From amk at amk.ca Wed Mar 2 21:36:57 2011
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:36:57 -0500
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [pydotorg-www] Inappropriate link
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On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 07:27:41PM +0100, Malthe Borch wrote:
> On http://pypi.python.org, at the footer, there's a link to
> http://www.pollenation.net/ which redirects to
> http://www.tastecard.co.uk/.
It looks like pollenation.net has gone away and been domain-squatted.
www.python.org now links to http://www.timparkin.co.uk/, which is the
personal page of the designer.
--amk
From martin at v.loewis.de Wed Mar 2 22:56:18 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:56:18 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [pydotorg-www] Inappropriate link
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Am 02.03.2011 21:36, schrieb A.M. Kuchling:
> On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 07:27:41PM +0100, Malthe Borch wrote:
>> On http://pypi.python.org, at the footer, there's a link to
>> http://www.pollenation.net/ which redirects to
>> http://www.tastecard.co.uk/.
>
> It looks like pollenation.net has gone away and been domain-squatted.
> www.python.org now links to http://www.timparkin.co.uk/, which is the
> personal page of the designer.
Thanks for pointing this out; I have fixed it now.
Regards,
Martin
From monitor at jacobian.org Thu Mar 3 08:45:37 2011
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Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 01:45:37 -0600
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [monit] pypi.python.org - Connection succeeded
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From martin at v.loewis.de Sun Mar 6 22:43:20 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 22:43:20 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] pypi/packages/docs.python.org
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>> As for a big link: if you think your page should have one, you are free
>> to make it yourself already.
>
> Sure but,
>
> 1/ I have never asked for the "Downloads ?" link either, but the UI
> did add it, and it's really more ergonomic.
>
> 2/ I have never asked for "Latest Version: 0.6.14" on this page : hit
> ttp://pypi.python.org/pypi/distribute/0.6.9
[...]
> And I think a link to packages.python.org/distribute is at the same level
I can sympathize with that view. Cc'ing catalog-sig here:
if anybody would *not* want to have a "Documentation" link automatically
generated that points to packages.python.org/<project>, please speak up.
Regards,
Martin
From mal at egenix.com Sun Mar 6 23:18:14 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 23:18:14 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] pypi/packages/docs.python.org
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"Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
>>> As for a big link: if you think your page should have one, you are free
>>> to make it yourself already.
>>
>> Sure but,
>>
>> 1/ I have never asked for the "Downloads ?" link either, but the UI
>> did add it, and it's really more ergonomic.
>>
>> 2/ I have never asked for "Latest Version: 0.6.14" on this page : hit
>> ttp://pypi.python.org/pypi/distribute/0.6.9
> [...]
>> And I think a link to packages.python.org/distribute is at the same level
>
> I can sympathize with that view. Cc'ing catalog-sig here:
>
> if anybody would *not* want to have a "Documentation" link automatically
> generated that points to packages.python.org/<project>, please speak up.
That would only make sense if there's something uploaded to
the PyPI docs dir.
If PyPI can detect that, +1. Otherwise, I think it's better not
adding such an automatic link, since no link is better than one
going nowhere.
--
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From richard at python.org Mon Mar 7 00:31:12 2011
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:31:12 +1100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] pypi/packages/docs.python.org
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On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:18 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
>> if anybody would *not* want to have a "Documentation" link automatically
>> generated that points to packages.python.org/<project>, please speak up.
>
> That would only make sense if there's something uploaded to
> the PyPI docs dir.
>
> If PyPI can detect that, +1. Otherwise, I think it's better not
> adding such an automatic link, since no link is better than one
> going nowhere.
Absolutely - it only generates the link if there's something to link
to (that is, there's been a documentation upload with an index.html
file at the root, or in a top-level "html" directory).
Richard
From martin at v.loewis.de Mon Mar 7 00:47:03 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 00:47:03 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] pypi/packages/docs.python.org
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>> if anybody would *not* want to have a "Documentation" link automatically
>> generated that points to packages.python.org/<project>, please speak up.
>
> That would only make sense if there's something uploaded to
> the PyPI docs dir.
>
> If PyPI can detect that, +1.
Yes, the link would certainly be conditional.
Regards,
Martin
From mal at egenix.com Mon Mar 7 11:03:58 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:03:58 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] pypi/packages/docs.python.org
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"Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
>>> if anybody would *not* want to have a "Documentation" link automatically
>>> generated that points to packages.python.org/<project>, please speak up.
>>
>> That would only make sense if there's something uploaded to
>> the PyPI docs dir.
>>
>> If PyPI can detect that, +1.
>
> Yes, the link would certainly be conditional.
Great. Thanks.
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From sienkiew at stsci.edu Mon Mar 7 22:06:38 2011
From: sienkiew at stsci.edu (Mark Sienkiewicz)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:06:38 -0500
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] pypi/packages/docs.python.org
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Richard Jones wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:18 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>
>> "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
>>
>>> if anybody would *not* want to have a "Documentation" link automatically
>>> generated that points to packages.python.org/<project>, please speak up.
>>>
>> That would only make sense if there's something uploaded to
>> the PyPI docs dir.
>>
>> If PyPI can detect that, +1. Otherwise, I think it's better not
>> adding such an automatic link, since no link is better than one
>> going nowhere.
>>
>
> Absolutely - it only generates the link if there's something to link
> to (that is, there's been a documentation upload with an index.html
> file at the root, or in a top-level "html" directory).
>
I suggest:
- Generate a link if there is documentation
- Generate the text "No documentation" in the place where the link would
be if there is no documentation.
I have two reasons for suggesting this:
1. I'm thinking explicit is better than implicit here. The link for the
documentation should always be in the same place on the page, so having
a placeholder stating "there's nothing here" will make the page easier
to read. You don't wonder if you missed it, or if something is wrong
that the link disappeared -- it says right there what you want to know.
2. It might remind developers that it is possible to upload
documentation with their package. Currently, a lot of stuff on pypi has
poor or nonexistent documentation; the resource as a whole would be far
more valuable if every package had at least a minimal summary of what it
does and how to use it. (Even if someone has no need for your package,
you still help them if they can determine that _quickly_.)
From richard at python.org Mon Mar 7 23:52:56 2011
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 09:52:56 +1100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] pypi/packages/docs.python.org
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Mark Sienkiewicz <sienkiew at stsci.edu> wrote:
> I suggest:
>
> - Generate a link if there is documentation
Right, we do this already.
> - Generate the text "No documentation" in the place where the link would be
> if there is no documentation.
I don't like this. The documentation space on pypi is offered as a
space for projects that's convenient or where they otherwise wouldn't
be able to host their own documentation website. It's not something I
wish to force people to use (just like package upload isn't something
we force people to do), and stating "no documentation" would be a bit
of a lie in a bunch of cases. Even with additional clarifying wording
it's still a negative statement that I don't think we need to make.
Richard
From benji at benjiyork.com Tue Mar 8 00:09:24 2011
From: benji at benjiyork.com (Benji York)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 18:09:24 -0500
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] pypi/packages/docs.python.org
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On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Richard Jones <richard at python.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Mark Sienkiewicz <sienkiew at stsci.edu> wrote:
>> I suggest:
>>
>> - Generate a link if there is documentation
>
> Right, we do this already.
>
>
>> - Generate the text "No documentation" in the place where the link would be
>> if there is no documentation.
>
> I don't like this. The documentation space on pypi is offered as a
> space for projects that's convenient or where they otherwise wouldn't
> be able to host their own documentation website. It's not something I
> wish to force people to use (just like package upload isn't something
> we force people to do), and stating "no documentation" would be a bit
> of a lie in a bunch of cases. Even with additional clarifying wording
> it's still a negative statement that I don't think we need to make.
What about this:
1) have some sort of "disabled" link placeholder so the documentation
link is always there, but not an attractive nuisance leading to a
dead end when there are no docs available and
2) let project owners provide an alternative target for the link if they
host their documentation elsewhere.
--
Benji York
From monitor at jacobian.org Tue Mar 8 12:34:34 2011
From: monitor at jacobian.org (monitor at jacobian.org)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 05:34:34 -0600
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [monit] b.pypi.python.org - Connection failed
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From lothiraldan at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 11:21:37 2011
From: lothiraldan at gmail.com (Boris FELD)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:21:37 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Need informations about Pypi Testing
Infrastructure
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Hello everyone,
i'm student and i need some informations about the Google Summer Of
Code Project : Pypi Testing Infrastructure.?For?those?unfamiliar with
the?project, it consists in these 4 simple actions :
1 - get package from pypi.
2 - install the package.
3 - run package tests
4 - build a report.
In order to match with community's needs, we need some informations
about several subjects. For each subject, i've created a google
moderator serie.
1) General questions about packaging and project :
http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=62dc1
2) For each pypi package, we build a report with several indicators,
which indicators did you want to see on report ?
http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=5f6e4
3) In order to install the package and run tests, we need to list
external dependencies (like db, non easy-installable library, ...) :
http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=6237a
4) Finally, we need to choose a Continuous Integration Tool for the
project. We need some informations about which CI tools did you use
for your python project :?http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=62316
I've got an idea which require your approval, i've think if a message
was displayed on pypi website like this one : "Pypi need you ! We need
your help to improve a future tool" and explain what i've explain just
before.?Thus?we could have?maximum?contributions. Some of my contacts
said that this is a bad idea,?but I?wanted to?propose?the?idea.
Thanks for your contributions.
Cheers,
--
FELD Boris
From lothiraldan at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 23:10:10 2011
From: lothiraldan at gmail.com (FELD Boris)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:10:10 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Need informations about Pypi Testing Infrastructure
Message-ID: <E8AB679B58744B068712D9DDB0D7AE42@gmail.com>
Hello everyone,
i'm student and i need some informations about the Google Summer Of Code Project : Pypi Testing Infrastructure. For those unfamiliar with the project, it consists in these 4 simple actions :
1 - get package from pypi.
2 - install the package.
3 - run package tests
4 - build a report.
In order to match with community's needs, we need some informations about several subjects. For each subject, i've created a google moderator serie.
1) General questions about packaging and project : http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=62dc1
2) For each pypi package, we build a report with several indicators, which indicators did you want to see on report ? http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=5f6e4
3) In order to install the package and run tests, we need to list external dependencies (like db, non easy-installable library, ...) : http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=6237a
4) Finally, we need to choose a Continuous Integration Tool for the project. We need some informations about which CI tools did you use for your python project : http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=62316
I've got an idea which require your approval, i've think if a message was displayed on pypi website like this one : "Pypi need you ! We need your help to improve a future tool" and explain what i've explain just before. Thus we could have maximum contributions. Some of my contacts said that this is a bad idea, but I wanted to propose the idea.
Thanks for your contributions.
Cheers,
--
FELD Boris
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From: mitch at garnaat.com (Mitchell Garnaat)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:12:43 -0400
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Problem with my pypi account
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Hi -
I hope I'm sending this to the right place. If not, I apologize.
I have been having trouble with my pypi account. Recently, attempts to log
in to the web page failed and attempts to reset the password never generate
a reset message. Strangely, up until today I was still able to upload my
boto package to pypi using the "upload" option in distutils but that no
longer works either.
Could someone help me with this? Ideally, I'd just like to reset the
password and then be able to establish a new one. My username is "garnaat".
Thanks in advance,
Mitch
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From martin at v.loewis.de Wed Mar 16 19:19:15 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:19:15 -0400
Subject: [Catalog-sig] PyPI ssh access
Message-ID: <4D80FF23.8050702@v.loewis.de>
I wrote a distutils extension that makes distutils
use ssh for the upload and register commands; it's at
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pypissh
Please report issues you find with it in its bug tracker.
Regards,
Martin
From alexis at notmyidea.org Wed Mar 16 23:11:36 2011
From: alexis at notmyidea.org (=?windows-1252?Q?Alexis_M=E9taireau?=)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:11:36 +0000
Subject: [Catalog-sig] PyPI ssh access
In-Reply-To: <4D80FF23.8050702@v.loewis.de>
References: <4D80FF23.8050702@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <4D813598.1050904@notmyidea.org>
Le 16/03/2011 18:19, "Martin v. L?wis" a ?crit :
> I wrote a distutils extension that makes distutils
> use ssh for the upload and register commands; it's at
>
GREAT, thanks.
--
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From bdc at msu.edu Thu Mar 17 16:08:37 2011
From: bdc at msu.edu (Brian Connelly)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:08:37 -0400
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Classifier Request
Message-ID: <AANLkTimHo9K=5mMQwJrEjQL83CKO10OP7DU7hDSzmchS@mail.gmail.com>
Hi,
I'd like to request the following classifier for an artificial life
simulation package I'm going to submit. "Artificial Life" is a common
term in our field (see http://www.mitpressjournals.org/loi/artl, and
there are several other venues). It's definitely different from
artificial intelligence or any other classifier.
Topic :: Scientific/Engineering :: Artificial Life
Thanks!
Brian
From richard at python.org Thu Mar 17 23:59:08 2011
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 09:59:08 +1100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Classifier Request
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimHo9K=5mMQwJrEjQL83CKO10OP7DU7hDSzmchS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimHo9K=5mMQwJrEjQL83CKO10OP7DU7hDSzmchS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimOr6KPPdVjznE_9QL+upGto+XG8oSOALKzbmh-@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Brian Connelly <bdc at msu.edu> wrote:
> I'd like to request the following classifier for an artificial life
> simulation package I'm going to submit. ?"Artificial Life" is a common
> term in our field (see http://www.mitpressjournals.org/loi/artl, and
> there are several other venues). ?It's definitely different from
> artificial intelligence or any other classifier.
>
> Topic :: Scientific/Engineering :: Artificial Life
Added.
Richard
From tjreedy at udel.edu Fri Mar 18 00:57:07 2011
From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:57:07 -0400
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Classifier Request
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimHo9K=5mMQwJrEjQL83CKO10OP7DU7hDSzmchS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimHo9K=5mMQwJrEjQL83CKO10OP7DU7hDSzmchS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ilu74g$4ud$1@dough.gmane.org>
On 3/17/2011 11:08 AM, Brian Connelly wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to request the following classifier for an artificial life
> simulation package I'm going to submit. "Artificial Life" is a common
> term in our field (see http://www.mitpressjournals.org/loi/artl, and
> there are several other venues). It's definitely different from
> artificial intelligence or any other classifier.
>
> Topic :: Scientific/Engineering :: Artificial Life
(Slightly OT for this list.) My daughter is learning Python and is
interested in AL, so we will try to watch for this! Nice to see it added.
--
Terry Jan Reedy
From ziade.tarek at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 10:59:02 2011
From: ziade.tarek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tarek_Ziad=E9?=)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:59:02 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Thoughts on more detailed stats
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbqwd-z==f2SPrqwUE+=MiFy_zgVJYcge5AGpW@mail.gmail.com>
Hey,
I find the actual downloads hits to be quite artificial because there
are some build systems out there that are fetching releases all day
long for their work. There are local mirrors of course, but I am
pretty sure projects like zc.buildout are downloaded most of the times
by build scripts. And setuptools is downloaded mostly as a dependency
of other projects.
Those are valid stats of course, but I was wondering if we could
provide more details in why the package was downloaded. e.g. if we're
able to distinguish automated downloads from other downloads.
One way I was thinking of was to tell PyPI at download time if the
download was done as a dependency fetching or was a primary download
(manuall download or "pip install xxx')
Another way would be to ask Continuous Integration systems to use a
specific user agent marker.
In the UI we could then make the distinction in the download hits between:
1/ downloads by the end users to install the project
2/ downloads by build tools.
3/ "indirect" downloads as dependencies
This is still a bit vague in my head, but I think it would be valuable
for people to have such details
Cheers
Tarek
--
Tarek Ziad? | http://ziade.org
From jim at zope.com Tue Mar 22 11:33:27 2011
From: jim at zope.com (Jim Fulton)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:33:27 -0400
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Thoughts on more detailed stats
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikbqwd-z==f2SPrqwUE+=MiFy_zgVJYcge5AGpW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikbqwd-z==f2SPrqwUE+=MiFy_zgVJYcge5AGpW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=yDp34LhB_RNTZxyJHUEaP4OXZ=_fXk3hjPF2s@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Tarek Ziad? <ziade.tarek at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I find the actual downloads hits to be quite artificial because there
> are some build systems out there that are fetching releases all day
> long for their work. There are local mirrors of course,
Not just local mirrors, but source releases that include things, download
caches, etc...
> but I am
> pretty sure projects like zc.buildout are downloaded most of the times
> by build scripts. And setuptools is downloaded mostly as a dependency
> of other projects.
>
> Those are valid stats of course, but I was wondering if we could
> provide more details in why the package was downloaded. e.g. if we're
> able to distinguish automated downloads from other downloads.
>
> One way I was thinking of was to tell PyPI at download time if the
> download was done as a dependency fetching or was a primary download
> (manuall download or "pip install xxx')
I don't know why downloading something as part of a buildout would be any
different that doing a "pip install". I almost never download anything except
with buildout.
> Another way would be to ask Continuous Integration systems to use a
> specific user agent marker.
>
> In the UI we could then make the distinction in the download hits between:
>
> 1/ downloads by the end users to install the project
> 2/ downloads by build tools.
> 3/ "indirect" downloads as dependencies
>
> This is still a bit vague in my head, but I think it would be valuable
> for people to have such details
I think it would help to ask what the goals of the statistics are?
The statistics are presumably used to answer some questions. What are
those questions?
Jim
--
Jim Fulton
http://www.linkedin.com/in/jimfulton
From ziade.tarek at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 11:58:34 2011
From: ziade.tarek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tarek_Ziad=E9?=)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:58:34 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Thoughts on more detailed stats
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=yDp34LhB_RNTZxyJHUEaP4OXZ=_fXk3hjPF2s@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikbqwd-z==f2SPrqwUE+=MiFy_zgVJYcge5AGpW@mail.gmail.com>
<AANLkTi=yDp34LhB_RNTZxyJHUEaP4OXZ=_fXk3hjPF2s@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=VGnahOeptSC2cRjbD0PJ_1NyisJtQmkwWFW2E@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Jim Fulton <jim at zope.com> wrote:
...
>
> I don't know why downloading something as part of a buildout would be any
> different that doing a "pip install". ?I almost never download anything except
> with buildout.
Because when you are running a buildout to install a Plone, what you
are really doing is "installing Plone" -- downloading setuptools
within this process is just something the build tool does to work, and
does not necessarily means the final app uses it.
A fresh buildout call w/ the bootstrap script == one hit to
zc.buildout + one hit to setuptools
When you do an explicit "pip install XXX" you are installing XXX as an end-user.
>
>
>> Another way would be to ask Continuous Integration systems to use a
>> specific user agent marker.
>>
>> In the UI we could then make the distinction in the download hits between:
>>
>> 1/ downloads by the end users to install the project
>> 2/ downloads by build tools.
>> 3/ "indirect" downloads as dependencies
>>
>> This is still a bit vague in my head, but I think it would be valuable
>> for people to have such details
>
> I think it would help to ask what the goals of the statistics are?
> The statistics are presumably used to answer some questions. What are
> those questions?
A/ is my project that provides end users script but also modules that
can be reused by other apps, is:
1/ being installed by end users explicitly via easy_install, pip or a
direct distutils install
2/ just pulled as a dependency for another project
B/ does the 126543265423 download hits I get for my project were done
by automated build scripts or for installations ?
C/ how can we differentiate the "end users" projects in PyPI, as
opposed to build tools like zc.buildout or setuptools
D/ Which projects are the ones my project is mostly downloaded for as
a dependency ?
> Jim
>
> --
> Jim Fulton
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jimfulton
>
--
Tarek Ziad? | http://ziade.org
From thomas at thomas-lotze.de Wed Mar 23 07:22:59 2011
From: thomas at thomas-lotze.de (Thomas Lotze)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 07:22:59 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Thoughts on more detailed stats
References: <AANLkTikbqwd-z==f2SPrqwUE+=MiFy_zgVJYcge5AGpW@mail.gmail.com>
<AANLkTi=yDp34LhB_RNTZxyJHUEaP4OXZ=_fXk3hjPF2s@mail.gmail.com>
<AANLkTi=VGnahOeptSC2cRjbD0PJ_1NyisJtQmkwWFW2E@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <pan.2011.03.23.06.22.58.506676@ID-174572.user.uni-berlin.de>
Tarek Ziad? wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Jim Fulton <jim at zope.com> wrote: ...
>> I think it would help to ask what the goals of the statistics are? The
>> statistics are presumably used to answer some questions. What are those
>> questions?
>
> A/ is my project that provides end users script but also modules that can
> be reused by other apps, is:
>
> 1/ being installed by end users explicitly via easy_install, pip or a
> direct distutils install
> 2/ just pulled as a dependency for another project
[...]
These questions are already too technical for judging how the stats should
be computed. I think what consumers of the stats actually want to know and
what the stats therefore need to be able to answer in the end is more
along the lines of:
- Has my project ever been used by other people? Is it worth my time to
make a nice distribution of it?
- Is my project still being used? How many people get mad at me if I make
incompatible changes?
- How many hits does my project get compared with "the competition"?
What's my "market share"? Am I cool? ;o)
Not that I'd find that stuff overly interesting myself, but unless there's
a really good reason to add more details to the stats, I'd strongly prefer
the interaction with PyPI to remain as simple as possible.
--
Thomas
From chris at simplistix.co.uk Thu Mar 24 07:46:55 2011
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:46:55 +0000
Subject: [Catalog-sig] " A simple printer of nested lists"
Message-ID: <4D8AE8DF.2020000@simplistix.co.uk>
Hi,
Any chance we could put a block in place on packages that mention this
phrase?
Has anyone had any joy tracking down the author of the book that
resulted in this avalanche of junk? At the very least they could publish
an errata explaining their horrific mistake...
Chris
--
Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting
- http://www.simplistix.co.uk
From mal at egenix.com Thu Mar 24 09:51:15 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:51:15 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] " A simple printer of nested lists"
In-Reply-To: <4D8AE8DF.2020000@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <4D8AE8DF.2020000@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4D8B0603.4020305@egenix.com>
Chris Withers wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Any chance we could put a block in place on packages that mention this
> phrase?
>
> Has anyone had any joy tracking down the author of the book that
> resulted in this avalanche of junk? At the very least they could publish
> an errata explaining their horrific mistake...
I'm obviously missing some context here, but there are indeed
quite a few copies of seemingly the same module up PyPI:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=search&term=simple+printer+of+nested+lists
Is it possible that the book used the module to explain creating
distutils packages and uploading them to PyPI ?
--
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From chris at simplistix.co.uk Thu Mar 24 10:20:29 2011
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:20:29 +0000
Subject: [Catalog-sig] " A simple printer of nested lists"
In-Reply-To: <AAA0DAAF-9885-48E9-B8B7-66B586622349@mac.com>
References: <4D8AE8DF.2020000@simplistix.co.uk>
<AAA0DAAF-9885-48E9-B8B7-66B586622349@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D8B0CDD.7000500@simplistix.co.uk>
On 24/03/2011 08:58, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>
> On 24 Mar, 2011, at 7:46, Chris Withers wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Any chance we could put a block in place on packages that mention this phrase?
>>
>> Has anyone had any joy tracking down the author of the book that resulted in this avalanche of junk? At the very least they could publish an errata explaining their horrific mistake...
>
> It might be this one<http://my.safaribooksonline.com/book/programming/python/9781449397524/sharing-your-code-modules-of-functions/update_pypi_with_your_new_code#X2ludGVybmFsX0ZsYXNoUmVhZGVyP3htbGlkPTk3ODE0NDkzOTc1MjQvNjA=> (I'm not a safari subscriber and cannot see the entire page because of that, but this page did turn up in a google search for the phrase plus the word book.
Yup, I believe it's the one, and the publication date ties in with the
start of the problem.
Does anyone have contact details for Paul Barry?
cheers,
Chris
--
Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting
- http://www.simplistix.co.uk
From richard at python.org Thu Mar 24 10:25:37 2011
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:25:37 +1100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] " A simple printer of nested lists"
In-Reply-To: <4D8B0603.4020305@egenix.com>
References: <4D8AE8DF.2020000@simplistix.co.uk> <4D8B0603.4020305@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOR3t3rp_XzgDK=vkqqdQed2kUmTd_6+4QuhVX@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:51 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> Is it possible that the book used the module to explain creating
> distutils packages and uploading them to PyPI ?
That's exactly what it is, and I have a script I run sometimes to
delete the "simple printer of nested lists" packages.
Richard
From mal at egenix.com Thu Mar 24 10:36:19 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:36:19 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] " A simple printer of nested lists"
In-Reply-To: <4D8B0CDD.7000500@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <4D8AE8DF.2020000@simplistix.co.uk> <AAA0DAAF-9885-48E9-B8B7-66B586622349@mac.com>
<4D8B0CDD.7000500@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4D8B1093.4010800@egenix.com>
Chris Withers wrote:
> On 24/03/2011 08:58, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>>
>> On 24 Mar, 2011, at 7:46, Chris Withers wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Any chance we could put a block in place on packages that mention
>>> this phrase?
>>>
>>> Has anyone had any joy tracking down the author of the book that
>>> resulted in this avalanche of junk? At the very least they could
>>> publish an errata explaining their horrific mistake...
>>
>> It might be this
>> one<http://my.safaribooksonline.com/book/programming/python/9781449397524/sharing-your-code-modules-of-functions/update_pypi_with_your_new_code#X2ludGVybmFsX0ZsYXNoUmVhZGVyP3htbGlkPTk3ODE0NDkzOTc1MjQvNjA=>
>> (I'm not a safari subscriber and cannot see the entire page because of
>> that, but this page did turn up in a google search for the phrase plus
>> the word book.
>
> Yup, I believe it's the one, and the publication date ties in with the
> start of the problem.
>
> Does anyone have contact details for Paul Barry?
Google does... :-)
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/3677
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From lac at openend.se Thu Mar 24 10:56:19 2011
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:56:19 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] " A simple printer of nested lists"
In-Reply-To: Message from Chris Withers <chris@simplistix.co.uk>
of "Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:20:29 GMT." <4D8B0CDD.7000500@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <4D8AE8DF.2020000@simplistix.co.uk>
<AAA0DAAF-9885-48E9-B8B7-66B586622349@mac.com>
<4D8B0CDD.7000500@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <201103240956.p2O9uJ4Z002147@theraft.openend.se>
In a message of Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:20:29 GMT, Chris Withers writes:
>Yup, I believe it's the one, and the publication date ties in with the
>start of the problem.
>
>Does anyone have contact details for Paul Barry?
>
>cheers,
>
>Chris
Google does. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/3677
But I don't have a twitter account so I cannot go any further with this.
Laura
From ronaldoussoren at mac.com Thu Mar 24 09:58:48 2011
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:58:48 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] " A simple printer of nested lists"
In-Reply-To: <4D8AE8DF.2020000@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <4D8AE8DF.2020000@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AAA0DAAF-9885-48E9-B8B7-66B586622349@mac.com>
On 24 Mar, 2011, at 7:46, Chris Withers wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Any chance we could put a block in place on packages that mention this phrase?
>
> Has anyone had any joy tracking down the author of the book that resulted in this avalanche of junk? At the very least they could publish an errata explaining their horrific mistake...
It might be this one <http://my.safaribooksonline.com/book/programming/python/9781449397524/sharing-your-code-modules-of-functions/update_pypi_with_your_new_code#X2ludGVybmFsX0ZsYXNoUmVhZGVyP3htbGlkPTk3ODE0NDkzOTc1MjQvNjA=> (I'm not a safari subscriber and cannot see the entire page because of that, but this page did turn up in a google search for the phrase plus the word book.
Ronald
From richard at python.org Thu Mar 24 12:46:59 2011
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:46:59 +1100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] " A simple printer of nested lists"
In-Reply-To: <201103240956.p2O9uJ4Z002147@theraft.openend.se>
References: <4D8AE8DF.2020000@simplistix.co.uk>
<AAA0DAAF-9885-48E9-B8B7-66B586622349@mac.com>
<chris@simplistix.co.uk> <4D8B0CDD.7000500@simplistix.co.uk>
<201103240956.p2O9uJ4Z002147@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi==E2jbC9-X4O3mBEj+jC1bWA39uRCunhhTSjXU@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se> wrote:
> In a message of Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:20:29 GMT, Chris Withers writes:
>>Yup, I believe it's the one, and the publication date ties in with the
>>start of the problem.
>>
>>Does anyone have contact details for Paul Barry?
>>
>>cheers,
>>
>>Chris
>
> Google does. ?http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/3677
> But I don't have a twitter account so I cannot go any further with this.
I've previously contacted someone involved with this book - it may
have been Paul, I'm not sure. Searching historical Twitter is next to
useless. In any case the response was along the lines of them being OK
with all the packages being created. Something about there now being
more contributors to PyPI.
Richard
From renesd at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 12:57:25 2011
From: renesd at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Dudfield?=)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:57:25 +0000
Subject: [Catalog-sig] " A simple printer of nested lists"
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi==E2jbC9-X4O3mBEj+jC1bWA39uRCunhhTSjXU@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D8AE8DF.2020000@simplistix.co.uk>
<AAA0DAAF-9885-48E9-B8B7-66B586622349@mac.com>
<chris@simplistix.co.uk> <4D8B0CDD.7000500@simplistix.co.uk>
<201103240956.p2O9uJ4Z002147@theraft.openend.se>
<AANLkTi==E2jbC9-X4O3mBEj+jC1bWA39uRCunhhTSjXU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=B-+KOB3aZNLKj3J2L-VhuLxfoV11anVyqJaiV@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Richard Jones <richard at python.org> wrote:
>
> I've previously contacted someone involved with this book - it may
> have been Paul, I'm not sure. Searching historical Twitter is next to
> useless. In any case the response was along the lines of them being OK
> with all the packages being created. Something about there now being
> more contributors to PyPI.
>
Deffo. It's a win overall. Only a tiny fraction of python
programmers upload their software onto pypi currently.
Also it's good to have such healthy competition in the simple printing
of nested lists space.
From monitor at jacobian.org Thu Mar 24 22:40:18 2011
From: monitor at jacobian.org (monitor at jacobian.org)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:40:18 -0500
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [monit] pypi.python.org - Connection failed
Message-ID: <1301002824.1@jacobian.org>
Connection failed Service pypi.python.org
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:40:18 -0500
Action: alert
Host: jacobian.org
Description: failed protocol test [HTTP] at INET[pypi.python.org:80] via TCP
Your faithful employee,
monit
From tjreedy at udel.edu Fri Mar 25 01:43:15 2011
From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:43:15 -0400
Subject: [Catalog-sig] " A simple printer of nested lists"
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=B-+KOB3aZNLKj3J2L-VhuLxfoV11anVyqJaiV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D8AE8DF.2020000@simplistix.co.uk> <AAA0DAAF-9885-48E9-B8B7-66B586622349@mac.com> <chris@simplistix.co.uk>
<4D8B0CDD.7000500@simplistix.co.uk> <201103240956.p2O9uJ4Z002147@theraft.openend.se> <AANLkTi==E2jbC9-X4O3mBEj+jC1bWA39uRCunhhTSjXU@mail.gmail.com>
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On 3/24/2011 7:57 AM, Ren? Dudfield wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Richard Jones<richard at python.org> wrote:
>>
>> I've previously contacted someone involved with this book - it may
>> have been Paul, I'm not sure. Searching historical Twitter is next to
>> useless. In any case the response was along the lines of them being OK
>> with all the packages being created. Something about there now being
>> more contributors to PyPI.
There are 25 to delete at the moment ;-).
>
> Deffo. It's a win overall. Only a tiny fraction of python
> programmers upload their software onto pypi currently.
>
> Also it's good to have such healthy competition in the simple printing
> of nested lists space.
What to book apparently lacks is instructions and an exercise in
deleting a package. The first principle of operationing machines is
finding the off switch before flipping the on switch. I am reminded of
story of the Sorcerer's Apprentice.
--
Terry Jan Reedy
From richard at python.org Fri Mar 25 02:12:46 2011
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:12:46 +1100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] " A simple printer of nested lists"
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Terry Reedy <tjreedy at udel.edu> wrote:
> On 3/24/2011 7:57 AM, Ren? Dudfield wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Richard Jones<richard at python.org>
>> ?wrote:
>>>
>>> I've previously contacted someone involved with this book - it may
>>> have been Paul, I'm not sure. Searching historical Twitter is next to
>>> useless. In any case the response was along the lines of them being OK
>>> with all the packages being created. Something about there now being
>>> more contributors to PyPI.
>
> There are 25 to delete at the moment ;-).
I really don't see this as such a big deal.
There's 13875 packages in the index (as of my writing this email). 25
nested list printers are just not that important.
I'll run the script when I get around to it. I should modify it first
so it notifies the authors via email - it's a bit rude at the moment.
Richard
From renesd at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 16:54:03 2011
From: renesd at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Dudfield?=)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:54:03 +0000
Subject: [Catalog-sig] PyPI ssh access
In-Reply-To: <4D813598.1050904@notmyidea.org>
References: <4D80FF23.8050702@v.loewis.de>
<4D813598.1050904@notmyidea.org>
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Yes, very cool indeed.
On windows, plink is very commonly used instead of ssh. Some more
details about putty and plink...
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
http://rc.quest.com/topics/X_putty_openssh/
I'll report back on trying it with ubuntu when I get back to my ubuntu
machine with my key on it.
You'll might want to list the RSA key finger print of the server...
something like:
XX:XX:XX:XX:39:30:3e:99:9b:ee:XX:AA:22:22:22:22
Also you might want to gpg sign the pypissh package.
2011/3/16 Alexis M?taireau <alexis at notmyidea.org>:
> Le 16/03/2011 18:19, "Martin v. L?wis" a ?crit :
>> I wrote a distutils extension that makes distutils
>> use ssh for the upload and register commands; it's at
>>
> GREAT, thanks.
>
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From martin at v.loewis.de Fri Mar 25 20:44:25 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:44:25 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] PyPI ssh access
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinHEoLvr=NY_Yc32sDA3L1fJJ67VweBbEuUEAvq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D80FF23.8050702@v.loewis.de> <4D813598.1050904@notmyidea.org>
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Message-ID: <4D8CF099.2010202@v.loewis.de>
Am 25.03.2011 16:54, schrieb Ren? Dudfield:
> Yes, very cool indeed.
>
> On windows, plink is very commonly used instead of ssh. Some more
> details about putty and plink...
I know; I didn't have Windows available when I did this. In any case,
I'm considering to switch to paramiko. IIUC, this also supports pageant.
> You'll might want to list the RSA key finger print of the server...
> something like:
> XX:XX:XX:XX:39:30:3e:99:9b:ee:XX:AA:22:22:22:22
Good idea.
> Also you might want to gpg sign the pypissh package.
Will do.
Martin
From sdouche at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 07:48:55 2011
From: sdouche at gmail.com (Sebastien Douche)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 07:48:55 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Thoughts on more detailed stats
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=VGnahOeptSC2cRjbD0PJ_1NyisJtQmkwWFW2E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikbqwd-z==f2SPrqwUE+=MiFy_zgVJYcge5AGpW@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:58, Tarek Ziad? <ziade.tarek at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't know why downloading something as part of a buildout would be any
>> different that doing a "pip install". ?I almost never download anything except
>> with buildout.
>
> Because when you are running a buildout to install a Plone, what you
> are really doing is "installing Plone" -- downloading setuptools
> within this process is just something the build tool does to work, and
> does not necessarily means the final app uses it.
Hi Tarek,
from my point of view, this question is answered with categories:
- Plone is an application = downloaded for itself
- Python libs = dependency
- Buildout or setuptools = build tools
--
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Twitter: @sdouche (agile, lean, python, git, open source)
From techtonik at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 13:11:39 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:11:39 +0300
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [PATCH] Fix XHTML markup
Message-ID: <AANLkTikDQMY8nqPD-Y3pRhVmk3S8j9tGqPg7s9vsS6sk@mail.gmail.com>
Hey!
I've started the work to increase visibility of PyPI plumbing so that
more people can help.
Here is the first patch for fixing some PyPI errors.
Please, CC.
--
anatoly t.
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From alexis at notmyidea.org Sun Mar 27 15:45:18 2011
From: alexis at notmyidea.org (=?UTF-8?B?QWxleGlzIE3DqXRhaXJlYXU=?=)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:45:18 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Thoughts on more detailed stats
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References: <AANLkTikbqwd-z==f2SPrqwUE+=MiFy_zgVJYcge5AGpW@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTi=yDp34LhB_RNTZxyJHUEaP4OXZ=_fXk3hjPF2s@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTi=VGnahOeptSC2cRjbD0PJ_1NyisJtQmkwWFW2E@mail.gmail.com>
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On 23/03/2011 06:22, Thomas Lotze wrote:
> Tarek Ziad? wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Jim Fulton<jim at zope.com> wrote: ...
>>> I think it would help to ask what the goals of the statistics are? The
>>> statistics are presumably used to answer some questions. What are those
>>> questions?
Having a user agent defined in the clients connecting PyPI could also
allow to make statistics on the usage of such tools (xx% of all the
downloads on pypi.python.org are made by buildout, by the distutils2
index crawler, by pip etc.)
I'm +1 on having CI tools using specific HTTP headers in order to avoid
using those information as "user downloads". We can probably store this
information in a different place and display clearly what the number of
downloads for CI tools is on pypi.py.org
--
Alexis ? http://notmyidea.org
From fdrake at acm.org Sun Mar 27 17:01:40 2011
From: fdrake at acm.org (Fred Drake)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:01:40 -0400
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Thoughts on more detailed stats
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2011/3/27 Alexis M?taireau <alexis at notmyidea.org>:
> Having a user agent defined in the clients connecting PyPI could also allow
> to make statistics on the usage of such tools (xx% of all the downloads on
> pypi.python.org are made by buildout, by the distutils2 index crawler, by
> pip etc.)
I don't object to this, but I don't know that it tells you anything.
It is better than everything showing up as a module from the Python
standard library, which clearly doesn't tell us much.
> I'm +1 on having CI tools using specific HTTP headers in order to avoid
> using those information as "user downloads". We can probably store this
> information in a different place and display clearly what the number of
> downloads for CI tools is on pypi.py.org
I'd be surprised if many CI tools did a lot of downloading; the build
tools are typically responsible for that. I'd expect them to show up
a lot.
More importantly, I'm not sure what you mean by "user downloads". If
I cause my build tool to download a package from PyPI, whether once or
a thousand times, that still seems like a user download to me.
(zc.buildout, at least, supports an effective caching strategy, so I
doubt the package download numbers would change all that much.)
If I want to try out a package for some purpose, I'm going to add it
to the build of the project I expect it to be useful for; if it proves
insufficiently useful, I'll remove it.
My point is that if you don't include the downloads from zc.buildout,
or whatever tool someone is using, you're likely to miss them
completely, because what's *not* happening is a browser-based
download. I can't even remember the last time I've done that for
something available via PyPI; it's been many years.
? -Fred
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"A storm broke loose in my mind."? --Albert Einstein
From alexis at notmyidea.org Sun Mar 27 18:48:36 2011
From: alexis at notmyidea.org (=?windows-1252?Q?Alexis_M=E9taireau?=)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:48:36 +0100
Subject: [Catalog-sig] Thoughts on more detailed stats
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On 27/03/2011 16:01, Fred Drake wrote:
> I don't object to this, but I don't know that it tells you anything.
> It is better than everything showing up as a module from the Python
> standard library, which clearly doesn't tell us much.
Are you talking about the fact that the client code will be provided by
packaging.index ? If so, I guess we can think about a mechanism for 3rd
parties to define what the type of client originate the request.
> I'd be surprised if many CI tools did a lot of downloading; the build
> tools are typically responsible for that. I'd expect them to show up
> a lot.
True.
> More importantly, I'm not sure what you mean by "user downloads". If
> I cause my build tool to download a package from PyPI, whether once or
> a thousand times, that still seems like a user download to me.
> (zc.buildout, at least, supports an effective caching strategy, so I
> doubt the package download numbers would change all that much.)
I was thinking about the opposition between automated uses (build tools)
and casual uses (a deployment). But given it more thoughts, it seems to
be difficult to isolate one from the other (would appreciate any ideas
about that)
> If I want to try out a package for some purpose, I'm going to add it
> to the build of the project I expect it to be useful for; if it proves
> insufficiently useful, I'll remove it.
>
> My point is that if you don't include the downloads from zc.buildout,
> or whatever tool someone is using, you're likely to miss them
> completely, because what's *not* happening is a browser-based
> download. I can't even remember the last time I've done that for
> something available via PyPI; it's been many years.
That's true: browser-based downloads are a real minority of the use cases.
If we want to have a way to distinguish between "normal use", and
repeated use (which can "false" the statistics), we need the build tools
(or whatever does the download repeatedly) to declare themselves as
such, right ?
--
Alexis ? http://notmyidea.org
From martin at v.loewis.de Sun Mar 27 20:36:55 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:36:55 +0200
Subject: [Catalog-sig] [PATCH] Fix XHTML markup
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDQMY8nqPD-Y3pRhVmk3S8j9tGqPg7s9vsS6sk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikDQMY8nqPD-Y3pRhVmk3S8j9tGqPg7s9vsS6sk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D8F83C7.6020801@v.loewis.de>
> I've started the work to increase visibility of PyPI plumbing so that
> more people can help.
> Here is the first patch for fixing some PyPI errors.
Thanks, applied.
Regards,
Martin