[Chicago] Tornado, shines good on Python?

[Kumar McMillan]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 07:30:56PM -0500, Brian Ray wrote:
>> > Any thoughts on this...
>> >
>> >     http://www.tornadoweb.org/
>> >
>> > From http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/145214 Bret Taylor,
>> > Facebook's Director of Products:
>> >
>> >     """Tornado also offers much higher performance than existing Python
>> > web frameworks. A multiple process Tornado server on a 4 core 2.4Ghz AMD
>> > Opteron system managed 8213 web requests per second, while a single
>> > threaded version managed 3353. This compares with Django at 2223
>> > requests
>> > per second, Web.py at 2066 and CherryPy at 785."""
>
> I just saw this. I think these guys are taking the wrong tone.


The best response to Twisted / Tornado camps I've seen yet:
http://teddziuba.com/2009/09/twisted-vs-tornado-youre-both.html
"You're both idiots"


>
> I was saddened to read Glyph's post in that he had to defend Twisted from
> some (apparently) less than sensitive remarks from the Tornado team.
> Unfortunate.
>
> It's easy to get into numbers wars -- I'm afraid my posts may feed more of
> this nonsense. Hopefully they wont be misconstrued to be saying that one
> server is better than another. My interest in this is simply to gain a
> better understanding of low level performance characteristics when running
> the simplest of web apps.
>
> As has been pointed out by others on the list, there are a *ton* of factors
> that one should consider when looking a web platform. Hello world benchmarks
> give you insight into only one facet of a complex system.
>
> So, just to show how crazy stats can be, here's my results, using the same
> ab test the Tornado team used:
>
> ======== ====== ======== ======= =======
> Server    Run 1    Run 2   Run 3     Avg
> ======== ====== ======== ======= =======
> Faps       6046     6335    6319    6233
> Modwsgi    3326     3381    3452    3386
> Tornado    2273     2257    2132    2221
> CherryPy   2112     2044    2048    2068
> ======== ====== ======== ======= =======
>
> Pretty different story. Who knows, it's all lies anyway, seriously. I do
> think they should tone down their claims as they can easily be
> misinterpreted if not hurtful to the outstanding projects they're comparing
> themselves with.
>
> In any case, having another well supported, excellent codebase like Tornado
> is a big win for the Python community (and WSGI!), no matter the silly
> numbers games we play.
>
>
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