From bray at sent.com Sun Jan 1 04:45:18 2006
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:45:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyContest Results 119 bytes
Message-ID: <84155301-AEB3-41E7-8357-2AE1801DB5EA@sent.com>
119 bytes, Andr? won. Ian, you were a close second. I see many other
names from ChiPy. Good job. My esthetically pleasing approach landed
me at 300 or something (blush). I simply refuse to put to much stuff
on one line. Besides, does anybody really need a keyboard without
labels? Anyhow, a *real* hacker's keys are already worn out :D
Anyway, that was fun. Happy new year.
From maney at two14.net Sun Jan 1 21:30:39 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:30:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyContest Results 119 bytes
In-Reply-To: <84155301-AEB3-41E7-8357-2AE1801DB5EA@sent.com>
References: <84155301-AEB3-41E7-8357-2AE1801DB5EA@sent.com>
Message-ID: <20060101203039.GA11374@furrr.two14.net>
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 09:45:18PM -0600, Brian Ray wrote:
> Anyhow, a *real* hacker's keys are already worn out :D
Nah, a real hacker's keyboard has double-injected keytops. The letter
wears out when the keytop wears through!
> Anyway, that was fun. Happy new year.
It was, wasn't it? I'm so ashamed that I never thought of the old
different primes poly-radix trick - and I was fiddling with the same
sort of reduction of the "template" string for a while (even after I'd
"decided" I wasn't going to do that anymore)! Arrrrgh!
--
We had a lot of booming cyberanarchy in the USA for 20 years, and
now we are looking at several years of stagnant feudal nothingness.
I would guess about maybe one Presidential administration worth of
nothing. -- Bruce Sterling
Sorry, Bruce, it's taking a little longer than that...
From ehs at pobox.com Tue Jan 3 23:08:29 2006
From: ehs at pobox.com (Ed Summers)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:08:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] web.py
Message-ID:
If you followed any of the debate [1,2] swirling around reddit's [3]
switch from lisp to python a few weeks ago you might be interested in
the python web framework they are using, which was released today:
http://webpy.org/
Just in case there was any doubt about the wealth of choices available
to the python web programmer!
//Ed
[1] http://www.findinglisp.com/blog/2005/12/reddit-and-lisp-psychosis.html
[2] http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rewritingreddit
[3] http://www.reddit.com
From pfein at pobox.com Wed Jan 4 06:33:59 2006
From: pfein at pobox.com (Peter Fein)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:33:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] web.py
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <43BB5E47.2080002@pobox.com>
Ed Summers wrote:
> If you followed any of the debate [1,2] swirling around reddit's [3]
> switch from lisp to python a few weeks ago you might be interested in
> the python web framework they are using, which was released today:
>
> http://webpy.org/
>
> Just in case there was any doubt about the wealth of choices available
> to the python web programmer!
Glanced at the tutorial. A flat tuple of (url, classname_with_regex,
url, classname_with_regex, ...) for url mapping? Ugh, no thank you. I
hate to judge code by it's cover (or whatever), but magic tuples are a
big red flag for me. Goodness, it's not even a *nested* magic tuple...
And I am strongly opposed to using common words for package names,
especially when you know it's going to be released and there are
competing projects out there.
And I don't like ORMs. (Hi Ian!) ;)
On another note, has anyone ever used PSE? http://nick.borko.org/pse/
From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Jan 4 06:43:08 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:43:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] web.py
In-Reply-To: <43BB5E47.2080002@pobox.com>
References:
<43BB5E47.2080002@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <43BB606C.8060002@colorstudy.com>
Peter Fein wrote:
>>If you followed any of the debate [1,2] swirling around reddit's [3]
>>switch from lisp to python a few weeks ago you might be interested in
>>the python web framework they are using, which was released today:
>>
>> http://webpy.org/
>>
>>Just in case there was any doubt about the wealth of choices available
>>to the python web programmer!
>
>
> Glanced at the tutorial. A flat tuple of (url, classname_with_regex,
> url, classname_with_regex, ...) for url mapping? Ugh, no thank you. I
> hate to judge code by it's cover (or whatever), but magic tuples are a
> big red flag for me. Goodness, it's not even a *nested* magic tuple...
>
> And I am strongly opposed to using common words for package names,
> especially when you know it's going to be released and there are
> competing projects out there.
>
> And I don't like ORMs. (Hi Ian!) ;)
>
> On another note, has anyone ever used PSE? http://nick.borko.org/pse/
I don't see WSGI on its features list. It's crap.
;)
Maybe only 1/2-;)
--
Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org
From fitz at red-bean.com Wed Jan 4 08:52:53 2006
From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:52:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] pycon 2006 earlybird registration
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <58997033-2ECD-4B78-885D-B3C7D4068322@red-bean.com>
On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Ed Summers wrote:
> I don't remember seeing this announced on here, but apologies if it
> was already:
>
> http://us.pycon.org/TX2006/Registration
>
> Just a few days left.
Early registration has been extended until January 15th. I just
registered today. Is anyone else from Chicago planning on attending?
-Fitz
From asl2 at pobox.com Wed Jan 4 13:28:27 2006
From: asl2 at pobox.com (Aaron Lav)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:28:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pycon 2006 earlybird registration
In-Reply-To: <58997033-2ECD-4B78-885D-B3C7D4068322@red-bean.com>
References:
<58997033-2ECD-4B78-885D-B3C7D4068322@red-bean.com>
Message-ID: <20060104122827.GA10979@panix.com>
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 01:52:53AM -0600, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Ed Summers wrote:
>
> > I don't remember seeing this announced on here, but apologies if it
> > was already:
> >
> > http://us.pycon.org/TX2006/Registration
> >
> > Just a few days left.
>
> Early registration has been extended until January 15th. I just
> registered today. Is anyone else from Chicago planning on attending?
I am.
Aaron (http://www.pobox.com/~asl2)
From mtobis at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 15:14:27 2006
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:14:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] web.py
In-Reply-To: <43BB606C.8060002@colorstudy.com>
References:
<43BB5E47.2080002@pobox.com> <43BB606C.8060002@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID:
Aargh.
mt
From maney at two14.net Wed Jan 4 15:42:11 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:42:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] web.py
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20060104144211.GA18023@furrr.two14.net>
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 04:08:29PM -0600, Ed Summers wrote:
> If you followed any of the debate [1,2] swirling around reddit's [3]
> switch from lisp to python a few weeks ago you might be interested in
I can't say I noticed either of them, but one or another of them led
me, perhaps several links later, to a nice essay about why languages
matter, and why many people won't agree with you about which are best.
(okay, that last is my take on something he might not describe that
way).
http://www.braithwaite-lee.com/weblog/2006/01/finding-signal-to-noise-ratio-in-never.html
--
C makes an art of confusing pointers with arrays and strings, which
leads to lotsa neat pointer tricks; APL mistakes everything for an array,
leading to neat one-liners; and Perl confuses everything period,
making each line a joyous adventure . -- Tim Peters
From david at graniteweb.com Wed Jan 4 21:39:41 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:39:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
Message-ID: <20060104203941.GA5690@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
It's that time again where we talk about the next meeting location. I
believe I can offer the Downers Grove office.
--
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
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From maney at two14.net Wed Jan 4 22:09:40 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:09:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20060104203941.GA5690@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
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On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 02:39:41PM -0600, David Rock wrote:
> It's that time again where we talk about the next meeting location. I
> believe I can offer the Downers Grove office.
I think we need to do something not too time-consuming in honor of the
recent contest that so stirred things up. Is there a nice big
whiteboard there, maybe?
--
That is the real business of communication - finding out stuff.
And it certainly can happen in reading too, but there is this difference:
in communication that's all that happens;
in reading it is the barest beginning. -- Richard Mitchell
From mtobis at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 22:10:43 2006
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:10:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] topics
Message-ID:
I think the seven-segment contest is a good topic for lightning talks
by participants. Maybe we could go in descending order of score (I'm
170 officially) with Martin and Ian going last?
I'm OK with meeting in Downer's especially if Martin can show up and
explain the winner's multiple radix trick to me. I am happy to offer
the Monadnock through most of the year; also I think I can swing
something at the downtown Loyola campus now.
Anyone for Module of the Month?
Anything else topical? Time for yet another Web frameworks showdown?
mt
From rich.424 at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 22:12:23 2006
From: rich.424 at gmail.com (Richard)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:12:23 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20060104210940.GB3142@furrr.two14.net>
References: <20060104203941.GA5690@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
<20060104210940.GB3142@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <43BC3A37.7020303@gmail.com>
Hi, are newbies allowed to attend these meetings?
Thanks
Richard
Martin Maney wrote:
>On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 02:39:41PM -0600, David Rock wrote:
>
>
>>It's that time again where we talk about the next meeting location. I
>>believe I can offer the Downers Grove office.
>>
>>
>
>I think we need to do something not too time-consuming in honor of the
>recent contest that so stirred things up. Is there a nice big
>whiteboard there, maybe?
>
>
>
From david at graniteweb.com Wed Jan 4 22:25:27 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:25:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] topics
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20060104212527.GA6015@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
* Michael Tobis [2006-01-04 15:10]:
>
> I'm OK with meeting in Downer's especially if Martin can show up and
> explain the winner's multiple radix trick to me. I am happy to offer
> the Monadnock through most of the year; also I think I can swing
> something at the downtown Loyola campus now.
>
> Anyone for Module of the Month?
I could do the datetime module. I don't recall that one being talked
about much yet, and it's saved my bacon a few times.
And yes, there is a BIG whiteboard.
--
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Jan 4 22:30:30 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:30:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] topics
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <43BC3E76.2030401@colorstudy.com>
Michael Tobis wrote:
> I think the seven-segment contest is a good topic for lightning talks
> by participants. Maybe we could go in descending order of score (I'm
> 170 officially) with Martin and Ian going last?
>
> I'm OK with meeting in Downer's especially if Martin can show up and
> explain the winner's multiple radix trick to me. I am happy to offer
> the Monadnock through most of the year; also I think I can swing
> something at the downtown Loyola campus now.
>
> Anyone for Module of the Month?
>
> Anything else topical? Time for yet another Web frameworks showdown?
Sounds like a plan to me. Downer's Grove it is. Might I suggest
someone present on a nice module, like, say, pickle? Or optparse? Or
xmlrpc? Or maybe a fairly small module like say, stan? Enum? A little
longer, like ElementTree? Or BeautifulSoup? Or Cheetah? Presentations
on personal projects of any size also always welcome.
--
Ian Bicking / ianb at colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org
From david at graniteweb.com Wed Jan 4 22:38:55 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:38:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] topics
In-Reply-To: <43BC3E76.2030401@colorstudy.com>
References:
<43BC3E76.2030401@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <20060104213855.GA6066@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
* Ian Bicking [2006-01-04 15:30]:
>
> Sounds like a plan to me. Downer's Grove it is. Might I suggest
> someone present on a nice module, like, say, pickle? Or optparse? Or
> xmlrpc? Or maybe a fairly small module like say, stan? Enum? A little
> longer, like ElementTree? Or BeautifulSoup? Or Cheetah? Presentations
> on personal projects of any size also always welcome.
Just so I'm not being a total tool about this, it will be on Jan 12,
right?
--
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Wed Jan 4 22:43:43 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:43:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] topics
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Michael Tobis wrote on 01/04/2006 03:10:43 PM:
> I'm OK with meeting in Downer's especially if Martin can show up and
> explain the winner's multiple radix trick to me. I am happy to offer
> the Monadnock through most of the year; also I think I can swing
> something at the downtown Loyola campus now.
I'd also like to offer ThoughtWorks' downtown Chicago office again. (Yet
again, pending my ability to show up!)
ThoughtWorks has been sponsoring the past few Chicago Ruby meetups... I'd
like to see TW get some Python love, too.
> Anyone for Module of the Month?
> Anything else topical? Time for yet another Web frameworks showdown?
I'd like to present VPython (aka vpython.org... aka "visual python"... aka
the "visual" module).
VPython is a very simple, but very cool 3d framework. I've been using it
to create and animate some electromechanical prototypes I've been scheming
to build these past few years. So I'll present the 3d framework, but the
meta-presentation is to show off my whiz-bang "3d machine" that only
exists in (3d) Python code now, but pending the right match up with some
Japanese keiretsu, will make me the next Steve Jobs.... or broke. :-)
I'd also like to start a new web meme lamenting the large number of
Python-based 3d frameworks. Commenting on too many web frameworks was so
2005.
-Jason
From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Jan 4 22:51:59 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:51:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] topics
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <43BC437F.4050209@colorstudy.com>
Jason R Huggins wrote:
> Michael Tobis wrote on 01/04/2006 03:10:43 PM:
>
>>I'm OK with meeting in Downer's especially if Martin can show up and
>>explain the winner's multiple radix trick to me. I am happy to offer
>>the Monadnock through most of the year; also I think I can swing
>>something at the downtown Loyola campus now.
>
>
> I'd also like to offer ThoughtWorks' downtown Chicago office again. (Yet
> again, pending my ability to show up!)
> ThoughtWorks has been sponsoring the past few Chicago Ruby meetups... I'd
> like to see TW get some Python love, too.
Can we plan for February? It would be nice to think ahead. And we
already have Brant doing Civ 4, right? We should ask for evaluation
copies for the group too.
>>Anyone for Module of the Month?
>>Anything else topical? Time for yet another Web frameworks showdown?
>
>
> I'd like to present VPython (aka vpython.org... aka "visual python"... aka
> the "visual" module).
> VPython is a very simple, but very cool 3d framework. I've been using it
> to create and animate some electromechanical prototypes I've been scheming
> to build these past few years. So I'll present the 3d framework, but the
> meta-presentation is to show off my whiz-bang "3d machine" that only
> exists in (3d) Python code now, but pending the right match up with some
> Japanese keiretsu, will make me the next Steve Jobs.... or broke. :-)
Cool, pictures are fun. Honestly the web can get a little boring
sometimes ;)
--
Ian Bicking / ianb at colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org
From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Jan 4 22:55:35 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:55:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <43BC3A37.7020303@gmail.com>
References: <20060104203941.GA5690@wdfs.graniteweb.com> <20060104210940.GB3142@furrr.two14.net>
<43BC3A37.7020303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43BC4457.8010807@colorstudy.com>
Richard wrote:
> Hi, are newbies allowed to attend these meetings?
Of course. I can't believe you would even ask such a question. Don't
you know anything?
That's exactly the sort of response we will try to avoid at the meeting
;) But yes, newbies are quite welcome.
--
Ian Bicking / ianb at colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org
From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 23:01:09 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:01:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] topics
In-Reply-To: <43BC437F.4050209@colorstudy.com>
References:
<43BC437F.4050209@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0601041401s17b1d882o50132d2c4342ad71@mail.gmail.com>
On 1/4/06, Ian Bicking wrote:
> already have Brant doing Civ 4, right? We should ask for evaluation
> copies for the group too.
Python meetings are so 2005...let's just get together and play Civ 4.
I will use buddhism and a bireme to defeat you.
Chris
From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 23:02:32 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:02:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <43BC4457.8010807@colorstudy.com>
References: <20060104203941.GA5690@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
<20060104210940.GB3142@furrr.two14.net> <43BC3A37.7020303@gmail.com>
<43BC4457.8010807@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0601041402m2587ce95ude48cad83147686f@mail.gmail.com>
On 1/4/06, Ian Bicking wrote:
> That's exactly the sort of response we will try to avoid at the meeting
> ;) But yes, newbies are quite welcome.
They have to sit at the kids table though.
I jest
Chris
From rich.424 at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 23:01:07 2006
From: rich.424 at gmail.com (Richard)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:01:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <43BC4457.8010807@colorstudy.com>
References: <20060104203941.GA5690@wdfs.graniteweb.com> <20060104210940.GB3142@furrr.two14.net> <43BC3A37.7020303@gmail.com>
<43BC4457.8010807@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <43BC45A3.5080606@gmail.com>
Thanks, and to answer your question, I dont much yet! But I am learning.
I am assuming that the location time etc will be on the list here?
I truly enjoy reading the list but I will admit I dont understand it all.
Richard :-)
Ian Bicking wrote:
>Richard wrote:
>
>
>>Hi, are newbies allowed to attend these meetings?
>>
>>
>
>Of course. I can't believe you would even ask such a question. Don't
>you know anything?
>
>
>That's exactly the sort of response we will try to avoid at the meeting
>;) But yes, newbies are quite welcome.
>
>
>
>
From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Jan 4 23:11:57 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:11:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] topics
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0601041401s17b1d882o50132d2c4342ad71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43BC437F.4050209@colorstudy.com>
<3096c19d0601041401s17b1d882o50132d2c4342ad71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43BC482D.2070401@colorstudy.com>
Chris McAvoy wrote:
> On 1/4/06, Ian Bicking wrote:
>
>>already have Brant doing Civ 4, right? We should ask for evaluation
>>copies for the group too.
>
>
> Python meetings are so 2005...let's just get together and play Civ 4.
> I will use buddhism and a bireme to defeat you.
I've been reading a book where a guru/hermit let loose a mighty brahma
force with his battle mantra. That's some sweet cross-cultural combat.
Definitely something worth an extension in Civ 4.
--
Ian Bicking / ianb at colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org
From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Wed Jan 4 23:24:40 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:24:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] topics
In-Reply-To: <43BC437F.4050209@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID:
> > I'd also like to offer ThoughtWorks' downtown Chicago office again.
(Yet
> > again, pending my ability to show up!)
> > ThoughtWorks has been sponsoring the past few Chicago Ruby meetups...
I'd
> > like to see TW get some Python love, too.
>
> Can we plan for February? It would be nice to think ahead. And we
> already have Brant doing Civ 4, right? We should ask for evaluation
> copies for the group too.
Yes, so please "pencil in" ThoughtWorks for February 9.
Civ 4?... puh-lease. How 'bout a coding challenge to create an AJAX-y
TurboGears or Django-based "partypoker" clone and beta test it at the
meeting? :-) A Ruby-on-Rails implementation (which of course, can be built
in 15 minutes) will be the "control" in our little scientific
"experiment".
-Jason
From tundra at tundraware.com Wed Jan 4 23:15:37 2006
From: tundra at tundraware.com (Tim Daneliuk)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:15:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <43BC45A3.5080606@gmail.com>
References: <20060104203941.GA5690@wdfs.graniteweb.com> <20060104210940.GB3142@furrr.two14.net> <43BC3A37.7020303@gmail.com> <43BC4457.8010807@colorstudy.com>
<43BC45A3.5080606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43BC4909.3050303@tundraware.com>
Richard wrote:
> Thanks, and to answer your question, I dont much yet! But I am learning.
> I am assuming that the location time etc will be on the list here?
>
> I truly enjoy reading the list but I will admit I dont understand it all.
>
> Richard :-)
No one understands it all - except for Bicking and McAvoy (and we
suspect they are faking it some of the time ;)
Trying-To-Recover-From-Both-Viral-AND-Bacterial-Infestation-ly,
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From maney at two14.net Thu Jan 5 01:13:02 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:13:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] topics
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20060105001302.GA9328@furrr.two14.net>
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 03:10:43PM -0600, Michael Tobis wrote:
> I think the seven-segment contest is a good topic for lightning talks
> by participants. Maybe we could go in descending order of score (I'm
> 170 officially) with Martin and Ian going last?
I'd been thinking about a slightly longer presentation (that I'd rather
kibbitz than put together, alas) that might sketch the trip from a
simple and obvious version (9 chars in three strings per digit, maybe
using a dict just to increase the eventual "compression ratio") to the
cleverly compacted winner. I like your idea better. It probably won't
be as cohesive, but it's be rather less work for any one person!
> I'm OK with meeting in Downer's especially if Martin can show up and
> explain the winner's multiple radix trick to me. I am happy to offer
I'll have to review it again. It's related to but different than the
precise trick I actually had in mind (anyone remember rad40?).
> Time for yet another Web frameworks showdown?
Surely we've had enough of those for a while - maybe the next one can
be a hoedown?!
--
...that obsessive conviction, so common among authors and composers,
that all similarities between their works and any others which appear
later must inevitably be ascribed to plagiarism. -- 2nd Circuit, 1945
From maney at two14.net Thu Jan 5 01:43:49 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:43:49 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] topics
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20060105004349.GA10831@furrr.two14.net>
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 03:43:43PM -0600, Jason R Huggins wrote:
> to build these past few years. So I'll present the 3d framework, but the
> meta-presentation is to show off my whiz-bang "3d machine" that only
Cool.
> exists in (3d) Python code now, but pending the right match up with some
> Japanese keiretsu, will make me the next Steve Jobs.... or broke. :-)
"Psst! Steve! Do you want to sell coloured MP3 players for the rest of
your life or do you want to change the world again?" Just something I
read on a blog.
> I'd also like to start a new web meme lamenting the large number of
> Python-based 3d frameworks. Commenting on too many web frameworks was so
> 2005.
Those Lisp guys are so going to get library envy! :-)
--
Some kinds of waste really are disgusting. SUVs, for example,
would arguably be gross even if they ran on a fuel which would
never run out and generated no pollution. SUVs are gross because
they're the solution to a gross problem. (How to make minivans
look more masculine.) -- Paul Graham
From maur33n at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 03:42:56 2006
From: maur33n at gmail.com (m black)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:42:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <43BC4909.3050303@tundraware.com>
References: <20060104203941.GA5690@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
<20060104210940.GB3142@furrr.two14.net> <43BC3A37.7020303@gmail.com>
<43BC4457.8010807@colorstudy.com> <43BC45A3.5080606@gmail.com>
<43BC4909.3050303@tundraware.com>
Message-ID: <369daaee0601041842k53a4be90ofc752e71ffce3071@mail.gmail.com>
Oh, I thought this was a Chicago user group. I see you are meeting in the
burbs. When next in the city?
Thanks!
Maureen
On 1/4/06, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>
> Richard wrote:
> > Thanks, and to answer your question, I dont much yet! But I am learning.
> > I am assuming that the location time etc will be on the list here?
> >
> > I truly enjoy reading the list but I will admit I dont understand it
> all.
> >
> > Richard :-)
>
> No one understands it all - except for Bicking and McAvoy (and we
> suspect they are faking it some of the time ;)
>
> Trying-To-Recover-From-Both-Viral-AND-Bacterial-Infestation-ly,
>
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From david at graniteweb.com Thu Jan 5 04:56:04 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:56:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <369daaee0601041842k53a4be90ofc752e71ffce3071@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060104203941.GA5690@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
<20060104210940.GB3142@furrr.two14.net>
<43BC3A37.7020303@gmail.com> <43BC4457.8010807@colorstudy.com>
<43BC45A3.5080606@gmail.com> <43BC4909.3050303@tundraware.com>
<369daaee0601041842k53a4be90ofc752e71ffce3071@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060105035604.GA7559@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
* m black [2006-01-04 20:42]:
> Oh, I thought this was a Chicago user group. I see you are meeting in the
> burbs. When next in the city?
Chicago is where it started, but we spread out a bit to cover more
ground/users. Most meetings are in the city. We are planning the next
one (Feb) to be downtown.
--
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
From tundra at tundraware.com Wed Jan 4 23:22:22 2006
From: tundra at tundraware.com (Tim Daneliuk)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:22:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Microsoft Ships First Python Beta
Message-ID: <43BC4A9E.40107@tundraware.com>
http://entmag.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=7116
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Tim Daneliuk tundra at tundraware.com
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
From chipy at holovaty.com Thu Jan 5 16:37:57 2006
From: chipy at holovaty.com (Adrian Holovaty)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:37:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] "Snakes and Rubies" audio/video available
Message-ID: <200601050937.57397.chipy@holovaty.com>
We've made available video and audio of the "Snakes and Rubies"
mini-conference from last month. Check it out, preferably via BitTorrent:
http://www.djangoproject.com/snakesandrubies/
Adrian
From stephen at theboulets.net Fri Jan 6 05:35:09 2006
From: stephen at theboulets.net (Stephen Boulet)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:35:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20060105035604.GA7559@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
References: <20060104203941.GA5690@wdfs.graniteweb.com> <20060104210940.GB3142@furrr.two14.net> <43BC3A37.7020303@gmail.com>
<43BC4457.8010807@colorstudy.com> <43BC45A3.5080606@gmail.com>
<43BC4909.3050303@tundraware.com> <369daaee0601041842k53a4be90ofc752e71ffce3071@mail.gmail.com>
<20060105035604.GA7559@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
Message-ID: <43BDF37D.9070904@theboulets.net>
David Rock wrote:
>* m black [2006-01-04 20:42]:
>
>
>>Oh, I thought this was a Chicago user group. I see you are meeting in the
>>burbs. When next in the city?
>>
>>
>
>Chicago is where it started, but we spread out a bit to cover more
>ground/users. Most meetings are in the city. We are planning the next
>one (Feb) to be downtown.
>
>
Are there a date, time, and an address for the meeting?
Before anyone smart responds, yes I know that there are, but what are
they? ;)
Thanks.
Stephen
From maney at two14.net Fri Jan 6 16:10:31 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:10:31 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <43BDF37D.9070904@theboulets.net>
References: <20060104203941.GA5690@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
<20060104210940.GB3142@furrr.two14.net>
<43BC3A37.7020303@gmail.com> <43BC4457.8010807@colorstudy.com>
<43BC45A3.5080606@gmail.com> <43BC4909.3050303@tundraware.com>
<369daaee0601041842k53a4be90ofc752e71ffce3071@mail.gmail.com>
<20060105035604.GA7559@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
<43BDF37D.9070904@theboulets.net>
Message-ID: <20060106151031.GA29983@furrr.two14.net>
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 10:35:09PM -0600, Stephen Boulet wrote:
> Are there a date, time, and an address for the meeting?
Yeah. I've updated the listing at chipy.org with what I think I know
about it. This is in the spirit of Aahz's Law (as is all wiki work at
bottom): some of it is probably wrong, and I know it's incomplete. So
fix it if you know better - please! :-)
--
I must say I find television very educational.
The minute somebody turns it on,
I go to the library and read a good book. -- Groucho Marx
From mtobis at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 16:58:31 2006
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:58:31 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20060106151031.GA29983@furrr.two14.net>
References: <20060104203941.GA5690@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
<20060104210940.GB3142@furrr.two14.net> <43BC3A37.7020303@gmail.com>
<43BC4457.8010807@colorstudy.com> <43BC45A3.5080606@gmail.com>
<43BC4909.3050303@tundraware.com>
<369daaee0601041842k53a4be90ofc752e71ffce3071@mail.gmail.com>
<20060105035604.GA7559@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
<43BDF37D.9070904@theboulets.net>
<20060106151031.GA29983@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID:
I improved the venue info and removed some cruft from the front page.
David, do we need to RSVP for security?
mt
On 1/6/06, Martin Maney wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 10:35:09PM -0600, Stephen Boulet wrote:
> > Are there a date, time, and an address for the meeting?
>
> Yeah. I've updated the listing at chipy.org with what I think I know
> about it. This is in the spirit of Aahz's Law (as is all wiki work at
> bottom): some of it is probably wrong, and I know it's incomplete. So
> fix it if you know better - please! :-)
>
> --
> I must say I find television very educational.
> The minute somebody turns it on,
> I go to the library and read a good book. -- Groucho Marx
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
From david at graniteweb.com Fri Jan 6 17:19:14 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:19:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To:
References: <20060104210940.GB3142@furrr.two14.net>
<43BC3A37.7020303@gmail.com> <43BC4457.8010807@colorstudy.com>
<43BC45A3.5080606@gmail.com> <43BC4909.3050303@tundraware.com>
<369daaee0601041842k53a4be90ofc752e71ffce3071@mail.gmail.com>
<20060105035604.GA7559@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
<43BDF37D.9070904@theboulets.net>
<20060106151031.GA29983@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <20060106161914.GA3328@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
* Michael Tobis [2006-01-06 09:58]:
> I improved the venue info and removed some cruft from the front page.
>
> David, do we need to RSVP for security?
I have further refined the location information. RSVP _will_ be
necessary for bldg security (although you have a 60% chance the guard
won't even be there). Send RSVP's to me (David) by Wednesday next week.
--
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 17:00:24 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:00:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy and ChiRB
Message-ID: <3096c19d0601090800h4982d600x554810af13519168@mail.gmail.com>
hehe.
So, if anyone here is on the Chicago Ruby list, they're discussing
their website name. I'm advocating chirb.org over chiruby.org, as
chirb sounds funny.
If I'm remembered for anything in this town, I'd like it to be as the
guy that advocated odd names for user groups.
chippy.
Chris
From david at graniteweb.com Mon Jan 9 19:44:01 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:44:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy and ChiRB
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0601090800h4982d600x554810af13519168@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0601090800h4982d600x554810af13519168@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060109184401.GA17202@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
* Chris McAvoy [2006-01-09 10:00]:
> hehe.
>
> So, if anyone here is on the Chicago Ruby list, they're discussing
> their website name. I'm advocating chirb.org over chiruby.org, as
> chirb sounds funny.
>
> If I'm remembered for anything in this town, I'd like it to be as the
> guy that advocated odd names for user groups.
cherub?
--
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
From bray at sent.com Mon Jan 9 20:06:13 2006
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:06:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy and ChiRB
In-Reply-To: <20060109184401.GA17202@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
References: <3096c19d0601090800h4982d600x554810af13519168@mail.gmail.com>
<20060109184401.GA17202@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
Message-ID: <5AAEF7E1-4D2A-4452-BCB3-5E52D99D8AF3@sent.com>
Why don't they just call it "Chipy" and take all the credit for a
great name?
From tcp at uchicago.edu Mon Jan 9 23:39:14 2006
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:39:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] pycon 2006 earlybird registration
In-Reply-To: <58997033-2ECD-4B78-885D-B3C7D4068322@red-bean.com>
References:
<58997033-2ECD-4B78-885D-B3C7D4068322@red-bean.com>
Message-ID:
On Jan 4, 2006, at 1:52 AM, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Early registration has been extended until January 15th. I just
> registered today. Is anyone else from Chicago planning on attending?
>
> -Fitz
A group of four of us from the Research Computing Group at the UofC
are headed south as well, FWIW. One of these days we might make it
to a local meeting as well. =)
--
Ted Pollari
Research Programmer
Department of Health Studies
The University of Chicago
tcp at uchicago.edu
From ianb at colorstudy.com Tue Jan 10 01:07:15 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:07:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Contract work...
Message-ID: <43C2FAB3.7020506@colorstudy.com>
We at Imaginary Landscape (http://imagescape.com) are looking for Python
contractors, and hoping to find local people. Some daytime availability
is preferred. Responsiveness is very important and highly valued.
Obviously Python experience. Webware/SQLObject/Paste/Zope Page Template
experience a plus. Things are pretty active, so I think we will have
pretty regular work. I don't know that we're looking to hire at the
moment, but who knows? If you can't do contracting but you could do
employment, send your resume my way. If a couple months from now your
situation changes and you're looking for something, send your resume my
way then, maybe there will be something at that point.
Imaginary Landscape is a small web development shop located on the
Northside of Chicago. Almost all of our in-house development is in
Python. Feel free to ask me any questions you might have, and I plan to
also be at the next meeting.
--
Ian Bicking / ianb at colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org
From mama1 at gmx.de Tue Jan 10 17:58:20 2006
From: mama1 at gmx.de (Markus Mayerhofer)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:58:20 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
References: <20060106161914.GA3328@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
Message-ID: <9508.1136912300@www65.gmx.net>
Hi guys,
I'm back and want to attend our meetings again.
Is anyone offering a ride from downtown to Downers Groove? Or how to get
there by public transportation?
Thanks for help.
Best,
Markus
From mtobis at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 18:10:25 2006
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:10:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <9508.1136912300@www65.gmx.net>
References: <20060106161914.GA3328@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
<9508.1136912300@www65.gmx.net>
Message-ID:
Welcome back, Markus! I can offer you a ride from downtown or Hyde
Park. Please contact me directly: mtobis at gmail.com .
Michael
On 1/10/06, Markus Mayerhofer wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I'm back and want to attend our meetings again.
> Is anyone offering a ride from downtown to Downers Groove? Or how to get
> there by public transportation?
>
> Thanks for help.
> Best,
> Markus
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
From david at graniteweb.com Tue Jan 10 22:47:26 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:47:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting
In-Reply-To: <9508.1136912300@www65.gmx.net>
References: <20060106161914.GA3328@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
<9508.1136912300@www65.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20060110214726.GA31048@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
* Markus Mayerhofer [2006-01-10 17:58]:
> Hi guys,
> I'm back and want to attend our meetings again.
> Is anyone offering a ride from downtown to Downers Groove? Or how to get
> there by public transportation?
Public trans is not recommended. You can do the BNSF to Belmont and it's
about a 2 mile walk North from there if you REALLY want to do it. I
could shuttle a couple people from the station if that's the only way
you have to get there.
--
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
From david at graniteweb.com Wed Jan 11 02:55:12 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:55:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting Reminder
Message-ID: <20060111015512.GA32063@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
Just a reminder, please send me an RSVP for a list of who's coming
Thursday. It's mostly a formality, they aren't very strict about it
most of the time, but it's better safe than sorry.
I'm still waiting for a response from facilities about the lite-pro, so
mt, you may want to bring yours just in case.
--
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
From dave-bu at graniteweb.com Wed Jan 11 18:14:12 2006
From: dave-bu at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:14:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] projector
Message-ID: <20060111171412.GB22326@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
I verified I was able to arrange a lite-pro for Thursday.
Yippie!
--
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
From maney at two14.net Wed Jan 11 19:03:40 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:03:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] projector
In-Reply-To: <20060111171412.GB22326@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
References: <20060111171412.GB22326@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
Message-ID: <20060111180340.GA12145@furrr.two14.net>
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:14:12AM -0600, David Rock wrote:
> I verified I was able to arrange a lite-pro for Thursday.
Did they want you to sign for it in blood again?
--
In terms of utility rather than dollars, I can spend "nothing"
(which to a first approximation is the value of a dollar out of my
weekly budget) to get a non-zero chance of completely changing my
life. Or, in yet other terms, I can just wait for them to send me
the check by mistake, which can't be *that* much less likely than
actually winning [the lottery]. -- David Dyer-Bennet
From david at graniteweb.com Wed Jan 11 19:34:23 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:34:23 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] projector
In-Reply-To: <20060111180340.GA12145@furrr.two14.net>
References: <20060111171412.GB22326@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
<20060111180340.GA12145@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <20060111183423.GA24200@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
* Martin Maney [2006-01-11 12:03]:
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:14:12AM -0600, David Rock wrote:
> > I verified I was able to arrange a lite-pro for Thursday.
>
> Did they want you to sign for it in blood again?
Nah, I just had to promise my first-born son this time.
--
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Jan 12 08:39:20 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:39:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] North siders?
Message-ID: <43C607A8.4050303@colorstudy.com>
Anyone on the North Side going to the meeting tomorrow (um, today)? I
can drive, but my car is fragile and I hate to stress her this way. If
there isn't anyone, then heck, I suppose I can offer someone a ride too.
--
Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org
From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 13:39:06 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:39:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] North siders?
In-Reply-To: <43C607A8.4050303@colorstudy.com>
References: <43C607A8.4050303@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0601120439t5e6627a6id45ed32f2d9359b1@mail.gmail.com>
On 1/12/06, Ian Bicking wrote:
> Anyone on the North Side going to the meeting tomorrow (um, today)?
I thought I was coming out for the meeting tonight, but now I can't.
I am, however, on the North Side.
Go Cubs.
Chris
From PRobare at chx.com Thu Jan 12 16:05:13 2006
From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:05:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] North siders?
Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB64B@MX3.chx.com>
I live on the north side, Andersonville actually, but I work downtown.
If you want to
Take the El down I would give you a ride out and get you home after. I
could probably
Add a second rider if there is one out there (who has already registered
for the
Security check)
Reply to probare at chx.com if you want to set something up.
Phil
> Anyone on the North Side going to the meeting tomorrow (um, today)? I
can drive, but > > my car is fragile and I hate to stress her this way.
If there isn't anyone, then heck, > I suppose I can offer someone a ride
too.
>
> Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org
From dbt at meat.net Thu Jan 12 22:17:21 2006
From: dbt at meat.net (David Terrell)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:17:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] North siders?
In-Reply-To: <43C607A8.4050303@colorstudy.com>
References: <43C607A8.4050303@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <20060112211721.GF4822@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org>
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 01:39:20AM -0600, Ian Bicking wrote:
> Anyone on the North Side going to the meeting tomorrow (um, today)? I
> can drive, but my car is fragile and I hate to stress her this way. If
> there isn't anyone, then heck, I suppose I can offer someone a ride too.
I'm on the north side but not trekking out tonight -- hopefully I can
make it next month.
From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Fri Jan 13 19:55:46 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:55:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting Recap.
In-Reply-To: <20060111015512.GA32063@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
Message-ID:
Thanks for hosting the meeting last night, David. Since, Chris McAvoy
wasn't there to do his customary blog post summary of the event, I'll take
a go at it....
My short summary:
* I presented my little 3d machine prototype vis-a-vis the VPython 3d
library. I think the most interesting comment was that my design was
"beautiful lunacy". Everyone agreed I was wise to keep my day job while I
find a market for my little contraption. :-) I'll now start the process
of blogging about my idea and gathering help from anyone in web-land who
can help me build it. For those not in attendance, my idea is basically a
motorized, programmable version of this:
http://www.officeplayground.com/pinart.html
* David Rock presented the datetime python module. It raised some comments
about missing convenience functions, whether leap seconds are supported or
not (I think they are, but don't rely on it too heavily without checking
it out further), and the usefulness(uselessness?) of the tzinfo class.
* Michael Tobis attempted to explain the winning, losing, and cheating
solutions to pycontest.net. Brains were broken in the process. For the
record, #5 (Ian) and #196 (Michael) were in attendance. (There were a few
others who competed, too, but I can't remember the names.)
* One of David's co-workers (name?) at Acxiom posed a Python development
problem he had with asynchronously communicating between several hundred
computers on his LAN. Various suggestions were offered, some of which may
even turn out to be helpful. I wonder if his problem could ever be a
future pycontest challenge? I don't know how one would unit test the
winning entry.
Anyone care to correct my facts before I blog this?
-Jason
From PRobare at chx.com Fri Jan 13 20:26:00 2006
From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:26:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting Recap.
Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB64F@MX3.chx.com>
Add links to Vpython site and the Pycontest site when you post.
Good writeup.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Jason R Huggins
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:56 PM
To: David Rock
Cc: chicago at python.org
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting Recap.
Thanks for hosting the meeting last night, David. Since, Chris McAvoy
wasn't there to do his customary blog post summary of the event, I'll
take a go at it....
My short summary:
* I presented my little 3d machine prototype vis-a-vis the VPython 3d
library. I think the most interesting comment was that my design was
"beautiful lunacy". Everyone agreed I was wise to keep my day job while
I find a market for my little contraption. :-) I'll now start the
process of blogging about my idea and gathering help from anyone in
web-land who can help me build it. For those not in attendance, my idea
is basically a motorized, programmable version of this:
http://www.officeplayground.com/pinart.html
* David Rock presented the datetime python module. It raised some
comments about missing convenience functions, whether leap seconds are
supported or not (I think they are, but don't rely on it too heavily
without checking it out further), and the usefulness(uselessness?) of
the tzinfo class.
* Michael Tobis attempted to explain the winning, losing, and cheating
solutions to pycontest.net. Brains were broken in the process. For the
record, #5 (Ian) and #196 (Michael) were in attendance. (There were a
few others who competed, too, but I can't remember the names.)
* One of David's co-workers (name?) at Acxiom posed a Python development
problem he had with asynchronously communicating between several hundred
computers on his LAN. Various suggestions were offered, some of which
may even turn out to be helpful. I wonder if his problem could ever be a
future pycontest challenge? I don't know how one would unit test the
winning entry.
Anyone care to correct my facts before I blog this?
-Jason
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From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Fri Jan 13 20:32:08 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:32:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting Recap.
In-Reply-To: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB64F@MX3.chx.com>
Message-ID:
> Add links to Vpython site and the Pycontest site when you post.
Sure, will do.
Any help on the missing names? David's co-worker? Other PyContest
competitors who were there?
-Jason
Phil wrote on 01/13/2006 01:26:00 PM:
From david at graniteweb.com Sat Jan 14 06:22:54 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:22:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting Recap.
In-Reply-To:
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB64F@MX3.chx.com>
Message-ID: <20060114052254.GB7427@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
* Jason R Huggins [2006-01-13 13:32]:
> > Add links to Vpython site and the Pycontest site when you post.
> Sure, will do.
>
> Any help on the missing names? David's co-worker? Other PyContest
> competitors who were there?
The mystery attendee was Pete Rupp :-)
--
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
From maney at two14.net Sat Jan 14 21:53:51 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:53:51 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January Meeting Recap.
In-Reply-To:
References: <20060111015512.GA32063@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
Message-ID: <20060114205351.GA29825@furrr.two14.net>
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:55:46PM -0600, Jason R Huggins wrote:
> * Michael Tobis attempted to explain the winning, losing, and cheating
> solutions to pycontest.net. Brains were broken in the process. For the
BTW, I found what may be a piece of someone's brain in my jacket pocket
afterwards. If you're missing a sliver, let me know. Messy work,
breaking brains...
> record, #5 (Ian) and #196 (Michael) were in attendance. (There were a few
> others who competed, too, but I can't remember the names.)
The version I submitted came it at #98. I didn't talk about it too
much since there wasn't much left to add after having gone over
Michael's fairly readable verison and Ian's scrunched-up one. I did get
an opportunity to mention the Chinese Remainder theorm while
"explaining" where the magic numbers in the winning entry came from.
(although as Andre described it, he actually found the values by a
simple brute force search, and so felt lucky that they all existed).
--
Microsoft, which used to say all the time that the software business
was ruthlessly competitive, is now matched against a competitor whose
model of production and distribution is so much better that Microsoft
stands no chance of prevailing in the long run. They're simply trying
to scare people out of dealing with a competitor they can't buy,
can't intimidate and can't stop. -- Eben Moglen
From ianb at colorstudy.com Sat Jan 14 22:33:38 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:33:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] datetime
Message-ID: <43C96E32.7000602@colorstudy.com>
After our bitch session about datetime, I came upon this:
http://labix.org/python-dateutil
Seems to do most of what mxDateTime does. And then some (like
recurance). Even has a gettz() function.
--
Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org
From pfein at pobox.com Sun Jan 15 01:10:12 2006
From: pfein at pobox.com (Peter Fein)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:10:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] datetime
In-Reply-To: <43C96E32.7000602@colorstudy.com>
References: <43C96E32.7000602@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <43C992E4.9060309@pobox.com>
Ian Bicking wrote:
> After our bitch session about datetime, I came upon this:
> http://labix.org/python-dateutil
>
> Seems to do most of what mxDateTime does. And then some (like
> recurance). Even has a gettz() function.
I use that pretty heavily in my apps. The date parsing just works,
which is awesome. The interval functionality is neat too.
I've got an ebuild if anybody wants it...
From ianb at colorstudy.com Sun Jan 15 01:14:19 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:14:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] datetime
In-Reply-To: <43C992E4.9060309@pobox.com>
References: <43C96E32.7000602@colorstudy.com> <43C992E4.9060309@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <43C993DB.7040807@colorstudy.com>
Peter Fein wrote:
> I've got an ebuild if anybody wants it...
"easy_install python-dateutil" also works cleanly.
--
Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org
From bray at sent.com Sun Jan 15 01:38:46 2006
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:38:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] datetime
In-Reply-To: <43C993DB.7040807@colorstudy.com>
References: <43C96E32.7000602@colorstudy.com> <43C992E4.9060309@pobox.com>
<43C993DB.7040807@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID:
On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
>> I've got an ebuild if anybody wants it...
>>
>
> "easy_install python-dateutil" also works cleanly.
I see why people get annoyed with Pythons or even mxDateTime date
time handling.
Why can't a nice date time module (like this one) be added to
Python's Standard library? And this is probably the only good point I
heard from the other language crowds when analyzing Python.
Something like dateutil.parser is nice, too.
btw, the reason I missed the meeting was because I lost track of
time... and it's Python's fault.
-- Brian
From jdhunter at ace.bsd.uchicago.edu Sun Jan 15 01:10:01 2006
From: jdhunter at ace.bsd.uchicago.edu (John Hunter)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:10:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] datetime
In-Reply-To: <43C993DB.7040807@colorstudy.com> (Ian Bicking's message of
"Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:14:19 -0600")
References: <43C96E32.7000602@colorstudy.com> <43C992E4.9060309@pobox.com>
<43C993DB.7040807@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <87y81ipd0m.fsf@peds-pc311.bsd.uchicago.edu>
>>>>> "Ian" == Ian Bicking writes:
Ian> Peter Fein wrote:
>> I've got an ebuild if anybody wants it...
Ian> "easy_install python-dateutil" also works cleanly.
matplotlib installs dateutl by default, and uses it for all of it's
date tick locating (pytz too). A very nice package. You can use it,
for example, to say, place ticks on every 5th easter. Not that you
would want to, but dateutil can do it.
So if you have matplotlib, you have dateutil and pytz already...
JDH
From thiruvathukal at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 06:11:43 2006
From: thiruvathukal at gmail.com (George K. Thiruvathukal)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:11:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] datetime
In-Reply-To: <87y81ipd0m.fsf@peds-pc311.bsd.uchicago.edu>
References: <43C96E32.7000602@colorstudy.com> <43C992E4.9060309@pobox.com>
<43C993DB.7040807@colorstudy.com>
<87y81ipd0m.fsf@peds-pc311.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID:
On 1/14/06, John Hunter wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Ian" == Ian Bicking writes:
>
> Ian> Peter Fein wrote:
> >> I've got an ebuild if anybody wants it...
>
> Ian> "easy_install python-dateutil" also works cleanly.
>
> matplotlib installs dateutl by default, and uses it for all of it's
> date tick locating (pytz too). A very nice package. You can use it,
> for example, to say, place ticks on every 5th easter. Not that you
> would want to, but dateutil can do it.
>
> So if you have matplotlib, you have dateutil and pytz already...
>
> JDH
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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--
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Associate Professor and Graduate Program Director
Loyola University Chicago
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From thiruvathukal at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 06:11:33 2006
From: thiruvathukal at gmail.com (George K. Thiruvathukal)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:11:33 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] datetime
In-Reply-To:
References: <43C96E32.7000602@colorstudy.com> <43C992E4.9060309@pobox.com>
<43C993DB.7040807@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID:
All:
I, too, have found the Python and mxDateTime to be a bit unwieldy. This is
one area that I always thought was done very nicely in Java. Perhaps we
should clone this design for Python.
Now if we can just get Java to include support for operator overloading,
we'd be all set. :-) But I think the design is worth examining in greater
detail (http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/util/Date.html).
George
On 1/14/06, Brian Ray wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
>
> >> I've got an ebuild if anybody wants it...
> >>
> >
> > "easy_install python-dateutil" also works cleanly.
>
>
> I see why people get annoyed with Pythons or even mxDateTime date
> time handling.
>
> Why can't a nice date time module (like this one) be added to
> Python's Standard library? And this is probably the only good point I
> heard from the other language crowds when analyzing Python.
>
> Something like dateutil.parser is nice, too.
>
> btw, the reason I missed the meeting was because I lost track of
> time... and it's Python's fault.
>
> -- Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From skip at pobox.com Sun Jan 15 16:49:43 2006
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:49:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] datetime
In-Reply-To:
References: <43C96E32.7000602@colorstudy.com> <43C992E4.9060309@pobox.com>
<43C993DB.7040807@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <17354.28439.282142.343685@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Brian> Why can't a nice date time module (like this one) be added to
Brian> Python's Standard library?
It can. Someone has to propose it (send mail to python-dev at python.org with
your arguments for inclusion). It should have broad support within the
larger Python community. Distribution issues may need to be worked out
(dual repositories, different external and within-Python release schedules,
version compatibility issues, etc). Also, the author must be willing to
contribute it. That's not always the case.
Somewhat squishier stuff:
* Category killer. If there are other strong alternatives, selecting
one over all the rest is probably premature.
* Non-existent or at most modest external dependencies. Bsddb requires
Berkeley DB, but that's widely available and present on most Linux
distros.
* Vendor dependence. There are lots of SQL adaptors, but they each
depend on a different vendors' client libraries. That makes it tough
to propose any of them for inclusion.
Skip
From jalmendz at hotmail.com Fri Jan 20 03:08:55 2006
From: jalmendz at hotmail.com (J.Almendariz)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:08:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
Message-ID: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
Dear Python programmers,
I'm introducing myself to you all...and hoping that someone can answer my question at the end of this message. I'm new to Python (approx. 2 weeks) but have been studying it with great enthusiasm. I realize that you all are far...far above me--so please have patience.
I've been studying Python via the Net (at Books 24x7). My local library doesn't have any books in their brick and mortar site so they subscribe to this service. But I've purchased "Learning Python, 2nd Ed. and the Python Cookbook 2nd Ed. which will reach me soon.
I've been principally converting some Pascal scripts into Python. I have a fun book from the 80's called Elementary Pascal. The major characters are Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson. In this book...they use Charles Babbage's Analytical Machine to solve mysteries. I'm a mystery buff and can't resist learning from this book. But, obviously, I have two big hurdles to overcome--my lack knowledge of Python syntax and the difference between Python and Pascal.
So far, I've managed to solve the 1st murder mystery (while loops) and the disappearance of Baroness Whitelsey (math operations). Today I worked out the 3rd problem (input & output): identifying different cigars from their specific characteristics (Holmes actually wrote a monograph about cigar ash). Although I figured out how to write the program...I ran into a glitch--that I could not explain logically.
Hope someone can help me out here. I can't leave mysteries unsolved (just like Holmes).
The purpose of the cigar program is to teach--how to input data...and to out put the correct answer based upon this data. There are 10 different cigars each with their own characteristics (texture, color, particles in ash, nicotine amount).
After initializing all the constants and variables, and inputing the raw data -- the cigars must be separated into 2 basic categories. Once they are separated into either Stock 1 and Stock 2 they can be further categorized (using IF and ELSE).
Problem: originally I wrote:
if texture == "flaky" or "caked":
stock = 1
else:
stock = 2
This never worked. Cigars with "varied, fluffy, granular, " textures always ended up as stock 1. So did the "flaky and caked".
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
When I changed the line to:
if texture != "flaky" or "caked":
stock = 2
else:
stock = 1
the program works great. I have no idea why. Can anyone help me.
Thanx,
Judy Almendariz
jla314 at yahoo.com
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From skip at pobox.com Fri Jan 20 12:08:47 2006
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:08:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] chicago@python.org list membership viewing
Message-ID: <17360.50367.856977.154182@montanaro.dyndns.org>
(cc'ing list-owners. Other python.org list admins might want to check their
policies as well...)
Folks,
I changed the permissions on viewing the chicago at python.org list membership
through the Mailman interface to "admins only". Previously it was visible
to anyone subscribed to the list. Then I saw an unsubscribe notice for a
Russian email address. My assumption is the owner of that address wasn't
just in town for a few days, but subscribed simply to scrape the email
addresses.
If the policy change is a problem, let me know.
--
Skip Montanaro
http://www.musi-cal.com/
skip at pobox.com
From adudzik at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 15:26:59 2006
From: adudzik at gmail.com (Andrew Dudzik)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:26:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
Message-ID:
Hello! I'm also new, to both Python and this list, but I think I know this
one, so it's a good chance for me to post.
The second block of code doesn't work either--it always sets stock = 2. I
believe that the problem is that the code you've really written is:
if (texture == "flaky") or "caked":
...
If either expression evaluates to True, the first block will be called.
Problem is, bool("caked") evaluates to True, as bool(s) is False if s == ""
and True otherwise, when s is a string. The reason for this is it allows
for really brief code like, I dunno:
a = "Hello."
while a:
a = a[:-1]
This removes a character from the end of a until a is empty.
This code would work:
if texture == "flaky" or texture == "caked":
stock = 1
else:
stock = 2
The problem with learning Python from a Pascal book is that you're going to
miss all of the syntactical shortcuts that makes Python powerful. For
instance, you could use the line 'if texture in ["flaky","caked"]'. There's
definitely a good one-liner for this, (the veterans should chime in here)
but the best I could come up with was this one: (it's a hack)
stock = 2 - (texture in ["flaky","caked"])
if texture == "flaky" or "caked":
> stock = 1
> else:
> stock = 2
>
> This never worked. Cigars with "varied, fluffy, granular, " textures
> always ended up as stock 1. So did the "flaky and caked".
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> When I changed the line to:
>
> if texture != "flaky" or "caked":
> stock = 2
> else:
> stock = 1
> the program works great. I have no idea why. Can anyone help me.
>
>
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From PRobare at chx.com Fri Jan 20 15:39:59 2006
From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:39:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] chicago@python.org list membership viewing
Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB654@MX3.chx.com>
Yes, thank you for that change. I already am doing enough to help
Nigerians recover their money from corrupt bankers.
-----Original Message-----
...
I changed the permissions on viewing ... My assumption is the owner of
that address wasn't just in town for a few days, but subscribed simply
to scrape the email addresses.
If the policy change is a problem, let me know.
From varmaa at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 17:17:53 2006
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:17:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To:
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
Message-ID: <361b27370601200817p4c6ebbe5ra4f74cdce99ff128@mail.gmail.com>
On 1/20/06, Andrew Dudzik wrote:
> The problem with learning Python from a Pascal book is that you're going to
> miss all of the syntactical shortcuts that makes Python powerful. For
> instance, you could use the line 'if texture in ["flaky","caked"]'. There's
> definitely a good one-liner for this, (the veterans should chime in here)
> but the best I could come up with was this one: (it's a hack)
>
> stock = 2 - (texture in ["flaky","caked"])
This sort of gets to the distinction of "readability" versus
"terseness". Even though that "hack" is just one line, it's much
harder to read and comprehend than the four line version that Andrew
mentioned earlier.
Instead of separating the "stock" into classifications of "1" or "2",
though, you might instead want to consider creating one boolean
category: for instance, "isFlakyOrCaked", or "isStockOne". That way
you could convert this into one line of code without sacrificing
readability:
isStockOne = texture in ["flaky", "caked"]
This could lead to problems, though, when you need to write
conditionals later on down the line--for instance, "if not isStockOne"
may be harder to read than "if stock == 2". Really, I think Andrew's
original four-line solution is fine because it's very easy to read and
isn't so verbose as to be cumbersome. The bottom line, though, is
that just because Python has lots of language features to make code
really terse doesn't mean you should necessarily use them if it makes
the code harder to understand.
I also think that reading a fun book on Pascal to learn the basics of
programming in Python is fine, because those fundamentals don't vary
too much between the two languages. In some ways it's even better
because there's the additional task of translating from Pascal to
Python, which makes the learning process more active and interesting.
It's too bad there aren't any books that teach Python in that sort of
"Sherlock Holmes mystery" setting, though--I miss that kind of
approach to programming, which seems to have disappeared in the last
decade or two.
Anyhow, I hope that helps.
- Atul
From tcp at uchicago.edu Fri Jan 20 17:18:46 2006
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:18:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To:
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
Message-ID:
On Jan 20, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Andrew Dudzik wrote:
> The problem with learning Python from a Pascal book is that you're
> going to miss all of the syntactical shortcuts that makes Python
> powerful. For instance, you could use the line 'if texture in
> ["flaky","caked"]'.
I'd agree with that and go a bit further by saying that it's all of
the syntactical structure (and shortcuts) that makes Python powerful
and yet eminently readable. The "if texture in ['flaky','caked']"
expression is very readable and if there were more options in the
list, it would be an even better simplification than having to write
out the cases in a logical or'd conditional statement. It's the
readability that makes Python easy to learn and understand as well as
easy to come back to after you've left it for a while.
> There's definitely a good one-liner for this, (the veterans should
> chime in here) but the best I could come up with was this one:
> (it's a hack)
>
> stock = 2 - (texture in ["flaky","caked"])
Sure, that works, but yeah, it's it's a hack =), just as you said.
If you need to optimize some block of code, have your way with it and
make it as difficult to read/understand as you need but otherwise I
say focus on making it work and work clearly/cleanly. (Especially if
you're going to come back to the code a ways down the road or if
someone else has to read your code) -- remember, there's usually a
tradeoff between compactness of code and readability/
comprehensibility (of course, this trend quickly reverses itself as
code bloats, but I digress...)
--
Ted Pollari
Research Programmer
Department of Health Studies
The University of Chicago
tcp at uchicago.edu
773.834.0559
From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 17:22:53 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:22:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6,
2006 with Mark Jason Dominus
In-Reply-To: <20060108002828.GA32466@petdance.com>
References: <20060108002828.GA32466@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0601200822y5c5a954i3320fc3d3cdb31a5@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Chipy,
Although we're all Py-igots, this might be interesting to some. The
speaker's book "Higher Order Perl" is a really good overview of
functional programming. We threw it around as a possible book club
book a while back, and I distinctly remember seeing it on M Tobis'
book shelf, so it has to be good (right?)
I think this talk may be somewhat Perl-centric, but it may not be.
Regardless, I wanted to make sure it was passed to you all.
Word,
Chris
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andy Lester
Date: Jan 7, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6, 2006 with Mark Jason Dominus
To: chicago-talk at mail.pm.org, chicago-announce at mail.pm.org
[Please feel free to forward to other area groups. Mark is a great
speaker and well worth the trip. -- Andy]
Mark Jason Dominus
Red Flags: Code Review World Tour
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 (7:00 PM - 9:00 PM)
Doors open at 6:00: Talk with Mark before the meeting
Illinois Institute Of Technology, Rice Campus
Auditorium, room 166
201 East Loop Road
Wheaton, IL
http://www.rice.iit.edu/directions.html
Chicago Perl Mongers is proud to welcome Mark Jason Dominus, author of
"Higher-Order Perl," to the February meeting of Chicago.pm. Mark will be
talking about the book he's currently working on, Perl Program Repair Shop
and Red Flags. We'll be giving away a copy of Mark's book "Higher-Order
Perl" as well as other swag.
MJD is a very popular speaker, and we expect a large turnout. Please
let us know you plan to attend by emailing andy at petdance.com with "MJD"
in the subject.
As preparation, Mark has asked Chicago PMers to read the following:
I'm writing a new book, which I hope will be published in 2007. It's
about code review and refactoring in Perl. (For more complete
information, please see http://perl.plover.com/flagbook/.)
To do this right, I need real examples of real code that other people
wrote. I'll review the code and fix it up, and explain in the book
what I did and why.
I have about half the examples that I need. I hope that the Perl
community can provide the other half.
For the next year, I'll be travelling around speaking to Perl Mongers
groups about this. I'd like to give about one talk each month for
the rest of the year.
What I hope will happen is that a group will invite me to come speak,
and that some of the group members will send me some example code
ahead of time. Then I'll read over the code, write up a talk about
how I think it could be improved, and come visit the group and give
the talk. After I go home again, I'l write up a book chapter about
the code, incorporating the points that the PM group raised when I
gave the talk.
Guidelines for code contributions are at
http://perl.plover.com/flagbook/contribute.html
I need your contributions no later than January 17th. To contribute,
send code to: mjd at plover.com. Questions? Send to mjd at plover.com.
Thanks a lot for having me in to speak.
For questions about this or any other upcoming meeting, please email
Andy Lester at andy at petdance.com.
--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
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From PRobare at chx.com Fri Jan 20 17:31:53 2006
From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:31:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6,
2006 with Mark Jason Dominus
Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB657@MX3.chx.com>
Am I reading this wrong or was the talk ten days ago and he's asking us
to send sample perl code in before three days ago(??)
-----Original Message-----
Hi Chipy,
Although we're all Py-igots, this might be interesting to some. The
speaker's book "Higher Order Perl" is a really good overview of
functional programming.
...
Word,
Chris
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andy Lester
Date: Jan 7, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6, 2006 with Mark Jason
Dominus
To: chicago-talk at mail.pm.org, chicago-announce at mail.pm.org
[Please feel free to forward to other area groups. Mark is a great
speaker and well worth the trip. -- Andy]
Mark Jason Dominus
Red Flags: Code Review World Tour
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 (7:00 PM - 9:00 PM) Doors open at 6:00: Talk
with Mark before the meeting
...
I need your contributions no later than January 17th. To contribute,
send code to: mjd at plover.com. Questions? Send to mjd at plover.com.
Thanks a lot for having me in to speak.
For questions about this or any other upcoming meeting, please email
Andy Lester at andy at petdance.com.
From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 17:44:29 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:44:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6,
2006 with Mark Jason Dominus
In-Reply-To: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB657@MX3.chx.com>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB657@MX3.chx.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0601200844j2ef14978qe8aa7dec316d210a@mail.gmail.com>
Hrmph.
I'll check into it. I know something is coming up in February, I
thought this was the announcement, but it clearly isn't.
I'm not a very good reader.
Chris
On 1/20/06, Robare, Phil wrote:
> Am I reading this wrong or was the talk ten days ago and he's asking us
> to send sample perl code in before three days ago(??)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Hi Chipy,
>
> Although we're all Py-igots, this might be interesting to some. The
> speaker's book "Higher Order Perl" is a really good overview of
> functional programming.
>
> ...
>
> Word,
> Chris
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andy Lester
> Date: Jan 7, 2006 6:28 PM
> Subject: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6, 2006 with Mark Jason
> Dominus
> To: chicago-talk at mail.pm.org, chicago-announce at mail.pm.org
>
>
> [Please feel free to forward to other area groups. Mark is a great
> speaker and well worth the trip. -- Andy]
>
> Mark Jason Dominus
> Red Flags: Code Review World Tour
> Tuesday, January 10, 2006 (7:00 PM - 9:00 PM) Doors open at 6:00: Talk
> with Mark before the meeting
> ...
>
> I need your contributions no later than January 17th. To contribute,
> send code to: mjd at plover.com. Questions? Send to mjd at plover.com.
>
> Thanks a lot for having me in to speak.
>
> For questions about this or any other upcoming meeting, please email
> Andy Lester at andy at petdance.com.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 17:47:05 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:47:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6,
2006 with Mark Jason Dominus
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0601200844j2ef14978qe8aa7dec316d210a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB657@MX3.chx.com>
<3096c19d0601200844j2ef14978qe8aa7dec316d210a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0601200847i71c12299sdb4a9568e73742cc@mail.gmail.com>
I investigated (with the help of a certain Mr. S____)
http://chicago.pm.org/
Yeah, it's in February, and it's on their front page.
Chris
On 1/20/06, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Hrmph.
>
> I'll check into it. I know something is coming up in February, I
> thought this was the announcement, but it clearly isn't.
>
> I'm not a very good reader.
>
> Chris
>
> On 1/20/06, Robare, Phil wrote:
> > Am I reading this wrong or was the talk ten days ago and he's asking us
> > to send sample perl code in before three days ago(??)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Hi Chipy,
> >
> > Although we're all Py-igots, this might be interesting to some. The
> > speaker's book "Higher Order Perl" is a really good overview of
> > functional programming.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Word,
> > Chris
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Andy Lester
> > Date: Jan 7, 2006 6:28 PM
> > Subject: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6, 2006 with Mark Jason
> > Dominus
> > To: chicago-talk at mail.pm.org, chicago-announce at mail.pm.org
> >
> >
> > [Please feel free to forward to other area groups. Mark is a great
> > speaker and well worth the trip. -- Andy]
> >
> > Mark Jason Dominus
> > Red Flags: Code Review World Tour
> > Tuesday, January 10, 2006 (7:00 PM - 9:00 PM) Doors open at 6:00: Talk
> > with Mark before the meeting
> > ...
> >
> > I need your contributions no later than January 17th. To contribute,
> > send code to: mjd at plover.com. Questions? Send to mjd at plover.com.
> >
> > Thanks a lot for having me in to speak.
> >
> > For questions about this or any other upcoming meeting, please email
> > Andy Lester at andy at petdance.com.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>
From bray at sent.com Fri Jan 20 17:56:01 2006
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:56:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6,
2006 with Mark Jason Dominus
In-Reply-To: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB657@MX3.chx.com>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB657@MX3.chx.com>
Message-ID: <1A1D3E08-7557-4F8D-BA9F-CB00981836AE@sent.com>
On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:31 AM, Robare, Phil wrote:
> sample perl code in before three days ago(??)
He also forgot to write that all sample code needs to be written on
the same line and obfuscated beyond what is humanly legible.
Oh wait, thats *all* perl code.
---
Brian Ray | http://brianray.chipy.org | aim:brianray34
Location: Under desk, hiding from Mongers
From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 17:58:02 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:58:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6,
2006 with Mark Jason Dominus
In-Reply-To: <1A1D3E08-7557-4F8D-BA9F-CB00981836AE@sent.com>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB657@MX3.chx.com>
<1A1D3E08-7557-4F8D-BA9F-CB00981836AE@sent.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0601200858l191c326eyaddf9b2eff51952b@mail.gmail.com>
On 1/20/06, Brian Ray wrote:
> He also forgot to write that all sample code needs to be written on
> the same line and obfuscated beyond what is humanly legible.
Totally.
j=''.join;seven_seg=lambda z:j(j(' _ |_|_ _|
|'[-~ord("??????hJ?"[int(a)])%u:][:3]for a in z)+"\n"for u
in(3,14,10))
OH SNAP! Everyone gather around the fire...I totally burnt Brian.
Chris
From adudzik at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 17:58:04 2006
From: adudzik at gmail.com (Andrew Dudzik)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:58:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To: <361b27370601200817p4c6ebbe5ra4f74cdce99ff128@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
<361b27370601200817p4c6ebbe5ra4f74cdce99ff128@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
> This sort of gets to the distinction of "readability" versus
> "terseness". Even though that "hack" is just one line, it's much
> harder to read and comprehend than the four line version that Andrew
> mentioned earlier.
>
Yes--nobody should ever, ever write code like that... please forget that
ever happened.
It has been pointed out to me that the right one-liner is this:
(2,1)[texture in ["flakey","caked"]]
This isn't easy to read for someone unfamiliar with Python, but it can be
more readily translated as "if the expression doesn't hold, do this,
otherwise, do this."
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From adudzik at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 17:58:26 2006
From: adudzik at gmail.com (Andrew Dudzik)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:58:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To:
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
<361b27370601200817p4c6ebbe5ra4f74cdce99ff128@mail.gmail.com>
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What I meant was:
stock = (2,1)[texture in ["flakey","caked"]]
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From ianb at colorstudy.com Fri Jan 20 18:06:06 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:06:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To:
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600> <361b27370601200817p4c6ebbe5ra4f74cdce99ff128@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D1187E.9060300@colorstudy.com>
Andrew Dudzik wrote:
> This sort of gets to the distinction of "readability" versus
> "terseness". Even though that "hack" is just one line, it's much
> harder to read and comprehend than the four line version that Andrew
> mentioned earlier.
>
>
> Yes--nobody should ever, ever write code like that... please forget that
> ever happened.
>
> It has been pointed out to me that the right one-liner is this:
>
> (2,1)[texture in ["flakey","caked"]]
In Python 2.5 you'll be able to do:
1 if texture in ['flakey', 'caked'] else 2
--
Ian Bicking / ianb at colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org
From bray at sent.com Fri Jan 20 18:21:57 2006
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:21:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To: <43D1187E.9060300@colorstudy.com>
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600> <361b27370601200817p4c6ebbe5ra4f74cdce99ff128@mail.gmail.com>
<43D1187E.9060300@colorstudy.com>
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On Jan 20, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Ian Bicking wrote:
> In Python 2.5 you'll be able to do:
>
> 1 if texture in ['flakey', 'caked'] else 2
What do you call this?
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From deadwisdom at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 18:25:15 2006
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brant Harris)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:25:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6,
2006 with Mark Jason Dominus
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0601200858l191c326eyaddf9b2eff51952b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB657@MX3.chx.com>
<1A1D3E08-7557-4F8D-BA9F-CB00981836AE@sent.com>
<3096c19d0601200858l191c326eyaddf9b2eff51952b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <694c06d60601200925r779e9390y8f4cecb9ddc68982@mail.gmail.com>
Now, this is just bad form. If we can't make fun of Perl, what can we
make fun of?
On 1/20/06, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> On 1/20/06, Brian Ray wrote:
> > He also forgot to write that all sample code needs to be written on
> > the same line and obfuscated beyond what is humanly legible.
>
> Totally.
>
> j=''.join;seven_seg=lambda z:j(j(' _ |_|_ _|
> |'[-~ord("??????hJ?"[int(a)])%u:][:3]for a in z)+"\n"for u
> in(3,14,10))
>
>
> OH SNAP! Everyone gather around the fire...I totally burnt Brian.
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
From tcp at uchicago.edu Fri Jan 20 18:25:56 2006
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:25:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To: <690D4DC4-0266-476B-9F3A-59E01A15209E@sent.com>
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600> <361b27370601200817p4c6ebbe5ra4f74cdce99ff128@mail.gmail.com>
<43D1187E.9060300@colorstudy.com>
<690D4DC4-0266-476B-9F3A-59E01A15209E@sent.com>
Message-ID: <5F720AC8-EC38-46B4-9E28-78AA9CAB96CC@uchicago.edu>
On Jan 20, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Brian Ray wrote:
>> In Python 2.5 you'll be able to do:
>>
>> 1 if texture in ['flakey', 'caked'] else 2
>
> What do you call this?
syntactic sugar ? =)
--
Ted Pollari
Research Programmer
Department of Health Studies
The University of Chicago
tcp at uchicago.edu
773.834.0559
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From jbalint at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 18:26:28 2006
From: jbalint at gmail.com (Jess Balint)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:26:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To: <690D4DC4-0266-476B-9F3A-59E01A15209E@sent.com>
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From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Ray
On Jan 20, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Ian Bicking wrote:
In Python 2.5 you'll be able to do:
1 if texture in ['flakey', 'caked'] else 2
What do you call this?
Perl.
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From ianb at colorstudy.com Fri Jan 20 18:29:36 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:29:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To: <690D4DC4-0266-476B-9F3A-59E01A15209E@sent.com>
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600> <361b27370601200817p4c6ebbe5ra4f74cdce99ff128@mail.gmail.com> <43D1187E.9060300@colorstudy.com>
<690D4DC4-0266-476B-9F3A-59E01A15209E@sent.com>
Message-ID: <43D11E00.6070603@colorstudy.com>
Brian Ray wrote:
>
> On Jan 20, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Ian Bicking wrote:
>
>> In Python 2.5 you'll be able to do:
>>
>>
>> 1 if texture in ['flakey', 'caked'] else 2
>>
>
> What do you call this?
Conditional expressions
--
Ian Bicking / ianb at colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org
From varmaa at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 18:34:20 2006
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:34:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To:
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
<361b27370601200817p4c6ebbe5ra4f74cdce99ff128@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <361b27370601200934sb32c35cgefdcaf656ab67b0d@mail.gmail.com>
On 1/20/06, Andrew Dudzik wrote:
> What I meant was:
>
> stock = (2,1)[texture in ["flakey","caked"]]
Whoa. Uh, I've been using Python fairly regularly for almost 3 years
and a co-worker had to tell me that this was an index into a tuple for
me to understand it--at first I thought it was some sort of language
construct I'd never encountered before.
The same co-worker told me that he thought it was "clever", but that
if I ever saw him writing code like that, I should shoot him. ;)
Aside from being difficult to read, though, I also think it's a "hack"
in the same way Andrew's original "hack" was, in that it relies on the
fact that the boolean result "False" maps to 0 and "True" maps to 1.
Even if this is defined in the Python language specification, I think
that using a boolean as an integer by using it as an index into a list
(or subtracting it from an integer) is conceptually unclear.
- Atul
From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Fri Jan 20 18:34:41 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:34:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6,
2006 with Mark Jason Dominus
In-Reply-To: <694c06d60601200925r779e9390y8f4cecb9ddc68982@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Brant Harris wrote on 01/20/2006 11:25:15 AM:
> Now, this is just bad form. If we can't make fun of Perl, what can we
> make fun of?
Whatever you do, don't make fun of Lisp or Tcl. It's more fun to
completely ignore them. They *hate* that. ;-)
-Jason
From bray at sent.com Fri Jan 20 18:42:20 2006
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:42:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To: <43D11E00.6070603@colorstudy.com>
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600> <361b27370601200817p4c6ebbe5ra4f74cdce99ff128@mail.gmail.com> <43D1187E.9060300@colorstudy.com>
<690D4DC4-0266-476B-9F3A-59E01A15209E@sent.com>
<43D11E00.6070603@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <6DF34A4F-3647-4B88-8550-E1CA5CE4B46B@sent.com>
On Jan 20, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Ian Bicking wrote:
>>>
>>> 1 if texture in ['flakey', 'caked'] else 2
>>>
>>
>> What do you call this?
>
> Conditional expressions
I figured you would say something like, "it depends".
Anyway, I like this. And it is easy to read. I am not really against
putting things on the same line. As long as it can be read without
thinking to hard.
Pycontest just proves that if given a perfect environment where it
would take great effort to do something wrong, someone can still come
along and do something very wrong. Although, I may just be jealous
because I did not win a cool keyboard.
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From PRobare at chx.com Fri Jan 20 18:40:59 2006
From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:40:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Silliness: was RE: newbie says HI; needs help
Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB659@MX3.chx.com>
(Come on people, lets take this to another topic. This won't help a
student learn if-statements. It is fun however.)
At least it's not
stock = strcmp(texture,"flakey")?1:strcmp(texture,"caked")?1:2;
Now THAT proves C's a _serious_ programming language!
Phil
________________________________
From: chicago-bounces at python.org
[mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jess Balint
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:26 AM
To: 'The Chicago Python Users Group'
Subject: Re: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
From: chicago-bounces at python.org
[mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brian Ray
On Jan 20, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Ian Bicking wrote:
In Python 2.5 you'll be able to do:
1 if texture in ['flakey', 'caked'] else 2
What do you call this?
Perl.
From varmaa at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 18:43:15 2006
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:43:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To: <43D1187E.9060300@colorstudy.com>
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
<361b27370601200817p4c6ebbe5ra4f74cdce99ff128@mail.gmail.com>
<43D1187E.9060300@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <361b27370601200943h309958ffhc80e0145fa76abab@mail.gmail.com>
On 1/20/06, Ian Bicking wrote:
> In Python 2.5 you'll be able to do:
>
> 1 if texture in ['flakey', 'caked'] else 2
Uh, what ever happened to "there's only one way to do it"? The reason
Python didn't have stuff like this is why I always liked it over Perl
or Ruby.
Ah, well. If I ever have to teach someone Python, I'm just gonna show
them Python 2.1. ;)
- Atul
From ianb at colorstudy.com Fri Jan 20 18:44:38 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:44:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To: <361b27370601200934sb32c35cgefdcaf656ab67b0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600> <361b27370601200817p4c6ebbe5ra4f74cdce99ff128@mail.gmail.com>
<361b27370601200934sb32c35cgefdcaf656ab67b0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D12186.70001@colorstudy.com>
Atul Varma wrote:
> On 1/20/06, Andrew Dudzik wrote:
>
>>What I meant was:
>>
>>stock = (2,1)[texture in ["flakey","caked"]]
>
>
> Whoa. Uh, I've been using Python fairly regularly for almost 3 years
> and a co-worker had to tell me that this was an index into a tuple for
> me to understand it--at first I thought it was some sort of language
> construct I'd never encountered before.
>
> The same co-worker told me that he thought it was "clever", but that
> if I ever saw him writing code like that, I should shoot him. ;)
>
> Aside from being difficult to read, though, I also think it's a "hack"
> in the same way Andrew's original "hack" was, in that it relies on the
> fact that the boolean result "False" maps to 0 and "True" maps to 1.
> Even if this is defined in the Python language specification, I think
> that using a boolean as an integer by using it as an index into a list
> (or subtracting it from an integer) is conceptually unclear.
Indeed it is bad style. It can also be buggy -- many expressions aren't
required to return exactly True or False, just truish or falsish values
(e.g., None for false, or "t" for true). "and" and "or" notably will
often result in something other than True and False, e.g., "5 or 3 == 5"
and "'' and True == ''".
Boolean operators can also be made to return non-booleans, but this is
less common. So if you really need to make sure something is True or
False, you have to use bool() on the value. Though "in" in particular
does seem to always return True or False.
If you really need conditional expressions (before Python 2.5) I would
recommend this function:
def test(cond, t, f):
if cond:
return t
else:
return f
Recognizing that t and f will always be evaluated (whereas "a and b"
will only evaluate "b" if "a' is false). I find this convenient in
templates sometimes, where there are places where statements aren't allowed.
--
Ian Bicking / ianb at colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org
From bray at sent.com Fri Jan 20 18:48:21 2006
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:48:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6,
2006 with Mark Jason Dominus
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
On Jan 20, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Jason R Huggins wrote:
> Whatever you do, don't make fun of Lisp or Tcl. It's more fun to
> completely ignore them. They *hate* that. ;-)
(Def-Class Class (Pleathe)
(dont make)
(fun of)
my_lithp)
From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 19:16:49 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:16:49 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] MEETING/TALK: Feb 6,
2006 with Mark Jason Dominus
In-Reply-To: <694c06d60601200925r779e9390y8f4cecb9ddc68982@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB657@MX3.chx.com>
<1A1D3E08-7557-4F8D-BA9F-CB00981836AE@sent.com>
<3096c19d0601200858l191c326eyaddf9b2eff51952b@mail.gmail.com>
<694c06d60601200925r779e9390y8f4cecb9ddc68982@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0601201016q294a8483j27e65e63571393b8@mail.gmail.com>
On 1/20/06, Brant Harris wrote:
> Now, this is just bad form. If we can't make fun of Perl, what can we
> make fun of?
I think PHP is becoming the target du jour.
Tim O'Reilly needs to put out a fancy graph explaining that it's
alright to make fun of PHP.
Chris
From rcriii at ramsdells.net Sat Jan 21 04:53:15 2006
From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (Robert C. Ramsdell III)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:53:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] newbie says HI; needs help
In-Reply-To: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
References: <000801c61d66$77f39680$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
Message-ID: <1137815595.11705.2.camel@Virginia>
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 20:08 -0600, J.Almendariz wrote:
... snip...
>
> Problem: originally I wrote:
>
> if texture == "flaky" or "caked":
> stock = 1
> else:
> stock = 2
>
> This never worked. Cigars with "varied, fluffy, granular, " textures
> always ended up as stock 1. So did the "flaky and caked".
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> When I changed the line to:
>
> if texture != "flaky" or "caked":
> stock = 2
> else:
> stock = 1
> the program works great. I have no idea why. Can anyone help me.
>
I have no idea either. The if always evaluates to true, since it is
evaluating the string 'caked' (i.e. not comparing it to texture), which
is true. So in both cases stock ends up = 1 always. I think that what
you want is:
if texture in ['flaky', 'caked']:
stock = 1
else:
stock = 2
>
> Thanx,
> Judy Almendariz
> jla314 at yahoo.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
--
Robert C. Ramsdell III
5528 Middaugh Avenue
Downers Grove, IL 60516
(630) 435-1776
rcriii at ramsdells.net
From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 13:49:11 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:49:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: O'Reilly Gives Early Access to Cutting-Edge
Technology
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <3096c19d0601240449l3f4bfc0bic58122f85f36e4a2@mail.gmail.com>
FYI
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Marsee Henon
Date: Jan 23, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: O'Reilly Gives Early Access to Cutting-Edge Technology
To: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com
Hello,
Can you please let your members know about the following news?
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Rough Cuts that gives you early access to content on cutting-edge
technologies months before it's published. Rough Cuts allows you to
purchase work-in-progress manuscripts of selected titles. You'll even
have the chance to shape the final product by sending feedback to the
author and editors. The beta version just debuted with four
works-in-progress covering Ajax, Ruby, and Flickr.
For more information, go to:
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Ruby on Rails: Up and Running: Rough Cuts Version
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http://www.oreilly.com/roughcuts/faq.csp
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From ianb at colorstudy.com Tue Jan 24 17:45:19 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:45:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Fwd: PyWeek Challenge #2: write a game in a week]
Message-ID: <43D6599F.4070003@colorstudy.com>
Think to yourself: how long has it been since I've programmed a game?
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: PyWeek Challenge #2: write a game in a week
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:21:26 +1100
From: Richard Jones
The date for the second PyWeek challenge has been set: Sunday 26th March
to Sunday 2nd April (00:00UTC to 00:00UTC).
The PyWeek challenge invites entrants to write a game in one week from
scratch either as an individual or in a team. Entries must be developed
in Python, during the challenge, and must incorporate some theme chosen
at the start of the challenge.
REGISTRATION IS NOT YET OPEN --
In order to reduce the number of unnecessary registrations, we will open
the challenge for registration one month before the start date. See the
competition timetable and rules at:
http://www.pyweek.org/
PLANNING FOR THE CHALLENGE --
Make sure you have working versions of the libraries you're going to
use.
The rules page has a list of libraries and other resources.
Make sure you can build packages to submit as your final submission (if
you're going to use py2exe, make sure you know how to use it and that it
works).
If you don't have access to Linux, Windows or a Mac to test on, contact
friends, family or other competitors to find someone who is able to test
for you.
From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 17:53:05 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:53:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Fwd: PyWeek Challenge #2: write a game in a week]
In-Reply-To: <43D6599F.4070003@colorstudy.com>
References: <43D6599F.4070003@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0601240853i13d91b78g9e3064996b448e61@mail.gmail.com>
Does Battlefield 2 or Civ 4 count as a "library"?
Chris
On 1/24/06, Ian Bicking wrote:
> Think to yourself: how long has it been since I've programmed a game?
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: PyWeek Challenge #2: write a game in a week
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:21:26 +1100
> From: Richard Jones
>
> The date for the second PyWeek challenge has been set: Sunday 26th March
> to Sunday 2nd April (00:00UTC to 00:00UTC).
>
> The PyWeek challenge invites entrants to write a game in one week from
> scratch either as an individual or in a team. Entries must be developed
> in Python, during the challenge, and must incorporate some theme chosen
> at the start of the challenge.
>
>
> REGISTRATION IS NOT YET OPEN --
>
> In order to reduce the number of unnecessary registrations, we will open
> the challenge for registration one month before the start date. See the
> competition timetable and rules at:
>
> http://www.pyweek.org/
>
>
> PLANNING FOR THE CHALLENGE --
>
> Make sure you have working versions of the libraries you're going to
> use.
> The rules page has a list of libraries and other resources.
>
> Make sure you can build packages to submit as your final submission (if
> you're going to use py2exe, make sure you know how to use it and that it
> works).
>
> If you don't have access to Linux, Windows or a Mac to test on, contact
> friends, family or other competitors to find someone who is able to test
> for you.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
From maney at two14.net Tue Jan 24 19:39:14 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:39:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: O'Reilly Gives Early Access to Cutting-Edge
Technology
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0601240449l3f4bfc0bic58122f85f36e4a2@mail.gmail.com>
References:
<3096c19d0601240449l3f4bfc0bic58122f85f36e4a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060124183914.GB24317@furrr.two14.net>
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 06:49:11AM -0600, Chris McAvoy forwarded:
> O'Reilly's Safari Books Online has just announced a new service called
> Rough Cuts that gives you early access to content on cutting-edge
> technologies months before it's published. Rough Cuts allows you to
AKA "pay extra to read the unedited manuscript". Not really new,
except for being marketed through Safari. I think I first saw this
done for some of the Pragmatic Guys topically focused books (1). Baen
Books has had partial access to non-final manuscripts for a couple
years as part of their downloadable e-book program (2); more recently,
they've been offerring early looks at complete, unedited manuscripts as
a separate product. Refreshingly, Baen's marketing has been pretty
forthright about how this is bascially soaking those who are so hot to
see the latest (these are usually titles in established series) that
they'll pay extra. Quite a lot extra, IIRC (they don't have any of
these "advance reader" titles on offer just now).
(1) http://pragmaticprogrammer.com/starter_kit/faqs/beta_faq.html
(2) http://www.webscription.net/
--
We found that we were making mistakes due to the complexity. Then we
wrote scripts to write the configs for us, and using these scripts, we
made mistakes in a faster, more automated manner. Something needed to
be done. -- Jeff Allen, A Gentle Introduction to Cricket
From maney at two14.net Tue Jan 24 19:40:51 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:40:51 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Fwd: PyWeek Challenge #2: write a game in a week]
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0601240853i13d91b78g9e3064996b448e61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43D6599F.4070003@colorstudy.com>
<3096c19d0601240853i13d91b78g9e3064996b448e61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060124184051.GC24317@furrr.two14.net>
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 10:53:05AM -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Does Battlefield 2 or Civ 4 count as a "library"?
If I were running it, such a submission would qualify as an
"interesting cheat". :-)
--
The most effective way to get information from usenet is not to ask
a question; it is to post incorrect information. -- Aahz's Law
From tcp at uchicago.edu Tue Jan 24 20:01:59 2006
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:01:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: O'Reilly Gives Early Access to Cutting-Edge
Technology
In-Reply-To: <20060124183914.GB24317@furrr.two14.net>
References:
<3096c19d0601240449l3f4bfc0bic58122f85f36e4a2@mail.gmail.com>
<20060124183914.GB24317@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <177A4B87-A8EB-4E72-9C5C-0AB15BB5BCCC@uchicago.edu>
On Jan 24, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Martin Maney wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 06:49:11AM -0600, Chris McAvoy forwarded:
>> O'Reilly's Safari Books Online has just announced a new service
>> called
>> Rough Cuts that gives you early access to content on cutting-edge
>> technologies months before it's published. Rough Cuts allows you to
>
> AKA "pay extra to read the unedited manuscript". Not really new,
> except for being marketed through Safari.
Actually, there is another bonus -- if you notice a title on Rough
Cuts that you're sure you'll want the final printed version of, you
can place an advance order at a steep discount (approx. 1/3 off in
all 4 current rough cuts titles) for just the final printed version,
when it is released. The bundled option gives you both for barely
more than the cost of the finished book at full suggested retail, but
be clear, you do have the advanced purchase discount only option in
addition to paying for the un-edited text option.
If you're in a hurry to see the new O'Reilly titles or are sure
you'll want one of them a ways in advance, this seems like a great
program to me.
-t
--
Ted Pollari
Research Programmer
Department of Health Studies
The University of Chicago
From maney at two14.net Wed Jan 25 03:55:52 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:55:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: O'Reilly Gives Early Access to Cutting-Edge
Technology
In-Reply-To: <177A4B87-A8EB-4E72-9C5C-0AB15BB5BCCC@uchicago.edu>
References:
<3096c19d0601240449l3f4bfc0bic58122f85f36e4a2@mail.gmail.com>
<20060124183914.GB24317@furrr.two14.net>
<177A4B87-A8EB-4E72-9C5C-0AB15BB5BCCC@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <20060125025552.GA12831@furrr.two14.net>
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 01:01:59PM -0600, Ted Pollari wrote:
> If you're in a hurry to see the new O'Reilly titles or are sure
> you'll want one of them a ways in advance, ...
I think this was at the root of my lack of excitement. O'Reilly used
to publish titles that really were among the very best in their field;
I've run into a lot of mediocrity in recent years. I guess you can't
afford to publish only really good books when you've reached a certain
size. Publish or perish, the commercial version. ;-(
The Pragmatic Guys seem to be producing the kind of books O'Reilly used
to - in spirit, that is, as they aren't doing classic "Nutshell"
reference books. I just wish they would do more about things that
aren't Java or Rails. :-/
--
Some kinds of waste really are disgusting. SUVs, for example,
would arguably be gross even if they ran on a fuel which would
never run out and generated no pollution. SUVs are gross because
they're the solution to a gross problem. (How to make minivans
look more masculine.) -- Paul Graham
From rcriii at ramsdells.net Wed Jan 25 13:39:46 2006
From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (Robert C. Ramsdell III)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:39:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Fwd: PyWeek Challenge #2: write a game in a week]
In-Reply-To: <43D6599F.4070003@colorstudy.com>
References: <43D6599F.4070003@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <1138192786.6764.4.camel@Virginia>
Gee, if the family did not already have dibs on most of my vacation
time, I'd consider taking time off work to do this. Of course I only
work a few hours a day, the rest is wasted.
Robert
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 10:45 -0600, Ian Bicking wrote:
> Think to yourself: how long has it been since I've programmed a game?
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: PyWeek Challenge #2: write a game in a week
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:21:26 +1100
> From: Richard Jones
>
> The date for the second PyWeek challenge has been set: Sunday 26th March
> to Sunday 2nd April (00:00UTC to 00:00UTC).
>
> The PyWeek challenge invites entrants to write a game in one week from
> scratch either as an individual or in a team. Entries must be developed
> in Python, during the challenge, and must incorporate some theme chosen
> at the start of the challenge.
>
>
> REGISTRATION IS NOT YET OPEN --
>
> In order to reduce the number of unnecessary registrations, we will open
> the challenge for registration one month before the start date. See the
> competition timetable and rules at:
>
> http://www.pyweek.org/
>
>
> PLANNING FOR THE CHALLENGE --
>
> Make sure you have working versions of the libraries you're going to
> use.
> The rules page has a list of libraries and other resources.
>
> Make sure you can build packages to submit as your final submission (if
> you're going to use py2exe, make sure you know how to use it and that it
> works).
>
> If you don't have access to Linux, Windows or a Mac to test on, contact
> friends, family or other competitors to find someone who is able to test
> for you.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
--
Robert C. Ramsdell III
5528 Middaugh Avenue
Downers Grove, IL 60516
(630) 435-1776
rcriii at ramsdells.net
From jalmendz at hotmail.com Mon Jan 23 21:02:10 2006
From: jalmendz at hotmail.com (J.Almendariz)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:02:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Newbie Thanks you
Message-ID: <000601c62057$e64f5440$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
Dear Members,
Just a short message of appreciation to all who
took the time to respond to my email. I downloaded
your suggestions and intend to try them all out.
-- Judy Almendariz
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From: jalmendz at hotmail.com (J.Almendariz)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:42:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Newbie says thank you
Message-ID: <000601c621c5$f80c2fe0$6401a8c0@athlon2600>
Dear members,
I appreciate the time and effort you all have taken to help me
with my simple problem. I have downloaded all your
comments and suggestions and I intend to try them out.
Thank you,
Judy Almendariz
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From list at phaedrusdeinus.org Thu Jan 26 19:58:47 2006
From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (johnnnn)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:58:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] I thought translating to Fortran was a stretch...
Message-ID: <43D91BE7.6010505@phaedrusdeinus.org>
Apparently a Belgian EE/programmer has put out a python package which
can be used as a hardware description/verification suite.
http://www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=177101584
http://myhdl.jandecaluwe.com/doku.php
Color me impressed.
-johnnnnnnnnn
From mtobis at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 21:12:58 2006
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:12:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] I thought translating to Fortran was a stretch...
In-Reply-To: <43D91BE7.6010505@phaedrusdeinus.org>
References: <43D91BE7.6010505@phaedrusdeinus.org>
Message-ID:
I think I'm being baited here, but OK, I'll take the bait.
Hiding Verilog under Python is indeed not that different of an idea
from hiding Fortran under Python.
In both cases you replace a machine-friendly language with an alliance
between a machine-friendly language and a programmer-friendly one.
Humans cannot easily tolerate the quantities of Verilog or Fortran
that contemporary projects call for, but our friend the Python will be
happy to take that on for us. We just have to feed our snake the right
abstractions and the right specifications, and stand back.
We get to work on a more interesting project and get the benefit of a
more robust output.
mt
On 1/26/06, johnnnn wrote:
> Apparently a Belgian EE/programmer has put out a python package which
> can be used as a hardware description/verification suite.
>
> http://www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=177101584
> http://myhdl.jandecaluwe.com/doku.php
>
> Color me impressed.
>
> -johnnnnnnnnn
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
From bray at sent.com Thu Jan 26 21:22:30 2006
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:22:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] I thought translating to Fortran was a stretch...
In-Reply-To:
References: <43D91BE7.6010505@phaedrusdeinus.org>
Message-ID:
mt:
Ever consider open sourcing your Python wrapper for Fortran? Did you
write one or is this a figment of my imagination?
Brian
My standard response to statements like "We _must_ implement multi-
processor object-oriented Java-based client-server technologies
immediately!" was "You know, FORTRAN and slide rules put men on the
moon and got them back safely multiple times." -- Matt Roberds
From list at phaedrusdeinus.org Thu Jan 26 21:29:47 2006
From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (johnnnn)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:29:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] I thought translating to Fortran was a stretch...
In-Reply-To:
References: <43D91BE7.6010505@phaedrusdeinus.org>
Message-ID: <43D9313B.5060904@phaedrusdeinus.org>
Not baited so much as gently and respectfully poked. :-)
I actually mostly wanted to point you in that direction in case, due to
the similarity of effort, there was anything worth sharing with
eachother. Pythonic synergy and all that.
And, well, mapping chips in Python is pretty cool, all things considered.
-johnnnnnnnnnn
Michael Tobis wrote:
> I think I'm being baited here, but OK, I'll take the bait.
>
> Hiding Verilog under Python is indeed not that different of an idea
> from hiding Fortran under Python.
>
> In both cases you replace a machine-friendly language with an alliance
> between a machine-friendly language and a programmer-friendly one.
>
> Humans cannot easily tolerate the quantities of Verilog or Fortran
> that contemporary projects call for, but our friend the Python will be
> happy to take that on for us. We just have to feed our snake the right
> abstractions and the right specifications, and stand back.
>
> We get to work on a more interesting project and get the benefit of a
> more robust output.
>
> mt
>
> On 1/26/06, johnnnn wrote:
>
>> Apparently a Belgian EE/programmer has put out a python package which
>> can be used as a hardware description/verification suite.
>>
>> http://www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=177101584
>> http://myhdl.jandecaluwe.com/doku.php
>>
>> Color me impressed.
>>
>> -johnnnnnnnnn
>>
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 21:32:44 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:32:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] I thought translating to Fortran was a stretch...
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On 1/26/06, Michael Tobis wrote:
> I think I'm being baited here, but OK, I'll take the bait.
When I saw the original email, I started a silent countdown to MT response.
Chris
From mtobis at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 21:32:46 2006
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:32:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] I thought translating to Fortran was a stretch...
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Not all of Fortran but a big chunk of its active application space. I
am building a domain-specific extension to Python which outputs
Fortran (or very fortranesque C) for fluid dynamics models.
It will be open source, but it isn't yet.
mt
On 1/26/06, Brian Ray wrote:
> mt:
>
> Ever consider open sourcing your Python wrapper for Fortran? Did you
> write one or is this a figment of my imagination?
>
> Brian