[Chicago] Fwd: [Flourish] Framework Rumble

[Massimo Di Pierro]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> Date: June 18, 2008 12:52:53 AM CDT
> To: Dave Chakrabarti <dc at chicagotech.org>, The Flourish 2008 Team  
> <info at flourishconf.com>, Roberto Serrano <rserra3 at uic.edu>,  
> web2py at googlegroups.com, chicago at python.org (The Chicago Python  
> Users Group <chicago at python.org>)
> Cc: Massimo DiPierro <MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu>,  
> "ianb at colorstudy.com Bicking" <ianb at colorstudy.com>, Christopher  
> Allan Webber <cwebber at imagescape.com>, stcorbett at gmail.com,  
> ts at thomasswift.com, "david at 37signals.com Hansson"  
> <david at 37signals.com>, larry.masters at cakefoundation.org,  
> walker at signalfade.com, amw at abrah.am, bray at sent.com,  
> "joshua.mcadams at gmail.com McAdams" <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com>,  
> szybalski at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Flourish] Framework Rumble
>
> Your web site quotes:
>
> """
> WAFD Rumble
>
> Flourish Conference 2008 planned to host a Web Application  
> Framework Development (WAFD) Rumble competition where  
> representatives from different open source web framework projects  
> would have the opportunity to compete to see who can develop the  
> best website in the shortest amount of time.  Due to scheduling  
> constraints, the WAFD Rumble was rolled into the Code for a Cause  
> Hack-a-thon.  Please refer to the Code for a Cause Hack-a-thon page  
> for more information on that event.
> """
>
> This is FALSE!
>
> The email below is what I was told the day of the Rumble and I came  
> to pick up the rules (and other people did so) and I have  
> participated. I spend 24 hours working on the project I was  
> assigned, despite the fact that the rules had been changed at the  
> last moment, and neglecting my family. At least an acknowledgment  
> that there was a Rumble and I participated is in order. If nobody  
> else delivered a project  and so you do not want to declare a  
> winner, that is your choice and I can understand that. Nevertheless  
> you should say that clearly.
>
> This is inappropriate and offensive because makes me look like a  
> liar before people who do not know better. Many people saw me there  
> working on the rumble. I am cc-ing everybody who has received the  
> notification of the start of the Rumble on April 4.  I attached our  
> correspondence before and after the Rumble.
>
> This is a video of the project I delivered: http://www.vimeo.com/ 
> 876779
>
> Massimo
>
> Massimo Di Pierro
> Associate Professor
> School of Computing
> DePaul University
> Chicago
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Dave Chakrabarti <dc at chicagotech.org>
>> Date: April 8, 2008 4:57:24 PM CDT
>> To: Roberto Serrano <ohrock at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "DiPierro, Massimo" <MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu>,  
>> "eads at chicagotech.org" <eads at chicagotech.org>
>> Subject: Re: ramble rules
>>
>> Hi Roberto,
>>
>> I'll discuss this with David Eads, and we'll get back to you on  
>> recognizing Massimo and web2py, as well as describing the  
>> presentation Massimo gave us afterwards.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>   Dave.
>>
>> --
>> Dave Chakrabarti
>> Project Manager
>> Chicago Technology Cooperative
>> 312-480-8051
>> www.chicagotech.org
>> dc at chicagotech.org
>>
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Roberto Serrano wrote:
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Hey Dave, what do you want to do?   We are going to send thanks  
>>> tomorrow, and also working a bit in the site.
>>>
>>> You guys feel free to put a conclusion up in the site, and/or  
>>> sending me a a text to put up there.
>>>
>>> Roberto
>
>
>
> On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Dave Chakrabarti wrote:
>
>> Hi Massimo,
>>
>> The project we're going to assign is complex enough to warrant  
>> more than a few hours. We're definitely *not* asking folks to  
>> stick around for the entire 24 hour period; you're free to walk  
>> around, enjoy Flourish, and apply as many hours as you like  
>> towards the framework Rumble. I'll be *very* surprised if someone  
>> spends the entire 24 hours working only on this project :)
>>
>> In terms of supervision, we're not going to be watching what you  
>> do to make sure you don't have a 20 developer team in Bangalore  
>> writing your code for you :) This is competitive, but it's also a  
>> learning opportunity, a show-and-tell opportunity, an opportunity  
>> to develop a useful tool for nonprofit / community organizations,  
>> and an opportunity to build something that may be meaningful  
>> within your own framework. As I've said before, we're not just  
>> aiming to crown a winning "This framework rulz" winner here; we're  
>> more interested in being able to compare frameworks meaningfully  
>> and see what you've got to show us.
>>
>> We'll begin around noon, but the extended timeframe was designed  
>> specifically so folks arriving later can jump in. Give me a call  
>> and I'll point you in the right direction.
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback!
>>
>>   Dave.
>>
>> --
>> Dave Chakrabarti
>> Project Manager
>> Chicago Technology Cooperative
>> 312-480-8051
>> www.chicagotech.org
>> dc at chicagotech.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
>>
>>> I am a bit surprised by this last minute change of plans.
>>>
>>> I had been told this would start tomorrow and had the impression  
>>> it would only run tomorrow afternoon for a few hours. Do people  
>>> representing other frameworks really need/want 24 hours to show  
>>> off what they can do? Some of us have family and cannot dedicate  
>>> 24 hours to it. Are people supposed to stay there 24 hours? If  
>>> not, are you allowing people to work from home without  
>>> supervision?  It is like running a marathon but not checking  
>>> participants hop on cars.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I am still running but as anticipated I will not be there  
>>> until 3pm today.
>>>
>>> When will the rules be disclosed exactly?
>>>
>>> Massimo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2008, at 8:27 AM, Dave Chakrabarti wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for the lateness of this email (I'm sure some of you  
>>>> are already enroute to Flourish), but I thought I'd clarify some  
>>>> of the Framework Rumble issues that folks have mentioned through  
>>>> last night.
>>>>
>>>> The Rumble is intended as a competition, but also as a  
>>>> demonstration and learning experience for participants,  
>>>> spectators, and after-the-fact reviewers. We're not just aiming  
>>>> for a "this framework is best" decision; we'd like to get a  
>>>> clearer idea of what the strengths and weaknesses of each  
>>>> framework are. We also thought it would be cool to have  
>>>> representatives from several frameworks competing on the same  
>>>> project, at the same time; I'm not sure this has been done before.
>>>>
>>>> This will be a 24 hour competition; the assignment (a closely  
>>>> guarded secret) will be described to competitors later today by  
>>>> David Eads, one of the staff developers at the Chicago  
>>>> Technology Cooperative who has experience with a few different  
>>>> frameworks.
>>>>
>>>> You're free to use your own laptops, desktops, etc.
>>>>
>>>> The number in the my signature line will forward to a cell phone  
>>>> that I'll carry with me during the conference, so please give me  
>>>> a call if you're in need of guidance.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your interest! I hope to see you all there.
>>>>
>>>>   Dave.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dave Chakrabarti
>>>> Project Manager
>>>> Chicago Technology Cooperative
>>>> 312-480-8051
>>>> www.chicagotech.org
>>>> dc at chicagotech.org
>>>>

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