[Catalog-sig] [Fwd: Re: PyPI down again...]

Chris Withers chris at simplistix.co.uk
Mon Jun 14 19:15:51 CEST 2010

More, again, please do not reply...

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Catalog-sig] PyPI down again...
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:33:51 -0700
From: Justin Ryan <justin.ryan at reliefgarden.org>
To: Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk>
CC: Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org>

And, for what it's worth, what set me off is Martin's attitude that
"Something Else" should be fixed.

He's clearly pissy because everyone wants to rewrite the thing in
Djangass, which is Stupid(tm), and I'll grant him that, but in
engineering, when your system is fragile, it is not a strong
reflection on oneself to say:

   "Yes, but if you turned the doorknob oh so gently, it wouldn't fall off."

We don't fucking need mirrors, we fucking need to stop counting
downloads.  Apt doesn't work that way.  Yum doesn't.  Microsoft and
Apple almost definitely do.

What kind of ridiculous software distribution mechanism requires
postgres for read-only operations.

This design would not be acceptable at Google, Mr. Rossum, I know that
because I've interviewed with those fucking narcissists so many times
I now tell recruiters anyone but Google.  The characteristics of
scaling PyPI currently is like scaling AdSense.

Planning on charging per download soon?

Anyway, you guys have lost the only person with time to dedicate to
this apparently.  Go buy Martin a "World's Greatest Dad" T-Shirt and
remind him that he's important because he, periodically, for a few
minutes at a time, does things that you would never, ever bother
yourself with.

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Justin Ryan
<justin.ryan at reliefgarden.org> wrote:
> Passion is better than the rampant apathy you show.  Frankly, Chris, I
> believe that you may represent the sort of half-cocked volunteer that
> turned Martin off to my offers of volunteering.
> And, Chris, I started by standing up for you, asking why a long
> standing member of this list showing concern over the constant system
> failure was not being answered, was being ignored.
> I'm not interested in being a part of any group or organization not
> trying to GET SHIT DONE.
> And that clearly includes the PSF.
> If it wasn't clear to the list, you guys can make it so, that was a
> farewell message from someone offering lots and lots of free time.
> Anyway, you guys are all going to the killfile, so don't bother responding.
> Also, grow a fucking sense of humor.  Boy was that one of my most
> polite fuck-yous ever.
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
>> Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Justin Ryan
>>> <justin.ryan at reliefgarden.org> wrote:
>>>> Thanks, Martin, for taking the conversation offline to be a real jerk. ;)
>>> (I won't quote more. Everyone who read it is still reeling from the
>>> sudden outburst.)
>> Sadly, it appears some people never change:
>> https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-web/2006-October/004226.html
>> https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-web/2006-October/date.html
>> cheers,
>> Chris
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