From tcp at uchicago.edu Thu Feb 1 00:20:44 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:20:44 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? In-Reply-To: References: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Michael Tobis wrote: > I don't see why IT momentum should have anything to do with > teaching logical thinking to people who probably aren't going to be > professional programmers. Pretty UIs are not computer literacy any > more than Excel spreadsheets are. > I think you've got a high bar for computer literacy here -- understanding of excel spreadsheets is much more germane to most people's interactions with computers than is programming in python. There was a time that most people who drove cars needed to know quite a bit about how they worked so as to get themselves out of having to sit bit the roadside as breakdowns were more frequent. Now, trouble shooting fuel injection problems or other engine operations is a specialized skill not at all required of the majority of people who use cars even for their livelihood. My point is that "computer literacy" no longer means "programming literacy" or even "command line literacy" just like "programming literacy" no longer necessarily implies "assembly literacy" or even "C literacy". And, moreover, there's nothing wrong with that -- far from it in fact, if you think about it from a design perspective, IMHO. A slight casting of Dean's point would be that teaching a 'CS course' in high school often means "computer literacy" and not "programming literacy" and that the majority of the people in high school 'CS' courses aren't going to be interested in "programming literacy" unless it's done in a flashy way that keeps their attention by yielding visible results quickly. Overall, this is the epitome of high school, if not human nature, IMHO. Sure, I appreciate the year and a half of logic coursework I did in college and I do think it helped me, but I don't expect everyone to want to or need to go down that course for the world to be a happy place. > Skills are transient. Develop intelligence and you can acquire > skills as needed. You can teach skills much more readily than you can teach intelligence. There's a time and a place for both and given the ever increasing ubiquity of computers, basic skills are essential, just as driving is an essential skill for a good majority of Americans. You shouldn't need to understand how to build a car to drive one and you shouldn't need to understand how to program a computer to use one, no matter how valuable and abstractable or extendable the former is. Moreover, if the above were true, university communities would be much different places, but that's a whole different line of discussion... -ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070131/4f30d861/attachment.html From mtobis at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 01:08:41 2007 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:08:41 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? In-Reply-To: References: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/31/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Michael Tobis wrote: > > I don't see why IT momentum should have anything to do with teaching > logical thinking to people who probably aren't going to be professional > programmers. Pretty UIs are not computer literacy any more than Excel > spreadsheets are. > > > I think you've got a high bar for computer literacy here -- understanding > of excel spreadsheets is much more germane to most people's interactions > with computers than is programming in python. > We don't teach algebra because we expect kids to be group theorists either, nor grammar so that they will write great novels. Computer science is not about computers! It is as if the printing press were newly invented and people were arguing about which level of education we should teach "pencil theory" and which kind of superfancy pencil we should be using. There was a time that most people who drove cars needed to know quite a bit > about how they worked so as to get themselves out of having to sit bit the > roadside as breakdowns were more frequent. Now, trouble shooting fuel > injection problems or other engine operations is a specialized skill not at > all required of the majority of people who use cars even for their > livelihood. > > My point is that "computer literacy" no longer means "programming > literacy" or even "command line literacy" just like "programming literacy" > no longer necessarily implies "assembly literacy" or even "C literacy". > And, moreover, there's nothing wrong with that -- far from it in fact, if > you think about it from a design perspective, IMHO. > I think the expression was chosen deliberately by analogy to "literacy". You do not need to know any grammar to watch television, either. The whole question about whether the purpose of education is job training comes up here. I personally think everyone who is capable of it ought to get to go to college without incurring a huge debt. I absolutely don't buy that they will as a consequence get "better jobs". There may not be that many college level jobs to go around. But they will be better citizens, better able to design and manage their world. The question is whether Python belongs in the schools. If you think the purpose of schools is vocational, then no. I was presuming that the purpose of schools was actually, um, educational. > A slight casting of Dean's point would be that teaching a 'CS course' in > high school often means "computer literacy" and not "programming literacy" > and that the majority of the people in high school 'CS' courses aren't going > to be interested in "programming literacy" unless it's done in a flashy way > that keeps their attention by yielding visible results quickly. > I see no reason that Python can't fulfill that. I think the schools should strive for pedagogical content that actually develops people's ability to think. Overall, this is the epitome of high school, if not human nature, IMHO. > I went to high school in a different country. Sure, I appreciate the year and a half of logic coursework I did in college > and I do think it helped me, but I don't expect everyone to want to or need > to go down that course for the world to be a happy place. > I'm just a foreigner, but it seems to me that this violates the "eternal vigilance" clause of the canon. How can a citizenry that doesn't think clearly manage a democracy? Skills are transient. Develop intelligence and you can acquire skills as > needed. > > > You can teach skills much more readily than you can teach intelligence. > There's a time and a place for both and given the ever increasing ubiquity > of computers, basic skills are essential, just as driving is an essential > skill for a good majority of Americans. You shouldn't need to understand > how to build a car to drive one and you shouldn't need to understand how to > program a computer to use one, no matter how valuable and abstractable or > extendable the former is. > Now this is a silly, though it seems quite pervasive. I taught two hours of Python to a computer club in an inner city school once to about a dozen kids. Every one of the kids knew their way around a file system better than most adults do. There was no digital divide as far as I could tell. They already know how to "drive" the mouse. They just don't know where to go. Moreover, if the above were true, university communities would be much > different places, but that's a whole different line of discussion... > OK, maybe I (and the rest of the edu-sig) should give up. But Guido is interested, and so is Alan Kay, and so is Mark Shuttleworth. Maybe the US public schools can't be fixed. Maybe the private schools will take this up. Maybe the Canadians, maybe the Dutch. In the long run though I can't imagine how you can have a thriving democracy in a country where the majority of people isn't expected to know how to think. I presumed the idea that that school was largely about teaching children how to think. I thought this was conventional wisdom in a democracy. Maybe I'm just too Canadian or something. I am quite discouraged that the goal itself is in question, but I don't want to get into a controversy about it on this list. The proposition that interests me is whether Python was the right tool for the job. Presuming that some school system somewhere *wanted* cognitive ability in high school graduates, would a modest amount of programming would help? If so, is Python the right language for that purpose? mt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070131/cbbb8723/attachment.htm From cstejerean at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 01:10:02 2007 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:10:02 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? In-Reply-To: References: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <276266d0701311610s60cab318u29b07f27ec055ef0@mail.gmail.com> While I agree with Michael on the value of Python for teaching thinking skills and programming concepts, the problem will be convincing enough kids to sign up for the class. At the high school level most of the kids not interested in programming won't care about programming skills if they can't do something fun (build a board game, etc) and the few people that are interested in programming most likely already know enough to be bored to death by a class that covers thinking skills and for loops. Java has the advantage of being the language used by the College Board exams for AP Placement so if you suffer through it and do decent on the AP exam you won't have to re-take intro to programming in college. Teaching folks programming concepts in the context of building web applications could go a long way towards increasing the interest in CS. With new frameworks such as Django or Turbo Gears teaching web application development as an introductory programming class could work. Most high schools in my area have been offering Web Design (HTML) courses for years. A course could go briefly into database design, Python syntax and setting up a web application (like a shopping cart) and then go into the rest of the concepts along the way. One application that I find to be a student favorite is a catalog application that lets them keep track of their books, CDs, comics, etc. I can also imagine that building a blog could be cool as well. The key to teaching folks thinking skills is to capture their imagination and make them want to learn more. On 1/31/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Michael Tobis wrote: > I don't see why IT momentum should have anything to do with teaching logical > thinking to people who probably aren't going to be professional programmers. > Pretty UIs are not computer literacy any more than Excel spreadsheets are. > > > I think you've got a high bar for computer literacy here -- understanding of > excel spreadsheets is much more germane to most people's interactions with > computers than is programming in python. > > There was a time that most people who drove cars needed to know quite a bit > about how they worked so as to get themselves out of having to sit bit the > roadside as breakdowns were more frequent. Now, trouble shooting fuel > injection problems or other engine operations is a specialized skill not at > all required of the majority of people who use cars even for their > livelihood. > > My point is that "computer literacy" no longer means "programming literacy" > or even "command line literacy" just like "programming literacy" no longer > necessarily implies "assembly literacy" or even "C literacy". And, > moreover, there's nothing wrong with that -- far from it in fact, if you > think about it from a design perspective, IMHO. > > A slight casting of Dean's point would be that teaching a 'CS course' in > high school often means "computer literacy" and not "programming literacy" > and that the majority of the people in high school 'CS' courses aren't going > to be interested in "programming literacy" unless it's done in a flashy way > that keeps their attention by yielding visible results quickly. Overall, > this is the epitome of high school, if not human nature, IMHO. Sure, I > appreciate the year and a half of logic coursework I did in college and I do > think it helped me, but I don't expect everyone to want to or need to go > down that course for the world to be a happy place. > > > > Skills are transient. Develop intelligence and you can acquire skills as > needed. > > > You can teach skills much more readily than you can teach intelligence. > There's a time and a place for both and given the ever increasing ubiquity > of computers, basic skills are essential, just as driving is an essential > skill for a good majority of Americans. You shouldn't need to understand > how to build a car to drive one and you shouldn't need to understand how to > program a computer to use one, no matter how valuable and abstractable or > extendable the former is. > > Moreover, if the above were true, university communities would be much > different places, but that's a whole different line of discussion... > > > -ted > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > From cstejerean at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 01:19:06 2007 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:19:06 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? In-Reply-To: References: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <276266d0701311619i72a73f6dx5449c5ef753bbc05@mail.gmail.com> The idea is great, the problem is timing. By high schools most kids don't care enough to learn thinking skills. If you were to teach basic cognitive skills using Python it should probably be done in 3rd to 4th grade. I went to a US high school and I can assure you by the difference between the CS course teaching VB and the CS course teaching Java that most people don't care to learn programming or thinking skills unless it either gives them college credit (the Java class) or they see it as a fun and easy way to boost their GPA (the VB class). 1st through 8th grade I went to school in Romania and we started a basic CS course somewhere between 3rd and 5th grade (it was a while ago) teaching programming in Basic. I feel this is a better age to teach cognitive skills and logic then high school. I'd really like to see a high school program that can accomplish what you describe, it would definitely benefit everybody. I just feel that it will be an uphill battle and accomplish little if it isn't made a little easier to swallow for the kids. - Cosmin On 1/31/07, Michael Tobis wrote: > > > On 1/31/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Michael Tobis wrote: > > > > I don't see why IT momentum should have anything to do with teaching > logical thinking to people who probably aren't going to be professional > programmers. Pretty UIs are not computer literacy any more than Excel > spreadsheets are. > > > > > > > > > > I think you've got a high bar for computer literacy here -- understanding > of excel spreadsheets is much more germane to most people's interactions > with computers than is programming in python. > > We don't teach algebra because we expect kids to be group theorists either, > nor grammar so that they will write great novels. Computer science is not > about computers! > > It is as if the printing press were newly invented and people were arguing > about which level of education we should teach "pencil theory" and which > kind of superfancy pencil we should be using. > > > > > > > There was a time that most people who drove cars needed to know quite a > bit about how they worked so as to get themselves out of having to sit bit > the roadside as breakdowns were more frequent. Now, trouble shooting fuel > injection problems or other engine operations is a specialized skill not at > all required of the majority of people who use cars even for their > livelihood. > > > > > > My point is that "computer literacy" no longer means "programming > literacy" or even "command line literacy" just like "programming literacy" > no longer necessarily implies "assembly literacy" or even "C literacy". > And, moreover, there's nothing wrong with that -- far from it in fact, if > you think about it from a design perspective, IMHO. > > I think the expression was chosen deliberately by analogy to "literacy". You > do not need to know any grammar to watch television, either. > > The whole question about whether the purpose of education is job training > comes up here. I personally think everyone who is capable of it ought to get > to go to college without incurring a huge debt. I absolutely don't buy that > they will as a consequence get "better jobs". There may not be that many > college level jobs to go around. But they will be better citizens, better > able to design and manage their world. > > The question is whether Python belongs in the schools. If you think the > purpose of schools is vocational, then no. I was presuming that the purpose > of schools was actually, um, educational. > > > > > > > A slight casting of Dean's point would be that teaching a 'CS course' in > high school often means "computer literacy" and not "programming literacy" > and that the majority of the people in high school 'CS' courses aren't going > to be interested in "programming literacy" unless it's done in a flashy way > that keeps their attention by yielding visible results quickly. > > I see no reason that Python can't fulfill that. I think the schools should > strive for pedagogical content that actually develops people's ability to > think. > > > > > > > Overall, this is the epitome of high school, if not human nature, IMHO. > > I went to high school in a different country. > > > > > > Sure, I appreciate the year and a half of logic coursework I did in > college and I do think it helped me, but I don't expect everyone to want to > or need to go down that course for the world to be a happy place. > > I'm just a foreigner, but it seems to me that this violates the "eternal > vigilance" clause of the canon. How can a citizenry that doesn't think > clearly manage a democracy? > > > > > > > > > Skills are transient. Develop intelligence and you can acquire skills as > needed. > > > > > > You can teach skills much more readily than you can teach intelligence. > There's a time and a place for both and given the ever increasing ubiquity > of computers, basic skills are essential, just as driving is an essential > skill for a good majority of Americans. You shouldn't need to understand > how to build a car to drive one and you shouldn't need to understand how to > program a computer to use one, no matter how valuable and abstractable or > extendable the former is. > > Now this is a silly, though it seems quite pervasive. > > I taught two hours of Python to a computer club in an inner city school once > to about a dozen kids. Every one of the kids knew their way around a file > system better than most adults do. There was no digital divide as far as I > could tell. They already know how to "drive" the mouse. They just don't know > where to go. > > > > > > > Moreover, if the above were true, university communities would be much > different places, but that's a whole different line of discussion... > > OK, maybe I (and the rest of the edu-sig) should give up. But Guido is > interested, and so is Alan Kay, and so is Mark Shuttleworth. > > Maybe the US public schools can't be fixed. Maybe the private schools will > take this up. Maybe the Canadians, maybe the Dutch. > > In the long run though I can't imagine how you can have a thriving democracy > in a country where the majority of people isn't expected to know how to > think. I presumed the idea that that school was largely about teaching > children how to think. I thought this was conventional wisdom in a > democracy. Maybe I'm just too Canadian or something. I am quite discouraged > that the goal itself is in question, but I don't want to get into a > controversy about it on this list. > > The proposition that interests me is whether Python was the right tool for > the job. > > Presuming that some school system somewhere *wanted* cognitive ability in > high school graduates, would a modest amount of programming would help? If > so, is Python the right language for that purpose? > > mt > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > From mtobis at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 03:20:27 2007 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:20:27 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? In-Reply-To: <276266d0701311610s60cab318u29b07f27ec055ef0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com> <276266d0701311610s60cab318u29b07f27ec055ef0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/31/07, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > > While I agree with Michael on the value of Python for teaching > thinking skills and programming concepts, the problem will be > convincing enough kids to sign up for the class. At the high school > level most of the kids not interested in programming won't care about > programming skills if they can't do something fun (build a board game, > etc) and the few people that are interested in programming most likely > already know enough to be bored to death by a class that covers > thinking skills and for loops. This is absolutely true. One thing you can do is set it up as a game. see http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ for a good example. We would want to make the path a bit smoother, but the idea is good. Lesson N+1 should be invisible until Lesson N is complete. I call this Super Mario Nature. I have believed for a long time that rigorous curriculum should be perceived as more interesting than a Nintendo game, becuase, after all, it actually is. We should emulate how the real world works and set up a social rather than a solitary practice of computing. This may make life more difficult at first for the introverted genius type kids,but it's a good model of how the real world works. We should definitely seek applications that are of interest to teenagers. I think Mark Guzdial's (of Ga. Tech) approach of teaching programming as a tool for art and music is especially promising. Unfortunately his curriculum relied on Jython, which seems to be fading from the scene, so he has moved his curriculum to Java. I think more students will find Java boring and baffling than will find an equivalent Python curriculum boring and baffling. So Guzdial's retreat to Java is an unfortunate turn. Still, what he is doing is very promising. (Look for his books on amazon.) The key to teaching folks thinking skills is to capture their imagination and make them want to learn more. Yes! mt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070131/dca0f431/attachment.html From maney at two14.net Thu Feb 1 07:18:04 2007 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 00:18:04 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? In-Reply-To: References: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070201061804.GC6802@furrr.two14.net> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 06:08:41PM -0600, Michael Tobis wrote: > I think the expression was chosen deliberately by analogy to "literacy". And that's the problem, because, as this discussion has more than touched on, what people need to know about computers lacks the sort of broad skills of literacy. This is true of just about any qualified literacy: they're all attempts to make something sound important (or even concretely real) when it's not. > You do not need to know any grammar to watch television, either. You don't need to know, say, how to diagram a sentence structure, no. But being able to deserialize sentences into the internal forms by which we understand the meaning is an application of grammatical skills, too. > The whole question about whether the purpose of education is job training > comes up here. Job training? Heck, some days it seems the main purpose is just to keep them off the streets for a good part of the day... > I'm just a foreigner, but it seems to me that this violates the "eternal > vigilance" clause of the canon. How can a citizenry that doesn't think > clearly manage a democracy? About as badly as you'd expect, judging by the evidence in front of our faces. :-( I was born in Chicago, but some days I feel like I must be more foreign to this culture than a person from Mars... > I taught two hours of Python to a computer club in an inner city school once > to about a dozen kids. Every one of the kids knew their way around a file > system better than most adults do. There was no digital divide as far as I > could tell. They already know how to "drive" the mouse. They just don't know > where to go. Insofar as there is something real behind "computer literacy", that was what they had. > In the long run though I can't imagine how you can have a thriving democracy > in a country where the majority of people isn't expected to know how to > think. I presumed the idea that that school was largely about teaching > children how to think. I thought this was conventional wisdom in a > democracy. Maybe I'm just too Canadian or something. I am quite discouraged > that the goal itself is in question, but I don't want to get into a > controversy about it on this list. Depressing but explains a lot: http://www.sourcetext.com/grammarian/ BTW, wasn't the phrase "conventional wisdom" coined by a Candian? :-) > Presuming that some school system somewhere *wanted* cognitive ability in > high school graduates, would a modest amount of programming would help? If > so, is Python the right language for that purpose? MIT seems to think it possible. :-) -- the warfare on the cutting edge of any science draws attention away from the huge uncontested background, the dull metal heft of the axe that gives the cutting edge its power. -- Dennett From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 16:38:50 2007 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 07:38:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <653436.52957.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been following the Python education thread with some interest. I'm not certain about this, but Illinois Math and Science Academy (IMSA) in Aurora might have a course that uses Python. I can't find anything on their webpage, but I know that the staff there are big on Python since they seem to use Zope for their entire website (and have for quite some time). When I attended IMSA in the late nineties, they had programming courses that taught other languages besides the Advanced Placement language (Pascal, at the time). Back then, they offered both C++ and even Assembly! It's not hard to imagine that they would offer something in Python now. I've heard about Mark Guzdial before. I think he actually started in Smalltalk (using Squeak) before going over to Jython. I can understand why he doesn't use Jython anymore, but I don't understand why he didn't just switch to Groovy instead of Java. I mean Groovy is actually kinda similar to Smalltalk, and it's still a dynamic language. Anyway, it's still a better idea than trying to teach intro programming using JavaScript like I did. - Feihong ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From goodmansond at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 17:51:46 2007 From: goodmansond at gmail.com (DeanG) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:51:46 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? In-Reply-To: <653436.52957.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <653436.52957.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you for the enlightening discussion. I can't imagine Python not being a right language for learning computer science. It's high level, meets the user at their level (CLI, functions, OOP, functional, Web, Games, GUI, Scientific analysis...), and is cost effective. I fell in love with programming/computers with a command-line-interface programming on early 80's computers. Python's CLI was a renewed joy and welcome throwback. Is it *the* compelling feature of Python? No, but it can be a vital one for elementary kids. The elegant Python language made sense of modern programming concepts and idioms buried in the constructs of other languages. As for other topics, I would prefer to have math and functional language concepts reinforced with Python rather than graphing calculators and Excel. I mentioned the 'momentum' factors primarily due to the *vocational* aspects of high school and tech-school decision making considerations of which languages to choose. Frustratingly, there's a viscous circle between those hiring from voc. ed and the voc. ed curriculum, and I imagine it bleeds down into secondary schools. How can Python be compelling *and* taken seriously here? Du-jour novelty and Google "uses it" helps, along with Web frameworks, but at some point Python has cornered more Computer Science mindshare, or worse "scripting" (and that horse is dying). But what about the database management shops which always seems to lean back to VeryBland languages? Python's image lacks in the RAD DB front-end, and may also be hurt by a perception of an obscure Open Source support channel (RTFS, JFGI elitis or high-cost consultants). Looks like I digressed into frequently recurring themes the Advocacy and Edu-SIG group face. Pascal was a learning language gone mainstream and now bygone (at least in mindshare). Coincidentally, Pascal went the way of competing with VB via Delphi (which is as much as I know of the languages or history of either). I wonder if there will be reflections of that in the PyCon discussion. I'm disappointed to miss it. Think there will be transcripts? - Dean From shekay at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 18:05:55 2007 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:05:55 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] pycon rooms Message-ID: The hotel is sold out, and I don't have a room. Does anyone have extra space in their room? I need space, and I have two other friends who probably also need space, but I will find out today after they finish trying to convince the hotel that it actually has room. -- sheila From chad at glendenin.com Thu Feb 1 19:25:39 2007 From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:25:39 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? In-Reply-To: References: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com> <276266d0701311610s60cab318u29b07f27ec055ef0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1170354339.3585.1172419597@webmail.messagingengine.com> I've been thinking that computer games could be a good way to teach things at the high-school level, but not in the sense of turning programming itself into a game. I was thinking that actually creating games might be a good exercise. When I was in high school, a couple of my friends started programming because they wanted to create some kind of video or adventure game. I think it might be a way to motivate students to learn more math as well as CS. For example, 3D computer graphics is all about linear algebra (which I think could/should be taught at the high-school level anyway), and the pieces they would need, like normal vectors and transformation matrices, are actually pretty straightforward. If they're trying to simulate some kind of physical behavior in the game, then they would need to know at least basic kinematics. (The player just fired a rocket. Will he hit the target?) A lot of that can be done with simple algebra, but it could give them a taste of using calculus. There's plenty of good CS involved in gaming too. In Dave Beazley's networks course, I worked with Atul Varma on a networked computer game for the final project. I think Atul ended up doing most of the real work, because he's a better and faster coder than I am, but it was a good way for me to learn about distributed objects and get hands-on experience. And it was fun. :-) We wrote it in Python, of course, which meant we could focus on ideas rather than getting bogged down in implementation details. I wish I could have done something like that in high school. ccg On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:20:27 -0600, "Michael Tobis" said: > On 1/31/07, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > > > > While I agree with Michael on the value of Python for teaching > > thinking skills and programming concepts, the problem will be > > convincing enough kids to sign up for the class. At the high school > > level most of the kids not interested in programming won't care > > about programming skills if they can't do something fun (build a > > board game, etc) and the few people that are interested in > > programming most likely already know enough to be bored to death by > > a class that covers thinking skills and for loops. > > > This is absolutely true. One thing you can do is set it up as a game. > > see http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ for a good example. We would want > to make the path a bit smoother, but the idea is good. Lesson N+1 > should be invisible until Lesson N is complete. I call this Super > Mario Nature. I have believed for a long time that rigorous curriculum > should be perceived as more interesting than a Nintendo game, becuase, > after all, it actually is. > > We should emulate how the real world works and set up a social rather > than a solitary practice of computing. This may make life more > difficult at first for the introverted genius type kids,but it's a > good model of how the real world works. > > We should definitely seek applications that are of interest to > teenagers. I think Mark Guzdial's (of Ga. Tech) approach of teaching > programming as a tool for art and music is especially promising. > Unfortunately his curriculum relied on Jython, which seems to be > fading from the scene, so he has moved his curriculum to Java. > > I think more students will find Java boring and baffling than will > find an equivalent Python curriculum boring and baffling. So Guzdial's > retreat to Java is an unfortunate turn. Still, what he is doing is > very promising. (Look for his books on amazon.) > > The key to teaching folks thinking skills is to capture their > imagination and make them want to learn more. > > Yes! > > mt From aharrin at luc.edu Thu Feb 1 20:27:24 2007 From: aharrin at luc.edu (Andrew Harrington) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:27:24 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 17, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C23F1C.5010205@luc.edu> On Python in education. For having fun and learning some logical thinking and understanding of computers, you do not need a fancy GUI to start. My mostly humanities students in my introductory CS class get pretty well sucked into my Hands-on Python Tutorials, http://cs.luc.edu/anh/python/hands-on Python is an excellent medium. They write silly mad-lib programs. They make pictures and animations with a very simple graphics package that has the event handling well hidden. As for doing things that look neat, we use Python to write CGI scripts. I have a basic approach writing the output pages in a GUI editor like NVu and just putting in %s where they want to substitute calculated data, and use the whole web page file as a format string. We can start short of Django! For the ones who get hooked, it is nice to be able to point to Django. The idea of a loop is power for automating boring repetitive tasks! Andy Harrington chicago-request at python.org wrote: > Send Chicago mailing list submissions to > chicago at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > chicago-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > chicago-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Chicago digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Python in local school systems? (Michael Tobis) > 2. Re: Python in local school systems? (DiPierro, Massimo) > 3. Re: Python in local school systems? (Cosmin Stejerean) > 4. Re: Django frontend Interface (Adrian Holovaty) > 5. Re: Python in local school systems? (DeanG) > 6. Re: Python in local school systems? (Michael Tobis) > 7. Re: Python in local school systems? (Michael Tobis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:28:22 -0600 > From: "Michael Tobis" > Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Jeff Elkner passed on a request from a Naperville teacher to put her in > contact with anyone teaching Python as a formal course at the high school > level. > > If anyone knows of anything like this currently happening in the Chicago > Metro area or nearby, please let me know and I'll pass it along. > > mt > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070131/0ca89dd7/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:55:10 -0600 > From: "DiPierro, Massimo" > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" , "The > Chicago Python Users Group" > Message-ID: > <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A at haydn.cti.depaul.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I teach python at university level (ipd362 ad DePaul Institute for Professional Development). > I would be happy to talk to him. > > Massimo > > Massimo Di Pierro > CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 > Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 > Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu > Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ > > ________________________________ > > From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Michael Tobis > Sent: Wed 1/31/2007 9:28 AM > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? > > > Jeff Elkner passed on a request from a Naperville teacher to put her in contact with anyone teaching Python as a formal course at the high school level. > > If anyone knows of anything like this currently happening in the Chicago Metro area or nearby, please let me know and I'll pass it along. > > mt > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:54:10 -0600 > From: "Cosmin Stejerean" > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Message-ID: > <276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I'd be surprised if any do. Most high schools that teach Computer > Science tend to have an AP Computer Science course, which has to be in > Java, and potentially a regular CS course which is meant to attract a > larger crowd and as such was traditionally restricted to VB (I would > get C# or VB.NET would also be good candidates) so that folks can > easily throw together pretty GUIs and write Tic-Tac-Toe. > > I think one of the challenges of teaching CS courses in high school to > folks that don't want to pursue CS as a major is making the course > interesting. With a RAD tool like VB is easy for everyone to throw > together a nice app that can do something they like. With something > like Python that might be harder to do (Tkinter or WxPython > anyone???). > > Although I don't teach Python, I have a couple of > suggestions/suggestions for Python course at a high school level that > I'd like to share. > > Regards, > > Cosmin Stejerean > > On 1/31/07, DiPierro, Massimo wrote: > >> I teach python at university level (ipd362 ad DePaul Institute for Professional Development). >> I would be happy to talk to him. >> >> Massimo >> >> Massimo Di Pierro >> CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 >> Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 >> Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu >> Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Michael Tobis >> Sent: Wed 1/31/2007 9:28 AM >> To: The Chicago Python Users Group >> Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? >> >> >> Jeff Elkner passed on a request from a Naperville teacher to put her in contact with anyone teaching Python as a formal course at the high school level. >> >> If anyone knows of anything like this currently happening in the Chicago Metro area or nearby, please let me know and I'll pass it along. >> >> mt >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:02:06 -0600 > From: Adrian Holovaty > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Django frontend Interface > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Message-ID: <200701311502.06715.chipy at holovaty.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Fawad Halim wrote: > >> Several moons ago, Adrian demonstrated a django app he had written that >> generated a nicely hyperlinked view of the data by reflecting on the >> model specification. Does anyone know what happened to that and whether >> it was released anywhere? >> > > That app is called Databrowse, and it's not available to the public yet. I've > gotten sidetracked with about a half a billion other things... :) > > I have no ETA in mind, and I can't share the current code just yet. Hopefully > it'll get rolled into Django proper some time in the near future. > > Adrian > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:09:30 -0600 > From: DeanG > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > I think one of the challenges of teaching CS courses in high school to > folks that don't want to pursue CS as a major is making the course > interesting. With a RAD tool like VB is easy for everyone to throw > together a nice app that can do something they like. With something > like Python that might be harder to do (Tkinter or WxPython > anyone???). > > Agile is straightforward in Python. Desktop RAD is straightfoward in *BASIC. > And with the massive IT momentum of VB shops it's cinched. > > Poland chose REALbasic http://realsoftware.com/news/pr/2006/poland/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:11:07 -0600 > From: "Michael Tobis" > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well, I (and at least one other person on this list) will be attending the > education sig at PyCon, and would be happy to hear from you about this. > > It is definitely replacing the VB stuff that we are after. It is a > pedagogical disaster to teach kids that, and any C/Java variant is hardly > better. Dijkstra is rolling in his grave. > > We can cross the Java bridge at a later date. > > mt > > On 1/31/07, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > >> I'd be surprised if any do. Most high schools that teach Computer >> Science tend to have an AP Computer Science course, which has to be in >> Java, and potentially a regular CS course which is meant to attract a >> larger crowd and as such was traditionally restricted to VB (I would >> get C# or VB.NET would also be good candidates) so that folks can >> easily throw together pretty GUIs and write Tic-Tac-Toe. >> >> I think one of the challenges of teaching CS courses in high school to >> folks that don't want to pursue CS as a major is making the course >> interesting. With a RAD tool like VB is easy for everyone to throw >> together a nice app that can do something they like. With something >> like Python that might be harder to do (Tkinter or WxPython >> anyone???). >> >> Although I don't teach Python, I have a couple of >> suggestions/suggestions for Python course at a high school level that >> I'd like to share. >> >> Regards, >> >> Cosmin Stejerean >> >> On 1/31/07, DiPierro, Massimo wrote: >> >>> I teach python at university level (ipd362 ad DePaul Institute for >>> >> Professional Development). >> >>> I would be happy to talk to him. >>> >>> Massimo >>> >>> Massimo Di Pierro >>> CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 >>> Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 >>> Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu >>> Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Michael Tobis >>> Sent: Wed 1/31/2007 9:28 AM >>> To: The Chicago Python Users Group >>> Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? >>> >>> >>> Jeff Elkner passed on a request from a Naperville teacher to put her in >>> >> contact with anyone teaching Python as a formal course at the high school >> level. >> >>> If anyone knows of anything like this currently happening in the Chicago >>> >> Metro area or nearby, please let me know and I'll pass it along. >> >>> mt >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070131/2c8ae20a/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:15:56 -0600 > From: "Michael Tobis" > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Python in local school systems? > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I don't see why IT momentum should have anything to do with teaching logical > thinking to people who probably aren't going to be professional programmers. > Pretty UIs are not computer literacy any more than Excel spreadsheets are. > > Skills are transient. Develop intelligence and you can acquire skills as > needed. High school should be about education, at least as much as about > skills. > > Teaching "Java" or "BASIC" or "Python" to great masses of high school > students is silly. Most jobs require no coding. Marketable skills should be > taught in college, not in high school. > > Using programming to teach ideas is not at all silly. It is the original > idea of computer literacy. Maybe the schools never really understood this > very well, but that is no reason to let the matter drop. > > You need a language to teach the sorts of ideas that constitute > programming. Logical thinking is the goal. Python is a better platform for > teaching the student how to think than BASIC or Java, for somewhat different > reasons. In both cases comes down to the fact that ultimately there is a lot > less distraction. In Python you start thinking about the ideas immediately. > You aren't constantly distracted by the language. > > mt > > On 1/31/07, DeanG wrote: > >> I think one of the challenges of teaching CS courses in high school to >> folks that don't want to pursue CS as a major is making the course >> interesting. With a RAD tool like VB is easy for everyone to throw >> together a nice app that can do something they like. With something >> like Python that might be harder to do (Tkinter or WxPython >> anyone???). >> >> Agile is straightforward in Python. Desktop RAD is straightfoward in >> *BASIC. >> And with the massive IT momentum of VB shops it's cinched. >> >> Poland chose REALbasic http://realsoftware.com/news/pr/2006/poland/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070131/fc4d70bb/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > End of Chicago Digest, Vol 17, Issue 18 > *************************************** > -- Andrew N. Harrington Computer Science Department Director of Academic Programs Loyola University Chicago http://www.cs.luc.edu/~anh 512B Lewis Towers (office) Office Phone: 312-915-7982 Snail mail to Lewis Towers 416 Dept. Fax: 312-915-7998 820 North Michigan Avenue aharrin at luc.edu Chicago, Illinois 60611 From mark.mchristensen at gmail.com Fri Feb 2 22:07:21 2007 From: mark.mchristensen at gmail.com (Mark Ramm) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:07:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] pycon rooms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got a hotel across the street, so that might also be an option. --Mark On 2/1/07, sheila miguez wrote: > > The hotel is sold out, and I don't have a room. Does anyone have extra > space in their room? I need space, and I have two other friends who > probably also need space, but I will find out today after they finish > trying to convince the hotel that it actually has room. > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Mark Ramm-Christensen email: mark at compoundthinking dot com blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070202/86f06e50/attachment.htm From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 20:35:26 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:35:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Meeting Thursday February 7th 7pm Message-ID: <3096c19d0702071135q67c82c04ob02f486953b5dfc2@mail.gmail.com> Chicago Python User Group ========================= Come join us for our best meeting ever! Topic ------ * The Humanized (http://humanized.com) folks present their latest product "Enso", a Python based application recently profiled in the Wall Street Journal. Location -------- DePaul CTI 243 S Wabash Ave. Chicago, IL The computer lab on the 4th floor 7pm About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: Pass it on. From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Thu Feb 8 06:35:26 2007 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:35:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Meeting Thursday February 7th 7pm References: <3096c19d0702071135q67c82c04ob02f486953b5dfc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478179F@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> I posted the news about tomorrow's meeting on the DePaul web site. Sorry for the delay but I am been busy finishing two python based web applications: http://ww w.metacryption.com uses Turbogears http://un.cti.depaul.edu uses Django (from the point of view of the missions it is like a wiki but a bit more sophisticated. It already stores about 5000 documents posted by United Nations - try selecting Mauritania). They are both in beta and will very much appreciate comments on how to improve them. Massimo Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ ________________________________ From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Chris McAvoy Sent: Wed 2/7/2007 1:35 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group; Chicago.pm chatter; Chirb discussion list; Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion; The Rudolph Hering Society Discussion List Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Meeting Thursday February 7th 7pm Chicago Python User Group ========================= Come join us for our best meeting ever! Topic ------ * The Humanized (http://humanized.com ) folks present their latest product "Enso", a Python based application recently profiled in the Wall Street Journal. Location -------- DePaul CTI 243 S Wabash Ave. Chicago, IL The computer lab on the 4th floor 7pm About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: > ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: > Pass it on. _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From shekay at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 20:44:09 2007 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:44:09 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Meeting Thursday February 7th 7pm In-Reply-To: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478179F@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> References: <3096c19d0702071135q67c82c04ob02f486953b5dfc2@mail.gmail.com> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478179F@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Message-ID: I don't think I can make it to today's meeting. I wish I could. I'll probably end up working pretty late. If not, I'll be there. -- sheila From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 20:28:39 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:28:39 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thanks Humanized Message-ID: <3096c19d0702091128ife37b4bse53f1b81cc2e19fe@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for presenting last night guys, very interesting stuff. Enso looks pretty great, but I really enjoyed the overall give and take of your presentation. Thanks a bunch. Chris From varmaa at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 17:00:52 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:00:52 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Thanks Humanized In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702091128ife37b4bse53f1b81cc2e19fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0702091128ife37b4bse53f1b81cc2e19fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370702120800t4f3940adsf516cf64441c8b87@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Chris! It was a pleasure presenting to everyone, and we really enjoyed the dialogue as well. We'll be sure to post to ChiPy as soon as we release some of our tools and libraries to the Python community, too. - Atul On 2/9/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Thanks for presenting last night guys, very interesting stuff. Enso > looks pretty great, but I really enjoyed the overall give and take of > your presentation. Thanks a bunch. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From cbc at unc.edu Mon Feb 12 19:30:29 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:30:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Zope 3 Boot Camp early bird registration deadline near Message-ID: <45D0B245.6040802@unc.edu> The early bird registration deadline for Camp 5 and the BBQ Sprint is Wednesday, February 14: http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/camp5/ You can save $50 by registering early. Registration ends Friday March 2. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From danielpatinkin at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 20:11:47 2007 From: danielpatinkin at gmail.com (Daniel Patinkin) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:11:47 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] python beginner Message-ID: I have absolutely no experience in python language but i need to develop a working knowledge of it asap. I would be willing to attend a seminar, or hire an instructor or do whatever is necessary. Please email me if you have ideas. sincerely dan patinkin danielpatinkin at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please email me if you have > ideas. > > sincerely > dan patinkin > danielpatinkin at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070213/709b419d/attachment.htm From mtobis at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 20:41:45 2007 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:41:45 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] python beginner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: www.*diveintopython*.org/ mt On 2/13/07, Daniel Patinkin wrote: > > I have absolutely no experience in python language but i need to develop a > working knowledge of it asap. I would be willing to attend a seminar, or > hire an instructor or do whatever is necessary. Please email me if you have > ideas. > > sincerely > dan patinkin > danielpatinkin at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070213/df89a8bb/attachment.htm From carl at personnelware.com Tue Feb 13 20:46:19 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:46:19 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] python beginner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> http://chipy.org/BootCampy I have been trying to make that happen for a few months. Your interest may be what it takes to make it happen soon. Carl K Daniel Patinkin wrote: > I have absolutely no experience in python language but i need to develop a > working knowledge of it asap. I would be willing to attend a seminar, or > hire an instructor or do whatever is necessary. Please email me if you > have > ideas. > > sincerely > dan patinkin > danielpatinkin at gmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mtobis at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 21:32:32 2007 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:32:32 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] python beginner In-Reply-To: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> Message-ID: Carl, Andy, I put on a Python tutoring group last year for a few sessions on a volunteer basis (as Andy is well aware). I was unable to find the time to restart it, though it was a very interesting experience. The mailing list is still live, though. When you have an announcement be sure and let me know, and I'll pass it along to that list. Meanwhile I will let them know (they aren't all on the ChiPy list) that you are considering doing this. mt On 2/13/07, Carl Karsten wrote: > > http://chipy.org/BootCampy > > I have been trying to make that happen for a few months. Your interest > may be > what it takes to make it happen soon. > > Carl K > > Daniel Patinkin wrote: > > I have absolutely no experience in python language but i need to develop > a > > working knowledge of it asap. I would be willing to attend a seminar, > or > > hire an instructor or do whatever is necessary. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070213/c3567b0f/attachment.htm From wt46 at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 13 21:41:59 2007 From: wt46 at sbcglobal.net (Warren Thom) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:41:59 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] python beginner References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> Hi All, I am one of the students of Michael Tobis and Ian B. from last year. I really appreciated the help to learn Python. I think a lot of people liked the idea of parent-child working on the project together. I even started with my son - who is 30 year old. But he went off and got married and got interested in other things. The problem of costs was not really brought up, and I know things are not free. At Pycon 2007 in Dallas, the lesson day is like $100 for the first 4 hour class and $70 for the second. A fair price - but steep for parent/child activity. But then a day at Wrigley Field is not cheap. Around $200 for two full days is a fair price. I do find that one can learn a lot on their own. Finding modules and help does support the "Batteries included" concept. I am looking forward to Pycon next week. How many from Chicago are going? Warren Thom -- a newbie but learning From: "Carl Karsten" To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chicago] python beginner > http://chipy.org/BootCampy > > I have been trying to make that happen for a few months. Your interest > may be > what it takes to make it happen soon. > > Carl K > > Daniel Patinkin wrote: >> I have absolutely no experience in python language but i need to develop >> a >> working knowledge of it asap. I would be willing to attend a seminar, or >> hire an instructor or do whatever is necessary. Please email me if you >> have >> ideas. >> >> sincerely >> dan patinkin >> danielpatinkin at gmail.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From tottinge at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 21:43:08 2007 From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:43:08 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] python beginner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: how fast is ASAP? The tutorial that comes with it is very good. If it is too fast, there is the rest of us. I could give you IM and you could ping me with questions for a few days as you work through it. On 2/13/07, Daniel Patinkin wrote: > > I have absolutely no experience in python language but i need to develop a > working knowledge of it asap. I would be willing to attend a seminar, or > hire an instructor or do whatever is necessary. Please email me if you have > ideas. > > sincerely > dan patinkin > danielpatinkin at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070213/68e0c393/attachment.htm From tcp at uchicago.edu Tue Feb 13 21:45:05 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:45:05 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> Message-ID: <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Warren Thom wrote: > > I am looking forward to Pycon next week. How many from Chicago are > going? Show of hands? I think there's a bunch of us going (I am, at least)... We should totally go out for dinner or something some night. Thoughts? -t From asl2 at pobox.com Tue Feb 13 21:52:05 2007 From: asl2 at pobox.com (Aaron Lav) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:52:05 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <20070213205205.GA16310@panix.com> On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 02:45:05PM -0600, Ted Pollari wrote: > > On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Warren Thom wrote: > > > > > I am looking forward to Pycon next week. How many from Chicago are > > going? > > Show of hands? I'm going. Aaron From varmaa at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 21:53:20 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:53:20 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <361b27370702131253x5f2031d0n6de79cb1f3c80042@mail.gmail.com> On 2/13/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > Show of hands? > > I think there's a bunch of us going (I am, at least)... > > We should totally go out for dinner or something some night. > Thoughts? Sounds cool to me... Jono and I are going as well. - Atul From mtobis at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 21:56:13 2007 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:56:13 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <361b27370702131253x5f2031d0n6de79cb1f3c80042@mail.gmail.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <361b27370702131253x5f2031d0n6de79cb1f3c80042@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: me too... I know at least three of us are booked on Saturday for the EduPython SIG dinner and brainstorming session, so I'd prefer Friday. mt On 2/13/07, Atul Varma wrote: > > On 2/13/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > Show of hands? > > > > I think there's a bunch of us going (I am, at least)... > > > > We should totally go out for dinner or something some night. > > Thoughts? > > Sounds cool to me... Jono and I are going as well. > > - Atul > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070213/4edafb3d/attachment.html From pfein at pobox.com Tue Feb 13 21:54:03 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:54:03 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> References: <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <200702131454.03993.pfein@pobox.com> On Tuesday February 13 2007 2:45 pm, Ted Pollari wrote: > On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Warren Thom wrote: > > I am looking forward to Pycon next week. How many from Chicago are > > going? > > Show of hands? > > I think there's a bunch of us going (I am, at least)... I'm there. > > We should totally go out for dinner or something some night. > Thoughts? Somewhere with beer? From tcp at uchicago.edu Tue Feb 13 22:36:54 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:36:54 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <200702131454.03993.pfein@pobox.com> References: <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <200702131454.03993.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <68B6B2B1-83B2-40D9-AEB4-0E46A867595E@uchicago.edu> On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:54 PM, Pete wrote: >> Show of hands? >> >> I think there's a bunch of us going (I am, at least)... > > I'm there. > >> >> We should totally go out for dinner or something some night. >> Thoughts? > > Somewhere with beer? I figured that was a given. =) Check out google maps for restaurants and bars near the hotel -- there are a bunch within a 15 minute walk. -t From skip at pobox.com Tue Feb 13 22:47:17 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:47:17 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <17874.12773.563671.434863@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> I am looking forward to Pycon next week. How many from Chicago are >> going? Ted> Show of hands? I'm not going, but there's a slim chance I'll think of y'all while I'm in Puerto Rico. ;-) -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.webfast.com/~skip/ "The hippies and the hipsters did some great stuff in the sixties, but the geeks pulled their weight too." -- Billy Bragg From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Feb 14 04:11:07 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:11:07 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> On 2/13/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Warren Thom wrote: > > > > > I am looking forward to Pycon next week. How many from Chicago are > > going? > > Show of hands? Hand! I'm up for eating. Chris From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Wed Feb 14 17:27:08 2007 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:27:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Chicago] PyCon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <268462.81592.qm@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On 2/13/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Warren Thom wrote: > > > > > I am looking forward to Pycon next week. How many from Chicago are > > going? > > Show of hands? I'll be there (for my first PyCon ever) - Feihong ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From tcp at uchicago.edu Wed Feb 14 17:29:11 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:29:11 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 13, 2007, at 9:11 PM, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Hand! I'm up for eating. So, should I actually try to find a place near by and make a group reservation? Or is that too organized for us? ;-) -ted From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Feb 14 18:08:33 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:08:33 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> With this many Chicago people, do we have time to make ChiPy buttons or something? Um... probably not. It would be cool though. BTW, who's there for the sprints? (I am) -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Feb 14 18:11:22 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:11:22 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0702140911xc14a47y2ff8c55fac78089@mail.gmail.com> On 2/14/07, Ian Bicking wrote: > With this many Chicago people, do we have time to make ChiPy buttons or > something? Um... probably not. It would be cool though. We should write ChiPy on our badges or something. > BTW, who's there for the sprints? (I am) Me too. Chris From tcp at uchicago.edu Wed Feb 14 18:15:45 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:15:45 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <01BC889C-F5DA-40F1-803A-58C8DD454F8A@uchicago.edu> On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > With this many Chicago people, do we have time to make ChiPy > buttons or > something? Um... probably not. It would be cool though. Cool idea indeed -- and worth looking into... (and getting seen might help mindshare for our bid =) Got a logo? Should I use the suspiciously O'Reilly looking chipmunk from the website? -t From tcp at uchicago.edu Wed Feb 14 18:22:47 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:47 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > With this many Chicago people, do we have time to make ChiPy > buttons or > something? Um... probably not. It would be cool though. And would you pay a few bucks for them if I got custom lapel pins made? -t From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Feb 14 18:23:56 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:23:56 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <01BC889C-F5DA-40F1-803A-58C8DD454F8A@uchicago.edu> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <01BC889C-F5DA-40F1-803A-58C8DD454F8A@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <3096c19d0702140923w7bb06e4ev521e60cc36d5fc45@mail.gmail.com> On 2/14/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > > > With this many Chicago people, do we have time to make ChiPy > > buttons or > > something? Um... probably not. It would be cool though. > > > Cool idea indeed -- and worth looking into... > (and getting seen might help mindshare for our bid =) How about we just get some write-on "hello my name is" stickers and all right "Chicago 08" on them? Chris From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Feb 14 18:24:48 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:24:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <3096c19d0702140924o6b522581w41914afce9e9e722@mail.gmail.com> On 2/14/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > > > With this many Chicago people, do we have time to make ChiPy > > buttons or > > something? Um... probably not. It would be cool though. > > > And would you pay a few bucks for them if I got custom lapel pins made? Heck yes, despite the fact that I rarely have a lapel. Chirs From david at graniteweb.com Wed Feb 14 18:30:17 2007 From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:30:17 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702140923w7bb06e4ev521e60cc36d5fc45@mail.gmail.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <01BC889C-F5DA-40F1-803A-58C8DD454F8A@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702140923w7bb06e4ev521e60cc36d5fc45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070214173017.GC32742@wdfs.graniteweb.com> * Chris McAvoy [2007-02-14 11:23]: > > How about we just get some write-on "hello my name is" stickers and > all right "Chicago 08" on them? or all write, even ;-) -- David Rock david at graniteweb.com From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Feb 14 18:33:48 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:33:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> Ted Pollari wrote: > On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> With this many Chicago people, do we have time to make ChiPy >> buttons or >> something? Um... probably not. It would be cool though. > > > And would you pay a few bucks for them if I got custom lapel pins made? Sure thing. Are we just talking the simple round buttons? Those are the buttons I like most anyway. A squirrel pictured in mortal combat with a python would be super. You know, something to show how totally badass we are. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From carl at personnelware.com Wed Feb 14 18:42:49 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:42:49 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <45D34A19.8080307@personnelware.com> Ted Pollari wrote: > On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> With this many Chicago people, do we have time to make ChiPy >> buttons or >> something? Um... probably not. It would be cool though. > > > And would you pay a few bucks for them if I got custom lapel pins made? How about printing a sheet or 2 of ChiPy+Logo mailing label type labels that we can stick to our badges? From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Feb 14 18:43:07 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:43:07 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <20070214173017.GC32742@wdfs.graniteweb.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <01BC889C-F5DA-40F1-803A-58C8DD454F8A@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702140923w7bb06e4ev521e60cc36d5fc45@mail.gmail.com> <20070214173017.GC32742@wdfs.graniteweb.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0702140943s130e270fyf7e7069e72aef7ad@mail.gmail.com> On 2/14/07, David Rock wrote: > * Chris McAvoy [2007-02-14 11:23]: > > > > How about we just get some write-on "hello my name is" stickers and > > all right "Chicago 08" on them? > > or all write, even ;-) You forgot to capitalize the o in Or. Spelling-fascist. Chris From carl at personnelware.com Wed Feb 14 18:44:33 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:44:33 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <45D34A81.9060307@personnelware.com> Ian Bicking wrote: > Ted Pollari wrote: >> On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: >> >>> With this many Chicago people, do we have time to make ChiPy >>> buttons or >>> something? Um... probably not. It would be cool though. >> >> And would you pay a few bucks for them if I got custom lapel pins made? > > Sure thing. Are we just talking the simple round buttons? Those are > the buttons I like most anyway. > > A squirrel pictured in mortal combat with a python would be super. You > know, something to show how totally badass we are. > > by mortal combat, you mean hanging out in a bar, right? From tcp at uchicago.edu Wed Feb 14 18:47:11 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:47:11 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <45D34A81.9060307@personnelware.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> <45D34A81.9060307@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <82A5CE4B-7813-4B7A-BAAA-DA613CED32EC@uchicago.edu> On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > by mortal combat, you mean hanging out in a bar, right? So a chipmunk and a snake walk into a bar... From tcp at uchicago.edu Wed Feb 14 18:51:48 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:51:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702140923w7bb06e4ev521e60cc36d5fc45@mail.gmail.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <01BC889C-F5DA-40F1-803A-58C8DD454F8A@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702140923w7bb06e4ev521e60cc36d5fc45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1954D6C8-CB7C-4B8F-BA3F-CF040E59B938@uchicago.edu> On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote: > How about we just get some write-on "hello my name is" stickers and > all right "Chicago 08" on them? Cheapest option: aka: http://tinyurl.com/28fy86 Most expensive and least possible option: Lapel pins -- rush service and low quantities would probably mean that they'd be around $5-10 each. Probably not enough ChiPy bang for the buck. Middle ground: Custom buttons -- square ones (cooler than the old round ones) can be had for ~$2.50 each with no huge order required. I say we make buttons -- if we can put it together today, I can probably take care of getting it shipped to me, either at home or at the conference. -- Ted Pollari Research Programmer Department of Health Studies The University of Chicago tcp at uchicago.edu 773.834.0559 From tcp at uchicago.edu Wed Feb 14 18:54:36 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:54:36 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <3366F2E5-20B9-42EF-8F96-640614E65B6C@uchicago.edu> On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > A squirrel pictured in mortal combat with a python would be super. > You > know, something to show how totally badass we are. I'm so not a sketch artist, but this would be so kickass. Anyone got some sketching skills or the digital equivalent and the free time to whip something up today? -ted From aharrin at luc.edu Wed Feb 14 18:53:31 2007 From: aharrin at luc.edu (Andrew Harrington) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:53:31 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 18, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D34C9B.7030804@luc.edu> I'm going. Andy Harrington >> On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Warren Thom wrote: >> >> >>> I am looking forward to Pycon next week. How many from Chicago are >>> going? >>> -- Andrew N. Harrington Computer Science Department Director of Academic Programs Loyola University Chicago http://www.cs.luc.edu/~anh 512B Lewis Towers (office) Office Phone: 312-915-7982 Snail mail to Lewis Towers 416 Dept. Fax: 312-915-7998 820 North Michigan Avenue aharrin at luc.edu Chicago, Illinois 60611 From skip at pobox.com Wed Feb 14 19:57:08 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:57:08 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <17875.23428.784494.442887@montanaro.dyndns.org> Ian> With this many Chicago people, do we have time to make ChiPy Ian> buttons or something? Um... probably not. It would be cool Ian> though. If you go to the trouble of making buttons it should somehow lobby for PyCon Chicago 2008... ;-) Skip From tcp at uchicago.edu Wed Feb 14 21:19:14 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:19:14 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) In-Reply-To: <3366F2E5-20B9-42EF-8F96-640614E65B6C@uchicago.edu> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> <3366F2E5-20B9-42EF-8F96-640614E65B6C@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Ted Pollari wrote: > On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> A squirrel pictured in mortal combat with a python would be super. >> You >> know, something to show how totally badass we are. > > I'm so not a sketch artist, but this would be so kickass. Anyone got > some sketching skills or the digital equivalent and the free time to > whip something up today? > > -ted Okay, so I figure the easiest thing to do at this point is to make a rectangular button out of the logo on the ChiPy website . I mocked it up and the 2.75 inch (w) x 1.75 in. (h) looks pretty spiffy. Based on this site: http://www.affordablebuttons.com/index2.php we can get them done for ~$1.75 per button. Should we do that? Would other ChiPy members want them too? -ted -- Ted Pollari Research Programmer Department of Health Studies The University of Chicago tcp at uchicago.edu 773.834.0559 From varmaa at gmail.com Wed Feb 14 21:28:59 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:28:59 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) In-Reply-To: References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> <3366F2E5-20B9-42EF-8F96-640614E65B6C@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <361b27370702141228j56252c8dt242af937b31e215e@mail.gmail.com> On 2/14/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > Okay, so I figure the easiest thing to do at this point is to make a > rectangular button out of the logo on the ChiPy website www.chipy.org/chipy/chipy/img/OR_chipy_moin.png>. I mocked it up and > the 2.75 inch (w) x 1.75 in. (h) looks pretty spiffy. Based on this > site: http://www.affordablebuttons.com/index2.php we can get them > done for ~$1.75 per button. Should we do that? Would other ChiPy > members want them too? Sure, I'll buy one. - Atul From pfein at pobox.com Wed Feb 14 21:37:38 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:37:38 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) In-Reply-To: References: <3366F2E5-20B9-42EF-8F96-640614E65B6C@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <200702141437.38714.pfein@pobox.com> On Wednesday February 14 2007 2:19 pm, Ted Pollari wrote: > On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Ted Pollari wrote: > > On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> A squirrel pictured in mortal combat with a python would be super. > >> You > >> know, something to show how totally badass we are. > > > > I'm so not a sketch artist, but this would be so kickass. Anyone got > > some sketching skills or the digital equivalent and the free time to > > whip something up today? > > > > -ted > > Okay, so I figure the easiest thing to do at this point is to make a > rectangular button out of the logo on the ChiPy website www.chipy.org/chipy/chipy/img/OR_chipy_moin.png>. I mocked it up and > the 2.75 inch (w) x 1.75 in. (h) looks pretty spiffy. Based on this > site: http://www.affordablebuttons.com/index2.php we can get them > done for ~$1.75 per button. Should we do that? Would other ChiPy > members want them too? If you can add "Home of Pycon 2008: Because the suburbs suck", I'm in. ;) Heck, I'll probably get one anyway. From carl at personnelware.com Wed Feb 14 21:40:51 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:40:51 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) In-Reply-To: References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> <3366F2E5-20B9-42EF-8F96-640614E65B6C@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <45D373D3.3020108@personnelware.com> I'll take 2. and 2 for She too. (how much flare is too much?) and 2 more for my AV crew. so count me in for 6. and add 4 more to my order just to have some extras. good way to make 4 friends. Carl K From adrian at holovaty.com Wed Feb 14 21:43:29 2007 From: adrian at holovaty.com (Adrian Holovaty) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:43:29 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) In-Reply-To: <200702141437.38714.pfein@pobox.com> References: <200702141437.38714.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <200702141443.29815.chipy@holovaty.com> Pete wrote: > If you can add "Home of Pycon 2008: Because the suburbs suck", I'm in. ;) Oh, man. If you use that slogan, count me in for two. Or ten. Adrian From s-githens at northwestern.edu Wed Feb 14 21:21:51 2007 From: s-githens at northwestern.edu (Steven Githens) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:21:51 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) In-Reply-To: References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> <3366F2E5-20B9-42EF-8F96-640614E65B6C@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <45D36F5F.6070304@northwestern.edu> I'm not going to PyCon, but I would love a ChiPy button. steve Ted Pollari wrote: > On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Ted Pollari wrote: > > >> On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: >> >> >>> A squirrel pictured in mortal combat with a python would be super. >>> You >>> know, something to show how totally badass we are. >>> >> I'm so not a sketch artist, but this would be so kickass. Anyone got >> some sketching skills or the digital equivalent and the free time to >> whip something up today? >> >> -ted >> > > > Okay, so I figure the easiest thing to do at this point is to make a > rectangular button out of the logo on the ChiPy website www.chipy.org/chipy/chipy/img/OR_chipy_moin.png>. I mocked it up and > the 2.75 inch (w) x 1.75 in. (h) looks pretty spiffy. Based on this > site: http://www.affordablebuttons.com/index2.php we can get them > done for ~$1.75 per button. Should we do that? Would other ChiPy > members want them too? > > > -ted > > From wt46 at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 14 22:26:38 2007 From: wt46 at sbcglobal.net (Warren Thom) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:26:38 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com><83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu><45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com><3366F2E5-20B9-42EF-8F96-640614E65B6C@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <00cc01c7507e$d02c8b30$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> Count me for two! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Pollari" To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) > > On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Ted Pollari wrote: > >> On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: >> >>> A squirrel pictured in mortal combat with a python would be super. >>> You >>> know, something to show how totally badass we are. >> >> I'm so not a sketch artist, but this would be so kickass. Anyone got >> some sketching skills or the digital equivalent and the free time to >> whip something up today? >> >> -ted > > > Okay, so I figure the easiest thing to do at this point is to make a > rectangular button out of the logo on the ChiPy website www.chipy.org/chipy/chipy/img/OR_chipy_moin.png>. I mocked it up and > the 2.75 inch (w) x 1.75 in. (h) looks pretty spiffy. Based on this > site: http://www.affordablebuttons.com/index2.php we can get them > done for ~$1.75 per button. Should we do that? Would other ChiPy > members want them too? > > > -ted > > -- > Ted Pollari > Research Programmer > Department of Health Studies > The University of Chicago > tcp at uchicago.edu > 773.834.0559 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Feb 14 22:35:54 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:35:54 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) In-Reply-To: <00cc01c7507e$d02c8b30$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> References: <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> <3366F2E5-20B9-42EF-8F96-640614E65B6C@uchicago.edu> <00cc01c7507e$d02c8b30$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> Message-ID: <3096c19d0702141335v3ec0ef2bt11d2d323e73daded@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, I'm in for a handful, let's say 5! 5! Chris From mtobis at gmail.com Wed Feb 14 22:43:40 2007 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:43:40 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702141335v3ec0ef2bt11d2d323e73daded@mail.gmail.com> References: <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> <3366F2E5-20B9-42EF-8F96-640614E65B6C@uchicago.edu> <00cc01c7507e$d02c8b30$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <3096c19d0702141335v3ec0ef2bt11d2d323e73daded@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: two please, oh and one more because I'm probably gonna lose one. 3 for me... mt On 2/14/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > Yeah, I'm in for a handful, let's say 5! 5! > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070214/bcffd1a6/attachment.htm From tcp at uchicago.edu Wed Feb 14 23:00:26 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:00:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) In-Reply-To: References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> <3366F2E5-20B9-42EF-8F96-640614E65B6C@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: Can anyone provide me with a higher resolution copy of the ChiPy logo? Either way, how does this look? http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/button_small1.pdf Printed, it's actual size for the button, assuming nobody objects too much, I think that's what I'll go with. On Feb 14, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Adrian Holovaty wrote: > Pete wrote: >> If you can add "Home of Pycon 2008: Because the suburbs suck", I'm >> in. ;) > > Oh, man. If you use that slogan, count me in for two. Or ten. Bets on how long it'd take for us to lose the bid with that slogan? =P -ted From dbt at meat.net Wed Feb 14 22:40:12 2007 From: dbt at meat.net (David Terrell) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:40:12 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702141335v3ec0ef2bt11d2d323e73daded@mail.gmail.com> <00cc01c7507e$d02c8b30$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> References: <00cc01c7507e$d02c8b30$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <3096c19d0702141335v3ec0ef2bt11d2d323e73daded@mail.gmail.com> <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <00cc01c7507e$d02c8b30$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> Message-ID: <20070214214012.GK31094@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:26:38PM -0600, Warren Thom wrote: > Count me for two! > On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:35:54PM -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Yeah, I'm in for a handful, let's say 5! 5! > Just one for me, thanks. -- David Terrell dbt at meat.net ((meatspace)) http://meat.net/ From skip at pobox.com Thu Feb 15 00:56:23 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:56:23 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Buttons (for PyCon, for fun, for the whole family) In-Reply-To: References: <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> <3366F2E5-20B9-42EF-8F96-640614E65B6C@uchicago.edu> <00cc01c7507e$d02c8b30$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <3096c19d0702141335v3ec0ef2bt11d2d323e73daded@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17875.41383.412540.723185@montanaro.dyndns.org> mt> two please, oh and one more because I'm probably gonna lose one. 3 mt> for me... I'll take three. If it's not too much trouble... Since I'm not going to PyCon and virtually never drag myself to the meetings you'll probably have to mail them to me. Drop me a note with the price w/ s&h and I'll paypal you some $$. Thx, Skip From david at graniteweb.com Thu Feb 15 04:29:32 2007 From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:29:32 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702140943s130e270fyf7e7069e72aef7ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <01BC889C-F5DA-40F1-803A-58C8DD454F8A@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702140923w7bb06e4ev521e60cc36d5fc45@mail.gmail.com> <20070214173017.GC32742@wdfs.graniteweb.com> <3096c19d0702140943s130e270fyf7e7069e72aef7ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070215032932.GA6313@wdfs.graniteweb.com> * Chris McAvoy [2007-02-14 11:43]: > On 2/14/07, David Rock wrote: > >* Chris McAvoy [2007-02-14 11:23]: > >> > >> How about we just get some write-on "hello my name is" stickers and > >> all right "Chicago 08" on them? > > > >or all write, even ;-) > > You forgot to capitalize the o in Or. > > Spelling-fascist. Touche' :-) -- David Rock david at graniteweb.com From tcp at uchicago.edu Thu Feb 15 17:36:19 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:36:19 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices Message-ID: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> here are the choices: http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/options.pdf Which, if any do y'all like? Pick one of 1-4 (1 at the top, etc.) See a change that needs to be made? Tell me. Otherwise, I'm leaning towards either #2 or #4 I need to get this to the button company today. -ted From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Feb 15 18:09:06 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:09:06 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <45D493B2.7030400@colorstudy.com> Ted Pollari wrote: > here are the choices: > http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/options.pdf > > Which, if any do y'all like? Pick one of 1-4 (1 at the top, etc.) > See a change that needs to be made? Tell me. > > Otherwise, I'm leaning towards either #2 or #4 > > I need to get this to the button company today. I definitely like the squirrel with the nut. I'm not really fond of the text placement in either version though. Also at the top it also might very well get cut off. I personally would just be inclined to line up the left side of the "C" in both ChiPy and Chicago Python User Group, but have Chicago Python User Group further down like in page 2. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From asl2 at pobox.com Thu Feb 15 18:11:50 2007 From: asl2 at pobox.com (Aaron Lav) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:11:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <20070215171150.GA9657@panix.com> On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 10:36:19AM -0600, Ted Pollari wrote: > here are the choices: > http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/options.pdf > > Which, if any do y'all like? Pick one of 1-4 (1 at the top, etc.) > See a change that needs to be made? Tell me. > > Otherwise, I'm leaning towards either #2 or #4 > > I need to get this to the button company today. No opinion on the choices, but can you sign me up for a button? Aaron From varmaa at gmail.com Thu Feb 15 18:19:32 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:19:32 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <361b27370702150919s6585ccf8x8893b881375dff02@mail.gmail.com> Jono would like a button too (and I've already mentioned that I'd like one). Any button is fine with me. What happened to the blurb about PyCon '08 and the burbs sucking? - Atul On 2/15/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > here are the choices: > http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/options.pdf > > Which, if any do y'all like? Pick one of 1-4 (1 at the top, etc.) > See a change that needs to be made? Tell me. > > Otherwise, I'm leaning towards either #2 or #4 > > I need to get this to the button company today. > > -ted > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From john at phaedrusdeinus.org Thu Feb 15 18:37:06 2007 From: john at phaedrusdeinus.org (johnnnnnnn) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:37:06 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: I'm in for one button, and my vote is not #3. -johnnnnnn On Feb 15, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Ted Pollari wrote: > here are the choices: > http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/options.pdf > > Which, if any do y'all like? Pick one of 1-4 (1 at the top, etc.) > See a change that needs to be made? Tell me. > > Otherwise, I'm leaning towards either #2 or #4 > > I need to get this to the button company today. > > -ted > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From pfein at pobox.com Thu Feb 15 19:34:44 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:34:44 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: <361b27370702150919s6585ccf8x8893b881375dff02@mail.gmail.com> References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> <361b27370702150919s6585ccf8x8893b881375dff02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200702151234.45148.pfein@pobox.com> I think it got vetoed by the people actually doing the work. >:-| That said, I like the ones with the nut, #1 esp. (though perhaps with bigger text at the top). I also like leaving some space to write one's name. Yeah, my name, that's *totally* what I'm going to write there. :-P On Thursday February 15 2007 11:19 am, Atul Varma wrote: > Jono would like a button too (and I've already mentioned that I'd like > one). > > Any button is fine with me. What happened to the blurb about PyCon > '08 and the burbs sucking? > > - Atul > > On 2/15/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > here are the choices: > > http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/options.pdf > > > > Which, if any do y'all like? Pick one of 1-4 (1 at the top, etc.) > > See a change that needs to be made? Tell me. > > > > Otherwise, I'm leaning towards either #2 or #4 > > > > I need to get this to the button company today. > > > > -ted > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From tcp at uchicago.edu Thu Feb 15 19:41:53 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:41:53 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: <45D493B2.7030400@colorstudy.com> References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> <45D493B2.7030400@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: On Feb 15, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > I definitely like the squirrel with the nut. I'm not really fond > of the > text placement in either version though. Also at the top it also > might > very well get cut off. I personally would just be inclined to line up > the left side of the "C" in both ChiPy and Chicago Python User Group, > but have Chicago Python User Group further down like in page 2. Cool. How's this: http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/button_small2b.pdf -ted From tcp at uchicago.edu Thu Feb 15 19:49:56 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:49:56 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: <200702151234.45148.pfein@pobox.com> References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> <361b27370702150919s6585ccf8x8893b881375dff02@mail.gmail.com> <200702151234.45148.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Pete wrote: > I think it got vetoed by the people actually doing the work. >:-| If I can do it without costing a bit more, I might make some with the slogan, but I'll only hand them out AFTER they make their decision about PyCon 2008 -- there are a few other good bids. -Ted > > That said, I like the ones with the nut, #1 esp. (though perhaps > with bigger > text at the top). > > I also like leaving some space to write one's name. Yeah, my name, > that's > *totally* what I'm going to write there. :-P That's kinda what I was thinking... hmmm... -t From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Feb 15 19:57:16 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:57:16 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> <45D493B2.7030400@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <45D4AD0C.1090508@colorstudy.com> Ted Pollari wrote: > On Feb 15, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> I definitely like the squirrel with the nut. I'm not really fond >> of the >> text placement in either version though. Also at the top it also >> might >> very well get cut off. I personally would just be inclined to line up >> the left side of the "C" in both ChiPy and Chicago Python User Group, >> but have Chicago Python User Group further down like in page 2. > > Cool. How's this: > > http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/button_small2b.pdf Looks good -- one could also just put a sticker over that text and replace it with the text of one's choice. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From carl at personnelware.com Thu Feb 15 20:06:06 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:06:06 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> <361b27370702150919s6585ccf8x8893b881375dff02@mail.gmail.com> <200702151234.45148.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <45D4AF1E.3010708@personnelware.com> Ted Pollari wrote: > On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Pete wrote: > >> I think it got vetoed by the people actually doing the work. >:-| > > > If I can do it without costing a bit more, I might make some with the > slogan, but I'll only hand them out AFTER they make their decision > about PyCon 2008 -- there are a few other good bids. > No way - we should be give a bunch away to the people that asked for Chicago last year - hammer home the voice of the public! besides, the only other bid I have seen is $30/night more, and in my opossum the location sux, unless you plan on staying a few extra days in a suxy room so that you can enjoy some of the not so local attractions. (I lived there, it isn't as nice as they are marketing it. which kinda pisses me off.) ck From tcp at uchicago.edu Thu Feb 15 20:08:51 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:08:51 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: <45D4AF1E.3010708@personnelware.com> References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> <361b27370702150919s6585ccf8x8893b881375dff02@mail.gmail.com> <200702151234.45148.pfein@pobox.com> <45D4AF1E.3010708@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <71834603-E68C-4DA5-8B54-8FF3BB5819C4@uchicago.edu> On Feb 15, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > No way - we should be give a bunch away to the people that asked > for Chicago > last year - hammer home the voice of the public! > And get our bid tossed because, well, we'd be a bunch of tossers. > besides, the only other bid I have seen is $30/night more, And they actually have a bid together. I'm still fighting with Larry to get the contract squared away. -t -- Ted Pollari Research Programmer Department of Health Studies The University of Chicago tcp at uchicago.edu 773.834.0559 From skip at pobox.com Thu Feb 15 20:28:09 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:28:09 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> <361b27370702150919s6585ccf8x8893b881375dff02@mail.gmail.com> <200702151234.45148.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <17876.46153.689410.924654@montanaro.dyndns.org> Ted> On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Pete wrote: >> I think it got vetoed by the people actually doing the work. >:-| Ted> If I can do it without costing a bit more, I might make some with Ted> the slogan, but I'll only hand them out AFTER they make their Ted> decision about PyCon 2008 -- there are a few other good bids. Not to mention which that if PyCon Chicago 2008 becomes reality there's a (very) slim chance it might actually be held in a suburb. =:-o Speaking of which, Brian Dennis put me in touch with his contacts at Northwestern. I did get a message from one of them, replied back in mid-January, but haven't heard anything else back since then. The connection with Northwestern being as tenuous as it is (no primary ChiPy person being directly affiliated with NU), my guess is that Northwestern is a highly unlikely potential host site. Maybe we can hold the sailing events there. Oh wait, wrong group... Skip From tcp at uchicago.edu Thu Feb 15 22:26:29 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:26:29 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: <45D4AD0C.1090508@colorstudy.com> References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> <45D493B2.7030400@colorstudy.com> <45D4AD0C.1090508@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <8F84224F-0652-46B8-BCA8-0528BDB3EE53@uchicago.edu> On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: >> Cool. How's this: >> >> http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/button_small2b.pdf > > Looks good -- one could also just put a sticker over that text and > replace it with the text of one's choice. >> So which is better, the one above or this one: http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/button_small2c.pdf -- I moved the text down so that if someone wanted to write their name, they'd have more space... -t -- Ted Pollari Research Programmer Department of Health Studies The University of Chicago tcp at uchicago.edu 773.834.0559 From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Feb 15 22:45:41 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:45:41 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] vote on the button choices In-Reply-To: <8F84224F-0652-46B8-BCA8-0528BDB3EE53@uchicago.edu> References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> <45D493B2.7030400@colorstudy.com> <45D4AD0C.1090508@colorstudy.com> <8F84224F-0652-46B8-BCA8-0528BDB3EE53@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <45D4D485.2080506@colorstudy.com> Ted Pollari wrote: > On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > >>> Cool. How's this: >>> >>> http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/button_small2b.pdf >> Looks good -- one could also just put a sticker over that text and >> replace it with the text of one's choice. > > > So which is better, the one above or this one: > > http://homepage.mac.com/tcp/ChiPy/button_small2c.pdf > > -- I moved the text down so that if someone wanted to write their > name, they'd have more space... I think moving the text down is good, so the new one. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From tcp at uchicago.edu Thu Feb 15 22:58:03 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:58:03 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Button List -- Make sure you're on it...all the cool kids are. In-Reply-To: <45D4D485.2080506@colorstudy.com> References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> <45D493B2.7030400@colorstudy.com> <45D4AD0C.1090508@colorstudy.com> <8F84224F-0652-46B8-BCA8-0528BDB3EE53@uchicago.edu> <45D4D485.2080506@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: On Feb 15, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > > I think moving the text down is good, so the new one. > Good enough for me =) Here's the list: name qty steve githens 1 Atul Varma 2 Pete Fien 1 Carl Karsten 6 Warren Thom 2 Chris McAvoy 5 Ted Pollari 2 David Terrell 1 Michael Tobis 3 Skip 3 Arron Lav 1 jonnnnnnnnn 1 Ian Bicking 1 total: 29 I'll throw in one more so we're at 30 and that'll make it $2.14 per button plus shipping, etc. and any rush fees to get this done by PyCon. Speak up NOW if you want one and aren't listed. -ted -- Ted Pollari Research Programmer Department of Health Studies The University of Chicago tcp at uchicago.edu 773.834.0559 From carl at personnelware.com Thu Feb 15 23:12:10 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:12:10 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Button List -- Make sure you're on it...all the cool kids are. In-Reply-To: References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> <45D493B2.7030400@colorstudy.com> <45D4AD0C.1090508@colorstudy.com> <8F84224F-0652-46B8-BCA8-0528BDB3EE53@uchicago.edu> <45D4D485.2080506@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <45D4DABA.3040305@personnelware.com> Ted Pollari wrote: > On Feb 15, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> I think moving the text down is good, so the new one. >> > > Good enough for me =) > > Here's the list: > > name qty > steve githens 1 > Atul Varma 2 > Pete Fien 1 > Carl Karsten 6 > Warren Thom 2 > Chris McAvoy 5 > Ted Pollari 2 > David Terrell 1 > Michael Tobis 3 > Skip 3 > Arron Lav 1 > jonnnnnnnnn 1 > Ian Bicking 1 > > > total: 29 > > > I'll throw in one more so we're at 30 and that'll make it $2.14 per > button plus shipping, etc. and any rush fees to get this done by PyCon. > > Speak up NOW if you want one and aren't listed. I want a total of 10 - you missed the > and add 4 more to my order just to have some extras. good way to make 4 friends. also, as long as this is a limited edition thing, how about a date or something? (yeah, I know.. way too late, but you are the SABDFL, or at least the week.) From tcp at uchicago.edu Fri Feb 16 00:30:30 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:30:30 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Button List -- Make sure you're on it...all the cool kids are. In-Reply-To: References: <4D7E0A62-43E9-481E-9546-F35EDD0378F7@uchicago.edu> <45D493B2.7030400@colorstudy.com> <45D4AD0C.1090508@colorstudy.com> <8F84224F-0652-46B8-BCA8-0528BDB3EE53@uchicago.edu> <45D4D485.2080506@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <688AF1DB-CB38-4BCE-9421-0ADE3A800328@uchicago.edu> On Feb 15, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > > I'll throw in one more so we're at 30 and that'll make it $2.14 per > button plus shipping, etc. and any rush fees to get this done by > PyCon. > > Speak up NOW if you want one and aren't listed. > > -ted > I've ordered a few extra of them, so if you want one I may have a couple extra. They've been ordered and will arrive at the hotel in Dallas for me on Wednesday of next week. Given the shipping and time costs, I'm asking that everyone pitch in $3.50 for each button. I'll be sporting mine and my PyCon name badge thingy, so find me there or drop me an email during the conference and we can meet up. For those of you not attending the conference, drop me an email and we can work out how to get them to you. -Ted From deadwisdom at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 01:06:48 2007 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:06:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <694c06d60702151606i2af27ee8i52a05a91ae6ff152@mail.gmail.com> How about this instead? http://www.brantley-harris.com/chipy/ On 2/14/07, Ian Bicking wrote: > A squirrel pictured in mortal combat with a python would be super. You > know, something to show how totally badass we are. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070215/fbf6b246/attachment.html From deadwisdom at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 01:10:28 2007 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:10:28 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] An image for a button or T-Shirt perhaps? Message-ID: <694c06d60702151610v550a5aefw497d4c0c63ff3294@mail.gmail.com> I'm not going to be at PyCon, unfortunately. But in a flurry of creative energy I threw this image together: http://www.brantley-harris.com/chipy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070215/eadff8ac/attachment.html From varmaa at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 02:23:58 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:23:58 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] An image for a button or T-Shirt perhaps? In-Reply-To: References: <694c06d60702151610v550a5aefw497d4c0c63ff3294@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370702151723m4ba51836s49d175937244cdbd@mail.gmail.com> That's an awesome picture!! Can we, uh, place another order of buttons? I'll buy the ones that Ted just placed, and I'll buy Brantley's too... the more the merrier. - Atul On 2/15/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > On Feb 15, 2007, at 6:10 PM, Brantley Harris wrote: > I'm not going to be at PyCon, unfortunately. But in a flurry of creative > energy I threw this image together: > > http://www.brantley-harris.com/chipy/ > > > !!! D'Oh! > > I just placed the order a few minutes ago. That's a sweet graphic, > however... > > > > -t > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From tcp at uchicago.edu Fri Feb 16 02:38:20 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:38:20 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] An image for a button or T-Shirt perhaps? In-Reply-To: <361b27370702151723m4ba51836s49d175937244cdbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <694c06d60702151610v550a5aefw497d4c0c63ff3294@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370702151723m4ba51836s49d175937244cdbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5BEF0DD9-53F8-47D9-8EA2-2E6E9D4CBC1A@uchicago.edu> On Feb 15, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Atul Varma wrote: > That's an awesome picture!! Can we, uh, place another order of > buttons? I'll buy the ones that Ted just placed, and I'll buy > Brantley's too... the more the merrier. > > - Atul Forget the button idea -- that's totally a T-Shirt worthy graphic -- and one of the rare t-shirts one's I'd wear. Someone else want to step up to organize that? -ted From ianb at colorstudy.com Fri Feb 16 05:44:33 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:44:33 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <694c06d60702151606i2af27ee8i52a05a91ae6ff152@mail.gmail.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> <694c06d60702151606i2af27ee8i52a05a91ae6ff152@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45D536B1.8090400@colorstudy.com> Brantley Harris wrote: > How about this instead? > > http://www.brantley-harris.com/chipy/ Darn, too late for this batch of buttons. Maybe we'll need a second run sometime. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From deadwisdom at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 08:48:48 2007 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:48:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] An image for a button or T-Shirt perhaps? In-Reply-To: <5BEF0DD9-53F8-47D9-8EA2-2E6E9D4CBC1A@uchicago.edu> References: <694c06d60702151610v550a5aefw497d4c0c63ff3294@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370702151723m4ba51836s49d175937244cdbd@mail.gmail.com> <5BEF0DD9-53F8-47D9-8EA2-2E6E9D4CBC1A@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <694c06d60702152348h246cec50pc145799287b723df@mail.gmail.com> I'm no good at the organization of such things, but if anyone does and needs a high-rez of it, I can abide. On 2/15/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > On Feb 15, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Atul Varma wrote: > > > That's an awesome picture!! Can we, uh, place another order of > > buttons? I'll buy the ones that Ted just placed, and I'll buy > > Brantley's too... the more the merrier. > > > > - Atul > > > Forget the button idea -- that's totally a T-Shirt worthy graphic -- > and one of the rare t-shirts one's I'd wear. > > Someone else want to step up to organize that? > > -ted > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070216/cce0c559/attachment.html From varmaa at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 14:08:19 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:08:19 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] An image for a button or T-Shirt perhaps? In-Reply-To: <5BEF0DD9-53F8-47D9-8EA2-2E6E9D4CBC1A@uchicago.edu> References: <694c06d60702151610v550a5aefw497d4c0c63ff3294@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370702151723m4ba51836s49d175937244cdbd@mail.gmail.com> <5BEF0DD9-53F8-47D9-8EA2-2E6E9D4CBC1A@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <361b27370702160508y98f9082wb85c7837543558ff@mail.gmail.com> On 2/15/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > Forget the button idea -- that's totally a T-Shirt worthy graphic -- > and one of the rare t-shirts one's I'd wear. > > Someone else want to step up to organize that? Sure, I can do that. I've set up a prototype t-shirt on cafepress: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=109000544 Please don't order that shirt, though--the images I used were very low-res and I'll have to get the hi-res version from Brantley. I've also embellished the ChiPy "logo" with a touch of Chicago: http://varmaa.googlepages.com/back.jpg It's true that this shirt never says "Chicago Python User Group" on it, but I kind of like it that way... Sorta makes it an interesting conversation starter. Thoughts? - Atul From cstejerean at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 19:43:44 2007 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:43:44 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <45D536B1.8090400@colorstudy.com> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <83BD3778-8040-47D1-9780-5259ACB21DE5@uchicago.edu> <45D347FC.5000207@colorstudy.com> <694c06d60702151606i2af27ee8i52a05a91ae6ff152@mail.gmail.com> <45D536B1.8090400@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <276266d0702161043s1e4a0b6mb2e85e9e96969b9f@mail.gmail.com> When the second run happens I'll take about 20 of those. - Cosmin On 2/15/07, Ian Bicking wrote: > Brantley Harris wrote: > > How about this instead? > > > > http://www.brantley-harris.com/chipy/ > > Darn, too late for this batch of buttons. Maybe we'll need a second run > sometime. > > -- > Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From kapteynr at cboe.com Fri Feb 16 19:59:05 2007 From: kapteynr at cboe.com (Kapteyn, Rob) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:59:05 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Button List -- Make sure you're on it...all the coolkids are. Message-ID: I just registered -- I'm also going to PyCon. Please add me to the button list, if its not too late. See you all there. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Ted Pollari Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:31 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] Button List -- Make sure you're on it...all the coolkids are. On Feb 15, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > > I'll throw in one more so we're at 30 and that'll make it $2.14 per > button plus shipping, etc. and any rush fees to get this done by > PyCon. > > Speak up NOW if you want one and aren't listed. > > -ted > I've ordered a few extra of them, so if you want one I may have a couple extra. They've been ordered and will arrive at the hotel in Dallas for me on Wednesday of next week. Given the shipping and time costs, I'm asking that everyone pitch in $3.50 for each button. I'll be sporting mine and my PyCon name badge thingy, so find me there or drop me an email during the conference and we can meet up. For those of you not attending the conference, drop me an email and we can work out how to get them to you. -Ted _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From shekay at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 20:43:48 2007 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:43:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: <17875.23428.784494.442887@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <17875.23428.784494.442887@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On 2/14/07, skip at pobox.com wrote: > > Ian> With this many Chicago people, do we have time to make ChiPy > Ian> buttons or something? Um... probably not. It would be cool > Ian> though. > > If you go to the trouble of making buttons it should somehow lobby for PyCon > Chicago 2008... ;-) I think we should get a hotel suite and throw a Chicago in '08 party. but, uh, if I thought we should do that I should have planned it three months ago or something -- sheila From deadwisdom at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 20:45:50 2007 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:45:50 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] An image for a button or T-Shirt perhaps? In-Reply-To: <361b27370702160508y98f9082wb85c7837543558ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <694c06d60702151610v550a5aefw497d4c0c63ff3294@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370702151723m4ba51836s49d175937244cdbd@mail.gmail.com> <5BEF0DD9-53F8-47D9-8EA2-2E6E9D4CBC1A@uchicago.edu> <361b27370702160508y98f9082wb85c7837543558ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <694c06d60702161145r45350059ma69e1d403dc5a1e0@mail.gmail.com> Beautiful. I love the stars. I also love that it doesn't say "Chicago Python User Group". That way it doesn't seem as geeky, but still is to those in the know. On 2/16/07, Atul Varma wrote: > > On 2/15/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > Forget the button idea -- that's totally a T-Shirt worthy graphic -- > > and one of the rare t-shirts one's I'd wear. > > > > Someone else want to step up to organize that? > > Sure, I can do that. > > I've set up a prototype t-shirt on cafepress: > > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=109000544 > > Please don't order that shirt, though--the images I used were very > low-res and I'll have to get the hi-res version from Brantley. I've > also embellished the ChiPy "logo" with a touch of Chicago: > > http://varmaa.googlepages.com/back.jpg > > It's true that this shirt never says "Chicago Python User Group" on > it, but I kind of like it that way... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070216/77768976/attachment.html From shekay at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 20:51:15 2007 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:51:15 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon (WAS:Re: python beginner) In-Reply-To: References: <45D2158B.1000001@personnelware.com> <007e01c74faf$6938f500$4001a8c0@THETHOMS> <0C20FB59-330E-495D-9BB5-5834756B602F@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0702131911pb35e0b7ib2925e0e731b398b@mail.gmail.com> <45D34211.9010204@colorstudy.com> <17875.23428.784494.442887@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On 2/16/07, sheila miguez wrote: > On 2/14/07, skip at pobox.com wrote: > > > > Ian> With this many Chicago people, do we have time to make ChiPy > > Ian> buttons or something? Um... probably not. It would be cool > > Ian> though. > > > > If you go to the trouble of making buttons it should somehow lobby for PyCon > > Chicago 2008... ;-) > > I think we should get a hotel suite and throw a Chicago in '08 party. > but, uh, if I thought we should do that I should have planned it three > months ago or something and if we have a party we should bring dvds or albums of Monty Python's Flying Circus and run them in a loop and one of you should bring a steel string guitar and play electric blues and someone else should do some hot dogs. -- sheila From shekay at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 20:54:32 2007 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:54:32 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] An image for a button or T-Shirt perhaps? In-Reply-To: <694c06d60702151610v550a5aefw497d4c0c63ff3294@mail.gmail.com> References: <694c06d60702151610v550a5aefw497d4c0c63ff3294@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/15/07, Brantley Harris wrote: > I'm not going to be at PyCon, unfortunately. But in a flurry of creative > energy I threw this image together: > > http://www.brantley-harris.com/chipy/ that's f987235ing awesome. print up fliers with it to invite people to for our non-existent bid-party for Chicago '08. -- sheila From tcp at uchicago.edu Fri Feb 16 21:37:31 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:37:31 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] An image for a button or T-Shirt perhaps? In-Reply-To: <694c06d60702161145r45350059ma69e1d403dc5a1e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <694c06d60702151610v550a5aefw497d4c0c63ff3294@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370702151723m4ba51836s49d175937244cdbd@mail.gmail.com> <5BEF0DD9-53F8-47D9-8EA2-2E6E9D4CBC1A@uchicago.edu> <361b27370702160508y98f9082wb85c7837543558ff@mail.gmail.com> <694c06d60702161145r45350059ma69e1d403dc5a1e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 16, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Brantley Harris wrote: > Beautiful. I love the stars. I also love that it doesn't say > "Chicago Python User Group". That way it doesn't seem as geeky, > but still is to those in the know. Totally kick ass. Thanks Brantley & Atul. I'd probably be interested in a darker shirt... therefore, is there any way you can make the background transparent? (see http://www.cafepress.com/cp/learn/blackshirts/ ) Also, how about a version that reverses the back art for the front art and vice-versa? (much less important to me as compared with the above =) picky as always, ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070216/9c42125d/attachment.htm From deadwisdom at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 21:52:12 2007 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:52:12 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] An image for a button or T-Shirt perhaps? In-Reply-To: References: <694c06d60702151610v550a5aefw497d4c0c63ff3294@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370702151723m4ba51836s49d175937244cdbd@mail.gmail.com> <5BEF0DD9-53F8-47D9-8EA2-2E6E9D4CBC1A@uchicago.edu> <361b27370702160508y98f9082wb85c7837543558ff@mail.gmail.com> <694c06d60702161145r45350059ma69e1d403dc5a1e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <694c06d60702161252w395082eepfc40ac12f3a050a2@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I mean it's all vectored up in Illustrator so we can do whatever. Whoever needs the high-res: email me. On 2/16/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > On Feb 16, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Brantley Harris wrote: > > Beautiful. I love the stars. I also love that it doesn't say "Chicago > Python User Group". That way it doesn't seem as geeky, but still is to > those in the know. > > > Totally kick ass. Thanks Brantley & Atul. > > I'd probably be interested in a darker shirt... therefore, is there any > way you can make the background transparent? > > (see http://www.cafepress.com/cp/learn/blackshirts/ ) > > > Also, how about a version that reverses the back art for the front art and > vice-versa? (much less important to me as compared with the above =) > > picky as always, > ted > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070216/97c56f66/attachment.html From varmaa at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 22:05:41 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:05:41 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] An image for a button or T-Shirt perhaps? In-Reply-To: <694c06d60702161252w395082eepfc40ac12f3a050a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <694c06d60702151610v550a5aefw497d4c0c63ff3294@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370702151723m4ba51836s49d175937244cdbd@mail.gmail.com> <5BEF0DD9-53F8-47D9-8EA2-2E6E9D4CBC1A@uchicago.edu> <361b27370702160508y98f9082wb85c7837543558ff@mail.gmail.com> <694c06d60702161145r45350059ma69e1d403dc5a1e0@mail.gmail.com> <694c06d60702161252w395082eepfc40ac12f3a050a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370702161305n6a67b172nb7e687c11a9bb771@mail.gmail.com> Great. I can make the background transparent and whip up a few variations of the shirt--I'd like a long-sleeve version myself. Brantley, can you please email me the file in a format that Photoshop can load? Say, PDF? - Atul On 2/16/07, Brantley Harris wrote: > Yeah I mean it's all vectored up in Illustrator so we can do whatever. > Whoever needs the high-res: email me. > > > On 2/16/07, Ted Pollari < tcp at uchicago.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Brantley Harris wrote: > > > > Beautiful. I love the stars. I also love that it doesn't say "Chicago > Python User Group". That way it doesn't seem as geeky, but still is to > those in the know. > > > > Totally kick ass. Thanks Brantley & Atul. > > > > > > > > > > I'd probably be interested in a darker shirt... therefore, is there any > way you can make the background transparent? > > > > > > (see http://www.cafepress.com/cp/learn/blackshirts/ ) > > > > > > > > > > Also, how about a version that reverses the back art for the front art and > vice-versa? (much less important to me as compared with the above =) > > > > > > picky as always, > > ted > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From varmaa at gmail.com Sat Feb 17 17:21:49 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:21:49 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] An image for a button or T-Shirt perhaps? In-Reply-To: References: <694c06d60702151610v550a5aefw497d4c0c63ff3294@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370702151723m4ba51836s49d175937244cdbd@mail.gmail.com> <5BEF0DD9-53F8-47D9-8EA2-2E6E9D4CBC1A@uchicago.edu> <361b27370702160508y98f9082wb85c7837543558ff@mail.gmail.com> <694c06d60702161145r45350059ma69e1d403dc5a1e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370702170821g30ef5317mbbc066b131cc1987@mail.gmail.com> Okay, Brantley sent me the high-res version of his drawing. I've set up a few products on CafePress: > I'd probably be interested in a darker shirt... therefore, is there any way > you can make the background transparent? I did this, but the only annoying thing is that there doesn't appear to be a way to have both a front and a back image on dark shirts--only front images. Here's a black t-shirt with the drawing and the logo across the front: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=109268603 Here's a navy blue long-sleeve shirt with the drawing and the logo at the breast pocket (though I don't think the shirt itself actually has a pocket): http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=109267022 > Also, how about a version that reverses the back art for the front art and > vice-versa? (much less important to me as compared with the above =) I did one of these, but as I mentioned above, I could only do it to a white shirt (this one happens to be a long-sleeve): http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=109266329 The original prototype shirt layout is still available, only I've replaced the low-res images with the high-res ones: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=109000544 And just for fun I made a button too (this CafePress thing is addictive)... http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=109268370 If you want to play around with your own designs, you can get the high-res images w/ transparent backgrounds here: http://varmaa.googlepages.com/chipy_shirt_backcopy.png http://varmaa.googlepages.com/chipy_shirt_frontcopy.png http://varmaa.googlepages.com/chipy_shirt_pocketcopy.png http://varmaa.googlepages.com/chipy_shirt_pocket_white_fontcopy.png - Atul From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 23:13:06 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:13:06 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon Message-ID: <3096c19d0702211413i61e077c2x587d45de701d4394@mail.gmail.com> Hey Chicago Pycon Attendees, My cell phone number is 773 306 8955. I get in tomorrow night. See you in Dallas. Chris From tcp at uchicago.edu Thu Feb 22 01:26:54 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:26:54 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702211413i61e077c2x587d45de701d4394@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0702211413i61e077c2x587d45de701d4394@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F490E45-9893-4B62-BA35-B6017E9F4684@uchicago.edu> On Feb 21, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Hey Chicago Pycon Attendees, > > My cell phone number is 773 306 8955. I get in tomorrow night. > > See you in Dallas. > > Chris Carl and I are here already. Feel free say hi, if you're here. The buttons are here and they're about what I expected. Pretty cool. -ted (773.817.0768 cell) From pfein at pobox.com Fri Feb 23 01:24:27 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:24:27 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Job Opening Message-ID: <200702221824.28128.pfein@pobox.com> Please contact me directly at pfein at pobox.com if you're interested. I'll also be at Pycon, if you want to discuss. **Job Description**: Rapidly growing Internet startup seeks skilled Python oDeveloper for fun and profit. *Desired Interest/Experience*: - Text search & analysis - Distributed computing & storage - Web crawling techniques - Automated text extraction & machine learning - Building interactive web apps *Desired Technical Background*: - Python, Python, Python! - Linux or other modern UNIX - Subversion & Trac - Twisted - Basic SQL, especially SQLite - HTML/XML/JSON Candidates should be experienced, well-rounded programmers, familiar with a range of practices, including maintaining a shared code base, object-oriented design, network programming, multithreading, optimization, and unit testing. The ability to communicate effectively with coworkers while working independently with limited oversight is essential. Employees are given substantial freedom to design & implement solutions and allocate their own time. We telecommute and maintain a demanding and flexible work environment. The team is US based, but we will consider qualified global applicants. Project and part-time arrangements are possible. From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 19:31:31 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:31:31 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon: Meetup? Message-ID: <3096c19d0702231031l17fc6e82t8c6406fd6272efa3@mail.gmail.com> Passing Ted in the hall, he said something like, "we should all get together, you should make that happen." I can make this happen. Something will happen tonight. I don't know what just yet, but something. I volunteer my awesome cell phone as the point around which we can organize. Call me at 773 306 8955 with suggestions, or to find out what we're up to. Chris From pfein at pobox.com Fri Feb 23 23:31:58 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:31:58 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon: Meetup? In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702231031l17fc6e82t8c6406fd6272efa3@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0702231031l17fc6e82t8c6406fd6272efa3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200702231631.59529.pfein@pobox.com> Anyone got thoughts on time? Just trying to plan my day... Dunno about the state of their wifi, but Ian, Atul & Jono said they were interested as well... On Friday February 23 2007 12:31 pm, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Passing Ted in the hall, he said something like, "we should all get > together, you should make that happen." > > I can make this happen. > > Something will happen tonight. I don't know what just yet, but > something. I volunteer my awesome cell phone as the point around > which we can organize. Call me at 773 306 8955 with suggestions, or > to find out what we're up to. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From varmaa at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 23:53:09 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:53:09 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon: Meetup? In-Reply-To: <200702231631.59529.pfein@pobox.com> References: <3096c19d0702231031l17fc6e82t8c6406fd6272efa3@mail.gmail.com> <200702231631.59529.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <361b27370702231453h2bf26f36jad4e94d0abf7975f@mail.gmail.com> I think Chris told me to call him around 8pm. The Trac BoF mentioned something about going to a great tex-mex restaurant called "El Fenix", and there's a brochure in our PyCon bags for an Ethiopian restaurant too. I'm up for whateva'. - Atul On 2/23/07, Pete wrote: > > Anyone got thoughts on time? Just trying to plan my day... > > Dunno about the state of their wifi, but Ian, Atul & Jono said they were > interested as well... > > On Friday February 23 2007 12:31 pm, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > Passing Ted in the hall, he said something like, "we should all get > > together, you should make that happen." > > > > I can make this happen. > > > > Something will happen tonight. I don't know what just yet, but > > something. I volunteer my awesome cell phone as the point around > > which we can organize. Call me at 773 306 8955 with suggestions, or > > to find out what we're up to. > > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do we want to wait until 8 if this is going to be a dinner thing? -ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070223/140273b0/attachment.htm From shekay at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 00:16:51 2007 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:16:51 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon: Meetup? In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0702231031l17fc6e82t8c6406fd6272efa3@mail.gmail.com> <200702231631.59529.pfein@pobox.com> <361b27370702231453h2bf26f36jad4e94d0abf7975f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/23/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > On Feb 23, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Atul Varma wrote: > I think Chris told me to call him around 8pm. > > The Trac BoF mentioned something about going to a great tex-mex restaurant > called "El Fenix", and there's a brochure in our PyCon bags for an Ethiopian > restaurant too. I'm up for whateva'. > > - Atul > > El Fenix es as? as?, -- I remember being somewhat unimpressed with it last > year, but I'm totally game for going again to try it again. Do we want to > wait until 8 if this is going to be a dinner thing? I don't care if we go to dinner anywhere -- I wasn't planning on being able to find any good meals here. Maybe we could hang out in the hotel and play games or something. -- sheila From shekay at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 00:17:34 2007 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:17:34 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon: Meetup? In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0702231031l17fc6e82t8c6406fd6272efa3@mail.gmail.com> <200702231631.59529.pfein@pobox.com> <361b27370702231453h2bf26f36jad4e94d0abf7975f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: though I certainly love good food. it's just that everything in walking distance looks like a chain restaurant and will have mediocre food. On 2/23/07, sheila miguez wrote: > On 2/23/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 23, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Atul Varma wrote: > > I think Chris told me to call him around 8pm. > > > > The Trac BoF mentioned something about going to a great tex-mex restaurant > > called "El Fenix", and there's a brochure in our PyCon bags for an Ethiopian > > restaurant too. I'm up for whateva'. > > > > - Atul > > > > El Fenix es as? as?, -- I remember being somewhat unimpressed with it last > > year, but I'm totally game for going again to try it again. Do we want to > > wait until 8 if this is going to be a dinner thing? > > I don't care if we go to dinner anywhere -- I wasn't planning on being > able to find any good meals here. Maybe we could hang out in the hotel > and play games or something. > > > -- > sheila > -- sheila From asl2 at pobox.com Sat Feb 24 00:43:03 2007 From: asl2 at pobox.com (Aaron Lav) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:43:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon: Meetup? In-Reply-To: <200702231631.59529.pfein@pobox.com> References: <3096c19d0702231031l17fc6e82t8c6406fd6272efa3@mail.gmail.com> <200702231631.59529.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20070223234303.GA23665@panix.com> On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 04:31:58PM -0600, Pete wrote: > Anyone got thoughts on time? Just trying to plan my day... I'd like to be back in time for the Python in Science BOF (7:30ish?) Aaron From pfein at pobox.com Sat Feb 24 01:07:56 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:07:56 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon: Meetup? In-Reply-To: <20070223234303.GA23665@panix.com> References: <3096c19d0702231031l17fc6e82t8c6406fd6272efa3@mail.gmail.com> <200702231631.59529.pfein@pobox.com> <20070223234303.GA23665@panix.com> Message-ID: <200702231807.56154.pfein@pobox.com> Yeah, I wanted to catch the AI BoF too at 7:30. I'd probably be up for drinks or a late dinner or somesuch. I've been up since 3:30 AM and am going to pass out now. Someone just give me a call. 773-575-0694. Oh, and someone call Feihong (a lurker who identified me by button) at 847-219-6000 On Friday February 23 2007 5:43 pm, Aaron Lav wrote: > On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 04:31:58PM -0600, Pete wrote: > > Anyone got thoughts on time? Just trying to plan my day... > > I'd like to be back in time for the Python in Science BOF > (7:30ish?) > > Aaron > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 02:27:57 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:27:57 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon: Meetup? In-Reply-To: <200702231807.56154.pfein@pobox.com> References: <3096c19d0702231031l17fc6e82t8c6406fd6272efa3@mail.gmail.com> <200702231631.59529.pfein@pobox.com> <20070223234303.GA23665@panix.com> <200702231807.56154.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0702231727t5a9a6ea2gf1b2aab0ec635eb2@mail.gmail.com> I totally forgot about the BoF's. I'm planning on checking out the game programming one. If anyone wants to hang out afterwards, I'm up for it. Chris On 2/23/07, Pete wrote: > Yeah, I wanted to catch the AI BoF too at 7:30. I'd probably be up for drinks > or a late dinner or somesuch. > > I've been up since 3:30 AM and am going to pass out now. Someone just give me > a call. 773-575-0694. > > Oh, and someone call Feihong (a lurker who identified me by button) at > 847-219-6000 > > > > On Friday February 23 2007 5:43 pm, Aaron Lav wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 04:31:58PM -0600, Pete wrote: > > > Anyone got thoughts on time? Just trying to plan my day... > > > > I'd like to be back in time for the Python in Science BOF > > (7:30ish?) > > > > Aaron > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From tcp at uchicago.edu Sat Feb 24 03:26:40 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:26:40 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon attendees... Message-ID: <3430956F-67C7-48E9-BB3E-E9CAF9BF9ACF@uchicago.edu> Hey, everyone... if you can manage the early wake up, please join us for the 8 am session for planning PyCon 2008. It'd be great to have all the ChiPy folks we can attend. Thanks again for all the help and support in the bid process! -ted From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 04:12:37 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:12:37 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon attendees... In-Reply-To: <3430956F-67C7-48E9-BB3E-E9CAF9BF9ACF@uchicago.edu> References: <3430956F-67C7-48E9-BB3E-E9CAF9BF9ACF@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <3096c19d0702231912l33fff796w7bc32bd8c2a47b8b@mail.gmail.com> I'll be there... On 2/23/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > Hey, everyone... if you can manage the early wake up, please join us > for the 8 am session for planning PyCon 2008. It'd be great to have > all the ChiPy folks we can attend. > > > Thanks again for all the help and support in the bid process! > > -ted > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 04:21:01 2007 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:21:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Chicago] PyCon attendees... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <23180.34896.qm@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure, I'll be there. But where exactly are you guys meeting? - Feihong > Hey, everyone... if you can manage the early wake up, please join us > for the 8 am session for planning PyCon 2008. It'd be great to have > all the ChiPy folks we can attend. > > > Thanks again for all the help and support in the bid process! > > -ted ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From tcp at uchicago.edu Sat Feb 24 04:28:42 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:28:42 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon attendees... In-Reply-To: <23180.34896.qm@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <23180.34896.qm@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Feb 23, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Feihong Hsu wrote: > Sure, I'll be there. But where exactly are you guys meeting? > > - Feihong According to the PyCon schedule, the 2008 kickoff meeting is in the Mesquite room. -ted From varmaa at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 15:06:34 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:06:34 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon: Meetup? In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0702231031l17fc6e82t8c6406fd6272efa3@mail.gmail.com> <200702231631.59529.pfein@pobox.com> <361b27370702231453h2bf26f36jad4e94d0abf7975f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370702240606p1b6a54c5nd6c3b0a3261aef01@mail.gmail.com> On 2/23/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > On Feb 23, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Atul Varma wrote: > > I think Chris told me to call him around 8pm. > > The Trac BoF mentioned something about going to a great tex-mex restaurant > called "El Fenix", and there's a brochure in our PyCon bags for an Ethiopian > restaurant too. I'm up for whateva'. > > - Atul > > > El Fenix es as? as?, -- I remember being somewhat unimpressed with it > last year, but I'm totally game for going again to try it again. Do we > want to wait until 8 if this is going to be a dinner thing? > Yeah, El Fenix was sorta "meh". They didn't even have Horchata, and my food was kinda bland. :( - Atul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070224/f374c7b6/attachment.htm From varmaa at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 18:03:14 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:03:14 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon attendees... In-Reply-To: References: <23180.34896.qm@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <361b27370702240903j7ba3b072v7f4153e1f0ca64c0@mail.gmail.com> Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who attended this, and especially to Ted, Sheila, and Carl for all the work they put into our bid. Our only competitor, the SF/Bay Area group, didn't even show up, and in contrast to the many people there wearing Chipy pins (I think Carl wore two), I think we made an impact. - Atul On 2/23/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > On Feb 23, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Feihong Hsu wrote: > > > Sure, I'll be there. But where exactly are you guys meeting? > > > > - Feihong > > > > According to the PyCon schedule, the 2008 kickoff meeting is in the > Mesquite room. > > -ted > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070224/b5fb1ee3/attachment.htm From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 01:40:48 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:40:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! Message-ID: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> They made the announcement an hour ago. Great work Ted and Carl! Big round of applause. Chris From s-githens at northwestern.edu Mon Feb 26 01:50:45 2007 From: s-githens at northwestern.edu (Steven Githens) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:50:45 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E22EE5.8020402@northwestern.edu> Awesome! Much clapping back here, where it was raining, and is now snowing, and generally very slushy. Chris McAvoy wrote: > They made the announcement an hour ago. Great work Ted and Carl! > > Big round of applause. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From ken at stox.org Mon Feb 26 01:54:01 2007 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:54:01 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1172451241.7164.10.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 18:40 -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote: > They made the announcement an hour ago. Great work Ted and Carl! > > Big round of applause. Congratulations to all who put in so much effort to make this happen! From varmaa at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 01:57:43 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:57:43 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! In-Reply-To: <1172451241.7164.10.camel@stox.dyndns.org> References: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> <1172451241.7164.10.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <361b27370702251657y26afd6d6hc7ab6bf66d49c48b@mail.gmail.com> Awesome!!! Thanks Ted, Carl, Sheila, and everyone else who contributed! On 2/25/07, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 18:40 -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > They made the announcement an hour ago. Great work Ted and Carl! > > > > Big round of applause. > > Congratulations to all who put in so much effort to make this happen! > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070225/b0f1367c/attachment.html From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Mon Feb 26 02:03:30 2007 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:03:30 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! References: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781907@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Congratulations...Hope I can be of assistance. Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ ________________________________ From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Chris McAvoy Sent: Sun 2/25/2007 6:40 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! They made the announcement an hour ago. Great work Ted and Carl! Big round of applause. Chris _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4003 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070225/569955be/attachment.bin From fitz at red-bean.com Mon Feb 26 05:49:57 2007 From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:49:57 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/25/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > They made the announcement an hour ago. Great work Ted and Carl! > > Big round of applause. Indeed. Congrats! -Fitz From rcriii at ramsdells.net Mon Feb 26 17:15:48 2007 From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (rcriii at ramsdells.net) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:15:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48214.12.20.83.70.1172506548.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> > On 2/25/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: >> They made the announcement an hour ago. Great work Ted and Carl! >> Congrats guys. Very exciting. I'll finally be able to make one. Robert From deadwisdom at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 20:00:09 2007 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:00:09 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! In-Reply-To: <48214.12.20.83.70.1172506548.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> References: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> <48214.12.20.83.70.1172506548.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> Message-ID: <694c06d60702261100w6798cd28v97eb66e56fd6c983@mail.gmail.com> Seriously great news, good work! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070226/97296922/attachment.html From tcp at uchicago.edu Sat Feb 24 18:08:58 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:08:58 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon attendees... In-Reply-To: <361b27370702240903j7ba3b072v7f4153e1f0ca64c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <23180.34896.qm@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <361b27370702240903j7ba3b072v7f4153e1f0ca64c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <25209070-3659-4289-94F6-DE97F41167CC@uchicago.edu> On Feb 24, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Atul Varma wrote: > Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who attended this, and > especially to Ted, Sheila, and Carl for all the work they put into > our bid. Our only competitor, the SF/Bay Area group, didn't even > show up, and in contrast to the many people there wearing Chipy > pins (I think Carl wore two), I think we made an impact. > > - Atul Indeed -- thanks to EVERYONE who showed up today! You all ROCK! It really made the point well when the show of hands revealed that half the room was ChiPy people. Well done. -ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 22:40:25 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:40:25 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] check out that stylish button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3096c19d0702261340s1836cca3la438adcf56b3596f@mail.gmail.com> On 2/26/07, sheila miguez wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheila/sets/72157594557879802/ > > (wish I was a better photographer) :) Who cares! Those are awesome pictures! Great work Sheila! Chris From carl at personnelware.com Tue Feb 27 00:40:47 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:40:47 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> <48214.12.20.83.70.1172506548.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> <694c06d60702261100w6798cd28v97eb66e56fd6c983@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E36FFF.8000606@personnelware.com> DeanG wrote: > Thank You! > > What's the attendance count target? I hear 07 was 40% higher than 06, so... >>> 593*1.44 853.91999999999996 personally, I would not be shocked it it hit 1000. I certainly wouldn't want the cap lower. btw - is there an official python.org type page that announced it? Carl K From tcp at uchicago.edu Tue Feb 27 00:43:49 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:43:49 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! In-Reply-To: <45E36FFF.8000606@personnelware.com> References: <3096c19d0702251640w3b31621chbf6f481fdc86fd5f@mail.gmail.com> <48214.12.20.83.70.1172506548.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> <694c06d60702261100w6798cd28v97eb66e56fd6c983@mail.gmail.com> <45E36FFF.8000606@personnelware.com> Message-ID: On Feb 26, 2007, at 5:40 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > DeanG wrote: >> Thank You! >> >> What's the attendance count target? > > I hear 07 was 40% higher than 06, so... > >>>> 593*1.44 > 853.91999999999996 > > personally, I would not be shocked it it hit 1000. I certainly > wouldn't want > the cap lower. I'll be surprised if it breaks 800... but I like surprises. > > btw - is there an official python.org type page that announced it? > Not that I know of and that's probably wise until we get contracts signed. -ted From shekay at pobox.com Tue Feb 27 17:03:10 2007 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:03:10 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting Message-ID: The next meeting is on 3/8 unless anyone objects. Ideas for topics: Suggest ideas! How many people weren't at the conference and do those of you want to hear about the conference from people who attended? I am curious to know what happened during the sprints (and is still happening) since I didn't stay for them. Who hasn't seen an OLPC laptop? Ian has a development laptop. I am still bugging Chris to take his console to the next meeting. I would like to know how I can help for PyCon 2009 so if we can have someone talk to us about that, yay. Look at Ted! http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheila/404683777/in/photostream/ I have more pictures, but a lot were blurry due to me not setting the camera to the shaky hand setting. One of my favorite lightening talks was given by these guys from Colorado who work on cognitive assistive software for people with developmental disabilities. Holy cow! I think about stuff like that all the time and would like to help make stuff like that. http://del.icio.us/shekay/cognitive+prosthetics for example. Once I kick the ass of my job to give me more time outside of work maybe some of you would like to brainstorm on ideas for this? morning coffee babble, -- sheila From varmaa at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 17:23:30 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:23:30 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <361b27370702270823p418236e0q5de3e3ee26ad913e@mail.gmail.com> At dinner on Saturday, Fei-han (I believe that was his name--not sure if I'm spelling it right) mentioned that he would be interested in giving a presentation on unicode in Python. In it he would explain Unicode as though he were talking to a child, where Chris is the child. At last year's post-pycon meeting, there was some demand for someone to go over Guido's slides from his keynote. I'm willing to do that if people are interested. I'm also interested in knowing how I can help with Pycon 2008. One of the things we discussed at Pycon was the idea of having a "Chicago day" that encouraged people to go away from the conference venue and travel to the loop or Wicker Park or somewhere and see what Chicago is "really about". - Atul On 2/27/07, sheila miguez wrote: > > The next meeting is on 3/8 unless anyone objects. > > Ideas for topics: > > Suggest ideas! > > How many people weren't at the conference and do those of you want to > hear about the conference from people who attended? > > I am curious to know what happened during the sprints (and is still > happening) since I didn't stay for them. > > Who hasn't seen an OLPC laptop? Ian has a development laptop. > > I am still bugging Chris to take his console to the next meeting. > > I would like to know how I can help for PyCon 2009 so if we can have > someone talk to us about that, yay. > > Look at Ted! http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheila/404683777/in/photostream/ > > I have more pictures, but a lot were blurry due to me not setting the > camera to the shaky hand setting. > > One of my favorite lightening talks was given by these guys from > Colorado who work on cognitive assistive software for people with > developmental disabilities. Holy cow! I think about stuff like that > all the time and would like to help make stuff like that. > > http://del.icio.us/shekay/cognitive+prosthetics for example. Once I > kick the ass of my job to give me more time outside of work maybe some > of you would like to brainstorm on ideas for this? > > morning coffee babble, > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070227/0461d7a5/attachment.htm From shekay at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 17:36:30 2007 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:36:30 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: <361b27370702270823p418236e0q5de3e3ee26ad913e@mail.gmail.com> References: <361b27370702270823p418236e0q5de3e3ee26ad913e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/27/07, Atul Varma wrote: > At dinner on Saturday, Fei-han (I believe that was his name--not sure if I'm > spelling it right) mentioned that he would be interested in giving a > presentation on unicode in Python. In it he would explain Unicode as though > he were talking to a child, where Chris is the child. That's a good idea--and I'd like to see someone go through bit-banging when taking strings of "hex digits" and doing calculations on them and/or passing them through a serial port over to a hardware test fixture as though they were actually hex digits, because I had to do that in other languages and it seemed to work okay even though I was duck typing from a string to, I guess, array bytes? We were worried that when we upgraded to this unspeakable language's version where it switched to unicode representations of strings that it would screw things up but it didn't. yay. which reminds me, maybe we could take a cue-cat scanner and play with it. Carl has a few. They are not the USB kind though, and all of the (2) laptops I have access to do not have serial ports. > At last year's post-pycon meeting, there was some demand for someone to go > over Guido's slides from his keynote. I'm willing to do that if people are > interested. > > I'm also interested in knowing how I can help with Pycon 2008. One of the > things we discussed at Pycon was the idea of having a "Chicago day" that > encouraged people to go away from the conference venue and travel to the > loop or Wicker Park or somewhere and see what Chicago is "really about". I'd really like to do this too, but I'm not sure how easy it would be to organize an event for 600 people. So, I have been thinking about different things--don't organize just provide enough time and enough guidance (in person or in writing). Chris's(?) idea: offer volunteer guides to accompany people But, believe me, when we put together conference wiki pages, I'll populate information on Chicago. I am obsessive about wiki pages and eating out/walking around etc. Btw, The Chicago Architecture Foundation gives classes on being a guide on their walking tours, which I've thought would be really neat to do when I first heard about it, but it is a few weeks, iirc. I don't know if I have time to do that. It might easier for someone with a student schedule to pull off. Anyway, the prices for the guided tours aren't heinous, and I wonder if we could wrangle a group discount to offer to people? more morning fueled coffee babbling, -- sheila From kapteynr at cboe.com Tue Feb 27 18:13:43 2007 From: kapteynr at cboe.com (Kapteyn, Rob) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:13:43 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! Message-ID: I'd expect an exponential growth curve. But a graph from the data I found on the web does look linear: >>> for y,n in ( (2003,250),(2004,340),(2005,430),(2006,410),(2007,593) ): ... print y, ': ', '*'*(n/10) ... 2003 : ************************* 2004 : ********************************** 2005 : ******************************************* 2006 : ***************************************** 2007 : *********************************************************** >>> If we assume that 2006 and 2007 were suppressed by 30% because the location, and adjust what attendence would wave been at a popular location, we get a nice curve: >>> for y,n in ( (2003,250),(2004,340),(2005,430),(2006,410*1.3),(2007,593*1.3) ): ... print y, ': ', '*'*int(n/10) ... 2003 : ************************* 2004 : ********************************** 2005 : ******************************************* 2006 : ***************************************************** 2007 : ***************************************************************************** >>> p ='*************************************************************************************************************' p is my projection of this curve for 2008 (assuming that Chicago is a more popular location) >>> len(p)*10 1090 >>> -Rob -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Ted Pollari Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 5:44 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! On Feb 26, 2007, at 5:40 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > DeanG wrote: >> Thank You! >> >> What's the attendance count target? > > I hear 07 was 40% higher than 06, so... > >>>> 593*1.44 > 853.91999999999996 > > personally, I would not be shocked it it hit 1000. I certainly > wouldn't want > the cap lower. I'll be surprised if it breaks 800... but I like surprises. > > btw - is there an official python.org type page that announced it? > Not that I know of and that's probably wise until we get contracts signed. -ted _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From ianb at colorstudy.com Tue Feb 27 18:20:40 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:20:40 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: References: <361b27370702270823p418236e0q5de3e3ee26ad913e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E46868.7030600@colorstudy.com> sheila miguez wrote: > On 2/27/07, Atul Varma wrote: >> At dinner on Saturday, Fei-han (I believe that was his name--not sure if I'm >> spelling it right) mentioned that he would be interested in giving a >> presentation on unicode in Python. In it he would explain Unicode as though >> he were talking to a child, where Chris is the child. > > That's a good idea--and I'd like to see someone go through bit-banging > when taking strings of "hex digits" and doing calculations on them > and/or passing them through a serial port over to a hardware test > fixture as though they were actually hex digits, because I had to do > that in other languages and it seemed to work okay even though I was > duck typing from a string to, I guess, array bytes? We were worried > that when we upgraded to this unspeakable language's version where it > switched to unicode representations of strings that it would screw > things up but it didn't. yay. Would that be like: def hex2bytes(input, output): for i in range(0, len(input), 2): output.write(chr(int(input[i:i+2], 16))) Well, that's like current Python. In Python 3k I believe you would simply do output.write(int(input[i:i+2], 16)), since byte streams just contain integers. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From fitz at red-bean.com Tue Feb 27 18:51:03 2007 From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:51:03 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/27/07, sheila miguez wrote: > The next meeting is on 3/8 unless anyone objects. Do we need a meeting place? I'll *actually* be in town, so I can probably host at Google if that works for people. -Fitz From carl at personnelware.com Tue Feb 27 19:02:48 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:02:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com> Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > On 2/27/07, sheila miguez wrote: >> The next meeting is on 3/8 unless anyone objects. > > Do we need a meeting place? I'll *actually* be in town, so I can > probably host at Google if that works for people. Works for me. I have been playing with running OLPC in a VM. Which means it can also be run on a real M. I would be willing to do a 20 min Howto demo in hopes that a low entry point will cause others will be sucked into the project. But it is the kind of talk that should really follow someone showing off the real deal and what it is all about. (hint hint) Carl K From varmaa at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 19:21:26 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:21:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: <45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com> References: <45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <361b27370702271021m1cd79b08o48501d948921e5d2@mail.gmail.com> On 2/27/07, Carl Karsten wrote: > > I have been playing with running OLPC in a VM. Which means it can also be > run > on a real M. I would be willing to do a 20 min Howto demo in hopes that a > low > entry point will cause others will be sucked into the project. But it is > the > kind of talk that should really follow someone showing off the real deal > and > what it is all about. (hint hint) Thanks, Carl, that would be awesome. Is there interest in having a sprint for this? I was talking it over with Chris and Ian and they were interested, and I think some others are too... It could be a cool way to connect with other local area non-Python SIGs, too. - Atul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070227/0ba99092/attachment-0001.htm From shekay at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 19:24:31 2007 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:24:31 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/27/07, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > On 2/27/07, sheila miguez wrote: > > The next meeting is on 3/8 unless anyone objects. > > Do we need a meeting place? I'll *actually* be in town, so I can > probably host at Google if that works for people. I don't object. Do you need a list of people to pass to security or have they had no gunmen in their building? I think people are gunshy over in the Citibank building. -- sheila From shekay at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 19:28:15 2007 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:28:15 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] loom simulator Message-ID: I was discussing this with Carl a while back http://wiki.ftupet.org/WhorlSpin and he made his usual I am learning a language so I will rewrite this for Mom program. and I wanted to make it pretty and change teh model and stuff. for making it pretty (curses and/or widgets) I am not sure how I am going to draw on the screen. I've been reading through wxPython. I haven't kept up with my notes on the page though. and I got interrupted by constantly working and haven't done much. One of the people who gave a talk at PyCon actually weaves, neat. I asked her if she had done any sort of program, nope. I'm also pondering what type of object model to make for it--okay, I have a really bad habit of overthinking, but whatever. -- sheila From fitz at red-bean.com Tue Feb 27 19:43:03 2007 From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:43:03 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/27/07, sheila miguez wrote: > On 2/27/07, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On 2/27/07, sheila miguez wrote: > > > The next meeting is on 3/8 unless anyone objects. > > > > Do we need a meeting place? I'll *actually* be in town, so I can > > probably host at Google if that works for people. > > I don't object. > > Do you need a list of people to pass to security or have they had no > gunmen in their building? I think people are gunshy over in the > Citibank building. I dunno if there are gunmen or not, but I'm trying to avoid having people send me their names in advance. Also, I'll make it clear that people do *not* have to sign the NDA at the guest kiosk. -Fitz From varmaa at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 19:45:14 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:45:14 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] loom simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <361b27370702271045q6027ccevbe855e475f096c3f@mail.gmail.com> Have you considered pygame? It's simple and fun: http://www.pygame.org There was also a simple vector graphics library that Vern Ceder used for his "Good-bye Hello World: Rethinking Teaching with Python" talk at PyCon, but I forget what it was called--I think it was line-something. - Atul On 2/27/07, sheila miguez wrote: > > I was discussing this with Carl a while back > > http://wiki.ftupet.org/WhorlSpin > > and he made his usual I am learning a language so I will rewrite this > for Mom program. > > and I wanted to make it pretty and change teh model and stuff. > > for making it pretty (curses and/or widgets) I am not sure how I am > going to draw on the screen. I've been reading through wxPython. > > I haven't kept up with my notes on the page though. > > and I got interrupted by constantly working and haven't done much. > > One of the people who gave a talk at PyCon actually weaves, neat. I > asked her if she had done any sort of program, nope. > > I'm also pondering what type of object model to make for it--okay, I > have a really bad habit of overthinking, but whatever. > > > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070227/8cf7915a/attachment.htm From ianb at colorstudy.com Tue Feb 27 20:24:30 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:24:30 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: <361b27370702271021m1cd79b08o48501d948921e5d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com> <361b27370702271021m1cd79b08o48501d948921e5d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E4856E.6030701@colorstudy.com> Atul Varma wrote: > On 2/27/07, *Carl Karsten* > wrote: > > I have been playing with running OLPC in a VM. Which means it can > also be run > on a real M. I would be willing to do a 20 min Howto demo in hopes > that a low > entry point will cause others will be sucked into the project. But > it is the > kind of talk that should really follow someone showing off the real > deal and > what it is all about. (hint hint) > > > Thanks, Carl, that would be awesome. Is there interest in having a > sprint for this? I was talking it over with Chris and Ian and they were > interested, and I think some others are too... It could be a cool way to > connect with other local area non-Python SIGs, too. Yes, I'll be in town on the 8th, so the laptop will be there. Right now we're trying to improve the how-do-I-develop-for-OLPC story, and hopefully we'll have this figured out by the end of the PyCon sprint. Then some weekend we could do a sprint -- start out with installation, do an hour or two of tutorial (make sure everyone gets a Hello World activity running), then split up and do whatever people think is cool. I imagine we'd get some people who haven't really used Python, but that should be okay -- or at least, the goal I'd have for a sprint is really getting people started more than specific output during the sprint. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From racter at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 20:54:12 2007 From: racter at gmail.com (jake elliott) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:54:12 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] chicago hackmeeting 003 Message-ID: dearest chipizens, reaching out for interest in developing the third chicago hackmeeting - a collaboratively wiki-programmed conference slated for march 16,17,18 @ daisychain in pilsen (former flowershop full of computers where chipy met a few months back). here's the wiki we(|you)'re using to organize the weekend: http://hackmeetingwiki.dai5ychain.net/Hackmeeting003 would love to have you there as participants in and contributors to chicago's vibrant hacker culture! feedback from the prior 02 hackmeetings has been that folx would really benefit from more beginners technical sessions - ie "intro to (python) programming" etc. open meeting this sunday at 4pm @ the flowershop to conspire in person 2159 w 21st place BRING : thoughts+ideas+plans+your_bad_self+your_best_friends MAP : http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2159+w+21st+place+chicago+il or just chime in on the wiki :). rock, jake From tcp at uchicago.edu Tue Feb 27 20:59:49 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:59:49 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: <45E4856E.6030701@colorstudy.com> References: <45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com> <361b27370702271021m1cd79b08o48501d948921e5d2@mail.gmail.com> <45E4856E.6030701@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <07F3363F-E018-446E-BED8-ABB3F4478A60@uchicago.edu> On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > Yes, I'll be in town on the 8th, so the laptop will be there. > Right now > we're trying to improve the how-do-I-develop-for-OLPC story, and > hopefully we'll have this figured out by the end of the PyCon sprint. > Then some weekend we could do a sprint -- start out with installation, > do an hour or two of tutorial (make sure everyone gets a Hello World > activity running), then split up and do whatever people think is cool. > I imagine we'd get some people who haven't really used Python, but > that > should be okay -- or at least, the goal I'd have for a sprint is > really > getting people started more than specific output during the sprint. YES PLEASE! =) that'd be sweet. I could probably talk my way into space here @ the UofC if we needed space for such a sprint (if people could handle getting to and from Hyde Park.) -ted From racter at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 21:28:13 2007 From: racter at gmail.com (jake elliott) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:28:13 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: <07F3363F-E018-446E-BED8-ABB3F4478A60@uchicago.edu> References: <45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com> <361b27370702271021m1cd79b08o48501d948921e5d2@mail.gmail.com> <45E4856E.6030701@colorstudy.com> <07F3363F-E018-446E-BED8-ABB3F4478A60@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: > On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > > Then some weekend we could do a sprint -- start out with installation, > > do an hour or two of tutorial (make sure everyone gets a Hello World > > activity running), then split up and do whatever people think is cool. On 2/27/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > YES PLEASE! =) > > that'd be sweet. I could probably talk my way into space here @ the > UofC if we needed space for such a sprint (if people could handle > getting to and from Hyde Park.) that sounds totally great to me also ian, and i would be happy to host here @ daisychain. best jake From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Tue Feb 27 00:08:24 2007 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:08:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008! Chicago! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <785762.6811.qm@web34812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Huzzah! Congratulations to all involved! Honestly, San Francisco's bid didn't stand a chance against all the work that was put into the Chicago bid. This is the best possible way to cap off my very first PyCon! - Feihong Chris McAvoy wrote: > They made the announcement an hour ago. Great work Ted and Carl! > > Big round of applause. > > Chris ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! 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Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From cbc at unc.edu Tue Feb 27 21:55:09 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:55:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Three days left for Zope3 boot camp registration Message-ID: <45E49AAD.1010101@unc.edu> Registration ends Friday: http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/camp5 -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From tim.saylor at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 23:46:18 2007 From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:46:18 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 18, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9fb45b0b0702271446h47fb8a1pbd3d8385ab62201d@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "jake elliott" To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:28:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [Chicago] next meeting > On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > > Then some weekend we could do a sprint -- start out with installation, > > do an hour or two of tutorial (make sure everyone gets a Hello World > > activity running), then split up and do whatever people think is cool. On 2/27/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > YES PLEASE! =) > > that'd be sweet. I could probably talk my way into space here @ the > UofC if we needed space for such a sprint (if people could handle > getting to and from Hyde Park.) Yeah, that'd be really cool, I'd be there. From tcp at uchicago.edu Tue Feb 27 23:53:02 2007 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:53:02 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2008... Networking Guru? Message-ID: <4424851C-4255-422A-A930-A73435B3F870@uchicago.edu> Hey there -- Does anyone within ChiPy's reach have any solid experience with networking and dealing with ISP's -- particularly ISPs in the Chicago area? If not, can you put us in touch with anyone who has? We're looking to set the basic requirements for the networking for pycon 2008 and we'd really like to have a local expert in this field as we begin to deal with the hotel on this issue, before contracts are signed. -ted From tcp at mac.com Wed Feb 28 00:56:15 2007 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:56:15 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B53F622-5429-4B2B-8218-1EDA61156193@mac.com> On Feb 27, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > On 2/27/07, sheila miguez wrote: >> The next meeting is on 3/8 unless anyone objects. > > Do we need a meeting place? I'll *actually* be in town, so I can > probably host at Google if that works for people. > > -Fitz This sounds like an excellent plan to me. Seeing as we've had a bunch of people say yes to this, let's consider it done? 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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Wed Feb 28 05:11:26 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:11:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: <2B53F622-5429-4B2B-8218-1EDA61156193@mac.com> References: <2B53F622-5429-4B2B-8218-1EDA61156193@mac.com> Message-ID: fehlong, interested? I wouldn't mind hearing a bit more about unicode. The talk at pycon was interesting for other reasons (psiphon is really cool!) but it barely scratched the surface at dealing with unicode problems. -Kumar From tcp at mac.com Wed Feb 28 05:13:09 2007 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:13:09 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: References: <2B53F622-5429-4B2B-8218-1EDA61156193@mac.com> Message-ID: <99A436BB-F038-42EC-BC36-17C234783A12@mac.com> On Feb 27, 2007, at 10:11 PM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > fehlong, interested? I wouldn't mind hearing a bit more about > unicode. The talk at pycon was interesting for other reasons (psiphon > is really cool!) but it barely scratched the surface at dealing with > unicode problems. > -Kumar +1 -ted From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Wed Feb 28 05:25:54 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:25:54 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] loom simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven't dabbled much in desktop apps but I sat in on the Dabo talk on a whim. Wow! it makes wxPython wayyy simpler. I know there's a ton of things that also try and simplify wxPython but Dabo looks super cool. Ed Leafe even had the balls to demo the last thing he had checked in, and it worked :) I'm not sure if that was the report grid builder, the image drag and drop or some other widget in a interface builder. What a champ. http://dabodev.com/ On 2/27/07, sheila miguez wrote: > I was discussing this with Carl a while back > > http://wiki.ftupet.org/WhorlSpin > > and he made his usual I am learning a language so I will rewrite this > for Mom program. > > and I wanted to make it pretty and change teh model and stuff. > > for making it pretty (curses and/or widgets) I am not sure how I am > going to draw on the screen. I've been reading through wxPython. > > I haven't kept up with my notes on the page though. > > and I got interrupted by constantly working and haven't done much. > > One of the people who gave a talk at PyCon actually weaves, neat. I > asked her if she had done any sort of program, nope. > > I'm also pondering what type of object model to make for it--okay, I > have a really bad habit of overthinking, but whatever. > > > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From fitz at red-bean.com Wed Feb 28 05:51:10 2007 From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:51:10 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: <2B53F622-5429-4B2B-8218-1EDA61156193@mac.com> References: <2B53F622-5429-4B2B-8218-1EDA61156193@mac.com> Message-ID: On 2/27/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > On Feb 27, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On 2/27/07, sheila miguez wrote: > >> The next meeting is on 3/8 unless anyone objects. > > > > Do we need a meeting place? I'll *actually* be in town, so I can > > probably host at Google if that works for people. > > > > -Fitz > > > This sounds like an excellent plan to me. Seeing as we've had a > bunch of people say yes to this, let's consider it done? I've set the ball rolling on my end. > (I mean, who's going to say no to google?) Rule #1: Take goodwill for granted and it won't last for long. I just want to make sure that someone wasn't already planning on hosting. :-) -Fitz From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 16:31:01 2007 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:31:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <859670.948.qm@web34811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alright, I'll bite :) I assume Psiphon is the software they demonstrated at the "Studying Internet Censorship" talk. I don't know much about Psiphon because I missed their talk but I just checked out the Citizen Lab page and their main logo/graphic shows the Chinese word for hacker - "heike", which can be translated as "shadow guest". Anyway, I think I can come up with a 20-minute talk on Unicode. I have the slides mostly written up, I just need to organize them. If there are any particular questions about Unicode that anyone wants addressed, there's plenty of time for me to include it in the talk. - Feihong On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, at 10:13 PM, Ted Pollari wrote: > > fehlong, interested? I wouldn't mind hearing a bit more about > > unicode. The talk at pycon was interesting for other reasons > (psiphon > > is really cool!) but it barely scratched the surface at dealing > with > > unicode problems. > > -Kumar > > +1 > > -ted ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From shekay at gmail.com Wed Feb 28 16:36:23 2007 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:36:23 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] loom simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/27/07, Kumar McMillan wrote: > I haven't dabbled much in desktop apps but I sat in on the Dabo talk > on a whim. Wow! it makes wxPython wayyy simpler. I know there's a > ton of things that also try and simplify wxPython but Dabo looks super > cool. Ed Leafe even had the balls to demo the last thing he had > checked in, and it worked :) I'm not sure if that was the report grid > builder, the image drag and drop or some other widget in a interface > builder. What a champ. > > http://dabodev.com/ heh, I am 438 threads behind in the dev and user dabo mailing list. I have a page there. http://dabodev.com/wiki/SheilaMiguez I don't think I'll use it to do a little loomsim program, but I was thinking about playing around with it to do something with a database for myself. I think cocoalicious is a neat little app for the mac, but there are things about it I'd like to see improved, and while I'm at it learn stuff so I was thinking of playing around with objective c for one and then also trying out dabo or vanilla wxPython for another... re dabo in general, I'm not used to using a gui thingee to build gui's so using wizards to do things then editing the results got under my skin. So then I started playing around without wizards -- better, but I kept wondering what I got from that beyond merely using wxPython. after I experimented with both I figured I would have a better feel for what the added value might be. anyway, I tend to get interested in a gazillion different things and have all these plans then they get squashed by life and work so I haven't followed through on all this yet. old rambling notes-to-self I dumped here http://wiki.ftupet.org/OsxDaboPlay?highlight=%28dabo%29 -- sheila From shekay at gmail.com Wed Feb 28 16:37:22 2007 From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:37:22 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] loom simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/28/07, sheila miguez wrote: > gui's NOOOooooo! I am not a green grocer. -- sheila From pfein at pobox.com Wed Feb 28 16:47:04 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:47:04 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200702280947.05184.pfein@pobox.com> I may have a snazzy new open source project I could present. Should be up on google today. Pycon, Pycon, Pycon! On Tuesday February 27 2007 10:03 am, sheila miguez wrote: > The next meeting is on 3/8 unless anyone objects. > > Ideas for topics: > > Suggest ideas! > > How many people weren't at the conference and do those of you want to > hear about the conference from people who attended? > > I am curious to know what happened during the sprints (and is still > happening) since I didn't stay for them. > > Who hasn't seen an OLPC laptop? Ian has a development laptop. > > I am still bugging Chris to take his console to the next meeting. > > I would like to know how I can help for PyCon 2009 so if we can have > someone talk to us about that, yay. > > Look at Ted! http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheila/404683777/in/photostream/ > > I have more pictures, but a lot were blurry due to me not setting the > camera to the shaky hand setting. > > One of my favorite lightening talks was given by these guys from > Colorado who work on cognitive assistive software for people with > developmental disabilities. Holy cow! I think about stuff like that > all the time and would like to help make stuff like that. > > http://del.icio.us/shekay/cognitive+prosthetics for example. Once I > kick the ass of my job to give me more time outside of work maybe some > of you would like to brainstorm on ideas for this? > > morning coffee babble, From carl at personnelware.com Wed Feb 28 17:35:26 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:35:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] next meeting In-Reply-To: <45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com> References: <45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <45E5AF4E.7050308@personnelware.com> Carl Karsten wrote: > Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: >> On 2/27/07, sheila miguez wrote: >>> The next meeting is on 3/8 unless anyone objects. >> Do we need a meeting place? I'll *actually* be in town, so I can >> probably host at Google if that works for people. > > Works for me. > > I have been playing with running OLPC in a VM. Which means it can also be run > on a real M. I would be willing to do a 20 min Howto demo in hopes that a low > entry point will cause others will be sucked into the project. But it is the > kind of talk that should really follow someone showing off the real deal and > what it is all about. (hint hint) Ok, so my playing around has led me to think next week is a bit too soon for me to give any OLPC on emulator talk. I will have it running on my laptop, but the setup is kinda rocky. (you need to know what build, and where to look for when that will change, and what problems are something you need to fix vs they need to fix, etc.) So maybe next month. Carl K