[Catalog-sig] pre-PEP: transition to release-file hosting at pypi site

Donald Stufft donald at stufft.io
Tue Mar 12 19:17:55 CET 2013

On Mar 12, 2013, at 12:41 PM, "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

> On 12.03.2013 17:29, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:19 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>>> So let's do this carefully and find a good solution before
>>> jumping to conclusions.
>> Completely agreed; rushing is a bad idea.
>> But so is not starting. What I'm seeing — as a total outsider, a user
>> of these tools, not someone who creates them — is that a bunch of
>> people (Holger, Donald, Richard, the pip maintainers, etc.) have the
>> beginnings of a solution ready to go *right now*, and I want to
>> capture that energy and enthusiasm before it evaporates.
>> This isn't an academic situation; I've seen companies decline to adopt
>> Python over this exact security issue. I can't share details in
>> writing but ask me at PyCon and I can tell you some stories.
>> Externally-hosted packages are a security risk, full stop.
>> There's likely a even better solution involving strong cryptography
>> and such, but there's also an incremental improvement on the table
>> right now. Nobody's suggesting that we do this hastily or all at once,
>> but there *is* a proposal to get the process started right now. Why
>> shouldn't we get going while there's momentum?
> Sure; I'm just saying that we need to test drive the proposal
> before actually adopting it.

fwiw https://restricted.crate.io/ is the simple index minus any external url and has existed for over a year. I use it full time. and have others doing the same.

> I'm also trying to get some of the more radical unneeded changes
> reconsidered. We don't need to break things just because we can -
> let's leave that to our kids ;-)
> Holger has already addressed much of this in his V2 proposal
> and apart from the time frame and some details, it looks good.
> Meanwhile, I've been playing around with the earlier proposal
> I put forward:
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyPI/DownloadMetaDataProposal
> to secure external links and found several issues while
> implementing it. It's easy to draw up a design, but you
> only get down to the problems when actually trying to
> implement it.
> -- 
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