From bray at sent.com Mon Jun 1 23:34:04 2009 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:34:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Temporary leave as Organizer Message-ID: As I have in the past, I will need to take a temporary leave from organizing ChiPy meetings. Worry not Chipmunks, I will return August or September. I may attend, I just can not organize. So that opens the floor for an organizer for the June meeting. Any volunteers? Feel free to use the same organization method I use; although, it includes waiting to the last minute or doing nothing at all. Here is a guide http://zenhabits.net/2007/03/the-art-of-doing-nothing/ I know Sully's has offered to host. Once some steps up to the plate as organizer, and the group sees this fit (or does not complain) I will contact them off the list so that appropriate introductions to Sully's people can be made. Other venues will work also. Just do not let ChiPy die. ChiPy needs you! Regards, Brian Ray From h2 at us.ibm.com Tue Jun 2 14:01:24 2009 From: h2 at us.ibm.com (Howard Hess) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:01:24 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] AUTO: Howard Hess/Chicago/IBM is out of the office (returning 06/04/2009) Message-ID: I am out of the office until 06/04/2009. Note: This is an automated response to your message "Chicago Digest, Vol 46, Issue 1" sent on 6/2/09 6:00:02. This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joshuacronemeyer at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 23:18:58 2009 From: joshuacronemeyer at gmail.com (Josh Cronemeyer) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:18:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hot Topics in Technology Panel Debate w/ Martin Fowler. Message-ID: Sorry for the spam. I thought some of you might be interested. Whenever Martin Fowler is in town I usually try to see what he has to say. The topic seems pretty vague, but I expect to hear some interesting stuff. Plus it is a free lunch. You can RSVP here: http://connect.thoughtworks.com/hottechtopics/ Here is the summary from the website. -------------------------- ThoughtWorks technical leaders from around the world are gathering in Chicago to debate the hottest topics in our industry. We are opening up a slot in their agenda so you can join the fun and discuss the trends that we believe are shaping a new paradigm for how IT delivers value to business stakeholders and society. *Panelists will include:* *Martin Fowler* | Chief Scientist & Author * **Rebecca Parsons* * * | Chief Technology Officer * **Ian Cartwright* | Enterprise Architect *Erik Doernenburg* | Enterprise Architect * **Neal Ford* * ** *| Software Architect | Meme Wrangler * **Pramod Sadalage* | Principal Consultant & Author * **Josh Graham* | Enterprise Architect *Date & Time* *Wednesday, June 10, 2009* 11:30 AM Light Lunch & Social 12:00 PM Panel Debate 01:00 PM Q&A *Location* *ThoughtWorks | Chicago* Aon Building 200 E Randolph Street 25th Floor Chicago, IL 60601 312-373-1000 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Thu Jun 4 01:09:44 2009 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:09:44 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] 7pm tweener Message-ID: <549053140906031609nb999dd7x2ecdb938bf22c1de@mail.gmail.com> I am headed to Lincoln square land for dinner and drinks w/ Sheila and anyone who wants to join. if you want to join us, /join #chipy. -- Carl K From bray at sent.com Tue Jun 9 01:36:28 2009 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:36:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Something will happen Message-ID: <596AD25B-E536-4ACC-9453-52667BC3A552@sent.com> That is all I can say, for now. Brian Ray From carl at personnelware.com Tue Jun 9 01:37:37 2009 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:37:37 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? Message-ID: <549053140906081637p6bb17beeue256ad7100b0a35f@mail.gmail.com> OK gang, in 3 days we are having a meeting, and so it is about time to figure out who's talking. So... who is got something interesting to say? -- Carl K From bray at sent.com Tue Jun 9 01:39:21 2009 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:39:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? In-Reply-To: <549053140906081637p6bb17beeue256ad7100b0a35f@mail.gmail.com> References: <549053140906081637p6bb17beeue256ad7100b0a35f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5694E0FC-6288-4ED2-A1EA-6AC95FD79483@sent.com> We are talking about meeting at Sully's. Brian Ray From g at rrett.us.com Tue Jun 9 03:18:11 2009 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:18:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? In-Reply-To: <518440403.342241244509935740.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: ----- "Carl Karsten" wrote: > OK gang, in 3 days we are having a meeting, and so it is about time > to figure out who's talking. > > So... who is got something interesting to say? I can put something together on asynchronous vs threaded programming in Python. From cbc at unc.edu Tue Jun 9 03:03:58 2009 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:03:58 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] TriZPUG BootCamps for July 2009: Python in Toronto and Plone in Chapel Hill Message-ID: <4A2DB4FE.2040709@unc.edu> Triangle Zope and Python Users Group (TriZPUG, http://trizpug.org) extends an invitation to you to attend one of our annual, week-long, ultra-low cost BootCamps. PyCamp is the original Python BootCamp developed by a user group for user groups. This year PyCamp is July 13-17 at the University of Toronto, sponsored by the Department of Physics and Scryent. For beginners, PyCamp makes you productive so you can get your work done quickly. PyCamp emphasizes the features which make Python a simpler and more efficient language. Following along by example speeds your learning process in a modern high-tech classroom. Become a self-sufficient Python developer in just five days at PyCamp! http://pycamp.org The fifth annual Plone BootCamp takes place July 20-24 at the University of North Carolina, sponsored by Carolina Cardiovascular Biology Center. Learn the essentials you need to build your Plone site and deploy it. This course is the most popular in the Plone world--for a good reason: it teaches you practical skills in a friendly, hands-on format. Updated for Plone 3.1 and 3.2, while still offering the core skills required for all versions of Plone. http://plonebootcamps.com/courses/unc4 http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pbc5/ Come to the third annual Advanced Plone BootCamp, July 27-30 at the University of North Carolina, sponsored by the Carolina Cardiovascular Biology Center. Interestedin building a site using the best practices of Plone 3? Want to advance your skills in scripting and developing for Plone? This course covers the new technologies in Plone 3.1 and 3.2 intended for site integrators and developers: our new portlet infrastructure, viewlets, versioning, and a friendly introduction to Zope 3 component architecture. Now, updated for Plone 3.2 and 3.3 betas! http://plonebootcamps.com/courses/unc4-adv http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pbc5/ -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.secoora.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From carl at personnelware.com Tue Jun 9 04:42:29 2009 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:42:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? In-Reply-To: <-2266326539175241257@unknownmsgid> References: <518440403.342241244509935740.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <-2266326539175241257@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <549053140906081942l6862c115ga5c72182c1646218@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > ----- "Carl Karsten" wrote: > >> OK gang, ?in 3 days we are having a meeting, and so it is about time >> to figure out who's talking. >> >> So... who is got something interesting to say? > > I can put something together on asynchronous vs threaded programming in Python. You are on the books. -- Carl K From d-beazley at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 9 14:01:22 2009 From: d-beazley at sbcglobal.net (David Beazley) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 07:01:22 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If Garrett is going to talk about threads, I can give a short mind- blowing presentation about how the Python GIL actually works and why it's even worse than most people even imagine. Cheers, Dave On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:00 AM, chicago-request at python.org wrote: > Send Chicago mailing list submissions to > chicago at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > chicago-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > chicago-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Chicago digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Something will happen (Brian Ray) > 2. who's talking at ChiPy? (Carl Karsten) > 3. Re: who's talking at ChiPy? (Brian Ray) > 4. Re: who's talking at ChiPy? (Garrett Smith) > 5. TriZPUG BootCamps for July 2009: Python in Toronto and Plone > in Chapel Hill (Chris Calloway) > 6. Re: who's talking at ChiPy? (Carl Karsten) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:36:28 -0500 > From: Brian Ray > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: [Chicago] Something will happen > Message-ID: <596AD25B-E536-4ACC-9453-52667BC3A552 at sent.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > That is all I can say, for now. > > Brian Ray > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:37:37 -0500 > From: Carl Karsten > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? > Message-ID: > <549053140906081637p6bb17beeue256ad7100b0a35f at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > OK gang, in 3 days we are having a meeting, and so it is about time > to figure out who's talking. > > So... who is got something interesting to say? > > -- > Carl K > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:39:21 -0500 > From: Brian Ray > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? > Message-ID: <5694E0FC-6288-4ED2-A1EA-6AC95FD79483 at sent.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > We are talking about meeting at Sully's. > > Brian Ray > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:18:11 -0500 (CDT) > From: Garrett Smith > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? > Message-ID: g at rrett.us.com, 1990024722.342901244510291692.JavaMail.roo> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > ----- "Carl Karsten" wrote: > >> OK gang, in 3 days we are having a meeting, and so it is about time >> to figure out who's talking. >> >> So... who is got something interesting to say? > > I can put something together on asynchronous vs threaded programming > in Python. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:03:58 -0400 > From: Chris Calloway > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: [Chicago] TriZPUG BootCamps for July 2009: Python in Toronto > and Plone in Chapel Hill > Message-ID: <4A2DB4FE.2040709 at unc.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Triangle Zope and Python Users Group (TriZPUG, http://trizpug.org) > extends an invitation to you to attend one of our annual, week-long, > ultra-low cost BootCamps. > > PyCamp is the original Python BootCamp developed by a user group for > user groups. This year PyCamp is July 13-17 at the University of > Toronto, sponsored by the Department of Physics and Scryent. For > beginners, PyCamp makes you productive so you can get your work done > quickly. PyCamp emphasizes the features which make Python a simpler > and > more efficient language. Following along by example speeds your > learning > process in a modern high-tech classroom. Become a self-sufficient > Python > developer in just five days at PyCamp! > > http://pycamp.org > > The fifth annual Plone BootCamp takes place July 20-24 at the > University > of North Carolina, sponsored by Carolina Cardiovascular Biology > Center. > Learn the essentials you need to build your Plone site and deploy it. > This course is the most popular in the Plone world--for a good reason: > it teaches you practical skills in a friendly, hands-on format. > Updated > for Plone 3.1 and 3.2, while still offering the core skills required > for > all versions of Plone. > > http://plonebootcamps.com/courses/unc4 > http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pbc5/ > > Come to the third annual Advanced Plone BootCamp, July 27-30 at the > University of North Carolina, sponsored by the Carolina Cardiovascular > Biology Center. Interestedin building a site using the best > practices of > Plone 3? Want to advance your skills in scripting and developing for > Plone? This course covers the new technologies in Plone 3.1 and 3.2 > intended for site integrators and developers: our new portlet > infrastructure, viewlets, versioning, and a friendly introduction to > Zope 3 component architecture. Now, updated for Plone 3.2 and 3.3 > betas! > > http://plonebootcamps.com/courses/unc4-adv > http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pbc5/ > > -- > Sincerely, > > Chris Calloway > http://www.secoora.org > office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:42:29 -0500 > From: Carl Karsten > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? > Message-ID: > <549053140906081942l6862c115ga5c72182c1646218 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: >> ----- "Carl Karsten" wrote: >> >>> OK gang, ?in 3 days we are having a meeting, and so it is about time >>> to figure out who's talking. >>> >>> So... who is got something interesting to say? >> >> I can put something together on asynchronous vs threaded >> programming in Python. > > You are on the books. > > -- > Carl K > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > End of Chicago Digest, Vol 46, Issue 4 > ************************************** From carl at personnelware.com Tue Jun 9 16:25:47 2009 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:25:47 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <549053140906090725r468a4fdakee40ea37320bd855@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:01 AM, David Beazley wrote: > If Garrett is going to talk about threads, I can give a short mind-blowing > presentation about how the Python GIL actually works and why it's even worse > than most people even imagine. yer booked. With or without PyMite, we have a pretty full slate, so I am discouraging any more talks. -- Carl K From jbsnyder at fanplastic.org Tue Jun 9 16:59:10 2009 From: jbsnyder at fanplastic.org (James Snyder) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:59:10 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? In-Reply-To: <549053140906090725r468a4fdakee40ea37320bd855@mail.gmail.com> References: <549053140906090725r468a4fdakee40ea37320bd855@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I can do the PyMite talk, if there's still room. I can keep it on the short side, if needed. I'm quite interested in hearing about the GIL implementation, as well. -jsnyder On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:01 AM, David Beazley beazley at sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> If Garrett is going to talk about threads, I can give a short mind- >> blowing >> presentation about how the Python GIL actually works and why it's >> even worse >> than most people even imagine. > > yer booked. > > With or without PyMite, we have a pretty full slate, so I am > discouraging any more talks. > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- James Snyder Biomedical Engineering Northwestern University jbsnyder at fanplastic.org http://fanplastic.org/key.txt ph: (847) 448-0386 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:59 AM, James Snyder wrote: > I can do the PyMite talk, if there's still room. > > I can keep it on the short side, if needed. > > I'm quite interested in hearing about the GIL implementation, as well. > > -jsnyder > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:01 AM, David Beazley >> wrote: >>> >>> If Garrett is going to talk about threads, I can give a short >>> mind-blowing >>> presentation about how the Python GIL actually works and why it's even >>> worse >>> than most people even imagine. >> >> yer booked. >> >> With or without PyMite, we have a pretty full slate, so I am >> discouraging any more talks. >> >> -- >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- > James Snyder > Biomedical Engineering > Northwestern University > jbsnyder at fanplastic.org > http://fanplastic.org/key.txt > ph: (847) 448-0386 > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- Carl K From dgriff1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 18:50:11 2009 From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:50:11 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? In-Reply-To: <549053140906090939y6c513f44x91b871ff5922f02a@mail.gmail.com> References: <549053140906090725r468a4fdakee40ea37320bd855@mail.gmail.com> <-7200661302638876314@unknownmsgid> <549053140906090939y6c513f44x91b871ff5922f02a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3db160680906090950h422ce011q1516d2209bdcb120@mail.gmail.com> Next month I can give a talk about couchdb or in-depth sqlalchemy(like design patterns and how to do relations and such) if anyone is interested. Dan On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > Given you are probably more interested in hearing the GIL talk that > hearing your own talk, I'll do you a favor and shove you off to next > month (again.) I hope you aren't too crushed. > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:59 AM, James Snyder > wrote: > > I can do the PyMite talk, if there's still room. > > > > I can keep it on the short side, if needed. > > > > I'm quite interested in hearing about the GIL implementation, as well. > > > > -jsnyder > > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:01 AM, David Beazley > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> If Garrett is going to talk about threads, I can give a short > >>> mind-blowing > >>> presentation about how the Python GIL actually works and why it's even > >>> worse > >>> than most people even imagine. > >> > >> yer booked. > >> > >> With or without PyMite, we have a pretty full slate, so I am > >> discouraging any more talks. > >> > >> -- > >> Carl K > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > -- > > James Snyder > > Biomedical Engineering > > Northwestern University > > jbsnyder at fanplastic.org > > http://fanplastic.org/key.txt > > ph: (847) 448-0386 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Tue Jun 9 19:50:38 2009 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:50:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] July ChiPy Message-ID: <549053140906091050l5ec0fea3m5e7bdc48d26e8af9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote: > Next month I can give a talk about couchdb or in-depth sqlalchemy(like > design patterns and how to do relations and such) if anyone is interested. Woa... I am not sure we have a buffer big enough to handle this much advance notice :) Both sound like hits to me. my personal preference is SQL-A, but we have time for some feedback. group? -- Carl K From dgriff1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 19:57:44 2009 From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:57:44 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] July ChiPy In-Reply-To: <549053140906091050l5ec0fea3m5e7bdc48d26e8af9@mail.gmail.com> References: <549053140906091050l5ec0fea3m5e7bdc48d26e8af9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3db160680906091057sca05114j118ff37634bc92c3@mail.gmail.com> Ill remind everyone when the time comes :) On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote: > > Next month I can give a talk about couchdb or in-depth sqlalchemy(like > > design patterns and how to do relations and such) if anyone is > interested. > > Woa... I am not sure we have a buffer big enough to handle this much > advance notice :) > > Both sound like hits to me. my personal preference is SQL-A, but we > have time for some feedback. group? > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deadwisdom at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 19:59:22 2009 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:59:22 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] July ChiPy In-Reply-To: <549053140906091050l5ec0fea3m5e7bdc48d26e8af9@mail.gmail.com> References: <549053140906091050l5ec0fea3m5e7bdc48d26e8af9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <694c06d60906091059x2cc8e7c7rd25e4af2f25ed682@mail.gmail.com> More interested in CouchDB, personally. But maybe you could talk about them both framed as a compare + contrast with eachother? On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote: >> Next month I can give a talk about couchdb or in-depth sqlalchemy(like >> design patterns and how to do relations and such) if anyone is interested. > > Woa... I am not sure we have a buffer big enough to handle this much > advance notice :) > > Both sound like hits to me. ?my personal preference is SQL-A, but we > have time for some feedback. ?group? > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From goodmansond at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 21:17:38 2009 From: goodmansond at gmail.com (DeanG) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:17:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? In-Reply-To: <549053140906090939y6c513f44x91b871ff5922f02a@mail.gmail.com> References: <549053140906090725r468a4fdakee40ea37320bd855@mail.gmail.com> <-7200661302638876314@unknownmsgid> <549053140906090939y6c513f44x91b871ff5922f02a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Any chance this meeting can get recorded & posted? >> I'm quite interested in hearing about the GIL implementation, as well. From shekay at pobox.com Tue Jun 9 21:26:04 2009 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:26:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? In-Reply-To: References: <549053140906090725r468a4fdakee40ea37320bd855@mail.gmail.com> <-7200661302638876314@unknownmsgid> <549053140906090939y6c513f44x91b871ff5922f02a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: the recordings will be held hostage until 20 of you sign up to help with av at pycon atlanta. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:17 PM, DeanG wrote: > Any chance this meeting can get recorded & posted? > >>> I'm quite interested in hearing about the GIL implementation, as well. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- sheila From mtobis at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 22:07:19 2009 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:07:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] who's talking at ChiPy? In-Reply-To: References: <549053140906090725r468a4fdakee40ea37320bd855@mail.gmail.com> <-7200661302638876314@unknownmsgid> <549053140906090939y6c513f44x91b871ff5922f02a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh bother. I had better start driving. No that isn't practical... I capitulate. OK, I will run a camera in Atlanta; I do want to see Dave take on the GIL. But I don't know where I'm going to scare up another 19. mt From david.durham.jr at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 22:23:44 2009 From: david.durham.jr at gmail.com (David Durham) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:23:44 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] July ChiPy In-Reply-To: <694c06d60906091059x2cc8e7c7rd25e4af2f25ed682@mail.gmail.com> References: <549053140906091050l5ec0fea3m5e7bdc48d26e8af9@mail.gmail.com> <694c06d60906091059x2cc8e7c7rd25e4af2f25ed682@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Brantley Harris wrote: > More interested in CouchDB, personally. ?But maybe you could talk > about them both framed as a compare + contrast with eachother? +1 couch That is all. -Dave From carl at personnelware.com Wed Jun 10 05:13:03 2009 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:13:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ANN Chicago Python User Group June Meeting This Thursday Message-ID: <549053140906092013q24851cc9w68427efb005680@mail.gmail.com> Chicago Python User Group ========================= Put on your propeller hat and attend the most mind bending meeting yet! Topics: * Garrett Smith: asynchronous vs threaded programming in Python * David Beazley: mind-blowing presentation about how the Python GIL actually works and why it's even worse than most people even imagine. 7:00pm June 11, 2009 Sully's House Tap Room and Grill 1501 N Dayton Street Chicago, IL 60642 (773) 244-1234 http://www.sullyshouse.com About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: ChiPy Announcement *ONLY* Mailing List: Python website: From durin42 at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 20:13:03 2009 From: durin42 at gmail.com (Augie Fackler) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:13:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] July ChiPy In-Reply-To: <694c06d60906091059x2cc8e7c7rd25e4af2f25ed682@mail.gmail.com> References: <549053140906091050l5ec0fea3m5e7bdc48d26e8af9@mail.gmail.com> <694c06d60906091059x2cc8e7c7rd25e4af2f25ed682@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Brantley Harris wrote: > More interested in CouchDB, personally. But maybe you could talk > about them both framed as a compare + contrast with eachother? Same here, much more interested in Couch. > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Carl > Karsten wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Daniel Griffin >> wrote: >>> Next month I can give a talk about couchdb or in-depth >>> sqlalchemy(like >>> design patterns and how to do relations and such) if anyone is >>> interested. >> >> Woa... I am not sure we have a buffer big enough to handle this much >> advance notice :) >> >> Both sound like hits to me. my personal preference is SQL-A, but we >> have time for some feedback. group? >> >> -- >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From d-beazley at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 12 13:44:43 2009 From: d-beazley at sbcglobal.net (David Beazley) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:44:43 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Posted : GIL talk slides Message-ID: I have posted the slides from my GIL talk online at http://www.dabeaz.com/python/GIL.pdf Enjoy. Cheers, Dave From carl at personnelware.com Fri Jun 12 16:51:33 2009 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:51:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Posted : Video Message-ID: <549053140906120751u15b2e494r9ce1c3201a04215a@mail.gmail.com> * Garrett Smith: asynchronous vs threaded programming in Python http://blip.tv/file/2232349 * David Beazley: mind-blowing presentation about how the Python GIL actually works and why it's even worse than most people even imagine. http://blip.tv/file/2232410 http://www.dabeaz.com/python/GIL.pdf -- Carl K From fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com Mon Jun 15 01:05:53 2009 From: fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com (Craig) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] python netbean Message-ID: <814750.81283.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What does python package do and what is it use for and how do i make a module for python? Sorry but i abit new to netbeans and python.:) From g at rrett.us.com Tue Jun 16 23:35:23 2009 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:35:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Hot Topics in Technology Panel Debate w/ Martin Fowler. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Did anyone go to this? How did it go? ----- "Josh Cronemeyer" wrote: > Sorry for the spam. I thought some of you might be interested. Whenever Martin Fowler is in town I usually try to see what he has to say. The topic seems pretty vague, but I expect to hear some interesting stuff. Plus it is a free lunch. > You can RSVP here: http://connect.thoughtworks.com/hottechtopics/ > > Here is the summary from the website. > > -------------------------- > > > > ThoughtWorks technical leaders from around the world are gathering in Chicago to debate the hottest topics in our industry. We are opening up a slot in their agenda so you can join the fun and discuss the trends that we believe are shaping a new paradigm for how IT delivers value to business stakeholders and society. > Panelists will include: > Martin Fowler | Chief Scientist & Author > Rebecca Parsons | Chief Technology Officer > Ian Cartwright | Enterprise Architect > Erik Doernenburg | Enterprise Architect > Neal Ford | Software Architect | Meme Wrangler > Pramod Sadalage | Principal Consultant & Author > Josh Graham | Enterprise Architect > > Date & Time > Wednesday, June 10, 2009 > 11:30 AM Light Lunch & Social > 12:00 PM Panel Debate > 01:00 PM Q&A > Location > ThoughtWorks | Chicago > Aon Building > 200 E Randolph Street > 25th Floor > Chicago, IL 60601 > 312-373-1000 > > _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From g at rrett.us.com Wed Jun 17 01:42:41 2009 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:42:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Hot Topics in Technology Panel Debate w/ Martin Fowler. In-Reply-To: <383bbcce0906161549i45cd8f0fx368a8ebd7ad4a213@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sounds like I wanted to be there. Was this recorded by any chance? ----- "Cosmin Stejerean" wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Garrett Smith < g at rrett.us.com > wrote: > > > Did anyone go to this? How did it go? > > > I was there. I thought it went pretty well. The topics were interesting and I was definitely exposed to some new ideas and points of view. In particular I found the discussions about language workbenches and polyglot programming to be relevant to be relevant to issues that come up occasionally at work. I also liked the balanced viewpoints on cloud computing and the way it applies to enterprises. > -- > Cosmin Stejerean > http://offbytwo.com > > > _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Wed Jun 17 02:05:21 2009 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:05:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hot Topics in Technology Panel Debate w/ Martin Fowler. In-Reply-To: <-8354350766896559780@unknownmsgid> References: <383bbcce0906161549i45cd8f0fx368a8ebd7ad4a213@mail.gmail.com> <-8354350766896559780@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <549053140906161705v6c500e4fu71c9f7cb1b919374@mail.gmail.com> Yes. but not by me, so no clue what's going on. the follow up email made me believe they will announce the video the next time they announce another event. I did however chat with the thoughtworks girl who was told to video it, so if it doesn't surface, I can go do something. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > Sounds like I wanted to be there. Was this recorded by any chance? > > ----- "Cosmin Stejerean" wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: >> >> >> >> > Did anyone go to this? How did it go? >> > >> > > >> > I was there. I thought it went pretty well. The topics were interesting and > I was definitely exposed to some new ideas and points of view. In particular > I found the discussions about language workbenches and polyglot programming > to be relevant to be relevant to issues that come up occasionally at work. I > also liked the balanced viewpoints on cloud computing and the way it applies > to enterprises. >> -- >> Cosmin Stejerean >> http://offbytwo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- Carl K From verisimilidude at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 09:15:32 2009 From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:15:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hot Topics in Technology Panel Debate w/ Martin Fowler. In-Reply-To: <549053140906161705v6c500e4fu71c9f7cb1b919374@mail.gmail.com> References: <383bbcce0906161549i45cd8f0fx368a8ebd7ad4a213@mail.gmail.com> <-8354350766896559780@unknownmsgid> <549053140906161705v6c500e4fu71c9f7cb1b919374@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ad48f980906170015j3015fb8cs3e7ab3db157bccaf@mail.gmail.com> Thoughtworks sent out an email today announcing follow-up audio, but not the video recorded at the session. The relevant paragraphs are copied: === ThoughtWorks hosted an incredibly dynamic discussion last week around the IT industry's hottest new trends and topics. We caught up with two of our panelists after the event for further commentary on the topics of Language Workbenches and Polyglot Programming. Click the link below to access on-line audio streams and downloadable MP3's of our panelists' latest thinkings: Click to access this new Audio Series: http://securedresponses.com/thoughtworks/audioseries/ + Polyglot Programming | Neal Ford & Josh Graham + DSL's and Language Workbenches | Neal Ford === On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > Yes. but not by me, so no clue what's going on. the follow up email > made me believe they will announce the video the next time they > announce another event. I did however chat with the thoughtworks > girl who was told to video it, so if it doesn't surface, I can go do > something. > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > > Sounds like I wanted to be there. Was this recorded by any chance? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Wed Jun 24 16:51:34 2009 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:51:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] July 9 ChiPy Message-ID: <549053140906240751yef36265j9b5793ed85e6e6c6@mail.gmail.com> James Snyder - PyMite (this time for sure!) http://www.pythononachip.org "a significant subset of the Python language on microcontrollers without an OS." PyMite ligntning talk at PyCon09 http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/1996853/ "lets Python run in a BILLION new places." And a special guest via the intertubes: Dean Hall, the lead PyMite developer: "July 9th is open for me and I'd be interested in virtual-attending and helping out with Q&A." Exactly how that happens is to be determined. Daniel Griffin - couchdb and or sqlalchemy stuff. If you have any desire to hear about one or the other of these, chime in now before Dan nails down what he is talking about. Dan, let us know once you are done nailing. And more giveaways! Some shirts, brains, Learning Python 3rd Edition (2.25 lbs), Python coffee mug and the return of the box of CDs containing 821K Learning Python 4E Chapter 10 and 26.pdf 821K "Unicode and Binary Data, String Changes in 3.0" - you do get a nice CD sleeve that you can put something important in. (I apologize to anyone who took one of these thinking it was the whole book.) Last month people showed of how much they knew about Python, which now that I think about it is exactly the wrong way to pick who gets a "Learning Python" book. So whats a good way to give out a dozen prizes? -- Carl K From dgriff1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 17:01:48 2009 From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:01:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] July 9 ChiPy In-Reply-To: <549053140906240751yef36265j9b5793ed85e6e6c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <549053140906240751yef36265j9b5793ed85e6e6c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3db160680906240801h61ecfe27r46356ed5a25dcb6e@mail.gmail.com> Most people seemed more interested in Couch so I can do that, but I think SQLAlchemy would probably be more useful. I still leave it up to everyone else to decide. CouchDB would consist of: -what it is - how you use it -what it excels at -what it sucks at - problems with the project/why you shouldn't use this yet SQLAlchemy would consist of: - super brief intro to querying and such - dealing with sessions while using threads - how to use SQLAlchemy without wanting to die - how to set up relations - pitfalls Dan On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > James Snyder - PyMite (this time for sure!) > http://www.pythononachip.org "a significant subset of the Python > language on microcontrollers without an OS." > PyMite ligntning talk at PyCon09 http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/1996853/ > "lets Python run in a BILLION new places." > > And a special guest via the intertubes: Dean Hall, the lead PyMite > developer: "July 9th is open for me and I'd be interested in > virtual-attending and helping out with Q&A." Exactly how that > happens is to be determined. > > Daniel Griffin - couchdb and or sqlalchemy stuff. If you have any > desire to hear about one or the other of these, chime in now before > Dan nails down what he is talking about. Dan, let us know once you > are done nailing. > > And more giveaways! Some shirts, brains, Learning Python 3rd Edition > (2.25 lbs), Python coffee mug and the return of the box of CDs > containing 821K Learning Python 4E Chapter 10 and 26.pdf 821K "Unicode > and Binary Data, String Changes in 3.0" - you do get a nice CD sleeve > that you can put something important in. (I apologize to anyone who > took one of these thinking it was the whole book.) > > Last month people showed of how much they knew about Python, which now > that I think about it is exactly the wrong way to pick who gets a > "Learning Python" book. 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Massimo On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote: > Most people seemed more interested in Couch so I can do that, but I > think SQLAlchemy would probably be more useful. I still leave it up > to everyone else to decide. > CouchDB would consist of: > -what it is > - how you use it > -what it excels at > -what it sucks at > - problems with the project/why you shouldn't use this yet > > SQLAlchemy would consist of: > - super brief intro to querying and such > - dealing with sessions while using threads > - how to use SQLAlchemy without wanting to die > - how to set up relations > - pitfalls > > Dan > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Carl Karsten > wrote: > James Snyder - PyMite (this time for sure!) > http://www.pythononachip.org "a significant subset of the Python > language on microcontrollers without an OS." > PyMite ligntning talk at PyCon09 http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/1996853/ > "lets Python run in a BILLION new places." > > And a special guest via the intertubes: Dean Hall, the lead PyMite > developer: "July 9th is open for me and I'd be interested in > virtual-attending and helping out with Q&A." Exactly how that > happens is to be determined. > > Daniel Griffin - couchdb and or sqlalchemy stuff. If you have any > desire to hear about one or the other of these, chime in now before > Dan nails down what he is talking about. Dan, let us know once you > are done nailing. > > And more giveaways! Some shirts, brains, Learning Python 3rd Edition > (2.25 lbs), Python coffee mug and the return of the box of CDs > containing 821K Learning Python 4E Chapter 10 and 26.pdf 821K "Unicode > and Binary Data, String Changes in 3.0" - you do get a nice CD sleeve > that you can put something important in. (I apologize to anyone who > took one of these thinking it was the whole book.) > > Last month people showed of how much they knew about Python, which now > that I think about it is exactly the wrong way to pick who gets a > "Learning Python" book. 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URL: From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 21:58:02 2009 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:02 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] July 9 ChiPy In-Reply-To: <6E54BC0E-966B-4C05-99BB-5CA625A248A5@cs.depaul.edu> References: <549053140906240751yef36265j9b5793ed85e6e6c6@mail.gmail.com> <3db160680906240801h61ecfe27r46356ed5a25dcb6e@mail.gmail.com> <6E54BC0E-966B-4C05-99BB-5CA625A248A5@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > I am very much interested in CouchDB. +1 for CouchDB > Massimo > On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote: > > Most people seemed more interested in Couch so I can do that, but I think > SQLAlchemy would probably be more useful. I still leave it up to everyone > else to decide. > CouchDB would consist of: > -what it is > - how you use it > -what it excels at > -what it sucks at > - problems with the project/why you shouldn't use this yet > > SQLAlchemy would consist of: > - super brief intro to querying and such > - dealing with sessions while using threads > - how to use SQLAlchemy without wanting to die > - how to set up relations > - pitfalls > > Dan > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Carl Karsten > wrote: >> >> James Snyder - PyMite (this time for sure!) >> http://www.pythononachip.org "a significant subset of the Python >> language on microcontrollers without an OS." >> PyMite ligntning talk at PyCon09 http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/1996853/ >> "lets Python run in a BILLION new places." >> >> And a special guest via the intertubes: Dean Hall, the lead PyMite >> developer: ?"July 9th is open for me and I'd be interested in >> virtual-attending and helping out with Q&A." ? ?Exactly how that >> happens is to be determined. >> >> Daniel Griffin - couchdb and or sqlalchemy stuff. ? If you have any >> desire to hear about one or the other of these, chime in now before >> Dan nails down what he is talking about. ? Dan, let us know once you >> are done nailing. >> >> And more giveaways! ?Some shirts, brains, Learning Python 3rd Edition >> (2.25 lbs), Python coffee mug and the return of the box of CDs >> containing 821K Learning Python 4E Chapter 10 and 26.pdf 821K "Unicode >> and Binary Data, String Changes in 3.0" ?- you do get a nice CD sleeve >> that you can put something important in. ?(I apologize to anyone who >> took one of these thinking it was the whole book.) >> >> Last month people showed of how much they knew about Python, which now >> that I think about it is exactly the wrong way to pick who gets a >> "Learning Python" book. ?So whats a good way to give out a dozen >> prizes? >> >> -- >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From dgriff1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 22:08:56 2009 From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:08:56 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] July 9 ChiPy In-Reply-To: References: <549053140906240751yef36265j9b5793ed85e6e6c6@mail.gmail.com> <3db160680906240801h61ecfe27r46356ed5a25dcb6e@mail.gmail.com> <6E54BC0E-966B-4C05-99BB-5CA625A248A5@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <3db160680906241308i689aa3e2uebfedb3370ca39ae@mail.gmail.com> Ok I'll start working on a CouchDB presentation. I appreciate the interest, Dan On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Massimo Di > Pierro wrote: > > I am very much interested in CouchDB. > > +1 for CouchDB > > > Massimo > > On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote: > > > > Most people seemed more interested in Couch so I can do that, but I think > > SQLAlchemy would probably be more useful. I still leave it up to everyone > > else to decide. > > CouchDB would consist of: > > -what it is > > - how you use it > > -what it excels at > > -what it sucks at > > - problems with the project/why you shouldn't use this yet > > > > SQLAlchemy would consist of: > > - super brief intro to querying and such > > - dealing with sessions while using threads > > - how to use SQLAlchemy without wanting to die > > - how to set up relations > > - pitfalls > > > > Dan > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Carl Karsten > > wrote: > >> > >> James Snyder - PyMite (this time for sure!) > >> http://www.pythononachip.org "a significant subset of the Python > >> language on microcontrollers without an OS." > >> PyMite ligntning talk at PyCon09 http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/1996853/ > >> "lets Python run in a BILLION new places." > >> > >> And a special guest via the intertubes: Dean Hall, the lead PyMite > >> developer: "July 9th is open for me and I'd be interested in > >> virtual-attending and helping out with Q&A." Exactly how that > >> happens is to be determined. > >> > >> Daniel Griffin - couchdb and or sqlalchemy stuff. If you have any > >> desire to hear about one or the other of these, chime in now before > >> Dan nails down what he is talking about. Dan, let us know once you > >> are done nailing. > >> > >> And more giveaways! Some shirts, brains, Learning Python 3rd Edition > >> (2.25 lbs), Python coffee mug and the return of the box of CDs > >> containing 821K Learning Python 4E Chapter 10 and 26.pdf 821K "Unicode > >> and Binary Data, String Changes in 3.0" - you do get a nice CD sleeve > >> that you can put something important in. (I apologize to anyone who > >> took one of these thinking it was the whole book.) > >> > >> Last month people showed of how much they knew about Python, which now > >> that I think about it is exactly the wrong way to pick who gets a > >> "Learning Python" book. So whats a good way to give out a dozen > >> prizes? > >> > >> -- > >> Carl K > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g at rrett.us.com Tue Jun 30 00:29:41 2009 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:29:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] IDEs In-Reply-To: <665279545.315141246314549059.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <367101828.315221246314581661.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> I'm really hoping to start a flame war here, seriously! Just kidding. I'm actually going to post off topic here and ask if anyone here used Emacs as their primary Java development environment/IDE/editor. I know a number of Python folks who are forced by whip from the man to develop in Java. My guess is that some of them use Emacs for other stuff and just might have some insight as to how to make Emacs work well with Java. I've heard it can't be done. Garrett From kirby.urner at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 00:47:40 2009 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:47:40 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] IDEs In-Reply-To: <367101828.315221246314581661.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <665279545.315141246314549059.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <367101828.315221246314581661.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: Most Java developers whipped by the man end up in Eclipse, which has a Python plugin as well. Anecdotal evidence is that 'old skool' Python developers are way more likely to use vim than emacs, but that's just observational. WingIDE remains popular, but when you get down to it, there're literally a ton of capable text editors (OK not literally) and yeah, emacs colorizes just fine, though make sure your version knows 'yield' and 'while' are keywords (had to update mine once), plus you'll want purple or something for MVPs (non-keywords that're still really important e.g. dir, IDLE a good guide). Python 3.1rc1 (r31rc1:73069, May 31 2009, 08:57:10) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type "copyright", "credits" or "license()" for more information. >>> import keyword >>> dir(keyword) ['__all__', '__builtins__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', '__package__', 'iskeyword', 'kwlist', 'main'] >>> keyword.kwlist ['False', 'None', 'True', 'and', 'as', 'assert', 'break', 'class', 'continue', 'def', 'del', 'elif', 'else', 'except', 'finally', 'for', 'from', 'global', 'if', 'import', 'in', 'is', 'lambda', 'nonlocal', 'not', 'or', 'pass', 'raise', 'return', 'try', 'while', 'with', 'yield'] >>> >From sunny Portland, Kirby On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > I'm really hoping to start a flame war here, seriously! > > Just kidding. > > I'm actually going to post off topic here and ask if anyone here used > Emacs as their primary Java development environment/IDE/editor. > > I know a number of Python folks who are forced by whip from the man to > develop in Java. My guess is that some of them use Emacs for other stuff > and just might have some insight as to how to make Emacs work well with > Java. > > I've heard it can't be done. > > Garrett > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From g at rrett.us.com Tue Jun 30 02:32:30 2009 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:32:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Erlang meeting this Wed at Simones In-Reply-To: <1817207104.336241246321817623.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <881071483.336701246321950823.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> There's a get together this Wed of the Chicago Erlang user group. There was initially talk of having it a coffee shop, but that got healthily redirected to one of Chicago's quality bars. I'm not clear on the topics, but there's going to be a projector, so it's going to totally rock. All the details I have: Wednesday July 1 at 7:00 (people can arrive as early as 6) at Simones Neighborhood: Pilsen 960 W 18th St (between Sangamon St & Morgan St) Chicago, IL 60608 (312) 666-8601 From cosmin at offbytwo.com Tue Jun 30 18:05:35 2009 From: cosmin at offbytwo.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:05:35 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] IDEs In-Reply-To: <367101828.315221246314581661.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <665279545.315141246314549059.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <367101828.315221246314581661.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <383bbcce0906300905i3a142037hba54b2a904bb6b91@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > I'm really hoping to start a flame war here, seriously! > > Just kidding. > > I'm actually going to post off topic here and ask if anyone here used > Emacs as their primary Java development environment/IDE/editor. > > I know a number of Python folks who are forced by whip from the man to > develop in Java. My guess is that some of them use Emacs for other stuff > and just might have some insight as to how to make Emacs work well with > Java. > > I've heard it can't be done. > It can certainly be done, take a look at JDEE http://jdee.sourceforge.net/. That said, I don't generally use Emacs for Java development, even though I use Emacs for everything else. At the moment I'm using IntelliJ with Emacs key bindings (in the past I've used Eclipse). -- Cosmin Stejerean http://offbytwo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From allan2600 at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 18:20:13 2009 From: allan2600 at gmail.com (Allan Spale) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:20:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] IDEs In-Reply-To: <383bbcce0906300905i3a142037hba54b2a904bb6b91@mail.gmail.com> References: <665279545.315141246314549059.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <367101828.315221246314581661.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <383bbcce0906300905i3a142037hba54b2a904bb6b91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79acc5430906300920n50ae412bj19837dd8a8ca3d9d@mail.gmail.com> +1 for Eclipse (desktop editing) +1 for Emacs (remote editing) I would be curious to know if there is a nice open source GUI builder for Python (regardless of widget toolkit) that is not buggy. Eclipse integration would be very nice. Allan On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > >> I'm really hoping to start a flame war here, seriously! >> >> Just kidding. >> >> I'm actually going to post off topic here and ask if anyone here used >> Emacs as their primary Java development environment/IDE/editor. >> >> I know a number of Python folks who are forced by whip from the man to >> develop in Java. My guess is that some of them use Emacs for other stuff >> and just might have some insight as to how to make Emacs work well with >> Java. >> >> I've heard it can't be done. >> > > It can certainly be done, take a look at JDEE http://jdee.sourceforge.net/. > That said, I don't generally use Emacs for Java development, even though I > use Emacs for everything else. At the moment I'm using IntelliJ with Emacs > key bindings (in the past I've used Eclipse). > > -- > Cosmin Stejerean > http://offbytwo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Tue Jun 30 19:01:16 2009 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:01:16 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] IDEs GUI builder Message-ID: <549053140906301001s450c45av5b26095f13bb9739@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Allan Spale wrote: > I would be curious to know if there is a nice open source GUI builder for > Python (regardless of widget toolkit) http://dabodev.com > that is not buggy. um-practical :) but a far as stuff goes, it's pretty good, and it's written in python, so good. > Eclipse integration > would be very nice. I'v no clue about Eclipse. -- Carl K From bray at sent.com Tue Jun 30 19:30:41 2009 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:30:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] IDEs In-Reply-To: <79acc5430906300920n50ae412bj19837dd8a8ca3d9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <665279545.315141246314549059.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <367101828.315221246314581661.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <383bbcce0906300905i3a142037hba54b2a904bb6b91@mail.gmail.com> <79acc5430906300920n50ae412bj19837dd8a8ca3d9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6F56E508-C377-41A5-9D49-3BD734E205AA@sent.com> On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Allan Spale wrote: > +1 for Eclipse (desktop editing) > +1 for Emacs (remote editing) > > I would be curious to know if there is a nice open source GUI > builder for Python (regardless of widget toolkit) that is not buggy. > Eclipse integration would be very nice. I am not sure if you looked it wxPython at all. But it also has some GUI builders that generate code or uses mozilla-ish xml to dynamically build gui. I used wxWidgets for some commercial products so it really is not buggy if you know what your doing; however, it was the C++ interface. Moving to the Python wx from there made life really easy. If I would have gone straight to wxPython I think I would have gotten extremely frustrated (as many do) because the API does not really read that easily. QT is also really nice. Concerning IDE's +1 Komodo +1 VIM I also tried Netbeans Python Beta recently which did a really good job at some stuff; although, I unsure about how well the debugger works. I just did not have enough time to play around with it. Brian Ray From g at rrett.us.com Tue Jun 30 20:45:04 2009 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:45:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] IDEs In-Reply-To: <6F56E508-C377-41A5-9D49-3BD734E205AA@sent.com> Message-ID: <648880277.544551246387504153.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> ----- "Brian Ray" wrote: > On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Allan Spale wrote: > >> +1 for Eclipse (desktop editing) >> +1 for Emacs (remote editing) >> >> I would be curious to know if there is a nice open source GUI >> builder for Python (regardless of widget toolkit) that is not buggy. > >> Eclipse integration would be very nice. > > > I am not sure if you looked it wxPython at all. But it also has some > GUI builders that generate code or uses mozilla-ish xml to dynamically > build gui. I used wxWidgets for some commercial products so it really > is not buggy if you know what your doing; however, it was the C++ > interface. Moving to the Python wx from there made life really easy. > > If I would have gone straight to wxPython I think I would have gotten > extremely frustrated (as many do) because the API does not really read > that easily. QT is also really nice. > > Concerning IDE's > > +1 Komodo > +1 VIM > > I also tried Netbeans Python Beta recently which did a really good job > at some stuff; although, I unsure about how well the debugger works. > I just did not have enough time to play around with it. I do a lot of work on headless servers (no GUI), so I'm pretty much limited to either Emacs or VIM, or develop on the desktop and move JAR files around the network (pain) in to use Eclipse (which, IMO, has become an outstanding IDE over the years). I've been using VIM, but Emacs is the clear editor of choice for Erlang development, which I'm doing more of. And since Emacs has pretty deep support for everything else, I'm gonna make the switch. We'll see how the Java stuff goes. As far as Python, the basic python-mode is already an improvement over what I was using in VIM. From swgithen at mtu.edu Tue Jun 30 21:02:25 2009 From: swgithen at mtu.edu (Steven Githens) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:02:25 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] IDEs In-Reply-To: <648880277.544551246387504153.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <648880277.544551246387504153.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <4A4A6141.8060709@mtu.edu> Garrett Smith wrote: > ----- "Brian Ray" wrote: > >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Allan Spale wrote: >> >> >>> +1 for Eclipse (desktop editing) >>> +1 for Emacs (remote editing) >>> >>> I would be curious to know if there is a nice open source GUI >>> builder for Python (regardless of widget toolkit) that is not buggy. >>> >> >> >>> Eclipse integration would be very nice. >>> >> I am not sure if you looked it wxPython at all. But it also has some >> GUI builders that generate code or uses mozilla-ish xml to dynamically >> build gui. I used wxWidgets for some commercial products so it really >> is not buggy if you know what your doing; however, it was the C++ >> interface. Moving to the Python wx from there made life really easy. >> >> If I would have gone straight to wxPython I think I would have gotten >> extremely frustrated (as many do) because the API does not really read >> that easily. QT is also really nice. >> >> Concerning IDE's >> >> +1 Komodo >> +1 VIM >> >> I also tried Netbeans Python Beta recently which did a really good job >> at some stuff; although, I unsure about how well the debugger works. >> I just did not have enough time to play around with it. >> > > I do a lot of work on headless servers (no GUI), so I'm pretty much > limited to either Emacs or VIM, or develop on the desktop and move JAR > files around the network (pain) in to use Eclipse (which, IMO, has > become an outstanding IDE over the years). > > I've been using VIM, but Emacs is the clear editor of choice for Erlang > development, which I'm doing more of. And since Emacs has pretty deep > support for everything else, I'm gonna make the switch. > > We'll see how the Java stuff goes. As far as Python, the basic > python-mode is already an improvement over what I was using in VIM. > You might want to check out eclim too. It connects/integrates Vim to a headless Eclipse ( or headed, or embedded editor ) and get the same sort of Java autocomplete and refactoring stuff via regular Vim stuff (like ctrl-n ). I think it's pretty flexible, so it might be able to harness PyDev and other Eclipse plugins as well. http://eclim.sourceforge.net/ -Steve > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Tue Jun 30 21:56:22 2009 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] IDEs Message-ID: <963701.47501.qm@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> wxPython ships with a GUI building tool. It's not buggy, but I don't particularly like it. PyQt does as well, but I haven't used it. I would totally do all my desktop GUIs in PyQt if only they would release it under BSD or LGPL (like Qt itself). --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Brian Ray wrote: From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [Chicago] IDEs To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 12:30 PM On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Allan Spale wrote: > +1 for Eclipse (desktop editing) > +1 for Emacs (remote editing) > > I would be curious to know if there is a nice open source GUI builder for Python (regardless of widget toolkit) that is not buggy. Eclipse integration would be very nice. I am not sure if you looked it wxPython at all. But it also has some GUI builders that generate code or uses mozilla-ish xml to dynamically build gui. I used wxWidgets for some commercial products so it really is not buggy if you know what your doing; however, it was the C++ interface. Moving to the Python wx from there made life really easy. If I would have gone straight to wxPython I think I would have gotten extremely frustrated (as many do) because the API does not really read that easily.? QT is also really nice. Concerning IDE's +1 Komodo +1 VIM I also tried Netbeans Python Beta recently which did a really good job at some stuff; although, I unsure about how well the debugger works.? I just did not have enough time to play around with it. Brian Ray _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From special.kevin at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 23:02:48 2009 From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:02:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] BARcamp Chicago 2009 is around the corner on July 11-12th Message-ID: <97b3d1fd0906301402q63aba73amb9c77f333067b0a6@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, I just wanted to let everyone know that BARcamp Chicago 2009 will be happening in about two weeks, July 11-12th. It will be taking place at the UIC Innovation Center (1240 W. Harrison St, Chicago, IL 60607) the same great venue we had last year. We will open the doors at 10am on Saturday and keep them open until 10pm on Sunday. The event will begin on Saturday July 11th at 11am. What is BARcamp? BARcamp is an ad-hoc gathering born from the desire for people to share and learn in an open environment. It is an intense event with discussions, demos, and interaction from participants. The name BARcamp was inspired as a complement to FOOcamp, a private tech gathering run by Tim OReilly. It would be greatly appreciated for those planning on attendee if you could sign up on the Attendee List on the BARcamp Chicago Website (http://barcampchicago.com/AttendeeList). This will help us to have enough food and beverages for all attendees. As with every year, we have lots of cool talks lined up. The Chicago Androids will complete their Android 101 series with talks on intents and services, persistent storage, preferences, SQLite, location service and maps integration. Then they will put these newly acquired skills to good use during a code-sprint, concluding their journey Sunday with a session were they will cover how to publish an App in the Android Market. You can still catch up and follow the prior sessions in the series @ http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/2213225/ & http://blip.tv/file/2280779. If you have a talk you would like to give on some technology you are using or have developed or even just a topic near and dear to your heart please sign up so people can know to expect your talk. You can sign up here for Saturday (http://app.barcampchicago.com/SaturdaysAgenda) and here for Sunday (http://app.barcampchicago.com/SundaysAgenda). And as the tech content slows down Saturday night, DJ GAZEBO! will start spinning for the BarCamp Saturday Night Dance Party. Hang around for the fun and enjoy some beer donated by the Chicago LUG and Metropolitan Brewery. You can also stay updated on the planning and events of BARcamp Chicago by signing up for the BARcamp Chicago Planning List (https://www.chicagolug.org/lists/listinfo/barcampchicago-planning). You can also be a fan of BARcamp Chicago on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/BARcamp-Chicago/90993363159) or follow us on Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/barcamp_chi). 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