From pfein at pobox.com  Thu Mar  1 00:24:41 2007
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:24:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200702281724.42594.pfein@pobox.com>

On Tuesday February 27 2007 10:03 am, sheila miguez wrote:
> The next meeting is on 3/8 unless anyone objects.
>
> Ideas for topics:
>
> Suggest ideas!

I'm likely to have a hot new open source project (my first) I could talk on.  
I'll give more details/url once we have something a little more presentable.

--Pete

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Mar  1 04:28:21 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:28:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Fwd: [Baypiggies] Did anyone see the "Code like a
 Pythonista" tutorial at PyCon?]
Message-ID: <45E64855.3040104@personnelware.com>

-------- Original Message --------
From: Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org>
To: baypiggies at python.org

Please mail me privately what you thought of it.

-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)


From goodmansond at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 21:00:37 2007
From: goodmansond at gmail.com (DeanG)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:00:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <45E4856E.6030701@colorstudy.com>
References: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5375ad50702270951o600bc372v3aed8bf83d75c6f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com>
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I coudn't find a wiki page for this and felt presumptious in creating one.
Looking foward to this session.

Any idea of when it might happen, or about how long after the next
Thursday ChiPy meeting it may be?

On 2/27/07, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:

> Yes, I'll be in town on the 8th, so the laptop will be there.  Right now
> we're trying to improve the how-do-I-develop-for-OLPC story, and
> hopefully we'll have this figured out by the end of the PyCon sprint.
> Then some weekend we could do a sprint -- ...

From goodger at python.org  Thu Mar  1 23:56:29 2007
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:56:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] seeking a home for PyCon equipment
Message-ID: <4335d2c40703011456q3b163a51s5390dccf4469588a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ChiPy folks,

We're packing up the last of the network equipment & power strips now.
Is there anyone with some space (in a basement or garage), who is
guaranteed to be there for PyCon next year? Alternatively, could
someone arrange for a self-storage place? The PSF will be happy to
reimburse. There's a month left on the local storage facility, so we'd
like to ship the equipment by the end of March.

Please let me or Jeff Rush know (jeff at taupro.com or pycon at python.org). Thanks.

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 00:01:28 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:01:28 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] seeking a home for PyCon equipment
In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40703011456q3b163a51s5390dccf4469588a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4335d2c40703011456q3b163a51s5390dccf4469588a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703011501n6ff0a850x3a2a2137205bddf8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

On 3/1/07, David Goodger <goodger at python.org> wrote:
> Hi ChiPy folks,
>
> We're packing up the last of the network equipment & power strips now.
> Is there anyone with some space (in a basement or garage), who is
> guaranteed to be there for PyCon next year? Alternatively, could
> someone arrange for a self-storage place? The PSF will be happy to
> reimburse. There's a month left on the local storage facility, so we'd
> like to ship the equipment by the end of March.

I don't have room (small condo) but can arrange for a self-storage
space if a basement doesn't present itself.  I have a car too, so I
can move stuff around (in theory, it's a small car).

If no one else steps up, shoot me an email and I'll work it through.

Chris

From cstejerean at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 00:17:54 2007
From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:17:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] seeking a home for PyCon equipment
In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40703011456q3b163a51s5390dccf4469588a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4335d2c40703011456q3b163a51s5390dccf4469588a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <276266d0703011517l2954cb7u2a99ca1cf3632a47@mail.gmail.com>

I have a two car garage with plenty of space and a couple of available
walk-in closets in my apartment. How much equipment are we talking
about?

- Cosmin

On 3/1/07, David Goodger <goodger at python.org> wrote:
> Hi ChiPy folks,
>
> We're packing up the last of the network equipment & power strips now.
> Is there anyone with some space (in a basement or garage), who is
> guaranteed to be there for PyCon next year? Alternatively, could
> someone arrange for a self-storage place? The PSF will be happy to
> reimburse. There's a month left on the local storage facility, so we'd
> like to ship the equipment by the end of March.
>
> Please let me or Jeff Rush know (jeff at taupro.com or pycon at python.org). Thanks.
>
> --
> David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Mar  2 01:22:33 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:22:33 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] seeking a home for PyCon equipment
In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40703011456q3b163a51s5390dccf4469588a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4335d2c40703011456q3b163a51s5390dccf4469588a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45E76E49.2030406@personnelware.com>

David Goodger wrote:
> Hi ChiPy folks,
> 
> We're packing up the last of the network equipment & power strips now.
> Is there anyone with some space (in a basement or garage), who is
> guaranteed to be there for PyCon next year? Alternatively, could
> someone arrange for a self-storage place? The PSF will be happy to
> reimburse. There's a month left on the local storage facility, so we'd
> like to ship the equipment by the end of March.
> 
> Please let me or Jeff Rush know (jeff at taupro.com or pycon at python.org). Thanks.
> 

I have a basement with an small doored room that could be dedicated to pycon 
stuff.

How big is the current storage, and how much is used?

Carl K

From chipy at boonstra.org  Fri Mar  2 04:52:42 2007
From: chipy at boonstra.org (chipy at boonstra.org)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:52:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <f5c6a5400703011200n7e4af480y19bba2e1fb0a48c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5375ad50702270951o600bc372v3aed8bf83d75c6f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com>
	<361b27370702271021m1cd79b08o48501d948921e5d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E4856E.6030701@colorstudy.com>
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Message-ID: <54569.75.21.76.186.1172807562.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>

The Wiki shows the location for the next meeting to be DePaul.  I presume
that is incorrect?

  - Brian


From chipy at boonstra.org  Fri Mar  2 05:04:53 2007
From: chipy at boonstra.org (chipy at boonstra.org)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:04:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2008... Networking Guru?
In-Reply-To: <4424851C-4255-422A-A930-A73435B3F870@uchicago.edu>
References: <4424851C-4255-422A-A930-A73435B3F870@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <54606.75.21.76.186.1172808293.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>

> Hey there -- Does anyone within ChiPy's reach have any solid
> experience with networking and dealing with ISP's -- particularly
> ISPs in the Chicago area?
>
> If not, can you put us in touch with anyone who has?
>
> We're looking to set the basic requirements for the networking for
> pycon 2008 and we'd really like to have a local expert in this field
> as we begin to deal with the hotel on this issue, before contracts
> are signed.

My wife and I are friends of the owner of Hostway.com.  I can check with him.

  - Brian




From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu  Fri Mar  2 05:22:14 2007
From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 22:22:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
References: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com><a5375ad50702270951o600bc372v3aed8bf83d75c6f9@mail.gmail.com><45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com><361b27370702271021m1cd79b08o48501d948921e5d2@mail.gmail.com><45E4856E.6030701@colorstudy.com><f5c6a5400703011200n7e4af480y19bba2e1fb0a48c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<54569.75.21.76.186.1172807562.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>
Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781987@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>

I have not made arrangements for March. My understanding is that there was already an agreed upon location.
Let me know if I need to find a room. 
 
Massimo
 
Massimo Di Pierro 
CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 
Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>  
Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/

________________________________

From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of chipy at boonstra.org
Sent: Thu 3/1/2007 9:52 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] next meeting



The Wiki shows the location for the next meeting to be DePaul.  I presume
that is incorrect?

  - Brian

_______________________________________________
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From ken at stox.org  Fri Mar  2 05:26:45 2007
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:26:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] chipy@boonstra.org
In-Reply-To: <54606.75.21.76.186.1172808293.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>
References: <4424851C-4255-422A-A930-A73435B3F870@uchicago.edu>
	<54606.75.21.76.186.1172808293.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>
Message-ID: <1172809605.7164.18.camel@stox.dyndns.org>

On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 20:04 -0800, chipy at boonstra.org wrote:
> My wife and I are friends of the owner of Hostway.com.  I can check with him.

If I am not mistaken, Hostway is also a Python shop. You might want to
play that angle too. 

-Ken Stox
 ken at stox.org


From samir.list at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 02:59:09 2007
From: samir.list at gmail.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:59:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Flourish Registration
Message-ID: <1e6142750703011759q35e6dd46y18814c1f44aae36c@mail.gmail.com>

If this is too off-topic for your mailing list, please disregard and let me
know so I won't send any more postings.

---------------------------------------
Hello everyone,

For those who aren't aware, Flourish is a conference being hosted
at UIC that will be focusing on Free and Open Source software. I've
included the original Open Invite in this email, and if you have an
interest please visit the website for more info.
(http://www.flourishconf.com).

The event will be free for anyone to attend (who pre-registers). For
anyone who doesn't register there will be a $10 fee.

Also, IF (big if) we do get t-shirts for the event, those who register
get complimentary t-shirts, those who don't will be able to purchase
one if we have any left over.

If you're planning to attend, please register at:

http://www.flourishconf.com/registration.php

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.


--
Regards
Samir Faci
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From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Mar  2 15:35:18 2007
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:35:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <54569.75.21.76.186.1172807562.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>
References: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com>
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On 3/1/07, chipy at boonstra.org <chipy at boonstra.org> wrote:
> The Wiki shows the location for the next meeting to be DePaul.  I presume
> that is incorrect?

I changed it to "Google (details to follow)", and when we know the
details the page can be updated.

Feihong's talk was listed, and I added

   All about PyCon

   Ian will bring his OLCP laptop for small children

   and much, much more

and I hope someone updates it with spiffier descriptions.

-- 
sheila

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 16:17:14 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:17:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640703020635j5c8b8481je6ac2c48b60b6853@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3096c19d0703020717j2a2845apd5b0693f369f6420@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/2/07, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> On 3/1/07, chipy at boonstra.org <chipy at boonstra.org> wrote:
> > The Wiki shows the location for the next meeting to be DePaul.  I presume
> > that is incorrect?
>
> I changed it to "Google (details to follow)", and when we know the
> details the page can be updated.
>
> Feihong's talk was listed, and I added
>
>    All about PyCon
>
>    Ian will bring his OLCP laptop for small children
>
>    and much, much more

Pete offered to present a project he came up with during the Pycon
sprints.  He released code, and it's pretty neat.

Chris

From goodmansond at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 16:43:05 2007
From: goodmansond at gmail.com (DeanG)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:43:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703020717j2a2845apd5b0693f369f6420@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for updating the information about the next ChiPy meeting.

I read Ian's original email stating that he may hold a Chicago Sprint
around XO Sugar development, which I interpreted as separate from the
ChiPy Thursday meeting.  That was what I was hoping to find more
information on the wiki about.  Sorry for any confusion.

- Dean

From skip at pobox.com  Fri Mar  2 17:17:22 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:17:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] seeking a home for PyCon equipment
In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40703011456q3b163a51s5390dccf4469588a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4335d2c40703011456q3b163a51s5390dccf4469588a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17896.19986.39529.794767@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    David> We're packing up the last of the network equipment & power strips
    David> now.  Is there anyone with some space (in a basement or garage),
    David> who is guaranteed to be there for PyCon next year? Alternatively,
    David> could someone arrange for a self-storage place? The PSF will be
    David> happy to reimburse. There's a month left on the local storage
    David> facility, so we'd like to ship the equipment by the end of March.

David & Jeff,

I have basement and attic space available.  I'm in Evanston, and am not
going anywhere.  How much stuff do you have?

Skip

From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Mar  2 17:19:54 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:19:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <a5375ad50702272051w3eb12eb4p57edeb7391a1468a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com>	<a5375ad50702270951o600bc372v3aed8bf83d75c6f9@mail.gmail.com>	<2B53F622-5429-4B2B-8218-1EDA61156193@mac.com>
	<a5375ad50702272051w3eb12eb4p57edeb7391a1468a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45E84EAA.60307@personnelware.com>

Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On 2/27/07, Ted Pollari <tcp at mac.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 27, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/27/07, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> The next meeting is on 3/8 unless anyone objects.
>>> Do we need a meeting place?  I'll *actually* be in town, so I can
>>> probably host at Google if that works for people.
>>>
>>> -Fitz
>>
>> This sounds like an excellent plan to me.  Seeing as we've had a
>> bunch of people say yes to this, let's consider it done?
> 
> I've set the ball rolling on my end.
> 

Hows the ball doing?



From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Mar  2 17:37:22 2007
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:37:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <f5c6a5400703020743k6605c21ctbfc0797dc37b6eec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5375ad50702270951o600bc372v3aed8bf83d75c6f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com>
	<361b27370702271021m1cd79b08o48501d948921e5d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E4856E.6030701@colorstudy.com>
	<f5c6a5400703011200n7e4af480y19bba2e1fb0a48c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<54569.75.21.76.186.1172807562.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>
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	<f5c6a5400703020743k6605c21ctbfc0797dc37b6eec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640703020837x5fa8e4e6h1264502b8c80dd7b@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/2/07, DeanG <goodmansond at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for updating the information about the next ChiPy meeting.
>
> I read Ian's original email stating that he may hold a Chicago Sprint
> around XO Sugar development, which I interpreted as separate from the
> ChiPy Thursday meeting.  That was what I was hoping to find more
> information on the wiki about.  Sorry for any confusion.

Don't be shy about editing the wiki page. I am a jonny-come-lately and
edit it all the time.


-- 
sheila

From samir.list at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 21:13:22 2007
From: samir.list at gmail.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:13:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Flourish Registration
In-Reply-To: <1e6142750703011759q35e6dd46y18814c1f44aae36c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e6142750703011759q35e6dd46y18814c1f44aae36c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e6142750703021213w784f7547i945f73383c13b730@mail.gmail.com>

If this is too off-topic for your mailing list, please disregard and let me
know so I won't send any more postings.

---------------------------------------
Hello everyone,

For those who aren't aware, Flourish is a conference being hosted
at UIC that will be focusing on Free and Open Source software. I've
included the original Open Invite link at the bottom of my email, and if you
have an
interest please visit the website for more info.
( http://www.flourishconf.com).

The event will be free for anyone to attend (who pre-registers). For
anyone who doesn't register there will be a $10 fee.

Also, IF (big if) we do get t-shirts for the event, those who register
get complimentary t-shirts, those who don't will be able to purchase
one if we have any left over.

If you're planning to attend, please register at:

http://www.flourishconf.com/registration.php

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.

OpenLetter:  http://www.flourishconf.com/docs/ShortOpenInvite.pdf


--
Regards
Samir Faci
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From fitz at red-bean.com  Sat Mar  3 04:14:49 2007
From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:14:49 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640703020635j5c8b8481je6ac2c48b60b6853@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5375ad50702270951o600bc372v3aed8bf83d75c6f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com>
	<361b27370702271021m1cd79b08o48501d948921e5d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E4856E.6030701@colorstudy.com>
	<f5c6a5400703011200n7e4af480y19bba2e1fb0a48c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<54569.75.21.76.186.1172807562.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>
	<a68ced640703020635j5c8b8481je6ac2c48b60b6853@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5375ad50703021914l1d40b6b3y429605667f9fd100@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/2/07, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> On 3/1/07, chipy at boonstra.org <chipy at boonstra.org> wrote:
> > The Wiki shows the location for the next meeting to be DePaul.  I presume
> > that is incorrect?
>
> I changed it to "Google (details to follow)", and when we know the
> details the page can be updated.

I've updated the page with the details.

Thanks,

-Fitz

From fitz at red-bean.com  Sun Mar  4 00:55:56 2007
From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:55:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Flourish Registration
In-Reply-To: <1e6142750703011759q35e6dd46y18814c1f44aae36c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e6142750703011759q35e6dd46y18814c1f44aae36c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5375ad50703031555i3a1a227au448fe9fc48ae1ce6@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/1/07, Samir Faci <samir.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> If this is too off-topic for your mailing list, please disregard and let me
> know so I won't send any more postings.

No worries, but I have to say that Ian Bicking's bio is *fascinating*!

    http://www.flourishconf.com/ian_bicking.php

I had no idea that his real name is Jason Rexilius--that's cool stuff.

-Fitz

PS :-)

From samir.list at gmail.com  Sun Mar  4 05:05:46 2007
From: samir.list at gmail.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:05:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Flourish Registration
In-Reply-To: <a5375ad50703031555i3a1a227au448fe9fc48ae1ce6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e6142750703011759q35e6dd46y18814c1f44aae36c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5375ad50703031555i3a1a227au448fe9fc48ae1ce6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e6142750703032005w62544853x49bc923370ec60d3@mail.gmail.com>

Okay.. okay.. apparently working at late hours and expecting my vp to pickup
on my goof ups doesn't work well.

I'll update the bios, but I blanked it out for now.

Thanks for catching it though.

--
Samir

On 3/3/07, Brian W. Fitzpatrick <fitz at red-bean.com> wrote:
>
> On 3/1/07, Samir Faci <samir.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If this is too off-topic for your mailing list, please disregard and let
> me
> > know so I won't send any more postings.
>
> No worries, but I have to say that Ian Bicking's bio is *fascinating*!
>
>     http://www.flourishconf.com/ian_bicking.php
>
> I had no idea that his real name is Jason Rexilius--that's cool stuff.
>
> -Fitz
>
> PS :-)
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From rcriii at ramsdells.net  Mon Mar  5 15:32:28 2007
From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (Robert Ramsdell)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:32:28 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Car-pool this Thursday
Message-ID: <1173105148.4516.3.camel@Virginia>

I will be coming to the meeting from my office in Oakbrook this
Thursday.  Does anyone wish to share a ride downtown?

Robert


From szybalski at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 00:53:53 2007
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:53:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Editor]Python Auto Fill
Message-ID: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
On one of the presentations on the dabo somebody used a editor that
fills in the code for you. Namely you type in
import xml. and you get a list of (dom sax etc....)
What editor would do that? Do you guys know of any plug in that does that?


Thanks,
Lucas

From pfein at pobox.com  Tue Mar  6 01:06:56 2007
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:06:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Editor]Python Auto Fill
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200703051806.57015.pfein@pobox.com>

On Monday March 5 2007 5:53 pm, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> Hello,
> On one of the presentations on the dabo somebody used a editor that
> fills in the code for you. Namely you type in
> import xml. and you get a list of (dom sax etc....)
> What editor would do that? Do you guys know of any plug in that does that?

Could be WingIDE: www.wingware.com.  

Wing is awesome.  Think a little like Eclipse, but without all the Java 
ruining it for you.[1]

Free 30 days, great support & they're a pycon sponsor.  Good people.

--Pete

[1] So I'm told. I've never actually written Java.  In anything.

From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Mar  6 01:07:23 2007
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:07:23 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] kid programmers
Message-ID: <a68ced640703051607g16250847n5c271b1c4f860d42@mail.gmail.com>

In another online place I frequent, one of the dads reported that his
once-eager-to-be-a-game-programmer son has given up on programming
because of this crappy class that has completely crushed his interest.

a total nightmare.

java programming

and the pre-req for the class was some sort of "here is how you use MS Word"

I gave him the pygame link posted here and suggested that maybe
someone could run his kid through a tutorial if he wanted to try
again. (where someone is me as a last resort, but I'd like someone who
has mad gamer skillz instead)

-- 
sheila

From varmaa at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 01:11:38 2007
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:11:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Editor]Python Auto Fill
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <361b27370703051611k3e135ff5j3a3e6f7e488442c6@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/07, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> On one of the presentations on the dabo somebody used a editor that
> fills in the code for you. Namely you type in
> import xml. and you get a list of (dom sax etc....)
> What editor would do that? Do you guys know of any plug in that does that?

If you use Emacs, I have a custom setup that using Pymacs that does
that, along with a number of other things that collectively turn any
Emacs buffer into a python interpreter.  If anyone's interested, I
could package it up and post it.

- Atul

From ed at leafe.com  Tue Mar  6 01:17:23 2007
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:17:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [Editor]Python Auto Fill
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <466B4A6A-862C-4659-A9EB-E164A05B18A5@leafe.com>

On Mar 5, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:

> On one of the presentations on the dabo somebody used a editor that
> fills in the code for you. Namely you type in
> import xml. and you get a list of (dom sax etc....)
> What editor would do that? Do you guys know of any plug in that  
> does that?

	The wxPython stc (styled text control), which is based on Scintilla,  
offers this. It's also in PyShell, the interactive interpreter for  
wxPython written by Patrick O'Brien.

	The Dabo Editor is based on wx.stc, and the Dabo Command Window is  
based on PyShell.

-- Ed Leafe
-- http://leafe.com
-- http://dabodev.com



From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Mar  6 01:45:44 2007
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:45:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Editor]Python Auto Fill
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640703051644o57292b6bgf8dc5b10f3b2a19c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
	<200703051806.57015.pfein@pobox.com>
	<a68ced640703051644o57292b6bgf8dc5b10f3b2a19c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640703051645i5247718ch2f33e7e8bec32258@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/07, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> On 3/5/07, Pete <pfein at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > [1] So I'm told. I've never actually written Java.  In anything.
>
> Java is really annoying. I can't believe they'd be teaching it to high
> school kids (or middle school? I can't remember the age of the kid I
> heard about who was being taught about programming games--in Java.
> ugh.)
         ^^
holy-crap I just failed the lisp class




-- 
sheila

From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Mar  6 01:44:55 2007
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:44:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Editor]Python Auto Fill
In-Reply-To: <200703051806.57015.pfein@pobox.com>
References: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
	<200703051806.57015.pfein@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640703051644o57292b6bgf8dc5b10f3b2a19c@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/07, Pete <pfein at pobox.com> wrote:

>
> [1] So I'm told. I've never actually written Java.  In anything.

Java is really annoying. I can't believe they'd be teaching it to high
school kids (or middle school? I can't remember the age of the kid I
heard about who was being taught about programming games--in Java.
ugh.)

I found this book over the weekend

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheila/410019496/

It is completely awesome.


-- 
sheila

From racter at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 02:47:07 2007
From: racter at gmail.com (jake elliott)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:47:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] hackmeeting longer txt
Message-ID: <fb60813e0703051747xdcef355uf1b5adbcd86146a9@mail.gmail.com>

hi folx -- hope you'll forward this (longer, clearer) txt recklessly &
consider participating in chicago's third hackmeeting next weekend
march 17-18 @ the flowershop/daisychain.

flyer: http://hackmeetingwiki.dai5ychain.net/images/chi_hm_003_flyer.png

(also there are some high-res printable versions of the flyer on the
hackmeeting wiki).

xox0xFF,
jake

==========__=================
Hackers, activists, artists, educators: come develop the third
Chicago/great lakes hackmeeting - March 17-18 2007 at the flowershop
(2159 w 21st place, Chicago IL 60608).  Free workshops, discussions
and presentations on art, activism & technology; free vegan food all
weekend.

Chicago hackmeetings are free conferences organized collaboratively by
a rotating crew of hackers, activists and artists to host skillsharing
workshops, critical discussions and presentations on hacktivist
projects.

Scheduling and organizing Chicago hackmeetings is a public activity,
open to anyone to contribute at public meetings or on the website:
http://hackmeeting.dai5ychain.net/

This third Chicago hackmeeting is loosely themed around education as a
component of radical social practice and educational institutions as
sites of resistance.  Talks/workshops/discussions already being
planned include:

+ Inside the One Laptop Per Child project (laptop.org) and how
electronic constructivist educational theories are being put into
practice.
+ Counter-recruitment in chicago schools.
+ Workshops on circuit-bending, net graffiti and electronic civil disobedience.
+ Open hack sessions : live coding collaborative software projects.
+ Live performances and screenings Saturday night and an Artware
Deathmatch Sunday night.

Come contribute to the hackmeeting-in-process at
http://hackmeeting.dai5ychain.net/ and join us on March 17-18th at the
Flowershop (2159 w 21st pl chi.il.us).  Workshops start Saturday
morning at 11AM and run until Sunday night at 10PM.

This Chicago hackmeeting is hosted by Daisychain and BUSKER and
organized by the people.

FLYER: http://hackmeetingwiki.dai5ychain.net/images/chi_hm_003_flyer.png

From maney at two14.net  Tue Mar  6 05:17:13 2007
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:17:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Editor]Python Auto Fill
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640703051644o57292b6bgf8dc5b10f3b2a19c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
	<200703051806.57015.pfein@pobox.com>
	<a68ced640703051644o57292b6bgf8dc5b10f3b2a19c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070306041713.GB18683@furrr.two14.net>

On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 06:44:55PM -0600, sheila miguez wrote:
> I found this book over the weekend
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheila/410019496/
> 
> It is completely awesome.

OMG, a flash from the past!

I don't believe I ever owned that one, but it's so familiar I'm
thinking Eric or Tom must have had a copy.  Those were crazy times,
when computers had paddle switches and there were even occasions for
using them...

-- 
Hebb's dictum:  If it isn't worth doing, it isn't worth doing well.


From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Mar  6 05:48:00 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:48:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Editor]Python Auto Fill
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45ECF280.8040708@personnelware.com>

Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> Hello,
> On one of the presentations on the dabo somebody used a editor that
> fills in the code for you. Namely you type in
> import xml. and you get a list of (dom sax etc....)
> What editor would do that? Do you guys know of any plug in that does that?

SPE does.  http://pythonide.stani.be

I like it, but I certainly haven't tried them all.  One of the things I like is 
it is written in python, so when the day comes that I want it to do something it 
doesn't, I have the chance to enhance it.  that day will come - it always does.

Carl K

From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Mar  6 14:13:14 2007
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 07:13:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <a5375ad50703021914l1d40b6b3y429605667f9fd100@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5375ad50702270951o600bc372v3aed8bf83d75c6f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com>
	<361b27370702271021m1cd79b08o48501d948921e5d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E4856E.6030701@colorstudy.com>
	<f5c6a5400703011200n7e4af480y19bba2e1fb0a48c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<54569.75.21.76.186.1172807562.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>
	<a68ced640703020635j5c8b8481je6ac2c48b60b6853@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5375ad50703021914l1d40b6b3y429605667f9fd100@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640703060513sdb386e0k655957f76f64d1f0@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/2/07, Brian W. Fitzpatrick <fitz at red-bean.com> wrote:
> On 3/2/07, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> > On 3/1/07, chipy at boonstra.org <chipy at boonstra.org> wrote:
> > > The Wiki shows the location for the next meeting to be DePaul.  I presume
> > > that is incorrect?
> >
> > I changed it to "Google (details to follow)", and when we know the
> > details the page can be updated.
>
> I've updated the page with the details.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Fitz

Thank you kindly.

When does the http://chipy.org/publicity meeting announcement usually
get sent out?

-- 
sheila

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 15:53:48 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:53:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640703060513sdb386e0k655957f76f64d1f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640702270803y6cc7f53fsb539b05fd859c82a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5375ad50702270951o600bc372v3aed8bf83d75c6f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E47248.9080804@personnelware.com>
	<361b27370702271021m1cd79b08o48501d948921e5d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E4856E.6030701@colorstudy.com>
	<f5c6a5400703011200n7e4af480y19bba2e1fb0a48c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<54569.75.21.76.186.1172807562.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>
	<a68ced640703020635j5c8b8481je6ac2c48b60b6853@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5375ad50703021914l1d40b6b3y429605667f9fd100@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640703060513sdb386e0k655957f76f64d1f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703060653n68338283s9a234af2165a3368@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/07, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> When does the http://chipy.org/publicity meeting announcement usually
> get sent out?

I was planning on doing it today...if someone else gets to it first,
have at it.  There's a template on the wiki...

Chris

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 19:11:24 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:11:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Baby Vote!
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703061011hc8fc7c0ka3d2dcfa8d76e4ae@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Nerds,

http://lonelylion.com/baby_vote

My wife is pregnant, she's due August 17th.  We find out if it's a boy
or a girl next week.  In the meantime, I set up that app for you to
vote what you think it is, and what you'd name it.

For the record, if it's a girl we're naming her Perl, and if it's a
boy we're naming him Wil.

Have at it.

Chris

From tcp at mac.com  Tue Mar  6 20:49:00 2007
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:49:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2008... Networking Guru?
In-Reply-To: <54606.75.21.76.186.1172808293.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>
References: <4424851C-4255-422A-A930-A73435B3F870@uchicago.edu>
	<54606.75.21.76.186.1172808293.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>
Message-ID: <CFBF98FA-8ACA-4F3C-B082-1D19EC8DAB1D@mac.com>


On Mar 1, 2007, at 10:04 PM, chipy at boonstra.org wrote:

> My wife and I are friends of the owner of Hostway.com.  I can check  
> with him.
>
>   - Brian

Have you had any luck with the folks at Hostway?  We're at a point  
where it'd be good to have someone more on top of networking than I  
am on board -- the PyCon organizers are reviewing the contract and  
are hoping to nail down the networking, as a part of the hotel  
contract  sooner rather than later, so any help would be great!


Thanks,
-Ted



From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 21:03:47 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:03:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>

Chicago Python User Group
=========================

Come join us for our best meeting ever!  Pizza and drinks will be
served, courtesy of Google.  RSVP's are not needed, but are
encouraged.  Write chris.mcavoy at gmail.com with the subject line "RSVP
Chipy"

Topics
------

* PyCon 2007 re-cap
* "Unicode for Small Children (and Children at Heart)" by Feihong Hsu
* Ian Bicking will bring his OLPC laptop (http://laptop.org) and will
discuss ideas for a Chicago Sprint around XO Sugar development
* Pete Fein will present a project he came up with during the Pycon
sprints, "GrassyKnoll"

Location
--------

Google's Chicago office
20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor
Chicago, IL 60610

Location description:
"18 story glass and steel building on the Northwest corner of Dearborn
and Kinzie."
"Across the street from Harry Carey's"
"Upstairs from Keefer's restaurant"

* Map <http://tinyurl.com/ee8my>

Enter via the lobby on the South side of the building, between Keefer's
restaurant and Keefer's cafe.

Street (meter) parking is kinda sorta available in the area. Garage and
lot parking is also available Southwest and East of our building.

 1. The closest "L" stop is Grand on the Red Line and Clark/Lake on the
 "Blue/Green/Orange/Brown/Purple Line". (All are about an 8 minute walk
 from Google)
 2. The closest Metra station is the Ogilvie Transportation Center (in
 the Citibank building) (about 20 minutes walk or take the Riverbus)
 3. The closest River Bus stop is at Michigan Avenue (By the Wrigley
 Building at 2 North Riverside Plaza.
 (<http://www.wendellariverbus.com/rbdock.htm>) ;-)
 4. The nearest helipad is at the mouth of the river, near Navy Pier.
 Obtain security clearance before landing.

About ChiPy
-----------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
Python website: <http://python.org>

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 21:36:26 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:36:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703061236r64ba9d74wd9f8d5f5b9b2b2e6@mail.gmail.com>

For the curious, this meeting will be held at 7pm.

Special thanks to "Bradley Slavik", the winner of our "spot the typos"
contest.  Bradley will be receiving his prize of knowledge (and Pizza)
Thursday, March 8th at 7pm.

Chris

On 3/6/07, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Chicago Python User Group
> =========================
>
> Come join us for our best meeting ever!  Pizza and drinks will be
> served, courtesy of Google.  RSVP's are not needed, but are
> encouraged.  Write chris.mcavoy at gmail.com with the subject line "RSVP
> Chipy"
>
> Topics
> ------
>
> * PyCon 2007 re-cap
> * "Unicode for Small Children (and Children at Heart)" by Feihong Hsu
> * Ian Bicking will bring his OLPC laptop (http://laptop.org) and will
> discuss ideas for a Chicago Sprint around XO Sugar development
> * Pete Fein will present a project he came up with during the Pycon
> sprints, "GrassyKnoll"
>
> Location
> --------
>
> Google's Chicago office
> 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor
> Chicago, IL 60610
>
> Location description:
> "18 story glass and steel building on the Northwest corner of Dearborn
> and Kinzie."
> "Across the street from Harry Carey's"
> "Upstairs from Keefer's restaurant"
>
> * Map <http://tinyurl.com/ee8my>
>
> Enter via the lobby on the South side of the building, between Keefer's
> restaurant and Keefer's cafe.
>
> Street (meter) parking is kinda sorta available in the area. Garage and
> lot parking is also available Southwest and East of our building.
>
>  1. The closest "L" stop is Grand on the Red Line and Clark/Lake on the
>  "Blue/Green/Orange/Brown/Purple Line". (All are about an 8 minute walk
>  from Google)
>  2. The closest Metra station is the Ogilvie Transportation Center (in
>  the Citibank building) (about 20 minutes walk or take the Riverbus)
>  3. The closest River Bus stop is at Michigan Avenue (By the Wrigley
>  Building at 2 North Riverside Plaza.
>  (<http://www.wendellariverbus.com/rbdock.htm>) ;-)
>  4. The nearest helipad is at the mouth of the river, near Navy Pier.
>  Obtain security clearance before landing.
>
> About ChiPy
> -----------
>
> ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
> Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
> Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
> efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.
>
> ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
> ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
> Python website: <http://python.org>
>

From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Mar  6 21:43:05 2007
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:43:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2008... Networking Guru?
In-Reply-To: <CFBF98FA-8ACA-4F3C-B082-1D19EC8DAB1D@mac.com>
References: <4424851C-4255-422A-A930-A73435B3F870@uchicago.edu>
	<54606.75.21.76.186.1172808293.squirrel@webmail.boonstra.org>
	<CFBF98FA-8ACA-4F3C-B082-1D19EC8DAB1D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640703061243h6e0ba820jba2e200df406d249@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/07, Ted Pollari <tcp at mac.com> wrote:
>
> On Mar 1, 2007, at 10:04 PM, chipy at boonstra.org wrote:
>
> > My wife and I are friends of the owner of Hostway.com.  I can check
> > with him.
> >
> >   - Brian
>
> Have you had any luck with the folks at Hostway?  We're at a point
> where it'd be good to have someone more on top of networking than I
> am on board -- the PyCon organizers are reviewing the contract and
> are hoping to nail down the networking, as a part of the hotel
> contract  sooner rather than later, so any help would be great!

Someone recommended http://www.sparkplug.net/

He used to work for the CIO and he has a few wireless links to them.
They do gig+. cheaper than leased lines. He doesn't know if they have
coverage in Rosemont though.

-- 
sheila

From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Mar  6 22:05:48 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:05:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45EDD7AC.7020103@personnelware.com>

Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Chicago Python User Group
> =========================
> 
> Come join us for our best meeting ever!  Pizza and drinks will be
> served, courtesy of Google.  RSVP's are not needed, but are
> encouraged.  Write chris.mcavoy at gmail.com with the subject line "RSVP
> Chipy"
> 
> Topics
> ------
> 
> * PyCon 2007 re-cap
> * "Unicode for Small Children (and Children at Heart)" by Feihong Hsu
> * Ian Bicking will bring his OLPC laptop (http://laptop.org) and will
> discuss ideas for a Chicago Sprint around XO Sugar development
> * Pete Fein will present a project he came up with during the Pycon
> sprints, "GrassyKnoll"
> 
> Location
> --------
> 
> Google's Chicago office
> 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor
> Chicago, IL 60610
> 
> Location description:
> "18 story glass and steel building on the Northwest corner of Dearborn
> and Kinzie."
> "Across the street from Harry Carey's"
> "Upstairs from Keefer's restaurant"
> 
> * Map <http://tinyurl.com/ee8my>

Betty says N 41? 43.362' W87? 37.653'
(no indication of altitude at this time.)





From tcp at mac.com  Tue Mar  6 22:10:19 2007
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:10:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <868EC1FC-CE81-4D3A-8E65-E325A0C10133@mac.com>


On Mar 6, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Chris McAvoy wrote:

> Topics
> ------
>
> * PyCon 2007 re-cap
> * "Unicode for Small Children (and Children at Heart)" by Feihong Hsu
> * Ian Bicking will bring his OLPC laptop (http://laptop.org) and will
> discuss ideas for a Chicago Sprint around XO Sugar development
> * Pete Fein will present a project he came up with during the Pycon
> sprints, "GrassyKnoll"

my 2 bits:

1. BUTTONS  If you had me make you a button, I'll have them at this  
meeting (if you didn't get them from me @ PyCon)

2. Perhaps a little bit of talk about PyCon 2008.  w00t.

If you want to get involved, check out the PyCon organizers list:
Pycon-organizers mailing list
Pycon-organizers at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-organizers


-ted


From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Mar  6 22:15:05 2007
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:15:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
In-Reply-To: <45EDD7AC.7020103@personnelware.com>
References: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<45EDD7AC.7020103@personnelware.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640703061315r2402c399pcacfa386486e0d79@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/07, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> Chris McAvoy wrote:

> > * Map <http://tinyurl.com/ee8my>
>
> Betty says N 41? 43.362' W87? 37.653'
> (no indication of altitude at this time.)

holy shit they've got icons for the el stops.

-- 
sheila

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Mar  6 22:46:09 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:46:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640703061315r2402c399pcacfa386486e0d79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<45EDD7AC.7020103@personnelware.com>
	<a68ced640703061315r2402c399pcacfa386486e0d79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17901.57633.690829.129098@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    sheila> holy shit they've got icons for the el stops.

Yeah, I noticed that in Google Earth a few days ago.  When I rolled my mouse
over Metra or L stops a tooltip popped up telling me what it was.  I
happened to be looking at Evanston, but I suppose prominent buildings in the
Loop be similarly highlighted.

Skip

From fitz at red-bean.com  Tue Mar  6 23:38:53 2007
From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:38:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5375ad50703061438o2d195da1yd5d00440c5e4838f@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/07, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Location
> --------
>
> Google's Chicago office
> 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor
> Chicago, IL 60610
>
> Location description:
> "18 story glass and steel building on the Northwest corner of Dearborn
> and Kinzie."

North*east* corner.

The Northwest corner is, um, kind of not yet finished being built.

-Fitz

From tottinge at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 06:13:04 2007
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:13:04 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] kid programmers
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640703051607g16250847n5c271b1c4f860d42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640703051607g16250847n5c271b1c4f860d42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a975a1ef0703062113r3634fe1fkb6cb16dd9d98d80f@mail.gmail.com>

My youngest has asked me to teach him to program.  I think I'll
take notes and write up a programming tutorial using python
(because it's easy).   Maybe I'll call it "How to Program At All",
for those who can't program at all. :0)
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From maney at two14.net  Wed Mar  7 13:05:08 2007
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:05:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
In-Reply-To: <a5375ad50703061438o2d195da1yd5d00440c5e4838f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5375ad50703061438o2d195da1yd5d00440c5e4838f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070307120508.GA19370@furrr.two14.net>

On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 04:38:53PM -0600, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> The Northwest corner is, um, kind of not yet finished being built.

Is that like being in beta?

-- 
I personally refuse to use inferior tools because of ideology.  In
fact, I will go as far as saying that making excuses for bad tools
due to ideology is _stupid_, and people who do that think with
their gonads, not their brains.  -- Linus


From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 17:29:12 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:29:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python Source?
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703070829v7bf5d7cco91c109eef63830dd@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

As an idea for a future meeting, is anyone on list familiar with the
Python source enough to give a tour?  Nothing huge, but I'm sort of
interested in it.  Not that I think I'll do anything with it, but just
as a "let's all get a little more familiar with the source."

Anyone up for that?

Chris

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Mar  7 18:39:57 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:39:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python Source?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703070829v7bf5d7cco91c109eef63830dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703070829v7bf5d7cco91c109eef63830dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17902.63725.638573.435348@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Chris> As an idea for a future meeting, is anyone on list familiar with
    Chris> the Python source enough to give a tour?  Nothing huge, but I'm
    Chris> sort of interested in it.  Not that I think I'll do anything with
    Chris> it, but just as a "let's all get a little more familiar with the
    Chris> source."

I used to be, back in the day.  I suppose how well I could lead a discussion
depends on how much detail you want.  Can you pose some questions you think
might be reasonable to answer with such a tour?

Skip

From szybalski at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 20:19:47 2007
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:19:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Getting list of members of function in class
Message-ID: <804e5c70703071119i6217f2b9t5ace5c70e9759c83@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I am trying to get a list of members of a function, namely:

class A:
    def dowork(self):
        name='Lucas'
        work=['aaa','bbb']
        work1=[]
        work2=[]

How can i get a list of items that were created in dowork, namely:
name,work,work1,work2?
I could use dir(A) to get 'dowork', but that similar thing doesn't get
me the next list, dir(A.dowork)

Any help is appreciated,
Thanks.
Lucas

From maney at two14.net  Wed Mar  7 20:41:22 2007
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:41:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Getting list of members of function in class
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70703071119i6217f2b9t5ace5c70e9759c83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70703071119i6217f2b9t5ace5c70e9759c83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070307194122.GA19869@furrr.two14.net>

On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 01:19:47PM -0600, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> I am trying to get a list of members of a function, namely:
> 
> class A:
>     def dowork(self):
>         name='Lucas'
>         work=['aaa','bbb']
>         work1=[]
>         work2=[]
> 
> How can i get a list of items that were created in dowork, namely:
> name,work,work1,work2?

As written (is this a typo?) those four are local variables of the
function, and are freed when dowork exits.  If they're supposed to be
self.name, etc., then they will be added to the object, and you could
do something like

a = A()
a.dowork()
print a.__dict__

Or just  >>> a.__dict__  in the interpreter to examine the object.

-- 
Hebb's dictum:  If it isn't worth doing, it isn't worth doing well.


From BSimons at geographix.com  Wed Mar  7 20:28:35 2007
From: BSimons at geographix.com (Bill Simons)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:28:35 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Getting list of members of function in class
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70703071119i6217f2b9t5ace5c70e9759c83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03CC814861805843AD783A215540137A01BD5263@DENEXCH901.Landmark.lgc.com>

Not sure if what you're doing is a good idea, but this works for me:

A.dowork.im_func.func_code.co_names

-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Lukasz Szybalski
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:20 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: [Chicago] Getting list of members of function in class


Hello,
I am trying to get a list of members of a function, namely:

class A:
    def dowork(self):
        name='Lucas'
        work=['aaa','bbb']
        work1=[]
        work2=[]

How can i get a list of items that were created in dowork, namely:
name,work,work1,work2? I could use dir(A) to get 'dowork', but that
similar thing doesn't get me the next list, dir(A.dowork)

Any help is appreciated,
Thanks.
Lucas
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 23:59:44 2007
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:59:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Getting list of members of function in class
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70703071119i6217f2b9t5ace5c70e9759c83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70703071119i6217f2b9t5ace5c70e9759c83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b571660a0703071459u721a414eq8e2a1e22ed87be3b@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/7/07, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I am trying to get a list of members of a function, namely:
>
> class A:
>     def dowork(self):
>         name='Lucas'
>         work=['aaa','bbb']
>         work1=[]
>         work2=[]
>
> How can i get a list of items that were created in dowork, namely:
> name,work,work1,work2?
> I could use dir(A) to get 'dowork', but that similar thing doesn't get
> me the next list, dir(A.dowork)

You'll have to get freaky with python internals.

>>> class A:
...    def dowork(self):
...        name='Lucas'
...        work=['aaa','bbb']
...        work1=[]
...        work2=[]
...
>>> A.dowork.im_func.func_code.co_names
('name', 'work', 'work1', 'work2')
>>>

the builtin module inspect [1] wraps up some of these things but I
don't see a method to get local var names, like above.

[1] http://docs.python.org/lib/module-inspect.html

PS.  there was a really cool blog post on Voidspace recently about
hacking code objects :
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/arch_d7_2006_11_18.shtml#e553

From jono at humanized.com  Thu Mar  8 01:53:37 2007
From: jono at humanized.com (Jono DiCarlo)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:53:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
Message-ID: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com>

The ChiPy list said RSVP to tomorrow's meetup, so:  Yes, I'll be there.
Along with some, but not all, of the Humanized crew.
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 02:07:16 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:07:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
In-Reply-To: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703071707h442ba33cm3972879c14ab07d2@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome...see you there.

On 3/7/07, Jono DiCarlo <jono at humanized.com> wrote:
> The ChiPy list said RSVP to tomorrow's meetup, so:  Yes, I'll be there.
> Along with some, but not all, of the Humanized crew.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From asl2 at pobox.com  Thu Mar  8 05:16:57 2007
From: asl2 at pobox.com (Aaron Lav)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 23:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703071707h442ba33cm3972879c14ab07d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0703071707h442ba33cm3972879c14ab07d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070308041657.GA20913@panix.com>

On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 07:07:16PM -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Awesome...see you there.

I'll be there, too.

    Aaron (asl2 at pobox.com)

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Mar  8 06:35:52 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:35:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703071707h442ba33cm3972879c14ab07d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0703071707h442ba33cm3972879c14ab07d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45EFA0B8.3050203@personnelware.com>

Carl Karsten
Sheila M
Archana S

Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Awesome...see you there.
> 
> On 3/7/07, Jono DiCarlo <jono at humanized.com> wrote:
>> The ChiPy list said RSVP to tomorrow's meetup, so:  Yes, I'll be there.
>> Along with some, but not all, of the Humanized crew.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> 

From garrett at mojave-corp.com  Thu Mar  8 12:16:20 2007
From: garrett at mojave-corp.com (Garrett Smith)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 06:16:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
References: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com><3096c19d0703071707h442ba33cm3972879c14ab07d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<45EFA0B8.3050203@personnelware.com>
Message-ID: <2786A736E5926341A9AA6748CCDC11C20293E0@justexch-node02.justexchange.net>

Garrett Smith (finally in town!)


-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Carl Karsten
Sent: Thu 3/8/2007 12:35 AM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
 
Carl Karsten
Sheila M
Archana S

Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Awesome...see you there.
> 
> On 3/7/07, Jono DiCarlo <jono at humanized.com> wrote:
>> The ChiPy list said RSVP to tomorrow's meetup, so:  Yes, I'll be there.
>> Along with some, but not all, of the Humanized crew.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> 
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From david at ddahl.com  Thu Mar  8 14:34:37 2007
From: david at ddahl.com (David Dahl)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:34:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
Message-ID: <442081ec0703080534y549b90ecy60885063c4a3e65@mail.gmail.com>

I will be there.

David Dahl

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 14:39:04 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:39:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
In-Reply-To: <442081ec0703080534y549b90ecy60885063c4a3e65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <442081ec0703080534y549b90ecy60885063c4a3e65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703080539r7c35e20dtef8139435da36fda@mail.gmail.com>

Whoops...sorry folks, I didn't realize this was on the main list.  In
the interest of keeping out of everyone's inbox, just send your RSVP's
to chris.mcavoy at gmail.com

Chris

On 3/8/07, David Dahl <david at ddahl.com> wrote:
> I will be there.
>
> David Dahl
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From pfein at pobox.com  Thu Mar  8 15:14:59 2007
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:14:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
In-Reply-To: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200703080814.59537.pfein@pobox.com>

On Wednesday March 7 2007 6:53 pm, Jono DiCarlo wrote:
> The ChiPy list said RSVP to tomorrow's meetup, so:  Yes, I'll be there.
> Along with some, but not all, of the Humanized crew.

Seeing as I'm presenting, yes, I'll be there. ;)

From jdh2358 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 15:49:48 2007
From: jdh2358 at gmail.com (John Hunter)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:49:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
In-Reply-To: <200703080814.59537.pfein@pobox.com>
References: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com>
	<200703080814.59537.pfein@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <88e473830703080649k3821f279tfd4c9740c0a3324f@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/07, Pete <pfein at pobox.com> wrote:

> Seeing as I'm presenting, yes, I'll be there. ;)

Sorry I haven't been following the list as closely as I should -- what
is the topic of the presentation?

JDH

From bray at sent.com  Thu Mar  8 16:03:30 2007
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:03:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
In-Reply-To: <88e473830703080649k3821f279tfd4c9740c0a3324f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com>
	<200703080814.59537.pfein@pobox.com>
	<88e473830703080649k3821f279tfd4c9740c0a3324f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAB6B11C-812B-4E9E-BC66-502272AD590F@sent.com>


On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:49 AM, John Hunter wrote:

>> Seeing as I'm presenting, yes, I'll be there. ;)
>
> Sorry I haven't been following the list as closely as I should -- what
> is the topic of the presentation?

Hi John:

Its on the wiki:

	<http://chipy.org/>

Hey, BTW, others may be interesting in hearing your excellent  
matplotlib presentation again in a future meeting. I bet we will have  
a better project this time ;)

Brian Ray
http://kazavoo.com



From jdh2358 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 16:13:30 2007
From: jdh2358 at gmail.com (John Hunter)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:13:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
In-Reply-To: <BAB6B11C-812B-4E9E-BC66-502272AD590F@sent.com>
References: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com>
	<200703080814.59537.pfein@pobox.com>
	<88e473830703080649k3821f279tfd4c9740c0a3324f@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAB6B11C-812B-4E9E-BC66-502272AD590F@sent.com>
Message-ID: <88e473830703080713m26e26d60l8b50f78d16400de5@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/07, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:

>
> Hey, BTW, others may be interesting in hearing your excellent
> matplotlib presentation again in a future meeting. I bet we will have
> a better project this time ;)

I'm happy to do it, but I don't want to bore the regulars.  Keep me in
mind if you need some filler :-)

I also have a couple of 5-10 minute lightening talks I could do at
some point, eg hashtar

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2003-September/002566.html

or my brief foray into writing a texas hold-em poker robot in python....

JDH

From jason at hostedlabs.com  Thu Mar  8 15:52:36 2007
From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:52:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703080539r7c35e20dtef8139435da36fda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <442081ec0703080534y549b90ecy60885063c4a3e65@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0703080539r7c35e20dtef8139435da36fda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F02334.6050009@hostedlabs.com>

Jason Rexilius

Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Whoops...sorry folks, I didn't realize this was on the main list.  In
> the interest of keeping out of everyone's inbox, just send your RSVP's
> to chris.mcavoy at gmail.com
> 
> Chris
> 
> On 3/8/07, David Dahl <david at ddahl.com> wrote:
>> I will be there.
>>
>> David Dahl
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From jason at hostedlabs.com  Thu Mar  8 15:49:10 2007
From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:49:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F02266.7090703@hostedlabs.com>

Add me to the list, Jason Rexilius..


Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Chicago Python User Group
> =========================
> 
> Come join us for our best meeting ever!  Pizza and drinks will be
> served, courtesy of Google.  RSVP's are not needed, but are
> encouraged.  Write chris.mcavoy at gmail.com with the subject line "RSVP
> Chipy"
> 
> Topics
> ------
> 
> * PyCon 2007 re-cap
> * "Unicode for Small Children (and Children at Heart)" by Feihong Hsu
> * Ian Bicking will bring his OLPC laptop (http://laptop.org) and will
> discuss ideas for a Chicago Sprint around XO Sugar development
> * Pete Fein will present a project he came up with during the Pycon
> sprints, "GrassyKnoll"
> 
> Location
> --------
> 
> Google's Chicago office
> 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor
> Chicago, IL 60610
> 
> Location description:
> "18 story glass and steel building on the Northwest corner of Dearborn
> and Kinzie."
> "Across the street from Harry Carey's"
> "Upstairs from Keefer's restaurant"
> 
> * Map <http://tinyurl.com/ee8my>
> 
> Enter via the lobby on the South side of the building, between Keefer's
> restaurant and Keefer's cafe.
> 
> Street (meter) parking is kinda sorta available in the area. Garage and
> lot parking is also available Southwest and East of our building.
> 
>  1. The closest "L" stop is Grand on the Red Line and Clark/Lake on the
>  "Blue/Green/Orange/Brown/Purple Line". (All are about an 8 minute walk
>  from Google)
>  2. The closest Metra station is the Ogilvie Transportation Center (in
>  the Citibank building) (about 20 minutes walk or take the Riverbus)
>  3. The closest River Bus stop is at Michigan Avenue (By the Wrigley
>  Building at 2 North Riverside Plaza.
>  (<http://www.wendellariverbus.com/rbdock.htm>) ;-)
>  4. The nearest helipad is at the mouth of the river, near Navy Pier.
>  Obtain security clearance before landing.
> 
> About ChiPy
> -----------
> 
> ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
> Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
> Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
> efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.
> 
> ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
> ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
> Python website: <http://python.org>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 16:35:08 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:35:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python Source?
In-Reply-To: <17902.63725.638573.435348@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <3096c19d0703070829v7bf5d7cco91c109eef63830dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<17902.63725.638573.435348@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703080735h3dde341eq7b771ff70f22045@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Skip,

On 3/7/07, skip at pobox.com <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>     Chris> As an idea for a future meeting, is anyone on list familiar with
>     Chris> the Python source enough to give a tour?  Nothing huge, but I'm
>     Chris> sort of interested in it.  Not that I think I'll do anything with
>     Chris> it, but just as a "let's all get a little more familiar with the
>     Chris> source."
>
> I used to be, back in the day.  I suppose how well I could lead a discussion
> depends on how much detail you want.  Can you pose some questions you think
> might be reasonable to answer with such a tour?

I've been thinking about your question...I don't have a good answer.
However, I do have the following loose ramblings.

I just opened up the code in a text editor, and thought "it would be
cool to get a guided tour of this code."  I don't have a language
design background, so from that very naive text-opening, I'm just sort
of interested in how Python "works."  Stuff like, which data
structures are written in C, which are in pure Python...how does the
parser work?  It might also be a good chance to work in the goals of
PyPy.

At Pycon, I attended a few of the Stackless talks, and realized I
really didn't fully understand why stackless was significant or
different from the standard C Python (apart from the speed
improvements and nice fun looking threading improvements.)

What I'm asking is kind of a big question, and sort of really deserves
a several semester computer science program to answer.  It's me, using
ChiPy as my own personal un-university.  If you're up for this vague
challenge, I'm totally interested in listening.

Chris

From jawolter at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 16:51:29 2007
From: jawolter at gmail.com (Jonathan Andrew Wolter)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:51:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes! (Jonathan + guest)
Message-ID: <32ca7bf50703080751rff4f577tdcbaa4b6888b0a71@mail.gmail.com>

Yes

Jonathan Andrew Wolter + guest
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From bray at sent.com  Thu Mar  8 16:39:59 2007
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:39:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] What about next meeting
In-Reply-To: <88e473830703080713m26e26d60l8b50f78d16400de5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com>
	<200703080814.59537.pfein@pobox.com>
	<88e473830703080649k3821f279tfd4c9740c0a3324f@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAB6B11C-812B-4E9E-BC66-502272AD590F@sent.com>
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On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:13 AM, John Hunter wrote:

> I'm happy to do it, but I don't want to bore the regulars.  Keep me in
> mind if you need some filler :-)

"Regulars," heh, I would say we regularly have irregulars and  
irregularly have regulars ;)

I am not actively involved with scheduling, right now. But I suggest  
having some lighting talks soon. Likewise, IMHO, matplotlib could  
headline. I still use it frequently. Also, it has some nice  
integration with ipython--we should have another presentation on this  
also.

Lately, I have also heard of a Python internals source walkthrough,  
this could be a headline also. In fact I see this as a trickier  
presentation to give to our irregular crowd. Maybe it would be better  
to give an intro lighting talks and see if it floats anyone boat for  
a longer presentation.

I am just brain storming here.  I will leave it to someone else to  
take the bait and start putting together future meetings.

Irregularly yours,

Brian Ray
http://kazavoo.com



From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Mar  8 17:11:34 2007
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:11:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] What about next meeting
In-Reply-To: <49479A2F-0C1B-4358-91C6-7C514D46B276@sent.com>
References: <ebe5c2140703071653q605ae73ey52c863802765ff49@mail.gmail.com>
	<200703080814.59537.pfein@pobox.com>
	<88e473830703080649k3821f279tfd4c9740c0a3324f@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAB6B11C-812B-4E9E-BC66-502272AD590F@sent.com>
	<88e473830703080713m26e26d60l8b50f78d16400de5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49479A2F-0C1B-4358-91C6-7C514D46B276@sent.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640703080811n779ff183vd9247c8460b1b226@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/07, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:

> Lately, I have also heard of a Python internals source walkthrough,
> this could be a headline also. In fact I see this as a trickier

btw, I would love to see an internals source walkthrough.

Also, at a future meeting, could we bounce around the idea of
developing a kids track for PyCon? When I talked with someone at
irim.org once about a girls science camp that had scholarships, I was
told that the kids there were not ready to do stuff like that and
wouldn't qualify for scholarships. That [expecitive deleted] sucks.
[explectative] that [explectative]. So we could do something about it.


-- 
sheila

From tim.saylor at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 17:41:16 2007
From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:41:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 19, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15472.1173368113.32030.chicago@python.org>
References: <mailman.15472.1173368113.32030.chicago@python.org>
Message-ID: <9fb45b0b0703080841o2f732316s78668d22a284e7ef@mail.gmail.com>

Tim Saylor
Dan Krol
Adam Jenkins

On 3/8/07, chicago-request at python.org <chicago-request at python.org> wrote:
> Send Chicago mailing list submissions to
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>
>    1. Re: RSVP tomorrow yes! (Garrett Smith)
>    2. Re: RSVP tomorrow yes! (David Dahl)
>    3. Re: RSVP tomorrow yes! (Chris McAvoy)
>    4. Re: RSVP tomorrow yes! (Pete)
>    5. Re: RSVP tomorrow yes! (John Hunter)
>    6. Re: RSVP tomorrow yes! (Brian Ray)
>    7. Re: RSVP tomorrow yes! (John Hunter)
>    8. Re: RSVP tomorrow yes! (Jason Rexilius)
>    9. Re: ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
>       (Jason Rexilius)
>   10. Re: Python Source? (Chris McAvoy)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Garrett Smith" <garrett at mojave-corp.com>
> To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" <chicago at python.org>
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 06:16:20 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
> Garrett Smith (finally in town!)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Carl Karsten
> Sent: Thu 3/8/2007 12:35 AM
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
>
> Carl Karsten
> Sheila M
> Archana S
>
> Chris McAvoy wrote:
> > Awesome...see you there.
> >
> > On 3/7/07, Jono DiCarlo <jono at humanized.com> wrote:
> >> The ChiPy list said RSVP to tomorrow's meetup, so:  Yes, I'll be there.
> >> Along with some, but not all, of the Humanized crew.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "David Dahl" <david at ddahl.com>
> To: chicago at python.org
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:34:37 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
> I will be there.
>
> David Dahl
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Chris McAvoy" <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>
> To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" <chicago at python.org>
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:39:04 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
> Whoops...sorry folks, I didn't realize this was on the main list.  In
> the interest of keeping out of everyone's inbox, just send your RSVP's
> to chris.mcavoy at gmail.com
>
> Chris
>
> On 3/8/07, David Dahl <david at ddahl.com> wrote:
> > I will be there.
> >
> > David Dahl
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Pete <pfein at pobox.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:14:59 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
> On Wednesday March 7 2007 6:53 pm, Jono DiCarlo wrote:
> > The ChiPy list said RSVP to tomorrow's meetup, so:  Yes, I'll be there.
> > Along with some, but not all, of the Humanized crew.
>
> Seeing as I'm presenting, yes, I'll be there. ;)
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "John Hunter" <jdh2358 at gmail.com>
> To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" <chicago at python.org>
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:49:48 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
> On 3/8/07, Pete <pfein at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > Seeing as I'm presenting, yes, I'll be there. ;)
>
> Sorry I haven't been following the list as closely as I should -- what
> is the topic of the presentation?
>
> JDH
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Brian Ray <bray at sent.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:03:30 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
>
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:49 AM, John Hunter wrote:
>
> >> Seeing as I'm presenting, yes, I'll be there. ;)
> >
> > Sorry I haven't been following the list as closely as I should -- what
> > is the topic of the presentation?
>
> Hi John:
>
> Its on the wiki:
>
>         <http://chipy.org/>
>
> Hey, BTW, others may be interesting in hearing your excellent
> matplotlib presentation again in a future meeting. I bet we will have
> a better project this time ;)
>
> Brian Ray
> http://kazavoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "John Hunter" <jdh2358 at gmail.com>
> To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" <chicago at python.org>
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:13:30 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
> On 3/8/07, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hey, BTW, others may be interesting in hearing your excellent
> > matplotlib presentation again in a future meeting. I bet we will have
> > a better project this time ;)
>
> I'm happy to do it, but I don't want to bore the regulars.  Keep me in
> mind if you need some filler :-)
>
> I also have a couple of 5-10 minute lightening talks I could do at
> some point, eg hashtar
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2003-September/002566.html
>
> or my brief foray into writing a texas hold-em poker robot in python....
>
> JDH
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jason Rexilius <jason at hostedlabs.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:52:36 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] RSVP tomorrow yes!
> Jason Rexilius
>
> Chris McAvoy wrote:
> > Whoops...sorry folks, I didn't realize this was on the main list.  In
> > the interest of keeping out of everyone's inbox, just send your RSVP's
> > to chris.mcavoy at gmail.com
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On 3/8/07, David Dahl <david at ddahl.com> wrote:
> >> I will be there.
> >>
> >> David Dahl
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jason Rexilius <jason at hostedlabs.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:49:10 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
> Add me to the list, Jason Rexilius..
>
>
> Chris McAvoy wrote:
> > Chicago Python User Group
> > =========================
> >
> > Come join us for our best meeting ever!  Pizza and drinks will be
> > served, courtesy of Google.  RSVP's are not needed, but are
> > encouraged.  Write chris.mcavoy at gmail.com with the subject line "RSVP
> > Chipy"
> >
> > Topics
> > ------
> >
> > * PyCon 2007 re-cap
> > * "Unicode for Small Children (and Children at Heart)" by Feihong Hsu
> > * Ian Bicking will bring his OLPC laptop (http://laptop.org) and will
> > discuss ideas for a Chicago Sprint around XO Sugar development
> > * Pete Fein will present a project he came up with during the Pycon
> > sprints, "GrassyKnoll"
> >
> > Location
> > --------
> >
> > Google's Chicago office
> > 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor
> > Chicago, IL 60610
> >
> > Location description:
> > "18 story glass and steel building on the Northwest corner of Dearborn
> > and Kinzie."
> > "Across the street from Harry Carey's"
> > "Upstairs from Keefer's restaurant"
> >
> > * Map <http://tinyurl.com/ee8my>
> >
> > Enter via the lobby on the South side of the building, between Keefer's
> > restaurant and Keefer's cafe.
> >
> > Street (meter) parking is kinda sorta available in the area. Garage and
> > lot parking is also available Southwest and East of our building.
> >
> >  1. The closest "L" stop is Grand on the Red Line and Clark/Lake on the
> >  "Blue/Green/Orange/Brown/Purple Line". (All are about an 8 minute walk
> >  from Google)
> >  2. The closest Metra station is the Ogilvie Transportation Center (in
> >  the Citibank building) (about 20 minutes walk or take the Riverbus)
> >  3. The closest River Bus stop is at Michigan Avenue (By the Wrigley
> >  Building at 2 North Riverside Plaza.
> >  (<http://www.wendellariverbus.com/rbdock.htm>) ;-)
> >  4. The nearest helipad is at the mouth of the river, near Navy Pier.
> >  Obtain security clearance before landing.
> >
> > About ChiPy
> > -----------
> >
> > ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
> > Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
> > Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
> > efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.
> >
> > ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
> > ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
> > Python website: <http://python.org>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Chris McAvoy" <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>
> To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" <chicago at python.org>
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:35:08 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Python Source?
> Hi Skip,
>
> On 3/7/07, skip at pobox.com <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >     Chris> As an idea for a future meeting, is anyone on list familiar with
> >     Chris> the Python source enough to give a tour?  Nothing huge, but I'm
> >     Chris> sort of interested in it.  Not that I think I'll do anything with
> >     Chris> it, but just as a "let's all get a little more familiar with the
> >     Chris> source."
> >
> > I used to be, back in the day.  I suppose how well I could lead a discussion
> > depends on how much detail you want.  Can you pose some questions you think
> > might be reasonable to answer with such a tour?
>
> I've been thinking about your question...I don't have a good answer.
> However, I do have the following loose ramblings.
>
> I just opened up the code in a text editor, and thought "it would be
> cool to get a guided tour of this code."  I don't have a language
> design background, so from that very naive text-opening, I'm just sort
> of interested in how Python "works."  Stuff like, which data
> structures are written in C, which are in pure Python...how does the
> parser work?  It might also be a good chance to work in the goals of
> PyPy.
>
> At Pycon, I attended a few of the Stackless talks, and realized I
> really didn't fully understand why stackless was significant or
> different from the standard C Python (apart from the speed
> improvements and nice fun looking threading improvements.)
>
> What I'm asking is kind of a big question, and sort of really deserves
> a several semester computer science program to answer.  It's me, using
> ChiPy as my own personal un-university.  If you're up for this vague
> challenge, I'm totally interested in listening.
>
> Chris
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Mar  8 17:43:31 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:43:31 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python Source?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703080735h3dde341eq7b771ff70f22045@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703070829v7bf5d7cco91c109eef63830dd@mail.gmail.com>	<17902.63725.638573.435348@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3096c19d0703080735h3dde341eq7b771ff70f22045@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F03D33.4040500@personnelware.com>

Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Hi Skip,
> 
> On 3/7/07, skip at pobox.com <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>     Chris> As an idea for a future meeting, is anyone on list familiar with
>>     Chris> the Python source enough to give a tour?  Nothing huge, but I'm
>>     Chris> sort of interested in it.  Not that I think I'll do anything with
>>     Chris> it, but just as a "let's all get a little more familiar with the
>>     Chris> source."
>>
>> I used to be, back in the day.  I suppose how well I could lead a discussion
>> depends on how much detail you want.  Can you pose some questions you think
>> might be reasonable to answer with such a tour?
> 
> I've been thinking about your question...I don't have a good answer.
> However, I do have the following loose ramblings.
> 
> I just opened up the code in a text editor, and thought "it would be
> cool to get a guided tour of this code."  I don't have a language
> design background, so from that very naive text-opening, I'm just sort
> of interested in how Python "works."  Stuff like, which data
> structures are written in C, which are in pure Python...how does the
> parser work?  It might also be a good chance to work in the goals of
> PyPy.
> 
> At Pycon, I attended a few of the Stackless talks, and realized I
> really didn't fully understand why stackless was significant or
> different from the standard C Python (apart from the speed
> improvements and nice fun looking threading improvements.)
> 
> What I'm asking is kind of a big question, and sort of really deserves
> a several semester computer science program to answer.  It's me, using
> ChiPy as my own personal un-university.  If you're up for this vague
> challenge, I'm totally interested in listening.chances are it will be boring as 
> 

-1

I took a compiler course - it was a) totally fun and b) gave me incite as to how 
most languages 'work', including ones that do not 'compile to a binary' 
(basically, anything that is parsed which includes scripting languages, 
interactive prompts, SQL and config files.).  It was basically a class in 
Lex/Yacc, 1/2 of which is just learning reg-ex.

I actually have a need to get back into it (lex/yacc) because I need to take 
apart SQL commands.

So how could I -1 it?  easy: I don't think it is a good use of a meeting.  There 
just isn't time to get into it enough to be of any value, let alone interesting.

Carl K

From varmaa at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 18:16:32 2007
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:16:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Editor]Python Auto Fill
In-Reply-To: <361b27370703051611k3e135ff5j3a3e6f7e488442c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
	<361b27370703051611k3e135ff5j3a3e6f7e488442c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <361b27370703080916q512cd7c6ue9fc1f255059778a@mail.gmail.com>

I've posted my Python Emacs development module here, with documentation:

  http://www.toolness.com/pymdev

Feedback is appreciated.  If anyone's interested (and there's enough
time), I could also give a quick 5-minute presentation on it at
tonight's meeting.

- Atul

On 3/5/07, Atul Varma <varmaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/5/07, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > On one of the presentations on the dabo somebody used a editor that
> > fills in the code for you. Namely you type in
> > import xml. and you get a list of (dom sax etc....)
> > What editor would do that? Do you guys know of any plug in that does that?
>
> If you use Emacs, I have a custom setup that using Pymacs that does
> that, along with a number of other things that collectively turn any
> Emacs buffer into a python interpreter.  If anyone's interested, I
> could package it up and post it.
>
> - Atul
>

From maney at two14.net  Thu Mar  8 20:10:22 2007
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:10:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python for XP?
Message-ID: <20070308191022.GA24286@furrr.two14.net>


So I'm having this itch that I think I could scratch with some help
from our favorite snake, but it involves Windows, about which I strive
to know as little as necessary <grin>.  What I'd like to do is be able
to run a program I'd write in Python on an XP machine; the program and
whatever support it needs not to require installation, but neither do I
need (nor particularly desire) the all-in-one bundle that I understand
py2exe is all about.  Think of this as running from a flash drive -
plenty of space for a tree of stuff, but it needs to run from that
mounted-not-installed filesystem.

So far everything I'm finding seems to reauire the usual Windows
install that wires choice bits into the syste, or at least the
registry.  I guess it would be acceptable if running this left some
cruft behind in the registry - it's 90% cruft anyhow, yes? - but it
would be better if that weren't necessary.

If you're not laughing yet, for a truly ideal solution I'd like
something I can setup on that flash drive without needing Windows.  :-)

Thanks, and try not to hurt yourselves rolling around on the floor like
that!

-- 
Some people hack for fun, some because they want things their way;
some don't because they can't, and some because they can't be bothered.
Some can make anything work, some could but would rather not,
and some would misconfigure a bowling ball.  -- unknown


From jdh2358 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 20:18:13 2007
From: jdh2358 at gmail.com (John Hunter)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:18:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python for XP?
In-Reply-To: <20070308191022.GA24286@furrr.two14.net>
References: <20070308191022.GA24286@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <88e473830703081118x6e3fec6ib43d9618e18acb2f@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/07, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:
>
> So I'm having this itch that I think I could scratch with some help
> from our favorite snake, but it involves Windows, about which I strive
> to know as little as necessary <grin>.  What I'd like to do is be able
> to run a program I'd write in Python on an XP machine; the program and
> whatever support it needs not to require installation, but neither do I
> need (nor particularly desire) the all-in-one bundle that I understand
> py2exe is all about.  Think of this as running from a flash drive -
> plenty of space for a tree of stuff, but it needs to run from that
> mounted-not-installed filesystem.

Do you mean


http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/movpy/

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 20:18:15 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:18:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python for XP?
In-Reply-To: <20070308191022.GA24286@furrr.two14.net>
References: <20070308191022.GA24286@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703081118k4cb781ddke03c54cae7dbaf60@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/07, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:
> Think of this as running from a flash drive -

How about Movable Python? http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/movpy/

Chris

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 21:14:50 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:14:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Not-python
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703081214y2c7817c6u8e4579c0c23c52c7@mail.gmail.com>

http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/03/techfest_boku_f.html

...buuuuut, it could be.  A creative use of M$'s XNA framework, geared
specifically to teach kids programming using the Xbox as a platform.

It's not Python, but it is kids programming, which seems to be a
list-theme as of late.

Chris

From dbt at meat.net  Thu Mar  8 21:32:28 2007
From: dbt at meat.net (David Terrell)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:32:28 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Not-python
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703081214y2c7817c6u8e4579c0c23c52c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703081214y2c7817c6u8e4579c0c23c52c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070308203228.GE5536@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org>

On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 02:14:50PM -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/03/techfest_boku_f.html
> 
> ...buuuuut, it could be.  A creative use of M$'s XNA framework, geared
> specifically to teach kids programming using the Xbox as a platform.
> 
> It's not Python, but it is kids programming, which seems to be a
> list-theme as of late.

http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=682689&SiteID=1

-- 
David Terrell
dbt at meat.net
((meatspace)) http://meat.net/

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 21:35:10 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:35:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Not-python
In-Reply-To: <20070308203228.GE5536@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org>
References: <3096c19d0703081214y2c7817c6u8e4579c0c23c52c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070308203228.GE5536@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703081235v54b87afep678340ae6f6f42c7@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/07, David Terrell <dbt at meat.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 02:14:50PM -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> > http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/03/techfest_boku_f.html
> >
> > ...buuuuut, it could be.  A creative use of M$'s XNA framework, geared
> > specifically to teach kids programming using the Xbox as a platform.
> >
> > It's not Python, but it is kids programming, which seems to be a
> > list-theme as of late.
>
> http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=682689&SiteID=1

Right...but it (AKAIK) won't compile for the 360 yet, just for Windows...

From maney at two14.net  Thu Mar  8 22:06:55 2007
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:06:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python for XP?
In-Reply-To: <88e473830703081118x6e3fec6ib43d9618e18acb2f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070308191022.GA24286@furrr.two14.net>
	<88e473830703081118x6e3fec6ib43d9618e18acb2f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070308210655.GC24286@furrr.two14.net>

On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 01:18:13PM -0600, John Hunter wrote:
> Do you mean
> 
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/movpy/

Well, it looks like it covers the target zone, even if using paypal is
right out for possibly irrational but inarguable reasons.  Guess I can
see if the whole crazy idea works before I need to cross that bridge.

Thanks!

-- 
River lines, defensible passes, the posession of hills and
encirclement of cities; these are the syntax that structures
the speech of guns.  -- John M. Ford


From mark.mchristensen at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 22:55:17 2007
From: mark.mchristensen at gmail.com (Mark Ramm)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:55:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The other standard library...
Message-ID: <ec2d68db0703081355q5130f2c6i2152b29c39b851cc@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for Python Libraries that you use everyday, but which for
whatever reason aren't part of the standard library.

Some thingsthat come immediately to mind are BeautifulSoup, NumPy,
dateutil, and lxml.

What else do you think ought to be on the list? I'm particularly
interested in those libraries which don't have great documentation
already.

This may not entirely an academic exercise... So, if you have a
chance, shoot me an e-mail over the next couple days.

-- 
Mark Ramm-Christensen
email: mark at compoundthinking dot com
blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog

From andrew at humanized.com  Thu Mar  8 23:10:20 2007
From: andrew at humanized.com (Andrew Wilson)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:10:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] The other standard library...
In-Reply-To: <ec2d68db0703081355q5130f2c6i2152b29c39b851cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ec2d68db0703081355q5130f2c6i2152b29c39b851cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1b1d8150703081410k6205a29cpc2789bc14061c706@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm....Based on what I and my friends do, I'd add:

pygame
pysvn
Trac
Genshi

I'd like to add CherryPy, but I'll wait until it stops being more annoying
than [insert your favorite flame-target here].

-- Andrew

On 3/8/07, Mark Ramm <mark.mchristensen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for Python Libraries that you use everyday, but which for
> whatever reason aren't part of the standard library.
>
> Some thingsthat come immediately to mind are BeautifulSoup, NumPy,
> dateutil, and lxml.
>
> What else do you think ought to be on the list? I'm particularly
> interested in those libraries which don't have great documentation
> already.
>
> This may not entirely an academic exercise... So, if you have a
> chance, shoot me an e-mail over the next couple days.
>
> --
> Mark Ramm-Christensen
> email: mark at compoundthinking dot com
> blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:29:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] The other standard library...
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On Mar 8, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Andrew Wilson wrote:

> Hmmm....Based on what I and my friends do, I'd add:
>
> pygame
> pysvn
> Trac
> Genshi
>
> I'd like to add CherryPy, but I'll wait until it stops being more  
> annoying than [insert your favorite flame-target here].
>
> -- Andrew


Docutils!

-t

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From jason at hostedlabs.com  Thu Mar  8 23:54:00 2007
From: jason at hostedlabs.com (jason at hostedlabs.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:54:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Rsvp for tonight
Message-ID: <20070308230029.0F5AC242E6C@node002.hostedlabs.com>

Need to add one more,
eena dharashivkar




From mcivor at iit.edu  Fri Mar  9 15:17:32 2007
From: mcivor at iit.edu (Ken McIvor)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:17:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python Source?
Message-ID: <903BD690-849F-4F5D-866F-8C143E70F21A@iit.edu>

On Mar 8, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>
> So how could I -1 it?  easy: I don't think it is a good use of a  
> meeting.  There
> just isn't time to get into it enough to be of any value, let alone  
> interesting.

I'm inclined to agree with Carl.  Personally, I like Brian Ray's  
suggestion of an introductory lighting talk.  One could imagine a  
series of short presentations on different topics pertinent to  
grokking the Python source -- a mile-high view, a tour of PyObject,  
the C side of the exception system, how Python gobbles up source and  
spits out happiness, etc.

Ken

From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 16:26:23 2007
From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:26:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] Not-python
Message-ID: <91416.39121.qm@web34811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Games created in IronPython will not be able to run on the 360, but
there are other non-sucky languages for .NET that you could use.  One
is Boo, which is a statically-compiled language with Python-like
syntax.  It uses type inference whenever it can to reduce the number
of type declarations you write.  Another is F#, a functional language
based on OCaml.  I'm not very familiar with OCaml, but F# has a
"light" syntax option that allows for a more Python-like syntax.  F#
also uses type inferencing, but it seems much more effective than
Boo's.

So one viable development approach would be to do a prototype in
IronPython, and gradually migrate the more stable parts to Boo/F#. 
Once the entire program is in Boo/F#, just compile the program to a
.NET binary (assembly), and it will run on the 360, no problem.

I know Boo fairly well and could give a lightning talk on Boo if
people are interested (it is pretty easy to grok for Python
programmers).  

I could probably give one on F# too, once I learn it better.  I
should mention that F# is probably the most accessible functional
language for Python programmers.  It can use all of the .NET
libraries, and it can use many (most?) Python libraries (through
either IronPython or the Python for .NET bridge).  You need to write
some boilerplate to enable interoperability, but at least you can
write it in F# and not sucky C++/C#, and you don't need to generate
wrapper code ala SWIG.

Cheers,

Feihong

P.S.  I am working on fixing my website so I can post the slides from
my Unicorn, I mean Unicode, presentation.


On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 02:14:50PM -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/03/techfest_boku_f.html
> 
> ...buuuuut, it could be.  A creative use of M$'s XNA framework, 
geared
> specifically to teach kids programming using the Xbox as a 
platform.
> 
> It's not Python, but it is kids programming, which seems to be a
> list-theme as of late.




 
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 16:31:37 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:31:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Thanks again Google...
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703090731s4e6ff522h9799dc3a8951c42@mail.gmail.com>

Great meeting last night...thanks to Feihong, Ian, Ted and Peter for
presenting, and Fitz-oogle for hosting.  It was great seeing a bunch
of new faces.

Chris

From tcp at mac.com  Fri Mar  9 16:53:08 2007
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:53:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Not-python
In-Reply-To: <91416.39121.qm@web34811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <91416.39121.qm@web34811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C7C95965-3DB1-42CD-B97C-9958762243C0@mac.com>


On Mar 9, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Feihong Hsu wrote:

> I know Boo fairly well and could give a lightning talk on Boo if
> people are interested (it is pretty easy to grok for Python
> programmers).

+1

-t

From varmaa at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 17:02:30 2007
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:02:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Not-python
In-Reply-To: <91416.39121.qm@web34811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <91416.39121.qm@web34811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <361b27370703090802k5a22015fi4c392ad5337315ca@mail.gmail.com>

Out of curiosity, why can't games written in IronPython run on the
360?  Can they not be compiled to standard .NET assemblies?  Or could
one make a .NET assembly that trivially embeds IronPython and runs a
Python program (kind of like py2exe does for Windows)?

- Atul

On 3/9/07, Feihong Hsu <hsu.feihong at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Games created in IronPython will not be able to run on the 360, but
> there are other non-sucky languages for .NET that you could use.  One
> is Boo, which is a statically-compiled language with Python-like
> syntax.  It uses type inference whenever it can to reduce the number
> of type declarations you write.  Another is F#, a functional language
> based on OCaml.  I'm not very familiar with OCaml, but F# has a
> "light" syntax option that allows for a more Python-like syntax.  F#
> also uses type inferencing, but it seems much more effective than
> Boo's.
>
> So one viable development approach would be to do a prototype in
> IronPython, and gradually migrate the more stable parts to Boo/F#.
> Once the entire program is in Boo/F#, just compile the program to a
> .NET binary (assembly), and it will run on the 360, no problem.
>
> I know Boo fairly well and could give a lightning talk on Boo if
> people are interested (it is pretty easy to grok for Python
> programmers).
>
> I could probably give one on F# too, once I learn it better.  I
> should mention that F# is probably the most accessible functional
> language for Python programmers.  It can use all of the .NET
> libraries, and it can use many (most?) Python libraries (through
> either IronPython or the Python for .NET bridge).  You need to write
> some boilerplate to enable interoperability, but at least you can
> write it in F# and not sucky C++/C#, and you don't need to generate
> wrapper code ala SWIG.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Feihong
>
> P.S.  I am working on fixing my website so I can post the slides from
> my Unicorn, I mean Unicode, presentation.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 02:14:50PM -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> > http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/03/techfest_boku_f.html
> >
> > ...buuuuut, it could be.  A creative use of M$'s XNA framework,
> geared
> > specifically to teach kids programming using the Xbox as a
> platform.
> >
> > It's not Python, but it is kids programming, which seems to be a
> > list-theme as of late.
>
>
>
>
>
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From fitz at red-bean.com  Fri Mar  9 20:28:20 2007
From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:28:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Thanks again Google...
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703090731s4e6ff522h9799dc3a8951c42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703090731s4e6ff522h9799dc3a8951c42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5375ad50703091128t35aed3b2s87ec6cd94ddb2b09@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/9/07, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great meeting last night...thanks to Feihong, Ian, Ted and Peter for
> presenting, and Fitz-oogle for hosting.  It was great seeing a bunch
> of new faces.

Likewise--let's keep getting these awesome turnouts!

If folks are interested, I can see about hosting next month as well,
but I'd like to give any other interested hosts a chance to host.

-Fitz

From fitz at red-bean.com  Fri Mar  9 20:29:27 2007
From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:29:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Left your Foxpro travel mug?
Message-ID: <a5375ad50703091129g4a805065m7850863ff6bc08d@mail.gmail.com>

Someone left a super-cool "Microsoft Visual FoxPro 7.0" travel mug
here last night.  Anyone care to claim it?

-Fitz

From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Mar  9 20:43:24 2007
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:43:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Left your Foxpro travel mug?
In-Reply-To: <a5375ad50703091129g4a805065m7850863ff6bc08d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5375ad50703091129g4a805065m7850863ff6bc08d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640703091143n369d5843k34697023ac18ed34@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/9/07, Brian W. Fitzpatrick <fitz at red-bean.com> wrote:
> Someone left a super-cool "Microsoft Visual FoxPro 7.0" travel mug
> here last night.  Anyone care to claim it?
>
> -Fitz

That mug is totally mine!  You can have it when you pry it from my
cold dead caffeinated fingers.


I stole it from Carl. The fox is really cute.


-- 
sheila

From fitz at red-bean.com  Fri Mar  9 21:02:24 2007
From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:02:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Left your Foxpro travel mug?
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640703091143n369d5843k34697023ac18ed34@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5375ad50703091129g4a805065m7850863ff6bc08d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640703091143n369d5843k34697023ac18ed34@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5375ad50703091202w68ac5bcag6a488d41a33aa58c@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/9/07, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> On 3/9/07, Brian W. Fitzpatrick <fitz at red-bean.com> wrote:
> > Someone left a super-cool "Microsoft Visual FoxPro 7.0" travel mug
> > here last night.  Anyone care to claim it?
> >
> > -Fitz
>
> That mug is totally mine!  You can have it when you pry it from my
> cold dead caffeinated fingers.

OK, well I've got it on my desk here so ping me when you want to swing
by and get it.

-Fitz

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Fri Mar  9 21:07:02 2007
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:07:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Editor]Python Auto Fill
In-Reply-To: <361b27370703080916q512cd7c6ue9fc1f255059778a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>	<361b27370703051611k3e135ff5j3a3e6f7e488442c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<361b27370703080916q512cd7c6ue9fc1f255059778a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F1BE66.9050103@colorstudy.com>

Atul Varma wrote:
> I've posted my Python Emacs development module here, with documentation:
> 
>   http://www.toolness.com/pymdev
> 
> Feedback is appreciated.  If anyone's interested (and there's enough
> time), I could also give a quick 5-minute presentation on it at
> tonight's meeting.

Did you see that lightning talk at PyCon that involved clicking and 
stacks on the UI?  It was a little vague, but it reminded me of Oberon, 
and I think of pymdev too -- though using something more Forthish made 
composition a bit easier, I think.

I'd definitely be interested in Pymacs in general, though admittedly 
either people will care about it (because they use Emacs) or it will be 
totally boring and useless.  Lightning talk material?

I feel like if I just understood a little bit of the Pymacs API (and 
hence the Emacs API) I could do most of what I want.  I probably want... 
  mmmm... the filename, current position of the point, ability to change 
the contents (treating it as one big string) and save that content, move 
the point around.  Maybe that's it?  I bet there's a lot of interesting 
things that could happen just using that.  People get really excited 
about TextMate extensions, but I suspect in part because they are really 
easy to write, and Emacs is more intimidating.  (Of course people get 
excited about Emacs extensions too...)


-- 
Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org

From ph at malaprop.org  Fri Mar  9 21:39:30 2007
From: ph at malaprop.org (Peter Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:39:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Thanks again Google...
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703090731s4e6ff522h9799dc3a8951c42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703090731s4e6ff522h9799dc3a8951c42@mail.gmail.com>
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> Great meeting last night...thanks to Feihong, Ian, Ted and Peter for
> presenting, and Fitz-oogle for hosting.  It was great seeing a bunch
> of new faces.

For folks who couldn't make it, I've blogged a brief overview of the
presentations with as many links to the relevant projects as I could
find: http://push.cx/2007/one-laptop-per-chicago

- --
Peter Harkins  -  http://push.cx  -  http://nearbygamers.com


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From proberto.macedo at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 22:06:43 2007
From: proberto.macedo at gmail.com (Paulo Roberto)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:06:43 -0300
Subject: [Chicago] [Editor]Python Auto Fill
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
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vim

On 3/5/07, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> On one of the presentations on the dabo somebody used a editor that
> fills in the code for you. Namely you type in
> import xml. and you get a list of (dom sax etc....)
> What editor would do that? Do you guys know of any plug in that does that?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Lucas
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From goodger at python.org  Fri Mar  9 23:16:30 2007
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:16:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
In-Reply-To: <780028.1620.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4335d2c40703050839n883c79fkab6708d5d930249d@mail.gmail.com>
	<780028.1620.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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ChiPy's, meet the Dallas/Fort Worth Pythoneers.  DFW, meet Chicago.
Many of you probably met each other at PyCon.  With this email, I thee
bring up to date.

I asked the Chicago crowd about space:

On 3/1/07, David Goodger <goodger at python.org> wrote:
> Hi ChiPy folks,
>
> We're packing up the last of the network equipment & power strips
> now.  Is there anyone with some space (in a basement or garage), who
> is guaranteed to be there for PyCon next year? Alternatively, could
> someone arrange for a self-storage place? The PSF will be happy to
> reimburse. There's a month left on the local storage facility, so
> we'd like to ship the equipment by the end of March.
>
> Please let me or Jeff Rush know (jeff at taupro.com or
> pycon at python.org). Thanks.

On 3/1/07, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> I have a basement with an small doored room that could be dedicated
> to pycon stuff.
>
> How big is the current storage, and how much is used?

On 3/2/07, skip at pobox.com <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
> I have basement and attic space available.  I'm in Evanston, and am
> not going anywhere.  How much stuff do you have?

It sounds like there's space in people's basements around Chicago for
this if necessary.  Although the boxes would probably fit in one or
both basements, there's a lot of weight to be carried up and down
stairs (and significant others to appease...).  I think it would be
better to rent a small self-storage space near the hotel and deliver
the boxes there.  PyCon/PSF will reimburse the shipping & storage
expenses.

Then I asked the Dallas folks about the volume:

On 3/5/07, David Goodger <goodger at python.org> wrote:
> I need to let the Chicago folks know how much stuff we have in
> storage. Does anybody have good numbers? Was it about 20 boxes plus
> the large power strips?
>
> Did everything make it to the local storage place OK? How big is our
> shed/room, and how much is in it (% full)?

On 3/5/07, Brad Allen <brad at allendev.com> wrote:
> We did load the storage room, and there is plenty of space left.
> I don't remember the size of the room; it is probably written in the
> contract that Andrew signed.
>
> I didn't count the boxes, but seem to recall that we loaded about
> 10-15 boxes plus all the long power strips (40 counted before PyCon,
> not sure if we still have that many).
>
> The large power strips still need to be packaged. They are 49" in
> length, which could be an issue if the palettes are going to be 48".

On 3/7/07, J. Jentink <jjentink at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Everthing is in the storage unit. I am not sure of the size but I
> guess about 4 by 6 feet and it is mostly empty -- boxes on one side
> stacked about 3 high and the power stips on some cardboard on the
> floor on the other side. This left a huge walkway down the center --
> so all boxed up everything should stack to an area of 5 x 2 x 5 feet
> (LWH).
>
> I think we have about a dozen boxes. None of them were really huge
> box but some with power cords and stuff are heavy.
>
> If all the power strips are present and accounted for, they will
> weigh in at about 150 lbs. This is based on weighing 4 strips and
> multiplying by 10 -- we originally had 40. They are 49 inches long
> and are not yet boxed up.
>
> Brad and Mary were also there when we put the stuff and and I hope
> they will correct my above guesses. One of our local Python sprint
> Saturdays is this weekend and we will be discussing when and how to
> get this stuff forwarded. Do you have a mailing address in Chicago?
> Is it a business or residence ... some shipping options have not
> support a home address.

It sounds like there's about a medium pallet's worth of stuff.  The
power strips need to be packaged somehow.

Chicago: please decide on a location for the equipment, and reply with
the name, address, hours, phone number, etc. of the destination.  I
recommend renting a self-storage space.  If they can receive the boxes
for you, even better (it may cost a bit more, but the convenience is
worth it).  Someone please step forward to coordinate the Chicago end.

Dallas: please arrange to have the power strips packaged somehow and
the boxes picked up & shipped by ground (i.e. cheaply).  Someone
mentioned palletizing; could you look into that as well?  Who will
coordinate the Dallas end?

Thanks all!

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Sat Mar 10 14:06:42 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 07:06:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40703091416h456c8a77tc130a290753409d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4335d2c40703050839n883c79fkab6708d5d930249d@mail.gmail.com>
	<780028.1620.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Thanks for the info David.

There's a few self storage places out by the conference site.  I'll
call them this morning and see what's what.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2yrk24  <--the google search that shows the
locations of storage places around the hotel.

When I find out more, I'll write back.

Chris

From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 15:09:00 2007
From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:09:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] Not-python
Message-ID: <773382.16458.qm@web34813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:02:30, Atul Varma wrote:

> Out of curiosity, why can't games written in IronPython run on the
> 360?  Can they not be compiled to standard .NET assemblies?  Or
could
> one make a .NET assembly that trivially embeds IronPython and runs
a
> Python program (kind of like py2exe does for Windows)?
> 
> - Atul

There is a way to compile IronPython code directly into an executable
(this probably does something like embed the IronPython engine).  But
there is no way to create an assembly that is usable from other .NET
languages.  Embedding IronPython doesn't work because the .NET
Compact Framework is missing some necessary features.  Specifically,
the System.Reflection.Emit namespace is not available.  

BTW, there is another requirement for the 360 that I failed to
address, which is that you have to compile with the XNA GameStudio
Express (this is not a requirement for PC-only games).  This means
that you need to create a C# project in XNA GameStudio and then load
your DLL written in Boo, F#, VB, or whatever other .NET language you
like to use.

- Feihong




 
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From varmaa at gmail.com  Sat Mar 10 16:09:50 2007
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:09:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [Editor]Python Auto Fill
In-Reply-To: <45F1BE66.9050103@colorstudy.com>
References: <804e5c70703051553s11ba09e5lbf7cbce6097eee90@mail.gmail.com>
	<361b27370703051611k3e135ff5j3a3e6f7e488442c6@mail.gmail.com>
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	<45F1BE66.9050103@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <361b27370703100709odebfdc6we055bf2d228f561a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the comments, Ian.  I didn't see the lightning talk at
PyCon, though from what you described, I wish I did.  Using a
stack-based approach sounds really interesting, I'll have to look into
that (and Oberon).

I agree that Pymacs would definitely make a good lightning talk topic.
 I can give one of those the next time we do lightning talks.  As for
the Pymacs API, it's actually pretty nice and straightforward: you can
just use the "Pymacs.lisp" object to access the entire elisp API,
which is documented here:

  http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/elisp-manual/html_node/index.html

I think the pymdev source file is actually pretty useful as a simple
example of using the Pymacs API, too; the section "Public module
helper functions" contains some basic functionality that wraps the
elisp API in some of the ways you mentioned:

  http://www.toolness.com/pymdev/pymdev.py

I do wish there was an easier way to set up Pymacs, though; and
perhaps a simplified high-level Pythonic wrapper to the elisp API
would be useful, too.

- Atul

On 3/9/07, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:
> Atul Varma wrote:
> > I've posted my Python Emacs development module here, with documentation:
> >
> >   http://www.toolness.com/pymdev
> >
> > Feedback is appreciated.  If anyone's interested (and there's enough
> > time), I could also give a quick 5-minute presentation on it at
> > tonight's meeting.
>
> Did you see that lightning talk at PyCon that involved clicking and
> stacks on the UI?  It was a little vague, but it reminded me of Oberon,
> and I think of pymdev too -- though using something more Forthish made
> composition a bit easier, I think.
>
> I'd definitely be interested in Pymacs in general, though admittedly
> either people will care about it (because they use Emacs) or it will be
> totally boring and useless.  Lightning talk material?
>
> I feel like if I just understood a little bit of the Pymacs API (and
> hence the Emacs API) I could do most of what I want.  I probably want...
>   mmmm... the filename, current position of the point, ability to change
> the contents (treating it as one big string) and save that content, move
> the point around.  Maybe that's it?  I bet there's a lot of interesting
> things that could happen just using that.  People get really excited
> about TextMate extensions, but I suspect in part because they are really
> easy to write, and Emacs is more intimidating.  (Of course people get
> excited about Emacs extensions too...)
>
>
> --
> Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From brad at allendev.com  Sat Mar 10 16:12:37 2007
From: brad at allendev.com (Brad Allen)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:12:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40703091416h456c8a77tc130a290753409d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4335d2c40703050839n883c79fkab6708d5d930249d@mail.gmail.com>	
	<780028.1620.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4335d2c40703091416h456c8a77tc130a290753409d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a06230906c2186e754109@[192.168.1.242]>

Hello, Chicago Python list. I signed up to your list so that I could 
"reply all" to
David's email.

>
>On 3/1/07, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>>I have a basement with an small doored room that could be dedicated
>>to pycon stuff.
>>
>>How big is the current storage, and how much is used?
>
>On 3/2/07, skip at pobox.com <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>I have basement and attic space available.  I'm in Evanston, and am
>>not going anywhere.  How much stuff do you have?

In addition to the 10-15 boxes plus 40 power strips (4 foot each,
packaging to be determined),  don't forget that in the time leading up to
PyCon, someone will also need to volunteer to receive and store potentially
60+ big boxes containing t-shirts, tote bags, swag, etc.

You may also need to accumulate additional items to store. We are
not sending you everything, since some items were not cost effective
to ship:  the kiosk computers and peripherals, large whiteboards, and
the projector tables.

We found the projector tables at thrift shops, since the hotel wanted
to charge us exorbitant prices to use their projector tables.

Having a storage facility to centrally marshall everything will simplify
your logistics, and is well worth the cost. A 10 x 10 room may be
overkill, but you can decide that based on pricing.  We had 4x6 ( I think)
but that turned out to be too small for us to stage the 60+ swag boxes
prior to PyCon 2007. As a result our U-Haul truck had an out of the
way stop, and we were delayed getting everything to the hotel.
A bigger storage space would have saved that headache and allowed
volunteers to get to work earlier.

>mehow and
>the boxes picked up & shipped by ground (i.e. cheaply).  Someone
>mentioned palletizing; could you look into that as well?  Who will
>coordinate the Dallas end?

We will discuss this at today's DFW Python meeting.

From goodger at python.org  Sat Mar 10 16:38:47 2007
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:38:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
In-Reply-To: <a06230906c2186e754109@[192.168.1.242]>
References: <4335d2c40703050839n883c79fkab6708d5d930249d@mail.gmail.com>	
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	<a06230906c2186e754109@[192.168.1.242]>
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[Brad Allen]
> In addition to the 10-15 boxes plus 40 power strips (4 foot each,
> packaging to be determined),  don't forget that in the time leading up to
> PyCon, someone will also need to volunteer to receive and store potentially
> 60+ big boxes containing t-shirts, tote bags, swag, etc.

Good point.  I believe CTE (the meeting planner) is going to arrange for this
with the hotel, but I don't know the details yet (time frame, volume).  I will
confirm this.

We can always add a second storage space in the same facility for a month before
PyCon for receiving this stuff.

It's one thing to be a community conference that relies on volunteer help, but
quite another to pack someone's house full of boxes, like Brad's was.  As PyCon
gets bigger, we can and should spend money to avoid these inconveniences.

> You may also need to accumulate additional items to store. We are
> not sending you everything, since some items were not cost effective
> to ship:  the kiosk computers and peripherals, large whiteboards, and
> the projector tables.

Right.  The equipment being sent shouldn't fill the storage space; it should
have excess capacity.

Thanks for the info Brad!  I've noted it for planning.

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Sat Mar 10 18:22:28 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:22:28 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
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I put a hold on a space at 9700 W. Irving Park Rd (very close to the
hotel) for a 5 x 10 x 8 space (it was the closest they had to the 6 x
6 suggestion).  It's $63.70 / month, $23 for the first month.

I'll have to talk to the property manager about accepting the
shipment.  The hold doesn't obligate us.  I can go in next Saturday to
put in the final reservation, as long as this sounds good to everyone.

Chris

From varmaa at gmail.com  Sat Mar 10 18:43:58 2007
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:43:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] next meeting
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On 2/27/07, sheila miguez <shekay at gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris's(?) idea: offer volunteer guides to accompany people
>
> But, believe me, when we put together conference wiki pages, I'll
> populate information on Chicago. I am obsessive about wiki pages and
> eating out/walking around etc.
>
> Btw, The Chicago Architecture Foundation gives classes on being a
> guide on their walking tours, which I've thought would be really neat
> to do when I first heard about it, but it is a few weeks, iirc. I
> don't know if I have time to do that. It might easier for someone with
> a student schedule to pull off.
>
> Anyway, the prices for the guided tours aren't heinous, and I wonder
> if we could wrangle a group discount to offer to people?

I signed up for becoming a docent for the CAF back in 2005, but I had
to sign out because I realized I was going to be too busy to do the
25+ hours per week of homework outside of class (the class provides
the equivalent of a graduate-level survey of architecture course).
I'd still like to do it at some point.

The prices for guided tours aren't bad, though.  I'd highly recommend
their Historic Skyscrapers walking tour over their more popular River
Cruise because it's a lot more interactive and you actually get to go
inside buildings.  I'm normally not a big fan of guided tours, but the
Historic Skyscrapers tour is a notable exception and provides a great
multi-disciplinary introduction to the city from historical,
engineering, and artistic perspectives.  From their Group Tours page
on the Historic/Modern Skyscrapers tours [1]:

"Each tour lasts two hours and accommodates 10-60 people. Cost is $15
per person ($12 for students and seniors). Both tours may be taken for
$26 per person ($22 for students and seniors). In addition, all group
walking tours incur a $50 private tour surcharge. Tours in languages
other than English may be possible with advance notice."

Perhaps it'd be useful to poll the Python/PyCon community to see if
there would be interest in this?  Maybe it could be an optional part
of the PyCon registration process, as with the tutorials?

- Atul

[1] http://www.architecture.org/tours_groups.html

From jason at hostedlabs.com  Sat Mar 10 19:42:22 2007
From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:42:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
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I actually have free space in a storage unit that I am currently storing 
a bunch of equipment in as well.

If you can give me approximate volume/dimensions I can confirm I have 
enough space, but should be able to donate for PyCon cause for free..

Another question might be if any of the equipment would be ok for use in 
this years barCAMP Chicago assuming it was taken care of.



Chris McAvoy wrote:
> I put a hold on a space at 9700 W. Irving Park Rd (very close to the
> hotel) for a 5 x 10 x 8 space (it was the closest they had to the 6 x
> 6 suggestion).  It's $63.70 / month, $23 for the first month.
> 
> I'll have to talk to the property manager about accepting the
> shipment.  The hold doesn't obligate us.  I can go in next Saturday to
> put in the final reservation, as long as this sounds good to everyone.
> 
> Chris
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From goodger at python.org  Sun Mar 11 00:51:22 2007
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:51:22 -0500
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[Chris McAvoy]
> I put a hold on a space at 9700 W. Irving Park Rd (very close to the
> hotel) for a 5 x 10 x 8 space (it was the closest they had to the 6 x
> 6 suggestion). 

That will definitely be enough for what we have now, and may be enough for early
shipments prior to the conference.

> It's $63.70 / month, $23 for the first month.

We may get a discount if we pay for a full year or 13 months in advance.
It's worth asking about.

> I'll have to talk to the property manager about accepting the
> shipment.  The hold doesn't obligate us.  I can go in next Saturday to
> put in the final reservation, as long as this sounds good to everyone.

Please keep us posted.  Thanks!

-- 
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[Jason Rexilius]
> I actually have free space in a storage unit that I am currently storing 
> a bunch of equipment in as well.
>
> If you can give me approximate volume/dimensions I can confirm I have 
> enough space, but should be able to donate for PyCon cause for free..

Where is your storage unit?  Proximity to the hotel is important.  While I
appreciate the offer, the cost really is minimal and overshadowed by the
logistics.  If the facility is at the other end of Chicago, it would mean long
trips and wouldn't be worthwhile.

> Another question might be if any of the equipment would be ok for use in 
> this years barCAMP Chicago assuming it was taken care of.

That would be OK with me.  I'd like someone from ChiPy to take responsibility
though.

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From verisimilidude at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 06:00:43 2007
From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:00:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Teaching kids programming
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There has been some discussion here about teaching kids programming.  I came
across this site http://stratolab.com/courses/lunarrepair/ as a link from
the CherryPy site.  They are located in NYC and say " Although the workshop
is set in fantasy, the programming you learn is real. This course teaches
the basics of computer programming using the
Python<http://stratolab.com/misc/python>language, including
algorithms, variables, loops, and functions. You learn
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things move. Finally, a reason to learn math."  Maybe they could be invited
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From wt46 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 11 12:04:14 2007
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:04:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Teaching kids programming
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Good idea.  
Here are a few more thoughts about kids and next year.
(1)  Invite teachers & classes for the first keynote speaker on Friday (or Thursday afternoon).  Physics gets 10s of thousands from the 5 state region  to Six Flags for the May Physics day and large numbers attend MSI Chemistry day.  Python could accept reservations on a first come first served basis from the schools to control the numbers.  Would we want 8-13 or 13-18 year olds or just college students?  We have a large space that could handle up to 2000 as I understand it.  BTW -- around March is the state testing in Illinois schools.
(2)  Provide an under 18 student rate registration -- with a student track of programs.  This is under consideration from what has been said.
(3)  What do we know about the demographics of Python users/attendees?  For 15 minutes after the keynote -- it would be interesting to group the "regular" attendees and provide Q & As  for student interaction.  We could provide information on jobs, python program applications, university programs, new applications  and ????.  
(4)  What is the report from the Edu-sig?  I missed the Saturday night dinner in Dallas.

Warren


Subject: [Chicago] Teaching kids programming


  There has been some discussion here about teaching kids programming.  I came across this site http://stratolab.com/courses/lunarrepair/ as a link from the CherryPy site.  They are located in NYC and say " Although the workshop is set in fantasy, the programming you learn is real. This course teaches the basics of computer programming using the Python language, including algorithms, variables, loops, and functions. You learn cartesian (X-Y) coordinates and simple algebra to draw shapes and make things move. Finally, a reason to learn math."  Maybe they could be invited to be part of the kids track at Chicago's pyCon?



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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Mar 12 01:51:38 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:51:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
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Chris McAvoy wrote:
> I put a hold on a space at 9700 W. Irving Park Rd (very close to the
> hotel) for a 5 x 10 x 8 space (it was the closest they had to the 6 x
> 6 suggestion).  It's $63.70 / month, $23 for the first month.

So $700ish plus shipping plus hassle (mainly the shipping/receiving).

I understand the need for a staging area right before the conference, but other 
than the 40 power strips, what is in the 10-15 boxes?  Wondering if it worth the 
$700+?

Carl K

From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Mar 12 02:10:28 2007
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:28 -0500
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On 3/11/07, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> Chris McAvoy wrote:
> > I put a hold on a space at 9700 W. Irving Park Rd (very close to the
> > hotel) for a 5 x 10 x 8 space (it was the closest they had to the 6 x
> > 6 suggestion).  It's $63.70 / month, $23 for the first month.
>
> So $700ish plus shipping plus hassle (mainly the shipping/receiving).
>
> I understand the need for a staging area right before the conference, but other
> than the 40 power strips, what is in the 10-15 boxes?  Wondering if it worth the
> $700+?

pros:
Multiple people can have access to the storage facility. less of a
bottleneck for getting to stuff than if it was stored at someone's
house. (Not even sure how much of a chore it is to arrange times to
meet with someone to pick up stuff. Maybe not much.)

The storage facility will accept shipments, right?

cons: $



-- 
sheila

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Mon Mar 12 02:22:43 2007
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:22:43 -0500
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sheila miguez wrote:
> On 3/11/07, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>> Chris McAvoy wrote:
>>> I put a hold on a space at 9700 W. Irving Park Rd (very close to the
>>> hotel) for a 5 x 10 x 8 space (it was the closest they had to the 6 x
>>> 6 suggestion).  It's $63.70 / month, $23 for the first month.
>> So $700ish plus shipping plus hassle (mainly the shipping/receiving).
>>
>> I understand the need for a staging area right before the conference, but other
>> than the 40 power strips, what is in the 10-15 boxes?  Wondering if it worth the
>> $700+?
> 
> pros:
> Multiple people can have access to the storage facility. less of a
> bottleneck for getting to stuff than if it was stored at someone's
> house. (Not even sure how much of a chore it is to arrange times to
> meet with someone to pick up stuff. Maybe not much.)
> 
> The storage facility will accept shipments, right?
> 
> cons: $

I thought Carl was perhaps proposing that shipping some of the materials 
isn't really worth it.  Though I think there's also a bunch of wireless 
routers which probably are worth keeping.  We also have to judge not 
just the value of buying the materials, but also the effort of buying 
materials.

*But*, if just the routers and some other pieces are particularly 
valuable, maybe it could all go in a big box and go in someone's 
basement at least for the next 6 months or so before we start collecting 
actual stuff for next year -- if nothing else, that makes the shipping a 
lot easier, since we'd have an actual person on the other end to accept 
shipment.  And stuff like power strips could just be donated to a Dallas 
area school or something.

-- 
Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org

From ken at stox.org  Mon Mar 12 03:28:40 2007
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:28:40 -0500
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Two things:

1) I hope you are looking at climate controlled storage. While it might
be possible in Dallas, the weather up here will play havoc with stored
equipment. Corrosion due to condensation can do a lot of damage to
connectors and circuit boards. 

2) I would leave the decision as to what equipment should be shipped, or
not, to those responsible for setting them up at the conference. There
is a great deal of value in the assemblage of the parts necessary to
make a working system. Even though some items may be inexpensive, the
effort necessary to get new ones, make sure they work, and compensate
for differences will quickly exceed any potential savings. Really silly
little details can chew up a lot of time.


From tottinge at gmail.com  Mon Mar 12 03:44:58 2007
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:44:58 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Teaching kids programming
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I have a strong incentive: my 10-year-old wants me to teach him.  Of course
I'll use Python.  I'll probably produce some of my own materials and post
them, or commons-license the pdfs or something.


On 3/11/07, Warren Thom <wt46 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>  *Good idea.  *
> *Here are a few more thoughts about kids and next year.*
> *(1)  Invite teachers & classes for the first keynote speaker on Friday
> (or Thursday afternoon).  Physics gets 10s of thousands from the 5 state
> region  to Six Flags for the May Physics day and large numbers attend MSI
> Chemistry day.  Python could accept reservations on a first come first
> served basis from the schools to control the numbers.  Would we want 8-13 or
> 13-18 year olds or just college students?  We have a large space that could
> handle up to 2000 as I understand it.  BTW -- around March is the state
> testing in Illinois schools.*
> *(2)  Provide an under 18 student rate registration -- with a student
> track of programs.  This is under consideration from what has been said.*
> *(3)  What do we know about the demographics of Python users/attendees?
> For 15 minutes after the keynote -- it would be interesting to group the
> "regular" attendees and provide Q & As  for student interaction.  We could
> provide information on jobs, python program applications, university
> programs, new applications  and ????.  *
> *(4)  What is the report from the Edu-sig?  I missed the Saturday night
> dinner in Dallas.*
> **
> *Warren*
> **
> **
> *Subject:* [Chicago] Teaching kids programming
>
>
> There has been some discussion here about teaching kids programming.  I
> came across this site http://stratolab.com/courses/lunarrepair/ as a link
> from the CherryPy site.  They are located in NYC and say " Although the
> workshop is set in fantasy, the programming you learn is real. This course
> teaches the basics of computer programming using the Python<http://stratolab.com/misc/python>language, including algorithms, variables, loops, and functions. You learn
> cartesian (X-Y) coordinates and simple algebra to draw shapes and make
> things move. Finally, a reason to learn math."  Maybe they could be invited
> to be part of the kids track at Chicago's pyCon?
>
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>
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From brad at allendev.com  Mon Mar 12 07:52:48 2007
From: brad at allendev.com (Brad Allen)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:52:48 -0600
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Chris McAvoy wrote:
>  I put a hold on a space at 9700 W. Irving Park Rd (very close to the
>  hotel) for a 5 x 10 x 8 space (it was the closest they had to the 6 x
>  6 suggestion).  It's $63.70 / month, $23 for the first month.

This seems a bit on the pricey side.I think the Dallas storage was
about $35/month, so we may want to leave them here for a few
months to save money.  I will check with the Dallas facility to
verify the pricing I remembered.

At 9:28 PM -0500 3/11/07, Kenneth P. Stox wrote:
>1) I hope you are looking at climate controlled storage. While it might
>be possible in Dallas, the weather up here will play havoc with stored
>equipment. Corrosion due to condensation can do a lot of damage to
>connectors and circuit boards.

The wireless access points are the only delicate equipment. Maybe they
should be separated out and kept at someone's home.

At 7:51 PM -0500 3/11/07, Carl Karsten wrote:
>
>I understand the need for a staging area right before the 
>conference, but other
>than the 40 power strips, what is in the 10-15 boxes?  Wondering if 
>it worth the
>$700+?

I missed out on the packing of those boxes, but I know a good part of the
bulk is made of network cables, two tripods, wireless access points,
and many long heavy duty extension cables. There is probably other
stuff I don't know about.

(if anyone inventoried the box contents please speak up)

One of us in the Dallas group is going to have to visit the facility again
pretty soon to box up the large power strips, and I will make sure we get
a better count on the actual number of boxes and a better idea of their
actual contents.

At 8:22 PM -0500 3/11/07, Ian Bicking wrote:
>And stuff like power strips could just be donated to a Dallas
>area school or something.

Don't underestimate the time, cost, and hassle required to re-purchase
and gather  "stuff like power strips".  Believe me, you're better
off not having to re-gather everything from scratch.

Those four foot power strips alone cost over $800 and Jeff spending
six hours in customer service hell at Fry's Electronics so he could
get the advertised discount price of $20 each.

What remains to be seen is the shipping cost to get this stuff to
Chicago. We are investigating bulk shipping options ('palletizing')
and should have a better idea soon.

From goodger at python.org  Mon Mar 12 14:08:56 2007
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
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	<a06230906c2186e754109@192.168.1.242> <45F2D107.7000405@python.org>
	<3096c19d0703100922m6eba8febl1e7b0a7cb28e92f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F4A41A.1020904@personnelware.com>
	<a0623091cc21a98e4a506@192.168.1.242>
Message-ID: <4335d2c40703120608s196197d0vad8f151f7f2b098d@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/12/07, Brad Allen <brad at allendev.com> wrote:
> I missed out on the packing of those boxes, but I know a good part of the
> bulk is made of network cables, two tripods, wireless access points,
> and many long heavy duty extension cables. There is probably other
> stuff I don't know about.
>
> (if anyone inventoried the box contents please speak up)

The summary above is correct.  The boxes were mostly network cables,
power cables, power strips, and 12 wireless access points in boxes. I
wrote the contents on several of the boxes (ballpoint pen on the top),
but there's no comprehensive inventory.

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From tcp at mac.com  Mon Mar 12 14:20:18 2007
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:20:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
In-Reply-To: <a0623091cc21a98e4a506@[192.168.1.242]>
References: <4335d2c40703050839n883c79fkab6708d5d930249d@mail.gmail.com>
	<780028.1620.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4335d2c40703091416h456c8a77tc130a290753409d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<a06230906c2186e754109@192.168.1.242> <45F2D107.7000405@python.org>
	<3096c19d0703100922m6eba8febl1e7b0a7cb28e92f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F4A41A.1020904@personnelware.com>
	<a0623091cc21a98e4a506@[192.168.1.242]>
Message-ID: <A4120382-47E2-4BB6-A807-AA98BBD34458@mac.com>


On Mar 12, 2007, at 1:52 AM, Brad Allen wrote:

> This seems a bit on the pricey side.I think the Dallas storage was
> about $35/month, so we may want to leave them here for a few
> months to save money.  I will check with the Dallas facility to
> verify the pricing I remembered.


I agree; I think the best thing to do at this point would be to leave  
the gear in storage in Texas until it's closer in time to PyCon 2008,  
if possible.   The more stable climate (at least condensation-wise)  
and the lower costs in TX make it preferable, in my mind, to keep it  
there until closer in time to PyCon, if that's workable with the  
folks in DFW.

All the best,

-ted


From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Mon Mar 12 14:56:14 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:56:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
In-Reply-To: <a0623091cc21a98e4a506@192.168.1.242>
References: <4335d2c40703050839n883c79fkab6708d5d930249d@mail.gmail.com>
	<780028.1620.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4335d2c40703091416h456c8a77tc130a290753409d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<a06230906c2186e754109@192.168.1.242> <45F2D107.7000405@python.org>
	<3096c19d0703100922m6eba8febl1e7b0a7cb28e92f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F4A41A.1020904@personnelware.com>
	<a0623091cc21a98e4a506@192.168.1.242>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703120656t65ba271er91cced65c11d50d7@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/12/07, Brad Allen <brad at allendev.com> wrote:
> Chris McAvoy wrote:
> >  I put a hold on a space at 9700 W. Irving Park Rd (very close to the
> >  hotel) for a 5 x 10 x 8 space (it was the closest they had to the 6 x
> >  6 suggestion).  It's $63.70 / month, $23 for the first month.
>
> This seems a bit on the pricey side.I think the Dallas storage was
> about $35/month, so we may want to leave them here for a few
> months to save money.  I will check with the Dallas facility to
> verify the pricing I remembered.

Sounds like a good idea.  As an aside, the cost of living, in general,
is higher here.  So anticipate price increases similar to this on
almost everything.

Chris

From jafo at tummy.com  Mon Mar 12 07:48:44 2007
From: jafo at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:48:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
In-Reply-To: <a0623091cc21a98e4a506@[192.168.1.242]>
References: <4335d2c40703050839n883c79fkab6708d5d930249d@mail.gmail.com>
	<780028.1620.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4335d2c40703091416h456c8a77tc130a290753409d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<a06230906c2186e754109@192.168.1.242> <45F2D107.7000405@python.org>
	<3096c19d0703100922m6eba8febl1e7b0a7cb28e92f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F4A41A.1020904@personnelware.com>
	<a0623091cc21a98e4a506@[192.168.1.242]>
Message-ID: <20070312064844.GR15526@tummy.com>

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 12:52:48AM -0600, Brad Allen wrote:
>What remains to be seen is the shipping cost to get this stuff to
>Chicago. We are investigating bulk shipping options ('palletizing')
>and should have a better idea soon.

FYI, it cost us $200 to have our car shipped around 300 miles, and pinball
machines and engines typically cost around $125 to ship across country.
That doesn't tend to cover loading or unloading at either end, though, so
if it's really a pallet you may have to have gear at the destination to
unload it.

Sean
-- 
 I think the net needs some Viagra today.  It's just not performing...
                 -- Mike Loseke, 2000
Sean Reifschneider, Member of Technical Staff <jafo at tummy.com>
tummy.com, ltd. - Linux Consulting since 1995: Ask me about High Availability


From jafo at tummy.com  Mon Mar 12 14:51:58 2007
From: jafo at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:51:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40703120608s196197d0vad8f151f7f2b098d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4335d2c40703050839n883c79fkab6708d5d930249d@mail.gmail.com>
	<780028.1620.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4335d2c40703091416h456c8a77tc130a290753409d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<a06230906c2186e754109@192.168.1.242> <45F2D107.7000405@python.org>
	<3096c19d0703100922m6eba8febl1e7b0a7cb28e92f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F4A41A.1020904@personnelware.com>
	<a0623091cc21a98e4a506@192.168.1.242>
	<4335d2c40703120608s196197d0vad8f151f7f2b098d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070312135157.GU15526@tummy.com>

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 09:08:56AM -0400, David Goodger wrote:
>wrote the contents on several of the boxes (ballpoint pen on the top),
>but there's no comprehensive inventory.

The last 4 that were in our room until Friday night we took a quick
inventory of and wrote it on the top of them before taping them up.

Thanks,
Sean
-- 
 When men are pure, laws are useless; when men are corrupt, laws are
 broken.  -- Benjamin Disraeli
Sean Reifschneider, Member of Technical Staff <jafo at tummy.com>
tummy.com, ltd. - Linux Consulting since 1995: Ask me about High Availability


From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 15:57:04 2007
From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:57:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Slides for Unicode Talk
Message-ID: <867138.24106.qm@web34812.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've finally posted the slides and source code from my Unicode talk. 
Get them while they're fresh at:

http://feihonghsu.blogspot.com/2007/03/unicode-talk.html

- Feihong




 
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From brad at allendev.com  Mon Mar 12 18:04:06 2007
From: brad at allendev.com (Brad Allen)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:04:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
In-Reply-To: <A4120382-47E2-4BB6-A807-AA98BBD34458@mac.com>
References: <4335d2c40703050839n883c79fkab6708d5d930249d@mail.gmail.com>
	<780028.1620.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4335d2c40703091416h456c8a77tc130a290753409d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<a06230906c2186e754109@192.168.1.242> <45F2D107.7000405@python.org>
	<3096c19d0703100922m6eba8febl1e7b0a7cb28e92f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F4A41A.1020904@personnelware.com>
	<a0623091cc21a98e4a506@[192.168.1.242]>
	<A4120382-47E2-4BB6-A807-AA98BBD34458@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a0623091fc21b36d9f594@[192.168.1.242]>

At 8:20 AM -0500 3/12/07, Ted Pollari wrote:
>On Mar 12, 2007, at 1:52 AM, Brad Allen wrote:
>
>>  This seems a bit on the pricey side.I think the Dallas storage was
>>  about $35/month, so we may want to leave them here for a few
>>  months to save money.  I will check with the Dallas facility to
>>  verify the pricing I remembered.
>
>
>I agree; I think the best thing to do at this point would be to leave 
>the gear in storage in Texas until it's closer in time to PyCon 2008, 
>if possible.   The more stable climate (at least condensation-wise) 
>and the lower costs in TX make it preferable, in my mind, to keep it 
>there until closer in time to PyCon, if that's workable with the
>folks in DFW.

That's workable with us, but unfortunately the rate at our storage
facility has increased to $52/month.

It will still save a little money to keep the items here, and it sounds
like the environmental conditions are better. Should we think in
terms of shipping the items in Jan or Feb 2008?

From fitz at red-bean.com  Mon Mar 12 17:28:10 2007
From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:28:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
In-Reply-To: <a0623091fc21b36d9f594@192.168.1.242>
References: <4335d2c40703050839n883c79fkab6708d5d930249d@mail.gmail.com>
	<780028.1620.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4335d2c40703091416h456c8a77tc130a290753409d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<a06230906c2186e754109@192.168.1.242> <45F2D107.7000405@python.org>
	<3096c19d0703100922m6eba8febl1e7b0a7cb28e92f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F4A41A.1020904@personnelware.com>
	<a0623091cc21a98e4a506@192.168.1.242>
	<A4120382-47E2-4BB6-A807-AA98BBD34458@mac.com>
	<a0623091fc21b36d9f594@192.168.1.242>
Message-ID: <a5375ad50703120928p73e240bfocd36bc69e46c6c37@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/12/07, Brad Allen <brad at allendev.com> wrote:
> At 8:20 AM -0500 3/12/07, Ted Pollari wrote:
> >On Mar 12, 2007, at 1:52 AM, Brad Allen wrote:
> >
> >>  This seems a bit on the pricey side.I think the Dallas storage was
> >>  about $35/month, so we may want to leave them here for a few
> >>  months to save money.  I will check with the Dallas facility to
> >>  verify the pricing I remembered.
> >
> >
> >I agree; I think the best thing to do at this point would be to leave
> >the gear in storage in Texas until it's closer in time to PyCon 2008,
> >if possible.   The more stable climate (at least condensation-wise)
> >and the lower costs in TX make it preferable, in my mind, to keep it
> >there until closer in time to PyCon, if that's workable with the
> >folks in DFW.
>
> That's workable with us, but unfortunately the rate at our storage
> facility has increased to $52/month.
>
> It will still save a little money to keep the items here, and it sounds
> like the environmental conditions are better. Should we think in
> terms of shipping the items in Jan or Feb 2008?

I can't speak to the storage facility that was quoted above, but most
storage facilities in Chicago are climate-controlled.

-Fitz

From tcp at mac.com  Mon Mar 12 17:47:15 2007
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:47:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] equipment in storage
In-Reply-To: <a0623091fc21b36d9f594@[192.168.1.242]>
References: <4335d2c40703050839n883c79fkab6708d5d930249d@mail.gmail.com>
	<780028.1620.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4335d2c40703091416h456c8a77tc130a290753409d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<a06230906c2186e754109@192.168.1.242> <45F2D107.7000405@python.org>
	<3096c19d0703100922m6eba8febl1e7b0a7cb28e92f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F4A41A.1020904@personnelware.com>
	<a0623091cc21a98e4a506@[192.168.1.242]>
	<A4120382-47E2-4BB6-A807-AA98BBD34458@mac.com>
	<a0623091fc21b36d9f594@[192.168.1.242]>
Message-ID: <2A39C3B5-17DC-470B-9785-29FC740E40C7@mac.com>


On Mar 12, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Brad Allen wrote:

> It will still save a little money to keep the items here, and it  
> sounds
> like the environmental conditions are better. Should we think in
> terms of shipping the items in Jan or Feb 2008?


That certainly seems reasonable to me.


-Ted



From david at ddahl.com  Mon Mar 12 15:31:46 2007
From: david at ddahl.com (David Dahl)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:31:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] 2 Month Contract - Django Developer
Message-ID: <442081ec0703120731s31b5bc6cj1735a4553cd13f5c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All:

I work at at Argonne National Laboratory, a US energy research
facility managed by the University of Chicago. I work on a team that
is implementing some Django applications. We need to hire a Django
developer for a 2 month contract to help us put a few finishing
touches on an application that will help us keep track of computer
systems on our LAN.

If you are interested, please contact me off-list by emailing me with
this address: dahl at anl.gov

I can provide you with more information, including which "head
hunters" we work with. (Due to regulations we have to hire you through
an "approved" contracting firm.)

Best Regards,

David Dahl

From goodmansond at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 20:10:48 2007
From: goodmansond at gmail.com (DeanG)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:10:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] XO Sugar Development Sprint?
Message-ID: <f5c6a5400703131210v565ce38bge3da5db1cf8bf69f@mail.gmail.com>

How did the discussions go regarding planning of an XO Sprint?

I copied the structure of a previous sprint wiki page for note gathering.
http://chipy.org/XO_Sugar_development_Sprint

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Mar 13 20:32:21 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:32:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] XO Sugar Development Sprint?
In-Reply-To: <f5c6a5400703131210v565ce38bge3da5db1cf8bf69f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f5c6a5400703131210v565ce38bge3da5db1cf8bf69f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17910.64581.818616.184959@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Dean> How did the discussions go regarding planning of an XO Sprint?

What is XO?  The wiki page you referenced contains no details.

Skip

From michael.greene at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 21:17:19 2007
From: michael.greene at gmail.com (Michael Greene)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:17:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sugar development image
Message-ID: <f4d6a21a0703131317q1611d121l9960c7f104fe6cbe@mail.gmail.com>

For those interested in OLPC development and the XO Sugar development
sprint, Mike Fletcher has posted a Sugar developer image with all the
fixings:

http://blog.vrplumber.com/1794

"it should allow a Linux or Win32 user to download it, and the VMWare
player and get started running and developing Python code for Sugar in
a few hours"

Michael

From ken at stox.org  Tue Mar 13 21:27:00 2007
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:27:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] XO Sugar Development Sprint?
In-Reply-To: <17910.64581.818616.184959@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <f5c6a5400703131210v565ce38bge3da5db1cf8bf69f@mail.gmail.com>
	<17910.64581.818616.184959@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1173817620.19456.4.camel@stox.dyndns.org>

On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 14:32 -0500, skip at pobox.com wrote:
>     Dean> How did the discussions go regarding planning of an XO Sprint?
> 
> What is XO?  The wiki page you referenced contains no details.

XO is the user interface for the OLPC ( One Laptop Per Child )
initiative.


From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Mar 13 21:27:10 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:27:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sugar development image
In-Reply-To: <f4d6a21a0703131317q1611d121l9960c7f104fe6cbe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4d6a21a0703131317q1611d121l9960c7f104fe6cbe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F7091E.5050800@personnelware.com>

Michael Greene wrote:
> For those interested in OLPC development and the XO Sugar development
> sprint, Mike Fletcher has posted a Sugar developer image with all the
> fixings:
> 
> http://blog.vrplumber.com/1794
> 
> "it should allow a Linux or Win32 user to download it, and the VMWare
> player and get started running and developing Python code for Sugar in
> a few hours"

At least on Linux, qemu is the recommended VM.  I don't think networking works 
out of the box with VMWare, as the olpc image doesn't support VMWares nic, but 
it does support qemu's.

Carl K

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Mar 13 21:30:41 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:30:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] XO Sprint requirements?
Message-ID: <17911.2545.936210.471750@montanaro.dyndns.org>

What are the hardware requirements for the proposed XO Sprint?  I'm a Mac
user and my only Linux laptop is a very long-in-the-tooth Dell Inspiron
(450MHz?) running Ubuntu.

Thx,

Skip

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 21:33:04 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:33:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sugar development image
In-Reply-To: <45F7091E.5050800@personnelware.com>
References: <f4d6a21a0703131317q1611d121l9960c7f104fe6cbe@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F7091E.5050800@personnelware.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703131333t49d74316wfdd4ffac69de80c0@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/13/07, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>
> At least on Linux, qemu is the recommended VM.  I don't think networking works
> out of the box with VMWare, as the olpc image doesn't support VMWares nic, but
> it does support qemu's.
>

It looks like he built a gentoo box and compiled Sugar on it, so it's
not really the XO image, just a good development environment for
Sugar.  Which is worth playing around with.  I'm going to kick of a
download in 5...4...3...2....Thanks corporate LAN!

Chris

From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Mar 13 21:38:06 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:38:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] XO Sugar Development Sprint?
In-Reply-To: <1173817620.19456.4.camel@stox.dyndns.org>
References: <f5c6a5400703131210v565ce38bge3da5db1cf8bf69f@mail.gmail.com>	<17910.64581.818616.184959@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<1173817620.19456.4.camel@stox.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <45F70BAE.2090507@personnelware.com>

Kenneth P. Stox wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 14:32 -0500, skip at pobox.com wrote:
>>     Dean> How did the discussions go regarding planning of an XO Sprint?
>>
>> What is XO?  The wiki page you referenced contains no details.
> 
> XO is the user interface for the OLPC ( One Laptop Per Child )
> initiative.

blizzard: Sugar is the user interface for OLPC
blizzard: XO is the machine

blizzard knows.

Carl K

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 21:38:54 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:38:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] XO Sprint requirements?
In-Reply-To: <17911.2545.936210.471750@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <17911.2545.936210.471750@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703131338g27927efdv3ce6517f734d8784@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/13/07, skip at pobox.com <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
> What are the hardware requirements for the proposed XO Sprint?  I'm a Mac
> user and my only Linux laptop is a very long-in-the-tooth Dell Inspiron
> (450MHz?) running Ubuntu.

AFAIK, you need an x86 machine.  If your Mac is of the Intel variety,
Vmware released a beta for Vmware Fusion, a Vmware server for OSX.  I
just bought a macbook this week, and haven't tried the to use Fusion
yet, so I don't have a specific report.

Part of my justification for buying the Macbook was "I have to help
OLPC change the world."

Which is the cheesiest justification for a hardware purchase...ever.

Chris

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Tue Mar 13 21:57:00 2007
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:57:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sugar development image
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703131333t49d74316wfdd4ffac69de80c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4d6a21a0703131317q1611d121l9960c7f104fe6cbe@mail.gmail.com>	<45F7091E.5050800@personnelware.com>
	<3096c19d0703131333t49d74316wfdd4ffac69de80c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F7101C.8070704@colorstudy.com>

Chris McAvoy wrote:
> On 3/13/07, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>> At least on Linux, qemu is the recommended VM.  I don't think networking works
>> out of the box with VMWare, as the olpc image doesn't support VMWares nic, but
>> it does support qemu's.
>>
> 
> It looks like he built a gentoo box and compiled Sugar on it, so it's
> not really the XO image, just a good development environment for
> Sugar.  Which is worth playing around with.  I'm going to kick of a
> download in 5...4...3...2....Thanks corporate LAN!

Right; this is really a Gentoo image, that also happens to have all the 
Sugar components built (which is hard).  The other images are the 
identical images to what gets put on the actual laptop, which is smaller 
and not really suited to development.

-- 
Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Mar 13 21:58:40 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:58:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] XO Sprint requirements?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703131338g27927efdv3ce6517f734d8784@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17911.2545.936210.471750@montanaro.dyndns.org>
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    >> What are the hardware requirements for the proposed XO Sprint?  I'm a
    >> Mac user ...

    Chris> AFAIK, you need an x86 machine....

And the related thread led me to qemu which led me to Q:

    http://www.kju-app.org/kju/

I'll give that a whirl on my G5.  Might be a good excuse to buy more
RAM. ;-)

    Chris> Part of my justification for buying the Macbook was "I have to
    Chris> help OLPC change the world."

    Chris> Which is the cheesiest justification for a hardware
    Chris> purchase...ever.

My wife is going to be out of town most of the summer and will need a
'puter.  I'm thinking of donating my PowerBook to her and buying a new
MacBook for myself.  Your justification might be bleu cheese, but I think
mine is probably gorgonzola. ;-)

Skip

P.S.  If you have young kids:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stinky_Cheese_Man

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Tue Mar 13 21:59:52 2007
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:59:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] XO Sprint requirements?
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skip at pobox.com wrote:
> What are the hardware requirements for the proposed XO Sprint?  I'm a Mac
> user and my only Linux laptop is a very long-in-the-tooth Dell Inspiron
> (450MHz?) running Ubuntu.

Intel Macs work fine with qemu, and probably VMWare.  I think VMWare is 
substantially faster.  Your laptop would be fine if you were running all 
the code natively, but under emulation it might be a bit slow to work 
with.  But I'm not sure -- I've only really used qemu (which is 
slowish), but VMWare is supposed to be quite a bit faster.  At native 
speeds a 450MHz computer should be fine.

Since we'd all be working in virtual environments, we don't necessarily 
need to be using personal machines.  Also pairing can work well in sprints.

-- 
Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org

From esinclai at pobox.com  Tue Mar 13 22:01:00 2007
From: esinclai at pobox.com (Eric Sinclair)
Date: 13 Mar 2007 16:01:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] XO Sprint requirements?
Message-ID: <3256646481.2246781@mail.kittyjoyce.com>

I was able to get the 239 image mostly working under Parallels - so VMware may not be the only option required.

-Eric, changing the world, virtually

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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Chicago] XO Sprint requirements?
To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>Reply-to: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>

On 3/13/07, skip at pobox.com <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
> What are the hardware requirements for the proposed XO Sprint?  I'm a Mac
> user and my only Linux laptop is a very long-in-the-tooth Dell Inspiron
> (450MHz?) running Ubuntu.
>
>AFAIK, you need an x86 machine.  If your Mac is of the Intel variety, Vmware released a beta for Vmware Fusion, a Vmware server for OSX.  I just bought a macbook this week, and haven't tried the to use Fusion
>yet, so I don't have a specific report.
>
>Part of my justification for buying the Macbook was "I have to help OLPC change the world."
>
>Which is the cheesiest justification for a hardware purchase...ever.
>
>Chris
>_______________________________________________
>Chicago mailing list
>Chicago at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 22:05:02 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:05:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] XO Sprint requirements?
In-Reply-To: <45F710C8.2080100@colorstudy.com>
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On 3/13/07, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:
>
> Since we'd all be working in virtual environments, we don't necessarily
> need to be using personal machines.  Also pairing can work well in sprints.
>

I liked the idea you mentioned at the meeting for mounting an NFS
share from our work machines (or vice versa) where we'd actually edit
the code, then execute it on the image, rather than working inside the
image.

Sadly, bittorrent is blocked at work, so I'll fool around with the
Gentoo image at home.

Virtualization rules...total aside, but really...we live in the future.

Chris

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Tue Mar 13 22:11:04 2007
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:11:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] XO Sprint requirements?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703131405m79b92f30j87ce17640df94e18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17911.2545.936210.471750@montanaro.dyndns.org>	<45F710C8.2080100@colorstudy.com>
	<3096c19d0703131405m79b92f30j87ce17640df94e18@mail.gmail.com>
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Chris McAvoy wrote:
> On 3/13/07, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:
>> Since we'd all be working in virtual environments, we don't necessarily
>> need to be using personal machines.  Also pairing can work well in sprints.
>>
> 
> I liked the idea you mentioned at the meeting for mounting an NFS
> share from our work machines (or vice versa) where we'd actually edit
> the code, then execute it on the image, rather than working inside the
> image.
> 
> Sadly, bittorrent is blocked at work, so I'll fool around with the
> Gentoo image at home.
> 
> Virtualization rules...total aside, but really...we live in the future.

I haven't tried the newest images at all -- they have a 303 stable 
build, apparently: 
http://olpc.download.redhat.com/olpc/streams/development/LATEST-STABLE-BUILD/ext3/

If you want to try to boot this in VMWare you could try this.  Use alt-= 
to get the console, and the root user has no password so you can just su 
- to get that.  Then yum install nfs-server (I think?) and go from there 
if you are familiar with NFS.  If you could mount the image's computer 
with VMWare reasonably easy, that'd be awesome -- I failed with image 
239, but I think some improvements have been made since that build. 
Doubly great if you could do Samba too.  (I think to use VMWare you have 
to get qemu to convert the image -- there's instructions somewhere on 
wiki.laptop.org, I think.)

If anyone tries this and succeeds or fails, please report back here with 
what you did.  At least qemu (and probably VMWare) automatically save 
your progress in the image file, so make a copy so you can start fresh 
if you mess up.  Then if you get all the pieces together, you could 
potentially just distribute that new image.

-- 
Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org

From tcp at mac.com  Tue Mar 13 22:11:25 2007
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:11:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] XO Sprint requirements?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703131405m79b92f30j87ce17640df94e18@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mar 13, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Chris McAvoy wrote:

>
> Virtualization rules...total aside, but really...we live in the  
> future.


I don't live in the __future__, but I import from it...


-t



From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Mar 14 18:04:10 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:04:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] can there be only one?
Message-ID: <45F82B0A.60202@personnelware.com>

I am gonna get a vga grabber box for capturing presentations (like @chipy, and 
then pycon08) (what I do with the resulting wad of bytes has yet to be 
determined.)  ( :) )=

Now to pick one out... the only one I have found is 
https://ssl.epiphan.com/products/product.php?pid=1

It seems to do what I want, but I would like to shop around - but so far it is 
the only one I have found.  Anyone know of any others?

Requirements: capture 1024x768 vga signal.  not S-video, not software, not a cam 
corder.

Carl K

From tcp at mac.com  Thu Mar 15 17:08:24 2007
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:08:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2008 Hotel Update -- (Networking & Space & a 2009
	option)
Message-ID: <993C51D4-1359-4B26-B579-6BBBD6BA38C1@mac.com>

There was a walk through of the hotel yesterday, in attendance were  
Larry Skaja and Tim Costello from CTE, along with  Carl Karsten and I.

We met with Don Johnston, the manager of A/V services, Sue Parikh,  
the sales manager who's handling our contract, Marcia Perzyna, the  
hotel's meeting director, and the hotel's IT manager, who's name/card  
I didn't get and a few other executives from the hotel who were in  
attendance for brief introductions, etc.

===============
networking issues:
===============

The bad news:  the hotel's internet service is provided by iBAHN, no  
real surprise there. The iBAHN service appears to only have one AP  
per ballroom (we got a look at the network closets while we were on  
the tour), so obviously we'd be facing the exact same sort of issues  
we faced with the iBHAN provided network in Dallas in 2006.

The good news:  The hotel is more than willing to work with us on  
bringing in our own/separate internet service (this is a complete 180  
from their previous stance!).  They expressed genuine interest in  
helping us get this worked out right -- they said they've had one or  
two occasions where they had a large number of laptop users in a  
concentrated area and had some networking issues with their iBAHN  
provided network, which they viewed as a serious embarrassment.    
They were willing to explore the idea of pushing iBAHN for more  
service, but they discouraged that option as they'd prefer to keep  
iBAHN out of the deal and they also didn't seem optimistic for  
reasonable pricing for increased service.

We've agreed to leave the networking issues out of the contract, with  
the understanding (written into the contract, I believe) that there  
will be an additional agreement drafted about networking at a future  
date.  I see this as very reasonable -- it seemed clear to me that  
they were taking our group very seriously and believing our  
insistence that we'd overwhelm the current network.

Bringing in our own outside provider, with the hotel's help, may not  
be cheap, but whatever price we pay, I'm certain it will be fair, and  
that's  a big improvement from what we saw in Dallas, from what I  
gather.  Doing so will likely require the hotel to do a number of  
additional cable runs, from the main networking closet to the various  
rooms where we'll want access points.  At present, the iBAHN network  
drops (which we'd have to work to use) are only a single cat 5 jack  
per room, including ballrooms, from what we saw/were told.  We'll  
obviously need more/our own, dedicated runs which I'm sure that the  
hotel will want us to cover some of the cost for those cable drops,  
but Larry and I both think that we should not be paying much, if  
anything, for that improvement.   I'm sure we can work something out  
as there'll be lasting value to the hotel in having them available,  
so clearly they should share a good deal of the cost for that.

As far as ISP's go, the hotel is amenable to exploring any option  
with us -- everything from DSL lines to a WISP to bringing in more T1  
lines over the T3 line they've got running into their premises from  
SBC.   The only catch is that we'll need to get ourselves moving on  
these plans ASAP -- the more lead time everyone involved has, the  
better.

What we need, ASAP:

- Bandwidth requirements.  Sean's minimum was 9 mbps -- are we still  
fine with that as a minimum?  What would be our desired number?
- Number of AP's per ballroom/tutorial room -- this will give the  
hotel an idea of what we'll need for the new cable runs.


What we need soon:

- An ISP and a networking plan.



======
Space:
======


See http://www.crowneplazaohare.com/page15.aspx for the room  
dimensions/relative sizes.

The basic layout is that the ballrooms are all on the main level,  
with one main hallway allowing access to all of them.  One floor down  
are all of the remaining rooms on that layout.  Many of them are  
directly underneath the ballrooms and the rest are along another  
hallway that runs perpendicular to the main hallway, at its end. The  
lower meeting rooms are connected to the upper level by a staircase  
and an escalator.  Elevators are available, but they're not ideally  
located and would require a little walk to go from the ballrooms to  
the meeting rooms directly below.  The staircase/escalator are not  
the largest I've seen, but they'll more than suffice for traffic  
flow, given that our main sessions will all be in the ballroom spaces.

The Heathrow, Orly and Templehoff were tiny.  That's fine we will  
basically have the run of the place and can have as many or as few  
rooms as we need.  (and  http://www.crowneplazaohare.com/pdfs/ 
capchart.pdf for the capacity info)

For tutorials, the Kennedy, Midway, Kitty Hawk, Kai Tak, Haneda, La  
Guardia, and Love Int'l A and B could all suitably be used for  
tutorial sessions.   The Midway room was ideal in many respects,  
resembling many a college classroom I've been in, complete with built- 
in desks/chairs.

For registration and then vendor/sponsor space, we can use the  
atrium, which is a nice open feeling space on the other side of the  
cafe area.  This will give vendors/sponsors a more prominent  
placement that will get them more mindshare than where we've had them  
in previous years.

Adjacent to the atrium space is a decent sized room that used to be  
the hotels video-game room, which they're adding as an office space  
for the conference.  It's lockable (no idea if we can get keys or if  
we'll need security to do it) but it's secure and yet close to the  
conference space and accessible.   We can (obviously) use it for an  
office or for storage if we need, but there'll be plenty of space for  
that elsewhere.


==========
2009 Option:
==========

We have a contract in hand for 2009 as well.  The only difference  
being that they want $105 per room night.  That's not out of line  
according to Larry and not unreasonable in my opinion.

We don't have to act on it now and we will have the right of first  
refusal, so they won't sell it out from under us without giving us  
the chance to sign.

Having this is an excellent bargaining chip for IT, Catering, and A/V  
negotiations but I think we'd be best off holding off on signing it  
until we've negotiated the catering and IT issues and explored other  
options for other venues, such as something on the west coast.  I  
spoke with Larry about this issue this morning and he's willing to  
work with us on finding west coast options (or anywhere else that the  
group would like).



=======
Pictures:
=======

I'll post pictures shortly.  Another email to follow.

-ted










From tcp at mac.com  Thu Mar 15 20:09:10 2007
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:09:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] 2008 -- Crowne Plaza O'Hare Site Visit Photos...
Message-ID: <957ED323-E72E-442B-A21C-97A4AF14E8FB@mac.com>

As promised, the photos from the site visit can be found at: <http:// 
www.flickr.com/photos/pollari/sets/72157600001539055/detail/>
(shorter:  http://tinyurl.com/25acvs )  -- Each photo has a  
description, most of which attempt to orient you, relatively  
speaking, in the hotel.


These photos are meant to supplement the photos of the Crowne Plaza  
O'Hare as found on the hotels two websites:

<http://www.crowneplazaohare.com/default.aspx>  and:
<http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/cp/1/en/hotel/chiok?_requestid=682714>

-Ted


From pfein at pobox.com  Fri Mar 16 15:54:59 2007
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:54:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Write up of Pycon 2007 Networking
Message-ID: <200703160954.59493.pfein@pobox.com>

http://www.tummy.com/Community/Articles/pycon2007-network/
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From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:31:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [PyCON-Organizers] PyCon 2008 Hotel Update --
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Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:12:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008
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I would liek to donate 2 FON linksys wrt54gl for the pycon if anyone would like to hack them...i.e. with 2 SSIDs, one FON and the other one private.
also if you need network equipment such as Cisco router, etc...I can see I can borrow.  Do you need someone volunteer for network design or implementation?
I really want to learn Python...so any chance for me to earn brownie points would be appreciated.


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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Sun Mar 18 18:22:39 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:22:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] VMWare Gentoo OLPC Image
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703181022y1d518297k59c349ee180f2206@mail.gmail.com>

I downloaded it, and was able to bring it up in VMware fusion on the mac.

It looks pretty neat.  No word yet on the NFS test, I'll try it out later.

Chris

From goodger at python.org  Mon Mar 19 15:55:09 2007
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:55:09 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] [PyCON-Organizers] PyCon 2008 Hotel Update --
	(Networking & Space & a 2009 option)
In-Reply-To: <993C51D4-1359-4B26-B579-6BBBD6BA38C1@mac.com>
References: <993C51D4-1359-4B26-B579-6BBBD6BA38C1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4335d2c40703190755x3ed4aaeev8c92f8eec9e3af11@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/15/07, Ted Pollari <tcp at mac.com> wrote:
> There was a walk through of the hotel yesterday,

Thanks for this!

> ==========
> 2009 Option:
> ==========
>
> We have a contract in hand for 2009 as well.  The only difference
> being that they want $105 per room night.  That's not out of line
> according to Larry and not unreasonable in my opinion.

A reasonable increase.

> We don't have to act on it now and we will have the right of first
> refusal, so they won't sell it out from under us without giving us
> the chance to sign.

That's a good option.  I wasn't looking forward to doing this again
for 2009 over the next few months.

> Having this is an excellent bargaining chip for IT, Catering, and
> A/V negotiations but I think we'd be best off holding off on signing
> it until we've negotiated the catering and IT issues

Agreed.

> and explored other options for other venues, such as something on
> the west coast.  I spoke with Larry about this issue this morning
> and he's willing to work with us on finding west coast options (or
> anywhere else that the group would like).

There's that old saying: "a bird in hand is worth two in the bush".  I
would have no problem having PyCon in Chicago for two years.  In fact,
I would be quite happy doing that.

Even with CTE's help, if we look for a west coast option (or anywhere
else), it's clear to me that we need a local group for the conference
to be successful.  The Dallas / Fort Worth Pythoneers helped out a lot
with 2006/2007, probably more than we'll ever know.  You in Chicago
are beginning to realize how much there is to do -- and how much fun
it will be!  But an enthusiastic local *team* is incredibly important.

> I'll post pictures shortly.  Another email to follow.

The pictures & floor plan were very helpful, thanks!

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From goodger at python.org  Mon Mar 19 16:04:08 2007
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:04:08 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] [PyCON-Organizers] PyCon 2008 Hotel Update --
	(Networking & Space & a 2009 option)
In-Reply-To: <20070316151323.GA10197@tummy.com>
References: <993C51D4-1359-4B26-B579-6BBBD6BA38C1@mac.com>
	<20070316151323.GA10197@tummy.com>
Message-ID: <4335d2c40703190804m3d50c268t48d6978e07186728@mail.gmail.com>

> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:08:24AM -0500, Ted Pollari wrote:
>> - Number of AP's per ballroom/tutorial room -- this will give the
>> hotel an idea of what we'll need for the new cable runs.

On 3/16/07, Sean Reifschneider <jafo at tummy.com> wrote:
> For 2007 the tutorial rooms, during the tutorials, had one AP each.

Note that most of the tutorials sold out, and we have more and bigger
rooms for tutorials in 2008.  I have been doing data entry on the
tutorial feedback forms, and wireless connectivity was a common
complaint (mornings & afternoons).  The number of associations per AP
is the limiting factor here, since we can assume close to 100% of
people bring their laptops and use wireless.  We may want to plan for
2 APs for the larger rooms.

What is the typical capacity (number of simultaneous association)
for each AP?

> During the conference there was one AP for each of the 3 blocks of
> tutorial rooms, and 8 covering the whole ballroom.

We should plan to beef up the wireless coverage of the main conference
as well.  We had 44% growth in 2007; who knows what it will be in
2008?

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From goodger at python.org  Tue Mar 20 14:28:50 2007
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:28:50 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] [PyCON-Organizers] PyCon 2008 Hotel Update --
	(Networking & Space & a 2009 option)
In-Reply-To: <20070320043450.GB27014@tummy.com>
References: <993C51D4-1359-4B26-B579-6BBBD6BA38C1@mac.com>
	<4335d2c40703190755x3ed4aaeev8c92f8eec9e3af11@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070320043450.GB27014@tummy.com>
Message-ID: <4335d2c40703200628s741329bcp3d04a8194e76ec53@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/20/07, Sean Reifschneider <jafo at tummy.com> wrote:
> It is not unusual to plan an event like PyCon 2 years out.  In fact, my
> experience is that coming up with a venue for 1 year out is optimistic and
> a lot of locations will already be committed for the more desirable dates.
> So, planning to move 2009 to another location, I would say, is past due,
> and 2010 should be done by around when PyCon 2008 happens.

Agreed. I'm still open to 2009 somewhere else, if someone wants to
push for it, but happy to stay in Chicago. We should decide on 2009 in
the next 6 months, and I want to nail down 2010 around this time next
year (perhaps at PyCon). I don't relish having to go through this
process 3 times in 12 months. I have a real job too ;-)

We can always come back to Chicago, or Dallas (but in a bigger venue),
or DC (ditto), in future years, once the locals have had time to
decompress.

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Mar 20 04:33:08 2007
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:33:08 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] [PyCON-Organizers] PyCon 2008 Hotel Update --
	(Networking & Space & a 2009 option)
In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40703190804m3d50c268t48d6978e07186728@mail.gmail.com>
References: <993C51D4-1359-4B26-B579-6BBBD6BA38C1@mac.com>
	<20070316151323.GA10197@tummy.com>
	<4335d2c40703190804m3d50c268t48d6978e07186728@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070320033308.GA22729@panix.com>

On Mon, Mar 19, 2007, David Goodger wrote:
>
> We should plan to beef up the wireless coverage of the main conference
> as well.  We had 44% growth in 2007; who knows what it will be in
> 2008?

Does it make sense to include wired access around the periphery?  I sure
would use wired (and did at the DC PyCons).  Of course, with Sean's
comments about backhaul constraints, it wouldn't be that useful, but I
still tend to prefer wired because IME it's more consistent.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Typing is cheap.  Thinking is expensive."  --Roy Smith

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Mar 20 14:01:13 2007
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:01:13 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] [PyCON-Organizers] PyCon 2008 Hotel Update --
	(Networking & Space & a 2009 option)
In-Reply-To: <20070320041739.GA27014@tummy.com>
References: <993C51D4-1359-4B26-B579-6BBBD6BA38C1@mac.com>
	<20070316151323.GA10197@tummy.com>
	<4335d2c40703190804m3d50c268t48d6978e07186728@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070320033308.GA22729@panix.com>
	<20070320041739.GA27014@tummy.com>
Message-ID: <20070320130113.GA24662@panix.com>

On Mon, Mar 19, 2007, Sean Reifschneider wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:33:08PM -0700, Aahz wrote:
>>
>>comments about backhaul constraints, it wouldn't be that useful, but I
>>still tend to prefer wired because IME it's more consistent.
> 
> The problem with wired is that it's much more labor-intensive to deploy.
> I'm not against it, I'm just saying...

Is it really?  I'm not thinking of an extensive wired infrastructure,
just slapping down a 16-port switch next to each AP.  (8-port is probably
not enough because you lose two ports for the backhaul and AP, and you
can't fit more than ten people next to a switch without the labor you're
talking about.)

The idea is to take a little pressure off the wireless density.  Seems
that it's cheap enough to be worth the experiment, at least, and doubly
so if we do get more backhaul this year -- the people with heavy network
needs will tend to gravitate toward wired.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Typing is cheap.  Thinking is expensive."  --Roy Smith

From maney at two14.net  Tue Mar 20 17:44:08 2007
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:44:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [PyCON-Organizers] PyCon 2008 Hotel Update --
	(Networking & Space & a 2009 option)
In-Reply-To: <20070320130113.GA24662@panix.com>
References: <993C51D4-1359-4B26-B579-6BBBD6BA38C1@mac.com>
	<20070316151323.GA10197@tummy.com>
	<4335d2c40703190804m3d50c268t48d6978e07186728@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070320033308.GA22729@panix.com>
	<20070320041739.GA27014@tummy.com>
	<20070320130113.GA24662@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20070320164408.GA2389@furrr.two14.net>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 06:01:13AM -0700, Aahz wrote:
> Is it really?  I'm not thinking of an extensive wired infrastructure,
> just slapping down a 16-port switch next to each AP.  (8-port is probably
> not enough because you lose two ports for the backhaul and AP, and you
> can't fit more than ten people next to a switch without the labor you're
> talking about.)

Ah, BYOC wired?  Yeah, that sounds like it could be worth the minimal
trouble and expense.  +1 if it doesn't interfere with the APs
(physically - I'm thinking of the description of them just sitting on
chairs in Dallas, if I got that right.  this can probably be managed,
at least for some locations.  bigger issue might well be all those
cables underfoot, so some AP sites might be unsuitably near traffic
lanes.)

/me adds that he's quite the disinterested party, as he expects not to
be able to see much if any of Chi-Pycon due to schedule conficts.  :-(

-- 
In software as well as in modern art,
the distinction between intentional and accidental omissions
is often difficult to make.  -- Andrew Hunt & David Thomas


From andrew at humanized.com  Thu Mar 22 00:25:29 2007
From: andrew at humanized.com (Andrew Wilson)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:25:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Using WSGI as middleware for CGI
Message-ID: <c1b1d8150703211625h7861f82dxc7076275cb9fc1aa@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, guys,

Okay, crazy thought. I need to implement a site-wide authentication
mechanism, which for usability reasons *must* be cookie based. But *sigh*
most 3rd-party software really, really prefers HTTP auth. For our own
applications, I intend to implement a WSGI middleware application that
transforms cookie information into information on what user is logged in (if
any). This works great for our own web apps, and also for decently behaved
Python ones (e.g. Trac).

BUT. I am forced (by time limits) to use non-Python web applications that
run over CGI or FCGI.

Is there any way I can re-use my WSGI application as middleware in between
my webserver (ligghtpd) and a standard CGI script (again, translating cookie
information into the appropriate CGI information for http auth login)?

Thanks,
-- Andrew
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From ianb at colorstudy.com  Thu Mar 22 00:30:26 2007
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Using WSGI as middleware for CGI
In-Reply-To: <c1b1d8150703211625h7861f82dxc7076275cb9fc1aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1b1d8150703211625h7861f82dxc7076275cb9fc1aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4601C012.4070007@colorstudy.com>

Andrew Wilson wrote:
> Hey, guys,
> 
> Okay, crazy thought. I need to implement a site-wide authentication 
> mechanism, which for usability reasons *must* be cookie based. But 
> *sigh* most 3rd-party software really, really prefers HTTP auth. For our 
> own applications, I intend to implement a WSGI middleware application 
> that transforms cookie information into information on what user is 
> logged in (if any). This works great for our own web apps, and also for 
> decently behaved Python ones ( e.g. Trac).
> 
> BUT. I am forced (by time limits) to use non-Python web applications 
> that run over CGI or FCGI.
> 
> Is there any way I can re-use my WSGI application as middleware in 
> between my webserver (ligghtpd) and a standard CGI script (again, 
> translating cookie information into the appropriate CGI information for 
> http auth login)?

Of course, WSGI can do everything!  There's paste.cgiapp, which wraps 
CGI applications in a WSGI interface.  There's also past.proxy, which 
has a few options for proxying to other apps (but there's no standard 
for how you send the auth data -- but you could set a header and make 
your non-Python app read that header).  There's also wphp.fcgiapp, which 
sends a request over FastCGI to an already-started server process.  And 
wphp, which wraps all that up for running PHP apps specifically.

-- 
Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org
             | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers

From beau at open-source-staffing.com  Fri Mar 23 04:11:21 2007
From: beau at open-source-staffing.com (Beau Gould)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:11:21 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] [JOB] Senior Python Developer | Fetterman, WV | Paid Relo
Message-ID: <009a01c76cf8$eeef0700$6601a8c0@BEAU>

Senior Python Developer | Fetterman, WV | Paid Relo

**My client will cover full relocation expenses. 
 
My client is seeking a Senior Application Developer to join our software
development team, to serve as a significant contributor in the
design/development of next-generation web applications. The successful
candidate will be a key individual contributor and technical leader,
primarily focusing on the design/development of a CMS used extensively
by both external clients and internal teams. The successful candidate
should be able to create, maintain, and support code in web
applications, management tools, and infrastructure, and understand how
to best leverage both proprietary and open source technologies to ensure
delivery of quality products. You must understand process, but also be
able to adapt it for an entrepreneurial environment. You must possess a
solid software engineering background, new product development
expertise, and demonstrated proficiency in a relevant technical domain.
A track record of successful project completion and creative problem
solving with minimum supervision is important. Previous experience
developing content management systems and/or using open source
technologies is considered a plus. Qualified candidates who wish to push
the high-tech envelope while in the rural and adventurous setting of
West Virginia are encouraged to apply.

Position Responsibilities/Experience: 

* Architect, design and develop a content management system based on the
Zope / Plone framework, as well as design/implement any resulting
applications, products, features, scripts, or systems needed to support
this framework. 
* Work with everyone involved to understand customers' needs and develop
high-level software requirements and specifications. 
* Develop, debug, integrate, and support software solutions for hard
problems. 
* Provide engineering support to internal and external customers. 
* Execute aggressive schedules that meet stringent demands for quality,
functionality, supportability, usability and reliability. 
* Create and maintain appropriate technical documentation. 
* Participate in the creation and evolution of software life cycle
processes. 
* Handle several concurrent tasks and meeting scheduled milestones for
each. 
* Interface with customers, suppliers, and technical support team in a
high-energy environment. 
* Rare travel (up to 5%) may be necessary 

**My client will cover full relocation expenses. 

If you are interested in this position, please submit your resume,
salary requirements, and a paragraph (or two) highlighting your
skills/experience as it pertains to this job to
luke at open-source-staffing.com 

Thank you, 
Luke Chichetto 

Open Source Staffing 
www.open-source-staffing.com 
luke at open-source-staffing.com 
 
P.S. If you're not already a subscriber, please check out our Python
Jobs Yahoo Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pythonzopejobs -
Always jobs, never any spam (Currently 430 subscribers)

Also, if you're a Python Developer seeking a change, but not in West
Virginia, please take a moment to advise me of your current situation.
Should you be interested in evaluating new opportunities at present,
please email your resume along with your desired situation, salary, etc.



From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 05:22:36 2007
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:22:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [JOB] Senior Python Developer | Fetterman,
	WV | Paid Relo
In-Reply-To: <009a01c76cf8$eeef0700$6601a8c0@BEAU>
References: <009a01c76cf8$eeef0700$6601a8c0@BEAU>
Message-ID: <58a5f2220703222122h184a2efdw83ff26f84dbb0f6a@mail.gmail.com>

I grew up near Fairmont, WV and would hope to sometime return there. For
anyone who fits the requirements of this job, it's a wonderful place. It's
very beautiful in the Autumn. Even better. There is a place called D&S
Collectibles in White Hall, best game shop I've ever had the pleasure of
running into. There are good people back home, it's a great place to live.

On 3/22/07, Beau Gould <beau at open-source-staffing.com> wrote:
>
> Senior Python Developer | Fetterman, WV | Paid Relo
>
> **My client will cover full relocation expenses.
>
> My client is seeking a Senior Application Developer to join our software
> development team, to serve as a significant contributor in the
> design/development of next-generation web applications. The successful
> candidate will be a key individual contributor and technical leader,
> primarily focusing on the design/development of a CMS used extensively
> by both external clients and internal teams. The successful candidate
> should be able to create, maintain, and support code in web
> applications, management tools, and infrastructure, and understand how
> to best leverage both proprietary and open source technologies to ensure
> delivery of quality products. You must understand process, but also be
> able to adapt it for an entrepreneurial environment. You must possess a
> solid software engineering background, new product development
> expertise, and demonstrated proficiency in a relevant technical domain.
> A track record of successful project completion and creative problem
> solving with minimum supervision is important. Previous experience
> developing content management systems and/or using open source
> technologies is considered a plus. Qualified candidates who wish to push
> the high-tech envelope while in the rural and adventurous setting of
> West Virginia are encouraged to apply.
>
> Position Responsibilities/Experience:
>
> * Architect, design and develop a content management system based on the
> Zope / Plone framework, as well as design/implement any resulting
> applications, products, features, scripts, or systems needed to support
> this framework.
> * Work with everyone involved to understand customers' needs and develop
> high-level software requirements and specifications.
> * Develop, debug, integrate, and support software solutions for hard
> problems.
> * Provide engineering support to internal and external customers.
> * Execute aggressive schedules that meet stringent demands for quality,
> functionality, supportability, usability and reliability.
> * Create and maintain appropriate technical documentation.
> * Participate in the creation and evolution of software life cycle
> processes.
> * Handle several concurrent tasks and meeting scheduled milestones for
> each.
> * Interface with customers, suppliers, and technical support team in a
> high-energy environment.
> * Rare travel (up to 5%) may be necessary
>
> **My client will cover full relocation expenses.
>
> If you are interested in this position, please submit your resume,
> salary requirements, and a paragraph (or two) highlighting your
> skills/experience as it pertains to this job to
> luke at open-source-staffing.com
>
> Thank you,
> Luke Chichetto
>
> Open Source Staffing
> www.open-source-staffing.com
> luke at open-source-staffing.com
>
> P.S. If you're not already a subscriber, please check out our Python
> Jobs Yahoo Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pythonzopejobs -
> Always jobs, never any spam (Currently 430 subscribers)
>
> Also, if you're a Python Developer seeking a change, but not in West
> Virginia, please take a moment to advise me of your current situation.
> Should you be interested in evaluating new opportunities at present,
> please email your resume along with your desired situation, salary, etc.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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emperorcezar at gmail.com
312-399-5161
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From ken at stox.org  Fri Mar 23 05:42:21 2007
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:42:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [JOB] Senior Python Developer | Fetterman,
	WV | Paid	Relo
In-Reply-To: <58a5f2220703222122h184a2efdw83ff26f84dbb0f6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009a01c76cf8$eeef0700$6601a8c0@BEAU>
	<58a5f2220703222122h184a2efdw83ff26f84dbb0f6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1174624941.1638.5.camel@stox.dyndns.org>

On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 23:22 -0500, Adam Jenkins wrote:
> I grew up near Fairmont, WV and would hope to sometime return there.
> For anyone who fits the requirements of this job, it's a wonderful
> place. It's very beautiful in the Autumn. Even better. There is a
> place called D&S Collectibles in White Hall, best game shop I've ever
> had the pleasure of running into. There are good people back home,
> it's a great place to live. 

Some wonderful spelunking opportunities in that area, too. 


From clive.elwell at gmail.com  Sun Mar 25 15:52:50 2007
From: clive.elwell at gmail.com (Clive Elwell)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:52:50 +0100
Subject: [Chicago] importing a website
Message-ID: <00c501c76ee4$e9d94e40$90bee150@Clive>

Hi, new to this list

I have a problem. I have just become joint manager of a website, with someone who lives on the other side of the world. To operate jointly, it seems to me we need to be able to import the latest version of our website (assuming the other person has made changes to it recently) onto our respective hard drives.

Then when we have an updated version, we can make our own updates and republish.

So that is the theory, But when I (or the other person) tries to import, what comes in is stripped of navigation and themes.

While importing, the process continually stops with messages like:

the import wizard was unable to save....derived/countries.htmcmp5th choice010_bnr.gif
another user may be editing this file or the file may be checked out under source control.

["countries" is one of the web pages]

We host with GoDaddy

Any suggestions on how to import the website completely intact?

Thanks

Clive
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From tcp at mac.com  Mon Mar 26 20:40:18 2007
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:40:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2008 -- minor update
Message-ID: <3B995B54-CDB1-456B-9CBC-065CF3E74A43@mac.com>

Well, it really really is happening in Chicago.  The contract with  
the Crowne Plaza O'Hare was signed by the Python Software Foundation  
and faxed today... so, now, it's final and official... PyCon's  
happening here in 50 weeks.

Thanks to everyone who helped out through the process up to this point!!

And a reminder:  to get involved with (or just updated about)  PyCon  
2008 planning, check out the PyCon organizers mailing list:
  <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-organizers>


-ted


From rmcnelis at novaalt.com  Thu Mar 29 17:51:26 2007
From: rmcnelis at novaalt.com (Richard McNelis)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:51:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python Job in the Loop
Message-ID: <A122851035D77B459C6FC7D697E63FC107667E@IA-SBS01.novaalt.local>

I normally don't post to user groups that I don't belong to, but after
reviewing some info about ChiPy, it seemed like a friendly forum - so I
thought I would make an exception.  

 

I am a recruiter, and my #1 client (trading firm in the Loop) has a need
for someone with Python development skills.  My traditional search
methods and postings have come up empty, so I am digging in new places.


 

This is a FT permanent opportunity in a growing, stable, fast-paced,
cutting-edge, casual environment.  Incredible compensation package,
benefits, and perks galore!  I have pasted the description below.
Although this is a night shift position, it is an opportunity of a
lifetime!  I have worked with this client for 4 years, and EVERY person
I have placed there is still there, is making more money than they ever
have before, and they are happy!  

 

If there is interest in finding out more, please contact me via email or
phone.  At the time of this email (4/29/07), there are absolutely no
candidates being considered yet.  

 

Regards,

 

Rich McNelis

Sr. Staff Analyst

Innovative Alternatives

847-995-8100 x 26

www.novaalt.com <http://www.novaalt.com/> 

  <http://www.novaalt.com/>  

 

 

 

Electronic trading firm is seeking an exceptional Operations Engineer to
focus on clearing support. 

The individual will be responsible for the interpretation and resolution
of clearing inquires, problems related to discrepancies between various
systems and areas and support of application breakdowns.

Strong communication, analytical and creative skills are a must.
Scripting or development skills required. Prior experience with trading
firms and/or clearing applications is preferred but not required.

 

Key Responsibilities: 

*	Support overnight clearing processes. 
*	Ensure information flow between internal and external partners. 

Job Requirements: 

*	Willing to work a night shift: 10:00pm to 6:00am Monday through
Friday.
*	Proficient in working with SQL Server. 
*	Competency in Python. 
*	Excellent interpersonal skills required. 
*	Strong personal communication skills, including the ability to
explain technical concepts in layman's terms. 
*	Must be eligible to work in the United States. 

Additional Skills / Attributes: 

*	Analytical Mindset. 
*	More then 1 year of working experience as an application
developer. 
*	Able to manage numerous priorities with ease. 
*	Proximity to Chicago Loop area and willing to be on call. 

 

 

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