[CentralOH] CentralOH Digest, Vol 97, Issue 3

[Eric Floehr]

You had me at "genetic algorithms"...
On May 13, 2015 11:34 AM, "Raymond Chandler III" <
raymondchandleriii at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Pythonists and Rustaceans.
>
> This Friday, the 15th of May, Pillar and the Columbus Rust Society will be
> throwing a 1.0 launch party for Rust 1.0. I will be giving a talk on
> genetic algorithms with Rust and about my hard knocks while learning rust.
> You all are welcome to join us for this event. If you plan to attend please
> RSVP by emailing me at rchandler at pillartechnology.com.
>
> Cheers,
> Raymond Chandler III
>
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> >   1. Re: Python and Rust (Kurtis Mullins)
> >   2. Re: Python and Rust (Joe Shaw)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:11:23 -0400
> > From: Kurtis Mullins <kurtis.mullins at gmail.com>
> > To: "Mailing list for Central Ohio Python User Group (COhPy)"
> >       <centraloh at python.org>
> > Subject: Re: [CentralOH] Python and Rust
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> > Hey guys and girls,
> >
> > Polling for opinions here. I watched the Rust video from PyCon about a
> week
> > ago. I work with a handful of people who commonly attend (and some speak)
> > at PyCon. I also work with people who are big "Go" people.
> >
> > This was really the first time I've come across Rust. It had some cool
> > things going for it. I was also surprised to see it backed by Mozilla.
> >
> > What's the benefits of using Rust over Go? I feel like they were both
> sort
> > of created to solve the same problem. I'm not intending this to be a
> flame
> > war -- I am just genuinely curious how/why Rust is taking off so
> > successfully.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 2:54 PM, John Santiago <jdsantiagojr at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks. I have been looking into embedded programming and looks like
> Rust
> >> could possibly replace c/cpp.
> >> On May 10, 2015 2:51 PM, "Eric Floehr" <eric at intellovations.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> At the last monthly meeting, Raymond mentioned that The Columbus Rust
> >>> Society was planning a Rust 1.0 Release party May 15 at Pillar (though
> the
> >>> meetup says no location yet, so it might not be Pillar). The details
> are
> >>> here:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.meetup.com/columbus-rs/events/222044818/
> >>>
> >>> If you are interested in hooking your Python code to Rust code instead
> of
> >>> C, there was a talk at PyCon this year by Dan Callahan called "My
> Python is
> >>> a little Rust-y" that talked about how to call Rust functions from
> Python:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CwJ0MH-4MA
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Eric
> >>>
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> > Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 11:51:23 -0400
> > From: Joe Shaw <joe at joeshaw.org>
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> > Hi Kurtis,
> >
> > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Kurtis Mullins <
> kurtis.mullins at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey guys and girls,
> >>
> >> Polling for opinions here. I watched the Rust video from PyCon about a
> >> week ago. I work with a handful of people who commonly attend (and some
> >> speak) at PyCon. I also work with people who are big "Go" people.
> >>
> >> This was really the first time I've come across Rust. It had some cool
> >> things going for it. I was also surprised to see it backed by Mozilla.
> >>
> >> What's the benefits of using Rust over Go? I feel like they were both
> sort
> >> of created to solve the same problem. I'm not intending this to be a
> flame
> >> war -- I am just genuinely curious how/why Rust is taking off so
> >> successfully.
> >>
> >
> > I'm a big fan of both Rust and Go.  I think it's kind of unfortunate that
> > the world has sort of pitted them against each other, because they each
> > have their own strengths and weaknesses and don't, in my opinion, have a
> > lot of overlap in when you would choose one over the other.
> >
> > I would choose Rust over Go anywhere using C or C++ was essential:
> >
> >   - Low-level system programming (kernel, drivers, low-level libraries)
> >   - System libraries (think an OpenSSL replacement)
> >   - Any time a garbage collector or runtime is not suitable
> >   - Situations where memory safety is absolutely essential (again, a
> >   crypto library comes to mind)
> >
> > For most applications I personally would choose Go for most things
> > (especially today with the current level of maturity).  Depending on how
> > much you like the relative languages would influence that decision for
> you.
> >
> > Rust has a much stronger memory safety story.  Its ownership model is
> novel
> > and able to guarantee safety at compile time.  It's basically impossible
> to
> > write a Rust program that segfaults.  Moreover, due to its immutability
> > guarantees it's not really possible to end up with concurrency-caused
> data
> > races.  Go's is much more memory safe than C, but it still gives you the
> > ability to shoot yourself in the foot with data races.  Fortunately Go
> > comes with great tooling to detect these kinds of races and they're
> pretty
> > easy to avoid with some experience.
> >
> > While both Rust and Go can interop rather simply with existing C code,
> Rust
> > does so much faster than Go ever could.  This is largely because Go is a
> > garbage collected language, so data has to be copied when crossing the
> > barrier into C.  Rust seems to have a little more programmer boilerplate
> > for this, but fewer memory copies.
> >
> > Both Rust and Go have very good modern concurrency.  Go's is tightly
> > integrated with the language, which I think is a huge plus.  Rust has a
> few
> > different models that are provided by their standard library.  Rust's
> seems
> > to require more boilerplate to use than Go's.
> >
> > Go is a much, much, much simpler language.  In many ways you can think of
> > Go as analogous to Python or Ruby and Rust as analogous to C++.  This
> makes
> > Go a little less flexible in many ways -- its type system isn't as rich,
> > for instance -- but it takes vastly less time to begin programming in Go,
> > become productive with it, and understand other people's Go code.
> >
> > Go is a lot more mature at this point.  Go 1 was released in 2012, and
> > there have been 5 stable releases since then.  (Go is on a 6 month
> release
> > cycle.)  They have made backwards compatibility guarantees for the
> lifetime
> > of Go 1 and there are no plans for Go 2 at this point.  Rust only just
> > stopped making backward incompatible changes as part of their 1.0 beta a
> > few weeks ago.  There is much more good third-party Go code out there.
> >
> > I think Go's standard library is absolutely fantastic.  It is definitely
> a
> > "batteries included" standard library.  It is very common for Go programs
> > to be written using only code from the standard library.  There is a lot
> of
> > very good third-party code out there as well.  I don't have as much
> > experience with Rust's stdlib yet, but I get the feeling that it's not
> > quite as complete and easy to use as Go's.
> >
> > The Rust blog has been absolutely on fire lately, highlighting a few
> > features of the language that really illustrate its power:
> >
> >   - http://blog.rust-lang.org/2015/04/10/Fearless-Concurrency.html
> >   -
> >
> http://blog.rust-lang.org/2015/04/17/Enums-match-mutation-and-moves.html
> >   - http://blog.rust-lang.org/2015/04/24/Rust-Once-Run-Everywhere.html
> >   - http://blog.rust-lang.org/2015/05/11/traits.html
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 2:54 PM, John Santiago <jdsantiagojr at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks. I have been looking into embedded programming and looks like
> Rust
> >>> could possibly replace c/cpp.
> >>> On May 10, 2015 2:51 PM, "Eric Floehr" <eric at intellovations.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> At the last monthly meeting, Raymond mentioned that The Columbus Rust
> >>>> Society was planning a Rust 1.0 Release party May 15 at Pillar
> (though the
> >>>> meetup says no location yet, so it might not be Pillar). The details
> are
> >>>> here:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.meetup.com/columbus-rs/events/222044818/
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are interested in hooking your Python code to Rust code instead
> >>>> of C, there was a talk at PyCon this year by Dan Callahan called "My
> Python
> >>>> is a little Rust-y" that talked about how to call Rust functions from
> >>>> Python:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CwJ0MH-4MA
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Eric
> >>>>
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