[Chicago] Chance to try out AppEngine (and make my life easier)

[Milan Andric]

We love you web2py/massimo!  Don't change anything!  You have done
amazing work, it will benefit us all if you keep your work going and
making the great contributions to python.  I for one plan to use it
for a teaching tool, and the web interface is the crucial piece for
people learning.  People get stuck at the cmd line, so this gets
people programming in 5 mins flat.

Also, to the Flourish conference people, how come nobody can put the
winner of the contest on the site?

In fact, that is another thing we should experiment with.  Setting up
a web2py within AppEngine, no?  I for one was quite blown away by
massimo's creation.

--
Milan

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> Hi Cosmin,
>
>  Hope I did not do or say anything to get you upset. You are the last
>  person I want to upset. If I did I apologize.
>  You are an excellent programmer and I am sure you can parse those
>  page in one hour. I never said or implied otherwise.
>  Let's take this offline.
>
>  What you say below seems to imply you need the web based
>  administrative interface to develop with web2py. No. That's an
>  additional layer on top. You can use it like Django with a shell and
>  email. Here is a video on how to use the shell and emacs.
>
>     http://www.vimeo.com/879939
>
>  I know the quality of my videos is bad I am not good at that and I do
>  not have time to do better.
>
>  Moreover this is the Rails tagline: "Rails is a full-stack framework
>  for developing database-backed web applications according to the
>  Model-View-Control pattern."
>  I tried to mimic that without copying. The line you suggested does
>  would not make justice to all the stuff in web2py.
>
>  Massimo
>
>
>
>  On Apr 9, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote:
>
>  >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Massimo Di Pierro
>  >> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
>  >> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> Let me think about this for one week.
>  >>>
>  >>> After being the only one who the spent the night working on the
>  >>> flourish rumble I feel particularly dumb and kind of tired of doing
>  >>> pro bono work.
>  >>>
>  >>> One prerequisite for giving it to you is that you commit to using
>  >>> web2py for your project (which by the way has no problem talking to
>  >>> appengine).
>  >>
>  >
>  > I wasn't asking you to do any work pro bono, I was asking if you're
>  > willing to share the results of work you've already done without
>  > anyone asking. Parsing the data from HTML is about half hour worth of
>  > work, so if you think I'm going to wait a week for you to make up your
>  > mind and then be forced into using any particular framework you're
>  > very mistaken.
>  >
>  > I don't think you should actively try to ram your framework down the
>  > throat of people that don't want to use it. As far as I'm concerned
>  > you're going to have a tough time selling me on any framework where
>  > development is done over the web, unless you also provide a web based
>  > version of Emacs. Also, take a look at
>  >
>  > web2py Enterprise Web Framework: Free and open source full-stack
>  > enterprise framework for agile development of secure database-driven
>  > web-based applications, written and programmable in Python.
>  >
>  > Pylons is a lightweight web framework emphasizing flexibility and
>  > rapid development.
>  >
>  > Django: The web framework for perfectionists with deadlines
>  >
>  > Based on that description alone, which framework do you think most
>  > people would like to try? If I take out the filler words  (the "free
>  > and open source", the "enterprise part", the "agile development" part
>  > and the "database-driven" part) I'm left with:
>  >
>  > full-stack framework for web applications written and programmable in
>  > Python. (The last framework I remember mentioning full-stack in the
>  > description is http://www.springframework.org/). Drop the pretentious
>  > description and try something like "web2py: the easy to use web
>  > framework". Oh, and the fact that your screen cast is not recording
>  > the full screen and is following the cursor around makes it incredibly
>  > distracting, you should consider redoing it.
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > Cosmin Stejerean
>  > http://blog.offbytwo.com
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Milan