[Catalog-sig] PyPI terms (was: Deprecate External Links)

[M.-A. Lemburg]

On 01.03.2013 12:30, Jesse Noller wrote:
> Marc Andre: I'm cc'ing Van: can you explain why the pypi terms are a bummer so we can see if there is actually an issue to be resolved or a matter of taste?
> 
> We need to protect the foundation while preserving author rights - but I don't want one user / subset dictating how we evolve the technology.

I think we should move this discussion to the python-legal-sig list:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-legal-sig

Let me know when you've subscribed and then we can hash things
out on that list. The catalog sig is not really the suitable
place for these discussions.

> Jesse 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:24 AM, "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 01.03.2013 10:02, Reinout van Rees wrote:
>>> On 28-02-13 21:08, holger krekel wrote:
>>>>> I have seen that position in this discussion ("I have to upload 120
>>>>>> files per release, so I won't do that", for instance).
>>>
>>>> haven't seen that.
>>>
>>> Marc-Andre Lemburg said this, which I took to mean 120 uploads per release:
>>>
>>> """
>>> However, taking our egenix-mx-base package as example, we have
>>> 120 distribution files for every single release. Uploading those
>>> to PyPI would not only take long, but also ...
>>> """
>>
>> Correct, with a total of over 100MB per release. However, the above
>> quote is slightly incorrect: I did not say "I won't do that", just
>> that there are issues with doing this:
>>
>> * It currently takes too long uploading that many files to
>>  PyPI. This causes a problem, since in order to start the upload,
>>  we have to register the release on PyPI, which tools will then
>>  immediately find. However, during the upload time, they won't
>>  necessarily find the right files to download and then fail.
>>
>>  The proposed pull mechanism (see
>>  http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyPI/DownloadMetaDataProposal)
>>  would work around this problem: tools would simply go to
>>  our servers in case they can't find the files on PyPI.
>>
>> * PyPI doesn't allow us to upload two egg files with the same
>>  name: we have to provide egg files for UCS2 Python builds and
>>  UCS4 Python builds, since easy_install/setuptools/pip don't
>>  differentiate between the two variants. This is the main
>>  reason why we're hosting our own PyPI-style indexes, one for
>>  UCS2 and the other for UCS4 builds:
>>  https://downloads.egenix.com/python/index/ucs2/
>>  https://downloads.egenix.com/python/index/ucs4/
>>
>> * I'm not sure whether we want to import our crypto packages
>>  to the US, so for a subset of the files, we'd probably
>>  continue to use our servers in Germany.
>>
>>  Again, with the above proposal, this shouldn't be a problem.
>>
>> * Ihe PyPI terms are a bummer for us, but this can be fixed,
>>  I guess.
>>
>> If we can resolve the issues, we'd have no problem having the
>> files mirrored on PyPI.
>>
>> -- 
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