From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 18:35:50 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:35:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Org Duties Message-ID: <3096c19d0706010935g28b81bbenbf9322c3e440e7d@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, As McAvoy-baby is coming at the end of the summer, I'm going to have to step down as the unofficial meeting organizer for a while. I've talked to a few folks about this off-list, but wanted to open it up a bit so other people could get involved if they'd like to. I added a really sloppy sign up sheet to the publicity page on the Wiki: http://chipy.org/publicity To organize the meeting, you need to do the following: 1) Get people to speak 2) Get a place to meet 3) Send out a meeting notice to local groups That's it. If anyone has been wanting to jump into the exciting world of Chicago Python Meeting Planning, now's your chance. This will be good practice for Pycon 08, coming to a Chicago near you. Chris From ken at stox.org Fri Jun 1 21:05:08 2007 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:05:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Org Duties In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706010935g28b81bbenbf9322c3e440e7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706010935g28b81bbenbf9322c3e440e7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1180724708.6725.5.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 11:35 -0500, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Hi All, > > As McAvoy-baby is coming at the end of the summer Congratulations on your, soon to become, sleep deprivation! From varmaa at gmail.com Sun Jun 3 18:19:56 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:19:56 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Python is so good to me In-Reply-To: <9fb45b0b0705091424g7593451g784b01a2bd8c01bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <9fb45b0b0705091424g7593451g784b01a2bd8c01bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370706030919j1d06792ct7216a1a518fad40a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/9/07, Tim Saylor wrote: > > Jon, > > I used to think the same thing, then I took a data mining class and > wrote one of those algorithms in python. That was a nightmare. > Python is great, just remember to use C when it's warranted. (And do > most of that work through SWIG anyway ;) ) Great to hear that you found Python helpful, Jon. Feel free to ask any questions on this list, or on the Python Tutor list: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor As for C--this is a little off-topic, but there's lots of options as far as that goes, and I think a pretty lengthy article could be written on it (assuming one doesn't already exist). For instance, if one's only goal is to make their Python code run faster, then they may first want to try using a Just-In-Time Specializer like psyco that transparently speeds up existing Python code, or a number of existing Python C extensions like numpy. If one needs to access third-party, pre-existing C code, then they may want to look into ctypes, which comes with Python 2.5 and allows Python code to interact with shared libraries without depending on external, heavy-weight, and often platform-specific and version-sensitive tools like a C compiler/linker, a build system, and utilities like SWIG. SWIG is particularly ideal for situations where one needs to make pre-existing C++ code accessible from Python, but different circumstances call for different tools, so it's prudent to do some research and ask around a bit before committing to a particular solution. - Atul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070603/9f65f510/attachment.htm From jason at hostedlabs.com Mon Jun 4 18:12:07 2007 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:12:07 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] BARcamp Chicago 2007 June 23-24 Message-ID: <466439D7.3040803@hostedlabs.com> Hi Everyone! Wanted to update you all on BARcamp and ask for some feedback. The site (http://barcampchicago.com/) has been updated with the basic info on date and location. Its June 23-24 at 1464 n milwaukee. There are talks scheduled and some events planned but I wanted to ask you all what types of things you might want to see or hear about and to look for volunteers to run some code sprints or other projects. I also wanted to ask people to sign up on the wiki as attendees. I'm a little concerned that we may run out of space even though the venue is bigger than last years. I want to get a feeling for how much need there may be for a "spill over" venue. Looking forward to seeing you all at BARcamp and drop me a line if you have any comments, questions, ideas! -jason From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 20:51:54 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:51:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Stackless Message-ID: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, This Stackless tutorial has a blurb about "concurrency is the new thing" http://members.verizon.net/olsongt/stackless/why_stackless.html#concurrency-might-just-might-be-the-next-big-programming-paradigm which I agree with...however...if you make a bunch of microthreads in Stackless...they're not going to take advantage of multiple cores or cpu's, right? Or am I wrong about that? I thought that stackless was a way to provide faux-concurrency, sort of like Twisted, that makes it easier to conceptualize threads without necessarily giving you the performance boost of a truly threaded app. Am I off base? I have a dual core intel laptop. If I write a process intensive app that uses stackless with their threading stuff, should I see improved performance? I _could_ test it on my own...but then what's the point of the internet? This thing exists so that I _don't_ have to test...right? Chris From tcp at mac.com Tue Jun 5 20:55:12 2007 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:55:12 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Stackless In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6CF09AC1-B481-49F9-8B1B-2E72E0B37545@mac.com> On Jun 5, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Chris McAvoy wrote: > I _could_ test it on my own...but then > what's the point of the internet? This thing exists so that I _don't_ > have to test...right? oh no -- it exists so that you can tell us about the tests you ran, after you ran them! ;-) -t From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 20:59:28 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:59:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Stackless In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0706051159p1a14bf21u5ec0f32d65ad03e7@mail.gmail.com> On 6/5/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > I thought that stackless was a way to provide faux-concurrency, sort > of like Twisted, that makes it easier to conceptualize threads without > necessarily giving you the performance boost of a truly threaded app. Yes Chris McAvoy, you are right, they're called "Green Threads." You knew this, you just forgot...somehow. You're still a really smart dude. Chris From varmaa at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 21:21:39 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:21:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Stackless In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370706051221w6906b35doa0338963bee72100@mail.gmail.com> On 6/5/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > This Stackless tutorial has a blurb about "concurrency is the new > thing" http://members.verizon.net/olsongt/stackless/why_stackless.html#concurrency-might-just-might-be-the-next-big-programming-paradigm > which I agree with...however...if you make a bunch of microthreads in > Stackless...they're not going to take advantage of multiple cores or > cpu's, right? Or am I wrong about that? I believe you are correct. From what I understand, a lot of people consider the idea of a single address space being shared by two processors (or threads) as a recipe for disaster, as code readability is complicated by all the locking mechanisms and a whole new class of extremely hard-to-debug problems crop up as a result (deadlocks, starvation, race conditions, etc). This post by Guido may help shed more light on it: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2007-May/007414.html The bottom line, though, is that it appears as though Python isn't really going to improve its support for threads; rather, the assumption is that if a Python solution needs to take advantage of multiple processors, it should use multiple processes instead of multiple threads. - Atul From ianb at colorstudy.com Tue Jun 5 21:28:29 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:28:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Stackless In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706051159p1a14bf21u5ec0f32d65ad03e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706051159p1a14bf21u5ec0f32d65ad03e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4665B95D.2010101@colorstudy.com> Chris McAvoy wrote: > On 6/5/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: >> I thought that stackless was a way to provide faux-concurrency, sort >> of like Twisted, that makes it easier to conceptualize threads without >> necessarily giving you the performance boost of a truly threaded app. > > Yes Chris McAvoy, you are right, they're called "Green Threads." You > knew this, you just forgot...somehow. They also don't have protected memory across their threads, which makes Stackless less interesting IMHO (compared to, say, the Erlang model). Actually I guess these are similar issues, as the shared memory is why the GIL gets invoked so much, which kills the multicore stuff. That said, apparently people do some really fast stuff with Stackless. That EVwhatever MMORPG uses Stackless a lot, for instance. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers From ianb at colorstudy.com Tue Jun 5 21:34:45 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:34:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Stackless In-Reply-To: <361b27370706051221w6906b35doa0338963bee72100@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706051221w6906b35doa0338963bee72100@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4665BAD5.2050409@colorstudy.com> Atul Varma wrote: > On 6/5/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: >> This Stackless tutorial has a blurb about "concurrency is the new >> thing" http://members.verizon.net/olsongt/stackless/why_stackless.html#concurrency-might-just-might-be-the-next-big-programming-paradigm >> which I agree with...however...if you make a bunch of microthreads in >> Stackless...they're not going to take advantage of multiple cores or >> cpu's, right? Or am I wrong about that? > > I believe you are correct. From what I understand, a lot of people > consider the idea of a single address space being shared by two > processors (or threads) as a recipe for disaster, as code readability > is complicated by all the locking mechanisms and a whole new class of > extremely hard-to-debug problems crop up as a result (deadlocks, > starvation, race conditions, etc). > > This post by Guido may help shed more light on it: > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2007-May/007414.html > > The bottom line, though, is that it appears as though Python isn't > really going to improve its support for threads; rather, the > assumption is that if a Python solution needs to take advantage of > multiple processors, it should use multiple processes instead of > multiple threads. I really wish PyPy would implement green thread/processes, with non-shared memory. Then you'd get really light processes that acted like traditional processes. You'd need some clever copy-on-write stuff so that you didn't have a complete memory copy if two processes use the same module; otherwise the processes aren't all that light. I've suggested this a few times, and PyPy people always say that sure, that would be easy; another kind of object space, I guess. But of course "would be easy" and "exists" aren't the same thing, so the answer is never that satisfying. I'm intrigued by this module, but haven't tried it: http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/processing -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers From pfein at pobox.com Tue Jun 5 21:36:20 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:36:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Stackless In-Reply-To: <361b27370706051221w6906b35doa0338963bee72100@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706051221w6906b35doa0338963bee72100@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200706051436.20439.pfein@pobox.com> On Tuesday June 5 2007 2:21 pm, Atul Varma wrote: > On 6/5/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > This Stackless tutorial has a blurb about "concurrency is the new > > thing" > > http://members.verizon.net/olsongt/stackless/why_stackless.html#concurren > >cy-might-just-might-be-the-next-big-programming-paradigm which I agree > > with...however...if you make a bunch of microthreads in > > Stackless...they're not going to take advantage of multiple cores or > > cpu's, right? Or am I wrong about that? > > I believe you are correct. From what I understand, a lot of people Yup. Stackless doesn't get rid of the GIL - only one thread can be in Python code at a time. For GIL-less alternatives, please see your local Jython or IronPython dealer. > The bottom line, though, is that it appears as though Python isn't > really going to improve its support for threads; rather, the > assumption is that if a Python solution needs to take advantage of > multiple processors, it should use multiple processes instead of > multiple threads. Threads aren't inherently evil. Threads + shared mutable state is a bit of a recipe for disaster. Queues help: http://docs.python.org/lib/QueueObjects.html Don't leave your MainThread without one. Threads in Python are good when you have a Fast Shiny C Library that releases the GIl and you want to run it on a multi-core box. All that said, a nice protocol for inter-process (or box) message passing (*not* shared state, thank you very much SOAP/WS-*/RPC) would certainly be desirable & make writing multi-process apps easier than multi-threaded ones. -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 21:46:16 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:46:16 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Stackless In-Reply-To: <361b27370706051221w6906b35doa0338963bee72100@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706051221w6906b35doa0338963bee72100@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0706051246l513e49afx779e0cd3a178cd31@mail.gmail.com> On 6/5/07, Atul Varma wrote: > > This post by Guido may help shed more light on it: > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2007-May/007414.html > > The bottom line, though, is that it appears as though Python isn't > really going to improve its support for threads; rather, the > assumption is that if a Python solution needs to take advantage of > multiple processors, it should use multiple processes instead of > multiple threads. Which is fine, except that its kind of a pain to write a forking anything, IMHO. It's not a paradigm that I can whip out when I really need to. It would be cool if the stackless guys would apply their API chops to forking. I think their microthreads are a big improvement over the limited look I gave Python threads. If they could make forking similarly easy, it would be a neat thing. Chris From dbt at meat.net Tue Jun 5 21:45:48 2007 From: dbt at meat.net (David Terrell) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:45:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Stackless In-Reply-To: <200706051436.20439.pfein@pobox.com> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706051221w6906b35doa0338963bee72100@mail.gmail.com> <200706051436.20439.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20070605194548.GB30109@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 02:36:20PM -0500, Pete wrote: > All that said, a nice protocol for inter-process (or box) message passing > (*not* shared state, thank you very much SOAP/WS-*/RPC) would certainly be > desirable & make writing multi-process apps easier than multi-threaded ones. Yep. As it stands, I'm writing most of my new concurrent code in erlang these days, which is a shame because python's a much deeper language overall. -- David Terrell dbt at meat.net ((meatspace)) http://meat.net/ From skip at pobox.com Tue Jun 5 22:25:42 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:25:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Stackless In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706051246l513e49afx779e0cd3a178cd31@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706051221w6906b35doa0338963bee72100@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706051246l513e49afx779e0cd3a178cd31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18021.50886.905122.871488@montanaro.dyndns.org> Chris> Which is fine, except that its kind of a pain to write a forking Chris> anything, IMHO. It's not a paradigm that I can whip out when I Chris> really need to. It would be cool if the stackless guys would Chris> apply their API chops to forking. I think their microthreads are Chris> a big improvement over the limited look I gave Python threads. Chris> If they could make forking similarly easy, it would be a neat Chris> thing. Someone wrote a proof-of-concept which implemented the threading interface with processes under the covers. Check the python-dev archives. Skip From david at graniteweb.com Tue Jun 5 22:56:13 2007 From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:56:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] pyodbc timeout Message-ID: <20070605205613.GA772@wdfs.graniteweb.com> Does anyone know if it is possible to set the connection timeout value to an MSSQL Server using pyodbc? -- David Rock david at graniteweb.com From pfein at pobox.com Tue Jun 5 23:26:37 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:26:37 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Erlang Envy, was Re: Stackless In-Reply-To: <20070605194548.GB30109@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> <200706051436.20439.pfein@pobox.com> <20070605194548.GB30109@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> Message-ID: <200706051626.38076.pfein@pobox.com> On Tuesday June 5 2007 2:45 pm, David Terrell wrote: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 02:36:20PM -0500, Pete wrote: > > All that said, a nice protocol for inter-process (or box) message passing > > (*not* shared state, thank you very much SOAP/WS-*/RPC) would certainly > > be desirable & make writing multi-process apps easier than multi-threaded > > ones. > > Yep. As it stands, I'm writing most of my new concurrent code > in erlang these days, which is a shame because python's a much > deeper language overall. You might want to check out http://candygram.sourceforge.net , which implements the Erlang primitives in Python using threads.[0] They go through interesting examples: http://candygram.sourceforge.net/node6.html I'm also working on Erlang-inspired [1] message passing framework as part of my larger project, early alpha, blah blah[2]: http://grassyknoll.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/grassyknoll/plaza/ It's threads only & I'm still working out the kinks. It's based on Queue, which I mentioned before. There's no IPC yet - as Chris notes, process control is a PITA on Linux, let alone cross platform. I do have a WSGI server though, which seems to work ok.[3] As for Erlang, it looks neat, but I'm not programming cell phone towers. Give me separate address spaces & message passing (from PyPy or anywhere else), but I'm keeping my Python. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Hey, are we having a meeting this month? --Pete [0] Yes, it's threads & no, there's no per-process address space. [1] inspired, as in, "I skimmed the _Concurrent Programming in Erlang_ book while drinking." [2] http://code.google.com/p/grassyknoll/ [3] At some point, I want to implement a Queue-like API on HTTP with REST-like semantics. See http://grassyknoll.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/grassyknoll/plaza/MailBox.py -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 00:03:56 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:03:56 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Erlang Envy, was Re: Stackless In-Reply-To: <200706051626.38076.pfein@pobox.com> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> <200706051436.20439.pfein@pobox.com> <20070605194548.GB30109@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> <200706051626.38076.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: On 6/5/07, Pete wrote: > [3] At some point, I want to implement a Queue-like API on HTTP with REST-like > semantics. See > http://grassyknoll.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/grassyknoll/plaza/MailBox.py This service looks sweet: http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html/ref=sc_fe_c_1_3435361_3/103-7783872-9404628?_encoding=UTF8&node=13584001&no=3435361&me=A36L942TSJ2AJA A huge challenge in decoupled SOA environments is sending a message somewhere with a 100% guarantee that it doesn't get lost (when taking rapture into consideration, 99.999% is usually acceptable). This is a *lot* harder than it sounds. For business applications, it starts to make the cost of Amazon SQS look cheap ;) -Kumar From pfein at pobox.com Wed Jun 6 00:26:36 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:26:36 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Erlang Envy, was Re: Stackless In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> <200706051626.38076.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <200706051726.37157.pfein@pobox.com> On Tuesday June 5 2007 5:03 pm, Kumar McMillan wrote: > On 6/5/07, Pete wrote: > > [3] At some point, I want to implement a Queue-like API on HTTP with > > REST-like semantics. See > > http://grassyknoll.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/grassyknoll/plaza/MailBox.py > > This service looks sweet: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html/ref=sc_fe_c_1_3435361_3/103-7783872-94 >04628?_encoding=UTF8&node=13584001&no=3435361&me=A36L942TSJ2AJA Oh, yeah, I've been "inspired" by SQS/S3 quite a bit too. > A huge challenge in decoupled SOA environments is sending a message > somewhere with a 100% guarantee that it doesn't get lost (when taking > rapture into consideration, 99.999% is usually acceptable). This is a A good quote on reliability (2nd) http://patricklogan.blogspot.com/2007/04/systems.html > *lot* harder than it sounds. For business applications, it starts to > make the cost of Amazon SQS look cheap ;) I like & use AWS quite a lot (all those http://pfein.s3.amazonaws.com/ urls are on S3). It's fine for personal use, backup, maybe serving static content & large files (they have BitTorrent seeding support, IIRC). Speed & esp. latency is an issue though. And the AWS network bandwidth charge is expensive. -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From tim at gebhardtcomputing.com Wed Jun 6 04:14:20 2007 From: tim at gebhardtcomputing.com (Tim Gebhardt) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:14:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Erlang Envy, was Re: Stackless In-Reply-To: <200706051626.38076.pfein@pobox.com> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> <200706051436.20439.pfein@pobox.com> <20070605194548.GB30109@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> <200706051626.38076.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1ce3f61a0706051914v37e4daeala3b1a3c9c94e8f0a@mail.gmail.com> For a project of my own I started off using Candygram but then I found out that it doesn't support addressing nodes on remote machines (not sure if that's still the case). I then switched to Pyro: http://pyro.sourceforge.net/ Which is pretty mature and has a lot of neat options for serialization and stuff. -Tim Gebhardt tim at gebhardtcomputing.com On 6/5/07, Pete wrote: > You might want to check out http://candygram.sourceforge.net , which > implements the Erlang primitives in Python using threads.[0] They go > through > interesting examples: http://candygram.sourceforge.net/node6.html > > I'm also working on Erlang-inspired [1] message passing framework as part > of > my larger project, early alpha, blah blah[2]: > http://grassyknoll.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/grassyknoll/plaza/ > > It's threads only & I'm still working out the kinks. It's based on Queue, > which I mentioned before. There's no IPC yet - as Chris notes, process > control is a PITA on Linux, let alone cross platform. I do have a WSGI > server though, which seems to work ok.[3] > > As for Erlang, it looks neat, but I'm not programming cell phone > towers. Give > me separate address spaces & message passing (from PyPy or anywhere else), > but I'm keeping my Python. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. > > Hey, are we having a meeting this month? > > --Pete > > [0] Yes, it's threads & no, there's no per-process address space. > > [1] inspired, as in, "I skimmed the _Concurrent Programming in Erlang_ > book > while drinking." > > [2] http://code.google.com/p/grassyknoll/ > > [3] At some point, I want to implement a Queue-like API on HTTP with > REST-like > semantics. See > http://grassyknoll.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/grassyknoll/plaza/MailBox.py > > -- > Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com > http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B > irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070605/3afacc84/attachment.htm From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 14:43:18 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:43:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? Message-ID: <3096c19d0706060543m2776b996pdfb7ee438a9cedb1@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Anyone have any presentation ideas for next Thursday the 14th? Chris From varmaa at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 15:50:40 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:50:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706060543m2776b996pdfb7ee438a9cedb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706060543m2776b996pdfb7ee438a9cedb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370706060650o883427fm9a962140af3243fb@mail.gmail.com> A few weeks ago, I was in Sweden and happened to meet with three of the lead PyPy developers. Over the course of several hours, I was able to get a toy interpreter running in RPython, which I compiled to a 40k C executable. This probably wouldn't have been possible without their help. So if people are interested, on the 14th I'd like to give a sort of follow-up to my PyPy talk a few months ago. It'd be pretty short, maybe 20-25 minutes on the outside, and would mostly consist of a walk-through of my toy interpreter and the PyPy toolchain, a clarification of a few things I didn't understand about PyPy when I last gave my talk, and a brief report on the state of PyPy today. Also, next month I'd be really interested in giving a talk on the pickle module, geared towards newbies and veterans; it'd start with a simple overview of what pickle is and how to use it, but would then dive into how it works internally and what security considerations should be made before using it. - Atul On 6/6/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Hi All, > > Anyone have any presentation ideas for next Thursday the 14th? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 16:01:49 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:01:49 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <361b27370706060650o883427fm9a962140af3243fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706060543m2776b996pdfb7ee438a9cedb1@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706060650o883427fm9a962140af3243fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0706060701u46c3e1b5h89fb06b2cef5d624@mail.gmail.com> I'm definitely interested in the rpython talk, and think the Pickle talk fulfills our "one newbie talk per meeting" rule. I'm all for it... Chris On 6/6/07, Atul Varma wrote: > A few weeks ago, I was in Sweden and happened to meet with three of > the lead PyPy developers. Over the course of several hours, I was > able to get a toy interpreter running in RPython, which I compiled to > a 40k C executable. This probably wouldn't have been possible without > their help. > > So if people are interested, on the 14th I'd like to give a sort of > follow-up to my PyPy talk a few months ago. It'd be pretty short, > maybe 20-25 minutes on the outside, and would mostly consist of a > walk-through of my toy interpreter and the PyPy toolchain, a > clarification of a few things I didn't understand about PyPy when I > last gave my talk, and a brief report on the state of PyPy today. > > Also, next month I'd be really interested in giving a talk on the > pickle module, geared towards newbies and veterans; it'd start with a > simple overview of what pickle is and how to use it, but would then > dive into how it works internally and what security considerations > should be made before using it. > > - Atul > > On 6/6/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Anyone have any presentation ideas for next Thursday the 14th? > > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From garrett at mojave-corp.com Wed Jun 6 19:47:04 2007 From: garrett at mojave-corp.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:47:04 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706060543m2776b996pdfb7ee438a9cedb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> I'm heads down in using Pylons + Genshi, which I could talk about in some detail by then. Naturally, it would come with miscellaneous strong opinions about frameworks and Python's role in the future of Web app development :-) Any interest in this? On Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:43 AM, chicago-bounces at python.org wrote: > Hi All, > > Anyone have any presentation ideas for next Thursday the 14th? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From tcp at mac.com Wed Jun 6 20:37:50 2007 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:37:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> References: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> Message-ID: <5D2E4A7A-A30E-4B49-97E3-F6DDE24CFD67@mac.com> On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > I'm heads down in using Pylons + Genshi, which I could talk about in > some detail by then. Naturally, it would come with miscellaneous > strong > opinions about frameworks and Python's role in the future of Web app > development :-) > > Any interest in this? +1, though I may not make the meeting -- where's it happening this month, anyway? -ted From pfein at pobox.com Wed Jun 6 20:51:27 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:51:27 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> References: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> Message-ID: <200706061351.27771.pfein@pobox.com> On Wednesday June 6 2007 12:47 pm, Garrett Smith wrote: > I'm heads down in using Pylons + Genshi, which I could talk about in > some detail by then. Naturally, it would come with miscellaneous strong > opinions about frameworks and Python's role in the future of Web app > development :-) > > Any interest in this? Sure. I'm interested in learning more about some of the web components (as opposed to full-blown superframeworks). I've been using Colubrid, which is Not A Framework. http://wsgiarea.pocoo.org/colubrid/ What else do folks use for lightweight web work? --Pete -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From cstejerean at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 21:37:52 2007 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:37:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <200706061351.27771.pfein@pobox.com> References: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> <200706061351.27771.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <383bbcce0706061237l2a3549f0n6fbb0cb83bad4ced@mail.gmail.com> For lightweight web work I use Web.py (http://webpy.org). - Cosmin On 6/6/07, Pete wrote: > > On Wednesday June 6 2007 12:47 pm, Garrett Smith wrote: > > I'm heads down in using Pylons + Genshi, which I could talk about in > > some detail by then. Naturally, it would come with miscellaneous strong > > opinions about frameworks and Python's role in the future of Web app > > development :-) > > > > Any interest in this? > > Sure. I'm interested in learning more about some of the web components > (as > opposed to full-blown superframeworks). I've been using Colubrid, which is > Not A Framework. http://wsgiarea.pocoo.org/colubrid/ > > What else do folks use for lightweight web work? > > --Pete > > -- > Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com > http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B > irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070606/03a779b8/attachment.htm From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 23:34:31 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:34:31 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> References: <3096c19d0706060543m2776b996pdfb7ee438a9cedb1@mail.gmail.com> <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> Message-ID: <3096c19d0706061434p5e974e20lf16b1d11ee36bb91@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/07, Garrett Smith wrote: > I'm heads down in using Pylons + Genshi, which I could talk about in > some detail by then. Naturally, it would come with miscellaneous strong > opinions about frameworks and Python's role in the future of Web app > development :-) > > Any interest in this? > I'm interested. I think between this and Atul we'll have a pretty full night. Pete, maybe you could do a really really quick colubrid talk? Maybe Cosmin could do a quick web.py? I don't want to overload us. As for location, Harper offered up skinnycorp again this month, I'd like to take him up on it unless someone has another idea. Chris From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 23:44:38 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:44:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Parallelism, or Chris is a big thinker Message-ID: <3096c19d0706061444u6bb651b0p8251c3b5a198e3fd@mail.gmail.com> Remember yesterday when we were all talking about concurrency and stuff? I guess a bunch of big thinkers were too: http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/06/googles_folding.html I ended up solving my teeny tiny concurrency problem by opening up two ipython sessions and running my jobs in batches. It was cheap, but it sped up my job by *2, and I got to see my dual core machine go to 100% rather than 50%. Next week I'll show anyone that's interested. It really bugged me the first time I opened up my mac processor monitor thingee and saw Python 100% CPU, but my actual CPU at 50%. Rather than get into fork, I took the cheap way by running in batches...but hey...cheap works. Chris From cstejerean at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 00:11:43 2007 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:11:43 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Parallelism, or Chris is a big thinker In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706061444u6bb651b0p8251c3b5a198e3fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706061444u6bb651b0p8251c3b5a198e3fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <383bbcce0706061511i58e9e845md810d7563b6f8d4d@mail.gmail.com> Well, along those lines IPython1 should bring some really nice capabilites in this field by being able to leverage MPI to distribute work from one IPython session to several slaves and collect the results so you can leverage your dual core machine or multiple machines to accomplish tasks faster (http://ipython.scipy.org/moin/Parallel_Computing) - Cosmin On 6/6/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > Remember yesterday when we were all talking about concurrency and > stuff? I guess a bunch of big thinkers were too: > > http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/06/googles_folding.html > > I ended up solving my teeny tiny concurrency problem by opening up two > ipython sessions and running my jobs in batches. It was cheap, but it > sped up my job by *2, and I got to see my dual core machine go to 100% > rather than 50%. > > Next week I'll show anyone that's interested. It really bugged me the > first time I opened up my mac processor monitor thingee and saw Python > 100% CPU, but my actual CPU at 50%. Rather than get into fork, I took > the cheap way by running in batches...but hey...cheap works. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070606/76727471/attachment.html From cstejerean at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 00:14:16 2007 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:14:16 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706061434p5e974e20lf16b1d11ee36bb91@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706060543m2776b996pdfb7ee438a9cedb1@mail.gmail.com> <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> <3096c19d0706061434p5e974e20lf16b1d11ee36bb91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <383bbcce0706061514n7ef44959y8b6cbb7693e4f5c4@mail.gmail.com> I could do a really quick web.py talk. I also have some example code I could post up from a demo application I'm just finishing up. On 6/6/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > On 6/6/07, Garrett Smith wrote: > > I'm heads down in using Pylons + Genshi, which I could talk about in > > some detail by then. Naturally, it would come with miscellaneous strong > > opinions about frameworks and Python's role in the future of Web app > > development :-) > > > > Any interest in this? > > > > I'm interested. I think between this and Atul we'll have a pretty > full night. Pete, maybe you could do a really really quick colubrid > talk? Maybe Cosmin could do a quick web.py? > > I don't want to overload us. > > As for location, Harper offered up skinnycorp again this month, I'd > like to take him up on it unless someone has another idea. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070606/229b3d58/attachment.htm From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 15:58:08 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:58:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Calling Usergroup Organizers (and Wannabees) In-Reply-To: <361b27370706070613hdfdf8bayc954b5fbc5b30404@mail.gmail.com> References: <4667B55D.7040301@taupro.com> <361b27370706070613hdfdf8bayc954b5fbc5b30404@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0706070658h58ea60b5n201199f33a4d55f8@mail.gmail.com> Hi ChiPy's, Some neat stuff is going on in the big-world of Python user groups. Just a FYI. As we're a pretty flat organization, with no real clear leadership structure, I encourage you all to do...this stuff. I did sign up for the user-group shared blog...if anyone else is interested, go for it. Hurray for Python! Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jeff Rush Date: Jun 7, 2007 2:35 AM Subject: Calling Usergroup Organizers (and Wannabees) To: advocacy at python.org, python-announce-list at python.org, python-list at python.org We'd like to strengthen and raise the visibility of Python usergroups and foster the creation of new ones, by sharing the valuable experiences of those leaders around the community who make it happen. [1] One step is to make others more aware of what is already happening, perhaps in their own neighborhood re Python meetings. I've created a shared blog and invite organizers of existing groups to send me their email address to get privs to post to it. http://python-groups.blogspot.com/ Because these postings will be distributed far and wide, a posting should be of interest to those who did not attend but are considering doing so, or that might be instructive to organizers in other cities. An overview of what was covered in a past meeting, or an announcement with substance on what an upcoming meeting is going to be about are good postings. A simple date and local address, or that the pizza was good last week, is not. ;-) [2] A second step is to encourage and support new organizers in forming groups in their area. There is a strong demand for such meetings, but many are uncertain how to go about it. Therefore I've created a new mailing list on which experienced and new organizers can share tips on getting started, whether about getting the word out, finding a place to meet or getting interesting speakers. http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/group-organizers Those of us with a history of involvement in a usergroup often forget that many people have never attended a usergroup meeting, or lack experience in running one, so let's help strengthen this aspect of Python. We could use some videos or photos of group meetings as well, posted to youtube.com/flickr.com and the link emailed to me for use. I'd also like to reach out to the existing, successful usergroups and ask them to spread the word about their efforts by being interviewed by Ron Stephens on Python411, and/or writing up an article on how your group got started for Tennessee Leeuwenburg of _The Python Papers_. Even a simple "what a typical meeting is like in my area" is helpful. http://www.awaretek.com/python/index.html http://pythonpapers.cgpublisher.com/ It would be especially interesting to see how usergroups operate in various countries around the world, and perhaps help bring together these regions. In closing, please, for existing usergroups as well as new ones coming online, update the entry for your group on the roster of Python usergroups. http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups Jeff Rush Advocacy Coordinator -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations.html From shekay at pobox.com Thu Jun 7 16:20:59 2007 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:20:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] I'm interested in reviewboard Message-ID: I know I don't have a good record of showing up to meetings lately--and you guys have consistently good meetings, so I am annoyed about not showing up. nevertheless! Is anyone here involved in http://code.google.com/p/reviewboard/ ? It uses django. It's on topic. I just learned about this from someone at work. He said I might be interested (I've posted long rambling posts about tools I'd like to have to facilitate code review -- I know that is probably the most unsexy underwhelming sounding thing ever, but I love it when something fills a painpoint gap and does neat stuff like blah blah blah I'm rambling again). Anyone? -- sheila From maney at two14.net Thu Jun 7 17:23:47 2007 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:23:47 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Python Papers - their best issue yet Message-ID: <20070607152347.GA28384@furrr.two14.net> Just heard that v2n2 had hit the net: http://pythonpapers.cgpublisher.com/product/pub.169/prod.6 With PyCon and EuroPython reports as well as articles about Python in Education (hey, that author - don't we know him?), ctypes, and more, it should be fun. -- C makes an art of confusing pointers with arrays and strings, which leads to lotsa neat pointer tricks; APL mistakes everything for an array, leading to neat one-liners; and Perl confuses everything period, making each line a joyous adventure . -- Tim Peters From mw at media-objects.de Thu Jun 7 10:13:17 2007 From: mw at media-objects.de (Michael Weigend) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:13:17 +0200 Subject: [Chicago] thanks for all the information Message-ID: <001e01c7a8db$b4a67320$268b9150@Weigend1> Dear Chicago Python User Group, thank you for all the interesting information about your town. One of the effects of this friendly and enthusiastic support is that I have changed my travel plans and extended my stay in Chicago from two to three days. I have made a reservation in the Bucktown neighborhood. Greetings from Germany Michael From mtobis at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 21:44:31 2007 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:44:31 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Python Papers - their best issue yet In-Reply-To: <20070607152347.GA28384@furrr.two14.net> References: <20070607152347.GA28384@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: Yeah, I stuck my neck out a bit. Not sure if it was worth it; I haven't had a lot of feedback for good or ill. +1s welcome; -1s would be better than nothing. The zine offerred me a slot as education editor which I was angling for back when my employment was uncertain. I'm actually busy as a scientist and enviro-blogger ( http://initforthegold.blogspot.com ) these days so I'm inclined to pass it up. They'd love to have a more technical OLPC article next time around in any case. Please contact the editor at tleeuwenburg at gmail.com if you are interested. mt On 6/7/07, Martin Maney wrote: > > Just heard that v2n2 had hit the net: > > http://pythonpapers.cgpublisher.com/product/pub.169/prod.6 > > With PyCon and EuroPython reports as well as articles about Python in > Education (hey, that author - don't we know him?), ctypes, and more, it > should be fun. > > -- > C makes an art of confusing pointers with arrays and strings, which > leads to lotsa neat pointer tricks; APL mistakes everything for an array, > leading to neat one-liners; and Perl confuses everything period, > making each line a joyous adventure . -- Tim Peters > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 21:49:06 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:49:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Erlang Envy, was Re: Stackless In-Reply-To: <200706051726.37157.pfein@pobox.com> References: <3096c19d0706051151m5633af6eh2b28e2b0170e3b8b@mail.gmail.com> <200706051626.38076.pfein@pobox.com> <200706051726.37157.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: On 6/5/07, Pete wrote: > On Tuesday June 5 2007 5:03 pm, Kumar McMillan wrote: > > On 6/5/07, Pete wrote: > > A huge challenge in decoupled SOA environments is sending a message > > somewhere with a 100% guarantee that it doesn't get lost (when taking > > rapture into consideration, 99.999% is usually acceptable). This is a > > A good quote on reliability (2nd) > http://patricklogan.blogspot.com/2007/04/systems.html I find this stuff fascinating. The pybots project [1] works like this, like many cooperating cells (build slaves that pop on and off here. If a slave goes offline then another one picks up). It's possible to apply this concept to many things. I read a great article [2] the other day that has a good quote about distributed systems vs. SOA: "...the move from distributed systems (one transactional scope --> one notion of time) to SOA (independent transactional scopes --> time based on the perspective of the user) is like moving from Newton's Universe to Einstein's Universe." specifically, when you have the concept of "one system" (it might actually be multiple systems) then it's like operating in Newton's universe where time marches on at the same pace for everyone. But then if you design the system to be made of many systems that do useful things without worrying about each other it's like looking into the night sky and seeing the distant light from a galaxy that might be dead (Einstein's universe) because their "time" is not your "time." (paraphrased from the article.) [1] http://www.pybots.org/ [2] http://blogs.msdn.com/pathelland/archive/2007/05/20/soa-and-newton-s-universe.aspx From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 22:02:20 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:02:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> References: <3096c19d0706060543m2776b996pdfb7ee438a9cedb1@mail.gmail.com> <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> Message-ID: On 6/6/07, Garrett Smith wrote: > I'm heads down in using Pylons + Genshi, which I could talk about in > some detail by then. Naturally, it would come with miscellaneous strong > opinions about frameworks and Python's role in the future of Web app > development :-) > > Any interest in this? +1 I have been looking at pylons a lot (no real code written yet) but there are many things about it that I think make it the best option (MHO) for a light to medium weight web framework in python. From goodger at python.org Thu Jun 7 22:46:36 2007 From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:46:36 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago visit In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40705231309g6440a4ecjc6a6b41c69e5113f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4335d2c40705231309g6440a4ecjc6a6b41c69e5113f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4335d2c40706071346h3f079d0akd4c8bc5cd1224912@mail.gmail.com> I just read through all the messages on the "Suggestions for things to see in Chicago" thread last month, and noted the many possibilities. Thanks everyone! This would be a great start for a PyCon/Chicago "what to do" wiki page (hint, hint). One suggestion in particular struck me as a great way to see many aspects of the city in a limited time, and have geeky fun too: City Segway Tours [1]. Thanks to John Chaves for the idea. A 3-hour tour [2] costs $70. I'm going to make a reservation for the 10am tour on Saturday July 21, and I'm inviting people to join me. Even Chicago natives may be interested. I know that I don't feel the need to visit the landmarks where I live, always thinking "some other time". But some other time rarely comes. Perhaps this is the time? The tour meeting point is 400 East Randolph Street, "just across the street from the northern edge of Grant Park". After the tour we could get some Chicago grub. I've heard you have good pizza and hot dogs. Any suggestions on the quintessential Chicago eatery? What do you say? Does anyone want to join me for the Segway tour & lunch, or just lunch in the city? -- David Goodger [1] http://www.citysegwaytours.com/chicago/ [2] Tour details: http://www.citysegwaytours.com/chicago/segway-tour/chicago-segway-tour.shtml On 5/23/07, David Goodger wrote: > On my way to OSCON in July I will visit the Crowne Plaza hotel in > Chicago, the venue for PyCon 2008 (& possibly 2009). I'm staying for 2 > nights. I'll arrive in the morning on Friday July 20, tour the hotel > that afternoon, check out Chicago a bit on Saturday July 21, and > depart early Sunday morning. > > I'm preparing a checklist to cover with the hotel staff. Please > suggest topics to discuss and things to check while I'm there. > > If anyone in the Chicago area would like to meet on the Friday evening > or Saturday, please let me know. How about a ChiPy get-together? > > Suggestions for things to see and do would also be appreciated. > > Thanks! > > -- > David Goodger From cstejerean at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 00:07:03 2007 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:07:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706061434p5e974e20lf16b1d11ee36bb91@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706060543m2776b996pdfb7ee438a9cedb1@mail.gmail.com> <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> <3096c19d0706061434p5e974e20lf16b1d11ee36bb91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <383bbcce0706071507m7cf581dbra792506fb7d5f588@mail.gmail.com> I won't be able to make it today. If anyone would like to check out Web.pyanyway have a look at the tutorial http://webpy.infogami.com/tutorial2 I will also release soon a demo app using Web.py and the Google Maps API to allow one to search for restaurants in Chicago. - Cosmin On 6/6/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > On 6/6/07, Garrett Smith wrote: > > I'm heads down in using Pylons + Genshi, which I could talk about in > > some detail by then. Naturally, it would come with miscellaneous strong > > opinions about frameworks and Python's role in the future of Web app > > development :-) > > > > Any interest in this? > > > > I'm interested. I think between this and Atul we'll have a pretty > full night. Pete, maybe you could do a really really quick colubrid > talk? Maybe Cosmin could do a quick web.py? > > I don't want to overload us. > > As for location, Harper offered up skinnycorp again this month, I'd > like to take him up on it unless someone has another idea. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070607/14b21403/attachment-0001.html From andrew at humanized.com Fri Jun 8 00:14:53 2007 From: andrew at humanized.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:14:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <383bbcce0706071507m7cf581dbra792506fb7d5f588@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706060543m2776b996pdfb7ee438a9cedb1@mail.gmail.com> <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> <3096c19d0706061434p5e974e20lf16b1d11ee36bb91@mail.gmail.com> <383bbcce0706071507m7cf581dbra792506fb7d5f588@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Whoa...the meeting is not today, is it? Or did I miss something? -- Andrew On 6/7/07, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > > I won't be able to make it today. If anyone would like to check out Web.pyanyway have a look at the tutorial > http://webpy.infogami.com/tutorial2 > I will also release soon a demo app using Web.py and the Google Maps API > to allow one to search for restaurants in Chicago. > > - Cosmin > > On 6/6/07, Chris McAvoy < chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 6/6/07, Garrett Smith < garrett at mojave-corp.com> wrote: > > > I'm heads down in using Pylons + Genshi, which I could talk about in > > > some detail by then. Naturally, it would come with miscellaneous > > strong > > > opinions about frameworks and Python's role in the future of Web app > > > development :-) > > > > > > Any interest in this? > > > > > > > I'm interested. I think between this and Atul we'll have a pretty > > full night. Pete, maybe you could do a really really quick colubrid > > talk? Maybe Cosmin could do a quick web.py? > > > > I don't want to overload us. > > > > As for location, Harper offered up skinnycorp again this month, I'd > > like to take him up on it unless someone has another idea. > > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070607/1a309530/attachment.htm From bradyc at google.com Fri Jun 8 00:50:02 2007 From: bradyc at google.com (Brady Cox) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:50:02 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago visit In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40706071346h3f079d0akd4c8bc5cd1224912@mail.gmail.com> References: <4335d2c40705231309g6440a4ecjc6a6b41c69e5113f@mail.gmail.com> <4335d2c40706071346h3f079d0akd4c8bc5cd1224912@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2dfd89af0706071550n754ec01dla1910729ac7a011c@mail.gmail.com> Things To Ingest Whilst In Chicago: Deep Dish Pizza - You want to visit Giordano's, Lou Malnati's, Gino's East, or My Pi (it's a pi symbol on the sign) Other suggestions are welcome. Chicago Style Hot Dog - since I don't normally eat these... people please speak up. Italian Beef - Mr. Beef, Buona Beef, Portillo's, Suggestions Welcome There are also a lot of Gyros places around that are good. Generally these are small mom & pop establishments. On 6/7/07, David Goodger wrote: > > I just read through all the messages on the "Suggestions for things to > see in Chicago" thread last month, and noted the many possibilities. > Thanks everyone! This would be a great start for a PyCon/Chicago > "what to do" wiki page (hint, hint). > > One suggestion in particular struck me as a great way to see many > aspects of the city in a limited time, and have geeky fun too: City > Segway Tours [1]. Thanks to John Chaves for the idea. > > A 3-hour tour [2] costs $70. I'm going to make a reservation for the > 10am tour on Saturday July 21, and I'm inviting people to join me. > Even Chicago natives may be interested. I know that I don't feel the > need to visit the landmarks where I live, always thinking "some other > time". But some other time rarely comes. Perhaps this is the time? > > The tour meeting point is 400 East Randolph Street, "just across the > street from the northern edge of Grant Park". > > After the tour we could get some Chicago grub. I've heard you have > good pizza and hot dogs. Any suggestions on the quintessential > Chicago eatery? > > What do you say? Does anyone want to join me for the Segway tour & > lunch, or just lunch in the city? > > -- David Goodger > > [1] http://www.citysegwaytours.com/chicago/ > [2] Tour details: > > http://www.citysegwaytours.com/chicago/segway-tour/chicago-segway-tour.shtml > > > On 5/23/07, David Goodger wrote: > > On my way to OSCON in July I will visit the Crowne Plaza hotel in > > Chicago, the venue for PyCon 2008 (& possibly 2009). I'm staying for 2 > > nights. I'll arrive in the morning on Friday July 20, tour the hotel > > that afternoon, check out Chicago a bit on Saturday July 21, and > > depart early Sunday morning. > > > > I'm preparing a checklist to cover with the hotel staff. Please > > suggest topics to discuss and things to check while I'm there. > > > > If anyone in the Chicago area would like to meet on the Friday evening > > or Saturday, please let me know. How about a ChiPy get-together? > > > > Suggestions for things to see and do would also be appreciated. > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > David Goodger > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Brady Cox Google Chicago DTA "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." - Abraham Lincoln -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070607/420a18eb/attachment.html From verisimilidude at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 00:55:18 2007 From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:55:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] thanks for all the information In-Reply-To: <001e01c7a8db$b4a67320$268b9150@Weigend1> References: <001e01c7a8db$b4a67320$268b9150@Weigend1> Message-ID: <6ad48f980706071555n2222dc8fscac6edd044c1b049@mail.gmail.com> Now you know why it's "The Windy City" - not because the wind blows here but because it was a late 19th slang term for someone who talks a lot. A New York newspaper publisher created the term to refer to Chicagoans who were (are) always promoting their city. On 6/7/07, Michael Weigend wrote: > thank you for all the interesting information about your town. ... > Greetings from Germany > > Michael From awbassett at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 01:03:05 2007 From: awbassett at gmail.com (Andrew Bassett) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:03:05 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago visit In-Reply-To: <2dfd89af0706071550n754ec01dla1910729ac7a011c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4335d2c40705231309g6440a4ecjc6a6b41c69e5113f@mail.gmail.com> <4335d2c40706071346h3f079d0akd4c8bc5cd1224912@mail.gmail.com> <2dfd89af0706071550n754ec01dla1910729ac7a011c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41e5af610706071603y318754d9p13c05fe9233dc6ce@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/07, Brady Cox wrote: > > Things To Ingest Whilst In Chicago: > > Deep Dish Pizza - You want to visit Giordano's, Lou Malnati's, Gino's > East, or My Pi (it's a pi symbol on the sign) Other suggestions are > welcome. Agreed. Lou's Buttercrust is my favorite. Chicago Style Hot Dog - since I don't normally eat these... people please > speak up. Gene and Judes - 2720 River Rd, River Grove, IL 60171-1325 Hot Dougs (Although, it is an 'encased meat emporium', not just hot dogs) - 3324 N California, Chicago, IL 60618* * Italian Beef - Mr. Beef, Buona Beef, Portillo's, Suggestions Welcome Portillos is probably the best out of those. There is also a place on Jackson (and cross street is Wells.. maybe?) in the loop called Luke's that is pretty good. I imagine they are only open during normal work week business hours. There are also a lot of Gyros places around that are good. Generally these > are small mom & pop establishments. King's Too is my favorite. It's on the cross of Foster, Milwaukee and Central, just east of I-90. You'd get off 90 at Central and go north for just a short while. (I haven't ever been that direction on 90, someone please confirm this!). HTH! -- Andrew Bassett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070607/eb1d5927/attachment.htm From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 01:07:06 2007 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:07:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago visit In-Reply-To: <2dfd89af0706071550n754ec01dla1910729ac7a011c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4335d2c40705231309g6440a4ecjc6a6b41c69e5113f@mail.gmail.com> <4335d2c40706071346h3f079d0akd4c8bc5cd1224912@mail.gmail.com> <2dfd89af0706071550n754ec01dla1910729ac7a011c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70706071607j277eae27q3800ae9be4f388c3@mail.gmail.com> > Chicago Style Hot Dog - since I don't normally eat these... people please > speak up. Portillo's isn't bad, but Hot Doug's (http://www.hotdougs.com/) is known for tube steak goodness. Also, notice the duck fat fries on Friday and Saturday. From ken at stox.org Fri Jun 8 01:42:02 2007 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:42:02 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago visit In-Reply-To: <49d805d70706071607j277eae27q3800ae9be4f388c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4335d2c40705231309g6440a4ecjc6a6b41c69e5113f@mail.gmail.com> <4335d2c40706071346h3f079d0akd4c8bc5cd1224912@mail.gmail.com> <2dfd89af0706071550n754ec01dla1910729ac7a011c@mail.gmail.com> <49d805d70706071607j277eae27q3800ae9be4f388c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1181259722.6725.82.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 18:07 -0500, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > Chicago Style Hot Dog - since I don't normally eat these... people please > > speak up. > > Portillo's isn't bad, but Hot Doug's (http://www.hotdougs.com/) is > known for tube steak goodness. Also, notice the duck fat fries on > Friday and Saturday. Don't forget the legendary SuperDawg, http://superdawg.com/, located at 6363 Milwaukee. For an extra special experience, order your dog plain with Ketchup. From bradyc at google.com Fri Jun 8 01:43:40 2007 From: bradyc at google.com (Brady Cox) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:43:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago visit In-Reply-To: <1181259722.6725.82.camel@stox.dyndns.org> References: <4335d2c40705231309g6440a4ecjc6a6b41c69e5113f@mail.gmail.com> <4335d2c40706071346h3f079d0akd4c8bc5cd1224912@mail.gmail.com> <2dfd89af0706071550n754ec01dla1910729ac7a011c@mail.gmail.com> <49d805d70706071607j277eae27q3800ae9be4f388c3@mail.gmail.com> <1181259722.6725.82.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <2dfd89af0706071643h7483c221g5755b0f443ee6e19@mail.gmail.com> You could always go to the Wiener's Circle late at night and have the staff curse you out, which is always fun. On 6/7/07, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 18:07 -0500, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > > Chicago Style Hot Dog - since I don't normally eat these... people > please > > > speak up. > > > > Portillo's isn't bad, but Hot Doug's (http://www.hotdougs.com/) is > > known for tube steak goodness. Also, notice the duck fat fries on > > Friday and Saturday. > > Don't forget the legendary SuperDawg, http://superdawg.com/, located at > 6363 Milwaukee. For an extra special experience, order your dog plain > with Ketchup. > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Brady Cox Google Chicago DTA "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." - Abraham Lincoln -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070607/1e2176fe/attachment.html From pfein at pobox.com Fri Jun 8 02:59:11 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:59:11 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706061434p5e974e20lf16b1d11ee36bb91@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706060543m2776b996pdfb7ee438a9cedb1@mail.gmail.com> <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> <3096c19d0706061434p5e974e20lf16b1d11ee36bb91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200706071959.12082.pfein@pobox.com> On Wednesday June 6 2007 4:34 pm, Chris McAvoy wrote: > I'm interested. I think between this and Atul we'll have a pretty > full night. Pete, maybe you could do a really really quick colubrid > talk? Maybe Cosmin could do a quick web.py? Seeing as my talk would consist of "You should check out Colubrid, it's cool", no. -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From sobolak at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 05:14:15 2007 From: sobolak at gmail.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:14:15 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago visit In-Reply-To: <41e5af610706071603y318754d9p13c05fe9233dc6ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <4335d2c40705231309g6440a4ecjc6a6b41c69e5113f@mail.gmail.com> <4335d2c40706071346h3f079d0akd4c8bc5cd1224912@mail.gmail.com> <2dfd89af0706071550n754ec01dla1910729ac7a011c@mail.gmail.com> <41e5af610706071603y318754d9p13c05fe9233dc6ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > > There are also a lot of Gyros places around that are good. Generally > these are small mom & pop establishments. > > King's Too is my favorite. It's on the cross of Foster, Milwaukee and > Central, just east of I-90. You'd get off 90 at Central and go north for > just a short while. (I haven't ever been that direction on 90, someone > please confirm this!). Even if you aren't a tourist, this intersection is totally rad as American Science & Surplus is there. http://www.sciplus.com/ brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 13:47:58 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:47:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0706060543m2776b996pdfb7ee438a9cedb1@mail.gmail.com> <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE0E1@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> <3096c19d0706061434p5e974e20lf16b1d11ee36bb91@mail.gmail.com> <383bbcce0706071507m7cf581dbra792506fb7d5f588@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0706080447t1845b86fn320d05c15fe37a3c@mail.gmail.com> Sorry I didn't catch this last night...hopefully no one showed up. The meeting is next Thursday. I'll send out an announcement this weekend. Chris On 6/7/07, Andrew Wilson wrote: > Whoa...the meeting is not today, is it? Or did I miss something? > > -- Andrew > > > On 6/7/07, Cosmin Stejerean < cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote: > > I won't be able to make it today. If anyone would like to check out Web.py > anyway have a look at the tutorial > http://webpy.infogami.com/tutorial2 > > I will also release soon a demo app using Web.py and the Google Maps API > to allow one to search for restaurants in Chicago. > > > > - Cosmin > > > > > > On 6/6/07, Chris McAvoy < chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 6/6/07, Garrett Smith < garrett at mojave-corp.com> wrote: > > > > I'm heads down in using Pylons + Genshi, which I could talk about in > > > > some detail by then. Naturally, it would come with miscellaneous > strong > > > > opinions about frameworks and Python's role in the future of Web app > > > > development :-) > > > > > > > > Any interest in this? > > > > > > > > > > I'm interested. I think between this and Atul we'll have a pretty > > > full night. Pete, maybe you could do a really really quick colubrid > > > talk? Maybe Cosmin could do a quick web.py? > > > > > > I don't want to overload us. > > > > > > As for location, Harper offered up skinnycorp again this month, I'd > > > like to take him up on it unless someone has another idea. > > > > > > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chicago mailing list > > > Chicago at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From dbt at meat.net Fri Jun 8 15:09:20 2007 From: dbt at meat.net (David Terrell) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:09:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago visit In-Reply-To: <2dfd89af0706071643h7483c221g5755b0f443ee6e19@mail.gmail.com> References: <4335d2c40705231309g6440a4ecjc6a6b41c69e5113f@mail.gmail.com> <4335d2c40706071346h3f079d0akd4c8bc5cd1224912@mail.gmail.com> <2dfd89af0706071550n754ec01dla1910729ac7a011c@mail.gmail.com> <49d805d70706071607j277eae27q3800ae9be4f388c3@mail.gmail.com> <1181259722.6725.82.camel@stox.dyndns.org> <2dfd89af0706071643h7483c221g5755b0f443ee6e19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070608130920.GA10215@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 06:43:40PM -0500, Brady Cox wrote: > You could always go to the Wiener's Circle late at night and have the staff > curse you out, which is always fun. > Don't forget a Francheezie, as featured on The Colbert Report. (hot dog sliced open filled with "cheese" wrapped in bacon and deep fried.) -- David Terrell dbt at meat.net ((meatspace)) http://meat.net/ From michael.greene at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 16:07:32 2007 From: michael.greene at gmail.com (Michael Greene) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:07:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] thanks for all the information Message-ID: The origin is a little more complex than that, and still fruitlessly debated among pedants and antagonists (if that's what you want to call me) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windy_City,_Origin_of_Name_(Chicago) Michael On 6/7/07, Phil Robare wrote: Now you know why it's "The Windy City" - not because the wind blows here but because it was a late 19th slang term for someone who talks a lot. A New York newspaper publisher created the term to refer to Chicagoans who were (are) always promoting their city. On 6/7/07, Michael Weigend wrote: > thank you for all the interesting information about your town. ... > Greetings from Germany > > Michael From david at graniteweb.com Fri Jun 8 17:33:30 2007 From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:33:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago visit In-Reply-To: <41e5af610706071603y318754d9p13c05fe9233dc6ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <4335d2c40705231309g6440a4ecjc6a6b41c69e5113f@mail.gmail.com> <4335d2c40706071346h3f079d0akd4c8bc5cd1224912@mail.gmail.com> <2dfd89af0706071550n754ec01dla1910729ac7a011c@mail.gmail.com> <41e5af610706071603y318754d9p13c05fe9233dc6ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070608153329.GA19405@wdfs.graniteweb.com> * Andrew Bassett [2007-06-07 18:03]: > On 6/7/07, Brady Cox wrote: > > > >Things To Ingest Whilst In Chicago: Let the holy wars begin ;-) > Chicago Style Hot Dog - since I don't normally eat these... people please > >speak up. > > Gene and Judes - 2720 River Rd, River Grove, IL 60171-1325 Easily my favorite, although probably the least "Chicago" of the Chicago Style Dogs. Only toppings available: mustard, relish, onions and sport peppers. Don't forget that when you order a dog, fries come with it (on it, actually). If you make the mistake of ordering "a dog with fries," be prepared to eat a lot of grease :-) There is no seating, but on the other side of the Des Plaines river on Grand is a nice park to sit and eat your treasure. Did I mention it's my favorite? > Italian Beef - Mr. Beef, Buona Beef, Portillo's, Suggestions Welcome Portillo's is decent and very prevalent, Buona Beef is similar but with a decidedly different flavor. My favorite is Jay's Beef in Schiller Park. For an interesting visual on these and a lot more, check out: http://www.greasefreak.com/index.html no pizza, though. -- David Rock david at graniteweb.com From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 19:13:07 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:13:07 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] I'm interested in reviewboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/7/07, sheila miguez wrote: > I know I don't have a good record of showing up to meetings > lately--and you guys have consistently good meetings, so I am annoyed > about not showing up. > > nevertheless! Is anyone here involved in > http://code.google.com/p/reviewboard/ ? It uses django. It's on topic. thanks for posting this! I've been on the hunt for a good code review tool for our team to use. I'm going to install this and try it out. All I could find (open source) last time I looked was Codestriker (http://codestriker.sourceforge.net/). It took me forever to install but only because I forgot how to do cgi in apache2, lots of head scratching. I have an aversion to anything perl but I tried it out and it's actually pretty nice. I only tried it with subversion and here is what I noticed: It sort of wants you to have each code-to-be-reviewed checked into a work branch which is great but some of our smaller teams aren't so dlligent about that. You get a pretty useful view of the entire diff (you can also upload a diff). the coolest part is that when you want to make a note on a specific segment of code you can just click on the line number in the diff. Then in the "issues" screen you can see a snapshot of the code or link to the diff, or whatever. In conclusion it seems passable for what we need (and beats the email review) but still leaves a lot to be desired. Now ... I'll need to see what this reviewboard can offer :) -Kumar > > I just learned about this from someone at work. He said I might be > interested (I've posted long rambling posts about tools I'd like to > have to facilitate code review -- I know that is probably the most > unsexy underwhelming sounding thing ever, but I love it when something > fills a painpoint gap yes, this is a very much needed gap to be filled. Rumor has it that the BDFL himself has been building a code review tool for Google in [coincidentally] django called Mondrian: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Google/?p=407 who knows if that will ever be released open source but it might. This also begs the rhetorical question: who is the man who says "OK" to code written at Google ;) -Kumar From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 21:25:08 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:25:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) Message-ID: Only just saw this ... a tech talk by Fitz happening at the same time as the scheduled chipy meeting on June 14th. What is the general consensus? Is this worth post-poning the chipy meeting? I personally am curious about Scientific Dataset Sharing ... but if someone does a talk on Pylons then I'm torn :( -Kumar ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jeff Moore <@google.com> Date: Jun 5, 2007 6:21 PM Subject: Google Tech Talk in Chicago To: @chicagolug.org Google Chicago is hosting a special tech talk and you're invited! Google Chicago is excited to host a special tech talk event for engineers in the Chicago area at Rockit Bar & Grill on Thursday, June 14. Google Chicago is one of the newest engineering offices at Google, and we are anxious to meet members of the community and get the word out about what we're working on. Join us for food, drinks, and a talk with Brian Fitzpatrick, Senior Software Engineer, and the rest of the Chicago Engineering Team. To register and learn more, please click here: http://services.google.com/events/chicago_alumni07 Friends are welcome. Questions: Contact chicagoevent at google.com. We look forward to meeting you soon. Warm Regards, Your Friends at Google From adamhowitt at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 21:38:35 2007 From: adamhowitt at gmail.com (Adam Howitt) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:38:35 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> Is this event open to a larger audience? I'd be interested in attending... On 6/8/07, Kumar McMillan wrote: > Only just saw this ... a tech talk by Fitz happening at the same time > as the scheduled chipy meeting on June 14th. What is the general > consensus? Is this worth post-poning the chipy meeting? I personally > am curious about Scientific Dataset Sharing ... but if someone does a > talk on Pylons then I'm torn :( > -Kumar > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jeff Moore <@google.com> > Date: Jun 5, 2007 6:21 PM > Subject: Google Tech Talk in Chicago > To: @chicagolug.org > > > Google Chicago is hosting a special tech talk and you're invited! > > Google Chicago is excited to host a special tech talk event for > engineers in the Chicago area at Rockit Bar & Grill on Thursday, June > 14. Google Chicago is one of the newest engineering offices at Google, > and we are anxious to meet members of the community and get the word > out about what we're working on. Join us for food, drinks, and a talk > with Brian Fitzpatrick, Senior Software Engineer, and the rest of the > Chicago Engineering Team. > > To register and learn more, please click here: > > http://services.google.com/events/chicago_alumni07 > > Friends are welcome. > > > Questions: Contact chicagoevent at google.com. > > We look forward to meeting you soon. Warm Regards, > Your Friends at Google > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Adam Howitt http://www.walkjogrun.net/?f I'm running a marathon for the Leukemia and Lymphoma charity: http://www.active.com/donate/tntil/adamhowitt From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 21:44:21 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:44:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/8/07, Adam Howitt wrote: > Is this event open to a larger audience? I'd be interested in attending... As far as I can tell anyone can attend. You rsvp here: http://services.google.com/events/chicago_alumni07 ...so I assume it would say "registration full" if it were so. > > On 6/8/07, Kumar McMillan wrote: > > Only just saw this ... a tech talk by Fitz happening at the same time > > as the scheduled chipy meeting on June 14th. What is the general > > consensus? Is this worth post-poning the chipy meeting? I personally > > am curious about Scientific Dataset Sharing ... but if someone does a > > talk on Pylons then I'm torn :( > > -Kumar > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Jeff Moore <@google.com> > > Date: Jun 5, 2007 6:21 PM > > Subject: Google Tech Talk in Chicago > > To: @chicagolug.org > > > > > > Google Chicago is hosting a special tech talk and you're invited! > > > > Google Chicago is excited to host a special tech talk event for > > engineers in the Chicago area at Rockit Bar & Grill on Thursday, June > > 14. Google Chicago is one of the newest engineering offices at Google, > > and we are anxious to meet members of the community and get the word > > out about what we're working on. Join us for food, drinks, and a talk > > with Brian Fitzpatrick, Senior Software Engineer, and the rest of the > > Chicago Engineering Team. > > > > To register and learn more, please click here: > > > > http://services.google.com/events/chicago_alumni07 > > > > Friends are welcome. > > > > > > Questions: Contact chicagoevent at google.com. > > > > We look forward to meeting you soon. Warm Regards, > > Your Friends at Google > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Adam Howitt > http://www.walkjogrun.net/?f > I'm running a marathon for the Leukemia and Lymphoma charity: > http://www.active.com/donate/tntil/adamhowitt > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From harper at nata2.org Fri Jun 8 21:54:40 2007 From: harper at nata2.org (Harper Reed) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:54:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: References: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I, for one, would like to go to the google event. It should be entertaining - however since i think i am hosting the chipy meeting at skinnycorp again - it depends on that. On 6/8/07, Kumar McMillan wrote: > On 6/8/07, Adam Howitt wrote: > > Is this event open to a larger audience? I'd be interested in attending... > > As far as I can tell anyone can attend. You rsvp here: > http://services.google.com/events/chicago_alumni07 > > ...so I assume it would say "registration full" if it were so. > > > > > On 6/8/07, Kumar McMillan wrote: > > > Only just saw this ... a tech talk by Fitz happening at the same time > > > as the scheduled chipy meeting on June 14th. What is the general > > > consensus? Is this worth post-poning the chipy meeting? I personally > > > am curious about Scientific Dataset Sharing ... but if someone does a > > > talk on Pylons then I'm torn :( > > > -Kumar > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: Jeff Moore <@google.com> > > > Date: Jun 5, 2007 6:21 PM > > > Subject: Google Tech Talk in Chicago > > > To: @chicagolug.org > > > > > > > > > Google Chicago is hosting a special tech talk and you're invited! > > > > > > Google Chicago is excited to host a special tech talk event for > > > engineers in the Chicago area at Rockit Bar & Grill on Thursday, June > > > 14. Google Chicago is one of the newest engineering offices at Google, > > > and we are anxious to meet members of the community and get the word > > > out about what we're working on. Join us for food, drinks, and a talk > > > with Brian Fitzpatrick, Senior Software Engineer, and the rest of the > > > Chicago Engineering Team. > > > > > > To register and learn more, please click here: > > > > > > http://services.google.com/events/chicago_alumni07 > > > > > > Friends are welcome. > > > > > > > > > Questions: Contact chicagoevent at google.com. > > > > > > We look forward to meeting you soon. Warm Regards, > > > Your Friends at Google > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chicago mailing list > > > Chicago at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Adam Howitt > > http://www.walkjogrun.net/?f > > I'm running a marathon for the Leukemia and Lymphoma charity: > > http://www.active.com/donate/tntil/adamhowitt > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Harper Reed blog: nata2.org home: harperreed.org From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 22:06:42 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:06:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: References: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0706081306i4c126bbbs25bac6285b49f792@mail.gmail.com> I'm fine with postponing if everyone else is... On 6/8/07, Harper Reed wrote: > I, for one, would like to go to the google event. It should be > entertaining - however since i think i am hosting the chipy meeting at > skinnycorp again - it depends on that. > > On 6/8/07, Kumar McMillan wrote: > > On 6/8/07, Adam Howitt wrote: > > > Is this event open to a larger audience? I'd be interested in attending... > > > > As far as I can tell anyone can attend. You rsvp here: > > http://services.google.com/events/chicago_alumni07 > > > > ...so I assume it would say "registration full" if it were so. > > > > > > > > On 6/8/07, Kumar McMillan wrote: > > > > Only just saw this ... a tech talk by Fitz happening at the same time > > > > as the scheduled chipy meeting on June 14th. What is the general > > > > consensus? Is this worth post-poning the chipy meeting? I personally > > > > am curious about Scientific Dataset Sharing ... but if someone does a > > > > talk on Pylons then I'm torn :( > > > > -Kumar > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > From: Jeff Moore <@google.com> > > > > Date: Jun 5, 2007 6:21 PM > > > > Subject: Google Tech Talk in Chicago > > > > To: @chicagolug.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Google Chicago is hosting a special tech talk and you're invited! > > > > > > > > Google Chicago is excited to host a special tech talk event for > > > > engineers in the Chicago area at Rockit Bar & Grill on Thursday, June > > > > 14. Google Chicago is one of the newest engineering offices at Google, > > > > and we are anxious to meet members of the community and get the word > > > > out about what we're working on. Join us for food, drinks, and a talk > > > > with Brian Fitzpatrick, Senior Software Engineer, and the rest of the > > > > Chicago Engineering Team. > > > > > > > > To register and learn more, please click here: > > > > > > > > http://services.google.com/events/chicago_alumni07 > > > > > > > > Friends are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Questions: Contact chicagoevent at google.com. > > > > > > > > We look forward to meeting you soon. Warm Regards, > > > > Your Friends at Google > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Chicago mailing list > > > > Chicago at python.org > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Adam Howitt > > > http://www.walkjogrun.net/?f > > > I'm running a marathon for the Leukemia and Lymphoma charity: > > > http://www.active.com/donate/tntil/adamhowitt > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chicago mailing list > > > Chicago at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > -- > Harper Reed > blog: nata2.org > home: harperreed.org > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From varmaa at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 22:21:40 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:21:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706081306i4c126bbbs25bac6285b49f792@mail.gmail.com> References: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081306i4c126bbbs25bac6285b49f792@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370706081321x1331fc7fk3ccc018af3197976@mail.gmail.com> On 6/8/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > I'm fine with postponing if everyone else is... That's fine with me, though I'd have to know when it was postponed to--I'm busy the weekend of the 15th, and then there's BARcamp on the 23-24. Should we just postpone it a week, to Thursday the 21st? - Atul From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 22:24:38 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:24:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: <361b27370706081321x1331fc7fk3ccc018af3197976@mail.gmail.com> References: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081306i4c126bbbs25bac6285b49f792@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706081321x1331fc7fk3ccc018af3197976@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0706081324r59e39b82paedb8d2b21cff55@mail.gmail.com> I'm kind of leaning towards postponing until July. Anyone have any opinions on that? On 6/8/07, Atul Varma wrote: > On 6/8/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > I'm fine with postponing if everyone else is... > > That's fine with me, though I'd have to know when it was postponed > to--I'm busy the weekend of the 15th, and then there's BARcamp on the > 23-24. > > Should we just postpone it a week, to Thursday the 21st? > > - Atul > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From harper at nata2.org Fri Jun 8 22:27:41 2007 From: harper at nata2.org (Harper Reed) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:27:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: <361b27370706081321x1331fc7fk3ccc018af3197976@mail.gmail.com> References: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081306i4c126bbbs25bac6285b49f792@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706081321x1331fc7fk3ccc018af3197976@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We are open at skinny for the next week. We are also able to do it tuesday or wednesday of the following week as well. On 6/8/07, Atul Varma wrote: > On 6/8/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > I'm fine with postponing if everyone else is... > > That's fine with me, though I'd have to know when it was postponed > to--I'm busy the weekend of the 15th, and then there's BARcamp on the > 23-24. > > Should we just postpone it a week, to Thursday the 21st? > > - Atul > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Harper Reed blog: nata2.org home: harperreed.org From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 22:37:04 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:37:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706081324r59e39b82paedb8d2b21cff55@mail.gmail.com> References: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081306i4c126bbbs25bac6285b49f792@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706081321x1331fc7fk3ccc018af3197976@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081324r59e39b82paedb8d2b21cff55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/8/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > I'm kind of leaning towards postponing until July. > > Anyone have any opinions on that? I vote for Jun 21 vs. pushing all the way back to July From carl at personnelware.com Fri Jun 8 22:49:27 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:49:27 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: References: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081306i4c126bbbs25bac6285b49f792@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706081321x1331fc7fk3ccc018af3197976@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081324r59e39b82paedb8d2b21cff55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4669C0D7.3050506@personnelware.com> Kumar McMillan wrote: > On 6/8/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: >> I'm kind of leaning towards postponing until July. >> >> Anyone have any opinions on that? > > I vote for Jun 21 vs. pushing all the way back to July June 21 or any other June date. When can the speakers make it? Carl K From sloh at google.com Sat Jun 9 00:10:25 2007 From: sloh at google.com (Susan Loh) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:10:25 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] Interested in a Google Tech Talk? Message-ID: Hello ChiPy Members, I'm a Technical Recruiter at Google in Mountain View, CA and I am currently planning a number of user group events across the Midwest. I came across your website and wanted to see if you'd be interested in having a Google engineer give a tech talk at one of your monthly meetings. We are trying to get the word out on interesting projects currently going on in the area. Please let me know who I should contact regarding this. Thank you! -- Susan Loh Recruiter, Operations & IT Google, Inc. 650.253.2884 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070608/0161a970/attachment.htm From bradyc at google.com Sat Jun 9 00:29:05 2007 From: bradyc at google.com (Brady Cox) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:29:05 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: <4669C0D7.3050506@personnelware.com> References: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081306i4c126bbbs25bac6285b49f792@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706081321x1331fc7fk3ccc018af3197976@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081324r59e39b82paedb8d2b21cff55@mail.gmail.com> <4669C0D7.3050506@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <2dfd89af0706081529n61081a32p1aaef1f29ef6efb8@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I'd like to attend both events too, but it looks like I may have to miss one or the other. On 6/8/07, Carl Karsten wrote: > > Kumar McMillan wrote: > > On 6/8/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > >> I'm kind of leaning towards postponing until July. > >> > >> Anyone have any opinions on that? > > > > I vote for Jun 21 vs. pushing all the way back to July > > June 21 > > or any other June date. > > When can the speakers make it? > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Brady Cox Google Chicago DTA "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." - Abraham Lincoln -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070608/c1801b26/attachment.htm From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 00:50:59 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:50:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Interested in a Google Tech Talk? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/8/07, Susan Loh wrote: > I came across > your website and wanted to see if you'd be interested in having a Google > engineer give a tech talk at one of your monthly meetings. As of about an hour ago it looks like we've posponed our next Thursday meeting so that it doesn't collide with this Google Tech Talk : http://services.google.com/events/chicago_alumni07 Thus, it might keep things more interesting if we waited until August or later to try and do something Google Tech Talk related at ChiPy. Unless someone thinks it could mesh well and not googlefy are brains too much. Any other opinions? > Please let me know who I should contact regarding this. >From my observations it would be best to post an idea for a presentation to the group first, then when it looks like a presentation will fit into an upcoming meeting you can get in touch with the venue master for further details. Lately, said person has been Harper Reed at Skinny Corp. -Kumar From rcriii at ramsdells.net Sat Jun 9 01:01:34 2007 From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (Robert Ramsdell) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:01:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706081324r59e39b82paedb8d2b21cff55@mail.gmail.com> References: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081306i4c126bbbs25bac6285b49f792@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706081321x1331fc7fk3ccc018af3197976@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081324r59e39b82paedb8d2b21cff55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1181343694.13300.0.camel@Virginia> I'd say postpone to July. I can't make it the 21st anyways, why don't we just slam the Google meeting? On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 15:24 -0500, Chris McAvoy wrote: > I'm kind of leaning towards postponing until July. > > Anyone have any opinions on that? > > On 6/8/07, Atul Varma wrote: > > On 6/8/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > > I'm fine with postponing if everyone else is... > > > > That's fine with me, though I'd have to know when it was postponed > > to--I'm busy the weekend of the 15th, and then there's BARcamp on the > > 23-24. > > > > Should we just postpone it a week, to Thursday the 21st? > > > > - Atul > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From tcp at mac.com Sat Jun 9 16:41:58 2007 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:41:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: <1181343694.13300.0.camel@Virginia> References: <70cd2990706081238v5e2f4815ge495fa4ec8a35c8@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081306i4c126bbbs25bac6285b49f792@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370706081321x1331fc7fk3ccc018af3197976@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0706081324r59e39b82paedb8d2b21cff55@mail.gmail.com> <1181343694.13300.0.camel@Virginia> Message-ID: <1E587B00-4B60-4B22-A3AA-6BEC3F398294@mac.com> On Jun 8, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Robert Ramsdell wrote: > I'd say postpone to July. I can't make it the 21st anyways, why don't > we just slam the Google meeting? +1 -t From fitz at red-bean.com Sat Jun 9 18:37:34 2007 From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:37:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/8/07, Kumar McMillan wrote: > Only just saw this ... a tech talk by Fitz happening at the same time > as the scheduled chipy meeting on June 14th. What is the general > consensus? Is this worth post-poning the chipy meeting? I personally > am curious about Scientific Dataset Sharing ... but if someone does a > talk on Pylons then I'm torn :( Oy. I'm really sorry about the date conflict--I totally spaced on the ChiPy meeting. I'll be more careful next time. -Fitz From skip at pobox.com Sat Jun 9 19:17:34 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:17:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18026.57518.888923.547087@montanaro.dyndns.org> Brian> Oy. I'm really sorry about the date conflict--I totally spaced Brian> on the ChiPy meeting. No problem. You'll probably just get a bunch of Bronx cheers from the crowd. ;-) Skip From fitz at red-bean.com Sat Jun 9 20:15:45 2007 From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 13:15:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Google Tech Talk in Chicago (collision) In-Reply-To: <18026.57518.888923.547087@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <18026.57518.888923.547087@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On 6/9/07, skip at pobox.com wrote: > > Brian> Oy. I'm really sorry about the date conflict--I totally spaced > Brian> on the ChiPy meeting. > > No problem. You'll probably just get a bunch of Bronx cheers from the > crowd. ;-) I've had worse! :-) -Fitz From beau at open-source-staffing.com Sat Jun 9 20:21:46 2007 From: beau at open-source-staffing.com (Beau Gould) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:21:46 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] [JOB] Rails or Python Engineer, Wilmette, IL | Salary: Open Message-ID: <000a01c7aac3$0a527830$84cd9e42@BEAU> Rails or Python Engineer, Wilmette, IL | Salary: Open My client provides Fortune 500 marketers with customized, performance-based online customer acquisition solutions. They build long-term and large-scale marketing programs for select Clients, primarily in the financial services and communications industries, utilizing a closed-loop marketing process from campaign design and implementation to technology integration. This integrated approach has enabled my client to become the largest source of new customers from the online channel for most of their clients. Position Purpose: The Software Engineer is responsible for developing and deploying web-based applications and associated support programs as determined by internal and external client requirements. Primary Responsibilities: * Develop, deploy and maintain web-based applications by: * Gathering requirements from internal customers and end-users * Advising internal customers on the development resources and risks for requested functionality * Developing code using test-driven, object-oriented methodologies * Performing unit testing and integration tests * Participating in end-user acceptance testing * Incorporating end-user feedback into later iterations of the software * Document applications at the following levels: * System architecture * Source code * Administration and maintenance * End-user training and help Job Skills and Requirements: * Expert in development of web-based applications using primarily PHP5 and Python in an open-source development environment * Thorough understanding of common web and e-commerce concepts and technologies, such as: HTTP, SSL, JavaScript and variants, HTML and other client-side data formats (no graphic design skills required), XML and associated technologies, content management concepts, public-key cryptography, application and data security and privacy issues, basic TCP/IP networking * Excellent written and verbal communication skills * Ability to work well both within a team environment and independently * Highly self motivated * Comfortable working within a fast-paced, dynamic environment * Ability to prioritize and perform multiple tasks in time critical situations * Required to maintain a professional, respectful, friendly relationship with coworkers, clients and suppliers * Required to adhere to policies and procedures, confidences and contract requirements Education and/or Experience: * Bachelor's degree and/or 5 years experience relating to web-based software development * Minimum of 5 years experience developing, testing, deploying and maintaining interactive web applications in PHP environments, as well as command-line batch processing scripts in Python or PHP scripting languages * Minimum of 5 years experience with any SQL-based RDBMS (PostgreSQL experience is especially useful) in the form of writing efficient SQL queries and executing them via programming language interfaces * Object-oriented design experience a big plus, especially as related to PHP 5 development * Experience working with "agile" development methodologies, particularly Scrum teamwork and User Story development and estimation, a very big plus If you are local to the Chicago area and are authorized to work in the USA, please submit your resume and salary requirements to beau at open-source-staffing.com [Word or plain text preferred] Thank you, Beau J. Gould Open Source Staffing www.open-source-staffing.com beau at open-source-staffing.com From adrian at holovaty.com Sat Jun 9 20:42:09 2007 From: adrian at holovaty.com (Adrian Holovaty) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 13:42:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago job opportunity: Python + Web + Geodata + Public good Message-ID: Hello all, About two years ago, I presented a side project of mine, chicagocrime.org, at a Chipy meeting. Now, I'm looking to expand that site into a new startup, called EveryBlock. Essentially, it'll be chicagocrime.org on steroids. I'm putting together a crack team of Web developers here in Chicago to accomplish this, and I'm currently looking for at least one more person to join the team. We're using Python, Django and open source, so I hope it's OK to advertise the position here. Here are the *essentials* (i.e., please don't apply if you don't fit these qualifications) -- * Significant experience building Web sites (regardless of platform) * Residency in the Chicago metro area (i.e., no telecommuters) * Python experience * Experience manipulating geographic data * High familiarity with Unix * A mastery of regular expressions * A mastery of screen scraping and dealing with data in general * Strong competency in JavaScript * Interest in public service // journalism // the common good // not being evil Here are the *nice to haves* (i.e., if you fit many of these qualifications, you're a *great* candidate) -- * Experience scaling high-traffic Web sites * Experience in a lower-level, non-Python language such as C * Experience with natural-language processing * Experience using the Django Web framework * Experience at a small Web startup * A good design sensibility This is a full time gig, located in the beautiful city of Chicago. If you think you'd be a good fit, please get in touch with me by e-mailing a resume to [my first name] at everyblock.com. Thanks for reading! Adrian -- Adrian Holovaty holovaty.com | djangoproject.com | chicagocrime.org | everyblock.com From emperorcezar at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 21:31:42 2007 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 15:31:42 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] [JOB] Rails or Python Engineer, Wilmette, IL | Salary: Open In-Reply-To: <000a01c7aac3$0a527830$84cd9e42@BEAU> References: <000a01c7aac3$0a527830$84cd9e42@BEAU> Message-ID: <58a5f2220706091231m341b017doa1d70ab753ac7946@mail.gmail.com> On 6/9/07, Beau Gould wrote: > > Rails or Python Engineer, Wilmette, IL | Salary: Open This is the only place where the description says anything about Ruby or Rails? What does the job have to do with rails? My client provides Fortune 500 marketers with customized, performance-based > online customer acquisition solutions. They build long-term and > large-scale > marketing programs for select Clients, primarily in the financial services > and communications industries, utilizing a closed-loop marketing process > from campaign design and implementation to technology integration. This > integrated approach has enabled my client to become the largest source of > new customers from the online channel for most of their clients. > > Position Purpose: > > The Software Engineer is responsible for developing and deploying > web-based > applications and associated support programs as determined by internal and > external client requirements. > > Primary Responsibilities: > > * Develop, deploy and maintain web-based applications by: > * Gathering requirements from internal customers and end-users > * Advising internal customers on the development resources and risks for > requested functionality > * Developing code using test-driven, object-oriented methodologies > * Performing unit testing and integration tests > * Participating in end-user acceptance testing > * Incorporating end-user feedback into later iterations of the software > > * Document applications at the following levels: > * System architecture > * Source code > * Administration and maintenance > * End-user training and help > > Job Skills and Requirements: > > * Expert in development of web-based applications using primarily PHP5 and > Python in an open-source development environment > * Thorough understanding of common web and e-commerce concepts and > technologies, such as: HTTP, SSL, JavaScript and variants, HTML and other > client-side data formats (no graphic design skills required), XML and > associated technologies, content management concepts, public-key > cryptography, application and data security and privacy issues, basic > TCP/IP > networking > * Excellent written and verbal communication skills > * Ability to work well both within a team environment and independently > * Highly self motivated > * Comfortable working within a fast-paced, dynamic environment > * Ability to prioritize and perform multiple tasks in time critical > situations > * Required to maintain a professional, respectful, friendly relationship > with coworkers, clients and suppliers > * Required to adhere to policies and procedures, confidences and contract > requirements > > Education and/or Experience: > > * Bachelor's degree and/or 5 years experience relating to web-based > software development > * Minimum of 5 years experience developing, testing, deploying and > maintaining interactive web applications in PHP environments, as well as > command-line batch processing scripts in Python or PHP scripting languages > * Minimum of 5 years experience with any SQL-based RDBMS (PostgreSQL > experience is especially useful) in the form of writing efficient SQL > queries and executing them via programming language interfaces > * Object-oriented design experience a big plus, especially as related to > PHP > 5 development > * Experience working with "agile" development methodologies, particularly > Scrum teamwork and User Story development and estimation, a very big plus > > If you are local to the Chicago area and are authorized to work in the > USA, > please submit your resume and salary requirements to > beau at open-source-staffing.com [Word or plain text preferred] > > Thank you, > Beau J. Gould > > Open Source Staffing > www.open-source-staffing.com > beau at open-source-staffing.com > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- --------------------------------------- Adam Jenkins emperorcezar at gmail.com 312-399-5161 --------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070609/7cc84a37/attachment-0001.htm From deadwisdom at gmail.com Sun Jun 10 01:57:18 2007 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:57:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago job opportunity: Python + Web + Geodata + Public good In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <694c06d60706091657hcf4e38ar6e6d961fd9daedbb@mail.gmail.com> I wish I could clone myself. -Brant On 6/9/07, Adrian Holovaty wrote: > Hello all, > > About two years ago, I presented a side project of mine, > chicagocrime.org, at a Chipy meeting. Now, I'm looking to expand that > site into a new startup, called EveryBlock. > > Essentially, it'll be chicagocrime.org on steroids. > > I'm putting together a crack team of Web developers here in Chicago to > accomplish this, and I'm currently looking for at least one more > person to join the team. We're using Python, Django and open source, > so I hope it's OK to advertise the position here. > > Here are the *essentials* (i.e., please don't apply if you don't fit > these qualifications) -- > > * Significant experience building Web sites (regardless of platform) > * Residency in the Chicago metro area (i.e., no telecommuters) > * Python experience > * Experience manipulating geographic data > * High familiarity with Unix > * A mastery of regular expressions > * A mastery of screen scraping and dealing with data in general > * Strong competency in JavaScript > * Interest in public service // journalism // the common good // not being evil > > Here are the *nice to haves* (i.e., if you fit many of these > qualifications, you're a *great* candidate) -- > > * Experience scaling high-traffic Web sites > * Experience in a lower-level, non-Python language such as C > * Experience with natural-language processing > * Experience using the Django Web framework > * Experience at a small Web startup > * A good design sensibility > > This is a full time gig, located in the beautiful city of Chicago. > > If you think you'd be a good fit, please get in touch with me by > e-mailing a resume to [my first name] at everyblock.com. Thanks for > reading! > > Adrian > > -- > Adrian Holovaty > holovaty.com | djangoproject.com | chicagocrime.org | everyblock.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From skip at pobox.com Sun Jun 10 02:55:07 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 19:55:07 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [PSF-Members] PyCon 2007 profit/loss statement (fwd) Message-ID: <18027.19435.447140.98025@montanaro.dyndns.org> Passing this along for the folks here who are working on PyCon '08. Skip -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "A.M. Kuchling" Subject: [PSF-Members] PyCon 2007 profit/loss statement Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 19:57:14 -0400 Size: 8172 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070609/f89dae0a/attachment.mht From tcp at mac.com Sun Jun 10 06:25:49 2007 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 23:25:49 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [PSF-Members] PyCon 2007 profit/loss statement (fwd) In-Reply-To: <18027.19435.447140.98025@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <18027.19435.447140.98025@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <3AC12B01-C883-4727-96AC-8B04E3464DE8@mac.com> On Jun 9, 2007, at 7:55 PM, skip at pobox.com wrote: > > Passing this along for the folks here who are working on PyCon '08. > > Skip Thanks -- saw it and was happy to see such a balance, as PyCon actually aims to run at a small loss every year, since the PSF sees it as a worth while place to put budgeted funds... so yeah, the profit speaks to the growth of attendance and the excellent work of people like our own Carl Karsten who, for example, saved thousands for PyCon by finding cheaper options for the A/V equipment needs... -ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070609/434748ad/attachment.htm From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Sun Jun 10 06:52:04 2007 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 21:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <47123.36847.qm@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> +1 I've recently started using Pylons for a small project. Overall it's pretty easy to work with, possibly even easier than Django (although that may be moot because the Django tutorial is better written). The highlight for me is that it comes with built-in support for Mako, the new template engine from Mike Bayer (better known as the creator of SQLAlchemy). - Feihong --- Kumar McMillan wrote: > On 6/6/07, Garrett Smith wrote: > > I'm heads down in using Pylons + Genshi, which I could talk about > in > > some detail by then. Naturally, it would come with miscellaneous > strong > > opinions about frameworks and Python's role in the future of Web > app > > development :-) > > > > Any interest in this? > > +1 > > I have been looking at pylons a lot (no real code written yet) but > there are many things about it that I think make it the best option > (MHO) for a light to medium weight web framework in python. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Sun Jun 10 07:00:26 2007 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] June Meeting Presentations? In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706061434p5e974e20lf16b1d11ee36bb91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <844306.49085.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm still open to doing my talk on Windows Forms programming in Python. However, I probably can't make any meetings that aren't in downtown Chicago, so I can't predict when I'll show up next. - Feihong --- Chris McAvoy wrote: > On 6/6/07, Garrett Smith wrote: > > I'm heads down in using Pylons + Genshi, which I could talk about > in > > some detail by then. Naturally, it would come with miscellaneous > strong > > opinions about frameworks and Python's role in the future of Web > app > > development :-) > > > > Any interest in this? > > > > I'm interested. I think between this and Atul we'll have a pretty > full night. Pete, maybe you could do a really really quick > colubrid > talk? Maybe Cosmin could do a quick web.py? > > I don't want to overload us. > > As for location, Harper offered up skinnycorp again this month, I'd > like to take him up on it unless someone has another idea. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From emperorcezar at gmail.com Sun Jun 10 17:16:34 2007 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:16:34 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] [PSF-Members] PyCon 2007 profit/loss statement (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3AC12B01-C883-4727-96AC-8B04E3464DE8@mac.com> References: <18027.19435.447140.98025@montanaro.dyndns.org> <3AC12B01-C883-4727-96AC-8B04E3464DE8@mac.com> Message-ID: <58a5f2220706100816m2207f0eeqbeb22dc5cb6e4051@mail.gmail.com> Noob question. So the profits go to the PSF? On 6/10/07, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > On Jun 9, 2007, at 7:55 PM, skip at pobox.com wrote: > > > Passing this along for the folks here who are working on PyCon '08. > > > Skip > > > Thanks -- saw it and was happy to see such a balance, as PyCon actually > aims to run at a small loss every year, since the PSF sees it as a worth > while place to put budgeted funds... so yeah, the profit speaks to the > growth of attendance and the excellent work of people like our own Carl > Karsten who, for example, saved thousands for PyCon by finding cheaper > options for the A/V equipment needs... > > > -ted > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- --------------------------------------- Adam Jenkins emperorcezar at gmail.com 312-399-5161 --------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070610/010c3552/attachment.html From pfein at pobox.com Sun Jun 10 18:26:53 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:26:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [PSF-Members] PyCon 2007 profit/loss statement (fwd) In-Reply-To: <58a5f2220706100816m2207f0eeqbeb22dc5cb6e4051@mail.gmail.com> References: <18027.19435.447140.98025@montanaro.dyndns.org> <3AC12B01-C883-4727-96AC-8B04E3464DE8@mac.com> <58a5f2220706100816m2207f0eeqbeb22dc5cb6e4051@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200706101126.53991.pfein@pobox.com> On Sunday June 10 2007 10:16 am, Adam Jenkins wrote: > Noob question. So the profits go to the PSF? "The mission of the Python Software Foundation is to promote, protect, and advance the Python programming language, and to support and facilitate the growth of the international community of Python programmers." http://www.python.org/psf/ PSF is the copyright holder of Python. They do Generally Good Things for the Python Community - advocacy, unconferences (http://pycamp.python.org/), PyCon of course and on a few occasions have provided development grants, etc. -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From emperorcezar at gmail.com Sun Jun 10 18:59:28 2007 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:59:28 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] [PSF-Members] PyCon 2007 profit/loss statement (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200706101126.53991.pfein@pobox.com> References: <18027.19435.447140.98025@montanaro.dyndns.org> <3AC12B01-C883-4727-96AC-8B04E3464DE8@mac.com> <58a5f2220706100816m2207f0eeqbeb22dc5cb6e4051@mail.gmail.com> <200706101126.53991.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <58a5f2220706100959k510b4f2cr9f37b4faaa9664a2@mail.gmail.com> Don't worry. I know the PSF is a good organization. :-) I was just curious about where it went. On 6/10/07, Pete wrote: > > On Sunday June 10 2007 10:16 am, Adam Jenkins wrote: > > Noob question. So the profits go to the PSF? > > "The mission of the Python Software Foundation is to promote, protect, and > advance the Python programming language, and to support and facilitate the > growth of the international community of Python programmers." > > http://www.python.org/psf/ > > PSF is the copyright holder of Python. They do Generally Good Things for > the > Python Community - advocacy, unconferences (http://pycamp.python.org/), > PyCon > of course and on a few occasions have provided development grants, etc. > > -- > Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com > http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B > irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- --------------------------------------- Adam Jenkins emperorcezar at gmail.com 312-399-5161 --------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070610/57b274c5/attachment.html From tcp at mac.com Mon Jun 11 03:43:31 2007 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:43:31 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [PSF-Members] PyCon 2007 profit/loss statement (fwd) In-Reply-To: <58a5f2220706100959k510b4f2cr9f37b4faaa9664a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <18027.19435.447140.98025@montanaro.dyndns.org> <3AC12B01-C883-4727-96AC-8B04E3464DE8@mac.com> <58a5f2220706100816m2207f0eeqbeb22dc5cb6e4051@mail.gmail.com> <200706101126.53991.pfein@pobox.com> <58a5f2220706100959k510b4f2cr9f37b4faaa9664a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6F873788-8DBF-4D9D-A7EF-8B7346EB5D16@mac.com> On Jun 10, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Adam Jenkins wrote: > Don't worry. I know the PSF is a good organization. :-) I was just > curious about where it went. Yes, just like Pete said -- but again, the whole idea is that PyCon is supposed to operate at a break-even or slight loss... but attendance growth keeps making it a profitable venture -- and if I recall correctly, all of that money stays allocated for PyCon in years ahead... but I'm not an authoritative source on the matter -- David Goodger would be a great person to answer any questions with reliable answers =) -ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070610/410a61a0/attachment.htm From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Mon Jun 11 17:29:19 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:29:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] June / July Meeting Message-ID: <3096c19d0706110829n6f4f4ae5kf958a8fe23eb6c2@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, We haven't made a decision on the June Meeting. It seems like there's a pretty even distribution between people that want to move it back a week, and people that want to cancel until July. I'll make the decision for everyone (because I'm a decisive kind of guy), and say that we _will_ be having a meeting on June 21st at Skinnycorp (I'm assuming that we're cool there). July is Atul's month to plan. I won't be able to be at the June 21st meeting (I have a baby thing). I'll send out a meeting template thingee this week for next week's meeting. Chris From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 18:45:36 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:45:36 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [JOB] Rails or Python Engineer, Wilmette, IL | Salary: Open In-Reply-To: <58a5f2220706091231m341b017doa1d70ab753ac7946@mail.gmail.com> References: <000a01c7aac3$0a527830$84cd9e42@BEAU> <58a5f2220706091231m341b017doa1d70ab753ac7946@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Correction: the location is actually Evanston and is just off the Dempster stop on the purple and also close to the Metra Northern line. I'm a Senior SE on the team here and most of us live in Chicago, it's not a bad commute. On 6/9/07, Adam Jenkins wrote: > On 6/9/07, Beau Gould wrote: > > Rails or Python Engineer, Wilmette, IL | Salary: Open > > This is the only place where the description says anything about Ruby or > Rails? What does the job have to do with rails? Yeah, something got cut from the original description (see http://leapfrogonline.com/who/careers.php#55). the main difference is under "Our ideal candidate has..." : * Expert experience in the development of web-based applications using primarily Python (Django framework) or Ruby on Rails in an open-source development environment Since we use an SOA (service oriented architecture) approach to connect things that need to be connected, getting a specific task done is not limited to a language or tool, it's up to the developer or team and/or whatever tool is the best fit. In other words, us Python devs don't fight with the Rails folk, we just point and laugh. Kidding! It really is up to the task at hand, some new webapps we are doing will probably be in Pylons actually. The best way to apply is either through open source staffing or you can send your resume to techposition at xfer.leapfrogonline.net Feel free to contact me off the list if you'd like to know more about our development team, day to day practices, dev/production environment or anything. If you'd like to see some open source work we've done take a look at these projects: http://somethingaboutorange.com/mrl/projects/nose/ http://code.google.com/p/fixture/ http://code.google.com/p/nosetty/ We like testing ;) -Kumar > > > > My client provides Fortune 500 marketers with customized, > performance-based > > online customer acquisition solutions. They build long-term and > large-scale > > marketing programs for select Clients, primarily in the financial services > > and communications industries, utilizing a closed-loop marketing process > > from campaign design and implementation to technology integration. This > > integrated approach has enabled my client to become the largest source of > > new customers from the online channel for most of their clients. > > > > Position Purpose: > > > > The Software Engineer is responsible for developing and deploying > web-based > > applications and associated support programs as determined by internal and > > external client requirements. > > > > Primary Responsibilities: > > > > * Develop, deploy and maintain web-based applications by: > > * Gathering requirements from internal customers and end-users > > * Advising internal customers on the development resources and risks for > > requested functionality > > * Developing code using test-driven, object-oriented methodologies > > * Performing unit testing and integration tests > > * Participating in end-user acceptance testing > > * Incorporating end-user feedback into later iterations of the software > > > > * Document applications at the following levels: > > * System architecture > > * Source code > > * Administration and maintenance > > * End-user training and help > > > > Job Skills and Requirements: > > > > * Expert in development of web-based applications using primarily PHP5 and > > Python in an open-source development environment > > * Thorough understanding of common web and e-commerce concepts and > > technologies, such as: HTTP, SSL, JavaScript and variants, HTML and other > > client-side data formats (no graphic design skills required), XML and > > associated technologies, content management concepts, public-key > > cryptography, application and data security and privacy issues, basic > TCP/IP > > networking > > * Excellent written and verbal communication skills > > * Ability to work well both within a team environment and independently > > * Highly self motivated > > * Comfortable working within a fast-paced, dynamic environment > > * Ability to prioritize and perform multiple tasks in time critical > > situations > > * Required to maintain a professional, respectful, friendly relationship > > with coworkers, clients and suppliers > > * Required to adhere to policies and procedures, confidences and contract > > requirements > > > > Education and/or Experience: > > > > * Bachelor's degree and/or 5 years experience relating to web-based > > software development > > * Minimum of 5 years experience developing, testing, deploying and > > maintaining interactive web applications in PHP environments, as well as > > command-line batch processing scripts in Python or PHP scripting languages > > * Minimum of 5 years experience with any SQL-based RDBMS (PostgreSQL > > experience is especially useful) in the form of writing efficient SQL > > queries and executing them via programming language interfaces > > * Object-oriented design experience a big plus, especially as related to > PHP > > 5 development > > * Experience working with "agile" development methodologies, particularly > > Scrum teamwork and User Story development and estimation, a very big plus > > > > If you are local to the Chicago area and are authorized to work in the > USA, > > please submit your resume and salary requirements to > > beau at open-source-staffing.com [Word or plain text preferred] > > > > Thank you, > > Beau J. Gould > > > > Open Source Staffing > > www.open-source-staffing.com > > beau at open-source-staffing.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------- > Adam Jenkins > emperorcezar at gmail.com > 312-399-5161 > --------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From jason at hostedlabs.com Mon Jun 18 17:38:19 2007 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:38:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] BARcamp Chicago is this weekend! In-Reply-To: <51933.68.72.119.127.1182134921.squirrel@acm.cs.uic.edu> References: <51933.68.72.119.127.1182134921.squirrel@acm.cs.uic.edu> Message-ID: <4676A6EB.2060301@hostedlabs.com> Hi Everyone! BARcamp is this weekend (Sat-Sun, 23-24 June) and I am super excited! Everyone has really come together for this. We have a lot of great talks and ideas floating around and everyone seems to be pitching in something to help. The last organizer meet-up is tonight at Goose Island(clyborn) @ 7:00. There are also a couple other events this week worth checking out that I want to mention. Beer and ideas to get primed for BARcamp ;-) - Kristen Nicole's Web Ascent is happening Wed the 20th. http://www.webascentevents.com/ - MIT-EF has this cool Whiteboard competition happening Tue the 19th. http://www.mitefchicago.org/dojo/18/v.jsp?p=/BelowtheRadar Uuhh.. thats all I can remember. Its going to be a fun week in the Chicago tech world.. So back to BARcamp. Some of the stuff that is going to be happening this weekend is: - Dave Williams talk on building cross platform widgets with wxWidgets - FRDCSA A.I. talk on learning coding libraries through operator learning and representation - Linux install fest and lightening talks on a few special purpose distros - Tristan Sloughter teaches us how to Brew Beer at Home! - Kirix talks about their Human UI for browsing web data - MobileWeb 2.0 hackathon, building apps for mobile devices. - Perry spins the trax, live webcast for the kids at home - Humanized talks about Enso - ChicagoBeta-BARcamp Job Board - exploration, the joy of learning things and lots of liquor Some last shout-outs for help: - video peoples, help capture talks and goings on. - please bring power strips, Cat5 cables, extension cords, pillows to sit on - bring an idea for a code sprint Thats it. Looking forward to seeing you all there! -jason jason at hostedlabs.com 847.208.1000 event details: http://barcampchicago.com/ From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 19:06:55 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday! Message-ID: <3096c19d0706181006t19bd5ae0m1045ed1859f1ea15@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, Atul can't make the meeting this Thursday. Sifting through my emails, there's a couple of folks saying they may or may not speak on Thursday. Please let me know today if you can speak on Thursday... Chris From pfein at pobox.com Mon Jun 18 19:18:34 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:18:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday! In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706181006t19bd5ae0m1045ed1859f1ea15@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0706181006t19bd5ae0m1045ed1859f1ea15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200706181218.34874.pfein@pobox.com> On Monday June 18 2007 12:06 pm, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Please let me know today if you can speak on Thursday... IIRC, I was volunteered and said no. The answer's still no, as I'm driving to upstate NY the next day. Have fun (at Barcamp too, ugh, I really wanted to go to that). -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 17:51:45 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:51:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday! In-Reply-To: <200706181218.34874.pfein@pobox.com> References: <3096c19d0706181006t19bd5ae0m1045ed1859f1ea15@mail.gmail.com> <200706181218.34874.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0706190851q43805784j14dd2e42eb0bf2e0@mail.gmail.com> Ok folks...I'm saying we're skipping June (it's summer! hooray!) and just pushing back to July. If anyone has a problem with that (and can back it up with a presentation this Thursday) then speak now. Otherwise, I'll see you all in July! Chris PS. This is not the end of the world...don't fret. On 6/18/07, Pete wrote: > On Monday June 18 2007 12:06 pm, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > Please let me know today if you can speak on Thursday... > > IIRC, I was volunteered and said no. > > The answer's still no, as I'm driving to upstate NY the next day. > > Have fun (at Barcamp too, ugh, I really wanted to go to that). > > -- > Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com > http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B > irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From garrett at mojave-corp.com Tue Jun 19 17:59:40 2007 From: garrett at mojave-corp.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:59:40 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday! References: <3096c19d0706181006t19bd5ae0m1045ed1859f1ea15@mail.gmail.com><200706181218.34874.pfein@pobox.com> <3096c19d0706190851q43805784j14dd2e42eb0bf2e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C20293FA@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> I could present Thursday (was planning on talking about Web components and Python -- specifically Pylons + misc. add-ons) but can easily defer to next month. -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Chris McAvoy Sent: Tue 6/19/2007 11:51 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] Thursday! Ok folks...I'm saying we're skipping June (it's summer! hooray!) and just pushing back to July. If anyone has a problem with that (and can back it up with a presentation this Thursday) then speak now. Otherwise, I'll see you all in July! Chris PS. This is not the end of the world...don't fret. On 6/18/07, Pete wrote: > On Monday June 18 2007 12:06 pm, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > Please let me know today if you can speak on Thursday... > > IIRC, I was volunteered and said no. > > The answer's still no, as I'm driving to upstate NY the next day. > > Have fun (at Barcamp too, ugh, I really wanted to go to that). > > -- > Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com > http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B > irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070619/7776863c/attachment.html From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 19:00:40 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday! In-Reply-To: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C20293FA@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> References: <3096c19d0706181006t19bd5ae0m1045ed1859f1ea15@mail.gmail.com> <200706181218.34874.pfein@pobox.com> <3096c19d0706190851q43805784j14dd2e42eb0bf2e0@mail.gmail.com> <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C20293FA@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> Message-ID: <3096c19d0706191000te1dea16x9230b4a4692d0eae@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for stepping up Garrett. However, I think we'll push out to July. BAR Camp is this weekend...and the July meeting is just around the corner. Might as well make the July meeting our best yet...know what I mean? Chris On 6/19/07, Garrett Smith wrote: > > > > I could present Thursday (was planning on talking about Web components and > Python -- specifically Pylons + misc. add-ons) but can easily defer to next > month. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Chris McAvoy > Sent: Tue 6/19/2007 11:51 AM > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Thursday! > > Ok folks...I'm saying we're skipping June (it's summer! hooray!) and > just pushing back to July. If anyone has a problem with that (and can > back it up with a presentation this Thursday) then speak now. > > Otherwise, I'll see you all in July! > > Chris > > PS. This is not the end of the world...don't fret. > > On 6/18/07, Pete wrote: > > On Monday June 18 2007 12:06 pm, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > > Please let me know today if you can speak on Thursday... > > > > IIRC, I was volunteered and said no. > > > > The answer's still no, as I'm driving to upstate NY the next day. > > > > Have fun (at Barcamp too, ugh, I really wanted to go to that). > > > > -- > > Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com > > http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B > > irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From garrett at mojave-corp.com Tue Jun 19 20:04:19 2007 From: garrett at mojave-corp.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:04:19 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday! In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0706191000te1dea16x9230b4a4692d0eae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE35D@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> You mean with dancers? On Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:01 PM, chicago-bounces at python.org wrote: > Thanks for stepping up Garrett. However, I think we'll push out to > July. BAR Camp is this weekend...and the July meeting is just around > the corner. Might as well make the July meeting our best yet...know > what I mean? > > Chris > > On 6/19/07, Garrett Smith wrote: >> >> >> >> I could present Thursday (was planning on talking about Web >> components and Python -- specifically Pylons + misc. add-ons) but >> can easily defer to next month. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Chris McAvoy Sent: >> Tue 6/19/2007 11:51 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Thursday! >> >> Ok folks...I'm saying we're skipping June (it's summer! hooray!) and >> just pushing back to July. If anyone has a problem with that (and >> can back it up with a presentation this Thursday) then speak now. >> >> Otherwise, I'll see you all in July! >> >> Chris >> >> PS. This is not the end of the world...don't fret. >> >> On 6/18/07, Pete wrote: >> > On Monday June 18 2007 12:06 pm, Chris McAvoy wrote: >> > > Please let me know today if you can speak on Thursday... > >> > IIRC, I was volunteered and said no. >> > >> > The answer's still no, as I'm driving to upstate NY the next day. >> > > Have fun (at Barcamp too, ugh, I really wanted to go to that). >> > > -- >> > Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com >> > http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B >> > irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 20:08:03 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:08:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Thursday! In-Reply-To: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE35D@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> References: <3096c19d0706191000te1dea16x9230b4a4692d0eae@mail.gmail.com> <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C21FE35D@justexch-node02.justexchange.net> Message-ID: <3096c19d0706191108m69a044d0t3464611e8cb0b537@mail.gmail.com> On 6/19/07, Garrett Smith wrote: > You mean with dancers? That's _exactly_ what I mean. Finally someone gets me. Chris From oscar-moore at hotmail.com Fri Jun 15 11:47:01 2007 From: oscar-moore at hotmail.com (oscar moore) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:47:01 +0000 Subject: [Chicago] URGENT!!! Message-ID: DESMOND WRIGHT FABRICS&TEXTILES Malik House, 233 Bethnal Green Road, London E2 6AB. Tel:+44 7024026985 TEMPORARY JOB OFFER! 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070615/3a787652/attachment.htm From bray at sent.com Thu Jun 21 17:20:23 2007 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:20:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] August ChiPy Meeting: Python on the Mac--Snakes on Apples Message-ID: I put myself down for organizer for the August 9th Meeting. That's the meeting after next. I am starting to get things together early this time ;) I would like the topic to be "Python on the Mac". You do not have to be in favor or even own a Mac to attend and participate in this meeting. Let's face it, there are some great Python programmers who seem to be lugging around MacBooks these days. Likewise, there are some great Mac Developers who could be taking advantage of Python. I would like to explore the good and the bad. Coincidentally, The day after C4 starts. Its already sold out, but I think we can get some traffic and presenters. I still need a venue. Google? The Apple Store on Michigan Ave? BillyGoats? A Dark cave under the L? Any thoughts? Meanwhile, I will ping those related to Mac Dev and start to get some presenters. I have started a wiki page to help us organize this event: This will be the best Python or Mac Meeting ever-possibly it will be the most important event hosted my Mostly Harmless people in the Galaxy. Brian Ray bray at sent.com http://kazavoo.com/blog From pfein at pobox.com Thu Jun 21 19:08:28 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:08:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] August ChiPy Meeting: Python on the Mac--Snakes on Apples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200706211208.28618.pfein@pobox.com> On Thursday June 21 2007 10:20 am, Brian Ray wrote: > Coincidentally, The day after C4 > starts. Its already sold out, but I think we can get some traffic > and presenters. I still need a venue. Google? The Apple Store on > Michigan Ave? BillyGoats? A Dark cave under the L? Any thoughts? From the C4 site: """C4 is an indie conference for indie developers. But what does that mean? Does indie always mean ?independent?? Can you work for a BigCo and still be indie?""" Because really, all of us who aren't corporate whores can afford a $512 registration fee. The page doesn't even mention that it's a Mac conference, for goodness sake. Too bad it's full, I really wanted to hear drunkenbatman's talk. Jeez, I'm feeling snarky lately. -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 19:24:28 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:24:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] August ChiPy Meeting: Python on the Mac--Snakes on Apples In-Reply-To: <200706211208.28618.pfein@pobox.com> References: <200706211208.28618.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0706211024q631c2e76ja624386c9fa212ff@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/07, Pete wrote: > > """C4 is an indie conference for indie developers. But what does that mean? > Does indie always mean "independent"? Can you work for a BigCo and still be > indie?""" > > Because really, all of us who aren't corporate whores can afford a $512 > registration fee. Can you ever really put a pricetag on being cool? I won't be able to attend the C4 event, I'm going to be interviewing for that textiles gig mentioned in that spam I let through. The August Python on Mac thing sounds great Brian. Chris From verisimilidude at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 17:27:30 2007 From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:27:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] URGENT!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ad48f980706210827v2645d1d5mf790c0d5c70d6697@mail.gmail.com> And I suppose all the payments will be processed through a Nigerian bank whose chief officer has an account that you can help get the money out of. And whose secretary is a sexy Russian who is willing to make you very happy if you will only send him/her the money to buy a ticket to see you. From bray at sent.com Thu Jun 21 23:27:44 2007 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] URGENT!!! In-Reply-To: <6ad48f980706210827v2645d1d5mf790c0d5c70d6697@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ad48f980706210827v2645d1d5mf790c0d5c70d6697@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A00EB3E-AB67-411E-84F4-851AA8AADDEC@sent.com> On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Phil Robare wrote: > And I suppose all the payments will be processed through a Nigerian > bank whose chief officer has an account that you can help get the > money out of. And whose secretary is a sexy Russian who is willing > to make you very happy if you will only send him/her the money to buy > a ticket to see you Phil, you speak from experience? From bradyc at google.com Fri Jun 22 00:03:21 2007 From: bradyc at google.com (Brady Cox) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:03:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] URGENT!!! In-Reply-To: <4A00EB3E-AB67-411E-84F4-851AA8AADDEC@sent.com> References: <6ad48f980706210827v2645d1d5mf790c0d5c70d6697@mail.gmail.com> <4A00EB3E-AB67-411E-84F4-851AA8AADDEC@sent.com> Message-ID: <2dfd89af0706211503w6616e5e5xa17079eed367c881@mail.gmail.com> When a former king asks you for help, YOU GIVE IT! On 6/21/07, Brian Ray wrote: > > > On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Phil Robare wrote: > > > And I suppose all the payments will be processed through a Nigerian > > bank whose chief officer has an account that you can help get the > > money out of. And whose secretary is a sexy Russian who is willing > > to make you very happy if you will only send him/her the money to buy > > a ticket to see you > > Phil, you speak from experience? > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Brady Cox Google Chicago DTA "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." - Abraham Lincoln -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070621/1bf9bd7b/attachment.htm From bray at sent.com Wed Jun 27 06:21:27 2007 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:21:27 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] August ChiPy Meeting: Python on the Mac--Snakes on Apples In-Reply-To: <200706211208.28618.pfein@pobox.com> References: <200706211208.28618.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Pete wrote: > > """C4 is an indie conference for indie developers. But what does > that mean? > Does indie always mean ?independent?? Can you work for a BigCo and > still be > indie?""" Here is my stab at answering some of Wolf's question. Some possible definitions of indie: * Indie 1: Someone who is so elite, big name corps hire them as consultants * Indie 2: Someone who is Unemployed and do not want to admit it * Indie 3: (aka Indy) someone from Indianapolis Indiana * Indie 4: In the 2000s, the indie culture has had crossovers with other subcultures, including alternative, art school, hippie, emo, grungers, mods, and recently even metalheads. (ref http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_%28culture%29) By the way, I will not be attending nor do I fit any of the above definitions. Its not that I would not want to attend; Nor do I want fit any of the above definitions; its just that I forgot to register again. Instead, I would prefer to attend a ChiPy meeting: free, fun, and indiesk, at times. Cheers, Brian Ray bray at sent.com http://kazavoo.com/blog From varmaa at gmail.com Thu Jun 28 18:26:35 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:26:35 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago visit In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40706071346h3f079d0akd4c8bc5cd1224912@mail.gmail.com> References: <4335d2c40705231309g6440a4ecjc6a6b41c69e5113f@mail.gmail.com> <4335d2c40706071346h3f079d0akd4c8bc5cd1224912@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370706280926p566eddfema6c52915c8bd564c@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/07, David Goodger wrote: > > A 3-hour tour [2] costs $70. I'm going to make a reservation for the > 10am tour on Saturday July 21, and I'm inviting people to join me. By the way, anyone who wants to come with David is highly encouraged to make reservations, as they're usually sold-out on the day of the event (I recently discovered this the hard way). - Atul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070628/1973ee24/attachment.htm From clint at bluehatsecurity.com Wed Jun 27 13:35:38 2007 From: clint at bluehatsecurity.com (Clint Laskowski) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:35:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] August ChiPy Meeting: Python on the Mac--Snakes on Apples In-Reply-To: References: <200706211208.28618.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <46824B8A.2030309@bluehatsecurity.com> You forgot to mention: * Indie 5: Someone whose name or nickname is "Indie" or "Indi" as in a reference to Indiana, such as "Indiana Jones" :-) Brian Ray wrote: > On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Pete wrote: > > >> """C4 is an indie conference for indie developers. But what does >> that mean? >> Does indie always mean "independent"? Can you work for a BigCo and >> still be >> indie?""" >> > > Here is my stab at answering some of Wolf's question. Some possible > definitions of indie: > > * Indie 1: Someone who is so elite, big name corps hire them as > consultants > * Indie 2: Someone who is Unemployed and do not want to admit it > * Indie 3: (aka Indy) someone from Indianapolis Indiana > * Indie 4: In the 2000s, the indie culture has had crossovers with > other subcultures, including alternative, art school, hippie, emo, > grungers, mods, and recently even metalheads. (ref http:// > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_%28culture%29) > > By the way, I will not be attending nor do I fit any of the above > definitions. Its not that I would not want to attend; Nor do I want > fit any of the above definitions; its just that I forgot to register > again. Instead, I would prefer to attend a ChiPy meeting: free, fun, > and indiesk, at times. > > Cheers, > > Brian Ray > bray at sent.com > http://kazavoo.com/blog > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > __________ NOD32 2356 (20070627) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070627/5e828aa2/attachment.htm