[Chicago] Tornado, shines good on Python?

[Robert Spelich]

I'd love to take Tornado for a spin but the install on a Windows machine
seems to be more difficult than it should be.

Actually its not a Tornado thing. Anyone have a tip for installing pycurl
and CURL. pycurl requires the path to libcurl.lib but there is no .lib in
the CURL packages I get from the download site. I am certain I am doing
something wrong or just don't quite understand what's at play. accomplish.

Help?-Bob

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Twisted is probably the douchiest programming library out there. Every
> time I open up that code, I feel like I've wandered into a late-night bar on
> the Jersey Shore where everybody's drinking Jager-bombs, and nobody is
> wearing a shirt."
>
> Its also by far the funniest commentary about the whole thing. Who would
> have thought that a simple web server would cause such a ruckus.
>
> Dan
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 07:30:56PM -0500, Brian Ray wrote:
>> >> > Any thoughts on this...
>> >> >
>> >> >     http://www.tornadoweb.org/
>> >> >
>> >> > From http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/145214 Bret Taylor,
>> >> > Facebook's Director of Products:
>> >> >
>> >> >     """Tornado also offers much higher performance than existing
>> Python
>> >> > web frameworks. A multiple process Tornado server on a 4 core 2.4Ghz
>> AMD
>> >> > Opteron system managed 8213 web requests per second, while a single
>> >> > threaded version managed 3353. This compares with Django at 2223
>> >> > requests
>> >> > per second, Web.py at 2066 and CherryPy at 785."""
>> >
>> > I just saw this. I think these guys are taking the wrong tone.
>>
>>
>> The best response to Twisted / Tornado camps I've seen yet:
>> http://teddziuba.com/2009/09/twisted-vs-tornado-youre-both.html
>> "You're both idiots"
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I was saddened to read Glyph's post in that he had to defend Twisted
>> from
>> > some (apparently) less than sensitive remarks from the Tornado team.
>> > Unfortunate.
>> >
>> > It's easy to get into numbers wars -- I'm afraid my posts may feed more
>> of
>> > this nonsense. Hopefully they wont be misconstrued to be saying that one
>> > server is better than another. My interest in this is simply to gain a
>> > better understanding of low level performance characteristics when
>> running
>> > the simplest of web apps.
>> >
>> > As has been pointed out by others on the list, there are a *ton* of
>> factors
>> > that one should consider when looking a web platform. Hello world
>> benchmarks
>> > give you insight into only one facet of a complex system.
>> >
>> > So, just to show how crazy stats can be, here's my results, using the
>> same
>> > ab test the Tornado team used:
>> >
>> > ======== ====== ======== ======= =======
>> > Server    Run 1    Run 2   Run 3     Avg
>> > ======== ====== ======== ======= =======
>> > Faps       6046     6335    6319    6233
>> > Modwsgi    3326     3381    3452    3386
>> > Tornado    2273     2257    2132    2221
>> > CherryPy   2112     2044    2048    2068
>> > ======== ====== ======== ======= =======
>> >
>> > Pretty different story. Who knows, it's all lies anyway, seriously. I do
>> > think they should tone down their claims as they can easily be
>> > misinterpreted if not hurtful to the outstanding projects they're
>> comparing
>> > themselves with.
>> >
>> > In any case, having another well supported, excellent codebase like
>> Tornado
>> > is a big win for the Python community (and WSGI!), no matter the silly
>> > numbers games we play.
>> >
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-Bob
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