From jzellman at gmail.com  Sun Jun  4 02:00:55 2006
From: jzellman at gmail.com (Jeffrey Zellman)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:00:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] meeting this month
Message-ID: <319ec3960606031700s32f4d258of94ae4f3c160ada7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I was wondering if the monthly meeting will be held this thursday june 8th.
The website does not have any information about it....

thanks,

Jeff

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Brian Griffin: Peter, those are Cheerios.
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From ianb at colorstudy.com  Sun Jun  4 04:28:18 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:28:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] meeting this month
In-Reply-To: <319ec3960606031700s32f4d258of94ae4f3c160ada7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <319ec3960606031700s32f4d258of94ae4f3c160ada7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44824542.4020807@colorstudy.com>

Jeffrey Zellman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was wondering if the monthly meeting will be held this thursday june 
> 8th.  The website does not have any information about it....

Yes it will.  But we don't know where or what we'll be doing.

So, group, where will it be and what will we be doing?


-- 
Ian Bicking  |  ianb at colorstudy.com  |  http://blog.ianbicking.org

From david at graniteweb.com  Sun Jun  4 19:26:48 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:26:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] meeting this month
In-Reply-To: <44824542.4020807@colorstudy.com>
References: <319ec3960606031700s32f4d258of94ae4f3c160ada7@mail.gmail.com>
	<44824542.4020807@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <20060604172648.GB23490@wdfs.graniteweb.com>

* Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> [2006-06-03 21:28]:
> Jeffrey Zellman wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I was wondering if the monthly meeting will be held this thursday june 
> > 8th.  The website does not have any information about it....
> 
> Yes it will.  But we don't know where or what we'll be doing.
> 
> So, group, where will it be and what will we be doing?

My daughter's preschool soccer is on Thursday evenings, so that pretty
much keeps me from attending/hosting :-(

-- 
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com

From maney at two14.net  Sun Jun  4 19:59:42 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:59:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] meeting this month
In-Reply-To: <20060604172648.GB23490@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
References: <319ec3960606031700s32f4d258of94ae4f3c160ada7@mail.gmail.com>
	<44824542.4020807@colorstudy.com>
	<20060604172648.GB23490@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
Message-ID: <20060604175942.GB23361@furrr.two14.net>

On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:26:48PM -0500, David Rock wrote:
> * Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> [2006-06-03 21:28]:
> > So, group, where will it be and what will we be doing?
> 
> My daughter's preschool soccer is on Thursday evenings, so that pretty
> much keeps me from attending/hosting :-(

Now I'm glad I didn't post the flippant "my backyard, grilling sausages
and burgers" that came to mind when I first saw Ian's query.  Really,
it would never work - the yard is small, the parking even more
limited.

-- 
I look on the events of November and December 2000 in my own country,
and I reflect on what a truly science-fictional experience it is
to be living under an authentically illegitimate American government,
born of force and fraud.  -- Patrick Nielsen Hayden (in Starlight 3)


From david at graniteweb.com  Mon Jun  5 00:02:01 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] meeting this month
In-Reply-To: <20060604175942.GB23361@furrr.two14.net>
References: <319ec3960606031700s32f4d258of94ae4f3c160ada7@mail.gmail.com>
	<44824542.4020807@colorstudy.com>
	<20060604172648.GB23490@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
	<20060604175942.GB23361@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <20060604220201.GA24740@wdfs.graniteweb.com>

* Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> [2006-06-04 12:59]:
> On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:26:48PM -0500, David Rock wrote:
> > * Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> [2006-06-03 21:28]:
> > > So, group, where will it be and what will we be doing?
> > 
> > My daughter's preschool soccer is on Thursday evenings, so that pretty
> > much keeps me from attending/hosting :-(
> 
> Now I'm glad I didn't post the flippant "my backyard, grilling sausages
> and burgers" that came to mind when I first saw Ian's query.  Really,
> it would never work - the yard is small, the parking even more
> limited.

My yard is small as well, but no one would come and visit in Plainfield,
anyway ;-)

-- 
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Mon Jun  5 03:33:00 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:33:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue for June?!?
Message-ID: <448389CC.7010105@colorstudy.com>

We really need a venue for June.  Any offers?

-- 
Ian Bicking  |  ianb at colorstudy.com  |  http://blog.ianbicking.org

From tcp at uchicago.edu  Mon Jun  5 07:50:51 2006
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue for June?!?
In-Reply-To: <448389CC.7010105@colorstudy.com>
References: <448389CC.7010105@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <FE99D943-D25D-47F2-9059-97F4850DBD73@uchicago.edu>


On Jun 4, 2006, at 8:33 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:

> We really need a venue for June.  Any offers?

Push it back  a week and I could probably arrange a conference room  
at the UofC hospitals -- no pizza but I could probably work net  
access out... if you dare venture to Hyde Park (muwahahaha, <cue  
spooky music>)....

Oh and I gues since I was kinda involved in the Chicago bid for pycon  
2008 discussion @ last month's meeting, I should mention that I'm  
most likely not going to be able to make it if the meeting is this  
Thursday.  So, if more is discussed, plotted or planned, please fill  
me/the list in.

-Ted

-- 
Ted Pollari
Research Programmer
Department of Health Studies
The University of Chicago
tcp at uchicago.edu
773.834.0559




From mtobis at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 19:13:59 2006
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:13:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Monadnock booked
Message-ID: <c3aa55550606051013u2e985870s67da52250e754867@mail.gmail.com>

I ahve booked the Monadnock conference room for Thursday evening.

I'd appreciate if attendees could bring along a couple of bucks to
cover my costs.

thanks
mt

From tcp at uchicago.edu  Mon Jun  5 19:29:08 2006
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:29:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Additional Locations needed? (was) Re: Monadnock booked
In-Reply-To: <c3aa55550606051013u2e985870s67da52250e754867@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c3aa55550606051013u2e985870s67da52250e754867@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00DF0C13-1562-411A-B7AD-8D97F3F810F5@uchicago.edu>


On Jun 5, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Michael Tobis wrote:

> I ahve booked the Monadnock conference room for Thursday evening.
>
> I'd appreciate if attendees could bring along a couple of bucks to
> cover my costs.
>
> thanks
> mt

That's cool.

Out of curiosity, for the future, would people be interested/willing  
to come down to Hyde Park if we needed an alternate (free) meeting  
location?  That is, should I bother looking into what it would take  
for me to reserve a conference room?

-t


-- 
Ted Pollari
Research Programmer
Department of Health Studies
The University of Chicago
tcp at uchicago.edu
773.834.0559




From ianb at colorstudy.com  Mon Jun  5 19:47:36 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:47:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Monadnock booked
In-Reply-To: <c3aa55550606051013u2e985870s67da52250e754867@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c3aa55550606051013u2e985870s67da52250e754867@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44846E38.1060004@colorstudy.com>

Michael Tobis wrote:
> I ahve booked the Monadnock conference room for Thursday evening.
> 
> I'd appreciate if attendees could bring along a couple of bucks to
> cover my costs.

Great, we'll be sure to pass the hat.

Now... what will we be talking about?  I could do a mini talk on 
UserDict, but that's only like 10 minutes.  We could do a stdlib roundup 
if some other people want to talk about a module.  Scanning the module 
index (http://docs.python.org/lib/modindex.html), these are modules that 
seem possible; not too involved, but not entirely trivial.  Though some 
are almost entirely trivial (like StringIO).  Even just a runthrough of 
a small script you've written that uses one of these.  I could do that 
for imaplib.

cmd
ConfigParser
copy
csv
decimal
email / smtplib
fileinput
glob / fnmatch
ftplib
gc
getpass
gettext
gzip / zlib
hmac / sha / md5
httplib
imaplib / poplib
inspect
itertools
mailbox
mimetypes / webbrowser
operator
optparse
pickle / shelve
pprint
re
sets
StringIO
tarfile / zipfile
telnetlib
textwrap
threading
turtle
urllib2 / urllib
urlparse
warnings
weakref
xmlrpclib

From ph at malaprop.org  Mon Jun  5 20:05:00 2006
From: ph at malaprop.org (Peter Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:05:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] meeting this month
In-Reply-To: <44824542.4020807@colorstudy.com>
References: <319ec3960606031700s32f4d258of94ae4f3c160ada7@mail.gmail.com>
	<44824542.4020807@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <20060605180500.GF5232@malaprop.org>

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On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 09:28:18PM -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
> So, group, where will it be and what will we be doing?

I can give a ~25 minute talk on how I used the Python Image Library to
rip the Unicode glyphs to create wall-sized ascii-art (well,
Unicode-art) images. It'd be geeky fun and cover the basics of PIL. This
can optionally include ~10 minutes on what Unicode is, how it works, why
you're a bad person for not knowing it, and a bit on Unicode in Python.

I'd need to borrow a laptop with 1G of RAM, ~100M of disk, and either
GIMP or Photoshop installed (big images crash little editors). I
wouldn't need Internet access.

I got one or two nibbles in #chipy when I mentioned this, does it sound
interesting to folks?

- --
Peter Harkins  -  http://push.cx


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From ianb at colorstudy.com  Mon Jun  5 20:29:37 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:29:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] meeting this month
In-Reply-To: <20060605180500.GF5232@malaprop.org>
References: <319ec3960606031700s32f4d258of94ae4f3c160ada7@mail.gmail.com>	<44824542.4020807@colorstudy.com>
	<20060605180500.GF5232@malaprop.org>
Message-ID: <44847811.6040702@colorstudy.com>

Peter Harkins wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 09:28:18PM -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
> 
>>So, group, where will it be and what will we be doing?
> 
> 
> I can give a ~25 minute talk on how I used the Python Image Library to
> rip the Unicode glyphs to create wall-sized ascii-art (well,
> Unicode-art) images. It'd be geeky fun and cover the basics of PIL. This
> can optionally include ~10 minutes on what Unicode is, how it works, why
> you're a bad person for not knowing it, and a bit on Unicode in Python.
> 
> I'd need to borrow a laptop with 1G of RAM, ~100M of disk, and either
> GIMP or Photoshop installed (big images crash little editors). I
> wouldn't need Internet access.
> 
> I got one or two nibbles in #chipy when I mentioned this, does it sound
> interesting to folks?

I'd be interested.  I actually have been wanting to do a similar project 
for some time, splitting an image into tiled 6x4 images and then having 
them printed as glossy photos.  It should come to less than $1/sqft for 
arbitrarily large art.  Not counting the mounting.

I figure it means splitting the images, then blowing them up 
individually, then applying some kind of filters.  I'm not sure what 
yet; pixelized might look okay, but jpeg artifacts don't look okay. 
Maybe with the right blurring.  It would require experimentation. 
Theoretically some filters should be applied over a set of neighbors to 
avoid too much dissonance between photo edges.

I however do not have such a laptop to lend you.

From rcriii at ramsdells.net  Mon Jun  5 21:16:25 2006
From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (rcriii at ramsdells.net)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:16:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Monadnock booked
In-Reply-To: <44846E38.1060004@colorstudy.com>
References: <c3aa55550606051013u2e985870s67da52250e754867@mail.gmail.com>
	<44846E38.1060004@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <47215.12.20.83.70.1149534985.squirrel@mail.npsis.com>

I did something a while back with zipfile+StringIO+csv I could talk about
briefly.

Not this month but maybe next I can talk about SimPy again.  It's been
improved since I talked about last year.

Robert


> Michael Tobis wrote:
>> I ahve booked the Monadnock conference room for Thursday evening.
>>
>> I'd appreciate if attendees could bring along a couple of bucks to
>> cover my costs.
>
> Great, we'll be sure to pass the hat.
>
> Now... what will we be talking about?  I could do a mini talk on
> UserDict, but that's only like 10 minutes.  We could do a stdlib roundup
> if some other people want to talk about a module.  Scanning the module
> index (http://docs.python.org/lib/modindex.html), these are modules that
> seem possible; not too involved, but not entirely trivial.  Though some
> are almost entirely trivial (like StringIO).  Even just a runthrough of
> a small script you've written that uses one of these.  I could do that
> for imaplib.
>
> cmd
> ConfigParser
> copy
> csv
> decimal
> email / smtplib
> fileinput
> glob / fnmatch
> ftplib
> gc
> getpass
> gettext
> gzip / zlib
> hmac / sha / md5
> httplib
> imaplib / poplib
> inspect
> itertools
> mailbox
> mimetypes / webbrowser
> operator
> optparse
> pickle / shelve
> pprint
> re
> sets
> StringIO
> tarfile / zipfile
> telnetlib
> textwrap
> threading
> turtle
> urllib2 / urllib
> urlparse
> warnings
> weakref
> xmlrpclib
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



From brian at planetshwoop.com  Mon Jun  5 20:56:23 2006
From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:56:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago] meeting this month
In-Reply-To: <44847811.6040702@colorstudy.com>
References: <319ec3960606031700s32f4d258of94ae4f3c160ada7@mail.gmail.com>	<44824542.4020807@colorstudy.com>
	<20060605180500.GF5232@malaprop.org>
	<44847811.6040702@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <46532.63.73.213.5.1149533783.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>


Ian Bicking wrote:
> Peter Harkins wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 09:28:18PM -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
>>
>>>So, group, where will it be and what will we be doing?
>>
>>
>> I can give a ~25 minute talk on how I used the Python Image Library to
>> rip the Unicode glyphs to create wall-sized ascii-art (well,
>> Unicode-art) images. It'd be geeky fun and cover the basics of PIL. This
>> can optionally include ~10 minutes on what Unicode is, how it works, why
>> you're a bad person for not knowing it, and a bit on Unicode in Python.
>>
>> I'd need to borrow a laptop with 1G of RAM, ~100M of disk, and either
>> GIMP or Photoshop installed (big images crash little editors). I
>> wouldn't need Internet access.
>>
>> I got one or two nibbles in #chipy when I mentioned this, does it sound
>> interesting to folks?
>
> I'd be interested.  I actually have been wanting to do a similar project
> for some time, splitting an image into tiled 6x4 images and then having
> them printed as glossy photos.  It should come to less than $1/sqft for
> arbitrarily large art.  Not counting the mounting.
>
> I figure it means splitting the images, then blowing them up
> individually, then applying some kind of filters.  I'm not sure what
> yet; pixelized might look okay, but jpeg artifacts don't look okay.
> Maybe with the right blurring.  It would require experimentation.
> Theoretically some filters should be applied over a set of neighbors to
> avoid too much dissonance between photo edges.

Try this for inspiration.  Requires Shockwave.

<http://interact10ways.com/usa/information_interactive.htm>

brian

--
Brian Sobolak
http://www.planetshwoop.com/


From pfein at pobox.com  Mon Jun  5 22:48:17 2006
From: pfein at pobox.com (Peter Fein)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:48:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Additional Locations needed? (was) Re: Monadnock
	booked
In-Reply-To: <00DF0C13-1562-411A-B7AD-8D97F3F810F5@uchicago.edu>
References: <c3aa55550606051013u2e985870s67da52250e754867@mail.gmail.com>
	<00DF0C13-1562-411A-B7AD-8D97F3F810F5@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <200606051548.17773.pfein@pobox.com>

On Monday 05 June 2006 12:29 pm, Ted Pollari wrote:
> Out of curiosity, for the future, would people be interested/willing
> to come down to Hyde Park if we needed an alternate (free) meeting
> location?  That is, should I bother looking into what it would take
> for me to reserve a conference room?


+1 Hyde Park.  I live here. ;)
-- 
Peter Fein                                                     pfein at pobox.com
773-575-0694                                      Jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com
http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/                     irc://irc.freenode.net/#chipy

From pfein at pobox.com  Mon Jun  5 22:49:31 2006
From: pfein at pobox.com (Peter Fein)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:49:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Monadnock booked
In-Reply-To: <47215.12.20.83.70.1149534985.squirrel@mail.npsis.com>
References: <c3aa55550606051013u2e985870s67da52250e754867@mail.gmail.com>
	<44846E38.1060004@colorstudy.com>
	<47215.12.20.83.70.1149534985.squirrel@mail.npsis.com>
Message-ID: <200606051549.31819.pfein@pobox.com>

I could do a minimal talk on decorators.

On Monday 05 June 2006 02:16 pm, rcriii at ramsdells.net wrote:
> I did something a while back with zipfile+StringIO+csv I could talk about
> briefly.
>
> Not this month but maybe next I can talk about SimPy again.  It's been
> improved since I talked about last year.
>
> Robert
>
> > Michael Tobis wrote:
> >> I ahve booked the Monadnock conference room for Thursday evening.
> >>
> >> I'd appreciate if attendees could bring along a couple of bucks to
> >> cover my costs.
> >
> > Great, we'll be sure to pass the hat.
> >
> > Now... what will we be talking about?  I could do a mini talk on
> > UserDict, but that's only like 10 minutes.  We could do a stdlib roundup
> > if some other people want to talk about a module.  Scanning the module
> > index (http://docs.python.org/lib/modindex.html), these are modules that
> > seem possible; not too involved, but not entirely trivial.  Though some
> > are almost entirely trivial (like StringIO).  Even just a runthrough of
> > a small script you've written that uses one of these.  I could do that
> > for imaplib.
> >
> > cmd
> > ConfigParser
> > copy
> > csv
> > decimal
> > email / smtplib
> > fileinput
> > glob / fnmatch
> > ftplib
> > gc
> > getpass
> > gettext
> > gzip / zlib
> > hmac / sha / md5
> > httplib
> > imaplib / poplib
> > inspect
> > itertools
> > mailbox
> > mimetypes / webbrowser
> > operator
> > optparse
> > pickle / shelve
> > pprint
> > re
> > sets
> > StringIO
> > tarfile / zipfile
> > telnetlib
> > textwrap
> > threading
> > turtle
> > urllib2 / urllib
> > urlparse
> > warnings
> > weakref
> > xmlrpclib
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

-- 
Peter Fein                                                     pfein at pobox.com
773-575-0694                                      Jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com
http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/                     irc://irc.freenode.net/#chipy

From tim.saylor at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 23:24:07 2006
From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:24:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python and xml
Message-ID: <9fb45b0b0606051424n6a8e2b9asf4aa0a1108871be7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I've been using python for a few years now but I'm new to the chipy
group.  I'm hoping someone can help me out with this problem since
I've had little luck with google so far.

I'm looking for a validating xml dom parser library in python.
Information's been hard to find so I'm not even 100% sure what all the
current choices are.  At the moment I'm using the expat parser in
PyXML and that's great except that it dies on the line """<DOCTYPE
ServiceSelectors SYSTEM "services.dtd">""".  It seems that it doesn't
understand the SYSTEM keyword and chokes, but I found out that even if
I fixed that part of the code it wouldn't validate anyway.

So if anyone's familiar with the status of xml parsing in python,
please help me out.

Thanks,
Tim

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Mon Jun  5 23:36:34 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:36:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python and xml
In-Reply-To: <9fb45b0b0606051424n6a8e2b9asf4aa0a1108871be7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9fb45b0b0606051424n6a8e2b9asf4aa0a1108871be7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4484A3E2.9020409@colorstudy.com>

Tim Saylor wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've been using python for a few years now but I'm new to the chipy
> group.  I'm hoping someone can help me out with this problem since
> I've had little luck with google so far.
> 
> I'm looking for a validating xml dom parser library in python.
> Information's been hard to find so I'm not even 100% sure what all the
> current choices are.  At the moment I'm using the expat parser in
> PyXML and that's great except that it dies on the line """<DOCTYPE
> ServiceSelectors SYSTEM "services.dtd">""".  It seems that it doesn't
> understand the SYSTEM keyword and chokes, but I found out that even if
> I fixed that part of the code it wouldn't validate anyway.
> 
> So if anyone's familiar with the status of xml parsing in python,
> please help me out.

4DOM/4Suite seems like the most technically accurate of the systems, so 
I assume they have some validation.  lxml (based on libxml2) might also 
have some validation; I don't really know, except that it seems to have 
a wider variety of X* features than many other systems.  Apparently 
libxml2/lxml can be a bear to install sometimes, which would be the 
downside.  But it's really fast; the 4* tools tend to be a bit slow.

The xml.* modules are kind of crap, IMHO.  ElementTree doesn't do 
validation.  Those two plus the ones I mention above seem to be the top 
tier/most viable libraries.


From andrew at humanized.com  Mon Jun  5 23:43:46 2006
From: andrew at humanized.com (Andrew Wilson)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:43:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python and xml
In-Reply-To: <4484A3E2.9020409@colorstudy.com>
References: <9fb45b0b0606051424n6a8e2b9asf4aa0a1108871be7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4484A3E2.9020409@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <c1b1d8150606051443w144158a2rd520ba2d0e741b18@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/5/06, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:
>
>
> The xml.* modules are kind of crap, IMHO.  ElementTree doesn't do
> validation.  Those two plus the ones I mention above seem to be the top
> tier/most viable libraries.
>
>
Um....Kid uses ElementTree, and Kid requires that its templates be
validating XML.  I've debugged errors in my XML errors when Kid/ElementTree
kicked out validation errors.  So, while I'm not terribly familiar with
ElementTree, it must have SOME kind of validation.... If not, how does Kid
work / what is Kid doing?

-- Andrew
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From ianb at colorstudy.com  Mon Jun  5 23:56:59 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:56:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python and xml
In-Reply-To: <c1b1d8150606051443w144158a2rd520ba2d0e741b18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9fb45b0b0606051424n6a8e2b9asf4aa0a1108871be7@mail.gmail.com>	<4484A3E2.9020409@colorstudy.com>
	<c1b1d8150606051443w144158a2rd520ba2d0e741b18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4484A8AB.4020007@colorstudy.com>

Andrew Wilson wrote:
> On 6/5/06, *Ian Bicking* <ianb at colorstudy.com 
> <mailto:ianb at colorstudy.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     The xml.* modules are kind of crap, IMHO.  ElementTree doesn't do
>     validation.  Those two plus the ones I mention above seem to be the top
>     tier/most viable libraries.
> 
> 
> Um....Kid uses ElementTree, and Kid requires that its templates be 
> validating XML.  I've debugged errors in my XML errors when 
> Kid/ElementTree kicked out validation errors.  So, while I'm not 
> terribly familiar with ElementTree, it must have SOME kind of 
> validation.... If not, how does Kid work / what is Kid doing?

It validates that it is syntactically valid XML, but it doesn't check 
the DTD.  As an example, this is syntactically valid XML:

<html>
  <title>The title</title>
</html>

But the (X)HTML DTD I believe disallows that, and this is valid (X)HTML:

<html>
  <head>
   <title>The title</title>
  </head>
</html>

It actually would be somewhat inappropriate for Kid to check validity. 
It would make more sense to check the output from Kid for validity.

You'll encounter a kind of weird artifact of DTD's if you use &nbsp; in 
your Kid template, I think (though they may have fixed that).  &nbsp; 
means something in HTML (and XHTML?), but XML markup is only HTML if you 
add and parse the (X)HTML DTD, and learn about the entities that are 
valid in that document.  Without the DTD the only valid entities you can 
use are numerical unicode characters like '&#160;'.

This is where XML starts getting hard, I guess.  I never bother with 
validation myself, but then I only use XML in passing.


From PRobare at chx.com  Tue Jun  6 00:08:58 2006
From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:08:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python and xml
Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB746@MX3.chx.com>

Although I've never used it, xmlproc, at
http://www.garshol.priv.no/download/software/xmlproc/ claims to be a
validating XML parser for Python.

If speed of development is the main issue (i.e. you want to write python
but not too much is going on in the Python code itself) you could
develop in Jython and have access to the multitude of Java parsers.  I
started down this path once but had to move to a pure Java
implementation when Jython proved too slow.

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Saylor
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 4:24 PM
To: chicago at python.org
Subject: [Chicago] python and xml

Hello,

I've been using python for a few years now but I'm new to the chipy
group.  I'm hoping someone can help me out with this problem since
I've had little luck with google so far.

I'm looking for a validating xml dom parser library in python.
Information's been hard to find so I'm not even 100% sure what all the
current choices are.  At the moment I'm using the expat parser in
PyXML and that's great except that it dies on the line """<DOCTYPE
ServiceSelectors SYSTEM "services.dtd">""".  It seems that it doesn't
understand the SYSTEM keyword and chokes, but I found out that even if
I fixed that part of the code it wouldn't validate anyway.

So if anyone's familiar with the status of xml parsing in python,
please help me out.

Thanks,
Tim
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From bray at sent.com  Tue Jun  6 14:19:57 2006
From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:19:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python User Group Thurs June 8, 2006
Message-ID: <1149596397.11670.263161346@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Thurs. June 8, 2006. 7pm.

This will be our best meeting yet.

Location
--------

Monadnock Building, downtown Chicago

53 W Jackson Blvd at Dearborn, room 826

Please confirm attendance by 3 PM June 8 by email to mtobis att gmail
dott com; in theory you will need ID to get past building security.

The Monadnock is very convenient to all CTA lines and a short walk from
the terminus of most RTA lines or the second to last stop (Van Buren) on
the South Shore and Electric RTA lines.

Relatively inexpensive parking is available less than 1/2 mile away at
State and Harrison, or on Plymouth between Harrison and Polk.

** There will probably be a pre-meeting at a nearby cafe (like
Intelligentsia) for early arrivals.  Check the mailing list for more.

Cost
----

A hat will be passed around for ChiPy room and board. Be ready to give
$3-$5 if you can.

Topics
------

* Python Image Library (PIL) to rip the Unicode glyphs to create
wall-sized ascii-art (Peter Harkins)
* UserDict (some Ian Bicking guy?)
* StdLib Roundup (everyone)


About ChiPy
-----------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
Python website: <http://python.org>

----

Forward this on.



From bray at sent.com  Tue Jun  6 14:20:17 2006
From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:20:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python User Group Thurs June 8, 2006
Message-ID: <1149596417.11671.263161346@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Thurs. June 8, 2006. 7pm.

This will be our best meeting yet.

Location
--------

Monadnock Building, downtown Chicago

53 W Jackson Blvd at Dearborn, room 826

Please confirm attendance by 3 PM June 8 by email to mtobis att gmail
dott com; in theory you will need ID to get past building security.

The Monadnock is very convenient to all CTA lines and a short walk from
the terminus of most RTA lines or the second to last stop (Van Buren) on
the South Shore and Electric RTA lines.

Relatively inexpensive parking is available less than 1/2 mile away at
State and Harrison, or on Plymouth between Harrison and Polk.

** There will probably be a pre-meeting at a nearby cafe (like
Intelligentsia) for early arrivals.  Check the mailing list for more.

Cost
----

A hat will be passed around for ChiPy room and board. Be ready to give
$3-$5 if you can.

Topics
------

* Python Image Library (PIL) to rip the Unicode glyphs to create
wall-sized ascii-art (Peter Harkins)
* UserDict (some Ian Bicking guy?)
* StdLib Roundup (everyone)


About ChiPy
-----------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
Python website: <http://python.org>

----

Forward this on.



From PRobare at chx.com  Tue Jun  6 15:54:04 2006
From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:54:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python User Group Thurs June 8, 2006
Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB748@MX3.chx.com>

bray at sent.com on Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:20 AM wrote:
> ** There will probably be a pre-meeting at a nearby cafe (like
> Intelligentsia) for early arrivals.  Check the mailing list for more.

Unfortunately Intelligentsia closes early (6 pm).  Grabbing a table in the
Caf? at Border's in DePaul Center (State & Jackson) seemed to work.

From rcriii at ramsdells.net  Tue Jun  6 16:18:35 2006
From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (rcriii at ramsdells.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:18:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python User Group Thurs June 8, 2006
In-Reply-To: <1149596417.11671.263161346@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1149596417.11671.263161346@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <46905.12.20.83.70.1149603515.squirrel@mail.npsis.com>

I will be coming from my office in Oakbrook, if anyone would like to
carpool or meet me at a nearby train station.

Robert

> Thurs. June 8, 2006. 7pm.
>
> This will be our best meeting yet.
>
> Location
> --------
>
> Monadnock Building, downtown Chicago
>
> 53 W Jackson Blvd at Dearborn, room 826
>
> Please confirm attendance by 3 PM June 8 by email to mtobis att gmail
> dott com; in theory you will need ID to get past building security.
>
> The Monadnock is very convenient to all CTA lines and a short walk from
> the terminus of most RTA lines or the second to last stop (Van Buren) on
> the South Shore and Electric RTA lines.
>
> Relatively inexpensive parking is available less than 1/2 mile away at
> State and Harrison, or on Plymouth between Harrison and Polk.
>
> ** There will probably be a pre-meeting at a nearby cafe (like
> Intelligentsia) for early arrivals.  Check the mailing list for more.
>
> Cost
> ----
>
> A hat will be passed around for ChiPy room and board. Be ready to give
> $3-$5 if you can.
>
> Topics
> ------
>
> * Python Image Library (PIL) to rip the Unicode glyphs to create
> wall-sized ascii-art (Peter Harkins)
> * UserDict (some Ian Bicking guy?)
> * StdLib Roundup (everyone)
>
>
> About ChiPy
> -----------
>
> ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
> Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
> Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
> efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.
>
> ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
> ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
> Python website: <http://python.org>
>
> ----
>
> Forward this on.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



From mtobis at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 16:18:42 2006
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:18:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python User Group Thurs June 8, 2006
In-Reply-To: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB748@MX3.chx.com>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB748@MX3.chx.com>
Message-ID: <c3aa55550606060718x131864fau6e7f45d73ecc62cb@mail.gmail.com>

Quibble/Clarification: It's a Barnes & Noble

mt

On 6/6/06, Robare, Phil <PRobare at chx.com> wrote:
> bray at sent.com on Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:20 AM wrote:
> > ** There will probably be a pre-meeting at a nearby cafe (like
> > Intelligentsia) for early arrivals.  Check the mailing list for more.
>
> Unfortunately Intelligentsia closes early (6 pm).  Grabbing a table in the
> Caf? at Border's in DePaul Center (State & Jackson) seemed to work.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From ph at malaprop.org  Tue Jun  6 17:23:56 2006
From: ph at malaprop.org (Peter Harkins)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:23:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python User Group Thurs June 8, 2006
In-Reply-To: <1149596417.11671.263161346@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1149596417.11671.263161346@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <20060606152356.GJ5232@malaprop.org>

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On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 07:20:17AM -0500, bray at sent.com wrote:
> * Python Image Library (PIL) to rip the Unicode glyphs to create
> wall-sized ascii-art (Peter Harkins)

I'll take this as confirmation that I should actually prepare a
presentation.

I still need to borrow a laptop. I can drop the RAM and image editor
requirements -- anyone with a 100M of free disk and a certainty they'll
attend, let me know.

- --
Peter Harkins  -  http://push.cx


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From jason at hostedlabs.com  Tue Jun  6 17:13:27 2006
From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:13:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python User Group Thurs June 8, 2006
In-Reply-To: <c3aa55550606060718x131864fau6e7f45d73ecc62cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB748@MX3.chx.com>
	<c3aa55550606060718x131864fau6e7f45d73ecc62cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44859B97.7070401@hostedlabs.com>

OK, not sure whats wrong with you Python peoples but pre-meetings (and
meetings) should always involve beer.  There is a pub in the building.

I mean diet Squirt and other exotic beverages have a certain kitschy
cool about them but come on...

Or are you all saving those precious brain cells for esoteric
programming constructs and design patterns? ;-)




> Quibble/Clarification: It's a Barnes & Noble
> 
> mt
> 
> On 6/6/06, Robare, Phil <PRobare at chx.com> wrote:
> 
>>bray at sent.com on Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:20 AM wrote:
>>
>>>** There will probably be a pre-meeting at a nearby cafe (like
>>>Intelligentsia) for early arrivals.  Check the mailing list for more.
>>
>>Unfortunately Intelligentsia closes early (6 pm).  Grabbing a table in the
>>Caf? at Border's in DePaul Center (State & Jackson) seemed to work.
>>_______________________________________________
>>Chicago mailing list
>>Chicago at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From PRobare at chx.com  Tue Jun  6 18:11:14 2006
From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:11:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python User Group Thurs June 8, 2006
Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB749@MX3.chx.com>

Jason Rexilius on Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:13 AM wrote:
> OK, not sure whats wrong with you Python peoples but pre-meetings (and
> meetings) should always involve beer.  There is a pub in the building.

If you are speaking of Cavenaugh's it closes at 6 or 6:30 like so much
of downtown Chicago.

Beside which I have too many relatives who in their youth convinced
themselves that if one beer is good, more are better and have ended up
angry, complaining and unsuccessful in life.  I'll stick with caffiene
as my drug of choice for pre-meeting.

From luke at metathusalan.com  Tue Jun  6 17:51:46 2006
From: luke at metathusalan.com (Luke Opperman)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 2006 10:51:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python User Group Thurs June 8, 2006
In-Reply-To: <44859B97.7070401@hostedlabs.com>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB748@MX3.chx.com>
	<c3aa55550606060718x131864fau6e7f45d73ecc62cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<44859B97.7070401@hostedlabs.com>
Message-ID: <20060606105146.oc27k0owssg4sk44@mail.opperman.net>

I won't be able to make it to the meeting as I have a flight at 6pm. Beers at
3pm, anyone? :)

- Luke

Quoting Jason Rexilius <jason at hostedlabs.com>:

> OK, not sure whats wrong with you Python peoples but pre-meetings (and
> meetings) should always involve beer.  There is a pub in the building.
>
> I mean diet Squirt and other exotic beverages have a certain kitschy
> cool about them but come on...
>
> Or are you all saving those precious brain cells for esoteric
> programming constructs and design patterns? ;-)
>


From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 18:24:54 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:24:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python User Group Thurs June 8, 2006
In-Reply-To: <20060606105146.oc27k0owssg4sk44@mail.opperman.net>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB748@MX3.chx.com>
	<c3aa55550606060718x131864fau6e7f45d73ecc62cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<44859B97.7070401@hostedlabs.com>
	<20060606105146.oc27k0owssg4sk44@mail.opperman.net>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0606060924v61e82c8ah176d13bd74ea4722@mail.gmail.com>

I won't be there this week.  The wife and I signed up for Tennis
lessons for the next three weeks.  In July, I'll do a lightning talk
on backhands.

We're due for a Pycon chat round 2 in July.  I haven't followed up
with our Depaul friend (who is on this list btw), but plan to next
week.

Have fun Thursday,
Chris

From fawad at fawad.net  Tue Jun  6 19:07:22 2006
From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python User Group Thurs June 8, 2006
In-Reply-To: <20060606152356.GJ5232@malaprop.org>
References: <20060606152356.GJ5232@malaprop.org>
Message-ID: <acce149189724204138cca97ba5409fe@localhost>


I have a Linux laptop with 512MB RAM, plenty of HDD and a lightweight image editor (krita) that I'll be bringing. Let me know if you'd like me to install additional libraries. I've a 99% chance of attending the meeting (the 1% reserved for acts of god, boss, and the like).

Regards
-fawad

On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:23:56 -0500, Peter Harkins <ph at malaprop.org> wrote:
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>> wall-sized ascii-art (Peter Harkins)
> 
> I'll take this as confirmation that I should actually prepare a
> presentation.
> 
> I still need to borrow a laptop. I can drop the RAM and image editor
> requirements -- anyone with a 100M of free disk and a certainty they'll
> attend, let me know.
> 
> - --
> Peter Harkins  -  http://push.cx
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From mtobis at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 20:11:46 2006
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:11:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Monadnock RSVP please
Message-ID: <c3aa55550606061111l24440903r90b6b247438754ab@mail.gmail.com>

Please don't make me parse out every email, and write me with the
subject line ChiPy June if you are planning to attend or considering
attending.

mt

From mtobis at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 22:14:55 2006
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:14:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python User Group Thurs June 8, 2006
In-Reply-To: <44859B97.7070401@hostedlabs.com>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB748@MX3.chx.com>
	<c3aa55550606060718x131864fau6e7f45d73ecc62cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<44859B97.7070401@hostedlabs.com>
Message-ID: <c3aa55550606061314i7a31b8bt7db6a0ea0add43d0@mail.gmail.com>

I have given up on Diet Squirt since discovering that there is a Ruby
Red Squirt and yet no Python Green Squirt. hmmph.

On 6/6/06, Jason Rexilius <jason at hostedlabs.com> wrote:
> OK, not sure whats wrong with you Python peoples but pre-meetings (and
> meetings) should always involve beer.  There is a pub in the building.

I second coffee before and beer after, but as someone pointed out,
Cavanugh's closes early.

The nearest bar open after 10 is the Elephant and Castle at 111 W
Adams; admittedly it's a chain but it is a Canadian chain which is not
so bad. It has a fine selection of brews, and a limited selection of
diet sodas.

mt

From ehs at pobox.com  Wed Jun  7 18:55:30 2006
From: ehs at pobox.com (Edward Summers)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:55:30 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] python and xml
In-Reply-To: <4484A8AB.4020007@colorstudy.com>
References: <9fb45b0b0606051424n6a8e2b9asf4aa0a1108871be7@mail.gmail.com>	<4484A3E2.9020409@colorstudy.com>
	<c1b1d8150606051443w144158a2rd520ba2d0e741b18@mail.gmail.com>
	<4484A8AB.4020007@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <0218B8CB-7562-43DA-B48F-630797621310@pobox.com>

On Jun 5, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
> It validates that it is syntactically valid XML, but it doesn't check
> the DTD.  As an example, this is syntactically valid XML:
>
> <html>
>   <title>The title</title>
> </html>
>
> But the (X)HTML DTD I believe disallows that, and this is valid (X) 
> HTML:
>
> <html>
>   <head>
>    <title>The title</title>
>   </head>
> </html>

Validation has a special meaning in xml-land -- and what you are  
talking about here as 'syntactically valid' is commonly called well- 
formed in xml-land.

Pretty much all xml parsing libraries require at least well-formedness.

//Ed

From mtobis at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 19:29:54 2006
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:29:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP ChiPy Thursday reminder
Message-ID: <c3aa55550606071029p7a98b01buc1256e74c4d13a89@mail.gmail.com>

I realize a bunch of people on various threads have indicated whether
they intend to show up this week, but please send me an email with
ChiPy June in the subject line if you might show up.

thanks
mt

From mtobis at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 21:43:14 2006
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:43:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP ChiPy Thursday reminder
In-Reply-To: <c3aa55550606071029p7a98b01buc1256e74c4d13a89@mail.gmail.com>
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Going, going...

We have 18 people signed up so far, but Guido's track record for
showing up is not that good.

Speak now, or you will have to bluff your way past the guard.

mt

From jawolter at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 16:33:34 2006
From: jawolter at gmail.com (Jonathan Andrew Wolter)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:33:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] (as per yesterday's meeting) TECHcocktail event July 6th
	- wine and demos/meetup
Message-ID: <32ca7bf50606090733l63db52f9j3f84d8c95ed628ae@mail.gmail.com>

Because so many of you were interested last night, here are details about
the wine and cocktails on July 6th, 6:30-10pm at State Resturant in Lincoln
Park.

My friend is organizing TECHcocktail.com to promote quarterly meetups like
this for the Chicago tech, entrepreneurship, and software community. RSVP
and read more at http://www.TECHcocktail.com

Also, if you're interested in that, I keep a blog of current events for tech
people:
That's at www.TechSocial.com

Hope to see you there (-;

--Jonathan Andrew Wolter
http://TechSocial.com - Chicago calendar of software and entrepreneurship
events
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 17:57:01 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:57:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July!
Message-ID: <3096c19d0606090857x7e827dco77e3be281adc0dbb@mail.gmail.com>

There was talk last night about hosting July Chipy here at Performics,
right?  That's a-ok as far as I know.  Barring some strange scheduling
conflict, that should be a-ok.

How'd the meeting go last night?  The wife and I learned two-handed
back hands at tennis class.  I can put a wicked top spin on a ball
now.  I am king of tennis.

Chris

From david at graniteweb.com  Fri Jun  9 21:11:44 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:11:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July!
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0606090857x7e827dco77e3be281adc0dbb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0606090857x7e827dco77e3be281adc0dbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060609191144.GB27465@wdfs.graniteweb.com>

* Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> [2006-06-09 10:57]:
> There was talk last night about hosting July Chipy here at Performics,
> right?  That's a-ok as far as I know.  Barring some strange scheduling
> conflict, that should be a-ok.
> 
> How'd the meeting go last night?  The wife and I learned two-handed
> back hands at tennis class.  I can put a wicked top spin on a ball
> now.  I am king of tennis.

All hail King Chipy!

-- 
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com

From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Fri Jun  9 22:14:15 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:14:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
Message-ID: <OF5BAEF736.45774627-ON86257188.006F0781-86257188.006F2B57@thoughtworks.com>

Hey gang, sorry I missed the meeting last night... Hope it lived up to the 
hype. :-)

In other news, I was thinking... (and watch out when I start to think 
outloud)...

I'm waaaaay over due in updating my Oracle DB support patch for the Django 
framework.. So it turns out that late at night, I'd rather read boring 
comments on Reddit or Slashdot than actually write code... Which reminded 
of one of the cures for that... Coding Sprints and Paired Programming... 
Having someone looking over your shoulder... or being in a room with 
others working on similar tasks help to keep you focused...

Which got me thinking more.... getting the motivation to write open source 
software when I'm not paid to do it is alot like getting the motivation to 
go exercise... It helps to have a buddy or team to train with...

Which got me thinking more... what if every week there was a "mini-sprint" 
held at some central location downtown where folks can meet up and code... 
Kind of like a "running club", but for coders. A coffee shop with WiFi 
near Millennium Park might work, or perhaps the food court in Citibank 
Plaza . To fit into the work schedule of people who get paid to do other 
things, the "sprint" would be before or after the standard 8-5 work 
schedule of most office dwellers....

My proposal is that every Monday morning from 6 a.m. to 8 a.m., open 
source hackers meet somewhere in downtown Chicago and work on the projects 
that interest them... We could even setup projectors and let bystanders 
help find bugs on the big screen... or having a big screen would just 
serve to bystanders as a window into the wacky world of non-paid software 
development. Perhaps, I'll even find someone who wants to help me with the 
Oracle/Django patch... and it'll reduce my temptation to just loaf around 
and read Slashdot....

This doesn't have to be Python-specific.... Rubyists, Perl Mongers, 
PHPimps, and Javanauts are welcome, too. Forget the Lispers, though.. they 
talk funny.

Thoughts? Rebuttals? Flames? 

-Jason

From fawad at fawad.net  Fri Jun  9 22:18:59 2006
From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:18:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July!
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0606090857x7e827dco77e3be281adc0dbb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0606090857x7e827dco77e3be281adc0dbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cfd86481d0f5c5403b818a23d950d28a@localhost>


Last night's meeting rocked. Harkin's talk on Unicode and PIL was very informative. Ian did a presentation on userdicts which was very cool as well. I think he used an actual text editor this time. There was some short talks about the intricacies by Michael Tobis and Robert Ramsdell, but my brain started to fry when they talked about random variates and stuff.

Oh, and I got a free python (thanks, Michael). I'm planning on placing it in my cubicle so that I can have python in and on my computer.

-fawad

On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:57:01 -0500, "Chris McAvoy" <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> There was talk last night about hosting July Chipy here at Performics,
> right?  That's a-ok as far as I know.  Barring some strange scheduling
> conflict, that should be a-ok.
> 
> How'd the meeting go last night?  The wife and I learned two-handed
> back hands at tennis class.  I can put a wicked top spin on a ball
> now.  I am king of tennis.
> 
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From jbalint at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 22:31:29 2006
From: jbalint at gmail.com (Jess Balint)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:31:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <OF5BAEF736.45774627-ON86257188.006F0781-86257188.006F2B57@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <4489db65.704176c0.69ff.50cb@mx.gmail.com>

Wow.... 6 am Monday morning... sounds like every programmers dream... Not!
:p

Anyways, what is the proposed location of this? Every week could be neat. 

-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Jason R Huggins
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:14 PM
To: chicago at python.org
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?

Hey gang, sorry I missed the meeting last night... Hope it lived up to the 
hype. :-)

In other news, I was thinking... (and watch out when I start to think 
outloud)...

I'm waaaaay over due in updating my Oracle DB support patch for the Django 
framework.. So it turns out that late at night, I'd rather read boring 
comments on Reddit or Slashdot than actually write code... Which reminded 
of one of the cures for that... Coding Sprints and Paired Programming... 
Having someone looking over your shoulder... or being in a room with 
others working on similar tasks help to keep you focused...

Which got me thinking more.... getting the motivation to write open source 
software when I'm not paid to do it is alot like getting the motivation to 
go exercise... It helps to have a buddy or team to train with...

Which got me thinking more... what if every week there was a "mini-sprint" 
held at some central location downtown where folks can meet up and code... 
Kind of like a "running club", but for coders. A coffee shop with WiFi 
near Millennium Park might work, or perhaps the food court in Citibank 
Plaza . To fit into the work schedule of people who get paid to do other 
things, the "sprint" would be before or after the standard 8-5 work 
schedule of most office dwellers....

My proposal is that every Monday morning from 6 a.m. to 8 a.m., open 
source hackers meet somewhere in downtown Chicago and work on the projects 
that interest them... We could even setup projectors and let bystanders 
help find bugs on the big screen... or having a big screen would just 
serve to bystanders as a window into the wacky world of non-paid software 
development. Perhaps, I'll even find someone who wants to help me with the 
Oracle/Django patch... and it'll reduce my temptation to just loaf around 
and read Slashdot....

This doesn't have to be Python-specific.... Rubyists, Perl Mongers, 
PHPimps, and Javanauts are welcome, too. Forget the Lispers, though.. they 
talk funny.

Thoughts? Rebuttals? Flames? 

-Jason
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From tcp at uchicago.edu  Fri Jun  9 22:52:05 2006
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:52:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <4489db65.704176c0.69ff.50cb@mx.gmail.com>
References: <4489db65.704176c0.69ff.50cb@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CEE5984-2BBD-44F0-9A5B-B945CB2A16FA@uchicago.edu>


On Jun 9, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Jess Balint wrote:

> Wow.... 6 am Monday morning... sounds like every programmers  
> dream... Not!
> :p

There would have to be coffee.  Much coffee.


-t

From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Fri Jun  9 23:08:25 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:08:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <7CEE5984-2BBD-44F0-9A5B-B945CB2A16FA@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <OFACC55CFD.283ED751-ON86257188.00734153-86257188.00742121@thoughtworks.com>

> On Jun 9, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Jess Balint wrote:
> 
> > Wow.... 6 am Monday morning... sounds like every programmers 
> > dream... Not!
> > :p
> 
> There would have to be coffee.  Much coffee.

Don't forget about free Coffee Mondays at McDonalds! :-) I think we should 
do the sprint at the food court on the first floor of Citicorp Center. And 
lots of seats... Don't know about net access, though.

http://tinyurl.com/oe9c3 

-Jason

From chipy at holovaty.com  Fri Jun  9 22:25:43 2006
From: chipy at holovaty.com (Adrian Holovaty)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:25:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <OF5BAEF736.45774627-ON86257188.006F0781-86257188.006F2B57@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF5BAEF736.45774627-ON86257188.006F0781-86257188.006F2B57@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <200606091525.43125.chipy@holovaty.com>

Jason R Huggins wrote:
> My proposal is that every Monday morning from 6 a.m. to 8 a.m., open
> source hackers meet somewhere in downtown Chicago and work on the projects
> that interest them... 

That sounds fantastic! I'd totally do that. But... 6 a.m. on a Monday?

Adrian

From tcp at uchicago.edu  Fri Jun  9 23:16:02 2006
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:16:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <OFACC55CFD.283ED751-ON86257188.00734153-86257188.00742121@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OFACC55CFD.283ED751-ON86257188.00734153-86257188.00742121@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <D6A945CA-A3F9-4988-BFEC-6F7680A7897F@uchicago.edu>


On Jun 9, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Jason R Huggins wrote:

> Don't forget about free Coffee Mondays at McDonalds! :-) I think we  
> should
> do the sprint at the food court on the first floor of Citicorp  
> Center. And
> lots of seats... Don't know about net access, though.

I would certainly be less inclined to work there... the place kinda  
gives me the creeps.  Then again, I'm not sure if I could drag myself  
in @ 6 am anyway....


Nevertheless, the free coffee @ McDonalds is a good point.

-t



From list at phaedrusdeinus.org  Fri Jun  9 23:07:56 2006
From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (John Melesky)
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:07:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <OF5BAEF736.45774627-ON86257188.006F0781-86257188.006F2B57@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF5BAEF736.45774627-ON86257188.006F0781-86257188.006F2B57@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <4489E32C.6090104@phaedrusdeinus.org>

Jason R Huggins wrote:
> My proposal is that every Monday morning from 6 a.m. to 8 a.m., open 
> source hackers meet somewhere in downtown Chicago and work on the projects 
> that interest them...

I'm in. Give me a place and make sure there's wireless and electricity
and i'll be there this Monday morning. Offices are a bit of a pain if
there's a guest list requirement, so a public space might be better.

(research by web and phone)

The Starbucks at LaSalle and Lake opens at 5:30am. Is that a reasonable
place for the first meeting?


> Forget the Lispers, though.. they talk funny.

I might sneak Lisp code in regardless. :P

-johnnnnnnnnn


From PRobare at chx.com  Fri Jun  9 23:29:41 2006
From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:29:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB751@MX3.chx.com>

The Harold Washington Library is open till 7pm Monday to Thursday.  They
also are supposed to have free wi-fi though I've never tried to use it
there.  A small group would probably never be noticed hiding in the
study bays in the back on the fifth floor (technology books).  And pair
programming usually doesn't make a lot of noise. I doubt we could get
away with a projector in the public areas however. I don't know what it
would take to reserve an actual room.

Phil

On Friday, June 09, 2006 3:31 PM Jess Balint wrote:

> Anyways, what is the proposed location of this? Every week could be
neat. 

From tcp at uchicago.edu  Fri Jun  9 23:31:43 2006
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:31:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <4489E32C.6090104@phaedrusdeinus.org>
References: <OF5BAEF736.45774627-ON86257188.006F0781-86257188.006F2B57@thoughtworks.com>
	<4489E32C.6090104@phaedrusdeinus.org>
Message-ID: <140D8157-09C0-47C2-9466-EE632112AA85@uchicago.edu>


On Jun 9, 2006, at 4:07 PM, John Melesky wrote:

> I'm in. Give me a place and make sure there's wireless and electricity
> and i'll be there this Monday morning. Offices are a bit of a pain if
> there's a guest list requirement, so a public space might be better.
>
> (research by web and phone)
>
> The Starbucks at LaSalle and Lake opens at 5:30am. Is that a  
> reasonable
> place for the first meeting?


Panera Bread (far superior to Starbucks IMHO) has free wifi and good  
food
There's one located at 525 S. State street (state and congress) and  
it opens at 6:00 am)

Just another option...

-t



From jbalint at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 23:35:50 2006
From: jbalint at gmail.com (Jess Balint)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:35:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB751@MX3.chx.com>
Message-ID: <4489ea7b.04404c16.4622.51fa@mx.gmail.com>

Speaking from experience, the wifi on the library's biz/science/tech floor
is TERRIBLE.

-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Robare, Phil
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:30 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?

The Harold Washington Library is open till 7pm Monday to Thursday.  They
also are supposed to have free wi-fi though I've never tried to use it
there.  A small group would probably never be noticed hiding in the
study bays in the back on the fifth floor (technology books).  And pair
programming usually doesn't make a lot of noise. I doubt we could get
away with a projector in the public areas however. I don't know what it
would take to reserve an actual room.

Phil

On Friday, June 09, 2006 3:31 PM Jess Balint wrote:

> Anyways, what is the proposed location of this? Every week could be
neat. 
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From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 23:39:40 2006
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:39:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB751@MX3.chx.com>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB751@MX3.chx.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380606091439w76ca707dn5056ddaa1fdefddf@mail.gmail.com>

I've been to the library... and the wifi is good, but I can only get a
singal on the 3rd floor... where all the computers are. So I am not sure if
we could find another place in the library.

6am is early for someone who travels 1.5-2hrs to get to the big city!

On 6/9/06, Robare, Phil <PRobare at chx.com> wrote:
>
> The Harold Washington Library is open till 7pm Monday to Thursday.  They
> also are supposed to have free wi-fi though I've never tried to use it
> there.  A small group would probably never be noticed hiding in the
> study bays in the back on the fifth floor (technology books).  And pair
> programming usually doesn't make a lot of noise. I doubt we could get
> away with a projector in the public areas however. I don't know what it
> would take to reserve an actual room.
>
> Phil
>
> On Friday, June 09, 2006 3:31 PM Jess Balint wrote:
>
> > Anyways, what is the proposed location of this? Every week could be
> neat.
> _______________________________________________
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From bray at sent.com  Fri Jun  9 23:44:48 2006
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:44:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <OF5BAEF736.45774627-ON86257188.006F0781-86257188.006F2B57@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF5BAEF736.45774627-ON86257188.006F0781-86257188.006F2B57@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <48309144-AF0C-49B1-A485-5ED878C916D8@sent.com>

I recommend The FIXX. map -> http://tinyurl.com/gm5ro

<http://chicago.citysearch.com/profile/41879483/chicago_il/ 
the_fixx_coffee_bar.html>

Its open at 6, has WIFI, is big and empty with nice tables at this  
time in the AM. ITs not in the loop its v. close to the belmont or  
sheffield L stations.

The owners work the coffee bar so I can stop in and double check if  
its ok.

-- bhr

From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Fri Jun  9 23:48:02 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:48:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <48309144-AF0C-49B1-A485-5ED878C916D8@sent.com>
Message-ID: <OF34802591.A0DA6664-ON86257188.00775817-86257188.0077C158@thoughtworks.com>

chicago-bounces at python.org wrote on 06/09/2006 04:44:48 PM:

> I recommend The FIXX. map -> http://tinyurl.com/gm5ro
> 
> <http://chicago.citysearch.com/profile/41879483/chicago_il/ 
> the_fixx_coffee_bar.html>
> 
> Its open at 6, has WIFI, is big and empty with nice tables at this 
> time in the AM. ITs not in the loop its v. close to the belmont or 
> sheffield L stations.
> 
> The owners work the coffee bar so I can stop in and double check if 
> its ok.

Yeah, for any place we "crash", we should check with owners about it 
first.

And yeah, I don't whether "Loop" or "Lincoln Park" would work better... 
Really depends who would show up.

- Jason

From PRobare at chx.com  Sat Jun 10 00:12:40 2006
From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:12:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB752@MX3.chx.com>

 
On Friday, June 09, 2006 4:45 PM Brian Ray wrote:

> I recommend The FIXX. map -> http://tinyurl.com/gm5ro

That's an amazing Google picture.  Zoom all the way in on Satellite
view. The west side of the street has normal "good" google resolution,
about a foot.  But the east side of the street looks like about 5 inches
resolution.  You can see the tracks on the El and even the wire for
electricity going into the building from a pole in the alley.

From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Sat Jun 10 00:30:53 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:30:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <200606091525.43125.chipy@holovaty.com>
Message-ID: <OFFB89BC08.38647487-ON86257188.007886F9-86257188.007BADE5@thoughtworks.com>

Adrian Holovaty wrote on 06/09/2006 03:25:43 PM:
> Jason R Huggins wrote:
> > My proposal is that every Monday morning from 6 a.m. to 8 a.m., open
> > source hackers meet somewhere in downtown Chicago and work on the 
projects
> > that interest them... 
> 
> That sounds fantastic! I'd totally do that. But... 6 a.m. on a Monday?

>From experience training for a few Chicago marathons, I realized I was 
more likely to train (if I ever did) in the morning than in the evening... 
By 5 p.m., something better always seams to come up. If folks committed to 
5-7 (or 6-8) p.m., it would compete with dinner plans, happy hours, having 
to put extra time in at the office, lots of stuff... My thought was that 
fitting this in the morning, yes would be 'harder', but would actually be 
easier to fit into folks' already busy schedules... What better way to 
start your week than working on the projects that you enjoy?

However, I realize if I'm the only one who would show up at 6 a.m., then 
what's the point... Plus, lots of coders are the youngin' type... and 
those youngin' don't know what 6 a.m. looks like. :-)

Again, looking at the parallels to exercising and running clubs, I just 
checked out the Chicago Area Runners Association for their list of weekly 
"fun runs": http://www.cararuns.org/fun_runs/index.html

It looks like that Monday-Thursday, evenings at 6 or 6:30 are the most 
popular... and on the weekends, between 6 - 8 a.m. is the most popular 
start time. I'm not proposing we do this on the weekends, just yet...

Since I would like this to be a self-sustaining success from day-one... 
I'd rather have *more* people show up than less... So maybe I'd be fine if 
we did this from 6 - 8 *p.m.* to start. It really depends on what time 
would get the best turn-out.

To summarize the criteria to match ideally:
* Free Wifi
* Cheap, plentiful drinks (coffee if in the morning, sodas/beer(?) if in 
the evenings.)
* Comfy seats
* Electricity for laptops
* An eclectic mix of Python, Perl, Ruby, PHP, Java, .Net, and JavaScript 
hackers
* Somewhat centrally located downtown, easy to get to, close to the "L"...

I'd like to kick this off the week of June 19... (Gives me a week to get 
more feedback and scout more locations).

-Jason

From fawad at fawad.net  Sat Jun 10 00:57:32 2006
From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:57:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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Great idea, except for the 6:00 part. I come in from the 'burbs and would have to get up at 3:00 to make it. Afternoons would be a lot better for me.

Speaking of sprints, we started a django meetup clone app at the last sprint, and needs a little love. It'd be nice if someone could make it at least good enough to use for scheduling chipy meetings.

Regards
-fawad

On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:14:15 -0500, Jason R Huggins <JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM> wrote:
> Hey gang, sorry I missed the meeting last night... Hope it lived up to the
> hype. :-)
> 
> In other news, I was thinking... (and watch out when I start to think
> outloud)...
> 
> I'm waaaaay over due in updating my Oracle DB support patch for the Django
> framework.. So it turns out that late at night, I'd rather read boring
> comments on Reddit or Slashdot than actually write code... Which reminded
> of one of the cures for that... Coding Sprints and Paired Programming...
> Having someone looking over your shoulder... or being in a room with
> others working on similar tasks help to keep you focused...
> 
> Which got me thinking more.... getting the motivation to write open source
> software when I'm not paid to do it is alot like getting the motivation to
> go exercise... It helps to have a buddy or team to train with...
> 
> Which got me thinking more... what if every week there was a "mini-sprint"
> held at some central location downtown where folks can meet up and code...
> Kind of like a "running club", but for coders. A coffee shop with WiFi
> near Millennium Park might work, or perhaps the food court in Citibank
> Plaza . To fit into the work schedule of people who get paid to do other
> things, the "sprint" would be before or after the standard 8-5 work
> schedule of most office dwellers....
> 
> My proposal is that every Monday morning from 6 a.m. to 8 a.m., open
> source hackers meet somewhere in downtown Chicago and work on the projects
> that interest them... We could even setup projectors and let bystanders
> help find bugs on the big screen... or having a big screen would just
> serve to bystanders as a window into the wacky world of non-paid software
> development. Perhaps, I'll even find someone who wants to help me with the
> Oracle/Django patch... and it'll reduce my temptation to just loaf around
> and read Slashdot....
> 
> This doesn't have to be Python-specific.... Rubyists, Perl Mongers,
> PHPimps, and Javanauts are welcome, too. Forget the Lispers, though.. they
> talk funny.
> 
> Thoughts? Rebuttals? Flames?
> 
> -Jason
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From skip at pobox.com  Sat Jun 10 01:03:15 2006
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:03:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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    Jason> Don't forget about free Coffee Mondays at McDonalds! :-) I think
    Jason> we should do the sprint at the food court on the first floor of
    Jason> Citicorp Center. And lots of seats... Don't know about net
    Jason> access, though.

That would certainly be convenient for me.  The Metra train I ride ends up
there.  The first train doesn't get in until about 6:15 though.  I don't
drink coffee, though I am (unfortunately) partial to Egg McMuffins.

Maybe the Corner Bakery upstairs has wi-fi...

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Sat Jun 10 01:09:50 2006
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:09:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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    Jason> And yeah, I don't whether "Loop" or "Lincoln Park" would work
    Jason> better...  Really depends who would show up.

The Belmont L stop works for me as well.  I actually live between the Metra
and the Purple Line in Evanston and the Belmont stop is the first Purple
stop after Howard.

Oh, I'll be away on vacation the next two weeks, so if I fail to show up,
don't think I've dissed the idea.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Sat Jun 10 01:12:58 2006
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:12:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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    Jason> However, I realize if I'm the only one who would show up at 6
    Jason> a.m., then what's the point... Plus, lots of coders are the
    Jason> youngin' type... and those youngin' don't know what 6 a.m. looks
    Jason> like. :-)

I'm also not a youngin' and am easier able to free up early morning than
late afternoon/early evening.

Skip

From daniel.delapava at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 01:15:13 2006
From: daniel.delapava at gmail.com (Daniel Delapava)
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:15:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] rdiff-backup --restore-file-owner?
Message-ID: <448A0101.6080008@gmail.com>

This came to my attention today:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/rdiff-backup-users/2006-05/msg00130.html

Has anyone tried a script to do that?  Ideas?

Hmm.. maybe even a nice exercise for a sprint :)


Cheers
Daniel






From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Sat Jun 10 03:24:12 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:24:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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Ted Pollari wrote:
> Panera Bread (far superior to Starbucks IMHO) has free wifi and good 
> food
> There's one located at 525 S. State street (state and congress) and 
> it opens at 6:00 am)

Hmm... I don't know... I'm not against it, but it sounds a little too far 
South to make it easy to get to...

Another place that has free Wifi is the Allegro hotel (Randolph and 
LaSalle)... ('twas also my suggestion for hosting PyCon '08)...
http://www.allegrochicago.com/alleg_nei_map.html

I'll check Allegro out next week and see if they'd be cool about it... I 
need to talk to them about hosting PyCon, anyway.

John Melesky wrote:
> > The Starbucks at LaSalle and Lake opens at 5:30am. Is that a 
> > reasonable
> > place for the first meeting?

I think the location is good... but... a bunch of hipsters with laptops at 
a Starbucks sounds so... typical... I'm looking for something a little 
more post-modern. :-) (Just kidding.) A Starbucks might be fine... but a 
place with free Wifi would be ideal.)

Another place that crossed my mind is the DePaul student center... the 
home of last December's famous Snakes and Rubies event. Man that place was 
cool. Perhaps, we could get the DePaul Linux group to sponsor again?

Anyway, I guess it comes down to 2 general places... somewhere in the Loop 
(where many techies work), or somewhere in Lincoln Park (where many 
techies live)... 

Too bad the place where TECHcocktail is taking place doesn't open until at 
10:30 a.m... Hmm... on that note perhaps, I should join efforts and call 
this thing "TECHcoffee"? ;-) 

- Jason

From jawolter at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 04:44:08 2006
From: jawolter at gmail.com (Jonathan Andrew Wolter)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:44:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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Jason,

Too bad the place where TECHcocktail is taking place doesn't open until at
> 10:30 a.m... Hmm... on that note perhaps, I should join efforts and call
> this thing "TECHcoffee"? ;-)
>

Hehe, That's a great idea. I could see Chicago competing with Silicon
Valley's TechCrunch, MobileCrunch, CrunchNotes, etc... with TECHcocktail,
TECHsocial, and TECHcoffee -- our own network of local tech events.

Oh, and I'm a young'in and can make a 6am appointment in the loop. Sounds
like a blast!

-Jonathan Andrew Wolter
TECHsocial.com - Chicago tech event listing
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From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Sat Jun 10 04:57:19 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:57:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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Jonathan Andrew Wolter wrote on 06/09/2006 09:44:08 PM:

> Too bad the place where TECHcocktail is taking place doesn't open until 
at 
> 10:30 a.m... Hmm... on that note perhaps, I should join efforts and call
> this thing "TECHcoffee"? ;-)
> 
> Hehe, That's a great idea. I could see Chicago competing with Silicon 
> Valley's TechCrunch, MobileCrunch, CrunchNotes, etc... with 
> TECHcocktail, TECHsocial, and TECHcoffee -- our own network of local 
> tech events. 
> 
> Oh, and I'm a young'in and can make a 6am appointment in the loop. 
> Sounds like a blast!

Okay, I just registered TECHcoffee.com. Now I have to go seek out the 
other Chicago TECH*.com sites to let them know I'm riding their 
TECHcoattails. ;-)

-Jason

From david at graniteweb.com  Sat Jun 10 18:33:27 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:33:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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* Adrian Holovaty <chipy at holovaty.com> [2006-06-09 15:25]:
> Jason R Huggins wrote:
> > My proposal is that every Monday morning from 6 a.m. to 8 a.m., open
> > source hackers meet somewhere in downtown Chicago and work on the projects
> > that interest them... 
> 
> That sounds fantastic! I'd totally do that. But... 6 a.m. on a Monday?

That pretty much eliminates any Suburban activity. :-(

-- 
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com

From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Sat Jun 10 19:48:33 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:48:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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> > That sounds fantastic! I'd totally do that. But... 6 a.m. on a Monday?
> 
> That pretty much eliminates any Suburban activity. :-(

Yeah, there's no way to find a time/place/date that would please 
everyone... However, suburbanites are welcome to create their own 
"TECHcoffee" meetup franchises in their locale. :-)

-Jason



From tcp at uchicago.edu  Sat Jun 10 22:31:58 2006
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:31:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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On Jun 10, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Jason R Huggins wrote:

>>> That sounds fantastic! I'd totally do that. But... 6 a.m. on a  
>>> Monday?
>>
>> That pretty much eliminates any Suburban activity. :-(
>
> Yeah, there's no way to find a time/place/date that would please
> everyone... However, suburbanites are welcome to create their own
> "TECHcoffee" meetup franchises in their locale. :-)
>

For the record, I live an hour out via metra and I'm still  
considering doing this early morning thing.  (like I said before...  
copious amounts of coffee will be required ;)

(I still reserve the right to decide it's too damned early...)

And the place in Lincoln park actually doesn't sound too bad -- that  
way I could drive in and find parking, something a downtown location  
would be lacking...well, free parking, anyway

-t

-- 
Ted Pollari


From list at phaedrusdeinus.org  Sun Jun 11 00:34:55 2006
From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (John Melesky)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:34:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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Jason R Huggins wrote:
> Anyway, I guess it comes down to 2 general places... somewhere in the Loop 
> (where many techies work), or somewhere in Lincoln Park (where many 
> techies live)... 

The benefit of the Loop, from my perspective, is that even if you don't
work there, you might pass through there to get to work. If you're
city->burbs or vice versa, you may well be hitting Union or Ogilvie. If
you're north->Loop, north->south, north->west, or any other random
combo, there's probably a way to take a train in and then back out
without much backtracking.

Of course, take this with a grain of salt -- i'm on the near west side
and go downtown to pick up a train to the burbs. Still, if we have a
couple Metra inbound riders who are interested, it probably makes sense
to keep it in or close to the Loop.

And i'd still prefer the morning times, and would commit to them if the
location was easily reachable. It's much easier to drop out of a regular
evening thing, especially with my fabulous jet-setter schedule. Ahem.

-johnnnnnnnnnn


From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 05:33:51 2006
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:33:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago]  Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
Message-ID: <49d805d70606102033y5758828dn3f34bbec0687a783@mail.gmail.com>

> Okay, I just registered TECHcoffee.com. Now I have to go seek out the
> other Chicago TECH*.com sites to let them know I'm riding their
> TECHcoattails. ;-)

So will building TECHcoffee be the focus of the first sprint?  And
when is the first sprint?  This Monday?

From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Sun Jun 11 18:33:05 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:33:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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Joshua McAdams wrote on 06/10/2006 10:33:51 PM:
> So will building TECHcoffee be the focus of the first sprint?  And
> when is the first sprint?  This Monday?

1) I hope building TECHcoffee won't take much time at all, at least at 
first...

On that note, I've 'created' one already:
http://techcoffee.infogami.com/

(Infogami is run by the same guys who run Reddit.com and created the 
web.py library. Infogami is a wiki-ish, blog-ish, web-site creation tool, 
that I'm *pretty sure* is also written in Python.)

I imagine a more taylor-made site for TECHcoffee could be useful, but 
those requirements won't emerge until we have one or two TECHcoffees 
completed.

2) I should be careful how I describe what the focus of the sprints will 
be. The goal for TECHcoffee (the way I see) is to foster getting hackers 
together in a place to work together (or solo) on the projects that they 
care about... So if 5 people show up... there could be 5 projects being 
worked on... I imagine it more like a cross between "study hall" and a 
running club... Of course, if 5 people show up and work on 1 project (like 
the ChiPy meeting scheduler webapp), then that's totally cool too. The 
point is, by making a weekly commitment to show up, the chances of cool 
stuff getting done increases (I hope) quite a bit. In the spirit of 
OpenSpaces 
(http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/wiki.cgi?OpenSpaceExplanations), the 
whole point (for me) is to facilitate the place to meet... What gets 
worked on and by whom is up to the people who show up.

3) *Not* this Monday (June 12) at least officially...  I'll go out on a 
limb here and say the first TECHcoffee will be Monday, June 19th, 6-8 a.m. 
in the Loop (near an L stop I hope). Place to be determined.

I, however, will be going on a "scouting" mission tomorrow morning to 
scout out possible sites for the first meetup. I also want to give it a 
week for the news to spread out to the Ruby/Perl/PHP/.NET/Java 
communities, have a few folks hype/blog it, and get some "buzz". 

If other folks on this list want to wake up tomorrow and start scouting 
out locations between 6 - 8 a.m., too, that's totally cool. How bout this:

Taking John Melesky's suggestion... I hope to be done scouting around 7:30 
and will be at the Starbucks at LaSalle and Lake from 7:45 to 8 a.m. If 
anyone else wants to go scouting, too... Do it on your own (or email me if 
you want to tag along), but let's meetup at the Starbucks to compare notes 
at 7:45. Just ask the folks at the counter where I'm (Jason Huggins) 
sitting.

My scouting sites for tomorrow are:
* Citigroup Center/Ogilvie
* Starbucks/Panera/Cosi/Corner Bakery (which ones yet to be determined)
* Allegro hotel

- Jason

From rcriii at ramsdells.net  Sun Jun 11 19:05:13 2006
From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (Robert Ramsdell)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:05:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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What say you David?  There is a Starbucks not too far from your office.
If I squint at the map it's on the way to work for me.

On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 12:48 -0500, Jason R Huggins wrote:
> > > That sounds fantastic! I'd totally do that. But... 6 a.m. on a Monday?
> > 
> > That pretty much eliminates any Suburban activity. :-(
> 
> Yeah, there's no way to find a time/place/date that would please 
> everyone... However, suburbanites are welcome to create their own 
> "TECHcoffee" meetup franchises in their locale. :-)
> 
> -Jason
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 


From jawolter at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 20:56:54 2006
From: jawolter at gmail.com (Jonathan Andrew Wolter)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:56:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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This sounds great!

.. I imagine it more like a cross between "study hall" and a
> running club...


I can imagine the taglines already, "Chicago's running club for hackers" or
"A running club for caffeine-infused developers"

The site looks good too! I'm looking forward to our first meetup, or should
we call it, "practice" or "training"...
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From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Sun Jun 11 21:52:18 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:52:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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Jonathan Andrew Wolter wrote on 06/11/2006 01:56:54 PM:

> This sounds great!
> 
> ".. I imagine it more like a cross between "study hall" and a 
> running club... "
> I can imagine the taglines already, "Chicago's running club for 
> hackers" or "A running club for caffeine-infused developers"

Hmmm... perhaps I could have also described it a "mashup for the 
meatspace". :-)

> The site looks good too! I'm looking forward to our first meetup, or 
> should we call it, "practice" or "training"... 

Well, thank the guys at infogami. :-) All I did was paste in a copy of my 
original proposal.

-Jason

From PRobare at chx.com  Sun Jun 11 21:40:24 2006
From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:40:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB753@MX3.chx.com>

Jason R Huggins on Friday, June 09, 2006 9:57 PM wrote:
> > Jonathan Andrew Wolter wrote on 06/09/2006 09:44:08 PM:
> 
> > Hmm... on that note perhaps, I should join efforts and call
> > this thing "TECHcoffee"? ;-)
> > 
> > Hehe, That's a great idea. I could see Chicago competing with
Silicon 
> > Valley's TechCrunch, MobileCrunch, CrunchNotes, etc... with 
> > TECHcocktail, TECHsocial, and TECHcoffee -- our own network of local

> > tech events. 
> 
> Okay, I just registered TECHcoffee.com. Now I have to go seek out the 
> other Chicago TECH*.com sites to let them know I'm riding their 
> TECHcoattails. ;-)
> 
> -Jason
> 

Thanks for hopping on that Jason.

Just registering the site name is not enough.  We should register it as
an official service mark for ChiPy so its use can be controlled.  We
wouldn't want a large corporation muscling in with TECHCoffee.NET or
TECHCoffee Enterprise Edition :-) .  As it is success will probably
bring Richard Stallman by to tell us it should properly be called
GNU/TECHCoffee.

From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Sun Jun 11 22:30:30 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:30:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB753@MX3.chx.com>
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Robare, Phil wrote on 06/11/2006 02:40:24 PM:
> As it is success will probably
> bring Richard Stallman by to tell us it should properly be called
> GNU/TECHCoffee.

And if we can get David Heinemeier Hansson (now based in Chicago!) to join 
the fun, I'd consider calling it "GNU/TECHcoffeeOnRails"
Maybe if we all met in the same car on the same L train at the same time, 
that wouldn't be a bad description. ;-)

On that note, at the risk of splintering this discussion, but starting to 
leverage the "TECHcoffee" website, I'd like to encourage folks to start 
adding comments on the idea here:

http://techcoffee.infogami.com/comments_on_the_idea


Feel free to forward the link (http://techcoffee.infogami.com) to other 
Chicago users groups, blog about it, print flyers, tell your friends on 
MySpace, Skype your buddies, or get a microphone and start proselytizing 
about in front of Carsons at State and Washington. Either way, get the 
word out... On June 19th, hackers will meet and code will be written... oh 
yes... code *will* be written.

- jason

From maney at two14.net  Mon Jun 12 00:49:26 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:49:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <1150045513.4197.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 12:05:13PM -0500, Robert Ramsdell wrote:
> What say you David?  There is a Starbucks not too far from your office.
> If I squint at the map it's on the way to work for me.

I dislike charbuck$, but since I more or less stopped drinking coffee a
little while ago, I suppose that's not a fatal impediment.  That leaves
the time, with something like 6 AM being much too damned early now
(don't have to get up early in the summer) and not early enough during
the school year (when I'm normally out the door about 6:30)...

Do we really have to stick with mornings here?

-- 
The phenomenon of financial excess associated with
promising novel technologies is a recurring feature
of the last two centuries.  -- Andrew Odlyzko


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Jun 12 01:10:56 2006
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:10:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <OF09DEC55E.CE8EB1F4-ON8625718A.0045B434-8625718A.005AEC39@thoughtworks.com>
References: <49d805d70606102033y5758828dn3f34bbec0687a783@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF09DEC55E.CE8EB1F4-ON8625718A.0045B434-8625718A.005AEC39@thoughtworks.com>
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    >> So will building TECHcoffee be the focus of the first sprint?  And
    >> when is the first sprint?  This Monday?

    Jason> 1) I hope building TECHcoffee won't take much time at all, at
    Jason>    least at first...

You can always just put up a blank wiki and blame lack of progress on the
user community. ;-)

Skip

From david at graniteweb.com  Mon Jun 12 18:29:14 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:29:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <20060611224926.GA18240@furrr.two14.net>
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* Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> [2006-06-11 17:49]:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 12:05:13PM -0500, Robert Ramsdell wrote:
> > What say you David?  There is a Starbucks not too far from your office.
> > If I squint at the map it's on the way to work for me.
> 
> I dislike charbuck$, but since I more or less stopped drinking coffee a
> little while ago, I suppose that's not a fatal impediment.  That leaves
> the time, with something like 6 AM being much too damned early now
> (don't have to get up early in the summer) and not early enough during
> the school year (when I'm normally out the door about 6:30)...
> 
> Do we really have to stick with mornings here?

Well, it sounds like it would be our own gig, so we can make up whatever
rules we want.  If we were to do such a thing, it would benefit the
group that lives AND works in the burbs.  That seems to be the niche
that's really getting left out.

-- 
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com

From jbalint at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 19:07:08 2006
From: jbalint at gmail.com (Jess Balint)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:07:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <OF09DEC55E.CE8EB1F4-ON8625718A.0045B434-8625718A.005AEC39@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <448da001.748b087c.1afe.3ad7@mx.gmail.com>

How'd the scouting go?

-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Jason R Huggins
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:33 AM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?

Joshua McAdams wrote on 06/10/2006 10:33:51 PM:
> So will building TECHcoffee be the focus of the first sprint?  And
> when is the first sprint?  This Monday?

1) I hope building TECHcoffee won't take much time at all, at least at 
first...

On that note, I've 'created' one already:
http://techcoffee.infogami.com/

(Infogami is run by the same guys who run Reddit.com and created the 
web.py library. Infogami is a wiki-ish, blog-ish, web-site creation tool, 
that I'm *pretty sure* is also written in Python.)

I imagine a more taylor-made site for TECHcoffee could be useful, but 
those requirements won't emerge until we have one or two TECHcoffees 
completed.

2) I should be careful how I describe what the focus of the sprints will 
be. The goal for TECHcoffee (the way I see) is to foster getting hackers 
together in a place to work together (or solo) on the projects that they 
care about... So if 5 people show up... there could be 5 projects being 
worked on... I imagine it more like a cross between "study hall" and a 
running club... Of course, if 5 people show up and work on 1 project (like 
the ChiPy meeting scheduler webapp), then that's totally cool too. The 
point is, by making a weekly commitment to show up, the chances of cool 
stuff getting done increases (I hope) quite a bit. In the spirit of 
OpenSpaces 
(http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/wiki.cgi?OpenSpaceExplanations), the 
whole point (for me) is to facilitate the place to meet... What gets 
worked on and by whom is up to the people who show up.

3) *Not* this Monday (June 12) at least officially...  I'll go out on a 
limb here and say the first TECHcoffee will be Monday, June 19th, 6-8 a.m. 
in the Loop (near an L stop I hope). Place to be determined.

I, however, will be going on a "scouting" mission tomorrow morning to 
scout out possible sites for the first meetup. I also want to give it a 
week for the news to spread out to the Ruby/Perl/PHP/.NET/Java 
communities, have a few folks hype/blog it, and get some "buzz". 

If other folks on this list want to wake up tomorrow and start scouting 
out locations between 6 - 8 a.m., too, that's totally cool. How bout this:

Taking John Melesky's suggestion... I hope to be done scouting around 7:30 
and will be at the Starbucks at LaSalle and Lake from 7:45 to 8 a.m. If 
anyone else wants to go scouting, too... Do it on your own (or email me if 
you want to tag along), but let's meetup at the Starbucks to compare notes 
at 7:45. Just ask the folks at the counter where I'm (Jason Huggins) 
sitting.

My scouting sites for tomorrow are:
* Citigroup Center/Ogilvie
* Starbucks/Panera/Cosi/Corner Bakery (which ones yet to be determined)
* Allegro hotel

- Jason
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From maney at two14.net  Mon Jun 12 21:36:34 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:36:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
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On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 11:29:14AM -0500, David Rock wrote:
> Well, it sounds like it would be our own gig, so we can make up whatever
> rules we want.

Sure.  I wasn't certain if the early-early time was actively preferred
or if it was just an inherited default.

> If we were to do such a thing, it would benefit the group that lives
> AND works in the burbs.  That seems to be the niche that's really
> getting left out.

Yeah, and the pity is that, just as with the regular meetings, there's
just too much space out here for any one place to suit - or even to be
doable - for everyone.  But we're all in this part of space, so... 
<shrug>.  I have had the thought that Axicom has a nice room that seems
to be readily available after hours, even if Tursdays are untouchable
for a while. :-)

-- 
Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh'er va ivbyngvba bs
gur Qvtvgny Zvyyraavhz Pbclevtug Npg.  -- anon.


From rcriii at ramsdells.net  Mon Jun 12 21:44:56 2006
From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (rcriii at ramsdells.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:44:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <20060612193634.GA7539@furrr.two14.net>
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There is also the coffee shop at Fry's across the street, or one of the
area libraries (not good for early mornings).

Actually I like the early morning idea. It's easier to justify leaving the
house early than getting in late, especially in the summer when the rest
of the family sleeps in.

Robert

> On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 11:29:14AM -0500, David Rock wrote:
>> Well, it sounds like it would be our own gig, so we can make up whatever
>> rules we want.
>
> Sure.  I wasn't certain if the early-early time was actively preferred
> or if it was just an inherited default.
>
>> If we were to do such a thing, it would benefit the group that lives
>> AND works in the burbs.  That seems to be the niche that's really
>> getting left out.
>
> Yeah, and the pity is that, just as with the regular meetings, there's
> just too much space out here for any one place to suit - or even to be
> doable - for everyone.  But we're all in this part of space, so...
> <shrug>.  I have had the thought that Axicom has a nice room that seems
> to be readily available after hours, even if Tursdays are untouchable
> for a while. :-)
>
> --
> Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh'er va ivbyngvba bs
> gur Qvtvgny Zvyyraavhz Pbclevtug Npg.  -- anon.
>
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From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Tue Jun 13 08:52:59 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:52:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints? - Scouting
 report results
In-Reply-To: <448da001.748b087c.1afe.3ad7@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF52538E1B.447B5D80-ON8625718C.001F50BD-8625718C.0025D63C@thoughtworks.com>

chicago-bounces at python.org wrote on 06/12/2006 12:07:08 PM:

> How'd the scouting go?

I updated the techcoffee.infogami.com site with the report:
http://techcoffee.infogami.com/blog/

Summary:
After checking out just a few of the many coffee shops and restaurants in 
the La Salle / Lake "coffee corridor"... I've decided the first TECHcoffee 
sprint will be at Caribou Coffee. (Northwest corner La Salle/Lake) 

The main reasons are:
* Opens at 5:30 a.m.
* Caribou has the cheapest wifi day passes in that area ($4 for 2 hours). 
Not free, but close enough.
* Nice "cozy" setting
* La Salle / Lake is the probably the most convenient spot. All El trains 
intersect there. (Not so convenient if you travel in/out of Ogilvie or 
Union Station, but heh, blame the city planners, not me. ;-)

Personal thoughts on the day/time:
Yes, waking up that early is pretty freakin hard to do. (I did not want to 
get out of bed). (And even then, I was even an hour "late"-- didn't get 
downtown until 7.) But I think it's worth it to get the day going that 
early. An extra bonus is the time I had to work on the train, coming in 
this early... I can actually get a seat on the El and use my laptop.

Other thoughts:
I'm thinking that for starters, people should consider this a "Summer 
thing" only for now... If we only be do TECHcoffees until Labor Day, it 
might make it easier to commit to, since it's not a "forever" thing.


On that note, see you next week at Caribou if you want to work on Django 
(or some other OSS that interests you)!

-Jason

From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Tue Jun 13 09:59:30 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:59:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints? - Scouting
 report results
Message-ID: <OFCA3D9532.5EB3C524-ON8625718C.002A4621-8625718C.002BED5D@thoughtworks.com>

Jason R Huggins/Corporate/ThoughtWorks/US wrote on 06/13/2006 01:52:59 AM:
> * Caribou has the cheapest wifi day passes in that area ($4 for 2 
> hours). Not free, but close enough.

Doh.. I meant it was the cheapest wifi option that covers that time frame 
(6 to 8 a.m.). A day pass would be more expensive.

-Jason


From brian at planetshwoop.com  Tue Jun 13 17:39:37 2006
From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:39:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Powerpoint alternative?
Message-ID: <44226.63.73.213.5.1150213177.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>


Someone here suggested an XHTML alternative to Powerpoint.  I looked
quickly through the mailing list archives and couldn't find it.  Refresh
my memory please?

brian

--
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http://www.planetshwoop.com/


From varmaa at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 17:48:52 2006
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:48:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Powerpoint alternative?
In-Reply-To: <44226.63.73.213.5.1150213177.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
References: <44226.63.73.213.5.1150213177.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
Message-ID: <361b27370606130848o6113fde2h66503d60cb2a670e@mail.gmail.com>

I believe it was S5:

http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/

- Atul

On 6/13/06, Brian Sobolak <brian at planetshwoop.com> wrote:
>
> Someone here suggested an XHTML alternative to Powerpoint.  I looked
> quickly through the mailing list archives and couldn't find it.  Refresh
> my memory please?
>
> brian
>
> --
> Brian Sobolak
> http://www.planetshwoop.com/
>
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From ianb at colorstudy.com  Tue Jun 13 17:53:06 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:53:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Powerpoint alternative?
In-Reply-To: <44226.63.73.213.5.1150213177.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
References: <44226.63.73.213.5.1150213177.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
Message-ID: <448EDF62.7090007@colorstudy.com>

Brian Sobolak wrote:
> Someone here suggested an XHTML alternative to Powerpoint.  I looked
> quickly through the mailing list archives and couldn't find it.  Refresh
> my memory please?

Probably S5: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/

Also the newest version of docutils has a renderer from restructured 
text to S5: http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/slide-shows.html

From varmaa at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 17:53:29 2006
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:53:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Powerpoint alternative?
In-Reply-To: <361b27370606130848o6113fde2h66503d60cb2a670e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44226.63.73.213.5.1150213177.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
	<361b27370606130848o6113fde2h66503d60cb2a670e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <361b27370606130853p2b4b5c71m21f2f37c6d461bb5@mail.gmail.com>

Also, although I haven't tried this solution, it is apparently
possible to combine reStructuredText with s5 using docutils:

http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/slide-shows.html

- Atul

On 6/13/06, Atul Varma <varmaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> I believe it was S5:
>
> http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/
>
> - Atul
>
> On 6/13/06, Brian Sobolak <brian at planetshwoop.com> wrote:
> >
> > Someone here suggested an XHTML alternative to Powerpoint.  I looked
> > quickly through the mailing list archives and couldn't find it.  Refresh
> > my memory please?
> >
> > brian
> >
> > --
> > Brian Sobolak
> > http://www.planetshwoop.com/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>

From brian at planetshwoop.com  Tue Jun 13 17:58:54 2006
From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:58:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Powerpoint alternative?
In-Reply-To: <448EDD96.9090505@nd.edu>
References: <44226.63.73.213.5.1150213177.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
	<448EDD96.9090505@nd.edu>
Message-ID: <57056.63.73.213.5.1150214334.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>


Ray Hernandez wrote:
> Brian Sobolak wrote:
>> Someone here suggested an XHTML alternative to Powerpoint.  I looked
>> quickly through the mailing list archives and couldn't find it.  Refresh
>> my memory please?
>
> Probably S5.
> http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/

Most indeed.  Thank you.

Nothing like using nifty web technologies for a presentation about....
Lotus Notes.

brian


--
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http://www.planetshwoop.com/


From ianb at colorstudy.com  Tue Jun 13 17:58:47 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:58:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [Fwd: Pygame.draw challenge]
Message-ID: <448EE0B7.3050301@colorstudy.com>

No Chicago takers on that last challenge, but maybe this one?

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Pygame.draw challenge
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:18:58 +1000
From: richard at pyweek.org

<http://media.pyweek.org/static/pygame.draw-0606.html>

THE CHALLENGE:

Create a game in 64kbytes of source code using only pygame. No additional
libraries, no external files (even ones loaded from a network). That 
means no
PyOpenGL, no PNGs, no OGGs.


THE DEADLINE:

Start as soon as you read this announcement.

Human-readable, Linux-compatible entries must be received by
richard at pyweek.org before midnight on the 25th of June, 2006. That's
Australian Eastern Standard Time, which is UTC +10.

Multiple entries are allowed. Teams are allowed. Monkeys are allowed! 
Ponies,
sadly, are not allowed.


THE RESULTS:

All entries will be posted to a page on the http://www.pyweek.org/ website.

Entry gameplay instructions and license must be included in the source 
or in
the game itself.

I will probably choose one of the entries as my favourite, and declare 
this in
various obscure fora and private email messages. No other mention of 
rankings
or favourites will be made.


THANKS:

Thanks to Phil Hassey for the challenge inspiration!

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From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Tue Jun 13 19:22:19 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:22:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Powerpoint alternative?
In-Reply-To: <57056.63.73.213.5.1150214334.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
Message-ID: <OF35C08B0C.31D66276-ON8625718C.005BF981-8625718C.005F6EC1@thoughtworks.com>

Ray Hernandez wrote:
> > Probably S5.
> > http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/

> Nothing like using nifty web technologies for a presentation about....
> Lotus Notes.

Yeah, I used S5, it's pretty good. Here's a sample S5 presentation I gave 
at FOSDEM'06 for my talk on Selenium:
http://jrandolph.com/selenium/fosdem2006/

It's nice that out of the all the "Web 2.0" apps out there trying to 
supplant bits of MS Office, S5 is the one that's free and open source.

Of course, it would be a nice experiment use Selenium to test s5 itself. 
;-)

One big tip that will help you when using s5: You edit in a text editor, 
but to see changes in the browser, you have to reload the page in the 
browser. (I'm sure there's some snazzy Rails/Ajax app that does this for 
you already... If not, there should be.)

But when you reload, you get sent back to the first page of your 
presentation. So, to fix this... if your presentation is loaded here:
http://jrandolph.com/selenium/fosdem2006

Then, when you're working on the text of slide #7, instead of reloading 
the above URL and clicking "next" 6 times to view it... load this URL 
instead:
http://jrandolph.com/selenium/fosdem2006/#7

It'll jump straight to slide #7.

I didn't know about this trick until way after the fact... Without knowing 
that trick, the editing/viewing cycle for slide #43 was quite annoying. 
:-) 

Cheers,
-Jason

From ray at nd.edu  Tue Jun 13 17:45:26 2006
From: ray at nd.edu (Ray Hernandez)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:45:26 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Powerpoint alternative?
In-Reply-To: <44226.63.73.213.5.1150213177.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
References: <44226.63.73.213.5.1150213177.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
Message-ID: <448EDD96.9090505@nd.edu>

Brian Sobolak wrote:
> Someone here suggested an XHTML alternative to Powerpoint.  I looked
> quickly through the mailing list archives and couldn't find it.  Refresh
> my memory please?

Probably S5.
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/

--Ray

From tundra at tundraware.com  Tue Jun 13 21:21:13 2006
From: tundra at tundraware.com (Tim Daneliuk)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:21:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Powerpoint alternative?
In-Reply-To: <448EDD96.9090505@nd.edu>
References: <44226.63.73.213.5.1150213177.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
	<448EDD96.9090505@nd.edu>
Message-ID: <448F1029.1070708@tundraware.com>

Ray Hernandez wrote:
> Brian Sobolak wrote:
>> Someone here suggested an XHTML alternative to Powerpoint.  I looked
>> quickly through the mailing list archives and couldn't find it.  Refresh
>> my memory please?
> 
> Probably S5.
> http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/
> 
> --Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> 

I've been using s5 with RestructuredText for several months now.  It
is a very nice toolset when what you want is a quick, basic slide
deck that can be displayed in a browser.  Hoever, "branding" it
is non-trivial - you have to be a CSS wizzard (I am not) - and it
is time consuming.

Another good alternative is Open Office v2.0.  The presentation tool
is quite compatible w/PowerPoint and OO is free...

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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Jun 14 22:27:29 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:27:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <OF5BAEF736.45774627-ON86257188.006F0781-86257188.006F2B57@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF5BAEF736.45774627-ON86257188.006F0781-86257188.006F2B57@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0606141327r278a529eo2061de66c7973428@mail.gmail.com>

There's been a thousand million replies in this thread.  I think it's
a neat idea.  Although 6am makes me nervous, I'm going to try my
darndest to be there this coming Monday.

I think wireless access is a bad idea.  Surfing leads to
not-doing-work.  Just ask my bosses.

How about we meet outside in the future?  That would be awesome.  I
would be way more likely to show up if I knew I was going to sit
outside for two hours before work.

That would be awesome to the max.

Chris

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Wed Jun 14 23:48:00 2006
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:48:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [Chirb] TECHcoffee
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0606141421l23119567tff455ce294673531@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD73BF426E@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0606141421l23119567tff455ce294673531@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44908410.1030007@colorstudy.com>

Ryan Platte wrote:
> Wow, I wish there was something like that here out west. Sounds great.
> 
> Would anyone want to do this in Lisle? I bet I could schedule our 
> conference room, doubt there'd be any conflicts!

There were also several suburbanites who were interested on the ChiPy 
list.  The only problem was finding a group in the burbs who is actually 
close enough to get together.  But given enough people...


From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Thu Jun 15 00:03:19 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:03:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0606141327r278a529eo2061de66c7973428@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF91589420.908ECE7C-ON8625718D.0070BBC1-8625718D.007927BB@thoughtworks.com>

chicago-bounces at python.org wrote on 06/14/2006 03:27:29 PM:

> There's been a thousand million replies in this thread.  I think it's
> a neat idea.  Although 6am makes me nervous, I'm going to try my
> darndest to be there this coming Monday.

:-) Sweet. Feel free to invite all your Django "friends" on MySpace, too. 
:-)

> I think wireless access is a bad idea.  Surfing leads to
> not-doing-work.  Just ask my bosses.

You mean, you're not paid to read ChiPy?! We need to find a donor and 
endow a chair or something!

> How about we meet outside in the future?  That would be awesome.  I
> would be way more likely to show up if I knew I was going to sit
> outside for two hours before work.
> That would be awesome to the max.

Actually, though you're kidding... there are a bunch of benches outside 
right next to Caribou Coffee. If the weather is nice, and your laptop 
screen can handle the glare, and you don't mind the sound of the El, it 
ain't bad. It would also be a great place for some MySpace dudez to 
organize a flash mob and order everyone to stand in line out the door of 
all the coffee shops at that corner waiting for their chance to order a 
venti decaf latte mochachino with soy. That would be awesomer!

Anyways, see you on Monday. Feel free to blog it, and especially email the 
other ChiCoder lists (Ruby, Perl, PHP, etc.)

-Jason

P.S. Digg! --> 
http://digg.com/programming/TECHcoffee_-_weekly_code_sprints_in_your_city

From david at graniteweb.com  Thu Jun 15 00:11:15 2006
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:11:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints? - Scouting report
	results
In-Reply-To: <OFCA3D9532.5EB3C524-ON8625718C.002A4621-8625718C.002BED5D@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OFCA3D9532.5EB3C524-ON8625718C.002A4621-8625718C.002BED5D@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <20060614221115.GC1957@wdfs.graniteweb.com>

One thing that has the potential to be an issue is the availability of
something to do.  Are we going to have problems if no-one has a project
they are currently working on?  What do we do then?

-- 
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 00:21:15 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:21:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fw: Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints?
In-Reply-To: <OF91589420.908ECE7C-ON8625718D.0070BBC1-8625718D.007927BB@thoughtworks.com>
References: <3096c19d0606141327r278a529eo2061de66c7973428@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF91589420.908ECE7C-ON8625718D.0070BBC1-8625718D.007927BB@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0606141521q1d905543x1bf94d473945a39d@mail.gmail.com>

> Actually, though you're kidding...

I was not kidding.  Outside rules.  I was thinking all those benches
just north of Wacker, on the river, by the new war memorial.

Myspace rules!

Chris

From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Thu Jun 15 00:48:38 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:48:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints? - Scouting
	report	results
In-Reply-To: <20060614221115.GC1957@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
Message-ID: <OF44D32115.57126C68-ON8625718D.007B0B43-8625718D.007D4DEB@thoughtworks.com>

David Rock wrote on 06/14/2006 05:11:15 PM:

> One thing that has the potential to be an issue is the availability of
> something to do.  Are we going to have problems if no-one has a project
> they are currently working on?  What do we do then?

Grab a ticket and get to work!

My two favorite projects:
Django -> http://code.djangoproject.com/report/15
Selenium -> http://jira.openqa.org/browse/SEL

:-)

-Jason

From tundra at tundraware.com  Thu Jun 15 05:24:22 2006
From: tundra at tundraware.com (Tim Daneliuk)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:24:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [Chirb] TECHcoffee
In-Reply-To: <44908410.1030007@colorstudy.com>
References: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD73BF426E@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>	<2f1a1dcb0606141421l23119567tff455ce294673531@mail.gmail.com>
	<44908410.1030007@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <4490D2E6.50000@tundraware.com>

Ian Bicking wrote:
> Ryan Platte wrote:
>> Wow, I wish there was something like that here out west. Sounds great.
>>
>> Would anyone want to do this in Lisle? I bet I could schedule our 
>> conference room, doubt there'd be any conflicts!
> 
> There were also several suburbanites who were interested on the ChiPy 
> list.  The only problem was finding a group in the burbs who is actually 
> close enough to get together.  But given enough people...
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> 

If the meetings were more often in the burbs, I attend when I could
I just had the oh-so pleasant experience of driving into the city
for a meeting during rush hour - Yikes!  The chipy meetings in the
city effectively mean the same thing.

What would be *really* cool is if we could find a venue near O'Hare.
That way, people from the city would be a relatively short train
ride away, and it would be reasonably central for us suburbanites.
I wonder if there is some sort of cheep/free space *inside* the airport.


-- 
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Tim Daneliuk     tundra at tundraware.com
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From pfein at pobox.com  Thu Jun 15 05:36:04 2006
From: pfein at pobox.com (Peter Fein)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:36:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [Chirb] TECHcoffee
In-Reply-To: <4490D2E6.50000@tundraware.com>
References: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD73BF426E@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
	<44908410.1030007@colorstudy.com> <4490D2E6.50000@tundraware.com>
Message-ID: <200606142236.04260.pfein@pobox.com>

On Wednesday 14 June 2006 10:24 pm, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> What would be *really* cool is if we could find a venue near O'Hare.
> That way, people from the city would be a relatively short train
> ride away, and it would be reasonably central for us suburbanites.

That relatively short train ride is about 2 hours each way on the El for me.  
Let's face it, Chicago's just big.

-- 
Peter Fein                                                     pfein at pobox.com
773-575-0694                                      Jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com
http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/                     irc://irc.freenode.net/#chipy

From tundra at tundraware.com  Thu Jun 15 07:56:45 2006
From: tundra at tundraware.com (Tim Daneliuk)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:56:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [Chirb] TECHcoffee
In-Reply-To: <200606142236.04260.pfein@pobox.com>
References: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD73BF426E@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>	<44908410.1030007@colorstudy.com>
	<4490D2E6.50000@tundraware.com>
	<200606142236.04260.pfein@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4490F69D.8070502@tundraware.com>

Peter Fein wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 June 2006 10:24 pm, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>> What would be *really* cool is if we could find a venue near O'Hare.
>> That way, people from the city would be a relatively short train
>> ride away, and it would be reasonably central for us suburbanites.
> 
> That relatively short train ride is about 2 hours each way on the El for me.  
> Let's face it, Chicago's just big.
> 

Yeah, I guess I was thinking of the Loop commute.  Sigh.  Well if and when
there are enough of us, I guess will end up with City and 'burbs meetings
as separate entities... one can only hope ;)

-- 
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Tim Daneliuk     tundra at tundraware.com
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From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Thu Jun 15 08:23:17 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 01:23:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [Chirb] TECHcoffee
In-Reply-To: <200606142236.04260.pfein@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <OFE5A5EA77.10F3C8F0-ON8625718E.0019404B-8625718E.002317D3@thoughtworks.com>

Peter Fein wrote on 06/14/2006 10:36:04 PM:

> On Wednesday 14 June 2006 10:24 pm, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> > What would be *really* cool is if we could find a venue near O'Hare.
> > That way, people from the city would be a relatively short train
> > ride away, and it would be reasonably central for us suburbanites.

I think the Hilton accross the street from Terminal 1(?) might pretty 
good. (They at least have a restaurant and large lobby). You can walk to 
it underground from the blue line stop.
 
> That relatively short train ride is about 2 hours each way on the El for 
me. 
> Let's face it, Chicago's just big.

Yup... But that's okay. But very much in the spirit of BarCamp (
http://barcamp.org/), I have no problem with, and would highly encourage, 
others to start their own "franchise" of TECHcoffee weekly 
meetup/mini-sprints/study hall/what-have-you events. The point is that if 
you're looking for an excuse to block out a short amount of time each week 
to work on some fun/open source/not-because-you-have-to/ software projects 
with or near other like-minded people, this should help foster that.

- Jason

From maney at two14.net  Thu Jun 15 21:24:17 2006
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:24:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Idea: weekly Chicago coding sprints? - Scouting
	report results
In-Reply-To: <20060614221115.GC1957@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
References: <OFCA3D9532.5EB3C524-ON8625718C.002A4621-8625718C.002BED5D@thoughtworks.com>
	<20060614221115.GC1957@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
Message-ID: <20060615192417.GC21735@furrr.two14.net>

On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 05:11:15PM -0500, David Rock wrote:
> One thing that has the potential to be an issue is the availability of
> something to do.  Are we going to have problems if no-one has a project
> they are currently working on?  What do we do then?

Browse c.l.p. - that can absorb any finite amount of time!

Okay, I saw someone else was asking about the Lisle area, so that's
four of us (that I know of - I seem to have missed Ian's find, or was
that off-list?) at least.  I've got a small project I was putzing with
(and haven't touched in about a week now) that I can toss on the table
if we can pick a trial balloon time and place.  Tomorrow morning is
right out, as I have an early appointment.  Anyone else sufficently
without a "normal" life that tomorrow after work sounds good?  Besides,
Fry's might have something on sale that I can't live without then...

-- 
To fix that one, I'd have to travel all the way back to the early eighties
and convince the BSD design team to improve the diagnostics abilities of
the Unix kernel in general, and of select(2) in particular.  And while I
could certainly do that, I'm worried of the consequences - the BSD vs.
System V split might never have happened, Unix would have ruled the world,
we'd all be programming in awk++, and Bill Gates would be an obscure
patent lawyer that no one had heard of.  -- Guido van Rossum


From ph at malaprop.org  Fri Jun 16 06:06:42 2006
From: ph at malaprop.org (Peter Harkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:06:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July!
In-Reply-To: <cfd86481d0f5c5403b818a23d950d28a@localhost>
References: <3096c19d0606090857x7e827dco77e3be281adc0dbb@mail.gmail.com>
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> Last night's meeting rocked. Harkin's talk on Unicode and PIL was very
> informative.

A couple folks expressed interest in source code after the meeting. It
promised to post it, and now I'm delivering:

http://push.cx/2006/ripping-unicode

- --
Peter Harkins  -  http://push.cx


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From ph at malaprop.org  Fri Jun 16 06:24:43 2006
From: ph at malaprop.org (Peter Harkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:24:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July!
In-Reply-To: <20060616040641.GA15534@malaprop.org>
References: <3096c19d0606090857x7e827dco77e3be281adc0dbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<cfd86481d0f5c5403b818a23d950d28a@localhost>
	<20060616040641.GA15534@malaprop.org>
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On Thu, Jun 15, 2006 at 11:06:42PM -0500, Peter Harkins wrote:
> A couple folks expressed interest in source code after the meeting. It
> promised to post it, and now I'm delivering:

Oops. It puts the pronoun in the basket.

--
Peter Harkins  -  http://push.cx



From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Mon Jun 19 22:22:53 2006
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:22:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] TECHcoffee - iteration 1 review
Message-ID: <OFB3C55813.1585396D-ON86257192.006E7B37-86257192.006FF59E@thoughtworks.com>

Posted here:
http://techcoffee.infogami.com/blog/first_meeting_recap

It's an interesting week, RailsConf is this week, and Yet Another Perl 
Conference next week.... Me? I'm just going to sit here and drink some 
coffee. :-)

There are many luminaries in town for these two events... If you happen to 
be on a first or last name basis with any of the RailsConf or YAPC 
keynoters or speakers, have them stop on by for some coffee and coding 
Monday morning. Consider TECHcoffee kinda like that 
"DynamicLanguagesConference" that we talked about at the ChiPy meeting 
last month, but this one is only 2 hours long, and costs $3. :-)

Did anyone in suburbia get up to code this morning?

-Jason

From fitz at red-bean.com  Wed Jun 21 20:45:57 2006
From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:45:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Job openings with Python/webware experience (forwarded
	from a friend of a friend)
Message-ID: <a5375ad50606211145q45f22121g1a8d7bb47642c3b7@mail.gmail.com>

FYI  (I think I've seen job postings here, so I hope this is
appropriate for the list).

-Fitz

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Randy Rose" <rrose at osg-global.com>
To: Will Rowe
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:40:48 -0500
Subject: RE: Contact Information/Job Description

My Client is looking for 2 Python, Java and or C/C++ application
developers using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,Reportlab and J2EE
Technologies.Database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2 and Oracle.
They are looking for minimum of 5 yrs of software development
experience doing robust,secure,scalable,high volume,commerical-grade
web applications. BA/BS or equivalent expereince. Financial and
business workflow development experience. Full Life Cycle development.
Please call me if you have any questions.

THX Randy

RANDY ROSE
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY RECRUITER - OSG Global
847-954-8053 - Toll Free: 800-940-7532 Ext. 8053

From jason at hostedlabs.com  Thu Jun 22 19:35:39 2006
From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:35:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [Fwd: Google.com engineering opportunities--in search of
	great talent]
Message-ID: <449AD4EB.6030502@hostedlabs.com>

All,

  Not sure if anyone would be interested, but it seems Google is hiring
like mad.  Thought I would pass it along.  

  The recruiter, Catherine, is really cool.  Feel free to drop her an
email if you're interested..

-jason


-------- Original Message -------

HI Jason,
 
I found your information online and apologize for the unsolicited email.
My name is Catherine Hansen, and I'm a recruiter for the Google.com
Engineering Leadership Group at Google.  This team is responsible for
supporting Google infrastructure as a whole, from systems high availability
to software production and the deployment of our innovative products and
services. As we continue to grow, we are in need of bright leaders like you
to drive the engineering changes on our team. 
 
I wanted to see if you may be interested in exploring engineering
opportunities with us.   We are seeking talented leaders and individual
contributors who also have hybrid, and current, expertise in coding,
algorithms, and UNIX/Linux networking to join our rapidly growing
organization.      We also look for experience with internet services
delivery and large scale distributed systems.  Management positions on this
team are very hands-on, so we need someone who wants to remain in the
trenches as well as serve as mentor to a team of our engineers.

 

We have positions open in the US in Mountain View (CA), Santa Monica (CA),
New York City, and Seattle, as well as Dublin (Ireland) and Bangalore
(India).  We could relocate you to any of these locations of your choice.  I
am enclosing job descriptions of two positions that may interest you.  

 

If you feel that any of these positions is something that may be of interest
to you, please send me an email so we can schedule a time to talk for half
an hour or so.   If you are not interested or available, but would like to
forward my name and contact information to your friends or colleagues, that
would be great as well. 

 

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon.

 
Catherine Hansen
hansenc at google.com
Google.com Engineering
Leadership Staffing Team 
1600 Amphitheatre Parkway 
Mountain View, CA 94043 

 


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From PRobare at chx.com  Thu Jun 22 22:53:52 2006
From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:53:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [Fwd: Google.com engineering opportunities--in search
	ofgreat talent]
Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB761@MX3.chx.com>

Yes, they are hiring but they are also making extremely strong pushes to
bring in lots of resumes.  You have a better chance of getting accepted
as an undergrad at Harvard or Stanford than you do at getting hired at
Google.  And rumors have it that if you are over about 35 and haven't
done something of national note yet your resume will probably be
shuffled aside.  And if you make it through the process and get hired -
Well I think MicroSerfs (by Douglas Coupland) could be updated.

-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Rexilius
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:36 PM
To: chicago at python.org; chiphpug-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net;
chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org
Subject: [Chicago] [Fwd: Google.com engineering opportunities--in search
ofgreat talent]

All,

  Not sure if anyone would be interested, but it seems Google is hiring
like mad.  Thought I would pass it along.  

  The recruiter, Catherine, is really cool.  Feel free to drop her an
email if you're interested..

-jason


-------- Original Message -------

HI Jason,
 
I found your information online and apologize for the unsolicited email.
My name is Catherine Hansen, and I'm a recruiter for the Google.com
Engineering Leadership Group at Google.  This team is responsible for
supporting Google infrastructure as a whole, from systems high
availability
to software production and the deployment of our innovative products and
services. As we continue to grow, we are in need of bright leaders like
you
to drive the engineering changes on our team. 
 
I wanted to see if you may be interested in exploring engineering
opportunities with us.   We are seeking talented leaders and individual
contributors who also have hybrid, and current, expertise in coding,
algorithms, and UNIX/Linux networking to join our rapidly growing
organization.      We also look for experience with internet services
delivery and large scale distributed systems.  Management positions on
this
team are very hands-on, so we need someone who wants to remain in the
trenches as well as serve as mentor to a team of our engineers.

 

We have positions open in the US in Mountain View (CA), Santa Monica
(CA),
New York City, and Seattle, as well as Dublin (Ireland) and Bangalore
(India).  We could relocate you to any of these locations of your
choice.  I
am enclosing job descriptions of two positions that may interest you.  

 

If you feel that any of these positions is something that may be of
interest
to you, please send me an email so we can schedule a time to talk for
half
an hour or so.   If you are not interested or available, but would like
to
forward my name and contact information to your friends or colleagues,
that
would be great as well. 

 

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon.

 
Catherine Hansen
hansenc at google.com
Google.com Engineering
Leadership Staffing Team 
1600 Amphitheatre Parkway 
Mountain View, CA 94043 

 



From fitz at red-bean.com  Sat Jun 24 00:02:41 2006
From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:02:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [Fwd: Google.com engineering opportunities--in search
	ofgreat talent]
In-Reply-To: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB761@MX3.chx.com>
References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB761@MX3.chx.com>
Message-ID: <a5375ad50606231502q558b8f66o3eb5d915816431fa@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/22/06, Robare, Phil <PRobare at chx.com> wrote:
> Yes, they are hiring but they are also making extremely strong pushes to
> bring in lots of resumes.  You have a better chance of getting accepted
> as an undergrad at Harvard or Stanford than you do at getting hired at
> Google.  And rumors have it that if you are over about 35 and haven't
> done something of national note yet your resume will probably be
> shuffled aside.  And if you make it through the process and get hired -
> Well I think MicroSerfs (by Douglas Coupland) could be updated.

*Whew*  Good thing I started when I was 34.  :-)

-Fitz, off to re-read Microserfs

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Jun 28 07:44:23 2006
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:44:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What to do when you have nothing else to do...
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References: <OFCA3D9532.5EB3C524-ON8625718C.002A4621-8625718C.002BED5D@thoughtworks.com>
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On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 05:11:15PM -0500, David Rock wrote:

> One thing that has the potential to be an issue is the availability of
> something to do.  Are we going to have problems if no-one has a project
> they are currently working on?  What do we do then?

Python 2.5 is in beta.  I'm sure that help reviewing/resolving outstanding
bug reports or just exercising it with various applications would be
appreciated by the development team.

I've been away for a couple weeks so current activity is not at my
fingertips, but you can probably check here:

    http://www.python.org/dev/

for clues about what needs doing.  Also, check the archives of the
python-dev at python.org mailing list.

Skip


From esinclai at pobox.com  Wed Jun 28 13:46:00 2006
From: esinclai at pobox.com (Eric Sinclair)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:46:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago FT Gig available
Message-ID: <B1C685DD-3BA9-43D8-B7CB-236CC5D285E0@pobox.com>

This is not language specific, but the team I work on at UBS has an  
opening for another 'chat application engineer' here in Chicago.   
We're involved in the engineering, management, upgrade and testing of  
our global chat infrastructure, and are looking for someone with  
strong application integration skills.

The full job listing is available by searching in Chicago at

    http://www.ubs.com/1/e/career_candidates/ 
experienced_professionals/searchforjobs.html

(this is position 5564BR), or possibly via direct link at

   http://tinyurl.com/odpro

Feel free to ping me if you have questions or interest.

-Eric

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From jason at hostedlabs.com  Wed Jun 28 22:41:50 2006
From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:41:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BARcamp Chicago 2006, July 15-16
Message-ID: <44A2E98E.1030509@hostedlabs.com>

Hey Everybody!

BARcamp Chicago has finally found a venue and picked a date (15-16
July)!  It looks like July is going to be a great month for the Chicago
tech community with BARcamp and TECHcocktail (6th July).

So an early thought I threw out for a BARcamp project, that I would like
to explore with you guys and gals is this:

Build a web company, from concept to live-product, during the BARcamp
weekend.  Similar to the 24-hour dot com event done a while back by some
Swedish kids at the Wizards of OS conference in Germany.  Take a look at
their site for background: http://24hdc.com/

My idea is to take that a step further as a showcase for these things:
- the new RAD platforms (RoR, Cake/Drupal/et al., Django/Zope/et al).
- the new Business Model for start-ups, Going Bedouin
http://www.charterstreet.com/2006/02/going_bedouin.html
- Chicago talent, creativity, and entrepreneurial spirit

I think it can also be a great way for the tech community to learn about
start-up details that we may not all know about being hidden safely away
in our job-cubicles.
So what I am proposing is that we make 3 teams, PHP, Python, and Ruby,
(wheres my perl peoples?), pick an idea or a topic, and build 3
companies.  A little friendly competition and exploration of ideas.

Does anyone have any interest for this type of a project?  Thoughts!

For more details see:

http://barcampchicago.com/index.php?wiki=The24hrDotCom

Chat more on the topic later...

-jason

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 23:17:32 2006
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:17:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July!
Message-ID: <3096c19d0606291417n4e73807dk1295f50888d22eb5@mail.gmail.com>

Kind of a wee bit early, but wanted to let you all know that we're on
for July 13th here at Performics.

Anyone planning on presenting?  I'd like to talk a little bit about
PyCon with everyone, and maybe show off some fancy Perl 6 stuff I
learned at YAPC?  Sure, we're a Python group, but we're open
minded...right?  right?

Anyone else?

Chris

From list at phaedrusdeinus.org  Thu Jun 29 23:49:00 2006
From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (John Melesky)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:49:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July!
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Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Anyone planning on presenting?

I *was* planning on doing a presentation of some PyScript stuff, but i
won't be able to make it to that meeting due to work stuff, so i'm going
to postpone till August.

-johnnnnnnnn



From chipy at trisko.net  Fri Jun 30 02:04:35 2006
From: chipy at trisko.net (Mike Trisko)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:04:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Job openings with Python/webware experience
 (forwarded from a friend of a friend)
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I think you may have seen postings from Textura LLC, and from the looks
of this I think it's from a recruiter we're working with.  We're still
looking to add a couple of good python web developers, and you can also
contact us directly if you're interested.

Mike Trisko
Textura LLC
847-582-1031
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From skip at pobox.com  Fri Jun 30 13:30:13 2006
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:30:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Monday morning ideas - Python 2.5
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Okay, I'm a little more up-to-date.  In a previous message I mentioned
Python 2.5 as something people could work on.  Here's a note from Neal
Norwitz to python-dev about what still needs doing for 2.5.

Skip

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