From jolley84 at yahoo.com.cn Wed Nov 1 13:29:46 2006 From: jolley84 at yahoo.com.cn (=?gb2312?q?=B7=C5=DC=F8=20=CC=B8?=) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:29:46 +0800 (CST) Subject: [Chicago] w:no module named *.* and __all__ is built strangely at line * and delayed exec statment detected at line * problem when with McMillan Installer Message-ID: <20061101122947.38195.qmail@web15615.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> hello,u all gus. i am bothered by a question about McMillan Installer those days,i was programming about something like bittornado,and after completion of the project, i intended to build up a single-exe file.and i choose McMillan Installer. below is something that i had done: first the spec file is here a = Analysis(os.path.join(HOMEPATH,'support\\_mountzlib.py'),PathDirectory\\myScript.py', pathex = ['PathDirectory\\Installer']) pyz = PYZ(a.pure) exe = EXE(pyz, a.scripts, a.binaries, name = 'myScript.exe', console = 1, debug = 0, upx = 1, strips = 0, icon = 'myIcon.ico') also my commandline operation include: first : installRootDir>python Makespec.py --onefile --upx --ascii -- debug --noconsole --icon myIcon.ico myScriptDir\myScript.py second: installRootDir>python Build.py installRootDir\myScript\myScript.spec and finally i get the exe file attached with the icon. but when i run it, it displays like this: Extracting binaries C:\Document setting\gzgame\local setting\temp\_MEI3792\*.PYD|*dll Setting up to run the child Setting magic environment var Creating child process Waiting for child process to finish Manipulating environment PYTHONPATH = C:\Document setting\gzgame\local setting\temp\_MEI3792;myScriptDir\support\ importing modules from CArchive iu and then it throwed out an exception and crashed.and i donot know why. in addition, it includes dozens of error messages here in the warnmyScript.txt such as : W: no module named BitTornado.createPeerID (top-level import by __main__) W: no module named BitTornado.report_email (top-level import by __main__) W: no module named BitTornado.version (top-level import by __main__) W: no module named Carbon (conditional import by tempfile) W: no module named EasyDialogs (conditional import by getpass) W: no module named MacOS (conditional import by profile) W: no module named MacOS (conditional import by py_compile) W: no module named MacOS (delayed, conditional import by wx._core) W: no module named SOCKS (top-level import by ftplib) W: no module named _emx_link (conditional import by os) W: no module named ctypes.windll (top-level import by readline.keysyms) W: no module named fcntl (delayed import by BitTornado.BT1.Storage) W: no module named fcntl (top-level import by tempfile) W: no module named gestalt (conditional import by ctypes) W: no module named ic (delayed import by urllib) W: no module named ic (top-level import by webbrowser) W: no module named org (top-level import by copy) W: no module named posix (conditional import by os) W: no module named posix (delayed, conditional import by iu) W: no module named pwd (delayed import by getpass) W: no module named pwd (delayed import by webbrowser) W: no module named pwd (delayed, conditional import by posixpath) W: no module named rourl2path (conditional import by urllib) W: no module named termios (top-level import by getpass) W: no module named win32com.client._get_good_object_ (top-level import by win32com.client.util) W: no module named wxPython.wx (top-level import by BitTornado.ConfigReader) W: no module named wxPython.wx (top-level import by __main__) W: __all__ is built strangely at line 0 - dis (C:\Python24\lib\dis.pyc) W: delayed __import__ hack detected at line 0 - optparse (C:\Python24\lib\optparse.pyc) W: __all__ is built strangely at line 0 - tokenize (C:\Python24\lib\tokenize.pyc) W: delayed exec statment detected at line 0 - profile (C:\Python24\lib\profile.pyc) W: delayed conditional eval hack detected at line 0 - gopherlib (C:\Python24\lib\gopherlib.pyc) W: delayed __import__ hack detected at line 0 - encodings (C:\Python24\lib\encodings\__init__.pyc) W: __all__ is built strangely at line 0 - re (C:\Python24\lib\re.pyc) W: delayed exec statment detected at line 0 - win32com.client.dynamic (C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\dynamic.pyc) W: delayed conditional eval hack detected at line 0 - warnings (C:\Python24\lib\warnings.pyc) W: delayed conditional __import__ hack detected at line 0 - warnings (C:\Python24\lib\warnings.pyc) W: delayed __import__ hack detected at line 0 - ctypes (C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\ctypes\__init__.pyc) W: delayed __import__ hack detected at line 0 - ctypes (C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\ctypes\__init__.pyc) W: __all__ is built strangely at line 0 - wx (C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wx\__init__.pyc) W: __all__ is built strangely at line 0 - wx (C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wx\__init__.pyc) W: delayed conditional exec statment detected at line 0 - iu (E:\BitTornado-0.3.15\BitTornado-CVS\Installer\iu.pyc) W: delayed conditional exec statment detected at line 0 - iu (E:\BitTornado-0.3.15\BitTornado-CVS\Installer\iu.pyc) W: delayed exec statment detected at line 0 - socket (C:\Python24\lib\socket.pyc) W: delayed conditional __import__ hack detected at line 0 - win32com.client.gencache (C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\gencache.pyc) W: delayed __import__ hack detected at line 0 - win32com.client.gencache (C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\gencache.pyc) W: delayed eval hack detected at line 0 - os (C:\Python24\lib\os.pyc) W: __all__ is built strangely at line 0 - __future__ (C:\Python24\lib\__future__.pyc) W: delayed __import__ hack detected at line 0 - win32com.client.makepy (C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\makepy.pyc) W: delayed __import__ hack detected at line 0 - win32com.server.policy (C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.pyc) W: delayed eval hack detected at line 0 - gettext (C:\Python24\lib\gettext.pyc) sorry for this longy reports,thanks for any feedbacks. regards, jolley --------------------------------- ????????????-3.5G??????20M???? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20061101/2d767795/attachment.html From deadwisdom at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 17:03:23 2006 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:03:23 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Web Analytics Message-ID: <694c06d60611010803v72964a4en78d8c17c8e513e9e@mail.gmail.com> I was wondering what everyone uses for web-analytics / log parsing. I have a need for a program that can track multiple servers as one website. All of the solutions, both open source and retail, that I've seen lack in particular ways. Google Analytics is alright, but it only works with JavaScript, and it's a pain to put on a non-templated website with many stand-alone pages. Any suggestions? Thanks From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Nov 1 17:20:45 2006 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:20:45 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Web Analytics In-Reply-To: <694c06d60611010803v72964a4en78d8c17c8e513e9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <694c06d60611010803v72964a4en78d8c17c8e513e9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4548C95D.9040209@colorstudy.com> Brantley Harris wrote: > I was wondering what everyone uses for web-analytics / log parsing. I > have a need for a program that can track multiple servers as one > website. All of the solutions, both open source and retail, that I've > seen lack in particular ways. Google Analytics is alright, but it > only works with JavaScript, and it's a pain to put on a non-templated > website with many stand-alone pages. I use this sweet piece of code: http://svn.colorstudy.com/trunk/LogAnalyze Actually not all that much, but I really really hate Analog and Webalizer and the other old school analyzers. But I don't want to support that code, so you are on your own if you use it (but feel free to fork if you are into that sort of thing). -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From list at phaedrusdeinus.org Wed Nov 1 18:27:24 2006 From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (johnnnnnnn) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:27:24 +0000 Subject: [Chicago] Web Analytics In-Reply-To: <4548C95D.9040209@colorstudy.com> References: <694c06d60611010803v72964a4en78d8c17c8e513e9e@mail.gmail.com> <4548C95D.9040209@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <20061101172724.GB16186@performics.com> On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 10:20:45AM -0600, Ian Bicking wrote: > I use this sweet piece of code: > http://svn.colorstudy.com/trunk/LogAnalyze >From the README: > See ``doall.sh`` for a basic example of usage. ``stats.py`` is the > main frontend. ... of course, neither of these files exist... > But I don't want to support that code, so you are on your own if you > use it (but feel free to fork if you are into that sort of thing). No examples, no frontend, no wonder you don't want to support it. :) -johnnnnnnnn From tprinty at mail.edisonave.net Wed Nov 1 18:16:25 2006 From: tprinty at mail.edisonave.net (tprinty) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:16:25 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Web Analytics In-Reply-To: <694c06d60611010803v72964a4en78d8c17c8e513e9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <694c06d60611010803v72964a4en78d8c17c8e513e9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1162401385.16029.9.camel@localhost> Hi, There is a perl script for awstats that will merge all your logfiles together into one file. You then tell awstats to process the merged file. It works pretty well. See: http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/awstats_tools.html Here is how I do the processing #!/bin/sh #get the web logs and generate some new stats scp -C dellweb1:access_log /home/tom/webstats/production/dellweb1_acccess.log scp -C dellweb1:ssl_access_log /home/tom/webstats/production/ssl_access.log scp -C dellweb2:access_log /home/tom/webstats/production/dellweb2_acccess.log /home/tom/webstats/production/logresolvemerge.pl /home/tom/webstats/production/dellweb1_acccess.log /home/tom/webstats/production/dellweb2_acccess.log /home/tom/webstats/production/ssl_access.log > /home/tom/webstats/production/access_log #generate the stats /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl --config=production Hope this helps.... On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 10:03 -0600, Brantley Harris wrote: > I was wondering what everyone uses for web-analytics / log parsing. I > have a need for a program that can track multiple servers as one > website. All of the solutions, both open source and retail, that I've > seen lack in particular ways. Google Analytics is alright, but it > only works with JavaScript, and it's a pain to put on a non-templated > website with many stand-alone pages. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Nov 1 18:33:26 2006 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:33:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Web Analytics In-Reply-To: <20061101172724.GB16186@performics.com> References: <694c06d60611010803v72964a4en78d8c17c8e513e9e@mail.gmail.com> <4548C95D.9040209@colorstudy.com> <20061101172724.GB16186@performics.com> Message-ID: <4548DA66.3040004@colorstudy.com> johnnnnnnn wrote: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 10:20:45AM -0600, Ian Bicking wrote: >> I use this sweet piece of code: >> http://svn.colorstudy.com/trunk/LogAnalyze > >>From the README: > >> See ``doall.sh`` for a basic example of usage. ``stats.py`` is the >> main frontend. > > ... of course, neither of these files exist... Oh yeah, that's all a lie. I think I added a conf file and a script. I've now removed the lying docs, leaving no docs at all. >> But I don't want to support that code, so you are on your own if you >> use it (but feel free to fork if you are into that sort of thing). > > No examples, no frontend, no wonder you don't want to support it. :) "scripts/loganalyze log.conf" is the only example I have for you, but you'll need to modify it to point to your actual log files. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From pfein at pobox.com Wed Nov 1 18:42:41 2006 From: pfein at pobox.com (Peter Fein) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:42:41 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Web Analytics In-Reply-To: <694c06d60611010803v72964a4en78d8c17c8e513e9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <694c06d60611010803v72964a4en78d8c17c8e513e9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611011142.41397.pfein@pobox.com> On Wednesday 01 November 2006 10:03, Brantley Harris wrote: > I was wondering what everyone uses for web-analytics / log parsing. I > have a need for a program that can track multiple servers as one > website. All of the solutions, both open source and retail, that I've > seen lack in particular ways. Google Analytics is alright, but it > only works with JavaScript, and it's a pain to put on a non-templated > website with many stand-alone pages. My boss uses a desktop app called ClickTracks, though it appears they have web versions as well: http://www.clicktracks.com/ He likes it quite a lot. -- Peter Fein pfein at pobox.com 773-575-0694 Jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ irc://irc.freenode.net/#chipy From deadwisdom at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 18:53:54 2006 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:53:54 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Web Analytics In-Reply-To: <1162401385.16029.9.camel@localhost> References: <694c06d60611010803v72964a4en78d8c17c8e513e9e@mail.gmail.com> <1162401385.16029.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <694c06d60611010953g5c6f6e51n4d55a20ba05fbde6@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I saw that. But if I am not missing something, the idea is split log files or load-balanced log files for the same website / domain. I need something to process multiple domains, and sites. On 11/1/06, tprinty wrote: > Hi, > > There is a perl script for awstats that will merge all your logfiles > together into one file. You then tell awstats to process the merged > file. It works pretty well. > > See: http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/awstats_tools.html > > Here is how I do the processing > > #!/bin/sh > #get the web logs and generate some new stats > scp -C > dellweb1:access_log /home/tom/webstats/production/dellweb1_acccess.log > scp -C > dellweb1:ssl_access_log /home/tom/webstats/production/ssl_access.log > scp -C > dellweb2:access_log /home/tom/webstats/production/dellweb2_acccess.log > > > /home/tom/webstats/production/logresolvemerge.pl /home/tom/webstats/production/dellweb1_acccess.log /home/tom/webstats/production/dellweb2_acccess.log /home/tom/webstats/production/ssl_access.log > /home/tom/webstats/production/access_log > > #generate the stats > /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl --config=production > > > Hope this helps.... > > > > > > On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 10:03 -0600, Brantley Harris wrote: > > I was wondering what everyone uses for web-analytics / log parsing. I > > have a need for a program that can track multiple servers as one > > website. All of the solutions, both open source and retail, that I've > > seen lack in particular ways. Google Analytics is alright, but it > > only works with JavaScript, and it's a pain to put on a non-templated > > website with many stand-alone pages. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From deadwisdom at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 18:55:02 2006 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:55:02 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Web Analytics In-Reply-To: <4548DA66.3040004@colorstudy.com> References: <694c06d60611010803v72964a4en78d8c17c8e513e9e@mail.gmail.com> <4548C95D.9040209@colorstudy.com> <20061101172724.GB16186@performics.com> <4548DA66.3040004@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <694c06d60611010955n81332c6i5034d01a0d3c3d0b@mail.gmail.com> Hehe, yeah I figured her out. I sure expected it to be slower. But it's rather speedy. I will likely mess around with this. On 11/1/06, Ian Bicking wrote: > johnnnnnnn wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 10:20:45AM -0600, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> I use this sweet piece of code: > >> http://svn.colorstudy.com/trunk/LogAnalyze > > > >>From the README: > > > >> See ``doall.sh`` for a basic example of usage. ``stats.py`` is the > >> main frontend. > > > > ... of course, neither of these files exist... > > Oh yeah, that's all a lie. I think I added a conf file and a script. > I've now removed the lying docs, leaving no docs at all. > > >> But I don't want to support that code, so you are on your own if you > >> use it (but feel free to fork if you are into that sort of thing). > > > > No examples, no frontend, no wonder you don't want to support it. :) > > "scripts/loganalyze log.conf" is the only example I have for you, but > you'll need to modify it to point to your actual log files. > > -- > Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From fitz at red-bean.com Wed Nov 1 18:55:26 2006 From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:55:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Web Analytics In-Reply-To: <4548C95D.9040209@colorstudy.com> References: <694c06d60611010803v72964a4en78d8c17c8e513e9e@mail.gmail.com> <4548C95D.9040209@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: On 11/1/06, Ian Bicking wrote: > I use this sweet piece of code: > > http://svn.colorstudy.com/trunk/LogAnalyze Do you have an example of the output it generates? -Fitz From cchiovatero at osg-global.com Fri Nov 3 20:10:59 2006 From: cchiovatero at osg-global.com (Craig A. Chiovatero) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:10:59 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Sr. Software engineering position Message-ID: Hello, My name is Craig Chiovatero and I am an IT recruiter for OSG Global. I am looking to fill a position for a Sr. Software Engineer. The position specs are attached but the focus is with Python which is why I am sending this to your group. The company is obviously not called XYZ. This is a very exciting opportunity for someone out there. The position pays to $120K +, and bonus potential to 40% of your salary. This is a very well funded, growing company with a great business plan. If any of you are interested in this position or happen to know someone you feel may be both qualified and interested in this position, please get in touch with me. All of my contact information is listed below. I am in the office from 8:30-5:00 M-F. Thank you for you time and I look forward to hearing from you. CRAIG CHIOVATERO OSG Global Account Executive, IT Direct: 847-954-8063 Toll Free: 800-940-7532 Ext. 8063 Cell: 773-715-8580 Fax: 847-297-8477 E-mail: cchiovatero at osg-global.com Visit: www.osg-global.com OSG Global is an affiliate of MRI Network, the largest search and recruitment organization in the world with over 4,000 placement specialists. 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Chiovatero wrote: > > Hello, > > My name is Craig Chiovatero and I am an IT recruiter for OSG Global. > I am looking to fill a position for a Sr. Software Engineer. > The position specs are attached but the focus is with Python which is why > I am sending this to your group. The company is > obviously not called XYZ. This is a very exciting opportunity for someone > out there. The position pays to $120K +, and bonus > potential to 40% of your salary. This is a very well funded, growing > company with a great business plan. If any of you are interested > in this position or happen to know someone you feel may be both qualified > and interested in this position, please get in touch with > me. All of my contact information is listed below. I am in the office > from 8:30-5:00 M-F. > Thank you for you time and I look forward to hearing from you. > > > *CRAIG CHIOVATERO* > > *OSG Global* > > Account Executive, IT > > Direct: 847-954-8063 > > Toll Free: 800-940-7532 Ext. 8063 > > Cell: 773-715-8580 > > Fax: 847-297-8477 > > E-mail: cchiovatero at osg-global.com > > Visit: www.osg-global.com > > * * > > OSG Global is an affiliate of MRI Network, the largest search and > recruitment organization in the world with over 4,000 placement specialists. > As a member of the MRI family, OSG specializes in placing senior > professionals within the Information Technology, Biotechnology, Accounting, > Finance, Banking, Statistics and Analytics and Insurance industries. > > > > *Client and candidate referrals are the lifeblood* > > * of our business and are very much appreciated.* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20061104/1c39df69/attachment.htm From bray at sent.com Mon Nov 6 01:08:56 2006 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:08:56 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday Message-ID: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> Its that time again. Who wants to talk about something? Where are we going to meet? I think if we continue on the topic of log generation, that might be fun. Any ideas? Lets see what we can throw together last minute, eh? Brian http://kazavoo.com/blog From fawad at fawad.net Mon Nov 6 03:20:02 2006 From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:20:02 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <454E9BD2.6090709@fawad.net> I can talk about the python mock library if there's any interest. -fawad bray at sent.com wrote: > Its that time again. Who wants to talk about something? Where are we > going to meet? I think if we continue on the topic of log generation, > that might be fun. Any ideas? > > Lets see what we can throw together last minute, eh? > > Brian > http://kazavoo.com/blog > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 15:33:28 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:33:28 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> On 11/5/06, bray at sent.com wrote: > Its that time again. Who wants to talk about something? Where are we > going to meet? I think if we continue on the topic of log generation, > that might be fun. Any ideas? > > Lets see what we can throw together last minute, eh? Unfortunately I can't host this month. It's going to be a last minute decision if I can even make it this month. Sorry for the short notice. Chris From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 6 15:56:51 2006 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:56:51 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: (whoops. originally sent from my gmail unsubbed account) On 11/6/06, Chris McAvoy wrote: > On 11/5/06, bray at sent.com wrote: > > Its that time again. Who wants to talk about something? Where are we > > going to meet? I think if we continue on the topic of log generation, > > that might be fun. Any ideas? > > > > Lets see what we can throw together last minute, eh? > > Unfortunately I can't host this month. It's going to be a last minute > decision if I can even make it this month. Sorry for the short > notice. I wish you guys were interested in the dabo talk: http://www.chipy.org/EdOnDabo After Carl posted about it, I even found a place that expressed interest in hosting a chipy meeting for it. We'd get a pro-worthy talk for free, since the FoxPro user group payed for him to come to Chicago. That's a good deal. At this point it would be last minute (next Tuesday) and I don't know how much advance notice the host would need. -- sheila From carl at personnelware.com Mon Nov 6 16:43:09 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:43:09 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> sheila miguez wrote: > (whoops. originally sent from my gmail unsubbed account) > > On 11/6/06, Chris McAvoy wrote: >> On 11/5/06, bray at sent.com wrote: >>> Its that time again. Who wants to talk about something? Where are we >>> going to meet? I think if we continue on the topic of log generation, >>> that might be fun. Any ideas? >>> >>> Lets see what we can throw together last minute, eh? >> Unfortunately I can't host this month. It's going to be a last minute >> decision if I can even make it this month. Sorry for the short >> notice. > > I wish you guys were interested in the dabo talk: > > http://www.chipy.org/EdOnDabo > > After Carl posted about it, I even found a place that expressed > interest in hosting a chipy meeting for it. > > We'd get a pro-worthy talk for free, since the FoxPro user group payed > for him to come to Chicago. That's a good deal. > > At this point it would be last minute (next Tuesday) and I don't know > how much advance notice the host would need. > > It can be the official chipy meeting, or it can be something that you go to also, and have the chipy meeting this week on the official day - 2nd Thursday. The VFP meeting: 5:30pm Monadnock Building at 53 W. Jackson in downtown Chicago: Conference Room 826. http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~ChicagoFUDG I am not sure what (if anything) is going on in the afternoon. Carl K From mtobis at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 17:05:27 2006 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:05:27 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> Message-ID: No jive. I was about to announce that I no longer have access to the Monadnock conference room! However, VFP people who haven't attended a lot of ChiPy meetings shouldn't jump to conclusions as to what ChiPy is about. Just because Python can replace VFP doesn't mean VFP can replace Python. At least, I suspect that is what most of us believe. mt > The VFP meeting: 5:30pm Monadnock Building at 53 W. Jackson in downtown Chicago: > Conference Room 826. http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~ChicagoFUDG From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 6 17:13:49 2006 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:13:49 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> Message-ID: On 11/6/06, Michael Tobis wrote: > No jive. > > I was about to announce that I no longer have access to the Monadnock > conference room! You guys need help finding another room? > However, VFP people who haven't attended a lot of ChiPy meetings > shouldn't jump to conclusions as to what ChiPy is about. Just because > Python can replace VFP doesn't mean VFP can replace Python. At least, > I suspect that is what most of us believe. Given that dabo is "a 3-tier, cross-platform application development framework, written in Python atop the wxPython GUI toolkit." I don't think you'll find dabo users trying to get you to use VFP rather than python. -- sheila From bray at sent.com Mon Nov 6 17:24:19 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:24:19 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> I have to stick with mt on this one. There is not a close enough connection between FoxPro and Python to hold a joint meeting. We thank you for the invite and I am sure some of us may attend. Likewise you are welcome to stop in our meeting and learn what Python is all about. Beyond this, it does not warrant further discussion. Nevertheless, we do not have a venue for this Thursday. It sounds like we have at least one speaker, thanks Fawad. Alternatively, if someone from the FoxPro group wants to reserve the Monadnock, this may also work. However, we will be discussing Python. Not Perl, not Ruby, certainly not FoxPro, Python. We may not have much leadership, but we will be talking about Python, or we will be drinking Beer...damit! So if we can not find a conference room, lets meet to drink beer. Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com From ianb at colorstudy.com Mon Nov 6 17:36:02 2006 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:36:02 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> Message-ID: <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> Brian Ray wrote: > I have to stick with mt on this one. There is not a close enough > connection between FoxPro and Python to hold a joint meeting. Dabo is an open source *alternative* to FoxPro, written in Python. Or alternately, I think it's not to far off to think of it as MS Access written in Python (though I think with less automatic GUI stuff). -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From carl at personnelware.com Mon Nov 6 17:44:34 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:44:34 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> Message-ID: <454F6672.4040800@personnelware.com> Brian Ray wrote: > I have to stick with mt on this one. There is not a close enough > connection between FoxPro and Python to hold a joint meeting. We > thank you for the invite and I am sure some of us may attend. > Likewise you are welcome to stop in our meeting and learn what Python > is all about. Beyond this, it does not warrant further discussion. > > Nevertheless, we do not have a venue for this Thursday. It sounds > like we have at least one speaker, thanks Fawad. Alternatively, if > someone from the FoxPro group wants to reserve the Monadnock, this > may also work. However, we will be discussing Python. Not Perl, not > Ruby, certainly not FoxPro, Python. We may not have much leadership, > but we will be talking about Python, or we will be drinking > Beer...damit! So if we can not find a conference room, lets meet to > drink beer. > You are both correct in general: VFP stuff won't interest most Pythoners. but incorrect about the Dabo talk. Below is Ed's description. I can see that some Pythoners want not want to work on a desktop gui or database app, but I suspect that most would be interested in it. Dabo is n-tier, and assuming it was done right, the data classes can be used for web apps and the UI classes can be used for non data apps. granted the focus is a gui database app, so it may fail to have been designed well, but I would not make that assumption. Carl K Ed says: Dabo is an open-source framework for developing desktop (i.e., rich client) applications in Python. There are a ton of web application frameworks, but no other projects in Python that target the desktop app other than Dabo. Its primary target is the group of developers who come from a background in the proprietary Microsoft-centric tools, such as Visual FoxPro and Visual Basic, but it also targets Delphi, Filemaker, and other desktop application development systems who want rich client applications that run unmodified on Windows, Linux and OS X. The focus of the talk will be on the visual tools available in Dabo to help you quickly develop serious database applications in Python. Parts of the talk will also be directed toward existing wxPython developers who love the results of working with that UI toolkit, but who hate the non-Pythonic interface. I'm a member of both the Fox and Python communities, and I can tell you that there are a lot of similarities. Both groups are passionate about their chosen language, and both have a spirit of helping and sharing that makes being a part of those communities something special. I'm hoping that when Fox developers see Dabo, they will see a tool that has the power of Fox when it comes to dealing with data, but with the freedom to install apps on virtually any OS, and with none of the proprietary EULA headaches that comes from working with a Microsoft-owned product. I'm also hoping that Python developers will come away realizing that the desktop market is large and very viable target; the world doesn't only run on web apps! Even if they don't develop traditional database-centric apps, they can see how much easier and Pythonic the dabo.ui module is than the raw wxPython API, and may consider using Dabo for their desktop application needs. From peter at oaktop.com Mon Nov 6 17:42:35 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:42:35 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> Message-ID: Are we still looking for a location? If so, may I suggest DePaul CTI building? They hosted Chicago ACM chapter and CJUG (Java) meetings in the past. Location: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=243+S.+Wabash+Avenue,+Chicago+IL +60604+&ie=UTF8&z=15&om=1&iwloc=addr Is there any interest in exploring this option? Timing is a bit tight, but I can try to assist. Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brian Ray Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:24 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] Thursday I have to stick with mt on this one. There is not a close enough connection between FoxPro and Python to hold a joint meeting. We thank you for the invite and I am sure some of us may attend. Likewise you are welcome to stop in our meeting and learn what Python is all about. Beyond this, it does not warrant further discussion. Nevertheless, we do not have a venue for this Thursday. It sounds like we have at least one speaker, thanks Fawad. Alternatively, if someone from the FoxPro group wants to reserve the Monadnock, this may also work. However, we will be discussing Python. Not Perl, not Ruby, certainly not FoxPro, Python. We may not have much leadership, but we will be talking about Python, or we will be drinking Beer...damit! So if we can not find a conference room, lets meet to drink beer. Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From bray at sent.com Mon Nov 6 17:55:16 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:55:16 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> On Nov 6, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > Brian Ray wrote: >> I have to stick with mt on this one. There is not a close enough >> connection between FoxPro and Python to hold a joint meeting. > > Dabo is an open source *alternative* to FoxPro, written in Python. Or > alternately, I think it's not to far off to think of it as MS Access > written in Python (though I think with less automatic GUI stuff). Thanks for explaining this. Although, you did not go into great detail on where this is leading us. Do you think we should move our monthly meeting on this account? Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com From bray at sent.com Mon Nov 6 17:56:07 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:56:07 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01FC8D54-7361-4BED-BBC3-1817EEBD96D8@sent.com> ++DePaul Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com On Nov 6, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Peter K Chan wrote: > Are we still looking for a location? If so, may I suggest DePaul CTI > building? They hosted Chicago ACM chapter and CJUG (Java) meetings in > the past. > > Location: > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=243+S.+Wabash+Avenue, > +Chicago+IL > +60604+&ie=UTF8&z=15&om=1&iwloc=addr > > Is there any interest in exploring this option? Timing is a bit tight, > but I can try to assist. > > Peter From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 6 17:56:48 2006 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:56:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> Message-ID: On 11/6/06, Brian Ray wrote: > Nevertheless, we do not have a venue for this Thursday. It sounds > like we have at least one speaker, thanks Fawad. Alternatively, if Do you need help getting a room? Let me know and I'll pursue finding a room, but I am not sure what I will be able to accomplish on short notice. > someone from the FoxPro group wants to reserve the Monadnock, this > may also work. However, we will be discussing Python. Not Perl, not > Ruby, certainly not FoxPro, Python. We may not have much leadership, > but we will be talking about Python, or we will be drinking > Beer...damit! So if we can not find a conference room, lets meet to > drink beer. You've misread my posts. I'm not a VFP user nor a member of the VFP user group. -- sheila From carl at personnelware.com Mon Nov 6 17:59:57 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:59:57 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> Message-ID: <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> Brian Ray wrote: > > On Nov 6, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> Brian Ray wrote: >>> I have to stick with mt on this one. There is not a close enough >>> connection between FoxPro and Python to hold a joint meeting. >> Dabo is an open source *alternative* to FoxPro, written in Python. Or >> alternately, I think it's not to far off to think of it as MS Access >> written in Python (though I think with less automatic GUI stuff). > > Thanks for explaining this. > > Although, you did not go into great detail on where this is leading > us. Do you think we should move our monthly meeting on this account? No. Just this one event. From bray at sent.com Mon Nov 6 18:26:44 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:26:44 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday PLAN? In-Reply-To: <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > > No. Just this one event. Fine. I will not be stubborn ;) Here is what I suggest not after re-reading all the dabo stuff I have been ignoring: * lets move the monthly meeting to Tuesday * hold it at Monodnock * See if we we can get in at DePaul for next month * give Fawad a choice to present at either time--so we will need 15 minutes Tuesday if he picks. Any additional objects to this. Thanks : ) Brian From bray at sent.com Mon Nov 6 18:31:41 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:31:41 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday PLAN? In-Reply-To: References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <172E8B0C-B620-44C2-B3A4-ABEB2C34EF5F@sent.com> On Nov 6, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > * lets move the monthly meeting to Tuesday This monthly only, I mean, if I did not make this clear. From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 6 18:36:23 2006 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:36:23 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday PLAN? In-Reply-To: References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> Message-ID: On 11/6/06, Brian Ray wrote: > > > On Nov 6, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > > > > > No. Just this one event. > > Fine. I will not be stubborn ;) > > Here is what I suggest not after re-reading all the dabo stuff I have > been ignoring: > > * lets move the monthly meeting to Tuesday > * hold it at Monodnock Will someone be able to make arrangements for Monodnock? > * See if we we can get in at DePaul for next month If not, someone ping me. Orbitz has large conference rooms with projectors, a lot of python users, are user groups friendly (hosts CJUG), and are conveniently located wrt metra and el stops. I can ask the cjug hoster what hoops I need to jump through to set up meetings. -- sheila From bray at sent.com Mon Nov 6 18:45:58 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:45:58 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday PLAN? In-Reply-To: References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <38AB74D3-66BA-435A-BC37-64D0194B11D9@sent.com> On Nov 6, 2006, at 11:36 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >> * hold it at Monodnock > > Will someone be able to make arrangements for Monodnock? It was my understanding the FUDG group already booked this room. Carl: correct me if I am wrong. From carl at personnelware.com Mon Nov 6 19:01:26 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:01:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday PLAN? In-Reply-To: References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <454F7876.9030500@personnelware.com> Brian Ray wrote: > > On Nov 6, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> No. Just this one event. > > Fine. I will not be stubborn ;) > > Here is what I suggest not after re-reading all the dabo stuff I have > been ignoring: > > * lets move the monthly meeting to Tuesday > * hold it at Monodnock > * See if we we can get in at DePaul for next month > * give Fawad a choice to present at either time--so we will need 15 > minutes Tuesday if he picks. > > Any additional objects to this. > Swell. I guess I get what I ask for :) Can we get a head count? if it is over 10 pythoners, we are going to be really squished in the current Mandoc room. There is a resturant in the Mandoc room that we have used before, but it doesn't have a screen or white wall for the projector(s). Anyone have one or two? Ed will be speaking for hours, pretty much as long as people are still around. some times our meeings go from 5:30 to past 8. This will be one of them. So I don't think there will be time for even a 15 min blub, which usually has another 15 min of prep+QA. Carl K From carl at personnelware.com Mon Nov 6 19:04:23 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:04:23 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday PLAN? In-Reply-To: <38AB74D3-66BA-435A-BC37-64D0194B11D9@sent.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> <38AB74D3-66BA-435A-BC37-64D0194B11D9@sent.com> Message-ID: <454F7927.8010204@personnelware.com> Brian Ray wrote: > > On Nov 6, 2006, at 11:36 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > >>> * hold it at Monodnock >> Will someone be able to make arrangements for Monodnock? > > > It was my understanding the FUDG group already booked this room. > Carl: correct me if I am wrong. > Can I confirm if you are right? :) Yes, the room is booked. however, it is about 1/2 the size as the room that the Oct chipy meeting was in, so I am now trying to find something else within waking distance. help help... Carl K From carl at personnelware.com Mon Nov 6 19:34:17 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:34:17 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <454F8029.5040508@personnelware.com> Michael Tobis wrote: > No jive. > > I was about to announce that I no longer have access to the Monadnock > conference room! > What room do you not have access to? how not is not? I am trying to find something in walking distance (same building would be best) Carl K From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 6 19:45:33 2006 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:45:33 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday PLAN? In-Reply-To: <454F7927.8010204@personnelware.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> <38AB74D3-66BA-435A-BC37-64D0194B11D9@sent.com> <454F7927.8010204@personnelware.com> Message-ID: On 11/6/06, Carl Karsten wrote: > Brian Ray wrote: > > > > On Nov 6, 2006, at 11:36 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > > >>> * hold it at Monodnock > >> Will someone be able to make arrangements for Monodnock? > > > > > > It was my understanding the FUDG group already booked this room. > > Carl: correct me if I am wrong. > > > > Can I confirm if you are right? :) > > Yes, the room is booked. however, it is about 1/2 the size as the room that the > Oct chipy meeting was in, so I am now trying to find something else within > waking distance. help help... I just called my work and got an "official" no on outside user groups (despite evidence to the contrary). I doubt I can change anyone's mind in a week, or possibly ever. (damned security measures) Hope the DePaul thing works out for long term (though it would be sweet to meet in our cafeteria here because we have two huge projectors and rolling white boards) -- sheila From fawad at fawad.net Mon Nov 6 20:29:23 2006 From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:29:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Chicago] Thursday PLAN? In-Reply-To: <454F7876.9030500@personnelware.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> <454F7876.9030500@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <39752.192.168.3.1.1162841363.squirrel@home.fawad.net> On Mon, November 6, 2006 12:01, Carl Karsten wrote: > Brian Ray wrote: > > >> >> On Nov 6, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >> >>> No. Just this one event. >>> >> >> Fine. I will not be stubborn ;) >> >> >> Here is what I suggest not after re-reading all the dabo stuff I have >> been ignoring: >> >> * lets move the monthly meeting to Tuesday >> * hold it at Monodnock >> * See if we we can get in at DePaul for next month >> * give Fawad a choice to present at either time--so we will need 15 >> minutes Tuesday if he picks. >> >> Any additional objects to this. >> >> > > Swell. I guess I get what I ask for :) > > > Can we get a head count? if it is over 10 pythoners, we are going to be > really squished in the current Mandoc room. There is a resturant in the > Mandoc room > that we have used before, but it doesn't have a screen or white wall for > the projector(s). Anyone have one or two? > > Ed will be speaking for hours, pretty much as long as people are still > around. some times our meeings go from 5:30 to past 8. This will be one > of them. So I don't think there will be time for even a 15 min blub, > which usually has another 15 min of prep+QA. > > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > That's fine. It gives me more time to prepare as well. -fawad From racter at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 20:43:29 2006 From: racter at gmail.com (jake elliott) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:43:29 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday PLAN? In-Reply-To: References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> <38AB74D3-66BA-435A-BC37-64D0194B11D9@sent.com> <454F7927.8010204@personnelware.com> Message-ID: chipy is always welcome to use the flowershop/dai5ychain http://dai5ychain.net/ it's in west pilsen, just a few blocks from the pink/blue line (near leavitt and cermak). we have wireless and wired internet, about 15 linux computers, a projector and screen, and a large greenhouse that we use for screenings/meetings. this was the location of the first chicago hackmeeting (hackmeetingwiki.dai5ychain.net) that some of you may have come by. best jake On 11/6/06, sheila miguez wrote: > On 11/6/06, Carl Karsten wrote: > > Brian Ray wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2006, at 11:36 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > > > > >>> * hold it at Monodnock > > >> Will someone be able to make arrangements for Monodnock? > > > > > > > > > It was my understanding the FUDG group already booked this room. > > > Carl: correct me if I am wrong. > > > > > > > Can I confirm if you are right? :) > > > > Yes, the room is booked. however, it is about 1/2 the size as the room that the > > Oct chipy meeting was in, so I am now trying to find something else within > > waking distance. help help... > > I just called my work and got an "official" no on outside user groups > (despite evidence to the contrary). I doubt I can change anyone's mind > in a week, or possibly ever. (damned security measures) > > Hope the DePaul thing works out for long term (though it would be > sweet to meet in our cafeteria here because we have two huge > projectors and rolling white boards) > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From ryguillian at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 21:20:10 2006 From: ryguillian at gmail.com (Ryan Hayes) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:20:10 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday PLAN? In-Reply-To: References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> <38AB74D3-66BA-435A-BC37-64D0194B11D9@sent.com> <454F7927.8010204@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <786ccf330611061220i31c0c9cby54d5e8ac2de65af5@mail.gmail.com> I'm going to go and probably a couple of friends. On 11/6/06, jake elliott wrote: > chipy is always welcome to use the flowershop/dai5ychain > http://dai5ychain.net/ > > it's in west pilsen, just a few blocks from the pink/blue line (near > leavitt and cermak). we have wireless and wired internet, about 15 > linux computers, a projector and screen, and a large greenhouse that > we use for screenings/meetings. this was the location of the first > chicago hackmeeting (hackmeetingwiki.dai5ychain.net) that some of you > may have come by. > > best > jake > > On 11/6/06, sheila miguez wrote: > > On 11/6/06, Carl Karsten wrote: > > > Brian Ray wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2006, at 11:36 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > > > > > > >>> * hold it at Monodnock > > > >> Will someone be able to make arrangements for Monodnock? > > > > > > > > > > > > It was my understanding the FUDG group already booked this room. > > > > Carl: correct me if I am wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Can I confirm if you are right? :) > > > > > > Yes, the room is booked. however, it is about 1/2 the size as the room that the > > > Oct chipy meeting was in, so I am now trying to find something else within > > > waking distance. help help... > > > > I just called my work and got an "official" no on outside user groups > > (despite evidence to the contrary). I doubt I can change anyone's mind > > in a week, or possibly ever. (damned security measures) > > > > Hope the DePaul thing works out for long term (though it would be > > sweet to meet in our cafeteria here because we have two huge > > projectors and rolling white boards) > > > > -- > > sheila > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From mtobis at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 22:21:43 2006 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:21:43 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <454F8029.5040508@personnelware.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <454F8029.5040508@personnelware.com> Message-ID: To clarify, I have hosted ChiPy at the Monadnock several times, but I am no longer a tenant there. I have no problem getting there if someone else gets the key! mt On 11/6/06, Carl Karsten wrote: > Michael Tobis wrote: > > No jive. > > > > I was about to announce that I no longer have access to the Monadnock > > conference room! > > > > What room do you not have access to? how not is not? I am trying to find > something in walking distance (same building would be best) > > Carl K > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From peter at oaktop.com Mon Nov 6 22:41:57 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:41:57 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <01FC8D54-7361-4BED-BBC3-1817EEBD96D8@sent.com> Message-ID: I went ahead and made contact at DePaul. The person is out of office today, but should get back to me tomorrow. (If not, I have other ways). Has the meeting date been finalized? Also, is there an "organizer" for the group? Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brian Ray Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:56 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] Thursday ++DePaul Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com On Nov 6, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Peter K Chan wrote: > Are we still looking for a location? If so, may I suggest DePaul CTI > building? They hosted Chicago ACM chapter and CJUG (Java) meetings in > the past. > > Location: > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=243+S.+Wabash+Avenue, > +Chicago+IL > +60604+&ie=UTF8&z=15&om=1&iwloc=addr > > Is there any interest in exploring this option? Timing is a bit tight, > but I can try to assist. > > Peter _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From fitz at red-bean.com Mon Nov 6 22:59:12 2006 From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:59:12 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <454F8029.5040508@personnelware.com> Message-ID: Oy. Bad timing. I'd offer to host at Google, but I really need a bit more lead time, plus the fact that I can't make it. :-( -Fitz On 11/6/06, Michael Tobis wrote: > To clarify, I have hosted ChiPy at the Monadnock several times, but I > am no longer a tenant there. > > I have no problem getting there if someone else gets the key! > > mt > > On 11/6/06, Carl Karsten wrote: > > Michael Tobis wrote: > > > No jive. > > > > > > I was about to announce that I no longer have access to the Monadnock > > > conference room! > > > > > > > What room do you not have access to? how not is not? I am trying to find > > something in walking distance (same building would be best) > > > > Carl K > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From racter at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 23:19:19 2006 From: racter at gmail.com (jake elliott) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:19:19 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <454F8029.5040508@personnelware.com> Message-ID: hi -- my offer to host here at dai5ychain in west pilsen stands this thursday too if yawl like. -jkae On 11/6/06, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > Oy. Bad timing. I'd offer to host at Google, but I really need a bit > more lead time, plus the fact that I can't make it. :-( > > -Fitz > > On 11/6/06, Michael Tobis wrote: > > To clarify, I have hosted ChiPy at the Monadnock several times, but I > > am no longer a tenant there. > > > > I have no problem getting there if someone else gets the key! > > > > mt > > > > On 11/6/06, Carl Karsten wrote: > > > Michael Tobis wrote: > > > > No jive. > > > > > > > > I was about to announce that I no longer have access to the Monadnock > > > > conference room! > > > > > > > > > > What room do you not have access to? how not is not? I am trying to find > > > something in walking distance (same building would be best) > > > > > > Carl K > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chicago mailing list > > > Chicago at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From ed at leafe.com Tue Nov 7 15:01:08 2006 From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:01:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday In-Reply-To: <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3096c19d0611060633u7383b4a5mb0a6697cd84d5083@mail.gmail.com> <454F580D.8090504@personnelware.com> <260D2A28-6A49-4EA5-8BEA-807E0A28B1C2@sent.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <8DAE033A-6671-4E43-B017-AFF2BBB54F14@leafe.com> On Nov 6, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > Dabo is an open source *alternative* to FoxPro, written in Python. Or > alternately, I think it's not to far off to think of it as MS Access > written in Python (though I think with less automatic GUI stuff). Well, yeah, that's a fair analogy, but it's also an alternative to PythonCard and lots of other projects that have attempted to make visual development of GUIs in Python possible. I don't have any hard numbers, but more than half of the regulars on the Dabo lists, as well as those I've spoken with at the last few PyCons, don't use the database stuff at all. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com From mtobis at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 16:03:04 2006 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:03:04 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary Message-ID: The reason I advocate for a regular time is to avoid last minute confusion of the sort we see right now. Since we operate by consensus without a formal decision process, the fewer decisions the better. I attend ChiPy meetings on second Thursdays. I attend other stuff at other times, sometimes, too, and this Dabo stuff is intriguing, so more power to those setting up a Dabo meeting. I may even manage to show up. But I don't think we should call it a ChiPy meeting. We've failed to get it together once before and it wasn't the end of the world. I think we should consider anything that doesn't happen on second Thursdays to be an event of interest and not an actual ChiPy meeting. The reason for this preference is not so much this immediate month. It would be good to avoid this sort of confusion in the future; having an uncertain date at the last minute is a bad precedent and is probably worse for the long-term stability of the group than missing a meeting altogether. Where does that leave us for now? I don't know. I think it would be best for ChiPy to take jake up on the dai5ychain offer for Thursday and Fawad up for Thursday as well. mt From bray at sent.com Tue Nov 7 18:36:47 2006 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:36:47 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. Message-ID: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> Thursday November 9 2006. 7:00 pm. This may be our best meeting yet. This is our regular Thurs. meeting. In addition stay tuned for a special meeting to welcome Ed Leafe http://chipy.org/EdOnDabo. Please ping the list to tell us what you want to address in your lightning talk. Lets try to get one talk from each brave soul for about 5 minutes a piece. Topics ------ - Python Mock Library - fawad - Web log generation and parsing - lightning talks Location -------- Daisychain - 2159 W 21st Pl, Chicago il 60608 http://www.dai5ychain.net/ map - http://tinyurl.com/ybdcxb About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: --- From bray at sent.com Tue Nov 7 18:38:38 2006 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:38:38 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy (Special) Meeting, Tuesday 14th 5:30 pm. Message-ID: <1162921118.26732.275232016@webmail.messagingengine.com> NOTE: This is a special meeting on next Tuesday in addition to our normal Thursday meeting. Attend both, if you can. Tuesday. November 14 2006. 5:30 pm. Topics ------ Ed Leaf on Dabo is an open-source framework for developing desktop (i.e., rich client) applications in Python. Details ======= Dabo is an open-source framework for developing desktop (i.e., rich client) applications in Python. Its primary target is the group of developers who come from a background in the proprietary Microsoft-centric tools, such as Visual FoxPro and Visual Basic, but it also targets Delphi, Filemaker, and other desktop application development systems who want rich client applications that run unmodified on Windows, Linux and OS X. The focus of the talk will be on the visual tools available in Dabo to help you quickly develop serious database applications in Python. Parts of the talk will also be directed toward existing wxPython developers who love the results of working with that UI toolkit, but who hate the non-Pythonic interface. Location -------- Monadnock Building at 53 W. Jackson in downtown Chicago: Conference Room 826. Alternatively, if we need more space, we will relocate to the restaurant on the first floor: http://www.cavanaughschicago.com. We will leave a note with the gaurd in case we relocate. RSVP to carl at personnelware.com Stay tuned to the mailing list for more details. http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: --- From bray at sent.com Tue Nov 7 18:55:22 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:55:22 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Opps, I meant to send this to the list. Anyway, as you see by now, we are having both meetings. See, more is more... Next month lets shoot for DePaul. ... And lets Plan Ahea d On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > > > On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Michael Tobis wrote: > >> I think it would be >> best for ChiPy to take jake up on the dai5ychain offer for Thursday >> and Fawad up for Thursday as well. > > Sorry Carl, I think mt is right. > > We went offline last night and tried to work out the details. Here > is what I would like to do: > > * try to use the dai5ychail option and fawad for our regular > meeting thursday. I will send out the notice. > * hold a Special Meeting to join Ed Leafe and gang for next Tuesday. > > This way we will not break our important ChiPy schedule and still > give some attention to Ed, Carl, and crew. > > Sound good? > > Brian Ray > http://kazavoo.com > > > PS. I am contacting Jake off the list to get some venue details. > From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 19:27:24 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:27:24 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3096c19d0611071027n5ad63934ycbbd1788700741d9@mail.gmail.com> On 11/7/06, Michael Tobis wrote: > The reason I advocate for a regular time is to avoid last minute > confusion of the sort we see right now. > > Since we operate by consensus without a formal decision process, the > fewer decisions the better. I agree, in theory. Let's just try not to be hard-asses about this kind of stuff. If someone is offering to show us something, for free, at their own expense, let's try and be agile about it and accomidate them. In the spirit of United Nerdery. As for the Python and Python only argument...hrm. I guess? These kinds of moments feel like we're on top of a big slippery hill. At the bottom of the hill is this: http://trijug.org/getinvolved.jsp On the other hand, there's two Chicago users groups I can think of that haven't been as regular as Chipy, and it certainly can be confusing. It's all a big series of fine lines, let's just keep it all in mind. Know what I mean? Chris From fawad at fawad.net Tue Nov 7 19:32:31 2006 From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:32:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45897.192.168.3.1.1162924351.squirrel@home.fawad.net> I'm not sure I understand this fully. Are we getting together twice this month? Is there anyone else beside me presenting on Thursday? Because if it's just me, it's going to be one short meeting. Why not just skip this month's regularly scheduled Thursday meeting and plan ahead for next month? -fawad On Tue, November 7, 2006 11:55, Brian Ray wrote: > Opps, I meant to send this to the list. > > > Anyway, as you see by now, we are having both meetings. See, more is > more... > > Next month lets shoot for DePaul. ... And lets > Plan Ahea > d > > > On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > > >> >> >> On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Michael Tobis wrote: >> >> >>> I think it would be >>> best for ChiPy to take jake up on the dai5ychain offer for Thursday and >>> Fawad up for Thursday as well. >>> >> >> Sorry Carl, I think mt is right. >> >> >> We went offline last night and tried to work out the details. Here >> is what I would like to do: >> >> * try to use the dai5ychail option and fawad for our regular >> meeting thursday. I will send out the notice. * hold a Special Meeting to >> join Ed Leafe and gang for next Tuesday. >> >> This way we will not break our important ChiPy schedule and still >> give some attention to Ed, Carl, and crew. >> >> Sound good? >> >> >> Brian Ray >> http://kazavoo.com >> >> >> >> PS. I am contacting Jake off the list to get some venue details. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > From peter at oaktop.com Tue Nov 7 20:02:48 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:02:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: According to my contact from DePaul, we just need a request submitted from a faculty/staff and approval from the Dean. This part should not be difficult. What we do need is a responsible person and a date for the next meeting. I can make contacts, but I am unable to be that person, since I am neither a faculty nor a regular Chipier. I am confused by working with the mailing list. If ChiPy would like to explore meeting at DePaul, *someone* please email me directly at peter at oaktop.com and I will be happy to help. Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brian Ray Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:55 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary Opps, I meant to send this to the list. Anyway, as you see by now, we are having both meetings. See, more is more... Next month lets shoot for DePaul. ... And lets Plan Ahea d On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > > > On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Michael Tobis wrote: > >> I think it would be >> best for ChiPy to take jake up on the dai5ychain offer for Thursday >> and Fawad up for Thursday as well. > > Sorry Carl, I think mt is right. > > We went offline last night and tried to work out the details. Here > is what I would like to do: > > * try to use the dai5ychail option and fawad for our regular > meeting thursday. I will send out the notice. > * hold a Special Meeting to join Ed Leafe and gang for next Tuesday. > > This way we will not break our important ChiPy schedule and still > give some attention to Ed, Carl, and crew. > > Sound good? > > Brian Ray > http://kazavoo.com > > > PS. I am contacting Jake off the list to get some venue details. > _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mtobis at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 20:02:49 2006 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:02:49 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0611071027n5ad63934ycbbd1788700741d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0611071027n5ad63934ycbbd1788700741d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > As for the Python and Python only argument...hrm. I guess? I suppose someone might show up once in a while and talk about Perl 6 or something. As long as we get to try to set them straight. > I agree, in theory. Let's just try not to be hard-asses about this > kind of stuff. If someone is offering to show us something, for free, > at their own expense, let's try and be agile about it and accomidate > them. It's just a nomenclature issue. If we call anything some of us are interested in a ChiPy meeting, it will be a lot harder to keep the actual real thing going. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. JI just think it would be a good idea to avoid finding ourselves at the last minute uncertain about the date as well as the place and the speakers. > At the bottom of the hill is this: http://trijug.org/getinvolved.jsp Yup. It's pretty amazing what all we have managed to do without any of that. mt From mtobis at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 20:19:43 2006 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:19:43 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had a similar problem with Loyola. In the end it was too problematic to meet at Loyola because their bureaucracy needed some other bureaucracy to deal with. See, ChiPy is not actually, for legal purposes, a real organization. So nobody is "responsible". We are just a bunch of people who get together sometimes. It may be necessary to actually formally create a PyCon-In-Chicago organization at some point. So far, though, we have been spending our efforts on interesting conversation and not on bureaucracy. We have all been blissfully non-responsible all along, and we have had some remarkably excellent meetings all the same. mt On 11/7/06, Peter K Chan wrote: > According to my contact from DePaul, we just need a request submitted > from a faculty/staff and approval from the Dean. This part should not be > difficult. > > What we do need is a responsible person and a date for the next meeting. > I can make contacts, but I am unable to be that person, since I am > neither a faculty nor a regular Chipier. > > I am confused by working with the mailing list. If ChiPy would like to > explore meeting at DePaul, *someone* please email me directly at > peter at oaktop.com and I will be happy to help. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On > Behalf Of Brian Ray > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:55 AM > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary > > Opps, I meant to send this to the list. > > Anyway, as you see by now, we are having both meetings. See, more is > more... > > Next month lets shoot for DePaul. ... And lets > Plan Ahea > d > > > On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Michael Tobis wrote: > > > >> I think it would be > >> best for ChiPy to take jake up on the dai5ychain offer for Thursday > >> and Fawad up for Thursday as well. > > > > Sorry Carl, I think mt is right. > > > > We went offline last night and tried to work out the details. Here > > is what I would like to do: > > > > * try to use the dai5ychail option and fawad for our regular > > meeting thursday. I will send out the notice. > > * hold a Special Meeting to join Ed Leafe and gang for next Tuesday. > > > > This way we will not break our important ChiPy schedule and still > > give some attention to Ed, Carl, and crew. > > > > Sound good? > > > > Brian Ray > > http://kazavoo.com > > > > > > PS. I am contacting Jake off the list to get some venue details. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From peter at oaktop.com Tue Nov 7 20:25:10 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:25:10 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: <5252748F-96F6-44FB-AA43-D10D2F9CC9B0@mimectl> Message-ID: Perfect! Massimo would be a much better person to talk to, than I, about meeting at DePaul. Peter ________________________________________ From: DiPierro, Massimo [mailto:MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:11 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group; Peter K Chan Subject: RE: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary I would be glad to help you with that. ? Massimo ? Massimo Di Pierro, Assistant Professor CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ ________________________________________ From: Peter K Chan Sent: Tue 11/7/2006 1:02 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary According to my contact from DePaul, we just need a request submitted from a faculty/staff and approval from the Dean. This part should not be difficult. What we do need is a responsible person and a date for the next meeting. I can make contacts, but I am unable to be that person, since I am neither a faculty nor a regular Chipier. I am confused by working with the mailing list. If ChiPy would like to explore meeting at DePaul, *someone* please email me directly at peter at oaktop.com and I will be happy to help. Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brian Ray Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:55 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary Opps, I meant to send this to the list. Anyway, as you see by now, we are having both meetings. See, more is more... Next month lets shoot for DePaul. ... And lets Plan Ahea d On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > > > On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Michael Tobis wrote: > >> I think it would be >> best for ChiPy to take jake up on the dai5ychain offer for Thursday >> and Fawad up for Thursday as well. > > Sorry Carl, I think mt is right. > > We went offline last night and tried to work out the details. Here > is what I would like to do: > > * try to use the dai5ychail option and fawad for our regular > meeting thursday. I will send out the notice. > * hold a Special Meeting to join Ed Leafe and gang for next Tuesday. > > This way we will not break our important ChiPy schedule and still > give some attention to Ed, Carl, and crew. > > Sound good? > > Brian Ray > http://kazavoo.com > > > PS. I am contacting Jake off the list to get some venue details. > _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From peter at oaktop.com Tue Nov 7 20:33:57 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:33:57 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I understand. Self-organization has certainly worked for ChiPy. DePaul is actually not much of a bureaucracy in this respect. But we still need a person's name to attach to the meeting (it wouldn't quite work to just give DePaul Chicago at python.org as the contact). Chickens are great, but once in a while we do need a pig. (If the metaphor sounds unfamiliar, google for "chicken pig project management") Personally, I do prefer egg. :) Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Michael Tobis Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:20 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary I had a similar problem with Loyola. In the end it was too problematic to meet at Loyola because their bureaucracy needed some other bureaucracy to deal with. See, ChiPy is not actually, for legal purposes, a real organization. So nobody is "responsible". We are just a bunch of people who get together sometimes. It may be necessary to actually formally create a PyCon-In-Chicago organization at some point. So far, though, we have been spending our efforts on interesting conversation and not on bureaucracy. We have all been blissfully non-responsible all along, and we have had some remarkably excellent meetings all the same. mt On 11/7/06, Peter K Chan wrote: > According to my contact from DePaul, we just need a request submitted > from a faculty/staff and approval from the Dean. This part should not be > difficult. > > What we do need is a responsible person and a date for the next meeting. > I can make contacts, but I am unable to be that person, since I am > neither a faculty nor a regular Chipier. > > I am confused by working with the mailing list. If ChiPy would like to > explore meeting at DePaul, *someone* please email me directly at > peter at oaktop.com and I will be happy to help. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On > Behalf Of Brian Ray > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:55 AM > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary > > Opps, I meant to send this to the list. > > Anyway, as you see by now, we are having both meetings. See, more is > more... > > Next month lets shoot for DePaul. ... And lets > Plan Ahea > d > > > On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Michael Tobis wrote: > > > >> I think it would be > >> best for ChiPy to take jake up on the dai5ychain offer for Thursday > >> and Fawad up for Thursday as well. > > > > Sorry Carl, I think mt is right. > > > > We went offline last night and tried to work out the details. Here > > is what I would like to do: > > > > * try to use the dai5ychail option and fawad for our regular > > meeting thursday. I will send out the notice. > > * hold a Special Meeting to join Ed Leafe and gang for next Tuesday. > > > > This way we will not break our important ChiPy schedule and still > > give some attention to Ed, Carl, and crew. > > > > Sound good? > > > > Brian Ray > > http://kazavoo.com > > > > > > PS. I am contacting Jake off the list to get some venue details. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From pfein at pobox.com Tue Nov 7 20:36:12 2006 From: pfein at pobox.com (Peter Fein) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:36:12 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200611071336.12567.pfein@pobox.com> On Tuesday 07 November 2006 13:19, Michael Tobis wrote: > See, ChiPy is not actually, for legal purposes, a real organization. > So nobody is "responsible". We are just a bunch of people who get > together sometimes. That's how Critical Mass works. Show up, do something, go home. IMNSHO, that's how *everything* should work. -- Peter Fein pfein at pobox.com 773-575-0694 Jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ irc://irc.freenode.net/#chipy From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 20:43:35 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:43:35 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: <200611071336.12567.pfein@pobox.com> References: <200611071336.12567.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0611071143w6913504cka9089a0de68ab964@mail.gmail.com> On 11/7/06, Peter Fein wrote: > On Tuesday 07 November 2006 13:19, Michael Tobis wrote: > > See, ChiPy is not actually, for legal purposes, a real organization. > > So nobody is "responsible". We are just a bunch of people who get > > together sometimes. > > That's how Critical Mass works. Show up, do something, go home. IMNSHO, that's > how *everything* should work. Anarchist. Chris From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Tue Nov 7 20:11:15 2006 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:11:15 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <5252748F-96F6-44FB-AA43-D10D2F9CC9B0@mimectl> I would be glad to help you with that. Massimo Massimo Di Pierro, Assistant Professor CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ ________________________________ From: Peter K Chan Sent: Tue 11/7/2006 1:02 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary According to my contact from DePaul, we just need a request submitted from a faculty/staff and approval from the Dean. This part should not be difficult. What we do need is a responsible person and a date for the next meeting. I can make contacts, but I am unable to be that person, since I am neither a faculty nor a regular Chipier. I am confused by working with the mailing list. If ChiPy would like to explore meeting at DePaul, *someone* please email me directly at peter at oaktop.com and I will be happy to help. Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brian Ray Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:55 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary Opps, I meant to send this to the list. Anyway, as you see by now, we are having both meetings. See, more is more... Next month lets shoot for DePaul. ... And lets Plan Ahea d On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > > > On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Michael Tobis wrote: > >> I think it would be >> best for ChiPy to take jake up on the dai5ychain offer for Thursday >> and Fawad up for Thursday as well. > > Sorry Carl, I think mt is right. > > We went offline last night and tried to work out the details. Here > is what I would like to do: > > * try to use the dai5ychail option and fawad for our regular > meeting thursday. I will send out the notice. > * hold a Special Meeting to join Ed Leafe and gang for next Tuesday. > > This way we will not break our important ChiPy schedule and still > give some attention to Ed, Carl, and crew. > > Sound good? > > Brian Ray > http://kazavoo.com > > > PS. I am contacting Jake off the list to get some venue details. > _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From bray at sent.com Tue Nov 7 20:47:00 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:47:00 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: <45897.192.168.3.1.1162924351.squirrel@home.fawad.net> References: <45897.192.168.3.1.1162924351.squirrel@home.fawad.net> Message-ID: <087AD2E1-EA8B-4CD9-B538-0509318DE4E2@sent.com> On Nov 7, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Fawad Halim wrote: > I'm not sure I understand this fully. Are we getting together twice > this > month? Is there anyone else beside me presenting on Thursday? > Because if > it's just me, it's going to be one short meeting. Why not just skip > this > month's regularly scheduled Thursday meeting and plan ahead for next > month? > > -fawad We are getting together Thursday to hear your short talk at daisychain. Then we are doing lightning talks. I have to favor our monthly meeting as default. I can talk about pdb. I know its been covered, but hey its only 5 minutes. Tuesday, we are getting together to hear Ed Leafe talk, if we can. I encourage hitting both. Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com From peter at oaktop.com Tue Nov 7 20:50:53 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:50:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: <0D69A467-C596-4D08-B62A-650DBC6E1412@mimectl> Message-ID: Note Massimo's email below. (DePaul's final week will be over by November 22, so we are clear for December) Peter ________________________________________ From: DiPierro, Massimo [mailto:MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:43 PM To: Peter K Chan Subject: RE: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary I just need to know time, date and number of participants. If we can accommodate it in a CTI room and after final's week it easy. ? Massimo ? Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ ________________________________________ From: Peter K Chan Sent: Tue 11/7/2006 1:23 PM To: DiPierro, Massimo Subject: RE: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary Great! I was actually thinking of you as someone who can best qualified to make the arrangement. Peter ________________________________________ From: DiPierro, Massimo [mailto:MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:11 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group; Peter K Chan Subject: RE: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary I would be glad to help you with that. ? Massimo ? Massimo Di Pierro, Assistant Professor CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ ________________________________________ From: Peter K Chan Sent: Tue 11/7/2006 1:02 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary According to my contact from DePaul, we just need a request submitted from a faculty/staff and approval from the Dean. This part should not be difficult. What we do need is a responsible person and a date for the next meeting. I can make contacts, but I am unable to be that person, since I am neither a faculty nor a regular Chipier. I am confused by working with the mailing list. If ChiPy would like to explore meeting at DePaul, *someone* please email me directly at peter at oaktop.com and I will be happy to help. Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brian Ray Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:55 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary Opps, I meant to send this to the list. Anyway, as you see by now, we are having both meetings. See, more is more... Next month lets shoot for DePaul. ... And lets Plan Ahea d On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > > > On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Michael Tobis wrote: > >> I think it would be >> best for ChiPy to take jake up on the dai5ychain offer for Thursday >> and Fawad up for Thursday as well. > > Sorry Carl, I think mt is right. > > We went offline last night and tried to work out the details. Here > is what I would like to do: > > * try to use the dai5ychail option and fawad for our regular > meeting thursday. I will send out the notice. > * hold a Special Meeting to join Ed Leafe and gang for next Tuesday. > > This way we will not break our important ChiPy schedule and still > give some attention to Ed, Carl, and crew. > > Sound good? > > Brian Ray > http://kazavoo.com > > > PS. I am contacting Jake off the list to get some venue details. > _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From carl at personnelware.com Tue Nov 7 21:56:15 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:56:15 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4550F2EF.2050701@personnelware.com> I suggest you do what the VFP group did: appoint a person to be responsible for making decisions. Steeling the ubuntu term: SABDFL - Self Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life, only the 5 of us that were generally doing the "lets figure out next month's meeting" meeting forced the position on Bill cuz he seemed to care the most. no paper work, not Federal ID's, no tax exempt status. Just an understanding that Bill has the final say. We have a list, and things normally go like this: I think we should do X or Y. We need to know by Z. Bill, what do you think? Within a day or 2, Bill answers and we move on. in the 5+ years we have been doing this, I don't think anyone has had a problem with it. It really has nothing to do with wizdom, but more who feels to being bothered every month or so about something that they need to pay attention to. No, you can not elect me. Not this week anyway. Carl Michael Tobis wrote: > I had a similar problem with Loyola. In the end it was too problematic > to meet at Loyola because their bureaucracy needed some other > bureaucracy to deal with. > > See, ChiPy is not actually, for legal purposes, a real organization. > So nobody is "responsible". We are just a bunch of people who get > together sometimes. > > It may be necessary to actually formally create a PyCon-In-Chicago > organization at some point. So far, though, we have been spending our > efforts on interesting conversation and not on bureaucracy. We have > all been blissfully non-responsible all along, and we have had some > remarkably excellent meetings all the same. > > mt > > On 11/7/06, Peter K Chan wrote: >> According to my contact from DePaul, we just need a request submitted >> from a faculty/staff and approval from the Dean. This part should not be >> difficult. >> >> What we do need is a responsible person and a date for the next meeting. >> I can make contacts, but I am unable to be that person, since I am >> neither a faculty nor a regular Chipier. >> >> I am confused by working with the mailing list. If ChiPy would like to >> explore meeting at DePaul, *someone* please email me directly at >> peter at oaktop.com and I will be happy to help. >> >> Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On >> Behalf Of Brian Ray >> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:55 AM >> To: The Chicago Python Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary >> >> Opps, I meant to send this to the list. >> >> Anyway, as you see by now, we are having both meetings. See, more is >> more... >> >> Next month lets shoot for DePaul. ... And lets >> Plan Ahea >> d >> >> >> On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Brian Ray wrote: >> >>> >>> On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Michael Tobis wrote: >>> >>>> I think it would be >>>> best for ChiPy to take jake up on the dai5ychain offer for Thursday >>>> and Fawad up for Thursday as well. >>> Sorry Carl, I think mt is right. >>> >>> We went offline last night and tried to work out the details. Here >>> is what I would like to do: >>> >>> * try to use the dai5ychail option and fawad for our regular >>> meeting thursday. I will send out the notice. >>> * hold a Special Meeting to join Ed Leafe and gang for next Tuesday. >>> >>> This way we will not break our important ChiPy schedule and still >>> give some attention to Ed, Carl, and crew. >>> >>> Sound good? >>> >>> Brian Ray >>> http://kazavoo.com >>> >>> >>> PS. I am contacting Jake off the list to get some venue details. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From rcriii at ramsdells.net Tue Nov 7 22:01:03 2006 From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (rcriii at ramsdells.net) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:01:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. In-Reply-To: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <22683.12.20.83.70.1162933263.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> I'll volunteer to do a lightning intro to Dabo. Mostly I'll show off the automated desktop database app builder that it comes with. Something to whet our appetite for next Tuesday. Robert > Thursday November 9 2006. 7:00 pm. > > This may be our best meeting yet. This is our regular Thurs. meeting. In > addition stay tuned for a special meeting to welcome Ed Leafe > http://chipy.org/EdOnDabo. > > Please ping the list to tell us what you want to address in your > lightning talk. Lets try to get one talk from each brave soul for about > 5 minutes > a piece. > > Topics > ------ > > - Python Mock Library - fawad > - Web log generation and parsing > - lightning talks > > Location > -------- > > Daisychain - 2159 W 21st Pl, Chicago il 60608 http://www.dai5ychain.net/ > map - http://tinyurl.com/ybdcxb > > About ChiPy > ----------- > > ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. > Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. > Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational > efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. > > ChiPy website: > ChiPy Mailing List: > Python website: > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From mtobis at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 22:34:32 2006 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:34:32 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: References: <0D69A467-C596-4D08-B62A-650DBC6E1412@mimectl> Message-ID: Massimo, Thanks for your interest in hosting ChiPy! Turnout is typically between 10 and 30. Our largest meeting had over 50. The host may set requirements for how late people may sign up, so attendance can be limited that way. In practice I don't think anyone has been turned away yet at a ChiPy event, and a turnout of less than 30 is to be expected. There is no legal entity called "ChiPy", only an informal tradition. As I understand it, in any legal sense any responsibility is shared between the person hosting the event and the organization that owns the property. If you are the host, it is your party! We have managed to pull this together as a sort of movable feast almost every month for over two years now. If you and your institution would like to invite Chicago Python enthusiasts to a meeting from 7 PM to roughly 9 or 10 PM, on the second Thursday of a calendar month, you will be reinforcing this tradition and contributing to the community. It would be very much appreciated. You will also find that participation in this remarkable group is very rewarding in many ways. In my own opinion, the ideal location provides a projector, a screen, conference table seating for twenty with space around the edges of the room for overflow, an accessible internet connection for the speaker (at least), snacks and soda during the meeting, reasonable climate control, and walking distance proximity to good coffee before and good beer after the meeting. Usually we don't manage all those features but that's ideal. mt From carl at personnelware.com Tue Nov 7 22:42:14 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:42:14 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. In-Reply-To: <22683.12.20.83.70.1162933263.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> References: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> <22683.12.20.83.70.1162933263.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> Message-ID: <4550FDB6.5070300@personnelware.com> Nice! I was afraid Dabo would be overlooked because of the VFPism. Mind if I setup a tripod and point a cam corder at you? It might get posted on the dabo site (that is down again...). Carl K rcriii at ramsdells.net wrote: > I'll volunteer to do a lightning intro to Dabo. Mostly I'll show off the > automated desktop database app builder that it comes with. Something to > whet our appetite for next Tuesday. > > Robert > >> Thursday November 9 2006. 7:00 pm. >> >> This may be our best meeting yet. This is our regular Thurs. meeting. In >> addition stay tuned for a special meeting to welcome Ed Leafe >> http://chipy.org/EdOnDabo. >> >> Please ping the list to tell us what you want to address in your >> lightning talk. Lets try to get one talk from each brave soul for about >> 5 minutes >> a piece. >> >> Topics >> ------ >> >> - Python Mock Library - fawad >> - Web log generation and parsing >> - lightning talks >> >> Location >> -------- >> >> Daisychain - 2159 W 21st Pl, Chicago il 60608 http://www.dai5ychain.net/ >> map - http://tinyurl.com/ybdcxb >> >> About ChiPy >> ----------- >> >> ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. >> Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. >> Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational >> efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. >> >> ChiPy website: >> ChiPy Mailing List: >> Python website: >> >> --- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From ed at leafe.com Tue Nov 7 23:04:21 2006 From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:04:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. In-Reply-To: <4550FDB6.5070300@personnelware.com> References: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> <22683.12.20.83.70.1162933263.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> <4550FDB6.5070300@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <255B19EF-528D-4A38-9E0E-57DFB24F5D6D@leafe.com> On Nov 7, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > It might get posted on the dabo site (that is down again...). I'm diligently working on getting the Zope installation working with the new Apache2 server. Got leafe.com more or less working; dabodev.com should be up and running tonight. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com From rcriii at ramsdells.net Tue Nov 7 23:16:31 2006 From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (rcriii at ramsdells.net) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:16:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. In-Reply-To: <4550FDB6.5070300@personnelware.com> References: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> <22683.12.20.83.70.1162933263.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> <4550FDB6.5070300@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <37193.12.20.83.70.1162937791.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> > Carl K wrote: > > Nice! > > I was afraid Dabo would be overlooked because of the VFPism. Nah. Dabo is a python app. The VFP angle is a historical accident. But could we work on Ed about the tabs? > > Mind if I setup a tripod and point a cam corder at you? It might get > posted on > the dabo site (that is down again...). Would you be willing to video the whole meeting (Fawad, Brian et al willing)? I'm sure that someone in the group could arrange hosting for it. Robert From bray at sent.com Tue Nov 7 23:30:52 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:30:52 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. In-Reply-To: <37193.12.20.83.70.1162937791.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> References: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> <22683.12.20.83.70.1162933263.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> <4550FDB6.5070300@personnelware.com> <37193.12.20.83.70.1162937791.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> Message-ID: On Nov 7, 2006, at 4:16 PM, rcriii at ramsdells.net wrote: > Would you be willing to video the whole meeting (Fawad, Brian et al > willing)? I'm sure that someone in the group could arrange hosting > for > it. I once suggested we do a swim-suit calendar of ourselves. Then sell it for the ChiPy slush fund. But, hey, video might be cool. at least, kinky. Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com From ed at leafe.com Tue Nov 7 23:29:59 2006 From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:29:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. In-Reply-To: <37193.12.20.83.70.1162937791.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> References: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> <22683.12.20.83.70.1162933263.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> <4550FDB6.5070300@personnelware.com> <37193.12.20.83.70.1162937791.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> Message-ID: <79695C92-84D7-40FF-9362-7E50D2117C04@leafe.com> On Nov 7, 2006, at 5:16 PM, rcriii at ramsdells.net wrote: > But could we work on Ed about the tabs? Many have tried and failed! ;-) -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com From carl at personnelware.com Tue Nov 7 23:32:31 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:32:31 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. In-Reply-To: <37193.12.20.83.70.1162937791.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> References: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> <22683.12.20.83.70.1162933263.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> <4550FDB6.5070300@personnelware.com> <37193.12.20.83.70.1162937791.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> Message-ID: <4551097F.8040506@personnelware.com> rcriii at ramsdells.net wrote: >> Carl K wrote: >> >> Nice! >> >> I was afraid Dabo would be overlooked because of the VFPism. > > Nah. Dabo is a python app. The VFP angle is a historical accident. But > could we work on Ed about the tabs? I got him into chicago - you can buy the beer :) > >> Mind if I setup a tripod and point a cam corder at you? It might get >> posted on >> the dabo site (that is down again...). > > Would you be willing to video the whole meeting (Fawad, Brian et al > willing)? I'm sure that someone in the group could arrange hosting for > it. Sure. however, I am not sure what if any equipment I will have access to. A semi-pro friend will be shooting Ed, I just pinged him to see what we can do Thurs. C From carl at personnelware.com Wed Nov 8 01:07:20 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:07:20 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday PLAN? In-Reply-To: <786ccf330611061220i31c0c9cby54d5e8ac2de65af5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1162771736.16574.275065647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <454F6472.9080309@colorstudy.com> <56795AF3-E902-4D34-B23D-25E6A107FDE4@sent.com> <454F6A0D.2020504@personnelware.com> <38AB74D3-66BA-435A-BC37-64D0194B11D9@sent.com> <454F7927.8010204@personnelware.com> <786ccf330611061220i31c0c9cby54d5e8ac2de65af5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45511FB8.3080900@personnelware.com> Ryan Hayes wrote: > I'm going to go and probably a couple of friends. Go where, and how many friends? > > On 11/6/06, jake elliott wrote: >> chipy is always welcome to use the flowershop/dai5ychain >> http://dai5ychain.net/ >> >> it's in west pilsen, just a few blocks from the pink/blue line (near >> leavitt and cermak). we have wireless and wired internet, about 15 >> linux computers, a projector and screen, and a large greenhouse that >> we use for screenings/meetings. this was the location of the first >> chicago hackmeeting (hackmeetingwiki.dai5ychain.net) that some of you >> may have come by. >> >> best >> jake >> >> On 11/6/06, sheila miguez wrote: >>> On 11/6/06, Carl Karsten wrote: >>>> Brian Ray wrote: >>>>> On Nov 6, 2006, at 11:36 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> * hold it at Monodnock >>>>>> Will someone be able to make arrangements for Monodnock? >>>>> >>>>> It was my understanding the FUDG group already booked this room. >>>>> Carl: correct me if I am wrong. >>>>> >>>> Can I confirm if you are right? :) >>>> >>>> Yes, the room is booked. however, it is about 1/2 the size as the room that the >>>> Oct chipy meeting was in, so I am now trying to find something else within >>>> waking distance. help help... >>> I just called my work and got an "official" no on outside user groups >>> (despite evidence to the contrary). I doubt I can change anyone's mind >>> in a week, or possibly ever. (damned security measures) >>> >>> Hope the DePaul thing works out for long term (though it would be >>> sweet to meet in our cafeteria here because we have two huge >>> projectors and rolling white boards) >>> >>> -- >>> sheila >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From carl at personnelware.com Thu Nov 9 22:22:16 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:22:16 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. In-Reply-To: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <45539C08.4000707@personnelware.com> Do we need to RSVP to this one? if so, count me in. If anyone wants a ride from the North burbs, I have room for 2. Carl K bray at sent.com wrote: > Thursday November 9 2006. 7:00 pm. > > This may be our best meeting yet. This is our regular Thurs. meeting. In > addition stay tuned for a special meeting to welcome Ed Leafe > http://chipy.org/EdOnDabo. > > Please ping the list to tell us what you want to address in your > lightning talk. Lets try to get one talk from each brave soul for about > 5 minutes > a piece. > > Topics > ------ > > - Python Mock Library - fawad > - Web log generation and parsing > - lightning talks > > Location > -------- > > Daisychain - 2159 W 21st Pl, Chicago il 60608 http://www.dai5ychain.net/ > map - http://tinyurl.com/ybdcxb > > About ChiPy > ----------- > > ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. > Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. > Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational > efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. > > ChiPy website: > ChiPy Mailing List: > Python website: > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From bray at sent.com Thu Nov 9 22:37:27 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:37:27 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. In-Reply-To: <45539C08.4000707@personnelware.com> References: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> <45539C08.4000707@personnelware.com> Message-ID: On Nov 9, 2006, at 3:22 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > Do we need to RSVP to this one? if so, count me in. I do not see a need to RSVP in this one. I imagine daisychain is fairly laid back and has enough room for all of us. See you all there tonight. Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com From racter at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 22:59:24 2006 From: racter at gmail.com (jake elliott) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:59:24 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. In-Reply-To: References: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> <45539C08.4000707@personnelware.com> Message-ID: > I do not see a need to RSVP in this one. I imagine daisychain is > fairly laid back and has enough room for all of us. yep, no need to RSVP here. -jake From bray at sent.com Fri Nov 10 16:59:46 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:59:46 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thanks Daisychain Message-ID: <11953860-9B53-412B-909D-46B425D15F3B@sent.com> Thanks for the great meeting all. For those of you not brave enough (ehm, too busy, i mean) I wrote it up: Regards, Brian Ray From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 17:17:05 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:17:05 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thanks Daisychain In-Reply-To: <11953860-9B53-412B-909D-46B425D15F3B@sent.com> References: <11953860-9B53-412B-909D-46B425D15F3B@sent.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0611100817p353cbdbat5d5581949ffb8f1@mail.gmail.com> That's cool, I like the description of Daisychain. Hopefully we can get in there again, I'd love to see it. Chris On 11/10/06, Brian Ray wrote: > Thanks for the great meeting all. > > For those of you not brave enough (ehm, too busy, i mean) I wrote it up: > > > > Regards, > > Brian Ray > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From shekay at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 17:47:58 2006 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:47:58 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thanks Daisychain In-Reply-To: <11953860-9B53-412B-909D-46B425D15F3B@sent.com> References: <11953860-9B53-412B-909D-46B425D15F3B@sent.com> Message-ID: On 11/10/06, Brian Ray wrote: > Thanks for the great meeting all. > > For those of you not brave enough (ehm, too busy, i mean) I wrote it up: > > > > Regards, > > Brian Ray daisychain and python brain dump It would be cool to collaborate on an art/computing/community project with daisychain. If there is interest I could start a brainstorming session but I am not sure what media is best for it. probably a wiki page since I would prefer not to impose upon people in the mailing list who wouldn't be interested. I have a lot of nutjob brainstorming for different projects I'd like to try with information visulation not just on a desktop platform but in hardware that I've been saving up in my brain (and del.icio.us account and other various places) so I don't want to continue to braindump on all of you in the mailing list. in any case, I've run the gamut from programming c and assembly on HC11 and ARM processors to doing a desktop thing using tcl and itcl (with iwidgets as the gui box of tools) to doing some backend web service thingees (for only a year now) so anyway, I have a wide-eyes view of doing some stuff down in the hardware layer which is controlled by a higher level language over in application-land and the hardware layer could be accessed by whatever is later chosen -- e.g. for testing some of the stuff I worked on I simulated a SPI and SSI interface with a control board on a test fixture driven by an HC11 and talked to the test fixture over RS232 using tcl -- but before Brian has a cow, it doesn't have to be tcl, basically any Turing complete language will do. ha ha, that is a joke. so anyway low level hardware shit with cool blinky lights and sensors or some other fun qualities (cf Hello Wall in March '05 issue of CACM in one of the articles, can provide ref or bring mag to next meeting if I find it) which is talked to by some simple protocol -- serial, whatever, probably spiffier than the pathetic HC11 thingee, but not as spiffy as ThreadX, besides, TinyOS or something else is free, and not ThreadX -- and maybe we can get some wireless cheap piece of hardware... and then on top of that, a high level language like python -- easy for naive users to learn, e.g. kids in daisychains neighborhood -- we catalyze bloom of geekdom in the minds of those who would not otherwise have had a sense of wonder about programming and computers and things with wires. art can do that. Jake mentioned that he's teaching someone turtle graphics (logo? can't remember) and I'm sure there is probably a python implementation of logo, so something simple would be to have a kid learn logo (or some other small language (forgot the TLA for that)) and watch as trails of LEDs follow the turtle curser on the computer screen. cool. this is just a simple idea of what is possible. I've tried tutoring young refugee kids in computer literacy and found the experience to be so frustrating, the vision of the class was way too limited. I know I could have done better. -- sheila From ianb at colorstudy.com Fri Nov 10 18:06:35 2006 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:06:35 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] MS & IronPython Message-ID: <4554B19B.1060208@colorstudy.com> Someone (I missed introductions; Carl?) was asking about how committed Microsoft really was to IronPython. This article showed up today entitled "Microsoft embraces AJAX, IronPython": http://computerworld.com.my/ShowPage.aspx?pagetype=2&articleid=4142&pubid=4&issueid=104 (via the Daily Python: http://www.pythonware.com/daily/) -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From ianb at colorstudy.com Fri Nov 10 18:35:43 2006 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:35:43 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] minimock Message-ID: <4554B86F.3020200@colorstudy.com> Hi guys. I thought about doing a lightning talk last night, but it was getting kind of late at that point... anyway, kind of an off-the-cuff implementation of a mock library for use with doctest (http://python.org/doc/current/lib/module-doctest.html). I wrote it up in a couple minutes here: http://svn.colorstudy.com/home/ianb/recipes/minimock.py Also copied below: r""" minimock is a simple library for doing Mock objects with doctest. When using doctest, mock objects can be very simple. Here's an example of something we might test, a simple email sender:: >>> import smtplib >>> def send_email(from_addr, to_addr, subject, body): ... conn = smtplib.SMTP('localhost') ... msg = 'To: %s\nFrom: %s\nSubject: %s\n\n%s' % ( ... to_addr, from_addr, subject, body) ... conn.sendmail(from_addr, [to_addr], msg) ... conn.quit() Now we want to make a mock ``smtplib.SMTP`` object. We'll have to inject our mock into the ``smtplib`` module:: >>> smtplib.SMTP = Mock('smtplib.SMTP') >>> smtplib.SMTP.mock_returns = Mock('smtp_connection') Now we do the test:: >>> send_email('ianb at colorstudy.com', 'joe at example.com', ... 'Hi there!', 'How is it going?') Called smtplib.SMTP('localhost') Called smtp_connection.sendmail( 'ianb at colorstudy.com', ['joe at example.com'], 'To: joe at example.com\nFrom: ianb at colorstudy.com\nSubject: Hi there!\n\nHow is it going?') Called smtp_connection.quit() Voila! We've tested implicitly that no unexpected methods were called on the object. We've also tested the arguments that the mock object got. We've provided fake return calls (for the ``smtplib.SMTP()`` constructor). These are all the core parts of a mock library. The implementation is simple because most of the work is done by doctest. """ class Mock(object): def __init__(self, name): self.name = name self.mock_returns = None self.mock_attrs = {} def __repr__(self): return '' % (hex(id(self)), self.name) def __call__(self, *args, **kw): parts = [repr(a) for a in args] parts.extend( '%s=%r' % (items) for items in sorted(kw.items())) msg = 'Called %s(%s)' % (self.name, ', '.join(parts)) if len(msg) > 80: msg = 'Called %s(\n %s)' % ( self.name, ',\n '.join(parts)) print msg return self.mock_returns def __getattr__(self, attr): if self.name: new_name = self.name + '.' + attr else: new_name = attr mock = Mock(new_name) self.mock_attrs[attr] = mock return mock if __name__ == '__main__': import doctest doctest.testmod() From skip at pobox.com Fri Nov 10 18:54:02 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:54:02 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thanks Daisychain In-Reply-To: <11953860-9B53-412B-909D-46B425D15F3B@sent.com> References: <11953860-9B53-412B-909D-46B425D15F3B@sent.com> Message-ID: <17748.48314.721514.378133@montanaro.dyndns.org> Brian> >From that: I did a quick talk on pdb. It was also an investigation into a gui front end to pdb I am working on now. I will make this a separate blog entry within the next couple days. Meanwhile, if someone can point me to a GUI front end to pdb or Python debugging in general (besides Wing IDE, I already looked at), that would be helpful. What other GUI Python Debuggers exist? Not really looking for at IDE, just looking at an interfaces for setting breakpoints and stepping through running Python code. Ken Manheimer's pdbtrack is part of the Emacs python-mode package. From Ken's original blurb: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2000-July/006865.html (There's a further link back to a posting on c.l.py but the y2k archives are pretty badly busted.) Skip From carl at personnelware.com Fri Nov 10 18:54:31 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:54:31 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] MS & IronPython In-Reply-To: <4554B19B.1060208@colorstudy.com> References: <4554B19B.1060208@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <4554BCD7.2010902@personnelware.com> Ian Bicking wrote: > Someone (I missed introductions; Carl?) was asking about how committed > Microsoft really was to IronPython. This article showed up today > entitled "Microsoft embraces AJAX, IronPython": > > http://computerworld.com.my/ShowPage.aspx?pagetype=2&articleid=4142&pubid=4&issueid=104 > > (via the Daily Python: http://www.pythonware.com/daily/) > That was me - Thanks. http://asp.net/ironpython Copyright ? 2006 Microsoft This is the smoke I was looking for. It makes adds to the "business case" for going with Python. Sometimes the technical merits are nothing compared to the perception, and this is huge perception boost. Carl K From rcriii at ramsdells.net Fri Nov 10 22:06:30 2006 From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (rcriii at ramsdells.net) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:06:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Chicago] minimock In-Reply-To: <4554B86F.3020200@colorstudy.com> References: <4554B86F.3020200@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <53325.12.20.83.70.1163192790.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> Some one asked me how long I had spent with Dabo to get where I was. I started looking at it a couple of weeks ago, but really only devoted about 3 full days to it (with caveats about how productive I am when the time is chopped up). In that time I: Figured out the App wizard Added a tab to one page in a Wizard generated app Figured out how to make one field in the form a hyperlink in the generated app Figured out how to customize the auto-report > Ian Bicking wrote: > > I wrote it up in a couple minutes here: > http://svn.colorstudy.com/home/ianb/recipes/minimock.py > Also copied below: > Keeping score: Robert: 3 days to make minor changes to an existing app Ian: 3 minutes to make a brand-new testing app. Sigh Robert From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 19:45:53 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:45:53 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, November 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3096c19d0611101045t4bf7f2a6tebc38e8677c967ab@mail.gmail.com> Hey Chipsters. O'Reilly is now giving 35% off books if you use their code. Just an FYI. Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marsee Henon Date: Nov 10, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, November 10 To: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Hello, We have some good news to announce. We've just increased the user group discount to 35% off all books and PDFs. The discount code stays the same--DSUG. And don't forget we still offer free shipping for orders in the US of $29.95 or more. 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Until next time-- Marsee Henon ================================================================ O'Reilly 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA 95472 http://ug.oreilly.com/ http://ug.oreilly.com/creativemedia/ ================================================================ From david at graniteweb.com Tue Nov 7 20:35:07 2006 From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:35:07 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] meeting time should not vary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061107193507.GA26744@wdfs.graniteweb.com> * Michael Tobis [2006-11-07 13:19]: > I had a similar problem with Loyola. In the end it was too problematic > to meet at Loyola because their bureaucracy needed some other > bureaucracy to deal with. > > See, ChiPy is not actually, for legal purposes, a real organization. > So nobody is "responsible". We are just a bunch of people who get > together sometimes. > > It may be necessary to actually formally create a PyCon-In-Chicago > organization at some point. So far, though, we have been spending our > efforts on interesting conversation and not on bureaucracy. We have > all been blissfully non-responsible all along, and we have had some > remarkably excellent meetings all the same. Yes, it has really been more of a collection of people that happen to like Python getting together on a fairly regular schedule. Perhaps we have been lucky doing it that way, but ultimately it has worked out well to show up where we can, when we can. There has been only one time where our short planning time has left us without a meeting; not too bad considering it's been going for several years now. :-) -- David Rock david at graniteweb.com From rcriii at ramsdells.net Sat Nov 11 17:57:30 2006 From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (Robert Ramsdell) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 10:57:30 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Generic wx App Message-ID: <1163264250.7047.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> When I gave my presentation at the meeting there was a question about wx in general. Here is a very generic application written in wxPython. I use it as a base whenever I want to make a new gui app. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <20061113083816.83355.qmail@web15610.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> hello,all guys, i am starting to make a python gui app with wxPython, and later i want to using c extension to call it. there is my python code(app.py): from wxPython.wx import * class MyApp(wxApp): def OnInit(self): frame = wxFrame(NULL,-1,"Hello from wxPython") frame.Show(true) self.SetTopWindow(frame) return true app = MyApp(0) app.MainLoop() and also the c extension code #include "python.h" //#include "wxPython.h" #include using namespace std; static PyMethodDef g_methodDefinition = {NULL}; #define ERROR(pyObject,msg) {if (pyObject == NULL){printf("%s",msg);PyErr_Print();exit(1);}} int main() { PyObject *pWorkObject,*pModule,*pClass,*pInstance,*pMethod;//,*pWxpythonModule; Py_Initialize(); if (!Py_IsInitialized()) { cerr << "can not initialize the python object!" << endl; return -1; } //pWxpythonModule = PyImport_ImportModule("wxPython.wx"); //ERROR(pWxpythonModule,"cannot load wxPython.wx"); //load the module pModule = PyImport_ImportModule((char*)"app"); ERROR(pModule,"can not load app module!") .//omit some when the code comes to import the app module,it crashed.later with PyErr_Print,i get the error message is as follow: can not load app module!Traceback (most recent call last): File "c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\MyProjects\runPythonGUI\app.py" , line 1, in ? from wxPython.wx import * File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wxPython\__init__.py", line 10, in ? import _wx File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wxPython\_wx.py", line 3, in ? from _core import * File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wxPython\_core.py", lin e 15, in ? import wx._core File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wx\__init__.py", line 4 2, in ? from wx._core import * File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wx\_core.py", line 4, i n ? import _core_ ImportError: No module named _core_ Press any key to continue though i have added the directory where the pyd lives in sys.path or the environment,it doesnot come into effect.also, as the _core_.pyd is accompanied with _core.py and _core.pyc.and it means that it can satisfy the basic need that pyd searches the path.and i can make sure that the problem can not come because it is a .pyd. any suggestions and feedback will be greatly appreciated! thanks ,really regards, jolley --------------------------------- ????????????-3.5G??????20M???? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20061113/99fa4380/attachment.htm From rcriii at ramsdells.net Tue Nov 14 02:41:53 2006 From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (Robert Ramsdell) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:41:53 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] using wxPython gui application in c? In-Reply-To: <20061113083816.83355.qmail@web15610.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> References: <20061113083816.83355.qmail@web15610.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1163468513.4824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello Jolley. I'm not sure what is going on with your code, but try this for the Python side of things: import wx class MyApp(wx.Frame): def __init__(self, title='MyApp'): self.app = wx.PySimpleApp() self.title = title self.windowCaption = title wx.Frame.__init__(self,None,wx.ID_ANY, self.windowCaption, size=(200,100), style=wx.DEFAULT_FRAME_STYLE| wx.NO_FULL_REPAINT_ON_RESIZE) app = MyApp() app.mainloop() I posted a more elaborate example to the list last week. Robert On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 16:38 +0800, ?? ? wrote: > hello,all guys, > i am starting to make a python gui app with wxPython, and later > i want to using c extension to call it. > there is my python code(app.py): > > from wxPython.wx import * > class MyApp(wxApp): > def OnInit(self): > frame = wxFrame(NULL,-1,"Hello from wxPython") > frame.Show(true) > self.SetTopWindow(frame) > return true > app = MyApp(0) > app.MainLoop() > > and also the c extension code > > #include "python.h" > //#include "wxPython.h" > #include > using namespace std; > static PyMethodDef g_methodDefinition = {NULL}; > #define ERROR(pyObject,msg) {if (pyObject == NULL){printf("% > s",msg);PyErr_Print();exit(1);}} > int main() > { > PyObject > *pWorkObject,*pModule,*pClass,*pInstance,*pMethod;//,*pWxpythonModule; > Py_Initialize(); > if (!Py_IsInitialized()) > { > cerr << "can not initialize the python object!" << endl; > return -1; > } > //pWxpythonModule = PyImport_ImportModule("wxPython.wx"); > //ERROR(pWxpythonModule,"cannot load wxPython.wx"); > > //load the module > pModule = PyImport_ImportModule((char*)"app"); > ERROR(pModule,"can not load app module!") > .//omit some > when the code comes to import the app module,it crashed.later with > PyErr_Print,i get the error message is as follow: > can not load app module!Traceback (most recent call last): > File "c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\MyProjects > \runPythonGUI\app.py" > , line 1, in ? > from wxPython.wx import * > File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wxPython > \__init__.py", > line 10, in ? > import _wx > File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wxPython > \_wx.py", line > 3, in ? > from _core import * > File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wxPython > \_core.py", lin > e 15, in ? > import wx._core > File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wx > \__init__.py", line 4 > 2, in ? > from wx._core import * > File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wx\_core.py", > line 4, i > n ? > import _core_ > ImportError: No module named _core_ > Press any key to continue > though i have added the directory where the pyd lives in sys.path or > the environment,it doesnot come into effect.also, as the _core_.pyd > is accompanied with _core.py and _core.pyc.and it means that it can > satisfy the basic need that pyd searches the path.and i can make sure > that the problem can not come because it is a .pyd. > any suggestions and feedback will be greatly appreciated! > thanks ,really > regards, > jolley > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ??????-3.5G???20M?? > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From racter at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 02:46:04 2006 From: racter at gmail.com (jake elliott) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:46:04 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thanks Daisychain In-Reply-To: <11953860-9B53-412B-909D-46B425D15F3B@sent.com> References: <11953860-9B53-412B-909D-46B425D15F3B@sent.com> Message-ID: nice writeup, brian i had a great time -- this was our best SIG yet ;) great to meet you folx - i hope to continue conversations we started there && also that you will consider yourselves welcome to use the space for future tech/community-related projects+events. best jake On 11/10/06, Brian Ray wrote: > Thanks for the great meeting all. > > For those of you not brave enough (ehm, too busy, i mean) I wrote it up: > > > > Regards, > > Brian Ray > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From jolley84 at yahoo.com.cn Tue Nov 14 04:51:16 2006 From: jolley84 at yahoo.com.cn (=?gb2312?q?=B7=C5=DC=F8=20=CC=B8?=) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:51:16 +0800 (CST) Subject: [Chicago] =?gb2312?q?=BB=D8=B8=B4=A3=BA=20Re:=20=20using=20wxPython=20gui?= =?gb2312?q?=20application=20in=20c=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1163468513.4824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061114035116.34338.qmail@web15614.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> thanks robert for the reply,and i have understood your revision on my script and i also feel sorry for not making you understand my intention,and here i will say it once more. it is a python script project which uses python/c api to make the python interpreter for the script.and the python script part is something a simple frame , and in the c/c++ part, the work will involve with extending the python script functionality. which starts like: Py_Initialize(); PyImport_ImportModule("app"); and later goes on with the other operation and the nightmare comes when i import the app python script.and it throws the notorious import error:ImportError:no module named "_core_",which actually resides in the location of C:\Python24\Lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wx,with other files named _core.py, _core.pyc. it seems that the python doesnot find the search path.and i added to the sys.path, to check whether the path now can be found,i type "import _core_".it response by"no module named _core_",.furthermore after checking this failure, i add the _core_.pyd,_core.py,_core.py directory to the path(advance->environment variable).certainly the sys.path increase the specific directory.but still when wanting to check whether it is feasible,the error remains(no module named "_core_"). hope that u can get what i explains to u, pls be patient with a non-english country guy.thanks again :) regards, jolley Robert Ramsdell ?????? Hello Jolley. I'm not sure what is going on with your code, but try this for the Python side of things: import wx class MyApp(wx.Frame): def __init__(self, title='MyApp'): self.app = wx.PySimpleApp() self.title = title self.windowCaption = title wx.Frame.__init__(self,None,wx.ID_ANY, self.windowCaption, size=(200,100), style=wx.DEFAULT_FRAME_STYLE| wx.NO_FULL_REPAINT_ON_RESIZE) app = MyApp() app.mainloop() I posted a more elaborate example to the list last week. Robert On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 16:38 +0800, ???? ?? wrote: > hello,all guys, > i am starting to make a python gui app with wxPython, and later > i want to using c extension to call it. > there is my python code(app.py): > > from wxPython.wx import * > class MyApp(wxApp): > def OnInit(self): > frame = wxFrame(NULL,-1,"Hello from wxPython") > frame.Show(true) > self.SetTopWindow(frame) > return true > app = MyApp(0) > app.MainLoop() > > and also the c extension code > > #include "python.h" > //#include "wxPython.h" > #include > using namespace std; > static PyMethodDef g_methodDefinition = {NULL}; > #define ERROR(pyObject,msg) {if (pyObject == NULL){printf("% > s",msg);PyErr_Print();exit(1);}} > int main() > { > PyObject > *pWorkObject,*pModule,*pClass,*pInstance,*pMethod;//,*pWxpythonModule; > Py_Initialize(); > if (!Py_IsInitialized()) > { > cerr << "can not initialize the python object!" << endl; > return -1; > } > //pWxpythonModule = PyImport_ImportModule("wxPython.wx"); > //ERROR(pWxpythonModule,"cannot load wxPython.wx"); > > //load the module > pModule = PyImport_ImportModule((char*)"app"); > ERROR(pModule,"can not load app module!") > .//omit some > when the code comes to import the app module,it crashed.later with > PyErr_Print,i get the error message is as follow: > can not load app module!Traceback (most recent call last): > File "c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\MyProjects > \runPythonGUI\app.py" > , line 1, in ? > from wxPython.wx import * > File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wxPython > \__init__.py", > line 10, in ? > import _wx > File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wxPython > \_wx.py", line > 3, in ? > from _core import * > File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wxPython > \_core.py", lin > e 15, in ? > import wx._core > File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wx > \__init__.py", line 4 > 2, in ? > from wx._core import * > File "C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\wx-2.6-msw-unicode\wx\_core.py", > line 4, i > n ? > import _core_ > ImportError: No module named _core_ > Press any key to continue > though i have added the directory where the pyd lives in sys.path or > the environment,it doesnot come into effect.also, as the _core_.pyd > is accompanied with _core.py and _core.pyc.and it means that it can > satisfy the basic need that pyd searches the path.and i can make sure > that the problem can not come because it is a .pyd. > any suggestions and feedback will be greatly appreciated! > thanks ,really > regards, > jolley > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ????????????-3.5G??????20M???? > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago --------------------------------- ????????????-3.5G??????20M???? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20061114/18691fcf/attachment.html From jolley84 at yahoo.com.cn Tue Nov 14 13:36:42 2006 From: jolley84 at yahoo.com.cn (=?gb2312?q?=B7=C5=DC=F8=20=CC=B8?=) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:36:42 +0800 (CST) Subject: [Chicago] python and c import error Message-ID: <20061114123642.80435.qmail@web15601.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> here is a script which shows the creation of a frame. with its name app.py import wx class MyApp(wx.App): def OnInit(self,title = "MyApp"): self.app = wx.PySimpleApp() self.title = title self.windowCaption = title wx.Frame.__init__(self,None,self.ID_ANY,self.windowCaption, size = (200,100), style = wx.DEFAULT_WINDOW_STYLE| wx.NO_FULL_REPAINT_NO_RESIZE) app = MyApp(0) app.MainLoop() hmm,the python script is povided by Robert ,thanks again for the valuable revision on my former script,it's ugly and not smart. and then when i intend to use it in c extension.so,i start by #include "python.h" #include #define ERROR(object,msg) {if(object == NULL) {printf("%s",msg);PyErr_Print();exit(1);}} int main() { PyInitialize(); if(!PyInitialized()) { printf("initialization of python fails!"); exit(1); } //load the module. PyObject *pModule,*pAddedModule,*pClass,*pMethod,*pArgs,*pInstance; pModule = PyImport_ImportModule("app"); ERROR(pModule,"the module can not be loaded!") //imo wx is a library embedded in the python library,so i donot intend to add it to the module //load the imported wx library pAddedModule = PyImport_AddModule("wx"); ERROR(pAddedModule,"the module can not be loaded!") //load the class pClass = PyObject_GetAttrString(pModule,"MyApp"); ERROR(pClass ,"the class can not be loaded!") Py_DECREF(pModule); //load the method pArgs= Py_BuildValue("()"); ERROR(pArgs,"the format is not decided!"); pInstance = PyEval_CallObject(pClass,pArgs); ERROR(pInstance,"the instance of the class can not be loaded!") Py_DECREF(pClass); Py_DECREF(pArgs); pMethod = PyObject_GetAttrString(pInstance,"OnInit"); Py_DECREF(pInstance); ERROR(pMethod,"method can not be loaded!"); PyEval_CallObject(pMethod); Py_DECREF(pMethod); Py_Finalize(); return 0; } and the problem came when loading the "app"module,and it crashed because of the import of wx.what's more, the detailed error message is "ImportError:no module named "_core_"",while actually.it really resides in my pythonLib/lib/site-packages/. thanks if anyone can help me,and i have spent 3days pondering over this matter,and my headached. regards, jolley --------------------------------- ????????????-3.5G??????20M???? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20061114/1f67826a/attachment.html From rcriii at ramsdells.net Tue Nov 14 14:33:04 2006 From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (Robert Ramsdell) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:33:04 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] python and c import error In-Reply-To: <20061114123642.80435.qmail@web15601.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> References: <20061114123642.80435.qmail@web15601.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1163511184.4824.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Does your python script work before you try importing it into the C extension? When I try it it does not work. However, my last version did not work either, the following does (I forgot to define mainloop): import wx class MyApp(wx.Frame): def __init__(self,title = "MyApp"): self.app = wx.PySimpleApp() self.title = title self.windowCaption = title wx.Frame.__init__(self,None,wx.ID_ANY, self.windowCaption, size=(200,100), style=wx.DEFAULT_FRAME_STYLE| wx.NO_FULL_REPAINT_ON_RESIZE) self.Show(True) # These functions run the app def mainloop(self): self.app.MainLoop() if __name__ == "__main__": newapp = MyApp() newapp.mainloop() However, I'm not at all sure how this will play with the c extension, I'm afraid that's over my head. Robert On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 20:36 +0800, Jolley wrote: > here is a script which shows the creation of a frame. > with its name app.py > import wx > class MyApp(wx.App): > def OnInit(self,title = "MyApp"): > self.app = wx.PySimpleApp() > self.title = title > self.windowCaption = title > > wx.Frame.__init__(self,None,self.ID_ANY,self.windowCaption, > size = (200,100), > style = > wx.DEFAULT_WINDOW_STYLE| > wx.NO_FULL_REPAINT_NO_RESIZE) > app = MyApp(0) > app.MainLoop() > hmm,the python script is povided by Robert ,thanks again for the > valuable revision on my former script,it's ugly and not smart. > and then when i intend to use it in c extension.so,i start by > From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Sat Nov 11 17:08:49 2006 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 10:08:49 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Next meeting References: <11953860-9B53-412B-909D-46B425D15F3B@sent.com> Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781280@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> I reserved DePaul CTI room 924 for Dec 14. Massimo Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ From mtobis at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 02:25:11 2006 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:25:11 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] store locator page bug Message-ID: Those of you who remember our extensive discussions about store locator back-ends and crow's flight distances and so on may be amused by my recent store locator misadventure on kfc.com . http://pining.blogspot.com mt From jolley84 at yahoo.com.cn Wed Nov 15 11:46:29 2006 From: jolley84 at yahoo.com.cn (=?gb2312?q?=B7=C5=DC=F8=20=CC=B8?=) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:46:29 +0800 (CST) Subject: [Chicago] =?gb2312?q?=BB=D8=B8=B4=A3=BA=20Re:=20=20python=20and=20c=20impo?= =?gb2312?q?rt=20error?= In-Reply-To: <1163511184.4824.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061115104629.77940.qmail@web15608.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> thanks robert,u are helpful. my script is in low version of wxpython,and it should upgrade,the first script that i hand to u is in wxpython2.6.3,and mostly in the script,wxPython is used there.and with the version enhanced,the use of wxpython has shifted to wx.so i should use "import wx" not "from wxPython.wx import * "and also the mainloop, i should pay my attention to the version issue,which can results in nightmare. and also my script i handed to u is not right, as i just revise sth in order to upgrade the version. in addition, just a pity thing is that the c extension issue is not explained, anyway thanks. later i just reinstall the python-connected software in another pc, and it goes just the same,however, the _core_ is unclearly solved.thanks to god,now i start to build wxPython from src, but the build fails,as it needs vc2003,mine is vc6.and hope that it can be resolved as soon as possible.i find writing python in c extension is more difficult than a single python script,just the bad configurations, regards, jolley Robert Ramsdell ?????? Does your python script work before you try importing it into the C extension? When I try it it does not work. However, my last version did not work either, the following does (I forgot to define mainloop): import wx class MyApp(wx.Frame): def __init__(self,title = "MyApp"): self.app = wx.PySimpleApp() self.title = title self.windowCaption = title wx.Frame.__init__(self,None,wx.ID_ANY, self.windowCaption, size=(200,100), style=wx.DEFAULT_FRAME_STYLE| wx.NO_FULL_REPAINT_ON_RESIZE) self.Show(True) # These functions run the app def mainloop(self): self.app.MainLoop() if __name__ == "__main__": newapp = MyApp() newapp.mainloop() However, I'm not at all sure how this will play with the c extension, I'm afraid that's over my head. Robert On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 20:36 +0800, Jolley wrote: > here is a script which shows the creation of a frame. > with its name app.py > import wx > class MyApp(wx.App): > def OnInit(self,title = "MyApp"): > self.app = wx.PySimpleApp() > self.title = title > self.windowCaption = title > > wx.Frame.__init__(self,None,self.ID_ANY,self.windowCaption, > size = (200,100), > style = > wx.DEFAULT_WINDOW_STYLE| > wx.NO_FULL_REPAINT_NO_RESIZE) > app = MyApp(0) > app.MainLoop() > hmm,the python script is povided by Robert ,thanks again for the > valuable revision on my former script,it's ugly and not smart. > and then when i intend to use it in c extension.so,i start by > _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago --------------------------------- ????????????????-3.5G??????20M?????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20061115/f6e68f36/attachment.htm From joebaker at dcresearch.com Wed Nov 15 15:13:20 2006 From: joebaker at dcresearch.com (Joe Baker) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:13:20 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG Message-ID: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> Would anybody be interested in presenting TurboGears to our BurlingtonLinux.org meeting? We typically meet the 1st Monday of the month from 5 - 8pm. Burlington is only about 25 minutes Southwest from Milwaukee. -Joe Baker 262-763-3591 Work From shekay at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 16:42:45 2006 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:42:45 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> Message-ID: On 11/15/06, Joe Baker wrote: > Would anybody be interested in presenting TurboGears to our > BurlingtonLinux.org meeting? > > We typically meet the 1st Monday of the month from 5 - 8pm. > > Burlington is only about 25 minutes Southwest from Milwaukee. > > -Joe Baker > 262-763-3591 Work I've forwarded this to Mark, who wrote , because I've exchanged a few email messages with him and think he might be willing to give a talk in conjunction with presenting his book. I was also wondering if chipy might be interested in hearing him talk. He's not that far away. About a four hour drive (from Ann Arbor) and I've been thinking it would be fun to take a road trip there, so maybe I could kill two birds and offer a ride. I can arrange free lodging for the Chicago area, at least. any interested? -- sheila From bray at sent.com Wed Nov 15 16:56:17 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:56:17 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> Message-ID: <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:42 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > any interested? Yes, IMO, I think this would be a great talk for ChiPy. Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com From shekay at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 17:46:34 2006 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:46:34 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> Message-ID: On 11/15/06, Brian Ray wrote: > > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:42 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > > > > any interested? > > Yes, IMO, I think this would be a great talk for ChiPy. Awesome. He just replied and said he'd be up for a drive to Chicago sometime. When do you guys want to invite him? -- sheila From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Nov 16 06:27:54 2006 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:27:54 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> Message-ID: <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> sheila miguez wrote: > On 11/15/06, Brian Ray wrote: >> >> On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:42 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >> >>> any interested? >> Yes, IMO, I think this would be a great talk for ChiPy. > > Awesome. He just replied and said he'd be up for a drive to Chicago > sometime. When do you guys want to invite him? I wonder if we could set up another meeting at Google? (Brian?) I wasn't at the last one, but it sounded like a popular venue. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From fitz at red-bean.com Thu Nov 16 06:50:51 2006 From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:50:51 -0800 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: On 11/15/06, Ian Bicking wrote: > I wonder if we could set up another meeting at Google? (Brian?) I > wasn't at the last one, but it sounded like a popular venue. I'm working on the details to host some future Chipy meetings--there's no stop energy here for having the meeting, it just takes a little planning as we need to get the security guards etc. (and one of the engineers has to be in town as well). BTW, I'll make sure that everyone knows next time that they are *not* required to sign the NDA for the meeting--that was a total oversight on my part at the last meeting. -Fitz From fawad at fawad.net Thu Nov 16 15:17:12 2006 From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:17:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> On Wed, November 15, 2006 23:27, Ian Bicking wrote: > sheila miguez wrote: >> On 11/15/06, Brian Ray wrote: >> >>> >>> On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:42 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >>> >>> >>>> any interested? >>> Yes, IMO, I think this would be a great talk for ChiPy. >>> >> >> Awesome. He just replied and said he'd be up for a drive to Chicago >> sometime. When do you guys want to invite him? > > I wonder if we could set up another meeting at Google? (Brian?) I > wasn't at the last one, but it sounded like a popular venue. > > -- > Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org Massimo's already reserved a room at DePaul for the December meeting. Why not just do the TurboGears thing then? -fawad From mark.mchristensen at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 15:28:27 2006 From: mark.mchristensen at gmail.com (Mark Ramm) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:28:27 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> Message-ID: > Massimo's already reserved a room at DePaul for the December meeting. Why > not just do the TurboGears thing then? Hi, This is Mark (the aforementioned TurboGears presenter guy) Sorry to be coming in to this conversation a bit late. When is the December meeting scheduled? I'd like to check my calender to see if I'm available. --Mark Ramm From carl at personnelware.com Thu Nov 16 16:09:49 2006 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:09:49 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> Message-ID: <455C7F3D.7010901@personnelware.com> Mark Ramm wrote: >> Massimo's already reserved a room at DePaul for the December meeting. Why >> not just do the TurboGears thing then? > > Hi, > > This is Mark (the aforementioned TurboGears presenter guy) Sorry to be > coming in to this conversation a bit late. When is the December > meeting scheduled? I'd like to check my calender to see if I'm > available. > 2nd Thursday: Dec 14 Carl K From bray at sent.com Thu Nov 16 16:14:10 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:14:10 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> Message-ID: On Nov 16, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Mark Ramm wrote: >> Massimo's already reserved a room at DePaul for the December >> meeting. Why >> not just do the TurboGears thing then? > > This is Mark (the aforementioned TurboGears presenter guy) Sorry to be > coming in to this conversation a bit late. When is the December > meeting scheduled? I'd like to check my calender to see if I'm > available. > Thursday. January 11 2006. 7 pm. DePaul CTI 243 S Wabash Ave. room 924 Hope you can make it. Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com From shekay at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 16:37:49 2006 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:37:49 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> Message-ID: On 11/16/06, Brian Ray wrote: > > > On Nov 16, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Mark Ramm wrote: > > This is Mark (the aforementioned TurboGears presenter guy) Sorry to be > > coming in to this conversation a bit late. When is the December > > meeting scheduled? I'd like to check my calender to see if I'm > > available. > > > > > Thursday. January 11 2006. 7 pm. > > DePaul CTI 243 S Wabash Ave. room 924 > > Hope you can make it. The December meeting is in January? -- sheila From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Thu Nov 16 17:13:06 2006 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:13:06 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com><13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com><455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com><44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478131E@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> The room is reserved for Dec 14 at 7pm until 10pm. Room 924 at CTI, 243 S. Wabash Ave. Massimo Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ ________________________________ From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of sheila miguez Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 9:37 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG On 11/16/06, Brian Ray wrote: > > > On Nov 16, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Mark Ramm wrote: > > This is Mark (the aforementioned TurboGears presenter guy) Sorry to be > > coming in to this conversation a bit late. When is the December > > meeting scheduled? I'd like to check my calender to see if I'm > > available. > > > > > Thursday. January 11 2006. 7 pm. > > DePaul CTI 243 S Wabash Ave. room 924 > > Hope you can make it. The December meeting is in January? -- sheila _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From bray at sent.com Thu Nov 16 18:02:41 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:02:41 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> Message-ID: On Nov 16, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > > DePaul CTI 243 S Wabash Ave. room 924 I mean: Thurs Dec 14, 2006 7pm I have had my coffee now, I promise. Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com From maney at two14.net Thu Nov 16 18:16:26 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:16:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> Message-ID: <20061116171626.GA30994@furrr.two14.net> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:37:49AM -0600, sheila miguez wrote: > The December meeting is in January? Avoids the holiday madness that way. -- These are people who panic when the power goes off and they're trapped on an escalator. -- John Walker From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Thu Nov 16 18:28:24 2006 From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:28:24 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] speaking of coffee.... Don't forget TechCoffee - Season 2 is in on... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brian Ray wrote on 11/16/2006 11:02:41 AM: > I have had my coffee now, I promise. "TechCoffee is an idea that's part running club, part knitting bee, and part hackathon." http://techcoffee.infogami.com/ The fifth session of TechCoffee Season Two will be tomorrow (Friday, November 17th), at 7am. We'll be meeting at the Caribou Coffee on LaSalle and Lake. John Melesky and I (though mostly John at this point :-) are working on a writing an infogami.com clone as a Django app. Come on by and join the fun! -Jason From kapteynr at cboe.com Wed Nov 15 20:59:41 2006 From: kapteynr at cboe.com (Kapteyn, Rob) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:59:41 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Next meeting Message-ID: Thanks Massimo. DePaul CTI has nice meeting rooms. With a projector ? -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of DiPierro, Massimo Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 10:09 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group; The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: [Chicago] Next meeting I reserved DePaul CTI room 924 for Dec 14. Massimo Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From jawolter at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 07:01:15 2006 From: jawolter at gmail.com (Jonathan Andrew Wolter) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:01:15 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: <20061116171626.GA30994@furrr.two14.net> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <20061116171626.GA30994@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <32ca7bf50611162201n8113330mf365f7d29fcb24df@mail.gmail.com> Once all the presenters are settled down, we can post it to Techsocial.com, that chicago tech event calendar (Disclaimer that's my baby :-) But seriously, you can now post events online . Then it'll be announced for a few hundred developers and entrepreneurs to read about... and maybe one or two more people will attend. -jaw -- Connect on LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/jawolter Skype: JAWspeak AIM: getPMA Y!: jcobbers JAWspeak.com - economics podcast, blog on entrepreneurship and web2.0 Techsocial.com - Chicago tech entrepreneur event calendar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20061117/ad93f463/attachment-0001.htm From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Fri Nov 17 16:03:54 2006 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:03:54 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Next meeting References: Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781326@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Yes Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ ________________________________ From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Kapteyn, Rob Sent: Wed 11/15/2006 1:59 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] Next meeting Thanks Massimo. DePaul CTI has nice meeting rooms. With a projector ? -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of DiPierro, Massimo Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 10:09 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group; The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: [Chicago] Next meeting I reserved DePaul CTI room 924 for Dec 14. Massimo Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mark.mchristensen at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 05:42:58 2006 From: mark.mchristensen at gmail.com (Mark Ramm) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> Message-ID: > This is Mark (the aforementioned TurboGears presenter guy) Sorry to be > coming in to this conversation a bit late. When is the December > meeting scheduled? I'd like to check my calender to see if I'm > available. It looks like I can move a couple of things around and be there in December. I've noticed that most meetings get planned on a "just-in-time" basis, and I'd love to come and talk in December or January. Let me know what works for you guys. --Mark From bray at sent.com Tue Nov 21 16:14:00 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:14:00 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> Message-ID: <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> On Nov 20, 2006, at 10:42 PM, Mark Ramm wrote: > ings get planned on a > "just-in-time" basis, and I'd love to come and talk i We have built a JIT compiler just for our meetings. Done 90% in Python. Surprisingly, it sometimes even generates bite-code (AKA pizza). Its very maintainable except for the garbage collection module that consists of the other 10%, beer. The beer-code is new language we developed in my garage. Its intentionally obfuscated so that we have something to do at our next sprint (job insurance). The Python code is very easy to read and contains not bugs (just new features). Somehow, somewhere, we end up all getting together and a meeting will be executed (or the presenter, in case they choose to present on something off topic, like my Beer-language, big nono, just Python, its ChiPy, doh). My vote is you headline our next meeting, at DePaul, on Dec 14. How does this sound? Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com From ianb at colorstudy.com Tue Nov 21 16:20:08 2006 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:20:08 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> Message-ID: <45631928.9060904@colorstudy.com> Brian Ray wrote: > On Nov 20, 2006, at 10:42 PM, Mark Ramm wrote: > >> ings get planned on a >> "just-in-time" basis, and I'd love to come and talk i > > > We have built a JIT compiler just for our meetings. Done 90% in > Python. Surprisingly, it sometimes even generates bite-code (AKA > pizza). Its very maintainable except for the garbage collection > module that consists of the other 10%, beer. The beer-code is new > language we developed in my garage. Its intentionally obfuscated so > that we have something to do at our next sprint (job insurance). The > Python code is very easy to read and contains not bugs (just new > features). Somehow, somewhere, we end up all getting together and a > meeting will be executed (or the presenter, in case they choose to > present on something off topic, like my Beer-language, big nono, just > Python, its ChiPy, doh). > > My vote is you headline our next meeting, at DePaul, on Dec 14. > > How does this sound? I second that and declare it decided! (I think our decision process also works on a first-to-declare-it-decided-decides model) -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 16:36:37 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:36:37 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: <45631928.9060904@colorstudy.com> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> <45631928.9060904@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0611210736q95df93ds4eaf5d2198d73d56@mail.gmail.com> On 11/21/06, Ian Bicking wrote: > Brian Ray wrote: > > On Nov 20, 2006, at 10:42 PM, Mark Ramm wrote: > > > >> ings get planned on a > >> "just-in-time" basis, and I'd love to come and talk i > > > > > > We have built a JIT compiler just for our meetings. Done 90% in > > Python. Surprisingly, it sometimes even generates bite-code (AKA > > pizza). Its very maintainable except for the garbage collection > > module that consists of the other 10%, beer. The beer-code is new > > language we developed in my garage. Its intentionally obfuscated so > > that we have something to do at our next sprint (job insurance). The > > Python code is very easy to read and contains not bugs (just new > > features). Somehow, somewhere, we end up all getting together and a > > meeting will be executed (or the presenter, in case they choose to > > present on something off topic, like my Beer-language, big nono, just > > Python, its ChiPy, doh). > > > > My vote is you headline our next meeting, at DePaul, on Dec 14. > > > > How does this sound? > > I second that and declare it decided! (I think our decision process > also works on a first-to-declare-it-decided-decides model) I've added this decision to the "chiPy Tome of Decisions." We have one of those. Chris From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Tue Nov 21 16:41:47 2006 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:41:47 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com><13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com><455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com><44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781343@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> If somebody sends me a title I would like to advertise the meeting on the DePaul web page. Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ ________________________________ From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Brian Ray Sent: Tue 11/21/2006 9:14 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG On Nov 20, 2006, at 10:42 PM, Mark Ramm wrote: > ings get planned on a > "just-in-time" basis, and I'd love to come and talk i We have built a JIT compiler just for our meetings. Done 90% in Python. Surprisingly, it sometimes even generates bite-code (AKA pizza). Its very maintainable except for the garbage collection module that consists of the other 10%, beer. The beer-code is new language we developed in my garage. Its intentionally obfuscated so that we have something to do at our next sprint (job insurance). The Python code is very easy to read and contains not bugs (just new features). Somehow, somewhere, we end up all getting together and a meeting will be executed (or the presenter, in case they choose to present on something off topic, like my Beer-language, big nono, just Python, its ChiPy, doh). My vote is you headline our next meeting, at DePaul, on Dec 14. How does this sound? Brian Ray http://kazavoo.com _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From jolley84 at yahoo.com.cn Thu Nov 23 09:04:06 2006 From: jolley84 at yahoo.com.cn (=?gb2312?q?=B7=C5=DC=F8=20=CC=B8?=) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:04:06 +0800 (CST) Subject: [Chicago] using python extension(wxpython) in c Message-ID: <9204.58432.qm@web15607.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> hello,all. i am confronting with a weird problem, almost forcing to die,the feeling is miserable, so pls help me. here is a python application named "helloWorld",a simple gui application, assisted with wxPython. from wxPython.wx import * class myApp(wxApp): def OnInit(self): frame = wxFrame(NULL,-1,"hello,world!"); frame.Show(true) self.SetTopWindow(frame) return true app = myApp() app.MainLoop() also sorry for my unsmart code, which i should import wx not wxPython.wx. and i want to use the simplest way to combine with c.so i use: #include "python.h" #include "wx/wxPython/wxPython.h" #include using namespace std; int main() { Py_Initialize(); if(!Py_IsInitialized()) { cerr << "hello,world!"<< endl; return -1; } PyRun_SimpleString("from wxPython.wx import *"); PyRun_SimpleString("class myApp(wxApp):"); PyRun_SimpleString(" def OnInit(self):"); PyRun_SimpleString(" frame = wxFrame(NULL,-1,"hello,world!")"); PyRun_SimpleString(" frame.Show(true)"); PyRun_SimpleString(" self.SetTopWindow(frame)"); PyRun_SimpleString(" return true"); PyRun_SimpleString("app = myApp()"); PyRun_SimpleString("app.MainLoop()"); Py_Finalize(); return 0; } in addition, to make this work, i have configure something like this: add the wxpython include/library files in vc. includes: c:\wxPython-src-2.6.3.3\wxPython\include. c:\python24\include\wx(it is the product of building wxPython) also the python include here. c:\python24\include libraries: c:\wxPython-src-2.6.3.3\lib\vc_dll(the build product of wxWidgets) c:\wxPython-src-2.6.3.3\wxPython\wxPython c:\python24\libs to supplement the problem, i install wxPython from source code,and i have gotten three files,all of which will be uploaded here. and both them can pass the build process,but get "detected memory leaks and dump objects"in the run process. i figure that it has great memory leaks when loading certain symbols,like wxmsw26ud.lib or such,while other lib are not loaded "no symbol loaded!" but i donot know why, and donot know how to build a wxPython script within c. here is the error message: Detected memory leaks! Dumping objects -> {6417} normal block at 0x01B72B30, 262144 bytes long. Data: < > CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD {6339} normal block at 0x01B0A9C8, 480 bytes long. Data: < @_ > 00 00 01 D0 FB FB FB FB 40 5F AD 01 20 92 AD 01 {6338} normal block at 0x01B0A7D0, 440 bytes long. ..... {48} normal block at 0x003F2C88, 64 bytes long. Data: 68 00 A4 00 08 20 A9 00 68 00 B4 00 B8 11 B8 00 {47} normal block at 0x00A40068, 262144 bytes long. Data: < > CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CD {45} normal block at 0x003F4F10, 12 bytes long. Data: < > FF FF FF FF 00 00 00 00 C0 07 00 00 Object dump complete. The thread 'Win32 Thread' (0x9ec) has exited with code 0 (0x0). The program '[2960] wxPythonGUI.exe: Native' has exited with code 0 (0x0). thanks one billion times if someone can tell me,coz the progress should be advanced further.and all my other people await it. regards, jolley.d.tan --------------------------------- ????????????????-3.5G??????20M?????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20061123/de693336/attachment.htm From mike at staticmultimedia.com Fri Nov 24 16:15:33 2006 From: mike at staticmultimedia.com (Michael Hull) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:15:33 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Zope Programmer Needed Message-ID: <45670C95.9090407@staticmultimedia.com> Hello, By way of introduction, I am the editor of Static Multimedia (www.staticmultimedia.com). My site has a content management system built on Zope and I am in desperate need of a programmer to fix some problems and work in a support type level on a contract project-per-project basis. 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Name: mike.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 220 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20061124/4214e332/attachment.vcf From mark.mchristensen at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 17:15:42 2006 From: mark.mchristensen at gmail.com (Mark Ramm) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:15:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG In-Reply-To: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781343@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781343@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Message-ID: On 11/21/06, DiPierro, Massimo wrote: > If somebody sends me a title I would like to advertise the meeting on the DePaul web page. Sorry, I didn't notice that this might be waiting on me. My talk is titled "Rapid Web Applcations with TurboGears" You can use the subtitle "Using Python and Ajax to create Dynamic Websites" if you want increased buzzword compliance. --Mark Ramm From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Wed Nov 29 18:55:25 2006 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:55:25 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com><13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com><455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com><44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net><841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com><6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781343@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478138C@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Please read the first item: http://www.cti.depaul.edu/news/default.asp Let me know if it needs corrections. Massimo Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ ________________________________ From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Mark Ramm Sent: Wed 11/29/2006 10:15 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] Need TurboGears presenter for Burlington LUG On 11/21/06, DiPierro, Massimo wrote: > If somebody sends me a title I would like to advertise the meeting on the DePaul web page. Sorry, I didn't notice that this might be waiting on me. My talk is titled "Rapid Web Applcations with TurboGears" You can use the subtitle "Using Python and Ajax to create Dynamic Websites" if you want increased buzzword compliance. --Mark Ramm _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From bray at sent.com Wed Nov 29 19:35:16 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:35:16 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Dec Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781343@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Message-ID: On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Mark Ramm wrote: > You can use the subtitle "Using Python and Ajax to create Dynamic > Websites" if you want increased buzzword compliance. Does anybody else have something interesting to present after Mark? Maybe something short, sweet, and along this same thread. -- Brian Ray (http://kazavoo.com) From jquigley at chicagolug.org Wed Nov 29 20:28:15 2006 From: jquigley at chicagolug.org (John Quigley) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:28:15 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Lisp & G/LUG: Meeting Message-ID: <456DDF4F.1010705@chicagolug.org> Folks: The Chicago G/LUG and Lisp communities are having a joint meeting this coming Saturday, December 02, 2006 @ 3p, right in downtown Chicago at the Institute of Design. Meeting info: http://www.chicagolug.org/Meetings Meeting agenda: http://www.chicagolug.org/Agenda_2006-12-02 The two groups will overlap with a presentation on SLIME, the Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs. The purpose of this presentation will be to instruct new Lispers in creating a remarkably powerful and beautiful development environment using entirely free software. This is the first meeting of Chicago Lisp, and we invite everyone interested to come and help us develop ideas as to how to run the group. After the meeting, join us for food and drinks as we geek it up over brews. Questions and comments can be directed to lug at chicagolug.org, or join us on IRC at #chiglug at irc.oftc.net or lisp at irc.oftc.net. Regards, John Quigley From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Nov 30 03:04:28 2006 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:04:28 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Dec Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781343@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <456E3C2C.7040905@colorstudy.com> Brian Ray wrote: > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Mark Ramm wrote: > >> You can use the subtitle "Using Python and Ajax to create Dynamic >> Websites" if you want increased buzzword compliance. > > > Does anybody else have something interesting to present after Mark? > Maybe something short, sweet, and along this same thread. I could present some of my recent work on ZjangoGears. I don't want to overshadow Mark's presentation, but ZjangoGears is ready for the enterprise, while TurboGears, well... -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From bray at sent.com Thu Nov 30 05:34:04 2006 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:34:04 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Dec Meeting In-Reply-To: <456E3C2C.7040905@colorstudy.com> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781343@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <456E3C2C.7040905@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <1164861244.7361.278138103@webmail.messagingengine.com> > > > > Does anybody else have something interesting to present after Mark? > > Maybe something short, sweet, and along this same thread. > > I could present some of my recent work on ZjangoGears. > > I don't want to overshadow Mark's presentation, but ZjangoGears is ready > for the enterprise, while TurboGears, well... haha. Are you serious? Is there really such a thing? Do I really care? Sounds fun, lets do it. Anyway, I was about to suggest a topic like, "There not just Django for make great websites." But thought the topic might offend someone. But, now someone said "ZjangoGears," I think I'm safe. Anyhow, I feel a buzz starting for the next meeting. It might be our best one yet. -- Brian (http://kazavoo.com) From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 06:04:17 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:04:17 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Dec Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781343@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <3096c19d0611292104t1cb99428ja64cb2d5e1680abc@mail.gmail.com> On 11/29/06, Brian Ray wrote: > > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Mark Ramm wrote: > > > You can use the subtitle "Using Python and Ajax to create Dynamic > > Websites" if you want increased buzzword compliance. > > > Does anybody else have something interesting to present after Mark? > Maybe something short, sweet, and along this same thread. Anyone interested in a brief overview of Perl 6? How about Perl 5? Maybe Visual Basic? Burningly, Chris From dangoor at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 13:29:28 2006 From: dangoor at gmail.com (Kevin Dangoor) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:29:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Dec Meeting In-Reply-To: <456E3C2C.7040905@colorstudy.com> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <13EE7EB7-96F5-408A-AFBF-E28BF7A9C1B3@sent.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781343@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <456E3C2C.7040905@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: On Nov 29, 2006, at 9:04 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > Brian Ray wrote: >> >> On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Mark Ramm wrote: >> >>> You can use the subtitle "Using Python and Ajax to create Dynamic >>> Websites" if you want increased buzzword compliance. >> >> >> Does anybody else have something interesting to present after Mark? >> Maybe something short, sweet, and along this same thread. > > I could present some of my recent work on ZjangoGears. > > I don't want to overshadow Mark's presentation, but ZjangoGears is > ready > for the enterprise, while TurboGears, well... If only we hadn't missed our April 1 delivery date with ZjangoGears. There's always April 1, 2007 :) Kevin From shekay at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 16:09:30 2006 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:09:30 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Dec Meeting In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0611292104t1cb99428ja64cb2d5e1680abc@mail.gmail.com> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781343@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <3096c19d0611292104t1cb99428ja64cb2d5e1680abc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/29/06, Chris McAvoy wrote: > On 11/29/06, Brian Ray wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Mark Ramm wrote: > > > > > You can use the subtitle "Using Python and Ajax to create Dynamic > > > Websites" if you want increased buzzword compliance. > > > > > > Does anybody else have something interesting to present after Mark? > > Maybe something short, sweet, and along this same thread. > > Anyone interested in a brief overview of Perl 6? How about Perl 5? > Maybe Visual Basic? > > Burningly, > Chris Turing complete languages? anyone? anyone? snarkily, -- sheila From tcp at uchicago.edu Thu Nov 30 16:36:48 2006 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:36:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Dec Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781343@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <3096c19d0611292104t1cb99428ja64cb2d5e1680abc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0BD48F9F-3101-47FF-AC2E-2A8628FBE9F3@uchicago.edu> On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:09 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > Turing complete languages? anyone? anyone? > > > snarkily, Forget that, I want an actual Turing machine. Anyone got an infinitely long tape handy? Okay, Sheila, how about this for obscurity: How about this: http://xyzzy.bravehost.com/NULL.html -t From ken at stox.org Thu Nov 30 17:23:57 2006 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:23:57 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Dec Meeting In-Reply-To: <0BD48F9F-3101-47FF-AC2E-2A8628FBE9F3@uchicago.edu> References: <455B2080.9060705@dcresearch.com> <455BF6DA.2040701@colorstudy.com> <44894.192.168.3.1.1163686632.squirrel@home.fawad.net> <841BB0C4-7545-4A8B-BA8F-2220CBB7CF0E@sent.com> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781343@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <3096c19d0611292104t1cb99428ja64cb2d5e1680abc@mail.gmail.com> <0BD48F9F-3101-47FF-AC2E-2A8628FBE9F3@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <1164903837.10627.5.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 09:36 -0600, Ted Pollari wrote: > > Forget that, I want an actual Turing machine. > > Anyone got an infinitely long tape handy? If red tape is OK, I'm sure the government has all that you could handle. ;-> From deadwisdom at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 19:22:11 2006 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:22:11 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] This is just too good. Message-ID: <694c06d60611301022g27539cb6w9783c36b7e634cbe@mail.gmail.com> World's Oldest Ritual Discovered -- Worshipped The Python 70,000 Years Ago http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061130081347.htm From ehs at pobox.com Thu Nov 30 19:47:24 2006 From: ehs at pobox.com (Edward Summers) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:47:24 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] This is just too good. In-Reply-To: <694c06d60611301022g27539cb6w9783c36b7e634cbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <694c06d60611301022g27539cb6w9783c36b7e634cbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Nov 30, 2006, at 1:22 PM, Brantley Harris wrote: > World's Oldest Ritual Discovered -- Worshipped The Python 70,000 > Years Ago > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061130081347.htm I wonder how many web frameworks there were then... //Ed From maney at two14.net Thu Nov 30 20:20:13 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:20:13 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] The Python Papers Message-ID: <20061130192013.GB3269@furrr.two14.net> http://pythonpapers.cgpublisher.com/product/pub.169/prod.3 -- Trouble rather the tiger in his lair than the sage among his books. For to you kingdoms and their armies are things mighty and enduring, but to him they are but toys of the moment, to be overturned with the flick of a finger. -- Gordon Dickson From maney at two14.net Thu Nov 30 21:49:07 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:49:07 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] [RHS] Let's talk about our feelings... In-Reply-To: References: <20061129205158.GE40541@comox.textdrive.com> <361b27370611291310n543f38b1se9c988a781b28751@mail.gmail.com> <20061129215410.GB2600@furrr.two14.net> <456E04E6.1020308@mmks.com> <20061130140346.GA3234@furrr.two14.net> <20061130191707.GA3269@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <20061130204907.GC3269@furrr.two14.net> On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 02:23:32PM -0600, Rachel Engel wrote: > I *could* threaten to bring lutefisk. It's not too hard.. you just dip cod > in poison until they melt slightly. Go ahead - I won't be there anyhow. :-/ -- Truth in advertising is like leaven, which a woman hid in three measures of meal. It provides a suitable quantity of gas, with which to blow out a mass of crude misrepresentations into a form that the public can swallow. - Dorothy Sayers, _Murder Must Advertise_