From carl at personnelware.com Tue Sep 2 19:53:54 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:53:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] tonight - Allstars Sportsbar & Grill Message-ID: <48BD7DB2.7090102@personnelware.com> I should be there around 5, cosmo will be there by 6. at 6:15 I am ordering food. 555 W. Madison Chicago, Illinois 60661 Phone : 312-277-0500 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=555+W.+Madison+Chicago,+Illinois+60661&mrt=yp&jsv=126d&sll=41.883413,-87.641459&sspn=0.007988,0.016737&ie=UTF8&latlng=41881842,-87641452,9465061595939602399&ei=m3a9SOecPKSkiwH0xtjtAQ&cd=4 Carl K From bray at sent.com Thu Sep 4 03:16:49 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:16:49 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? Message-ID: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> Harper, Thanks for helping with my t-shirt needs! Off the list, you mentioned you might be able to host again at SkinnyCorp. Hope I am not putting you on the spot, would you be willing to host next Thursday the 11th? We are not looking for possible venues. Regards, Brian Ray From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 03:16:01 2008 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy "Introduce Yourself" Image Message-ID: <68796.6451.qm@web34802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Remember this, guys? Sorry it took so long for me to post it... - Feihong -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ChiPy Introduce Yourself.png Type: image/png Size: 34049 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cwebber at dustycloud.org Mon Sep 8 20:20:45 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> (Brian Ray's message of "Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:16:49 -0500") References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> Message-ID: <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> Any update on this? I don't think we can host this week. I also know I said I might present, but I'm thinking I'd rather wait till next month on the openmoko phone, since I should actually have some stuff built for it by that time. Brian Ray writes: > Harper, > > Thanks for helping with my t-shirt needs! Off the list, you mentioned > you might be able to host again at SkinnyCorp. > > Hope I am not putting you on the spot, would you be willing to host > next Thursday the 11th? We are not looking for possible venues. > > Regards, > > Brian Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From bray at sent.com Mon Sep 8 20:58:26 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:58:26 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > Any update on this? > > I don't think we can host this week. I also know I said I might > present, but I'm thinking I'd rather wait till next month on the > openmoko phone, since I should actually have some stuff built for it > by > that time. Maybe next time at SkinnyCorp. They just finished up a sale and are not in a good position to host this time around. So Imaginary Landscape it is then? Brian Ray From carl at personnelware.com Mon Sep 8 21:34:33 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:34:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <48C57E49.8070807@personnelware.com> Brian Ray wrote: > > > > On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > >> Any update on this? >> >> I don't think we can host this week. I also know I said I might >> present, but I'm thinking I'd rather wait till next month on the >> openmoko phone, since I should actually have some stuff built for it by >> that time. > > > Maybe next time at SkinnyCorp. They just finished up a sale and are not > in a good position to host this time around. > > So Imaginary Landscape it is then? "I don't think we can host this week" = Imaginary Landscape it is not. Carl K From g at rrett.us.com Mon Sep 8 22:20:51 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:20:51 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? Message-ID: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> Anyone know what it costs/is involved to use a room at Goose Island? -----Original Message----- From: Carl Karsten Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:34 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? Brian Ray wrote: > > > > On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > >> Any update on this? >> >> I don't think we can host this week. I also know I said I might >> present, but I'm thinking I'd rather wait till next month on the >> openmoko phone, since I should actually have some stuff built for it by >> that time. > > > Maybe next time at SkinnyCorp. They just finished up a sale and are not > in a good position to host this time around. > > So Imaginary Landscape it is then? "I don't think we can host this week" = Imaginary Landscape it is not. Carl K _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From special.kevin at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 22:31:01 2008 From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:31:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> Message-ID: <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> The last time I checked you could get the basement of goose island for $300. Food and drinks were deducted from that so if you spent $300 on food and drinks it was free. However, they don't have a projector down there. I am not sure about the big meeting room. On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > Anyone know what it costs/is involved to use a room at Goose Island? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Karsten > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:34 PM > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? > > Brian Ray wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: >> >>> Any update on this? >>> >>> I don't think we can host this week. I also know I said I might >>> present, but I'm thinking I'd rather wait till next month on the >>> openmoko phone, since I should actually have some stuff built for it by >>> that time. >> >> >> Maybe next time at SkinnyCorp. They just finished up a sale and are not >> in a good position to host this time around. >> >> So Imaginary Landscape it is then? > > "I don't think we can host this week" = Imaginary Landscape it is not. > > Carl K > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- - specialKevin - Kevin Harriss - http://www.specialkevin.com From cwebber at dustycloud.org Mon Sep 8 22:33:54 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:33:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> (Kevin Harriss's message of "Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:31:01 -0500") References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> Alright. I was wrong. We can host it here at Imaginary Landscape again, so consider it here :) We'll probably try to use the other half of the office this time to make for more room. Not sure how that'll work out, but worth a try, right? "Kevin Harriss" writes: > The last time I checked you could get the basement of goose island for > $300. Food and drinks were deducted from that so if you spent $300 on > food and drinks it was free. However, they don't have a projector > down there. I am not sure about the big meeting room. > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: >> Anyone know what it costs/is involved to use a room at Goose Island? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl Karsten >> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:34 PM >> To: The Chicago Python Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? >> >> Brian Ray wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: >>> >>>> Any update on this? >>>> >>>> I don't think we can host this week. I also know I said I might >>>> present, but I'm thinking I'd rather wait till next month on the >>>> openmoko phone, since I should actually have some stuff built for it by >>>> that time. >>> >>> >>> Maybe next time at SkinnyCorp. They just finished up a sale and are not >>> in a good position to host this time around. >>> >>> So Imaginary Landscape it is then? >> >> "I don't think we can host this week" = Imaginary Landscape it is not. >> >> Carl K >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > > -- > - specialKevin > - Kevin Harriss > - http://www.specialkevin.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From cwebber at dustycloud.org Mon Sep 8 22:53:08 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:53:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> (Christopher Allan Webber's message of "Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:33:54 -0500") References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <877i9m8imj.fsf@dustycloud.org> And we have talks! - I'm gonna give a brief talk about the OpenMoko phone anyway. It's gonna be really basic.. just how to make a phone call from python in < 10 lines, and an overview of the infrastructure and various distributions. I'll give a more advanced talk later. - Peter Fein is talking about the factory class from Factory.py: http://code.google.com/p/grassyknoll/source/browse/branches/unhork/grassyknoll/lib/Factory.py Anyone else? Christopher Allan Webber writes: > Alright. I was wrong. We can host it here at Imaginary Landscape > again, so consider it here :) > > We'll probably try to use the other half of the office this time to make > for more room. Not sure how that'll work out, but worth a try, right? > > "Kevin Harriss" writes: > >> The last time I checked you could get the basement of goose island for >> $300. Food and drinks were deducted from that so if you spent $300 on >> food and drinks it was free. However, they don't have a projector >> down there. I am not sure about the big meeting room. >> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: >>> Anyone know what it costs/is involved to use a room at Goose Island? >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Carl Karsten >>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:34 PM >>> To: The Chicago Python Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? >>> >>> Brian Ray wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: >>>> >>>>> Any update on this? >>>>> >>>>> I don't think we can host this week. I also know I said I might >>>>> present, but I'm thinking I'd rather wait till next month on the >>>>> openmoko phone, since I should actually have some stuff built for it by >>>>> that time. >>>> >>>> >>>> Maybe next time at SkinnyCorp. They just finished up a sale and are not >>>> in a good position to host this time around. >>>> >>>> So Imaginary Landscape it is then? >>> >>> "I don't think we can host this week" = Imaginary Landscape it is not. >>> >>> Carl K >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> - specialKevin >> - Kevin Harriss >> - http://www.specialkevin.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From ianb at colorstudy.com Mon Sep 8 23:52:32 2008 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:52:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <877i9m8imj.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> <877i9m8imj.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <48C59EA0.3080703@colorstudy.com> Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > And we have talks! > > - I'm gonna give a brief talk about the OpenMoko phone anyway. It's > gonna be really basic.. just how to make a phone call from python in > < 10 lines, and an overview of the infrastructure and various > distributions. I'll give a more advanced talk later. > - Peter Fein is talking about the factory class from Factory.py: > http://code.google.com/p/grassyknoll/source/browse/branches/unhork/grassyknoll/lib/Factory.py > > Anyone else? I could do a writing-a-web-app-without-a-framework talk. -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 00:02:08 2008 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:02:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <48C59EA0.3080703@colorstudy.com> References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> <877i9m8imj.fsf@dustycloud.org> <48C59EA0.3080703@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0809081502j5062d074rac8fda9f382bd521@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > > writing-a-web-app-without-a-framework . > Impossible! Foolhardy! Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Even more amazing would be, writing-a-framework-not-for-a-web-app. Brian Ray From ianb at colorstudy.com Tue Sep 9 00:37:23 2008 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:37:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <67912C5D-B005-487E-91A0-E591737234AE@sent.com> References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> <877i9m8imj.fsf@dustycloud.org> <48C59EA0.3080703@colorstudy.com> <3096c19d0809081502j5062d074rac8fda9f382bd521@mail.gmail.com> <67912C5D-B005-487E-91A0-E591737234AE@sent.com> Message-ID: <48C5A923.6010604@colorstudy.com> Brian Ray wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Chris McAvoy wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: >> >> writing-a-web-app-without-a-framework . >> >> Impossible! Foolhardy! > > > Even more amazing would be, writing-a-framework-not-for-a-web-app. Like Wax? http://zephyrfalcon.org/weblog/arch_Wax.html -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org From maney at two14.net Tue Sep 9 02:04:54 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:04:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <48C59EA0.3080703@colorstudy.com> References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> <877i9m8imj.fsf@dustycloud.org> <48C59EA0.3080703@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <20080909000454.GB31804@furrr.two14.net> On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 04:52:32PM -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: > I could do a writing-a-web-app-without-a-framework talk. Hasn't everyone done that at one time or another? Hence the embarassing number of short-lived Python frameworks... :-/ -- If there were a verb meaning "to believe falsely", it would not have any significant first person, present indicative. -- Wittgenstein From jordan at widefido.com Tue Sep 9 00:20:29 2008 From: jordan at widefido.com (Jordan Sherer) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:20:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] New To the Chicago User Group / Meeting Location In-Reply-To: <67912C5D-B005-487E-91A0-E591737234AE@sent.com> References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> <877i9m8imj.fsf@dustycloud.org> <48C59EA0.3080703@colorstudy.com> <3096c19d0809081502j5062d074rac8fda9f382bd521@mail.gmail.com> <67912C5D-B005-487E-91A0-E591737234AE@sent.com> Message-ID: Hi All, I just joined the mailing list and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Jordan Sherer and I am a web developer by day, software entrepreneur by night. I have been using Python in professional and personal projects for some time, and was excited to see a Chicago area group. I also look forward to meeting with you all sometime at a meetup. All the best, Jordan P.S., Does anybody have any information on the next meeting location / time? From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Tue Sep 9 02:23:24 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:23:24 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] New To the Chicago User Group / Meeting Location In-Reply-To: References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> <877i9m8imj.fsf@dustycloud.org> <48C59EA0.3080703@colorstudy.com> <3096c19d0809081502j5062d074rac8fda9f382bd521@mail.gmail.com> <67912C5D-B005-487E-91A0-E591737234AE@sent.com> Message-ID: welcome On Sep 8, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Jordan Sherer wrote: > Hi All, > > I just joined the mailing list and wanted to introduce myself. My name > is Jordan Sherer and I am a web developer by day, software > entrepreneur by night. I have been using Python in professional and > personal projects for some time, and was excited to see a Chicago area > group. I also look forward to meeting with you all sometime at a > meetup. > > All the best, > Jordan > > P.S., Does anybody have any information on the next meeting location / > time? > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From carl at personnelware.com Tue Sep 9 02:51:24 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:51:24 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] New To the Chicago User Group / Meeting Location In-Reply-To: References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> <877i9m8imj.fsf@dustycloud.org> <48C59EA0.3080703@colorstudy.com> <3096c19d0809081502j5062d074rac8fda9f382bd521@mail.gmail.com> <67912C5D-B005-487E-91A0-E591737234AE@sent.com> Message-ID: <48C5C88C.9050602@personnelware.com> > > P.S., Does anybody have any information on the next meeting location / > time? JIT list post - Ravenswood, this Thursday, 7pm (some of us will meet for beer and *HAMBURGER* before the meeting.) check http://chipy.org/#next-meeting for details. Carl K From ianb at colorstudy.com Tue Sep 9 03:27:04 2008 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:27:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <20080909000454.GB31804@furrr.two14.net> References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> <877i9m8imj.fsf@dustycloud.org> <48C59EA0.3080703@colorstudy.com> <20080909000454.GB31804@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <48C5D0E8.9010808@colorstudy.com> Martin Maney wrote: > On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 04:52:32PM -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: >> I could do a writing-a-web-app-without-a-framework talk. > > Hasn't everyone done that at one time or another? Hence the > embarassing number of short-lived Python frameworks... :-/ I want to increase the embarrassment. -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org From maney at two14.net Tue Sep 9 04:07:39 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:07:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <48C5D0E8.9010808@colorstudy.com> References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> <877i9m8imj.fsf@dustycloud.org> <48C59EA0.3080703@colorstudy.com> <20080909000454.GB31804@furrr.two14.net> <48C5D0E8.9010808@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <20080909020739.GA32017@furrr.two14.net> On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 08:27:04PM -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: > Martin Maney wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 04:52:32PM -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: >>> I could do a writing-a-web-app-without-a-framework talk. >> >> Hasn't everyone done that at one time or another? Hence the >> embarassing number of short-lived Python frameworks... :-/ > > I want to increase the embarrassment. +1, laughing all the way -- People are too impatient. They want a three-line definition of consciousness and a five-line proof that a computational system can or cannot have consciousness. And they want it today. They don't want to have to do the hard work ... -- Aaron Sloman From cwebber at dustycloud.org Tue Sep 9 15:16:41 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:16:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: (Brian Ray's message of "Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:58:26 -0500") References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> Brian Ray writes: > On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > >> Any update on this? >> >> I don't think we can host this week. I also know I said I might >> present, but I'm thinking I'd rather wait till next month on the >> openmoko phone, since I should actually have some stuff built for it >> by >> that time. > > > Maybe next time at SkinnyCorp. They just finished up a sale and are > not in a good position to host this time around. > > So Imaginary Landscape it is then? > Yep! > Brian Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From shekay at pobox.com Tue Sep 9 16:55:53 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:55:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] New To the Chicago User Group / Meeting Location In-Reply-To: <48C5C88C.9050602@personnelware.com> References: <20080908202035.29D6E1AD431@smtp-2.01.com> <97b3d1fd0809081331r69b23742y5a98cb871f7a126d@mail.gmail.com> <87prne8jil.fsf@dustycloud.org> <877i9m8imj.fsf@dustycloud.org> <48C59EA0.3080703@colorstudy.com> <3096c19d0809081502j5062d074rac8fda9f382bd521@mail.gmail.com> <67912C5D-B005-487E-91A0-E591737234AE@sent.com> <48C5C88C.9050602@personnelware.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >> P.S., Does anybody have any information on the next meeting location / >> time? > > JIT list post - Ravenswood, this Thursday, 7pm (some of us will meet for > beer and *HAMBURGER* before the meeting.) check > http://chipy.org/#next-meeting for details. I will try to make it this time! -- sheila From verisimilidude at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 19:42:35 2008 From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:42:35 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] writing pdf files from python In-Reply-To: <804e5c70808191803o6104ec48gc62cdb6fd253c26d@mail.gmail.com> References: <804e5c70808191803o6104ec48gc62cdb6fd253c26d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ad48f980809091042l7fd3df47te3ed7ea76950aea5@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, I was the guy trying to read a PDF last month (not write one). The problem is hard if the PDF was not generated by a reasonable process. Basically the format allows you to just say 'put a character here at this x-y location, another one there, etc.' with no metadata as to what constitutes a line, paragraph, text block or whatever. If one wanted to they could put all the a's on the page, then all the b's and so on through all the glyphs. Fortunately real applications don't do that. The evolution of the standard to allow things like fill-in forms and internal (page-based) navigation was what was throwing me since in the document I was trying to interpret were multiple index blocks which the software (pdftools from www.boddie.org.uk/david/Projects/Python/pdftools/) did not handle. By the way that is a nicely written pure python set of routines to dissect a PDF and probably would help for most PDFs - the couple of PDF books I have from O'Reilly were read without problem. Writing a PDF is comparatively easy - the multiple examples on this page will do. Phil On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > Hello, > On the last meeting one of you mentioned that you wanted to write pdf > from python. > ... From bray at sent.com Tue Sep 9 20:16:37 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:16:37 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Job Opening: Digital Solutions Engineer References: Message-ID: Hi All: I am looking for your help in finding a good candidate for this position. If you or someone you know might be a good fit, please send a resume with a cover letter and pay requirements to northwest.new.media at gmail.com . As some of you know, we are a new division (about 1 year old) in a much bigger and older (55 years) company. We are on the West Side near Central Ave and Grand Ave. A good candidate must have an open mind, do whatever it takes to get the job done, and be willing to work extremely hard. Do not miss the opportunity to get in early in our successful startup. Did I mention we use mostly Python? We currently have only an Entry Level position opening; although; if you feel your fill all the requirements below and may be a better fit for a Senior Position, please send your resume indicating you would like a Senior position. Thanks, Brian PS you will get to work directly with me on a daily basis :) Which may or may not be a benefit ;) ============================================================= Job Title: Digital Solutions Engineer Pay (Entry Level): 20-30 /hr with time-and-a-half when working more than 8 hours consecutive or on weekends. Hours: At least 40 hours a week. Job Description: Digital Solutions Engineer is a developmental (25% - 50%) and support role (50%-75%). On the development side, this job will require programming systems for: e-commerce, web2print, internal workflow, database systems, and process automation. They will be responsible for implementing features for these systems and may play a role in the design of these features. In the support role, this person will be responsible for: programming variable data printing templates for color, producing customer proofs (signoff) files and output from production, managing storefronts for web2print, and managing workflow. The job will occasionally 2-3 times a year, requires travel out of state. The job will require attending both technical and non- technical meetings with others inside and outside of the company. Jobs Goal: The goal of the person in the job is to support all ventures of the New Media. The person in this role will develop some familiarity with with all parts of the systems that support New Media. They will have the ability to go in and fix and problems with the system in case of an emergency. They will support any task needed to help the forward movement of the company. Moving forward, they will develop their knowledge, skill, and teach others. They will become an expert Digital Solutions Engineer. Skills and Education: BS in Computer Science Preferably 3-5 years work experience in the industry Fluency in one or many computer programming languages like: C++, SQL, and Python Some experience working with Database systems. Some experience with the PDF format Experience working with version control system like CVS or SVN Experience working with debugging tools Experience with Desktop Publishing tools like: InDesign, Quark, and Photoshop Some working knowledge Apple Macintosh (primarily), Unix, and Microsoft Windows Good verbal and written communication skills Ability to stay organized Ability to write bug-free programs and meet deadlines Ability to multi-task Ability to work under stress and timelines without a negative reaction Ability to work with others Ability to produce good solid error-free product in a timely fashion Ability to help write technical documentation for system design Ability to translate technical information into easy to an understand to understand format Some knowledge (or the ability to learn) Desktop Publishing tools and Prepress. Work expectation: Overtime may be required after 5pm or on weekends. It is also expected that the person spends some time off the clock keeping educated and learning new things pertaining to the skills and knowledge used in the industry or on the job. Vacations will need to be coordinated with others in order to ensure full coverage of the department. Interested? Send your resume to northwest.new.media at gmail.com ============================================================= From korpios at korpios.com Tue Sep 9 22:30:44 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:30:44 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: >> Maybe next time at SkinnyCorp. They just finished up a sale and are >> not in a good position to host this time around. >> >> So Imaginary Landscape it is then? >> > > Yep! Throwing this out there for the future: the Chicago Djangonauts have been using the Mercury Cafe [1] (1505 W Chicago Ave) for most of our meetings, and they've been great hosts; they have a *huge* space (for a cafe), and we pretty much just take over the back area (as there are lots of tables and chairs, as well as makeshift projector screen). If ChiPy ever needs a last-minute venue, you could do a lot worse than to hold it there. [1] http://www.chimercurycafe.com/ From bray at sent.com Tue Sep 9 22:44:52 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:44:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Tom Tobin wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Christopher Allan Webber > wrote: >>> Maybe next time at SkinnyCorp. They just finished up a sale and are >>> not in a good position to host this time around. >>> >>> So Imaginary Landscape it is then? >>> >> >> Yep! > > Throwing this out there for the future: the Chicago Djangonauts have > been using the Mercury Cafe [1] (1505 W Chicago Ave) for most of our > meetings, and they've been great hosts; they have a *huge* space (for > a cafe), and we pretty much just take over the back area (as there are > lots of tables and chairs, as well as makeshift projector screen). If > ChiPy ever needs a last-minute venue, you could do a lot worse than to > hold it there. I went to the last meeting. They are even more casual than ChiPy meetings. Mercury Cafe is ok. I was driving so it worked for me. I am not sure if the L is near enough for many. Brian Ray From cstejerean at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 23:06:10 2008 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:06:10 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> Message-ID: <8A65A678-4DAF-4A4C-A1D7-9FDFA67CDD6E@gmail.com> On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Tom Tobin wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Christopher Allan Webber >> wrote: >>>> Maybe next time at SkinnyCorp. They just finished up a sale and are >>>> not in a good position to host this time around. >>>> >>>> So Imaginary Landscape it is then? >>>> >>> >>> Yep! >> >> Throwing this out there for the future: the Chicago Djangonauts have >> been using the Mercury Cafe [1] (1505 W Chicago Ave) for most of our >> meetings, and they've been great hosts; they have a *huge* space (for >> a cafe), and we pretty much just take over the back area (as there >> are >> lots of tables and chairs, as well as makeshift projector screen). >> If >> ChiPy ever needs a last-minute venue, you could do a lot worse than >> to >> hold it there. > > > > I went to the last meeting. They are even more casual than ChiPy > meetings. > > Mercury Cafe is ok. I was driving so it worked for me. I am not sure > if the L is near enough for many. > > Brian Ray Never been there but as far as distance from the Blue LIne it seems pretty decent. It's about as close as the Ravenswood Metra is to Imaginary Landscape (half a mile, which is about half the distance from the Argyle train station). - Cosmin From korpios at korpios.com Wed Sep 10 01:04:57 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:04:57 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Tom Tobin wrote: >> Throwing this out there for the future: the Chicago Djangonauts have >> been using the Mercury Cafe [1] (1505 W Chicago Ave) for most of our >> meetings, and they've been great hosts; they have a *huge* space (for >> a cafe), and we pretty much just take over the back area (as there are >> lots of tables and chairs, as well as makeshift projector screen). If >> ChiPy ever needs a last-minute venue, you could do a lot worse than to >> hold it there. > > I went to the last meeting. They are even more casual than ChiPy meetings. That's my fault ? I "run" the thing. ^_^ > Mercury Cafe is ok. I was driving so it worked for me. I am not sure if the > L is near enough for many. You can take bus 66 over to (and from) the Blue Line Chicago stop; that's how I get home post-meeting. From mtemkin at speakeasy.net Tue Sep 9 14:45:06 2008 From: mtemkin at speakeasy.net (Marc Temkin) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:45:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Notice of Chicago ACM Meeting this Wed. 9/10 on Functional Languages Message-ID: <6288EDA83AF7492F938D6CE4C803B7C7@DREAMCATCHER232> Notice of Chicago ACM Meeting this Wed. 9/10 (Evening) on Functional Languages Aaron Erikson of Magenic will be speaking on F# and its relationship to other functional concepts found in ML, OCaml and Erlang. See www.acm.org/chapters/chicago for complete information. Thanks, Marc Temkin Vice Chair ACM Chicago 773-274-6544 mtemkin at speakeasy.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I just spoke to the big boss here at work (Cleversafe - http://www.cleversafe.com) and he wanted me to contact some people I know in search of a couple of Python developers. Right now the 2 positions would be contract based but there is always the potential for that to change. I started out here doing contract/consultant work, but they offered good stuff so I couldn't turn it down :) Anyways, a brief background that I really like about Cleversafe: * Start-up (yes, been around for a few years, but we are still a start-up) * Open Source (yes, we do have A LOT of open source work, but there is some proprietary stuff here as well, but I think the Python devs will be working on open source stuff a majority of the time) * Awesome atmosphere (if you bring in the Wii, then we will have one :) * We create a distributed storage appliance The 2 positions that were sent to me were: Position 1) Python Developer with extensive web and Zope experience. Ideally someone who has worked on and customized Zenoss. Position 2) Python Developer familiar with Zope and working with REST API's. To develop and test CLI's and for our open source and commercial project. Also to help write automated tests for a world wide dispersed storage network. If you feel you could do this work, then please send your resume to me, rjohnson at cleversafe.com. Provide me a little bit about your if I don't know you personally. The job is located in West Loop (Fulton & Desplaines), 6 blocks (10 minute walk) from Union, 3 blocks (5 minute walk) from Olgave, a block from the Green line. Thanks everyone, and I apologize for sending this out if your list does not approve of this type of email. -- Rich Johnson Development Cleversafe 224 N. 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Chris>  * Pete Fein - http://code.google.com/p/grassyknoll/source/browse/branches/unhork/grassyknoll/lib/Factory.py
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Chris>
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Chris> About ChiPy
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Chris>
Chris> ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Chris> Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
Chris> Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
Chris> efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.
Chris>
Chris> ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
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Chris> Python website: <http://python.org>
Chris>
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> Chris> _______________________________________________ > Chris> Chicago mailing list > Chris> Chicago at python.org > Chris> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From verisimilidude at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 21:25:30 2008 From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:25:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <8A65A678-4DAF-4A4C-A1D7-9FDFA67CDD6E@gmail.com> References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> <8A65A678-4DAF-4A4C-A1D7-9FDFA67CDD6E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ad48f980809101225n35c0526ft3acdc65a29991447@mail.gmail.com> The Foster bus makes its run to the west starting from the Berwyn stop on the Red Line. Transfer to the bus and take it over to Ravenswood Ave. (where Foster dives under the Metra tracks) and you only have two short blocks to walk. For the cost of the additional quarter for the transfer. Phil On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > > ... about as close as the Ravenswood Metra is to Imaginary > Landscape (half a mile, which is about half the distance from the Argyle > train station). > > - Cosmin From cstejerean at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 02:08:18 2008 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:08:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <6ad48f980809101225n35c0526ft3acdc65a29991447@mail.gmail.com> References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> <8A65A678-4DAF-4A4C-A1D7-9FDFA67CDD6E@gmail.com> <6ad48f980809101225n35c0526ft3acdc65a29991447@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <276266d0809101708ycd3ae44h79b8d65520b0422e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. Anyone know of a good way to get CTA directions from a mobile device? On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Phil Robare wrote: > The Foster bus makes its run to the west starting from the Berwyn stop > on the Red Line. Transfer to the bus and take it over to Ravenswood > Ave. (where Foster dives under the Metra tracks) and you only have two > short blocks to walk. For the cost of the additional quarter for the > transfer. > > Phil > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: >> >> ... about as close as the Ravenswood Metra is to Imaginary >> Landscape (half a mile, which is about half the distance from the Argyle >> train station). >> >> - Cosmin > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Cosmin Stejerean http://blog.offbytwo.com From brad at python.org Thu Sep 11 00:30:34 2008 From: brad at python.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:30:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: ChiPy-announce post from bray@sent.com requires approval In-Reply-To: <18632.2645.26979.51443@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> References: <3096c19d0809100808k1ddc8624qac1157577ba21b6f@mail.gmail.com> <18632.2645.26979.51443@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: <48C84A8A.5090201@python.org> skip at pobox.com wrote: > Chris> Guys, I don't have access to this site to approve these emails. > Chris> Who does? > > That's supposed to be you. ;-) Brad Knowles set up the chipy-announce > mailing list and indicated he sent the list particulars to you. CC'ing > postmaster so you can Brad can chat about where his mail got lost. My guess > is that Gmail's spam filter swallowed it. I'm a bit disappointed in how > many false positives I see in my Gmail account. In my opinion they should > be using SpamBayes. ;-) Chris -- you should definitely have gotten the list owner/admin password sent to you by e-mail. Unfortunately, we only keep a few days worth of postfix logs, so I have no way to see what the status was of this message, beyond what's in the Mailman logs showing that Mailman handed it off to postfix successfully. Even if we had postfix log data going back far enough, the only thing I would be able to see is whether or not we did the handoff to XS4ALL.NL or if they rejected the message. With the site admin password, I can always reset the list admin password to something specific, and then once you get confirmation that was done then you can go in and reset it to something else that only you guys would know. Tell me if you want me to reset the password for you, and if so then I'll be glad to do that. -- Brad Knowles Member of the Python.org Postmaster Team & Co-Moderator of the mailman-users and mailman-developers mailing lists From korpios at korpios.com Thu Sep 11 04:57:56 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:57:56 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <276266d0809101708ycd3ae44h79b8d65520b0422e@mail.gmail.com> References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> <8A65A678-4DAF-4A4C-A1D7-9FDFA67CDD6E@gmail.com> <6ad48f980809101225n35c0526ft3acdc65a29991447@mail.gmail.com> <276266d0809101708ycd3ae44h79b8d65520b0422e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > Thanks. Anyone know of a good way to get CTA directions from a mobile device? I use this: http://www.google.com/transit The directions are just text, but it works. (Certainly hoping a future iPhone update puts mass transit into the Google Maps app!) From jordan at widefido.com Thu Sep 11 05:02:41 2008 From: jordan at widefido.com (Jordan Sherer) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:02:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87vdx6a48y.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> <8A65A678-4DAF-4A4C-A1D7-9FDFA67CDD6E@gmail.com> <6ad48f980809101225n35c0526ft3acdc65a29991447@mail.gmail.com> <276266d0809101708ycd3ae44h79b8d65520b0422e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <28B418ED-4D3E-4DB4-B8E5-EB8890AA8176@widefido.com> This is pretty great for the iPhone: http://ctabustracker.com/bustime/home.jsp There is a text-only version for other mobile devices as well: http://ctabustracker.com/bustime/wireless/html/home.jsp I love knowing EXACTLY when the bus will come. Best, Jordan On Sep 10, 2008, at Sep 10 9:57 PM, Tom Tobin wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Cosmin Stejerean > wrote: >> Thanks. Anyone know of a good way to get CTA directions from a >> mobile device? > > I use this: > > http://www.google.com/transit > > The directions are just text, but it works. (Certainly hoping a > future iPhone update puts mass transit into the Google Maps app!) > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From korpios at korpios.com Thu Sep 11 06:30:53 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:30:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <28B418ED-4D3E-4DB4-B8E5-EB8890AA8176@widefido.com> References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> <8A65A678-4DAF-4A4C-A1D7-9FDFA67CDD6E@gmail.com> <6ad48f980809101225n35c0526ft3acdc65a29991447@mail.gmail.com> <276266d0809101708ycd3ae44h79b8d65520b0422e@mail.gmail.com> <28B418ED-4D3E-4DB4-B8E5-EB8890AA8176@widefido.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Jordan Sherer wrote: > This is pretty great for the iPhone: > http://ctabustracker.com/bustime/home.jsp > > There is a text-only version for other mobile devices as well: > http://ctabustracker.com/bustime/wireless/html/home.jsp > > I love knowing EXACTLY when the bus will come. Woah ... I never knew about that. Nice! Now they just need one for the trains, too, and a location-enabled iPhone app that tells you what buses will be arriving soon exactly where you are ... ::keeps dreaming:: ^_^ From jordan at widefido.com Thu Sep 11 07:37:54 2008 From: jordan at widefido.com (Jordan Sherer) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:37:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> <8A65A678-4DAF-4A4C-A1D7-9FDFA67CDD6E@gmail.com> <6ad48f980809101225n35c0526ft3acdc65a29991447@mail.gmail.com> <276266d0809101708ycd3ae44h79b8d65520b0422e@mail.gmail.com> <28B418ED-4D3E-4DB4-B8E5-EB8890AA8176@widefido.com> Message-ID: <79B0CB20-92B1-4529-985D-F5B884D1B09A@widefido.com> > Woah ... I never knew about that. Nice! Now they just need one for > the trains, too, and a location-enabled iPhone app that tells you what > buses will be arriving soon exactly where you are ... ::keeps > dreaming:: ^_^ I wonder how hard it would be to write an application like this. Something that used the data from ctabustracker.com, would be rather simple....I wonder if they expose or will ever expose an API. Something as simple as an RSS feed even could get you going in the right direction. Worse case, you could scrape the content straight from the text only version. But, I think I saw something against that in their terms of use :( Still, no avail for trains. From pfein at pobox.com Thu Sep 11 07:44:27 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:44:27 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <79B0CB20-92B1-4529-985D-F5B884D1B09A@widefido.com> References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <87y72131dy.fsf@dustycloud.org> <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> <8A65A678-4DAF-4A4C-A1D7-9FDFA67CDD6E@gmail.com> <6ad48f980809101225n35c0526ft3acdc65a29991447@mail.gmail.com> <276266d0809101708ycd3ae44h79b8d65520b0422e@mail.gmail.com> <28B418ED-4D3E-4DB4-B8E5-EB8890AA8176@widefido.com> <79B0CB20-92B1-4529-985D-F5B884D1B09A@widefido.com> Message-ID: <7E1569F2-691A-47C7-B76B-FEA61CE71B5E@pobox.com> On Sep 11, 2008, at 12:37 AM, Jordan Sherer wrote: >> Woah ... I never knew about that. Nice! Now they just need one for >> the trains, too, and a location-enabled iPhone app that tells you >> what >> buses will be arriving soon exactly where you are ... ::keeps >> dreaming:: ^_^ > > I wonder how hard it would be to write an application like this. > Something that used the data from ctabustracker.com, would be rather > simple....I wonder if they expose or will ever expose an API. > Something as simple as an RSS feed even could get you going in the > right direction. Harper Reed of Threadless gave a short talk on hacking ctabustracker.com at Barcamp. Harper, are you on this list? YTF not? ;-P --Pete From special.kevin at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 07:48:04 2008 From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:48:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <7E1569F2-691A-47C7-B76B-FEA61CE71B5E@pobox.com> References: <158F3B72-5763-4C95-B2A5-E4FED915AD1C@sent.com> <760F7041-CE70-4FBC-9356-9FCC405800A6@sent.com> <8A65A678-4DAF-4A4C-A1D7-9FDFA67CDD6E@gmail.com> <6ad48f980809101225n35c0526ft3acdc65a29991447@mail.gmail.com> <276266d0809101708ycd3ae44h79b8d65520b0422e@mail.gmail.com> <28B418ED-4D3E-4DB4-B8E5-EB8890AA8176@widefido.com> <79B0CB20-92B1-4529-985D-F5B884D1B09A@widefido.com> <7E1569F2-691A-47C7-B76B-FEA61CE71B5E@pobox.com> Message-ID: <97b3d1fd0809102248r3653c3fehc56cd38528f06a14@mail.gmail.com> With my magical google foo I found the site Harper was talking about during his talk at BARcamp. http://ctabusapi.jottit.com/ Kevin On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Pete wrote: > On Sep 11, 2008, at 12:37 AM, Jordan Sherer wrote: > >>> Woah ... I never knew about that. Nice! Now they just need one for >>> the trains, too, and a location-enabled iPhone app that tells you what >>> buses will be arriving soon exactly where you are ... ::keeps >>> dreaming:: ^_^ >> >> I wonder how hard it would be to write an application like this. Something >> that used the data from ctabustracker.com, would be rather simple....I >> wonder if they expose or will ever expose an API. Something as simple as an >> RSS feed even could get you going in the right direction. > > Harper Reed of Threadless gave a short talk on hacking ctabustracker.com at > Barcamp. > > Harper, are you on this list? YTF not? ;-P > > --Pete > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From warren.lindsey at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 08:13:40 2008 From: warren.lindsey at gmail.com (Warren Lindsey) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:13:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? Message-ID: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> Google transit will show you the next scheduled train to arrive at your location. Not quite gps but still a good estimate. Gmaps supports transit data on iphone and windows mobile. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Tobin Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:30 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Jordan Sherer wrote: > This is pretty great for the iPhone: > http://ctabustracker.com/bustime/home.jsp > > There is a text-only version for other mobile devices as well: > http://ctabustracker.com/bustime/wireless/html/home.jsp > > I love knowing EXACTLY when the bus will come. Woah ... I never knew about that. Nice! Now they just need one for the trains, too, and a location-enabled iPhone app that tells you what buses will be arriving soon exactly where you are ... ::keeps dreaming:: ^_^ _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From warren.lindsey at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 08:23:30 2008 From: warren.lindsey at gmail.com (Warren Lindsey) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:23:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? In-Reply-To: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> Whoops, hit send before adding the codey-bit. The cta data is published to google as a GTFS feed. You can parse the stops, times, and routes out with this script: http://transit-developers.googlegroups.com/web/transitfeed.py On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Warren Lindsey wrote: > Google transit will show you the next scheduled train to arrive at your location. Not quite gps but still a good estimate. Gmaps supports transit data on iphone and windows mobile. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Tobin > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:30 PM > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Jordan Sherer wrote: >> This is pretty great for the iPhone: >> http://ctabustracker.com/bustime/home.jsp >> >> There is a text-only version for other mobile devices as well: >> http://ctabustracker.com/bustime/wireless/html/home.jsp >> >> I love knowing EXACTLY when the bus will come. > > Woah ... I never knew about that. Nice! Now they just need one for > the trains, too, and a location-enabled iPhone app that tells you what > buses will be arriving soon exactly where you are ... ::keeps > dreaming:: ^_^ > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From mjmccune at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 09:19:20 2008 From: mjmccune at gmail.com (Mike McCune) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:19:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] CTA directions from a mobile device In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C8C678.9070301@gmail.com> www.rtamobile.com It has a trip planner for all buses and trains in the Chicago area. > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:08:18 -0500 > From: "Cosmin Stejerean" > Subject: Re: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue for September? > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Message-ID: > <276266d0809101708ycd3ae44h79b8d65520b0422e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thanks. Anyone know of a good way to get CTA directions from a mobile device? > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Phil Robare wrote: > >> The Foster bus makes its run to the west starting from the Berwyn stop >> on the Red Line. Transfer to the bus and take it over to Ravenswood >> Ave. (where Foster dives under the Metra tracks) and you only have two >> short blocks to walk. For the cost of the additional quarter for the >> transfer. >> >> Phil >> >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: >> >>> ... about as close as the Ravenswood Metra is to Imaginary >>> Landscape (half a mile, which is about half the distance from the Argyle >>> train station). >>> >>> - Cosmin >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > > > From pfein at pobox.com Thu Sep 11 16:10:54 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:10:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Job Opening: Python Developer (Telecommute) Message-ID: <739AF0BD-C784-450F-AD47-E413E2A87788@pobox.com> Hi all- My company Juju is looking to hire more developers. Interested? Talk to me at the meeting tonight. --Pete `Juju, Inc. `__ (Telecommute) ======================================= **Job Description**: Juju, a popular vertical search engine focused on jobs, seeks skilled **Python Developer** for fun and profit. Juju's goal is to make job search easier using technology and thoughtful user interface design. We strive to create groundbreaking tools that make it faster and easier for online job seekers to find exactly what they're looking for. Our job search engine provides a single point of access to millions of jobs found on thousands of employer websites and job boards around the web, and offers features that help job seekers screen and apply to the right opportunities more efficiently. Our work to date has enabled us to attract millions of unique visitors every month, and laid a solid foundation for the future. The best is yet to come - we need talented, creative programmers to help us meet our ambitious goals. If you: - have deep python experience - want to work with bright, motivated people - enjoy tackling BIG problems with clever code send us an application or just drop us a note. If you don't have all of the skills below, but think you're a great fit, apply anyway and tell us why. Employees are given substantial freedom to design and implement solutions, and allocate their own time. We telecommute and maintain a demanding, but flexible, work environment. The team is US based, but we will consider qualified global applicants. Project and part-time arrangements are possible. Candidates should be experienced, well-rounded programmers, familiar with a range of practices, including maintaining a shared code base, object-oriented design, network programming, multithreading, optimization, and unit testing. The ability to communicate effectively with coworkers while working independently with limited oversight is essential. **NOTE:** *In addition to the position described below, we're looking for a System Administrator and an experienced User Interface Designer. If that's you, just mention that when applying via the link below.* **Desired Interest/Experience**: - Text search & analysis - RESTful distributed computing & storage - Web crawling techniques - Automated text extraction & machine learning - Building interactive web apps **Desired Technical Background**: - Python, Python, Python! - Linux or other modern UNIX - Subversion & Trac - protocol-level HTTP: lighttpd, pound, squid - Storage Engines: Lucene, SQLite, metakit, memcached - Twisted - HTML/XML/JSON * **Contact**: Juju HR * **Apply Here**: http://juju.standoutjobs.com/jobs/932-python-developer * **E-mail Contact**: work at juju.com (apply above) * **Web**: http://www.juju.com/ From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 20:26:09 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:26:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] pre-meeting meeting (or, a BURGER for Carl) Message-ID: Last time we met at Imaginary Landscape, Carl wanted to go for burgers and beer beforehand. Somehow we ended up at Hop Leaf. Hop Leaf has beer, oh god does it have beer, but it does not have burgers! IIRC that was partly my decision so I owe Carl bigtime. If you weren't on #chipy then this is to let you know tonight we're going to Fireside, 5739 N Ravenswood Ave, which is 7 blocks away from Imaginary Landscape: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=5121+North+Ravenswood+Avenue,+Chicago,+IL+60640+(Imaginary+Landscape)&daddr=5739+N+Ravenswood+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60660+(Fireside)&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&dirflg=w&sll=41.978762,-87.674074&sspn=0.019748,0.04004&ie=UTF8&ll=41.980358,-87.674503&spn=0.019747,0.04004&z=15 ... home of the Fireside Burger. Supposedly they have wifi too. http://www.firesidechicago.com/menus.html _ Anyone interested is welcome to join. #chipynauts will be there around 5:30 and if the weather is still as beautiful as right now perhaps we'll be in back on the patio. Meeting is at 7, a mere stumbling distance away! seeya, Kumar From jordan at widefido.com Fri Sep 12 20:28:48 2008 From: jordan at widefido.com (Jordan Sherer) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:28:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> Hey all, I'm working on an application and am interested in using Python to expose a public API for plugins. I've found a number of examples and ideas in my research, and have started writing a simple library for managing plugins. But, I was wondering if you have any recommendations for existing "plugin frameworks" to save me some time in implementation. Thanks for your help! Best, Jordan From varmaa at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 20:40:28 2008 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:40:28 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> Message-ID: <361b27370809121140v42208deela885c14f147b4b09@mail.gmail.com> My understanding is that setuptools includes a simple framework for this, which Trac (among other projects) uses for its plugins; I tried googling a bit to throw you a link, though, and couldn't find anything really definitive. Anyone else know more about it? - Atul On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Jordan Sherer wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm working on an application and am interested in using Python to expose a > public API for plugins. > > I've found a number of examples and ideas in my research, and have started > writing a simple library for managing plugins. But, I was wondering if you > have any recommendations for existing "plugin frameworks" to save me some > time in implementation. > > Thanks for your help! > > Best, > Jordan_______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jordan at widefido.com Fri Sep 12 20:45:58 2008 From: jordan at widefido.com (Jordan Sherer) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:45:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <361b27370809121140v42208deela885c14f147b4b09@mail.gmail.com> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> <361b27370809121140v42208deela885c14f147b4b09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48A97F6F-2B75-4612-B7EC-B000008C0D01@widefido.com> > My understanding is that setuptools includes a simple framework for > this, which Trac (among other projects) uses for its plugins; I > tried googling a bit to throw you a link, though, and couldn't find > anything really definitive. Thanks for the effort :) That is what I've heard as well, but haven't found anything definitive there. The library I have written so far *has* proved to be somewhat useful (although buggy at the moment). I am just wondering if there is an existing and/or better way to accomplish this. If not, maybe I can work on my code a little bit more, extending it, and then open source it for all. If I go this route, does anybody have any suggestions for specific functionality of a plugin framework? Thanks for your help. Best, Jordan From pfein at pobox.com Fri Sep 12 21:07:20 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Start a New Thread Already, was Re: Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> Message-ID: <4650E773-384D-4795-B1F7-654FB97DF11B@pobox.com> People! The SkinnyCorp thread is out of control. When starting a new topic of discussion, use a new message instead of replying to a random existing message. A friendly reminder from your local neighborhood Netiquette bot. On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Jordan Sherer wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm working on an application and am interested in using Python to > expose a public API for plugins. > > I've found a number of examples and ideas in my research, and have > started writing a simple library for managing plugins. But, I was > wondering if you have any recommendations for existing "plugin > frameworks" to save me some time in implementation. > > Thanks for your help! > > Best, > Jordan_______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From orblivion at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 21:10:20 2008 From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:10:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <48A97F6F-2B75-4612-B7EC-B000008C0D01@widefido.com> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> <361b27370809121140v42208deela885c14f147b4b09@mail.gmail.com> <48A97F6F-2B75-4612-B7EC-B000008C0D01@widefido.com> Message-ID: <94e10adf0809121210o68b85fabn9f9ff33d90ae385e@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps this won't end up applying to you, but you should check into Swig and Pyrex. They make interfacing C with Python a lot simpler. On 9/12/08, Jordan Sherer wrote: > >> My understanding is that setuptools includes a simple framework for >> this, which Trac (among other projects) uses for its plugins; I >> tried googling a bit to throw you a link, though, and couldn't find >> anything really definitive. > > Thanks for the effort :) That is what I've heard as well, but haven't > found anything definitive there. > > The library I have written so far *has* proved to be somewhat useful > (although buggy at the moment). I am just wondering if there is an > existing and/or better way to accomplish this. > > If not, maybe I can work on my code a little bit more, extending it, > and then open source it for all. If I go this route, does anybody have > any suggestions for specific functionality of a plugin framework? > > Thanks for your help. > > Best, > Jordan > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From varmaa at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 21:13:23 2008 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:13:23 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] Start a New Thread Already, was Re: Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <4650E773-384D-4795-B1F7-654FB97DF11B@pobox.com> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> <4650E773-384D-4795-B1F7-654FB97DF11B@pobox.com> Message-ID: <361b27370809121213u1c6c3309i8e82547ce33fa57@mail.gmail.com> What's the SkinnyCorp thread? On my gmail, the Python Plugins post did look like a new thread of conversation... On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Pete wrote: > People! > > The SkinnyCorp thread is out of control. When starting a new topic of > discussion, use a new message instead of replying to a random existing > message. > > A friendly reminder from your local neighborhood Netiquette bot. > > > On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Jordan Sherer wrote: > > Hey all, >> >> I'm working on an application and am interested in using Python to expose >> a public API for plugins. >> >> I've found a number of examples and ideas in my research, and have started >> writing a simple library for managing plugins. But, I was wondering if you >> have any recommendations for existing "plugin frameworks" to save me some >> time in implementation. >> >> Thanks for your help! >> >> Best, >> Jordan_______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwebber at dustycloud.org Fri Sep 12 21:19:23 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:19:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Start a New Thread Already, was Re: Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <361b27370809121213u1c6c3309i8e82547ce33fa57@mail.gmail.com> (Atul Varma's message of "Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:13:23 -0700") References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> <4650E773-384D-4795-B1F7-654FB97DF11B@pobox.com> <361b27370809121213u1c6c3309i8e82547ce33fa57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <878wtxrx38.fsf@dustycloud.org> That's because gmail does threading wrong. That email was still: In-Reply-To: <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b at mail.gmail.com> "Atul Varma" writes: > What's the SkinnyCorp thread? On my gmail, the Python Plugins post did look like a new > thread of conversation... > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Pete wrote: > > People! > > The SkinnyCorp thread is out of control. When starting a new topic of discussion, > use a new message instead of replying to a random existing message. > > A friendly reminder from your local neighborhood Netiquette bot. > > On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Jordan Sherer wrote: > > Hey all, > > I'm working on an application and am interested in using Python to expose a > public API for plugins. > > I've found a number of examples and ideas in my research, and have started > writing a simple library for managing plugins. But, I was wondering if you have > any recommendations for existing "plugin frameworks" to save me some time in > implementation. > > Thanks for your help! > > Best, > Jordan_______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From tcp at mac.com Fri Sep 12 21:22:16 2008 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:22:16 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Start a New Thread Already, was Re: Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <361b27370809121213u1c6c3309i8e82547ce33fa57@mail.gmail.com> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> <4650E773-384D-4795-B1F7-654FB97DF11B@pobox.com> <361b27370809121213u1c6c3309i8e82547ce33fa57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66A9A52A-1144-4784-B950-6863AEEE7EC9@mac.com> On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Atul Varma wrote: > What's the SkinnyCorp thread? On my gmail, the Python Plugins post > did look like a new thread of conversation... Mail.app isn't that smart, it seems. -t From jordan at widefido.com Fri Sep 12 21:25:27 2008 From: jordan at widefido.com (Jordan Sherer) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:25:27 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Start a New Thread Already, was Re: Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <66A9A52A-1144-4784-B950-6863AEEE7EC9@mac.com> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> <4650E773-384D-4795-B1F7-654FB97DF11B@pobox.com> <361b27370809121213u1c6c3309i8e82547ce33fa57@mail.gmail.com> <66A9A52A-1144-4784-B950-6863AEEE7EC9@mac.com> Message-ID: <06577AC1-E901-4056-8B9C-CCE000183AAE@widefido.com> My bad. I apologize :) (Mail.app user also :P) Best, Jordan On Sep 12, 2008, at Sep 12 2:22 PM, Ted Pollari wrote: > > On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Atul Varma wrote: > >> What's the SkinnyCorp thread? On my gmail, the Python Plugins post >> did look like a new thread of conversation... > > > Mail.app isn't that smart, it seems. > > -t > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From maney at two14.net Sat Sep 13 05:49:42 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:49:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Start a New Thread Already, was Re: Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <66A9A52A-1144-4784-B950-6863AEEE7EC9@mac.com> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> <4650E773-384D-4795-B1F7-654FB97DF11B@pobox.com> <361b27370809121213u1c6c3309i8e82547ce33fa57@mail.gmail.com> <66A9A52A-1144-4784-B950-6863AEEE7EC9@mac.com> Message-ID: <20080913034942.GB10112@furrr.two14.net> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 02:22:16PM -0500, Ted Pollari wrote: > Mail.app isn't that smart, it seems. Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it... badly. :-) /me isn't sure where exactly Emacs fits in to all that -- Minsky's Organism Principle: When a system evolves to become more complex, this always involves a compromise: if its parts become too separate, then the system's abilities will be limited; but if there are too many interconnections, then each change in one part will disrupt many others. From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 06:37:09 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:37:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Start a New Thread Already, was Re: Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <878wtxrx38.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> <4650E773-384D-4795-B1F7-654FB97DF11B@pobox.com> <361b27370809121213u1c6c3309i8e82547ce33fa57@mail.gmail.com> <878wtxrx38.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > That's because gmail does threading wrong. Since all of us on gmail saw the actual intended thread, one might say gmail got it right. Just sayin' > > That email was still: > In-Reply-To: <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b at mail.gmail.com> > > > "Atul Varma" writes: > >> What's the SkinnyCorp thread? On my gmail, the Python Plugins post did look like a new >> thread of conversation... >> >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Pete wrote: >> >> People! >> >> The SkinnyCorp thread is out of control. When starting a new topic of discussion, >> use a new message instead of replying to a random existing message. >> >> A friendly reminder from your local neighborhood Netiquette bot. >> >> On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Jordan Sherer wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> >> I'm working on an application and am interested in using Python to expose a >> public API for plugins. >> >> I've found a number of examples and ideas in my research, and have started >> writing a simple library for managing plugins. But, I was wondering if you have >> any recommendations for existing "plugin frameworks" to save me some time in >> implementation. >> >> Thanks for your help! >> >> Best, >> Jordan_______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From robkapteyn at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 01:57:09 2008 From: robkapteyn at gmail.com (Rob Kapteyn) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:57:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <94e10adf0809121210o68b85fabn9f9ff33d90ae385e@mail.gmail.com> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> <361b27370809121140v42208deela885c14f147b4b09@mail.gmail.com> <48A97F6F-2B75-4612-B7EC-B000008C0D01@widefido.com> <94e10adf0809121210o68b85fabn9f9ff33d90ae385e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jordan: I like listening to podcasts while I exercise, and I just listened to a good one on this subject: "Software Engineering Radio - the podcast for professional software developers" "Episode 104: Plugin Architectures" dated 7/20/08. I don't think it deals with python at all, but it did bring up a number of issues I might not have considered. It might be worth a listen. -Rob On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Dan Krol wrote: > Perhaps this won't end up applying to you, but you should check into > Swig and Pyrex. They make interfacing C with Python a lot simpler. > > On 9/12/08, Jordan Sherer wrote: >> >>> My understanding is that setuptools includes a simple framework for >>> this, which Trac (among other projects) uses for its plugins; I >>> tried googling a bit to throw you a link, though, and couldn't find >>> anything really definitive. >> >> Thanks for the effort :) That is what I've heard as well, but haven't >> found anything definitive there. >> >> The library I have written so far *has* proved to be somewhat useful >> (although buggy at the moment). I am just wondering if there is an >> existing and/or better way to accomplish this. >> >> If not, maybe I can work on my code a little bit more, extending it, >> and then open source it for all. If I go this route, does anybody >> have >> any suggestions for specific functionality of a plugin framework? >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Best, >> Jordan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jordan at widefido.com Sun Sep 14 03:16:28 2008 From: jordan at widefido.com (Jordan Sherer) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:16:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Python Plugins In-Reply-To: References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> <361b27370809121140v42208deela885c14f147b4b09@mail.gmail.com> <48A97F6F-2B75-4612-B7EC-B000008C0D01@widefido.com> <94e10adf0809121210o68b85fabn9f9ff33d90ae385e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <91D6B078-08EB-4222-A1FB-03012E33891D@widefido.com> Rob: Thanks for sending this my way. You've 1) turned me on to a new and interesting podcast :) and 2) helped me wrap my head around some things I hadn't thought about. All: For those of you without 50 minutes to spare, I've typed up a few of the points that I found particularly interesting: --- A plugin architecture has 4 important roles: 1. Finding plugins and loading plugins 2. Keeping track of loaded plugins and their extension points 3. Managing inter-plugin dependencies. 4. Providing a communication layer between application to plugin, or plugin to plugin There are different "flavors" of plugin architectures. 1. An application that is useful in and of itself, which defines extension points for "add-ons", or additional functionality (An add- on plugin system) 2. An application built entirely of plugins, where plugins can extend existing extension points and provide new extension points for other plugins. (A pure-plugin system, similar to Eclipse) In both cases, an application must not depend on a particular plugin. It may not make sense to use a plugin framework for tiny applications. But anything with more than a few classes could benefit. And, applications that DO use a plugin system, allow for future growth. (In the podcast, they were describing cases where DECADES could go by using the same code-base with a plugin system...interesting) --- Overall, this was a pretty interesting podcast. Here's a link if anybody wants to listen: http://www.se-radio.net/podcast/2008-07/episode-104-plugin-architectures Update on my Python Plugin System: After searching, researching, and checking out existing plugin systems for Python (Twisted, setuptools, Sprinkltes, etc), I decided that none really fit the bill of simplicity that I am looking for. So, I finished writing one. With a few tweaks and code refactoring, this could be incredibly useful tool for others. I'll probably be setting up it up as an open-source project in the near future. If anybody is interested in the meantime, feel free to email me. Thanks again for all of your help! Best, Jordan On Sep 13, 2008, at Sep 13 6:57 PM, Rob Kapteyn wrote: > Jordan: > I like listening to podcasts while I exercise, and I just listened > to a good one on this subject: > "Software Engineering Radio - the podcast for professional software > developers" > "Episode 104: Plugin Architectures" dated 7/20/08. > > I don't think it deals with python at all, but it did bring up a > number of issues I might not have considered. > It might be worth a listen. > -Rob > > On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Dan Krol wrote: > >> Perhaps this won't end up applying to you, but you should check into >> Swig and Pyrex. They make interfacing C with Python a lot simpler. >> >> On 9/12/08, Jordan Sherer wrote: >>> >>>> My understanding is that setuptools includes a simple framework for >>>> this, which Trac (among other projects) uses for its plugins; I >>>> tried googling a bit to throw you a link, though, and couldn't find >>>> anything really definitive. >>> >>> Thanks for the effort :) That is what I've heard as well, but >>> haven't >>> found anything definitive there. >>> >>> The library I have written so far *has* proved to be somewhat useful >>> (although buggy at the moment). I am just wondering if there is an >>> existing and/or better way to accomplish this. >>> >>> If not, maybe I can work on my code a little bit more, extending it, >>> and then open source it for all. If I go this route, does anybody >>> have >>> any suggestions for specific functionality of a plugin framework? >>> >>> Thanks for your help. >>> >>> Best, >>> Jordan >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Sun Sep 14 05:54:27 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:54:27 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Start a New Thread Already, was Re: Python Plugins In-Reply-To: References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> <4650E773-384D-4795-B1F7-654FB97DF11B@pobox.com> <361b27370809121213u1c6c3309i8e82547ce33fa57@mail.gmail.com> <878wtxrx38.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <48CC8AF3.808@personnelware.com> I am slightly more interested in what the apps are doing than what the humans think of it. although human behavior is kinda fun to observe too. can someone who cares look at the headers of the offending post and post the .. relevant ones? also, I am guessing gmail just uses the subject? Carl K Kumar McMillan wrote: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Christopher Allan Webber > wrote: >> That's because gmail does threading wrong. > > Since all of us on gmail saw the actual intended thread, one might say > gmail got it right. Just sayin' > >> That email was still: >> In-Reply-To: <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b at mail.gmail.com> >> >> >> "Atul Varma" writes: >> >>> What's the SkinnyCorp thread? On my gmail, the Python Plugins post did look like a new >>> thread of conversation... >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Pete wrote: >>> >>> People! >>> >>> The SkinnyCorp thread is out of control. When starting a new topic of discussion, >>> use a new message instead of replying to a random existing message. >>> >>> A friendly reminder from your local neighborhood Netiquette bot. >>> >>> On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Jordan Sherer wrote: >>> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I'm working on an application and am interested in using Python to expose a >>> public API for plugins. >>> >>> I've found a number of examples and ideas in my research, and have started >>> writing a simple library for managing plugins. But, I was wondering if you have >>> any recommendations for existing "plugin frameworks" to save me some time in >>> implementation. >>> >>> Thanks for your help! >>> >>> Best, >>> Jordan_______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From szybalski at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 06:20:50 2008 From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:20:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Python Plugins In-Reply-To: <91D6B078-08EB-4222-A1FB-03012E33891D@widefido.com> References: <48c8b70e.0906c00a.60ac.625c@mx.google.com> <841e880a0809102323p4a201d55i990762215c1cbe9b@mail.gmail.com> <68E735AD-5786-4786-A10D-987C9E939BA4@widefido.com> <361b27370809121140v42208deela885c14f147b4b09@mail.gmail.com> <48A97F6F-2B75-4612-B7EC-B000008C0D01@widefido.com> <94e10adf0809121210o68b85fabn9f9ff33d90ae385e@mail.gmail.com> <91D6B078-08EB-4222-A1FB-03012E33891D@widefido.com> Message-ID: <804e5c70809132120s4703bad4o8060528a0227ff4f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Jordan Sherer wrote: > Rob: > Thanks for sending this my way. You've 1) turned me on to a new and > interesting podcast :) and 2) helped me wrap my head around some things I > hadn't thought about. > All: > For those of you without 50 minutes to spare, I've typed up a few of the > points that I found particularly interesting: > --- > A plugin architecture has 4 important roles: > 1. Finding plugins and loading plugins > 2. Keeping track of loaded plugins and their extension points > 3. Managing inter-plugin dependencies. > 4. Providing a communication layer between application to plugin, or plugin > to plugin > There are different "flavors" of plugin architectures. > 1. An application that is useful in and of itself, which defines extension > points for "add-ons", or additional functionality (An add-on plugin > system) > 2. An application built entirely of plugins, where plugins can extend > existing extension points and provide new extension points for other > plugins. (A pure-plugin system, similar to Eclipse) > In both cases, an application must not depend on a particular plugin. > It may not make sense to use a plugin framework for tiny applications. But > anything with more than a few classes could benefit. And, applications that > DO use a plugin system, allow for future growth. (In the podcast, they were > describing cases where DECADES could go by using the same code-base with a > plugin system...interesting) > --- > Overall, this was a pretty interesting podcast. Here's a link if anybody > wants to listen: > http://www.se-radio.net/podcast/2008-07/episode-104-plugin-architectures > Update on my Python Plugin System: > After searching, researching, and checking out existing plugin systems for > Python (Twisted, setuptools, Sprinkltes, etc), I decided that none really > fit the bill of simplicity that I am looking for. So, I finished writing > one. With a few tweaks and code refactoring, this could be incredibly useful > tool for others. I wonder if you could integrate your code into python paste project or use it with their system. Lucas From jordan at widefido.com Sun Sep 14 17:36:13 2008 From: jordan at widefido.com (Jordan Sherer) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:36:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain Message-ID: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? From skip at pobox.com Mon Sep 15 13:17:25 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:17:25 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> Message-ID: <18638.17477.587674.844344@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Jordan> How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? Our house is pretty dry here in Evanston, though from the looks of things a number of neighbors got a fair amount of water. Nothing that would chase them out of their homes though. Skip From maney at two14.net Mon Sep 15 13:36:49 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:36:49 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> Message-ID: <20080915113649.GA15446@furrr.two14.net> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:36:13AM -0500, Jordan Sherer wrote: > How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? Things are going just swimmingly, old chap. How's it by yours? -- Some people hack for fun, some because they want things their way; some don't because they can't, and some because they can't be bothered. Some can make anything work, some could but would rather not, and some would misconfigure a bowling ball. -- unknown From jordan at widefido.com Mon Sep 15 14:48:13 2008 From: jordan at widefido.com (Jordan Sherer) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:48:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <20080915113649.GA15446@furrr.two14.net> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> <20080915113649.GA15446@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <0D517C25-41F6-4087-AF91-D18BB0858D92@widefido.com> Not too bad down here. Just a leak in the ceiling. However, I do have a friend that lives a few blocks from the Desplains. I wish the best of luck and good tidings to all who have been affected by the rain. On Sep 15, 2008, at Sep 15 6:36 AM, Martin Maney wrote: > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:36:13AM -0500, Jordan Sherer wrote: >> How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? > > Things are going just swimmingly, old chap. How's it by yours? > > -- > Some people hack for fun, some because they want things their way; > some don't because they can't, and some because they can't be > bothered. > Some can make anything work, some could but would rather not, > and some would misconfigure a bowling ball. -- unknown > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From tottinge at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 15:28:07 2008 From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:28:07 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> Message-ID: <48CE62E7.7090206@gmail.com> Jordan Sherer wrote: > How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? High ground in Antioch, I'm doing fine, but a great many friends/neighbors are having basement flooding and yard flooding. Glad the sun is out today. From shekay at pobox.com Mon Sep 15 16:47:47 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:47:47 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Jordan Sherer wrote: > How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? My parents held up fine. No trees fell on their house, no flooding. The levy in Port Arthur held. Carl didn't fare so well though. water in basement, water in neighbor's basement, run on pumps at Home Depot. -- sheila From jsudlow at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 16:57:46 2008 From: jsudlow at gmail.com (Jon Sudlow) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:57:46 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> Message-ID: Classes are canceled today! On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:47 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Jordan Sherer > wrote: > > How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? > > My parents held up fine. No trees fell on their house, no flooding. > The levy in Port Arthur held. > > Carl didn't fare so well though. water in basement, water in > neighbor's basement, run on pumps at Home Depot. > > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Jon Sudlow 3225 Foster Avenue 221 Sohlberg Hall C.P.O 2224 Chicago, Il 60625 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From korpios at korpios.com Mon Sep 15 17:08:11 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:08:11 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:47 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Jordan Sherer wrote: >> How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? > > My parents held up fine. No trees fell on their house, no flooding. > The levy in Port Arthur held. > > Carl didn't fare so well though. water in basement, water in > neighbor's basement, run on pumps at Home Depot. Geez, where *are* you guys? I'll be apartment hunting again this coming spring (likely the north side), and I'd like to avoid anywhere so easily flooded ... ^_^ Over here in southern Oak Park we've barely noticed a thing. From shekay at pobox.com Mon Sep 15 18:12:29 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:12:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Tom Tobin wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:47 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Jordan Sherer wrote: >>> How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? >> >> My parents held up fine. No trees fell on their house, no flooding. >> The levy in Port Arthur held. >> >> Carl didn't fare so well though. water in basement, water in >> neighbor's basement, run on pumps at Home Depot. > > Geez, where *are* you guys? I'll be apartment hunting again this > coming spring (likely the north side), and I'd like to avoid anywhere > so easily flooded ... ^_^ Over here in southern Oak Park we've barely > noticed a thing. Carl's in Niles. My place was okay and I'm near the Ravenswood stop. Over on Foster near the parks there (after Pulaski?) there was some extreme flooding. When you do your search check out where the branches of the Chicago river are and take that into consideration. Part of it flows through Albany Park, under lawrence, etc. Maybe we could get flood map info on every block. -- sheila From cstejerean at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 18:52:10 2008 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:52:10 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] weekly beer meetup Message-ID: <276266d0809150952h2ebe048aj63a158e597130619@mail.gmail.com> The past couple of beer meetups have worked really well so I'd like to try and make this a weekly thing at Jefferson Tap since it has decent beer, free wifi and it worked out well in the past. I'd like to rotate the day of the week (M-Th) and skip weeks when there is a regular Chipy meeting (an announcement will be sent at the beginning of every week). This week's meeting will start at 6pm on Wed @ Jefferson Tap. So far Carl confirmed he'll be there. So come join us for beer and *HAMBURGER* -- Cosmin Stejerean http://blog.offbytwo.com From jbsnyder at fanplastic.org Mon Sep 15 19:13:05 2008 From: jbsnyder at fanplastic.org (James Snyder) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:13:05 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> Message-ID: <48CE97A1.4010109@fanplastic.org> Hi - This isn't particularly detailed as far as whether particular neighborhoods and whatnot are flooded, but it does show recent river level data for flooding: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ahps2/index.php?wfo=lot I'd assume that the river flooding and not the storm/sewer backup is probably the most problematic. That said, flooding is another valid reason to like non ground floor or garden units :-) OTOH, I don't recall anything this extensive in the 7 years I've been here. OT/Background: I'm new to the list. I've been playing with Python on and off for a bit, but have now started using it in as many projects as I can. I thought it might be nice to connect with some other local pythonistas (I suppose that's the correct term). Best. -jsnyder sheila miguez wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Tom Tobin wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:47 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Jordan Sherer wrote: >>> >>>> How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? >>>> >>> My parents held up fine. No trees fell on their house, no flooding. >>> The levy in Port Arthur held. >>> >>> Carl didn't fare so well though. water in basement, water in >>> neighbor's basement, run on pumps at Home Depot. >>> >> Geez, where *are* you guys? I'll be apartment hunting again this >> coming spring (likely the north side), and I'd like to avoid anywhere >> so easily flooded ... ^_^ Over here in southern Oak Park we've barely >> noticed a thing. >> > > Carl's in Niles. > > My place was okay and I'm near the Ravenswood stop. Over on Foster > near the parks there (after Pulaski?) there was some extreme flooding. > When you do your search check out where the branches of the Chicago > river are and take that into consideration. Part of it flows through > Albany Park, under lawrence, etc. > > Maybe we could get flood map info on every block. > > > From paulsmith at pobox.com Mon Sep 15 20:07:15 2008 From: paulsmith at pobox.com (Paul Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:07:15 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <48CE97A1.4010109@fanplastic.org> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> <48CE97A1.4010109@fanplastic.org> Message-ID: <8c58fcec0809151107q3f2db009t765877734742b921@mail.gmail.com> Here's a really interesting and detailed explanation of how the flooding was handled (or not handled depending on your point of view), by one of the commissioners of the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District, which has authority over Cook County's stormwater and sewer management: http://www.prairiestateblue.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4526 On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:13 PM, James Snyder wrote: > Hi - > > This isn't particularly detailed as far as whether particular neighborhoods > and whatnot are flooded, but it does show recent river level data for > flooding: > http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ahps2/index.php?wfo=lot > > > I'd assume that the river flooding and not the storm/sewer backup is > probably the most problematic. That said, flooding is another valid reason > to like non ground floor or garden units :-) > > OTOH, I don't recall anything this extensive in the 7 years I've been here. > > OT/Background: > I'm new to the list. I've been playing with Python on and off for a bit, > but have now started using it in as many projects as I can. I thought it > might be nice to connect with some other local pythonistas (I suppose that's > the correct term). > > Best. > > -jsnyder > > sheila miguez wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Tom Tobin wrote: >> >> >>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:47 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Jordan Sherer >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> My parents held up fine. No trees fell on their house, no flooding. >>>> The levy in Port Arthur held. >>>> >>>> Carl didn't fare so well though. water in basement, water in >>>> neighbor's basement, run on pumps at Home Depot. >>>> >>>> >>> Geez, where *are* you guys? I'll be apartment hunting again this >>> coming spring (likely the north side), and I'd like to avoid anywhere >>> so easily flooded ... ^_^ Over here in southern Oak Park we've barely >>> noticed a thing. >>> >>> >> >> Carl's in Niles. >> >> My place was okay and I'm near the Ravenswood stop. Over on Foster >> near the parks there (after Pulaski?) there was some extreme flooding. >> When you do your search check out where the branches of the Chicago >> river are and take that into consideration. Part of it flows through >> Albany Park, under lawrence, etc. >> >> Maybe we could get flood map info on every block. >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Paul Smith http://www.pauladamsmith.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robkapteyn at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 20:16:42 2008 From: robkapteyn at gmail.com (Rob Kapteyn) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:16:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> Message-ID: <1E867F71-23DA-45EF-B04D-62B4270D516B@gmail.com> I went to check my basement at ~8:30 AM on Saturday and it was fine, just a small pool of water around the floor drain. I had fashioned a very effective plug for the floor drain as a defense against sewer backups. Then, while I was down there - during the most intense rain, I saw every little crack in the concrete starting to ooze water. After about 10 minutes, all of the joints between the basement walls and floor started gushing water. During the next 30 minutes, the basement filled to about 6 inches. Since I was there, I was able to save most of what was not already in plastic bins. Some plastic bins floated and tipped over though :-( My floor drain plug did help considerably -- when I pulled it, I saw black sewer water come up, so I closed it again. After another hour, I opened the floor drain and it all drained out. I have a big mess to clean up, at least its all rain water -- sewer water would have been much worse. I've been meaning to put some more dirt around the foundation of the house -- that should stop it from happening again. -Rob On Sep 14, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Jordan Sherer wrote: > How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From tottinge at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 20:19:29 2008 From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:19:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <1E867F71-23DA-45EF-B04D-62B4270D516B@gmail.com> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> <1E867F71-23DA-45EF-B04D-62B4270D516B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CEA731.8060903@gmail.com> Rob Kapteyn wrote: > > I have a big mess to clean up, at least its all rain water -- sewer > water would have been much worse. > I've been meaning to put some more dirt around the foundation of the > house -- that should stop it from happening again. > may need more drainage tile/pipe and gravel under that dirt. :-( From carl at personnelware.com Mon Sep 15 20:32:25 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:32:25 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <48CE97A1.4010109@fanplastic.org> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> <48CE97A1.4010109@fanplastic.org> Message-ID: <48CEAA39.4060005@personnelware.com> > > OTOH, I don't recall anything this extensive in the 7 years I've been here. > it was this close to record breaking. http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=lot&gage=dspi2&view=1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 > OT/Background: > I'm new to the list. I've been playing with Python on and off for a bit, > but have now started using it in as many projects as I can. I thought > it might be nice to connect with some other local pythonistas (I suppose > that's the correct term). Welcome to the list - be sure and come to the monthly meetings, PyCon in March and you are more than welcome to join us for the weekly waterhole gathering too. Carl K From cwebber at dustycloud.org Mon Sep 15 17:31:49 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:31:49 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Want to work for Imaginary Landscape? Message-ID: <87fxo1o26y.fsf@dustycloud.org> In case you've forgotten, Imaginary Landscape is the place we've held our last two meetings, and I'm the guy who really needed a haircut and talked about phones at our last meeting. Well, I've been offered a job I can't refuse working on Miro fulltime for the Participatory Culture Foundation. But Imaginary Landscape is still a great place to work, and I've really enjoyed my time here. And I will say with full honesty that my direct boss, Chris Peters, is an awesome person to work with, and the kind of boss that most programmers wish they had. We've got some interesting history here. Ian Bicking wrote Paste while working here, and recently we've begun transitioning to Django. It's all interesting stuff, and if working fulltime on python web development sounds interesting to you, send an email to employment at imagescape.com If you have more questions, feel free to ping me on IRC (I'm the guy with the lame username of 'paroneayea'), message me on jabber/xmpp at paroneayea at jabber.org, or send me an email. I'll be happy to talk to you about the job directly before you apply if you're interested. From tcp at mac.com Mon Sep 15 20:52:30 2008 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:52:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <48CEAA39.4060005@personnelware.com> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> <48CE97A1.4010109@fanplastic.org> <48CEAA39.4060005@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <5C22CBB8-2878-4BA5-9C69-5981918024A9@mac.com> On Sep 15, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > > > >> OTOH, I don't recall anything this extensive in the 7 years I've >> been here. > > it was this close to record breaking. > > http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=lot&gage=dspi2&view=1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 Actually, it was record breaking -- Saturday had the most rainfall recorded for a single day since records have been kept in Chicago. -t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought it >> might be nice to connect with some other local pythonistas (I suppose that's >> the correct term). > > Welcome to the list - be sure and come to the monthly meetings, PyCon in > March and you are more than welcome to join us for the weekly waterhole > gathering too. > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From carl at personnelware.com Mon Sep 15 20:57:53 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:57:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <1E867F71-23DA-45EF-B04D-62B4270D516B@gmail.com> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> <1E867F71-23DA-45EF-B04D-62B4270D516B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CEB031.9090809@personnelware.com> Rob Kapteyn wrote: > I went to check my basement at ~8:30 AM on Saturday and it was fine, > just a small pool of water around the floor drain. > I had fashioned a very effective plug for the floor drain as a defense > against sewer backups. > > Then, while I was down there - during the most intense rain, I saw every > little crack in the concrete starting to ooze water. > After about 10 minutes, all of the joints between the basement walls and > floor started gushing water. > During the next 30 minutes, the basement filled to about 6 inches. > > Since I was there, I was able to save most of what was not already in > plastic bins. > Some plastic bins floated and tipped over though :-( > > My floor drain plug did help considerably -- when I pulled it, I saw > black sewer water come up, so I closed it again. > After another hour, I opened the floor drain and it all drained out. I have the same thing. plug, ooze, few inches of water, mostly ready for it but get lazy and put some stuff on the floor, which now gets thrown out like it should have been instead of being pack ratted away. > > I have a big mess to clean up, at least its all rain water -- sewer > water would have been much worse. > I've been meaning to put some more dirt around the foundation of the > house -- that should stop it from happening again. I doubt more dirt will do squat. rain falls on dirt, soaks in and travels downward into various strata. eventually it hits clay or something less soak friendly, where it goes sideways till it hits the hold that was dug before your basement was put in. the dirt that was filled around your basement is more soak friendly, so down it goes again. normally, there is some other downward place for it to go, but when the system gets overloaded, it starts filling up that hole, and finding places to go, like the cracks, and out it comes. If I cared, I would jackhammer a hole in my basement floor, dig down a few feet and install a sump pump that ejected water into the street. but I don't care enough, and the next owner will probably just replace my whole house with a McMansion so there is no reason for me to invest. If you care, I will be happy to live out my dream of operating a jackhammer as described under She says, ``where did you get a jackhammer?'' http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2000/07.html If you cover the costs I'll even do my house first. Carl K > > -Rob > > On Sep 14, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Jordan Sherer wrote: > >> How is everybody holding up with all of this rain? >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From skip at pobox.com Mon Sep 15 21:48:03 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:48:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <94e10adf0809151153m2805a9f2k1ea172c4fa633f84@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> <48CE97A1.4010109@fanplastic.org> <48CEAA39.4060005@personnelware.com> <94e10adf0809151153m2805a9f2k1ea172c4fa633f84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18638.48115.585674.628640@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Dan> Does anybody happen to know how badly Winnetka (or nearby suburbs) Dan> got hit? Would one have to worry about basement flooding? I think you have to worry about basement flooding everywhere. A lot of it depends on how well your property drains, how clear your gutters and downspouts are, etc. I live in central Evanston and had no problem. My boss also lives in Evanston less than a mile from me. He had a few inches of water in his basement. People across the street and down a few houses also had water problems based upon the amount of water I saw being pumped to the street. Our next door neighbors and the neighbors behind us had ponds for back yards. Skip From nerkles at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 21:52:56 2008 From: nerkles at gmail.com (isaac) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:52:56 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <94e10adf0809151153m2805a9f2k1ea172c4fa633f84@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> <48CE97A1.4010109@fanplastic.org> <48CEAA39.4060005@personnelware.com> <94e10adf0809151153m2805a9f2k1ea172c4fa633f84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <57427b5b0809151252p2db191d3m5ae1da773db4a344@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Dan Krol wrote: > Does anybody happen to know how badly Winnetka (or nearby suburbs) got > hit? Would one have to worry about basement flooding? > I happened to drive through Winnetka on Saturday during the worst of it, and it looked pretty bad. I went through almost knee-high water for about 4 or 5 blocks at one point. I couldn't tell you what street it was because I was busy trying to help out the kids who were lined up to get splashed by cars. --Isaac -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orblivion at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 21:57:59 2008 From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:57:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Rain In-Reply-To: <57427b5b0809151252p2db191d3m5ae1da773db4a344@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A189561-8726-435E-910D-111B703B1F34@widefido.com> <48CE97A1.4010109@fanplastic.org> <48CEAA39.4060005@personnelware.com> <94e10adf0809151153m2805a9f2k1ea172c4fa633f84@mail.gmail.com> <57427b5b0809151252p2db191d3m5ae1da773db4a344@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <94e10adf0809151257g710dc55bg5d4812c55c0549b2@mail.gmail.com> Thanks a lot for the info, Skip and Isaac. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:52 PM, isaac wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Dan Krol wrote: >> >> Does anybody happen to know how badly Winnetka (or nearby suburbs) got >> hit? Would one have to worry about basement flooding? > > I happened to drive through Winnetka on Saturday during the worst of it, and > it looked pretty bad. I went through almost knee-high water for about 4 or 5 > blocks at one point. I couldn't tell you what street it was because I was > busy trying to help out the kids who were lined up to get splashed by cars. > --Isaac > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From tcp at mac.com Tue Sep 16 20:24:19 2008 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:24:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2009 needs volunteers for graphics/digital image work Message-ID: <956159A0-97D1-4458-A2A0-E8C2431A4C16@mac.com> Can anyone lend a hand? If so, speak up or, better, join the PyCon organizers mailing list and announce yourself: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-organizers Thanks! -ted From deadwisdom at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 17:19:08 2008 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:19:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2009 needs volunteers for graphics/digital image work In-Reply-To: <956159A0-97D1-4458-A2A0-E8C2431A4C16@mac.com> References: <956159A0-97D1-4458-A2A0-E8C2431A4C16@mac.com> Message-ID: <694c06d60809170819l2fad8b9fqc4a3c76272c23bd5@mail.gmail.com> Will do... On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Ted Pollari wrote: > Can anyone lend a hand? If so, speak up or, better, join the PyCon > organizers mailing list and announce yourself: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-organizers > > > Thanks! > > -ted > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From shekay at pobox.com Wed Sep 17 20:43:19 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:43:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] weekly beer meetup In-Reply-To: <276266d0809150952h2ebe048aj63a158e597130619@mail.gmail.com> References: <276266d0809150952h2ebe048aj63a158e597130619@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: BEER DAY REMINDER BEER and hamburger. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > The past couple of beer meetups have worked really well so I'd like to > try and make this a weekly thing at Jefferson Tap since it has decent > beer, free wifi and it worked out well in the past. I'd like to rotate > the day of the week (M-Th) and skip weeks when there is a regular > Chipy meeting (an announcement will be sent at the beginning of every > week). > > This week's meeting will start at 6pm on Wed @ Jefferson Tap. So far > Carl confirmed he'll be there. So come join us for beer and > *HAMBURGER* -- sheila From shekay at pobox.com Thu Sep 18 01:22:31 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:22:31 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] weekly beer meetup In-Reply-To: <276266d0809150952h2ebe048aj63a158e597130619@mail.gmail.com> References: <276266d0809150952h2ebe048aj63a158e597130619@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm at Jefferson Tap right now and the only pythonista around. :/ On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > The past couple of beer meetups have worked really well so I'd like to > try and make this a weekly thing at Jefferson Tap since it has decent > beer, free wifi and it worked out well in the past. I'd like to rotate > the day of the week (M-Th) and skip weeks when there is a regular > Chipy meeting (an announcement will be sent at the beginning of every > week). > > This week's meeting will start at 6pm on Wed @ Jefferson Tap. So far > Carl confirmed he'll be there. So come join us for beer and > *HAMBURGER* > > -- > Cosmin Stejerean > http://blog.offbytwo.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- sheila From szybalski at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 18:21:41 2008 From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:21:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Teach Me at a ChiPy meeting? In-Reply-To: <361b27370803201024m29778770t5fee22a4e8f07986@mail.gmail.com> References: <18402.32256.320906.294656@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <361b27370803200825u2ea1b531vbfd74855b1d1ca37@mail.gmail.com> <20080320155028.GA7653@furrr.two14.net> <361b27370803200900i14e2eb9i2b52aeb4bcd5e1ee@mail.gmail.com> <20080320171439.GC7653@furrr.two14.net> <361b27370803201024m29778770t5fee22a4e8f07986@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <804e5c70809190921w431c21f8med955bfa98e1bbc2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Atul Varma wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Martin Maney wrote: >> >> [ot, after noticing the randomly selected sig quote: /me wonders if >> Joey's using git now? I know he has a neat sounding tool to help with >> managing your /etc using git that I'd need to find time to play with.] > > Hey, this can be OT if you use mercurial instead of git. :) It would be > really easy with mercurial, too... I think just do this as root: > > $ cd /etc > $ hg init > $ hg add * > $ hg commit > > o yea. > quick question. Is mercurial able to keep a revision history for each folder as a separate entity. I put all my projects under trunk and then work on each project in its own folders. Few years laster if one project expends and I need to take it out of trunk and put it under its own trunk source control, is there an adventage that mercurial could give me vs svn as far as keeping track of it. Is it easier to seperating one folder out of the whole trunk? I know this is tricky with svn as you need to filter the dump file for revisions that are connected to a folder you want to export and if you don't have access to make dump file for main trunk ....then its virtually impossible. Thanks, Lucas From g at rrett.us.com Fri Sep 19 18:53:48 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:53:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Teach Me at a ChiPy meeting? In-Reply-To: <258503618.1003111221842939349.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <468050914.1004451221843227965.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> If it's anything like Bazaar (Mercurial, git, and Bazaar should be on anyone's short list for a DVCS) you should be able to move (or push) the branch into its own repository. I do know that this is trivial/endemic behavior with Bazaar. Some propaganda: http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrVsHg I recently researched the three tool sets and have adopted Bazaar, but, from what I've read, Mercurial is outstanding as well. ----- "Lukasz Szybalski" wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Atul Varma > wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Martin Maney > wrote: > >> > >> [ot, after noticing the randomly selected sig quote: /me wonders > if > >> Joey's using git now? I know he has a neat sounding tool to help > with > >> managing your /etc using git that I'd need to find time to play > with.] > > > > Hey, this can be OT if you use mercurial instead of git. :) It > would be > > really easy with mercurial, too... I think just do this as root: > > > > $ cd /etc > > $ hg init > > $ hg add * > > $ hg commit > > > > o yea. > > > > > quick question. Is mercurial able to keep a revision history for each > folder as a separate entity. > > I put all my projects under trunk and then work on each project in > its own folders. Few years laster if one project expends and I need > to > take it out of trunk and put it under its own trunk source control, > is > there an adventage that mercurial could give me vs svn as far as > keeping track of it. Is it easier to seperating one folder out of the > whole trunk? I know this is tricky with svn as you need to filter the > dump file for revisions that are connected to a folder you want to > export and if you don't have access to make dump file for main trunk > ....then its virtually impossible. > > > Thanks, > Lucas > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From cstejerean at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 23:03:49 2008 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:03:49 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Teach Me at a ChiPy meeting? In-Reply-To: <468050914.1004451221843227965.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <258503618.1003111221842939349.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <468050914.1004451221843227965.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <276266d0809191403jae7283fn972c3b143648211a@mail.gmail.com> Pulling a branch into a separate repository is not a problem with any of the DVCS solutions, but that is quite different from pulling out a folder from a project out into a separate repository just for that folder. I'm not aware of any existing solutions, but it should be possible to put together a script that examines the commits in order, figures out which commits touch only the files you want, creates a series of patches that only touch that subfolder then apply all those patches in order on to a new repository. -- Cosmin Stejerean http://blog.offbytwo.com On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: > If it's anything like Bazaar (Mercurial, git, and Bazaar should be on anyone's short list for a DVCS) you should be able to move (or push) the branch into its own repository. > > I do know that this is trivial/endemic behavior with Bazaar. > > Some propaganda: > > http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrVsHg > > I recently researched the three tool sets and have adopted Bazaar, but, from what I've read, Mercurial is outstanding as well. > > ----- "Lukasz Szybalski" wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Atul Varma >> wrote: >> > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Martin Maney >> wrote: >> >> >> >> [ot, after noticing the randomly selected sig quote: /me wonders >> if >> >> Joey's using git now? I know he has a neat sounding tool to help >> with >> >> managing your /etc using git that I'd need to find time to play >> with.] >> > >> > Hey, this can be OT if you use mercurial instead of git. :) It >> would be >> > really easy with mercurial, too... I think just do this as root: >> > >> > $ cd /etc >> > $ hg init >> > $ hg add * >> > $ hg commit >> > >> > o yea. >> > >> >> >> quick question. Is mercurial able to keep a revision history for each >> folder as a separate entity. >> >> I put all my projects under trunk and then work on each project in >> its own folders. Few years laster if one project expends and I need >> to >> take it out of trunk and put it under its own trunk source control, >> is >> there an adventage that mercurial could give me vs svn as far as >> keeping track of it. Is it easier to seperating one folder out of the >> whole trunk? I know this is tricky with svn as you need to filter the >> dump file for revisions that are connected to a folder you want to >> export and if you don't have access to make dump file for main trunk >> ....then its virtually impossible. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Lucas From lists at durin42.com Fri Sep 19 23:23:13 2008 From: lists at durin42.com (Augie Fackler) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:23:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Teach Me at a ChiPy meeting? In-Reply-To: <276266d0809191403jae7283fn972c3b143648211a@mail.gmail.com> References: <258503618.1003111221842939349.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <468050914.1004451221843227965.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <276266d0809191403jae7283fn972c3b143648211a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sep 19, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > Pulling a branch into a separate repository is not a problem with any > of the DVCS solutions, but that is quite different from pulling out a > folder from a project out into a separate repository just for that > folder. I'm not aware of any existing solutions, but it should be > possible to put together a script that examines the commits in order, > figures out which commits touch only the files you want, creates a > series of patches that only touch that subfolder then apply all those > patches in order on to a new repository. It should be fairly straightforward using either the transplant or convert extensions to Mercurial. If you jump on #mercurial on irc.freenode.net there will probably be someone that can help. You'll have better luck in the mornings, since the author of convert is en Europe and tends to be around then. > > > > -- > Cosmin Stejerean > http://blog.offbytwo.com > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Garrett Smith > wrote: >> If it's anything like Bazaar (Mercurial, git, and Bazaar should be >> on anyone's short list for a DVCS) you should be able to move (or >> push) the branch into its own repository. >> >> I do know that this is trivial/endemic behavior with Bazaar. >> >> Some propaganda: >> >> http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrVsHg >> >> I recently researched the three tool sets and have adopted Bazaar, >> but, from what I've read, Mercurial is outstanding as well. >> >> ----- "Lukasz Szybalski" wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Atul Varma >>> wrote: >>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Martin Maney >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [ot, after noticing the randomly selected sig quote: /me wonders >>> if >>>>> Joey's using git now? I know he has a neat sounding tool to help >>> with >>>>> managing your /etc using git that I'd need to find time to play >>> with.] >>>> >>>> Hey, this can be OT if you use mercurial instead of git. :) It >>> would be >>>> really easy with mercurial, too... I think just do this as root: >>>> >>>> $ cd /etc >>>> $ hg init >>>> $ hg add * >>>> $ hg commit >>>> >>>> o yea. >>>> >>> >>> >>> quick question. Is mercurial able to keep a revision history for >>> each >>> folder as a separate entity. >>> >>> I put all my projects under trunk and then work on each project in >>> its own folders. Few years laster if one project expends and I need >>> to >>> take it out of trunk and put it under its own trunk source control, >>> is >>> there an adventage that mercurial could give me vs svn as far as >>> keeping track of it. Is it easier to seperating one folder out of >>> the >>> whole trunk? I know this is tricky with svn as you need to filter >>> the >>> dump file for revisions that are connected to a folder you want to >>> export and if you don't have access to make dump file for main trunk >>> ....then its virtually impossible. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Lucas > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From MDiPierro at cs.depaul.edu Tue Sep 23 00:18:11 2008 From: MDiPierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] T2? Message-ID: <354B9AE9-557D-493C-8EA2-608A1E5D71A9@cs.depaul.edu> Hello, I volunteer to give a talk about this if anybody is interested http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/72wd1/what_is_t2_video_rfc/ But, as usual, I cannot do Thursdays. :-( Massimo From carl at personnelware.com Tue Sep 23 01:52:37 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:52:37 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burgers Message-ID: <48D82FC5.3040609@personnelware.com> This weeks hang out: 6pm Thursday, Sep 25 Jefferson Tap 325 N Jefferson St, Chicago, IL 60661 http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&dq=jefferson+tap+loc:+Chicago,+IL&daddr=325+N+Jefferson+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661&geocode=5068642069020590215,41.887459,-87.642768&ll=41.887459,-87.642768&iwstate1=dir:to&iwloc=A&f=d if anyone wants tickets to the wineshow this weekend, I have a bunch of comped. Let me know how many you want and I'll bring them down. (just be sure to use them - I don't want them going to waste.) Carl K ps - what do we do to get the chipy-announce list and this list talking so we don't have to remember to post twice? From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Sep 24 07:32:36 2008 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:32:36 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] pyinstall Message-ID: <48D9D0F4.6050404@colorstudy.com> I just announced a new installer I've been working on: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyinstall (also the not-very-thorough docs) Announcement post: http://www.openplans.org/projects/topp-engineering/blog/2008/09/24/pyinstall-a-new-hope/ Single-file executable for you to try: https://svn.openplans.org/svn/pyinstall/trunk/pyinstall.py I think it's good, check it out y'all. -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org From jason at jrandolph.com Wed Sep 24 17:56:13 2008 From: jason at jrandolph.com (Jason Huggins) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:56:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] pyinstall In-Reply-To: <48D9D0F4.6050404@colorstudy.com> References: <48D9D0F4.6050404@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <53b9568a0809240856r5517f770v57e98a48311b6aaf@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > I just announced a new installer I've been working on: > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyinstall (also the not-very-thorough docs) Awesome work, Ian! >From your docs: "Packages don't have to be installed as egg archives, they can be installed flat (while keeping the egg metadata)." Thank goodness!!!!! That is the number one reason I'll be trying it out. I like the *theory* of eggs... but when trying to troubleshoot some breakage that goes back to some code in some egg-ified library.. the egg itself just gets in the way.. I can't grep the library (easily), can't find the line of code that's breaking (easily), can't read the code (easily). Sure, eggs are "just zip archives" and I can use tools to peek inside them... but having a tool that can install libraries "flat" like any other library is so much more "pythonic" in my view. Given the choice between easy_install vs "python setup.py install" -- I've always chosen the latter just because of the "eggs are a pain to live with" issue. Cheers, - hugs From szybalski at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 18:29:45 2008 From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:29:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] pyinstall In-Reply-To: <48D9D0F4.6050404@colorstudy.com> References: <48D9D0F4.6050404@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <804e5c70809240929n2220f308q38916fd263c70b07@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > I just announced a new installer I've been working on: > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyinstall (also the not-very-thorough docs) > > Announcement post: > http://www.openplans.org/projects/topp-engineering/blog/2008/09/24/pyinstall-a-new-hope/ > > Single-file executable for you to try: > https://svn.openplans.org/svn/pyinstall/trunk/pyinstall.py > > I think it's good, check it out y'all. >From another list... Is there any collaboration as to this announcement: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/distutils-sig/2008-September/010031.html Thanks, Lucas From pfein at pobox.com Wed Sep 24 19:08:39 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:08:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] pyinstall In-Reply-To: <804e5c70809240929n2220f308q38916fd263c70b07@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D9D0F4.6050404@colorstudy.com> <804e5c70809240929n2220f308q38916fd263c70b07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23E99118-2418-4F8A-A8CA-28B7E1C92EA9@pobox.com> On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >> From another list... > Is there any collaboration as to this announcement: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/distutils-sig/2008-September/010031.html I also started another installer; perhaps unsurprisingly I haven't done much work on it: http://lazy-install.googlecode.com Personally, I think setuptools itself is fubar, not just easy_install. From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Sep 24 19:15:51 2008 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:15:51 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] pyinstall In-Reply-To: <804e5c70809240929n2220f308q38916fd263c70b07@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D9D0F4.6050404@colorstudy.com> <804e5c70809240929n2220f308q38916fd263c70b07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DA75C7.7090208@colorstudy.com> Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: >> I just announced a new installer I've been working on: >> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyinstall (also the not-very-thorough docs) >> >> Announcement post: >> http://www.openplans.org/projects/topp-engineering/blog/2008/09/24/pyinstall-a-new-hope/ >> >> Single-file executable for you to try: >> https://svn.openplans.org/svn/pyinstall/trunk/pyinstall.py >> >> I think it's good, check it out y'all. > > >>From another list... > Is there any collaboration as to this announcement: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/distutils-sig/2008-September/010031.html Not really, just a coincidence of announcements. Maybe I'll get them to just drop easy_install though ;) -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Sep 24 19:16:43 2008 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:16:43 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] pyinstall In-Reply-To: <53b9568a0809240856r5517f770v57e98a48311b6aaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D9D0F4.6050404@colorstudy.com> <53b9568a0809240856r5517f770v57e98a48311b6aaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DA75FB.7040208@colorstudy.com> Jason Huggins wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: >> I just announced a new installer I've been working on: >> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyinstall (also the not-very-thorough docs) > > Awesome work, Ian! > >>From your docs: > "Packages don't have to be installed as egg archives, they can be > installed flat (while keeping the egg metadata)." > > Thank goodness!!!!! That is the number one reason I'll be trying it > out. I like the *theory* of eggs... but when trying to troubleshoot > some breakage that goes back to some code in some egg-ified library.. > the egg itself just gets in the way.. I can't grep the library > (easily), can't find the line of code that's breaking (easily), can't > read the code (easily). Sure, eggs are "just zip archives" and I can > use tools to peek inside them... but having a tool that can install > libraries "flat" like any other library is so much more "pythonic" in > my view. Given the choice between easy_install vs "python setup.py > install" -- I've always chosen the latter just because of the "eggs > are a pain to live with" issue. I put this: [install] zip-ok = false in my distutils.cfg file, which avoids zipped eggs (for easy_install). pyinstall just kind of does this by default. -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org From pfein at pobox.com Wed Sep 24 19:17:19 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:17:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] pyinstall In-Reply-To: <53b9568a0809240856r5517f770v57e98a48311b6aaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D9D0F4.6050404@colorstudy.com> <53b9568a0809240856r5517f770v57e98a48311b6aaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Jason Huggins wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Ian Bicking > wrote: >> I just announced a new installer I've been working on: >> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyinstall (also the not-very-thorough >> docs) > > Awesome work, Ian! > >> From your docs: > "Packages don't have to be installed as egg archives, they can be > installed flat (while keeping the egg metadata)." FYI, you can force setuptools to unzip using the --always-unzip option... right there in the --help To make that permanent, plus lots of other great tips, see my talk: "Using Setuptools: Your Head vs. The Wall" http://pfein.s3.amazonaws.com/s5-setuptools/s5-setuptools.html From tcp at mac.com Wed Sep 24 20:34:08 2008 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:34:08 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] pyinstall In-Reply-To: <23E99118-2418-4F8A-A8CA-28B7E1C92EA9@pobox.com> References: <48D9D0F4.6050404@colorstudy.com> <804e5c70809240929n2220f308q38916fd263c70b07@mail.gmail.com> <23E99118-2418-4F8A-A8CA-28B7E1C92EA9@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Pete wrote: > On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >>> From another list... >> Is there any collaboration as to this announcement: >> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/distutils-sig/2008-September/010031.html > > I also started another installer; perhaps unsurprisingly I haven't > done much work on it: > http://lazy-install.googlecode.com So, clearly, installers are the new web-frameworks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At first annoyance with easy_install, I should have spent 5 more minutes googling around to see if unzipping by default was, in fact, an option. In my ignorance, I assumed easy_install + eggs was (ahem) a packaged deal. - Jason From bray at sent.com Thu Sep 25 21:32:22 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:32:22 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue Message-ID: SkinnyCorp has offered to host on Oct. 9th. Thanks, Brian Ray From bray at sent.com Thu Sep 25 22:10:17 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:10:17 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] T2? In-Reply-To: <354B9AE9-557D-493C-8EA2-608A1E5D71A9@cs.depaul.edu> References: <354B9AE9-557D-493C-8EA2-608A1E5D71A9@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <127B99B3-9E1C-4D51-A11C-E927B1D97112@sent.com> On Sep 22, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > > I volunteer to give a talk about this if anybody is interested > > http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/72wd1/what_is_t2_video_rfc/ > > But, as usual, I cannot do Thursdays. :-( Perhaps we can film you ahead of time, and then project your face on a display mounted in the head of a robot. Brian Ray From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Thu Sep 25 22:20:18 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:20:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] T2? In-Reply-To: <127B99B3-9E1C-4D51-A11C-E927B1D97112@sent.com> References: <354B9AE9-557D-493C-8EA2-608A1E5D71A9@cs.depaul.edu> <127B99B3-9E1C-4D51-A11C-E927B1D97112@sent.com> Message-ID: <4DF03FF6-F8A3-4F93-B8A4-CED0312D2F5A@cs.depaul.edu> I am sure you can find a better face to give to a robot. Massimo On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > >> >> I volunteer to give a talk about this if anybody is interested >> >> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/72wd1/what_is_t2_video_rfc/ >> >> But, as usual, I cannot do Thursdays. :-( > > > Perhaps we can film you ahead of time, and then project your face on a > display mounted in the head of a robot. > > Brian Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From g at rrett.us.com Thu Sep 25 22:34:33 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:34:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Beer tonight Message-ID: <1269381507.1384831222374873118.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Anyone planning on Jefferson Tap tonight ? I'll be around the Map Room around that time if attendees would be interested in changing to that venue. It's not a big deal for me to get down to Jefferson though...just that the Map Room's beer options are among the best in the city :) Garrett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwebber at imagescape.com Thu Sep 25 23:02:42 2008 From: cwebber at imagescape.com (Chris Webber) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:02:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Weird. This email never hit my @dustycloud.org address. Sounds good... where's SkinnyCorp's address? And what about talks then? I'm interested in giving a talk about Miro, since I've been volunteering on it for a few months (and am working on it as part of my responsibilities at my new job). Mostly though, I don't think I've really heard much conversation about python desktop applications... most of the talks given at ChiPy are about web this, web that these days, so I'd like to frame the talk as more of an example of using python to build a cross-platform desktop app, and the components involved, blah blah blah, if people are interested. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > SkinnyCorp has offered to host on Oct. 9th. > > > Thanks, > > Brian Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From jordan at widefido.com Thu Sep 25 23:10:38 2008 From: jordan at widefido.com (Jordan Sherer) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:10:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SkinnyCorp Venue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B5BDA8A-D44C-4466-8A73-50081E85C2CF@widefido.com> I would be interested in a talk about desktop apps. I write python desktop apps for my small business and could interject some interesting things now and then. Looking forward to your talk if you get the chance :) On Sep 25, 2008, at Sep 25 4:02 PM, Chris Webber wrote: > Weird. This email never hit my @dustycloud.org address. Sounds > good... where's SkinnyCorp's address? > > And what about talks then? I'm interested in giving a talk about > Miro, since I've been volunteering on it for a few months (and am > working on it as part of my responsibilities at my new job). Mostly > though, I don't think I've really heard much conversation about python > desktop applications... most of the talks given at ChiPy are about web > this, web that these days, so I'd like to frame the talk as more of an > example of using python to build a cross-platform desktop app, and the > components involved, blah blah blah, if people are interested. > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Brian Ray wrote: >> SkinnyCorp has offered to host on Oct. 9th. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brian Ray >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From cwebber at dustycloud.org Thu Sep 25 23:15:45 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:15:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Want to work for Imaginary Landscape? In-Reply-To: <87fxo1o26y.fsf@dustycloud.org> (Christopher Allan Webber's message of "Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:31:49 -0500") References: <87fxo1o26y.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <878wtgsz9a.fsf@dustycloud.org> -- (A more formal version of the job posting I made earlier follows:) -- Small fast-growing Web development firm in Chicago is seeking an experienced Python/Django Programmer to join our development team in constructing highly usable, professional Web sites and applications. A good candidate must have: * Extensive experience programming with python * Extensive experience with SQL * Experience on the command line in a Linux (or other Unix-like) OS * Have familiarity with one or more web frameworks, such as Django Paste/Pylons, Turbogears, or Ruby on Rails. Django experience preferred. An ideal candidate will also have experience with: * Zope Page Templates and Zope (for legacy purposes). * Familiarity with web technologies (Apache, DNS, etc.) * Knowledge of Paste to maintain existing applications * Experience with unit testing Primary Responsibilities: Work with Production Dept. Team to program custom online applications, and maintain existing custom applications and product line. Company background: Founded in 1995, Imaginary Landscape is an award-winning web developer with a diverse portfolio of clients. We have built an incredible team of knowledgable, experienced and approachable professionals who develop long-term relationships with clients. We combine salary with company profit-sharing and 100% company-paid health insurance to attract and retain the very brightest who are looking to make a difference. We have deep Python-based roots. We encourage open source projects and support your involvement in the open source community, and have hosted a number of ChiPy meetings at our offices. You can respond with your cover letter and resume (as PDF, MS Word, OpenDocument, HTML or just plain text) to employment at imagescape.com Christopher Allan Webber writes: > In case you've forgotten, Imaginary Landscape is the place we've held > our last two meetings, and I'm the guy who really needed a haircut and > talked about phones at our last meeting. > > Well, I've been offered a job I can't refuse working on Miro fulltime > for the Participatory Culture Foundation. But Imaginary Landscape is > still a great place to work, and I've really enjoyed my time here. And > I will say with full honesty that my direct boss, Chris Peters, is an > awesome person to work with, and the kind of boss that most programmers > wish they had. > > We've got some interesting history here. Ian Bicking wrote Paste while > working here, and recently we've begun transitioning to Django. It's > all interesting stuff, and if working fulltime on python web development > sounds interesting to you, send an email to employment at imagescape.com > > If you have more questions, feel free to ping me on IRC (I'm the guy > with the lame username of 'paroneayea'), message me on jabber/xmpp at > paroneayea at jabber.org, or send me an email. I'll be happy to talk to > you about the job directly before you apply if you're interested. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From carl at personnelware.com Thu Sep 25 23:36:04 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:36:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Beer tonight In-Reply-To: <1269381507.1384831222374873118.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <1269381507.1384831222374873118.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <48DC0444.801@personnelware.com> Garrett Smith wrote: > Anyone planning on Jefferson Tap tonight ? I'll be around the Map Room around that time if attendees would be interested in changing to that venue. It's not a big deal for me to get down to Jefferson though...just that the Map Room's beer options are among the best in the city :) I am heading to Jeff Tap - should be there areound 6. Carl K From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Thu Sep 25 23:44:40 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:44:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Beer tonight In-Reply-To: <48DC0444.801@personnelware.com> References: <1269381507.1384831222374873118.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48DC0444.801@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <0E6EF5B9-A374-413C-BCC5-0B0C8F74AA5E@cs.depaul.edu> Carl, what about the tickets. I cannot be there until 6pm? Massimo On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > Garrett Smith wrote: >> Anyone planning on Jefferson Tap tonight ? I'll be around the Map >> Room around that time if attendees would be interested in changing >> to that venue. It's not a big deal for me to get down to Jefferson >> though...just that the Map Room's beer options are among the best >> in the city :) > > I am heading to Jeff Tap - should be there areound 6. > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From david.durham.jr at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 23:47:51 2008 From: david.durham.jr at gmail.com (David Durham, Jr.) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:47:51 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Beer tonight In-Reply-To: <0E6EF5B9-A374-413C-BCC5-0B0C8F74AA5E@cs.depaul.edu> References: <1269381507.1384831222374873118.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48DC0444.801@personnelware.com> <0E6EF5B9-A374-413C-BCC5-0B0C8F74AA5E@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > Carl, what about the tickets. I cannot be there until 6pm? I'm thinking about going to my first chipy meet up, is this welcome to newcomers? > > Massimo > > On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> Garrett Smith wrote: >>> >>> Anyone planning on Jefferson Tap tonight ? I'll be around the Map Room >>> around that time if attendees would be interested in changing to that venue. >>> It's not a big deal for me to get down to Jefferson though...just that the >>> Map Room's beer options are among the best in the city :) >> >> I am heading to Jeff Tap - should be there areound 6. >> >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From cwebber at dustycloud.org Thu Sep 25 23:52:26 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:52:26 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Beer tonight In-Reply-To: (David Durham, Jr.'s message of "Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:47:51 -0500") References: <1269381507.1384831222374873118.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48DC0444.801@personnelware.com> <0E6EF5B9-A374-413C-BCC5-0B0C8F74AA5E@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <87wsgzsxk5.fsf@dustycloud.org> Newcomers are *always* welcomed. This is a bit more like an informal burger-and-beer deal than actual talks. Be sure to come on October 9th, and the second thursday of every month, for the talks! :) > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Massimo Di Pierro > wrote: >> Carl, what about the tickets. I cannot be there until 6pm? > > I'm thinking about going to my first chipy meet up, is this welcome to > newcomers? > >> >> Massimo >> >> On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >>> Garrett Smith wrote: >>>> >>>> Anyone planning on Jefferson Tap tonight ? I'll be around the Map Room >>>> around that time if attendees would be interested in changing to that venue. >>>> It's not a big deal for me to get down to Jefferson though...just that the >>>> Map Room's beer options are among the best in the city :) >>> >>> I am heading to Jeff Tap - should be there areound 6. >>> >>> Carl K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From tcp at mac.com Thu Sep 25 23:53:59 2008 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:53:59 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] Beer tonight In-Reply-To: References: <1269381507.1384831222374873118.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48DC0444.801@personnelware.com> <0E6EF5B9-A374-413C-BCC5-0B0C8F74AA5E@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:47 PM, David Durham, Jr. wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Massimo Di Pierro > wrote: >> Carl, what about the tickets. I cannot be there until 6pm? > > I'm thinking about going to my first chipy meet up, is this welcome to > newcomers? Of course it is (even if I won't be there, I know the answer)... -t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.durham.jr at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 00:02:14 2008 From: david.durham.jr at gmail.com (David Durham, Jr.) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:02:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Beer tonight In-Reply-To: <87wsgzsxk5.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <1269381507.1384831222374873118.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48DC0444.801@personnelware.com> <0E6EF5B9-A374-413C-BCC5-0B0C8F74AA5E@cs.depaul.edu> <87wsgzsxk5.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > Newcomers are *always* welcomed. This is a bit more like an informal > burger-and-beer deal than actual talks. Be sure to come on October 9th, > and the second thursday of every month, for the talks! :) OK, great! Let me round up my shoes and whatnot, check the bus times, and try to meet you guys at 6. Thanks, Dave From shekay at pobox.com Fri Sep 26 16:11:13 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:11:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Reviewboard Message-ID: Last night at the beer meeting Cosmin and Feihong expounded on reviewboard for Garret and anyone else who hadn't played around with it. It was proposed by someone, but I cannot remember who someone was. I blame my 3/4ths beer and water drenched haze. So what I'm trying to say... I'm volunteering Cosmin and Feihong to give a demo of a code review. in recap of beer night Garret gushed that someone should study the software developer behaviors and culture that sprout around tools. (aside: I tried to point out the inverse -- I saw it while working at a bitch-slapping and smack-downing mandatory code review place. we saw home grown tools sprout up to ease the culture. some of them behaving like reviewboard. so you can see both sides trending towards a similar culture. and for sure these things are studied. tangentically, you have cognitive psychologists immersed in a lab to watch the ecology of it. so, like I was attempting to say after that, you'd probably see this as a sub discipline of human factors. or maybe industrial design. or hand waving in pub. but it is hard to interject these things into loud pub conversations so I am bringing it up here). -- sheila From david.durham.jr at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 18:41:36 2008 From: david.durham.jr at gmail.com (David Durham, Jr.) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:41:36 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Reviewboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:11 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > in recap of beer night > > Garret gushed that someone should study the software developer > behaviors and culture that sprout around tools. I think it was specifically developer behaviors and cultures associated with groups using different version control tools. For example, what are the real differences in productivity and behavior of a CVS shop vs. a SVN shop. And then I think there was some discussion about which VCS is the best. -Dave From pfein at pobox.com Fri Sep 26 18:57:19 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:57:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Reviewboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EB589B4-F847-4450-9C07-D5F656986326@pobox.com> On Sep 26, 2008, at 11:41 AM, David Durham, Jr. wrote: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:11 AM, sheila miguez > wrote: >> in recap of beer night >> >> Garret gushed that someone should study the software developer >> behaviors and culture that sprout around tools. > > I think it was specifically developer behaviors and cultures > associated with groups using different version control tools. For > example, what are the real differences in productivity and behavior of > a CVS shop vs. a SVN shop. Well, for one, with SVN you no longer need to have all-hands meetings at the start of the project to figure out what your directory structure should be. Seriously, I think the evidence is pretty clear at this point that SVN, etc. suck less than CVS. A lot less. Personally, CVS would be a red flag for me when considering a new job or the like. > And then I think there was some discussion about which VCS is the > best. Not really Python-y tho... I'd like to see a demo/talk of Review Board (which is Python). Google Code recently added code review, it's been super helpful (but won't work in-house, obviously). --Pete From mandric at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 19:24:04 2008 From: mandric at gmail.com (Milan Andric) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:24:04 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] Reviewboard In-Reply-To: <4EB589B4-F847-4450-9C07-D5F656986326@pobox.com> References: <4EB589B4-F847-4450-9C07-D5F656986326@pobox.com> Message-ID: <536089f30809261024t6400237dkbfdd20fc98e36712@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Pete wrote: > On Sep 26, 2008, at 11:41 AM, David Durham, Jr. wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:11 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >>> >>> in recap of beer night >>> >>> Garret gushed that someone should study the software developer >>> behaviors and culture that sprout around tools. >> >> I think it was specifically developer behaviors and cultures >> associated with groups using different version control tools. For >> example, what are the real differences in productivity and behavior of >> a CVS shop vs. a SVN shop. > > Well, for one, with SVN you no longer need to have all-hands meetings at the > start of the project to figure out what your directory structure should be. > > Seriously, I think the evidence is pretty clear at this point that SVN, etc. > suck less than CVS. A lot less. Personally, CVS would be a red flag for me > when considering a new job or the like. > >> And then I think there was some discussion about which VCS is the best. > > Not really Python-y tho... > > I'd like to see a demo/talk of Review Board (which is Python). Google Code > recently added code review, it's been super helpful (but won't work > in-house, obviously). > Are you guys talking about this Review Board? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPpV8icsXL4 http://www.review-board.org/ -- Milan From cstejerean at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 19:36:52 2008 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:36:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Reviewboard In-Reply-To: <536089f30809261024t6400237dkbfdd20fc98e36712@mail.gmail.com> References: <4EB589B4-F847-4450-9C07-D5F656986326@pobox.com> <536089f30809261024t6400237dkbfdd20fc98e36712@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2CD5589D-B319-4EDC-9B54-C5907AD067A5@gmail.com> On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Milan Andric wrote: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Pete wrote: >> On Sep 26, 2008, at 11:41 AM, David Durham, Jr. wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:11 AM, sheila miguez >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> in recap of beer night >>>> >>>> Garret gushed that someone should study the software developer >>>> behaviors and culture that sprout around tools. >>> >>> I think it was specifically developer behaviors and cultures >>> associated with groups using different version control tools. For >>> example, what are the real differences in productivity and >>> behavior of >>> a CVS shop vs. a SVN shop. >> >> Well, for one, with SVN you no longer need to have all-hands >> meetings at the >> start of the project to figure out what your directory structure >> should be. >> >> Seriously, I think the evidence is pretty clear at this point that >> SVN, etc. >> suck less than CVS. A lot less. Personally, CVS would be a red >> flag for me >> when considering a new job or the like. >> >>> And then I think there was some discussion about which VCS is the >>> best. >> >> Not really Python-y tho... >> >> I'd like to see a demo/talk of Review Board (which is Python). >> Google Code >> recently added code review, it's been super helpful (but won't work >> in-house, obviously). >> > > Are you guys talking about this Review Board? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPpV8icsXL4 > http://www.review-board.org/ > Yes From shekay at pobox.com Fri Sep 26 19:53:26 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:53:26 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Reviewboard In-Reply-To: <4EB589B4-F847-4450-9C07-D5F656986326@pobox.com> References: <4EB589B4-F847-4450-9C07-D5F656986326@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Pete wrote: > Seriously, I think the evidence is pretty clear at this point that SVN, etc. > suck less than CVS. A lot less. Personally, CVS would be a red flag for me > when considering a new job or the like. I use that for screening jobs. I ask about tools and process. I don't want to work for anyone who doesn't do code reviews, or have good version control, or have insane release cycles, is strict waterfall, etc. bad signs. If find out they use reviewboard (or some other tool), svn or something at least at that level (here we use accurev, at other jobs I've used clearcase and svn), then I have some minimum expectation that they have good code hygiene and other goodnesses. -- sheila From maney at two14.net Mon Sep 29 03:25:14 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:25:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] The MVC Song and other techno-folk oddities In-Reply-To: References: <2DA348AE-8E44-4A91-A274-AB132669806B@multiply.org> <17227.57373.772813.628376@montanaro.dyndns.org> <32444FD1-8575-4BAC-80C4-920A33B0CB65@multiply.org> Message-ID: <20080929012514.GB29329@furrr.two14.net> No, the plumbing hasn't backed up, just sifting through some old stuff, deleting the obsolete and updating what needs it... On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 10:58:46PM -0500, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Oct 11, 2005, at 9:53 PM, Jason Gessner wrote: > > i didn't find a video, but i did find this mp3: > > http://mikezornek.com/blog/audio/ModelViewController.mp3 > Yes! That's it! The song's got a good description, but the slides > are hysterical. Surprise, surprise, that blog is defunct, and of course that soundclip doesn't go anywhere but a 404 now. > PS That's James Dempsey singing. He's also done other songs about > Enterprise Objects and Cocoa. He's my hero. This made it easy to find a version on u2b which includes the slides, at least mostly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYvOGPMLVDo&feature=related Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91C7ax0UAAc&feature=related and... well, you can wander from there on your own. :-) -- If there is a lesson to be learnt from Adobe's eBook fiasco, it is that litigation is no substitute for well-designed software. -- The Economist From carl at personnelware.com Mon Sep 29 15:50:33 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:50:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] this weeks gather Message-ID: <48E0DD29.7010708@personnelware.com> How about Wed at Jef Tap? Carl K From cstejerean at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 17:01:33 2008 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:01:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] this weeks gather In-Reply-To: <48E0DD29.7010708@personnelware.com> References: <48E0DD29.7010708@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <2A94BE27-CC7B-467B-A16C-B4FFE77D2075@gmail.com> I'll be there. On Sep 29, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > How about Wed at Jef Tap? > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 17:14:54 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:14:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] this weeks gather In-Reply-To: <2A94BE27-CC7B-467B-A16C-B4FFE77D2075@gmail.com> References: <48E0DD29.7010708@personnelware.com> <2A94BE27-CC7B-467B-A16C-B4FFE77D2075@gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Sep 29, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> How about Wed at Jef Tap? This week I might actually be able to make this. But probably not til 7:30ish or later. From cstejerean at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 05:37:33 2008 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:37:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] this weeks gather In-Reply-To: References: <48E0DD29.7010708@personnelware.com> <2A94BE27-CC7B-467B-A16C-B4FFE77D2075@gmail.com> Message-ID: <276266d0809292037u30322532h9a2f567da69c7cc4@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Kumar McMillan wrote: >> On Sep 29, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >>> How about Wed at Jef Tap? > > This week I might actually be able to make this. But probably not til > 7:30ish or later. > That should be no problem. -- Cosmin Stejerean http://www.offbytwo.com From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 14:44:48 2008 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] this weeks gather In-Reply-To: <276266d0809292037u30322532h9a2f567da69c7cc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92356.3702.qm@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> D'oh, Wednesday's not good for me this week. --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: From: Cosmin Stejerean Subject: Re: [Chicago] this weeks gather To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 10:37 PM On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Kumar McMillan wrote: >> On Sep 29, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >>> How about Wed at Jef Tap? > > This week I might actually be able to make this. But probably not til > 7:30ish or later. > That should be no problem. -- Cosmin Stejerean http://www.offbytwo.com _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: