From chad at glendenin.com  Thu Apr  1 01:07:25 2010
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:07:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
Message-ID: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>

There was a brief discussion about this idea at the last ChiPy
meeting... Would anybody be interested in a separate mailing list for
people who do consulting, contracting, and other kinds of technical
freelance or entrepreneurial work? The idea is that it would be open,
so it wouldn't be a place to discuss sensitive/private things like
rates or clients, but it would be a place to talk about stuff like
which tools to use, and best practices, and things like that. Things
that independent Python developers might be interested in, but would
be off-topic for ChiPy itself. It should also be relevant beyond
Python users (freelance PHP and Rails developers come to mind). For
example, is FreshBooks or Harvest a better invoicing tool? What do you
use for accounting? How do you keep track of your income or your
business expenses?

If such a list already exists, please let me know (I didn't find
anything with a basic Google search).

Also, feel free to contact me privately, because, as I said, it's
related to Python but still mostly off-topic for ChiPy.

Thanks!
ccg

From rodguze at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 01:11:09 2010
From: rodguze at gmail.com (Rodrigo Guzman)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:11:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <j2jd7d1acd11003311611mf4a894afw8b921503c102e1e0@mail.gmail.com>

I like the idea.  I think it's main value would be in pairing clients
and freelancers, though.


On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
> There was a brief discussion about this idea at the last ChiPy
> meeting... Would anybody be interested in a separate mailing list for
> people who do consulting, contracting, and other kinds of technical
> freelance or entrepreneurial work? The idea is that it would be open,
> so it wouldn't be a place to discuss sensitive/private things like
> rates or clients, but it would be a place to talk about stuff like
> which tools to use, and best practices, and things like that. Things
> that independent Python developers might be interested in, but would
> be off-topic for ChiPy itself. It should also be relevant beyond
> Python users (freelance PHP and Rails developers come to mind). For
> example, is FreshBooks or Harvest a better invoicing tool? What do you
> use for accounting? How do you keep track of your income or your
> business expenses?
>
> If such a list already exists, please let me know (I didn't find
> anything with a basic Google search).
>
> Also, feel free to contact me privately, because, as I said, it's
> related to Python but still mostly off-topic for ChiPy.
>
> Thanks!
> ccg
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From jsudlow at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 01:48:16 2010
From: jsudlow at gmail.com (Jon Sudlow)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:48:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <j2jd7d1acd11003311611mf4a894afw8b921503c102e1e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<j2jd7d1acd11003311611mf4a894afw8b921503c102e1e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <w2reb9a21ad1003311648x8b3d3354y30b73d1e0b4a6750@mail.gmail.com>

that would be a wonderful idea. I work for consultants already. I love
working for them, especially the smaller ones and am looking for more.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Rodrigo Guzman <rodguze at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like the idea.  I think it's main value would be in pairing clients
> and freelancers, though.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com>
> wrote:
> > There was a brief discussion about this idea at the last ChiPy
> > meeting... Would anybody be interested in a separate mailing list for
> > people who do consulting, contracting, and other kinds of technical
> > freelance or entrepreneurial work? The idea is that it would be open,
> > so it wouldn't be a place to discuss sensitive/private things like
> > rates or clients, but it would be a place to talk about stuff like
> > which tools to use, and best practices, and things like that. Things
> > that independent Python developers might be interested in, but would
> > be off-topic for ChiPy itself. It should also be relevant beyond
> > Python users (freelance PHP and Rails developers come to mind). For
> > example, is FreshBooks or Harvest a better invoicing tool? What do you
> > use for accounting? How do you keep track of your income or your
> > business expenses?
> >
> > If such a list already exists, please let me know (I didn't find
> > anything with a basic Google search).
> >
> > Also, feel free to contact me privately, because, as I said, it's
> > related to Python but still mostly off-topic for ChiPy.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > ccg
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 08:08:33 2010
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 00:08:33 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Intro to Python
Message-ID: <x2l9c8415cd1003312308i81cc6d19p689af1a119cd551e@mail.gmail.com>

I am exactly that kind of user, and the Regexp's Perl V Python and How
classes are different in Python are different than OOP learned in school or
vs calsses in ruby sound like *awesome* talks.  I am the only beginning to
intermediate python user I know in this state however. I'll beg
though..........shrug?
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From tprinty at mail.edisonave.net  Thu Apr  1 14:19:42 2010
From: tprinty at mail.edisonave.net (Tom Printy)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 07:19:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
 consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1270124382.16050.87.camel@dresser>

+1

I would like to join such a list...


-Tom

On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 18:07 -0500, Chad Glendenin wrote:
> There was a brief discussion about this idea at the last ChiPy
> meeting... Would anybody be interested in a separate mailing list for
> people who do consulting, contracting, and other kinds of technical
> freelance or entrepreneurial work? The idea is that it would be open,
> so it wouldn't be a place to discuss sensitive/private things like
> rates or clients, but it would be a place to talk about stuff like
> which tools to use, and best practices, and things like that. Things
> that independent Python developers might be interested in, but would
> be off-topic for ChiPy itself. It should also be relevant beyond
> Python users (freelance PHP and Rails developers come to mind). For
> example, is FreshBooks or Harvest a better invoicing tool? What do you
> use for accounting? How do you keep track of your income or your
> business expenses?
> 
> If such a list already exists, please let me know (I didn't find
> anything with a basic Google search).
> 
> Also, feel free to contact me privately, because, as I said, it's
> related to Python but still mostly off-topic for ChiPy.
> 
> Thanks!
> ccg
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



From orblivion at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 14:51:51 2010
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 06:51:51 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <1270124382.16050.87.camel@dresser>
References: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1270124382.16050.87.camel@dresser>
Message-ID: <n2h94e10adf1004010551medb8d0c6pb142aa63a60033a7@mail.gmail.com>

I'm for it.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Tom Printy <tprinty at mail.edisonave.net>wrote:

> +1
>
> I would like to join such a list...
>
>
> -Tom
>
> On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 18:07 -0500, Chad Glendenin wrote:
> > There was a brief discussion about this idea at the last ChiPy
> > meeting... Would anybody be interested in a separate mailing list for
> > people who do consulting, contracting, and other kinds of technical
> > freelance or entrepreneurial work? The idea is that it would be open,
> > so it wouldn't be a place to discuss sensitive/private things like
> > rates or clients, but it would be a place to talk about stuff like
> > which tools to use, and best practices, and things like that. Things
> > that independent Python developers might be interested in, but would
> > be off-topic for ChiPy itself. It should also be relevant beyond
> > Python users (freelance PHP and Rails developers come to mind). For
> > example, is FreshBooks or Harvest a better invoicing tool? What do you
> > use for accounting? How do you keep track of your income or your
> > business expenses?
> >
> > If such a list already exists, please let me know (I didn't find
> > anything with a basic Google search).
> >
> > Also, feel free to contact me privately, because, as I said, it's
> > related to Python but still mostly off-topic for ChiPy.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > ccg
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From jason at panopta.com  Thu Apr  1 16:46:13 2010
From: jason at panopta.com (Jason Abate)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <1270124382.16050.87.camel@dresser>
References: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1270124382.16050.87.camel@dresser>
Message-ID: <4BB4B1B5.5050807@panopta.com>

Agreed, I think this could be very valuable.

-jason

Jason Abate
jason at panopta.com
Panopta | We see it all
http://www.panopta.com



Tom Printy wrote:
> +1
>
> I would like to join such a list...
>
>
> -Tom
>
> On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 18:07 -0500, Chad Glendenin wrote:
>   
>> There was a brief discussion about this idea at the last ChiPy
>> meeting... Would anybody be interested in a separate mailing list for
>> people who do consulting, contracting, and other kinds of technical
>> freelance or entrepreneurial work? The idea is that it would be open,
>> so it wouldn't be a place to discuss sensitive/private things like
>> rates or clients, but it would be a place to talk about stuff like
>> which tools to use, and best practices, and things like that. Things
>> that independent Python developers might be interested in, but would
>> be off-topic for ChiPy itself. It should also be relevant beyond
>> Python users (freelance PHP and Rails developers come to mind). For
>> example, is FreshBooks or Harvest a better invoicing tool? What do you
>> use for accounting? How do you keep track of your income or your
>> business expenses?
>>
>> If such a list already exists, please let me know (I didn't find
>> anything with a basic Google search).
>>
>> Also, feel free to contact me privately, because, as I said, it's
>> related to Python but still mostly off-topic for ChiPy.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> ccg
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>     
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>   

From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 17:00:59 2010
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 09:00:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <4BB4B1B5.5050807@panopta.com>
References: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1270124382.16050.87.camel@dresser> <4BB4B1B5.5050807@panopta.com>
Message-ID: <q2r549053141004010800o14f1a63ah392dbd2376db71ab@mail.gmail.com>

Should this be a python.org list, or a more language nutella list?

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Jason Abate <jason at panopta.com> wrote:
> Agreed, I think this could be very valuable.
>
> -jason
>
> Jason Abate
> jason at panopta.com
> Panopta | We see it all
> http://www.panopta.com
>
>
>
> Tom Printy wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> I would like to join such a list...
>>
>>
>> -Tom
>>
>> On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 18:07 -0500, Chad Glendenin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There was a brief discussion about this idea at the last ChiPy
>>> meeting... Would anybody be interested in a separate mailing list for
>>> people who do consulting, contracting, and other kinds of technical
>>> freelance or entrepreneurial work? The idea is that it would be open,
>>> so it wouldn't be a place to discuss sensitive/private things like
>>> rates or clients, but it would be a place to talk about stuff like
>>> which tools to use, and best practices, and things like that. Things
>>> that independent Python developers might be interested in, but would
>>> be off-topic for ChiPy itself. It should also be relevant beyond
>>> Python users (freelance PHP and Rails developers come to mind). For
>>> example, is FreshBooks or Harvest a better invoicing tool? What do you
>>> use for accounting? How do you keep track of your income or your
>>> business expenses?
>>>
>>> If such a list already exists, please let me know (I didn't find
>>> anything with a basic Google search).
>>>
>>> Also, feel free to contact me privately, because, as I said, it's
>>> related to Python but still mostly off-topic for ChiPy.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> ccg
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Carl K

From chad at glendenin.com  Thu Apr  1 17:12:49 2010
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:12:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <q2r549053141004010800o14f1a63ah392dbd2376db71ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1270124382.16050.87.camel@dresser> <4BB4B1B5.5050807@panopta.com>
	<q2r549053141004010800o14f1a63ah392dbd2376db71ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <u2o191d03ff1004010812y31f89f7dv3327b32417702924@mail.gmail.com>

I went ahead and created a Google Group for it:
http://groups.google.com/group/chicago-tech-freelancers

I was thinking of a language-agnostic group, but focused on Chicago,
so people could talk about stuff like, "hey, you should go to my
accountant, who's on Michigan Avenue." I guess I was also thinking it
would be for general questions about how to run a freelance tech
business, so it would be relevant to some Rails developers I know.

Do you think a Python-specific list makes more sense?

ccg


On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
> Should this be a python.org list, or a more language nutella list?
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Jason Abate <jason at panopta.com> wrote:
>> Agreed, I think this could be very valuable.
>>
>> -jason
>>
>> Jason Abate
>> jason at panopta.com
>> Panopta | We see it all
>> http://www.panopta.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Printy wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> I would like to join such a list...
>>>
>>>
>>> -Tom
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 18:07 -0500, Chad Glendenin wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There was a brief discussion about this idea at the last ChiPy
>>>> meeting... Would anybody be interested in a separate mailing list for
>>>> people who do consulting, contracting, and other kinds of technical
>>>> freelance or entrepreneurial work? The idea is that it would be open,
>>>> so it wouldn't be a place to discuss sensitive/private things like
>>>> rates or clients, but it would be a place to talk about stuff like
>>>> which tools to use, and best practices, and things like that. Things
>>>> that independent Python developers might be interested in, but would
>>>> be off-topic for ChiPy itself. It should also be relevant beyond
>>>> Python users (freelance PHP and Rails developers come to mind). For
>>>> example, is FreshBooks or Harvest a better invoicing tool? What do you
>>>> use for accounting? How do you keep track of your income or your
>>>> business expenses?
>>>>
>>>> If such a list already exists, please let me know (I didn't find
>>>> anything with a basic Google search).
>>>>
>>>> Also, feel free to contact me privately, because, as I said, it's
>>>> related to Python but still mostly off-topic for ChiPy.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> ccg
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From orblivion at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 17:18:46 2010
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 09:18:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <u2o191d03ff1004010812y31f89f7dv3327b32417702924@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1270124382.16050.87.camel@dresser> <4BB4B1B5.5050807@panopta.com>
	<q2r549053141004010800o14f1a63ah392dbd2376db71ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<u2o191d03ff1004010812y31f89f7dv3327b32417702924@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <g2j94e10adf1004010818ob5194a59h181016f29ad9aa3f@mail.gmail.com>

Well unless you're trying to maintain some sort of particular culture, my
vote is to advertise it to the different techie lists in town. Better get a
variety and more people.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:

> I went ahead and created a Google Group for it:
> http://groups.google.com/group/chicago-tech-freelancers
>
> I was thinking of a language-agnostic group, but focused on Chicago,
> so people could talk about stuff like, "hey, you should go to my
> accountant, who's on Michigan Avenue." I guess I was also thinking it
> would be for general questions about how to run a freelance tech
> business, so it would be relevant to some Rails developers I know.
>
> Do you think a Python-specific list makes more sense?
>
> ccg
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Should this be a python.org list, or a more language nutella list?
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Jason Abate <jason at panopta.com> wrote:
> >> Agreed, I think this could be very valuable.
> >>
> >> -jason
> >>
> >> Jason Abate
> >> jason at panopta.com
> >> Panopta | We see it all
> >> http://www.panopta.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom Printy wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>> I would like to join such a list...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Tom
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 18:07 -0500, Chad Glendenin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> There was a brief discussion about this idea at the last ChiPy
> >>>> meeting... Would anybody be interested in a separate mailing list for
> >>>> people who do consulting, contracting, and other kinds of technical
> >>>> freelance or entrepreneurial work? The idea is that it would be open,
> >>>> so it wouldn't be a place to discuss sensitive/private things like
> >>>> rates or clients, but it would be a place to talk about stuff like
> >>>> which tools to use, and best practices, and things like that. Things
> >>>> that independent Python developers might be interested in, but would
> >>>> be off-topic for ChiPy itself. It should also be relevant beyond
> >>>> Python users (freelance PHP and Rails developers come to mind). For
> >>>> example, is FreshBooks or Harvest a better invoicing tool? What do you
> >>>> use for accounting? How do you keep track of your income or your
> >>>> business expenses?
> >>>>
> >>>> If such a list already exists, please let me know (I didn't find
> >>>> anything with a basic Google search).
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, feel free to contact me privately, because, as I said, it's
> >>>> related to Python but still mostly off-topic for ChiPy.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>> ccg
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carl K
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 17:22:23 2010
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 09:22:23 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <u2o191d03ff1004010812y31f89f7dv3327b32417702924@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1270124382.16050.87.camel@dresser> <4BB4B1B5.5050807@panopta.com>
	<q2r549053141004010800o14f1a63ah392dbd2376db71ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<u2o191d03ff1004010812y31f89f7dv3327b32417702924@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <n2y549053141004010822s1bc22200hc70526ee22536605@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
> I went ahead and created a Google Group for it:
> http://groups.google.com/group/chicago-tech-freelancers
>
> I was thinking of a language-agnostic group, but focused on Chicago,
> so people could talk about stuff like, "hey, you should go to my
> accountant, who's on Michigan Avenue." I guess I was also thinking it
> would be for general questions about how to run a freelance tech
> business, so it would be relevant to some Rails developers I know.
>
> Do you think a Python-specific list makes more sense?

No.

>
> ccg
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Should this be a python.org list, or a more language nutella list?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Jason Abate <jason at panopta.com> wrote:
>>> Agreed, I think this could be very valuable.
>>>
>>> -jason
>>>
>>> Jason Abate
>>> jason at panopta.com
>>> Panopta | We see it all
>>> http://www.panopta.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Printy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> I would like to join such a list...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Tom
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 18:07 -0500, Chad Glendenin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a brief discussion about this idea at the last ChiPy
>>>>> meeting... Would anybody be interested in a separate mailing list for
>>>>> people who do consulting, contracting, and other kinds of technical
>>>>> freelance or entrepreneurial work? The idea is that it would be open,
>>>>> so it wouldn't be a place to discuss sensitive/private things like
>>>>> rates or clients, but it would be a place to talk about stuff like
>>>>> which tools to use, and best practices, and things like that. Things
>>>>> that independent Python developers might be interested in, but would
>>>>> be off-topic for ChiPy itself. It should also be relevant beyond
>>>>> Python users (freelance PHP and Rails developers come to mind). For
>>>>> example, is FreshBooks or Harvest a better invoicing tool? What do you
>>>>> use for accounting? How do you keep track of your income or your
>>>>> business expenses?
>>>>>
>>>>> If such a list already exists, please let me know (I didn't find
>>>>> anything with a basic Google search).
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, feel free to contact me privately, because, as I said, it's
>>>>> related to Python but still mostly off-topic for ChiPy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> ccg
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Carl K

From jason at panopta.com  Thu Apr  1 17:22:48 2010
From: jason at panopta.com (Jason Abate)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:22:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <u2o191d03ff1004010812y31f89f7dv3327b32417702924@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>	<1270124382.16050.87.camel@dresser>
	<4BB4B1B5.5050807@panopta.com>	<q2r549053141004010800o14f1a63ah392dbd2376db71ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<u2o191d03ff1004010812y31f89f7dv3327b32417702924@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BB4BA48.9020505@panopta.com>

Personally, I think a language-agnostic list that happens to have a 
strong Python bent would be best :-)  We do a lot of Python development 
but also occasionally need other technologies such as Flex, C/C++, etc. 
so it would be great to have one place for all of those. 

Also, the non-technical topics would quite valuable too (if you happen 
to know a good accountant experienced with tech/startup issues I'd love 
to talk to you!)

-jason

Jason Abate
jason at panopta.com
Panopta | We see it all
http://www.panopta.com



Chad Glendenin wrote:
> I went ahead and created a Google Group for it:
> http://groups.google.com/group/chicago-tech-freelancers
>
> I was thinking of a language-agnostic group, but focused on Chicago,
> so people could talk about stuff like, "hey, you should go to my
> accountant, who's on Michigan Avenue." I guess I was also thinking it
> would be for general questions about how to run a freelance tech
> business, so it would be relevant to some Rails developers I know.
>
> Do you think a Python-specific list makes more sense?
>
> ccg
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Should this be a python.org list, or a more language nutella list?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Jason Abate <jason at panopta.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Agreed, I think this could be very valuable.
>>>
>>> -jason
>>>
>>> Jason Abate
>>> jason at panopta.com
>>> Panopta | We see it all
>>> http://www.panopta.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Printy wrote:
>>>       
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> I would like to join such a list...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Tom
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 18:07 -0500, Chad Glendenin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> There was a brief discussion about this idea at the last ChiPy
>>>>> meeting... Would anybody be interested in a separate mailing list for
>>>>> people who do consulting, contracting, and other kinds of technical
>>>>> freelance or entrepreneurial work? The idea is that it would be open,
>>>>> so it wouldn't be a place to discuss sensitive/private things like
>>>>> rates or clients, but it would be a place to talk about stuff like
>>>>> which tools to use, and best practices, and things like that. Things
>>>>> that independent Python developers might be interested in, but would
>>>>> be off-topic for ChiPy itself. It should also be relevant beyond
>>>>> Python users (freelance PHP and Rails developers come to mind). For
>>>>> example, is FreshBooks or Harvest a better invoicing tool? What do you
>>>>> use for accounting? How do you keep track of your income or your
>>>>> business expenses?
>>>>>
>>>>> If such a list already exists, please let me know (I didn't find
>>>>> anything with a basic Google search).
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, feel free to contact me privately, because, as I said, it's
>>>>> related to Python but still mostly off-topic for ChiPy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> ccg
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>       
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Apr  1 18:01:10 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:01:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <g2j94e10adf1004010818ob5194a59h181016f29ad9aa3f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Dan Krol <orblivion at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well unless you're trying to maintain some sort of particular culture, my
> vote is to advertise [ http://groups.google.com/group/chicago-tech-freelancers ] to the different techie lists in town. Better get a
> variety and more people.

Heartedly agree.

Please do so. I'm not a member of a lot of techie lists, so I would
like others to make a post to them.

Culture-

I certainly appreciate the python culture, it suffers from less
machismo than I've seen elsewhere. Machismo gets old. Were you ever a
nerd? growing up to be a geek? Maybe with less of the social grace of
today's hipster. I hope you join the list, so I don't have to put up
with self congratulatory braying.

hip geeks, I don't mind you. you are cute. pat pat. but I'd like more
of my tribe around.

-- 
sheila

From aclose at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 18:45:33 2010
From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:45:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Intro to Python
In-Reply-To: <x2l9c8415cd1003312308i81cc6d19p689af1a119cd551e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2l9c8415cd1003312308i81cc6d19p689af1a119cd551e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <s2kd8be87681004010945xce3ec601i41eb642604619268@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am exactly that kind of user, and the Regexp's Perl V Python and How
> classes are different in Python are different than OOP learned in school or
> vs calsses in ruby sound like awesome talks.? I am the only beginning to
> intermediate python user I know in this state however. I'll beg
> though..........shrug?

n00b here.  i have a hard time getting to the city for regular
meetings, but would really try to make something like this.


-- 
Andrew Close

From johnstoner2 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 19:06:08 2010
From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:06:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <i2xa68ced641004010901k1a3cfb56ydad43167b36514a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
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	<q2r549053141004010800o14f1a63ah392dbd2376db71ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<u2o191d03ff1004010812y31f89f7dv3327b32417702924@mail.gmail.com>
	<g2j94e10adf1004010818ob5194a59h181016f29ad9aa3f@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <m2z74ee3f2b1004011006mf9088c8cj445de055ece9f6d7@mail.gmail.com>

I'd also be mindful of who joins. Do you want to allow recruiters in or not?
You may have to moderate the membership process.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:01 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Dan Krol <orblivion at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well unless you're trying to maintain some sort of particular culture, my
> > vote is to advertise [
> http://groups.google.com/group/chicago-tech-freelancers ] to the different
> techie lists in town. Better get a
> > variety and more people.
>
> Heartedly agree.
>
> Please do so. I'm not a member of a lot of techie lists, so I would
> like others to make a post to them.
>
> Culture-
>
> I certainly appreciate the python culture, it suffers from less
> machismo than I've seen elsewhere. Machismo gets old. Were you ever a
> nerd? growing up to be a geek? Maybe with less of the social grace of
> today's hipster. I hope you join the list, so I don't have to put up
> with self congratulatory braying.
>
> hip geeks, I don't mind you. you are cute. pat pat. but I'd like more
> of my tribe around.
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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http://boogiepants.typepad.com/
'In knowledge is power; in  wisdom, humility.'
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From chad at glendenin.com  Thu Apr  1 20:31:00 2010
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:31:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] separate mailing list for
	consultants/contractors/freelancers?
In-Reply-To: <m2z74ee3f2b1004011006mf9088c8cj445de055ece9f6d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2s191d03ff1003311607x2d2258e8p3de79d07490b9f9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1270124382.16050.87.camel@dresser> <4BB4B1B5.5050807@panopta.com>
	<q2r549053141004010800o14f1a63ah392dbd2376db71ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<u2o191d03ff1004010812y31f89f7dv3327b32417702924@mail.gmail.com>
	<g2j94e10adf1004010818ob5194a59h181016f29ad9aa3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<i2xa68ced641004010901k1a3cfb56ydad43167b36514a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2z74ee3f2b1004011006mf9088c8cj445de055ece9f6d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m2z191d03ff1004011131h5e36855btcdb80ca3285bf8c5@mail.gmail.com>

Let's wait and see if it becomes a problem. If recruiters want to post
a want-ad, maybe we could require that they make a donation to the PCF
or the FSF or something first. :-)

My feeling is that I *don't* want something that's just a market for
recruiters and web contractors (although there's value in that too...
maybe something like sortfolio.com but for coders).

Before we start promoting this thing to the other chicagoland tech
groups, is there a more open-sourcy mailing list site we should use? I
looked at Zed Shaw's librelist.com, but it looks like it's still a bit
too early for that. We want to be able to moderate messages and
membership and stuff like that in case recruiters/spammers become a
problem.

Once we've settled on the right place for the mailing list, we should
move this conversation over there, just in case we're starting to
annoy the rest of ChiPy. :-)

Thanks,
ccg


On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:06 PM, John Stoner <johnstoner2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd also be mindful of who joins. Do you want to allow recruiters in or not?
> You may have to moderate the membership process.
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:01 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Dan Krol <orblivion at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Well unless you're trying to maintain some sort of particular culture,
>> > my
>> > vote is to advertise [
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/chicago-tech-freelancers ] to the different
>> > techie lists in town. Better get a
>> > variety and more people.
>>
>> Heartedly agree.
>>
>> Please do so. I'm not a member of a lot of techie lists, so I would
>> like others to make a post to them.
>>
>> Culture-
>>
>> I certainly appreciate the python culture, it suffers from less
>> machismo than I've seen elsewhere. Machismo gets old. Were you ever a
>> nerd? growing up to be a geek? Maybe with less of the social grace of
>> today's hipster. I hope you join the list, so I don't have to put up
>> with self congratulatory braying.
>>
>> hip geeks, I don't mind you. you are cute. pat pat. but I'd like more
>> of my tribe around.
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> blogs:
> http://www.generosity.org/stoner/
> http://boogiepants.typepad.com/
> 'In knowledge is power; in ?wisdom, humility.'
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From christos.jonathan.hayward at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 20:54:41 2010
From: christos.jonathan.hayward at gmail.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:54:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [OT] Fully functional Windows 95 emulator
Message-ID: <n2yfdc31b651004011154gea01f7z7a930ff8ce10724c@mail.gmail.com>

A fully functional Windows 95 emulator that runs right in your
browser<http://JonathansCorner.com/emulator/>has been released. Plans
for a Windows 7 emulator are underway, but are
unfortunately being hindered by IE6 compatibility issues.

HAFD,
? Jonathan Hayward, christos.jonathan.hayward at gmail.com
? An Orthodox Christian author: theology, literature, et cetera.
? My award-winning collection is available for free reading online:
? I invite you to visit my main site at http://JonathansCorner.com/
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Apr  1 21:00:59 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:00:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] do ->map stuff with autobox
Message-ID: <j2r549053141004011200ma523882fn2faca1010fc7d5f2@mail.gmail.com>

With autobox... if I return a variable from a package that uses
autobox, will other stuff that doesn't use autobox, still be able to
do ->map and stuff?

-- 
Carl K

From smv260985 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 17:29:01 2010
From: smv260985 at gmail.com (Subodhini)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 08:29:01 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Intro to Python
In-Reply-To: <s2kd8be87681004010945xce3ec601i41eb642604619268@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2l9c8415cd1003312308i81cc6d19p689af1a119cd551e@mail.gmail.com>
	<s2kd8be87681004010945xce3ec601i41eb642604619268@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <t2sf6e761d71004020829t33d33f6ahddfed3775fb7759@mail.gmail.com>

Even I am interested in something like this. I would like to join you guys.

When is the next meet in Chicago?

Regards,
SUBODHINI

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Andrew Close <aclose at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I am exactly that kind of user, and the Regexp's Perl V Python and How
> > classes are different in Python are different than OOP learned in school
> or
> > vs calsses in ruby sound like awesome talks.  I am the only beginning to
> > intermediate python user I know in this state however. I'll beg
> > though..........shrug?
>
> n00b here.  i have a hard time getting to the city for regular
> meetings, but would really try to make something like this.
>
>
> --
> Andrew Close
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 17:46:19 2010
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:46:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Intro to Python
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References: <x2l9c8415cd1003312308i81cc6d19p689af1a119cd551e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Subodhini <smv260985 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Even I am interested in something like this. I would like to join you guys.

I am thinking a 2+ hour class would be better than taking over a
meeting.  It could be in the evening, on a different Thurs or
something.   I tried to do it on a Saturday, there was interest but
not enough people committed.

>
> When is the next meet in Chicago?

Next Thurs Apr 8:
http://chipy.org/FrontPage#next-meeting

>
> Regards,
> SUBODHINI
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Andrew Close <aclose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I am exactly that kind of user, and the Regexp's Perl V Python and How
>> > classes are different in Python are different than OOP learned in school
>> > or
>> > vs calsses in ruby sound like awesome talks.? I am the only beginning to
>> > intermediate python user I know in this state however. I'll beg
>> > though..........shrug?
>>
>> n00b here. ?i have a hard time getting to the city for regular
>> meetings, but would really try to make something like this.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Close
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> Subodhini Chopde
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From smv260985 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 17:50:44 2010
From: smv260985 at gmail.com (Subodhini)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 08:50:44 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Intro to Python
In-Reply-To: <m2x549053141004020846ucc5644ceka0fd120c98fd3ddd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2l9c8415cd1003312308i81cc6d19p689af1a119cd551e@mail.gmail.com>
	<s2kd8be87681004010945xce3ec601i41eb642604619268@mail.gmail.com>
	<t2sf6e761d71004020829t33d33f6ahddfed3775fb7759@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2x549053141004020846ucc5644ceka0fd120c98fd3ddd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <q2nf6e761d71004020850t2d9f7fd7w5c5ca7259380a8f6@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, Thursday would be great. How much we need to pay for it?

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Subodhini <smv260985 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Even I am interested in something like this. I would like to join you
> guys.
>
> I am thinking a 2+ hour class would be better than taking over a
> meeting.  It could be in the evening, on a different Thurs or
> something.   I tried to do it on a Saturday, there was interest but
> not enough people committed.
>
> >
> > When is the next meet in Chicago?
>
> Next Thurs Apr 8:
> http://chipy.org/FrontPage#next-meeting
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > SUBODHINI
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Andrew Close <aclose at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I am exactly that kind of user, and the Regexp's Perl V Python and How
> >> > classes are different in Python are different than OOP learned in
> school
> >> > or
> >> > vs calsses in ruby sound like awesome talks.  I am the only beginning
> to
> >> > intermediate python user I know in this state however. I'll beg
> >> > though..........shrug?
> >>
> >> n00b here.  i have a hard time getting to the city for regular
> >> meetings, but would really try to make something like this.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andrew Close
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Subodhini Chopde
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 18:58:26 2010
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:58:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Intro to Python
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I may ask for $20 to make sure people are really committed - then
spend it on food-n-drink.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Subodhini <smv260985 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, Thursday would be great. How much we need to pay for it?
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Subodhini <smv260985 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Even I am interested in something like this. I would like to join you
>> > guys.
>>
>> I am thinking a 2+ hour class would be better than taking over a
>> meeting. ?It could be in the evening, on a different Thurs or
>> something. ? I tried to do it on a Saturday, there was interest but
>> not enough people committed.
>>
>> >
>> > When is the next meet in Chicago?
>>
>> Next Thurs Apr 8:
>> http://chipy.org/FrontPage#next-meeting
>>
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > SUBODHINI
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Andrew Close <aclose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I am exactly that kind of user, and the Regexp's Perl V Python and
>> >> > How
>> >> > classes are different in Python are different than OOP learned in
>> >> > school
>> >> > or
>> >> > vs calsses in ruby sound like awesome talks.? I am the only beginning
>> >> > to
>> >> > intermediate python user I know in this state however. I'll beg
>> >> > though..........shrug?
>> >>
>> >> n00b here. ?i have a hard time getting to the city for regular
>> >> meetings, but would really try to make something like this.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Andrew Close
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Subodhini Chopde
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> Subodhini Chopde
>
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> Chicago mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



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From aclose at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 20:55:52 2010
From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:55:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Intro to Python
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
> I may ask for $20 to make sure people are really committed - then
> spend it on food-n-drink.

i wouldn't have a problem with that, even if it wasn't spent on food.
:)  hopefully i can schedule this in.

-- 
Andrew Close

From wscullin at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 21:32:06 2010
From: wscullin at gmail.com (William Scullin)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:32:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Intro to Python
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So, there's a gaggle of us who are involved in a tutorial for python
for scientific and high performance computing. Nick is skipping out
this year to concentrate on other stuff - so I may have to see about
snagging someone else who does a lot of highly scalable computation
with  python - but I think I can speak for the group when I say that
we'd be willing to do the whole sheboygan if there'd be enough
interested parties and someone can arrange a place with two
projectors, networking, and sustenance for about five hours this
Summer.

- William

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
> I may ask for $20 to make sure people are really committed - then
> spend it on food-n-drink.
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Subodhini <smv260985 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, Thursday would be great. How much we need to pay for it?
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Subodhini <smv260985 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Even I am interested in something like this. I would like to join you
>>> > guys.
>>>
>>> I am thinking a 2+ hour class would be better than taking over a
>>> meeting. ?It could be in the evening, on a different Thurs or
>>> something. ? I tried to do it on a Saturday, there was interest but
>>> not enough people committed.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > When is the next meet in Chicago?
>>>
>>> Next Thurs Apr 8:
>>> http://chipy.org/FrontPage#next-meeting
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > SUBODHINI
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Andrew Close <aclose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > I am exactly that kind of user, and the Regexp's Perl V Python and
>>> >> > How
>>> >> > classes are different in Python are different than OOP learned in
>>> >> > school
>>> >> > or
>>> >> > vs calsses in ruby sound like awesome talks.? I am the only beginning
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > intermediate python user I know in this state however. I'll beg
>>> >> > though..........shrug?
>>> >>
>>> >> n00b here. ?i have a hard time getting to the city for regular
>>> >> meetings, but would really try to make something like this.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Andrew Close
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Subodhini Chopde
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carl K
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Subodhini Chopde
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 23:52:45 2010
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 15:52:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Intro to Python
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, William Scullin <wscullin at gmail.com> wrote:
> So, there's a gaggle of us who are involved in a tutorial for python
> for scientific and high performance computing. Nick is skipping out
> this year to concentrate on other stuff - so I may have to see about
> snagging someone else who does a lot of highly scalable computation
> with ?python - but I think I can speak for the group when I say that
> we'd be willing to do the whole sheboygan if there'd be enough
> interested parties and someone can arrange a place with two
> projectors

Two?

> networking, and sustenance for about five hours this
> Summer.

How does Atlanta sound?

What would you consider a minimum head count?  10? 50?

>
> - William
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I may ask for $20 to make sure people are really committed - then
>> spend it on food-n-drink.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Subodhini <smv260985 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yeah, Thursday would be great. How much we need to pay for it?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Subodhini <smv260985 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Even I am interested in something like this. I would like to join you
>>>> > guys.
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking a 2+ hour class would be better than taking over a
>>>> meeting. ?It could be in the evening, on a different Thurs or
>>>> something. ? I tried to do it on a Saturday, there was interest but
>>>> not enough people committed.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > When is the next meet in Chicago?
>>>>
>>>> Next Thurs Apr 8:
>>>> http://chipy.org/FrontPage#next-meeting
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > SUBODHINI
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Andrew Close <aclose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > I am exactly that kind of user, and the Regexp's Perl V Python and
>>>> >> > How
>>>> >> > classes are different in Python are different than OOP learned in
>>>> >> > school
>>>> >> > or
>>>> >> > vs calsses in ruby sound like awesome talks.? I am the only beginning
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > intermediate python user I know in this state however. I'll beg
>>>> >> > though..........shrug?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> n00b here. ?i have a hard time getting to the city for regular
>>>> >> meetings, but would really try to make something like this.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Andrew Close
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Subodhini Chopde
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carl K
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Subodhini Chopde
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 02:02:29 2010
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 18:02:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] intro to python
Message-ID: <z2l9c8415cd1004021702pb831596fkf75ef08f8d37f9d8@mail.gmail.com>

 *awesome*. I would *happily* throw $20 for a 2 hr class on python.  I just
need to know far enough in advance that I can make sure I have the night off
of work.  many, many thanks.
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From wscullin at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 05:47:11 2010
From: wscullin at gmail.com (William Scullin)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 21:47:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Intro to Python
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, William Scullin <wscullin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So, there's a gaggle of us who are involved in a tutorial for python
>> for scientific and high performance computing. Nick is skipping out
>> this year to concentrate on other stuff - so I may have to see about
>> snagging someone else who does a lot of highly scalable computation
>> with ?python - but I think I can speak for the group when I say that
>> we'd be willing to do the whole sheboygan if there'd be enough
>> interested parties and someone can arrange a place with two
>> projectors
>
> Two?

One of the things Massimo saw in terms of tutorial presentation at
SC09 and we liked was the use of dual projectors - one with the slide
/ reference and the other with terminal and output windows. It made it
much easier for people to follow along, especially when it was easy to
get lost in the material.

>> networking, and sustenance for about five hours this
>> Summer.
>
> How does Atlanta sound?

Sort of a long drive for a day tutorial. I hear they have peaches...
but it's up to the SC presentation group as a whole or part.

> What would you consider a minimum head count? ?10? 50?
>

Not sure. I can handle 10-15 people one on one with hands-on stuff and
not loose track. I think maximum and minimum headcount are a function
of who all from the SC group is available and what material the
audience is interested in.

Got something in mind?

- William

From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 06:04:46 2010
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 22:04:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Intro to Python
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:47 PM, William Scullin <wscullin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, William Scullin <wscullin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So, there's a gaggle of us who are involved in a tutorial for python
>>> for scientific and high performance computing. Nick is skipping out
>>> this year to concentrate on other stuff - so I may have to see about
>>> snagging someone else who does a lot of highly scalable computation
>>> with ?python - but I think I can speak for the group when I say that
>>> we'd be willing to do the whole sheboygan if there'd be enough
>>> interested parties and someone can arrange a place with two
>>> projectors
>>
>> Two?
>
> One of the things Massimo saw in terms of tutorial presentation at
> SC09 and we liked was the use of dual projectors - one with the slide
> / reference and the other with terminal and output windows. It made it
> much easier for people to follow along, especially when it was easy to
> get lost in the material.

Interesting.  I can see that working, but it reduces the venues to pick from.

>
>>> networking, and sustenance for about five hours this
>>> Summer.
>>
>> How does Atlanta sound?
>
> Sort of a long drive for a day tutorial. I hear they have peaches...
> but it's up to the SC presentation group as a whole or part.

JK on the Atlanta thing.  unless it is going to be a 200 person event.
  PyCon is there, so we have some pull.

>
>> What would you consider a minimum head count? ?10? 50?
>>
>
> Not sure. I can handle 10-15 people one on one with hands-on stuff and
> not loose track. I think maximum and minimum headcount are a function
> of who all from the SC group is available and what material the
> audience is interested in.
>
> Got something in mind?
>

Monetary is nice :)

I will ponder.  I was expecting more than 10,

My .gov buddy and friends will be in schamburg June 13-17 - It might
be good to piggy back onto that event, like 3 hours one evening.

-- 
Carl K

From carl at personnelware.com  Sat Apr  3 18:08:33 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 10:08:33 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python April 8, 7pm at ITA
Message-ID: <s2j549053141004030908xd41b6c0dp71f069a2f793064d@mail.gmail.com>

ChiPy
=========================
Come join us for our best meeting ever!

When: 7 PM Thursday April 8, 2010
Where: ITA

Sign up: http://chipy.org/FrontPage#sign-up

Topics
------
 1. 7:00 What's coming up in 2.7 (Brian Curtin)
 2. 8:00 Pizza (Imaginary Landscape)
 3. 8:15 Twiggy: A Pythonic Logger (Peter Fein)
 4. 8:45 Book Giveaway (O'Reilly)


Details
-------

1. What's coming up in 2.7
Brian Curtin
With 2.7 likely being the end of the 2.x line, come see what's in
store for the upcoming release. Changes to unittest, introduction of
the argparse module, and a whole host of 3.1 features are here to ease
your eventual transition into the wonderful world of Python 3.


2. Pizza
Imaginary Landscape
Local Python shop wants to make sure we don't pass out from
starvation.  Return the favor by visiting http://chicagopython.com


3. Twiggy: A Pythonic Logger
Peter Fein
Twiggy is an early-stage project to build a more Pythonic logging
module. It was started at Pycon 2010.
Home: http://python-twiggy.googlecode.com
See the notes for a quick overview
http://pythontwiggy.googlecode.com/hg/notes.html


4. Book Giveaway
O'Reilly
Take notes and be ready to answer questions - correct answer gets you a book.



Location
--------
Illinois Technology Association (ITA)
200 S. Wacker Drive
15th Floor
Chicago, IL 60606

312.435.2805
http://www.illinoistech.org

Metra: exit on Adams St, walk East across the bridge, first door on the right.

Show your ID to security.  Be on the list or they will be sad.

About the group
---------------
ChiPy is made up of people of all levels of programming and Python
knowledge. At every meeting we have had both beginning programmers,
people who are just starting to use Python, as well as experienced
Python programmers. Don't be intimidated about coming to a meeting.

Note that ChiPy is not a formal organization. We collect no dues,
elect no officers, and keep no roster. Signing up for the mailing list
carries no obligation. Nor does showing up at the meetings. Nor, at
least so far, does anything else we have done, although we always
appreciate it when our presenters show up. (They usually do!)

From jmwebstuff at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  4 03:25:27 2010
From: jmwebstuff at yahoo.com (Julie Bell)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 18:25:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Intro to Python
In-Reply-To: <t2sf6e761d71004020829t33d33f6ahddfed3775fb7759@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2l9c8415cd1003312308i81cc6d19p689af1a119cd551e@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <598310.82811.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I would be interested in this too. A Beginner python class/comparison Yes, I'd pay for it. 
Although a weekend would work better for me, as I'm in the far northern suburbs.

Julie Bell





________________________________
From: Subodhini <smv260985 at gmail.com>
To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 10:29:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Chicago] Intro to Python

Even I am interested in something like this. I would like to join you guys.

When is the next meet in Chicago?

Regards,
SUBODHINI


On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Andrew Close <aclose at gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am exactly that kind of user, and the Regexp's Perl V Python and How
>>> classes are different in Python are different than OOP learned in school or
>>> vs calsses in ruby sound like awesome talks.  I am the only beginning to
>>> intermediate python user I know in this state however. I'll beg
>>> though..........shrug?
>
>n00b here.  i have a hard time getting to the city for regular
>>meetings, but would really try to make something like this.
>
>
>>--
>>Andrew Close
>>_______________________________________________
>>Chicago mailing list
>Chicago at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>


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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Apr  8 19:32:06 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:32:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Pizza tonight
Message-ID: <n2j549053141004081032k56cab86fqdcbc298d0795a94a@mail.gmail.com>

If you want pizza, be on the list by 2 today.  See chipy.org for list
pointer.
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From tprinty at mail.edisonave.net  Mon Apr 12 18:29:10 2010
From: tprinty at mail.edisonave.net (Tom Printy)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:29:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Python Position
Message-ID: <59455.129.188.33.25.1271089750.squirrel@mail.edisonave.net>

Hi guys,

Seems like an interesting Job if anyone is interested!





Jr. Level PYTHON Developer

Company:

TEKsystems, Inc.



Location:

Downers Grove, Illinois

Category:

Information Technology Jobs

Rate:

Based on experience.

Job Type:

Contract-to-Hire

Posting ID:

2060064

Posting Date:

4/9/2010


Jr. Level PYTHON Developer Job Description:


Our client has two Python Developer openings. In these two positions
they are ideally looking for someone with only 1-3 years of experience.
The most important skill sets are Python development, C programming,
multithreading, and socket programming. This person should also be
strong with software integration and open source libraries.

Someone who is strong in open source technologies will most likely
succeed in this role. Our client is looking for a generalist type of
person, rather than someone who is focused in just one specific skill
set.

This person should have a steady history of programming academically,
professionally, etc.

This is a 6 month contract to hire project with a very prestigious
organization. We are looking for someone who wants a career, not just a
project.

Please no third party submittals.




Required Skills:


*	PYTHON DEVELOPMENT
*	C PROGRAMMING
*	MULTI THREADING
*	SOCKET PROGRAMMING
*	OPEN SOURCE LIBRARIES



Contact Information:

O'Malley,Ryan Michael

Need Directions? Get office driving directions with Google Maps

romalley at teksystems.com

TEKsystems, Inc. - Chicago-Downers Grove, IL

1400 Opus Place
Suite 800
Downers Grove, IL 60515

TEL: (630) 795-3356

FAX: (630) 795-3390





Ryan O'Malley

TEKsystems

IT Applications Recruiter
1400 Opus Pl. #800, Downers Grove, IL 60515
877.686.8455  T 630.795.3356

M 773.426.8178 F 630.795.3390

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From tonkinjs at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 14 11:53:43 2010
From: tonkinjs at yahoo.com (Jonathan Tonkin)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:53:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Several items that may be of interest to group members
Message-ID: <152038.23961.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello, 

While this may not be directly related to group topics, here are several items that may be of interest to group members.

1.) (shortest first) The Chicago Chapter of the ACM is now on Facebook and Twitter.? Join our Facebook Group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=59120137059) or follow us on Twitter (username:? chicagoacm).

2.) Next ACM Meeting: April 14, 2010

A joint ACM/Loyola University Computer Science Department meeting 

Speaker: Uki Dominque Lucas

"No-Nonsense, Google Android Workshop"

Wednesday, Apr. 14, 2010, 6:30 pm
5:30 pm -6:30 pm (Social Hour)


Loyola University Water Tower Campus (Chicago/Michigan Area)
820 N. Michigan, Chicago IL 60611
Beane Ballroom (13th Floor, Lewis Towers)

This event has a wait list. ?

Details: http://www.chicagoacm.org/

Thanks,

Jonathan Tonkin 





      
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From ken at stox.org  Fri Apr 16 03:01:46 2010
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:01:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python Job Opening
Message-ID: <1271379706.14087.6.camel@stox.dyndns.org>

This was sent to me by a local recruiter today, I thought someone on the
list might be interested. The job is at Argonne National Labs.
Apparently, the job will entail development for a new cloud initiative. 

Contact the recruiter, I am not involved with this position.

=========================================================================


PYTHON Developer Job Description:
Our client has two Python Developer openings. In these two positions
they are ideally looking for someone with only 1-3 years of experience.
The most important skill sets are Python development, C programming,
multithreading, and socket programming. This person should also be
strong with software integration and open source libraries. 

Someone who is strong in open source technologies will most likely
succeed in this role. Our client is looking for a generalist type of
person, rather than someone who is focused in just one specific skill
set. 

This person should have a steady history of programming academically,
professionally, etc.

This is a 6 month contract to hire project with a very prestigious
organization. The environment is a 'wear shorts to work' place. We are
looking for someone who wants a career, not just a project. 

Please no third party submittals. 

Required Skills:
      * PYTHON DEVELOPMENT
      * C PROGRAMMING
      * MULTI THREADING
      * SOCKET PROGRAMMING
      * OPEN SOURCE LIBRARIES

Ryan O'Malley

TEKsystems

romalley at teksystems.com

IT Applications Recruiter
1400 Opus Pl. #800, Downers Grove, IL 60515
877.686.8455  T 630.795.3356 

M 773.426.8178 F 630.795.3390


From joe at germuska.com  Fri Apr 16 16:15:52 2010
From: joe at germuska.com (Joe Germuska)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:15:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Red Eye Labs
Message-ID: <9AD1B4EC-9A7E-48B4-BC71-CEBC2634FDE6@germuska.com>

I think I sent this to ChiPy before. If so, please forgive my persistence, but:

My friend Steph is coordinating a project called RedEye Labs, which is basically a team internship (for college students or recent grads) to 
	"Create a project with a practical application that serves this purpose: How can RedEye/Metromix better serve your Chicago neighborhood?"

There are about two weeks left before the application deadline.  If you are interested, apply!  or if you know anyone who might be, please pass it on...

Thanks
	Joe


> Calling all nerds, geeks, journalists, developers, artists, designers, photographers and general "idea people." We have an awesome opportunity for you to develop, design and build your very own real-life application at RedEye and Metromix.
> 
> THE CHALLENGE
> Create a project with a practical application that serves this purpose: How can RedEye/Metromix better serve your Chicago neighborhood?
> 
> WHAT IS REDEYE LABS?
> RedEye Labs is a 3-month long residency program where students and recent graduates get hands-on experience taking a project from idea to execution. Not only will students get to work closely with the RedEye/Metromix newsroom, but they will also get "class sessions" from an industry speaker in various fields. Keep in mind, this is not an internship -- you will be working mostly off-site.
> 
> TOP 5 REASONS TO APPLY: http://bit.ly/bBv8a3
> 
> FULL DETAILS/APPLICATION: http://bit.ly/9bbEgx
> 
> BLOG POST: http://bit.ly/bZCior
-- 
Joe Germuska
Joe at Germuska.com * http://blog.germuska.com * http://twitter.com/JoeGermuska    

"I felt so good I told the leader how to follow."
-- Sly Stone 

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From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Fri Apr 16 17:37:32 2010
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:37:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] http://patentabsurdity.com/ released,
	used blender + python for animations
Message-ID: <87sk6vcssj.fsf@dustycloud.org>

Hey all,

So I gave a lightning talk on Blender and Python and said that there was
some upcoming video release that I was doing animations for that's
relevant to that, but I couldn't show it until release.

Well it has been released!  And I am pretty excited with the result!

http://patentabsurdity.com/

Most of the animations in the film are pretty basic, but there's one
particular animation (the "wargames" one) which took a lot of work and
which had so much repetition that I had to build tools for myself using
python in Blender 2.5's python api to make this possible.  I'd like to
give a talk dissecting that animation at ChiPy and the tools that I
built to create it, if people are interested.

This is the talk I *wanted* to give at the lightning talk, but couldn't
because I couldn't show off the best example I have.. the files for the
animation in this film!

 - cwebb

From g at rre.tt  Sat Apr 17 03:42:43 2010
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:42:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Announcement: Erlang for non-Erlang developers this Wed
	night
Message-ID: <n2hce2570e21004161842xbcf3521ex1683bcada8d38a05@mail.gmail.com>

I have a block of time to talk about what Python developers can expect
in adopting Erlang.

Here are the details:

http://www.meetup.com/ErlangChicago/calendar/12942657/

I'm not 100% on whether there will be beer (I'll get back to anyone
who's interested), but I'll be pretty pissed off if it's a dry
meeting.

In any event, if you're interested in getting a more in depth intro to
Erlang from a Pythonista's perspective, it'd be swell to have you!

Garrett

From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 04:03:28 2010
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:03:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Announcement: Erlang for non-Erlang developers this
	Wed night
In-Reply-To: <n2hce2570e21004161842xbcf3521ex1683bcada8d38a05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <n2hce2570e21004161842xbcf3521ex1683bcada8d38a05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <s2n58a5f2221004161903s1410650cq1fff3e4184b2672c@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:

> I'm not 100% on whether there will be beer (I'll get back to anyone
> who's interested), but I'll be pretty pissed off if it's a dry
> meeting.
>
>
I'm sure Tristan will be there. Which means it would have to be a miracle if
there wasn't beer.


> Garrett
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From shekay at pobox.com  Sun Apr 18 17:31:34 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 10:31:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Algorithms, and finding biological variation
Message-ID: <k2oa68ced641004180831j3e7063fdq5b4a90dd8a9d70d1@mail.gmail.com>

I'm catching up on blogs. I bet Clyde would like this post

Algorithms, and finding biological variation
http://ivory.idyll.org/blog/apr-10/algorithms-and-variation



-- 
sheila

From clydeforrester at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 02:31:55 2010
From: clydeforrester at gmail.com (Clyde Forrester)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 19:31:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Algorithms, and finding biological variation
In-Reply-To: <k2oa68ced641004180831j3e7063fdq5b4a90dd8a9d70d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <k2oa68ced641004180831j3e7063fdq5b4a90dd8a9d70d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BCBA47B.1070503@gmail.com>

Excellent! Thanks.

c4

sheila miguez wrote:
> I'm catching up on blogs. I bet Clyde would like this post
> 
> Algorithms, and finding biological variation
> http://ivory.idyll.org/blog/apr-10/algorithms-and-variation
> 
> 
> 


From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Apr 19 17:21:20 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:21:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] secure cheese
Message-ID: <j2g549053141004190821q1e623c02vfa760df919647fe3@mail.gmail.com>

Someone was talking about the difference between cpan and cheeseshop.
Python website group is talking about securing the python downloads,
both http://python.org/download/ and
http://pypi.python.org .  Who was talking, and do you feel like
joining the discussion?

-- 
Carl K

From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Apr 19 18:49:35 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:49:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] April meeting elevator debacle
Message-ID: <n2w549053141004190949laaa50449xbc4cad393ea74f6f@mail.gmail.com>

I wined about needing to be escorted to the meeting, and got:

"I talked to security, and that should not have happened.  They are
going to make sure the staff knows that guests have permission to come
up to the 15th floor during the evening hours."

yay.

-- 
Carl K

From pfein at pobox.com  Mon Apr 19 19:13:23 2010
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:13:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] secure cheese
In-Reply-To: <j2g549053141004190821q1e623c02vfa760df919647fe3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <j2g549053141004190821q1e623c02vfa760df919647fe3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <936A47F5-6C94-48AC-9709-B00BBACBD402@pobox.com>

On Apr 19, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> Someone was talking about the difference between cpan and cheeseshop.
> Python website group is talking about securing the python downloads,
> both http://python.org/download/ and
> http://pypi.python.org .  Who was talking,

Mmm, i think i whined about this on irc a few weeks ago...

> and do you feel like joining the discussion?

Not really. ;-)

From david290 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 10:01:59 2010
From: david290 at gmail.com (David Zhang)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:01:59 +0800
Subject: [Chicago] An open source AI research project
Message-ID: <j2w587457861004170101j384bf1e9g8fdb0b72ad76e88b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

I have started an open source project to develop human-level
Artificial Intelligence, using Python and Java as programming
language, OpenCog and OpenWonderland as basement. If you are
interested in this,or want to know more, please feel free to give me a
reply.

Thanks!

David Zhang

From thomas at apestaart.org  Tue Apr 20 18:39:45 2010
From: thomas at apestaart.org (Thomas Vander Stichele)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:39:45 +0200
Subject: [Chicago] imaplib and gmail... the inbox count is wrong! Wrong,
 I tell ya!
In-Reply-To: <53b9568a0902201643x4cfbb552r2cdc62c32daa3375@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1271781585.3529.33.camel@level.fluendo.lan>

Hi Jason,

I found a mail of yours:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2009-February/005636.html

To answer your question, the gmail web interface counts threads while
IMAP counts mails.  gmail doesn't seem to support the THREAD imap
extension that imaplib does support.

I'm running into the same problem now, and I'd like to be able to count
threads in a folder instead of just mails.

Did you end up finding a solution to this problem ?

Thanks
Thomas


-- 
Anything for a lover 
anything for a friend
I only wanna see you happy 
--
savon - Saving your work to svn
https://apestaart.org/thomas/trac/



From bray at sent.com  Fri Apr 23 15:35:01 2010
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:35:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python <-> Facebook
Message-ID: <6D4738F1-5367-4EF1-B46F-00DAB7FE130F@sent.com>

I heard there is an increasing number of integrations esp with "like"  
features on some Python driven (AFAIK Django) sites. One would think  
this makes it easier to choose Python for web-related platforms where  
features use open API's versus custom widgets to add functionality. I  
guess I am trying to point to the fact that if they (Facebook and  
likes) make it easy, and Python is already easy, someone may prefer to  
build what is needed versus using something that already has a widget  
of sorts (drupal !?). Anybody have some stories/opinions they would  
like to share?

Oh by the way, we still have a facebook group page: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/ 
group.php?gid=19101049906

Brian Ray
htttp://www.facebook.com/brianray34



From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Apr 25 01:36:41 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:36:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] May 13 meeting topics, pizza toppings and drink topology
Message-ID: <l2z549053141004241636zc5138584q7bd4db1d97ce9104@mail.gmail.com>

Who wants to talk?

What do you want on your pizza?

What do you want to drink?

-- 
Carl K

From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 01:43:38 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] May 13 meeting topics,
	pizza toppings and drink 	topology
In-Reply-To: <l2z549053141004241636zc5138584q7bd4db1d97ce9104@mail.gmail.com>
References: <l2z549053141004241636zc5138584q7bd4db1d97ce9104@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <o2v4ef15ddc1004241643ib9844da4g881a42059f47b2e3@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> *Who wants to talk?*
> Well with my one vote I did get more votes than some people but I am such a
> horrible presenter that I would love to defer to after finals.
> * What do you want on your pizza?*
> Pepperoni
> * What do you want to drink?*
> *Water, but you already have that.*
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
_________________________________
Thank You,
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 03:31:55 2010
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:31:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] May 13 meeting topics,
	pizza toppings and drink 	topology
In-Reply-To: <l2z549053141004241636zc5138584q7bd4db1d97ce9104@mail.gmail.com>
References: <l2z549053141004241636zc5138584q7bd4db1d97ce9104@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <i2ycf9f31f21004241831g1671c9ebm243ecf5c98eaca1e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 18:36, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> Who wants to talk?
>
> What do you want on your pizza?
>
> What do you want to drink?
>
> --
> Carl K


I know I presented last time, but I have a little idea for a smallish
presentation, maybe 15 minutes. Something quick, right to the point, just
going bang, bang, bang right through the steps...

http://jessenoller.com/2010/04/22/why-arent-you-contributing-to-python/covers
an interesting topic (to me), and I think it would be cool to show an
example of how to contribute a fix to Python. My idea is to go from
start-to-finish finding a bug in Python, checking out the source, fixing the
bug, making a patch, signing up on the tracker, then submitting the patch. A
documentation fix would probably be easiest/quickest, but I could look
around the bug tracker and keep a really small standard library bug in my
back pocket so we can fix some actual code.

Being a semi-newbie to the group and not knowing many people's level of
exposure, I don't know if this is above, below, or just right for the
audience. I know each meeting has a few brand new users, and we also have
people who have contributed to CPython, PyPy, and Unladen Swallow...but I
don't know the average meeting attendee.

Anyone interested? Am I breaking any ChiPy laws by presenting in
back-to-back meetings?

Brian

p.s. I like sausage pizza and beer.
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From smv260985 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 19:30:15 2010
From: smv260985 at gmail.com (Subodhini)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:30:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] An open source AI research project
In-Reply-To: <j2w587457861004170101j384bf1e9g8fdb0b72ad76e88b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <j2w587457861004170101j384bf1e9g8fdb0b72ad76e88b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <q2uf6e761d71004221030p8dff0a61z690b28025b5abb42@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

I am interested in this project. Could you please write in detail about this
project.

I would highly appreciate it.


Regards,
Subodhini
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 3:01 AM, David Zhang <david290 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I have started an open source project to develop human-level
> Artificial Intelligence, using Python and Java as programming
> language, OpenCog and OpenWonderland as basement. If you are
> interested in this,or want to know more, please feel free to give me a
> reply.
>
> Thanks!
>
> David Zhang
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From maney at two14.net  Sat Apr 24 06:49:56 2010
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:49:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] No, really, tell me what you think about this code
Message-ID: <20100424044956.GB5806@furrr.two14.net>


http://www.two14.net/~maney/key_value.py

I'm sure it can be improved - right now I'm just happy it's passing the
simple-minded test cases.

Thanks!

-- 
There is overwhelming evidence that the higher the level of self-esteem,
the more likely one will be to treat others with respect, kindness, and
generosity. -- Nathaniel Branden


From brianherman at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 00:37:21 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] No, really, tell me what you think about this code
In-Reply-To: <20100424044956.GB5806@furrr.two14.net>
References: <20100424044956.GB5806@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <i2t4ef15ddc1004251537kfe94459cxb37480dfd8bfce52@mail.gmail.com>

+1

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:

>
> http://www.two14.net/~maney/key_value.py<http://www.two14.net/%7Emaney/key_value.py>
>
> I'm sure it can be improved - right now I'm just happy it's passing the
> simple-minded test cases.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> There is overwhelming evidence that the higher the level of self-esteem,
> the more likely one will be to treat others with respect, kindness, and
> generosity. -- Nathaniel Branden
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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Thank You,
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 01:03:56 2010
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:03:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] May 13 meeting
Message-ID: <g2o9c8415cd1004251603s807758ft602f9f018ce55010@mail.gmail.com>

I would love a start-to-finish bug fix presentation.  I actually read that
article elsewhere and promptly went to the issue listing at
python.org....and promptly moved it a few notches back in the queue.  I have
never submitted a patch, let alone for a project as large and complex as
Python, and had coincidentally set aside time to start the process of
learning how today.  So I cannot emphasize enough how much I would value a
serious presentation and followup discussion on this.
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Apr 26 22:44:56 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:44:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] gsoc will make everyone love pip
Message-ID: <x2ia68ced641004261344h94da0c8em4a2565718cf56488@mail.gmail.com>

Google summer of code just got twitted by someone.

http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/show/google/gsoc2010/python/t127230763208

Closest project to us is in Indianapolis,

Student Name:	 Hugo Lopes Tavares
Mentor Name:	 Carl Meyer
Title:	 Making everything love and talk to pip
Abstract:	 The goal is to make pip less error-prone, work well in
python2.x and python3.x, make the tests more internet-independent, run
platform independently, add needed features by developers, write more
documentation and make people love it and see that easy_install's age
has gone

-- 
sheila

From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 23:00:30 2010
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:00:30 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] gsoc will make everyone love pip
In-Reply-To: <x2ia68ced641004261344h94da0c8em4a2565718cf56488@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2ia68ced641004261344h94da0c8em4a2565718cf56488@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m2oae6584d31004261400h57c6152dmf7415a9713f63d2d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> Google summer of code just got twitted by someone.
>
> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/show/google/gsoc2010/python/t127230763208
>
> Closest project to us is in Indianapolis,
>
> Student Name: ? ?Hugo Lopes Tavares
> Mentor Name: ? ? Carl Meyer
> Title: ? Making everything love and talk to pip
> Abstract: ? ? ? ?The goal is to make pip less error-prone, work well in
> python2.x and python3.x, make the tests more internet-independent, run
> platform independently, add needed features by developers, write more
> documentation and make people love it and see that easy_install's age
> has gone
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

Hey now!  You ignored the Django projects!  I'm one of the students
for Django and I'm in Chicago (when I'm not at school).

Alex

-- 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it." -- Voltaire
"The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
"Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
want" -- Me

From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Apr 26 23:17:50 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:17:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] gsoc will make everyone love pip
In-Reply-To: <m2oae6584d31004261400h57c6152dmf7415a9713f63d2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2ia68ced641004261344h94da0c8em4a2565718cf56488@mail.gmail.com> 
	<m2oae6584d31004261400h57c6152dmf7415a9713f63d2d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r2za68ced641004261417zcc1fa20anee0444bd620b3dff@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>> Google summer of code just got twitted by someone.
>>
>> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/show/google/gsoc2010/python/t127230763208
>>
>> Closest project to us is in Indianapolis,
[...]

>
> Hey now! ?You ignored the Django projects! ?I'm one of the students
> for Django and I'm in Chicago (when I'm not at school).
>
> Alex

what deviltry is this!

psf posted http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/python

Why don't you show up in the python list?

http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/show/google/gsoc2010/django/t127230757969

I guess there may be other python projects lurking in there

-- 
sheila

From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 23:22:25 2010
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:22:25 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] gsoc will make everyone love pip
In-Reply-To: <r2za68ced641004261417zcc1fa20anee0444bd620b3dff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2ia68ced641004261344h94da0c8em4a2565718cf56488@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2oae6584d31004261400h57c6152dmf7415a9713f63d2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<r2za68ced641004261417zcc1fa20anee0444bd620b3dff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <n2lae6584d31004261422j9f57765fp7787500afa4cecf0@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:17 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>> Google summer of code just got twitted by someone.
>>>
>>> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/show/google/gsoc2010/python/t127230763208
>>>
>>> Closest project to us is in Indianapolis,
> [...]
>
>>
>> Hey now! ?You ignored the Django projects! ?I'm one of the students
>> for Django and I'm in Chicago (when I'm not at school).
>>
>> Alex
>
> what deviltry is this!
>
> psf posted http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/python
>
> Why don't you show up in the python list?
>
> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/show/google/gsoc2010/django/t127230757969
>
> I guess there may be other python projects lurking in there
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

I don't show up under the PSF because Django applies as it's own
organization, not as part of the PSF.

ALex

-- 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it." -- Voltaire
"The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
"Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
want" -- Me

From m-rich at northwestern.edu  Tue Apr 27 17:54:48 2010
From: m-rich at northwestern.edu (Matthew Rich)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:54:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Job opening at NU (Evanston campus)
Message-ID: <w2z9426bdfd1004270854gf41c2e76se2a3f84d49c6bc3d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Python People,

I'm a django developer and sometime linux and mac admin at the School of
Education and Social Policy <http://www.sesp.northwestern.edu/> at
Northwestern University (and I may have met some of you at the ChiPy
meetings I've attended over the last few months, although I've been a little
shy).

We have an opening for a "Senior Systems
Analyst/Programmer<http://jobs.37signals.com/jobs/6675>"
at a center affiliated with my school, and we're a small, tight IT staff so
this is a person I'll be working with closely and I'd LOVE to have a python
person in this job. If you click through to the job description you'll see
that Python isn't specifically mentioned, as there's an existing Filemaker &
PHP infrastructure which will need to be maintained in the short/medium
term. So but we're looking for a candidate to move us to a more sane, better
architected system and although we're not tied to any particular technology,
I just happen to have fallen in love with Python and I'm hoping to find
another person who can build web (and possibly desktop?) apps using it.

I'm planning to attend the May 13th meeting if anybody wants to talk to me
about the position then, and/or please follow up with me directly if you're
interested. Thanks!

Cheers,
Matthew

-- 
Matthew Rich
Senior Web Application Developer
Northwestern University
School of Education and Social Policy
Annenberg Hall, Room 249
+1 847 467 2819
m-rich at northwestern.edu
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From smv260985 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 18:05:08 2010
From: smv260985 at gmail.com (Subodhini)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:05:08 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] May 13 meeting topics,
	pizza toppings and drink 	topology
In-Reply-To: <i2ycf9f31f21004241831g1671c9ebm243ecf5c98eaca1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <l2z549053141004241636zc5138584q7bd4db1d97ce9104@mail.gmail.com>
	<i2ycf9f31f21004241831g1671c9ebm243ecf5c98eaca1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <k2jf6e761d71004270905q826fcfftfec3fc9d643035c8@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,
Veggie pizza would be great :)

regards,
subodhini

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 18:36, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:
>
>> Who wants to talk?
>>
>> What do you want on your pizza?
>>
>> What do you want to drink?
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>
>
> I know I presented last time, but I have a little idea for a smallish
> presentation, maybe 15 minutes. Something quick, right to the point, just
> going bang, bang, bang right through the steps...
>
> http://jessenoller.com/2010/04/22/why-arent-you-contributing-to-python/covers an interesting topic (to me), and I think it would be cool to show an
> example of how to contribute a fix to Python. My idea is to go from
> start-to-finish finding a bug in Python, checking out the source, fixing the
> bug, making a patch, signing up on the tracker, then submitting the patch. A
> documentation fix would probably be easiest/quickest, but I could look
> around the bug tracker and keep a really small standard library bug in my
> back pocket so we can fix some actual code.
>
> Being a semi-newbie to the group and not knowing many people's level of
> exposure, I don't know if this is above, below, or just right for the
> audience. I know each meeting has a few brand new users, and we also have
> people who have contributed to CPython, PyPy, and Unladen Swallow...but I
> don't know the average meeting attendee.
>
> Anyone interested? Am I breaking any ChiPy laws by presenting in
> back-to-back meetings?
>
> Brian
>
> p.s. I like sausage pizza and beer.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
Subodhini Chopde
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From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Apr 27 18:27:58 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:27:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] gsoc will make everyone love pip
In-Reply-To: <n2lae6584d31004261422j9f57765fp7787500afa4cecf0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2ia68ced641004261344h94da0c8em4a2565718cf56488@mail.gmail.com> 
	<m2oae6584d31004261400h57c6152dmf7415a9713f63d2d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<r2za68ced641004261417zcc1fa20anee0444bd620b3dff@mail.gmail.com> 
	<n2lae6584d31004261422j9f57765fp7787500afa4cecf0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <n2oa68ced641004270927ifa2408f9l46ef8dd6986af56e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:17 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

[why didn't it show up in the psf section?]


> I don't show up under the PSF because Django applies as it's own
> organization, not as part of the PSF.

aha.

I don't know if everyone else in chipy would like the topic, but I'd
like to hear about gsoc projects related to python (like yours) and
was disappointed when I thought there was no one in Chicago
participating, and thought maybe if people were interested we could
invite the guy in Indianapolis.

your thoughts? everyone else's thoughts?




-- 
sheila

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 18:33:24 2010
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:33:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] gsoc will make everyone love pip
In-Reply-To: <n2oa68ced641004270927ifa2408f9l46ef8dd6986af56e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2ia68ced641004261344h94da0c8em4a2565718cf56488@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2oae6584d31004261400h57c6152dmf7415a9713f63d2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<r2za68ced641004261417zcc1fa20anee0444bd620b3dff@mail.gmail.com>
	<n2lae6584d31004261422j9f57765fp7787500afa4cecf0@mail.gmail.com>
	<n2oa68ced641004270927ifa2408f9l46ef8dd6986af56e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <q2p3db160681004270933ze659a583tcb2c30893ad6c58d@mail.gmail.com>

With pip can you finally uninstall packages?

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:27 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:17 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> [why didn't it show up in the psf section?]
>
>
> > I don't show up under the PSF because Django applies as it's own
> > organization, not as part of the PSF.
>
> aha.
>
> I don't know if everyone else in chipy would like the topic, but I'd
> like to hear about gsoc projects related to python (like yours) and
> was disappointed when I thought there was no one in Chicago
> participating, and thought maybe if people were interested we could
> invite the guy in Indianapolis.
>
> your thoughts? everyone else's thoughts?
>
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 18:47:45 2010
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:47:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] May 13 meeting topics,
	pizza toppings and drink 	topology
In-Reply-To: <k2jf6e761d71004270905q826fcfftfec3fc9d643035c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <l2z549053141004241636zc5138584q7bd4db1d97ce9104@mail.gmail.com>
	<i2ycf9f31f21004241831g1671c9ebm243ecf5c98eaca1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<k2jf6e761d71004270905q826fcfftfec3fc9d643035c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <y2t549053141004270947gb79ac427vbcb53b23b7203b72@mail.gmail.com>

We had that last month, but it was hard to figure out what was what.
I'll ask for better labels.  like "please write VEG on the box."

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Subodhini <smv260985 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Guys,
> Veggie pizza would be great :)
>
> regards,
> subodhini
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 18:36, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Who wants to talk?
>>>
>>> What do you want on your pizza?
>>>
>>> What do you want to drink?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carl K
>>
>> I know I presented last time, but I have a little idea for a smallish
>> presentation, maybe 15 minutes. Something quick, right to the point, just
>> going bang, bang, bang right through the steps...
>>
>> http://jessenoller.com/2010/04/22/why-arent-you-contributing-to-python/
>> covers an interesting topic (to me), and I think it would be cool to show an
>> example of how to contribute a fix to Python. My idea is to go from
>> start-to-finish finding a bug in Python, checking out the source, fixing the
>> bug, making a patch, signing up on the tracker, then submitting the patch. A
>> documentation fix would probably be easiest/quickest, but I could look
>> around the bug tracker and keep a really small standard library bug in my
>> back pocket so we can fix some actual code.
>>
>> Being a semi-newbie to the group and not knowing many people's level of
>> exposure, I don't know if this is above, below, or just right for the
>> audience. I know each meeting has a few brand new users, and we also have
>> people who have contributed to CPython, PyPy, and Unladen Swallow...but I
>> don't know the average meeting attendee.
>>
>> Anyone interested? Am I breaking any ChiPy laws by presenting in
>> back-to-back meetings?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> p.s. I like sausage pizza and beer.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Subodhini Chopde
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From pfein at pobox.com  Tue Apr 27 19:09:52 2010
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:09:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] May 13 meeting topics,
	pizza toppings and drink  topology
In-Reply-To: <y2t549053141004270947gb79ac427vbcb53b23b7203b72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <l2z549053141004241636zc5138584q7bd4db1d97ce9104@mail.gmail.com>
	<i2ycf9f31f21004241831g1671c9ebm243ecf5c98eaca1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<k2jf6e761d71004270905q826fcfftfec3fc9d643035c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2t549053141004270947gb79ac427vbcb53b23b7203b72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D0CBD97-E18B-4A9A-9C2F-7F282E69E90D@pobox.com>

veg no mushroom

On Apr 27, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> We had that last month, but it was hard to figure out what was what.
> I'll ask for better labels.  like "please write VEG on the box."
> 
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Subodhini <smv260985 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Guys,
>> Veggie pizza would be great :)
>> 
>> regards,
>> subodhini
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 18:36, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Who wants to talk?
>>>> 
>>>> What do you want on your pizza?
>>>> 
>>>> What do you want to drink?
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Carl K
>>> 
>>> I know I presented last time, but I have a little idea for a smallish
>>> presentation, maybe 15 minutes. Something quick, right to the point, just
>>> going bang, bang, bang right through the steps...
>>> 
>>> http://jessenoller.com/2010/04/22/why-arent-you-contributing-to-python/
>>> covers an interesting topic (to me), and I think it would be cool to show an
>>> example of how to contribute a fix to Python. My idea is to go from
>>> start-to-finish finding a bug in Python, checking out the source, fixing the
>>> bug, making a patch, signing up on the tracker, then submitting the patch. A
>>> documentation fix would probably be easiest/quickest, but I could look
>>> around the bug tracker and keep a really small standard library bug in my
>>> back pocket so we can fix some actual code.
>>> 
>>> Being a semi-newbie to the group and not knowing many people's level of
>>> exposure, I don't know if this is above, below, or just right for the
>>> audience. I know each meeting has a few brand new users, and we also have
>>> people who have contributed to CPython, PyPy, and Unladen Swallow...but I
>>> don't know the average meeting attendee.
>>> 
>>> Anyone interested? Am I breaking any ChiPy laws by presenting in
>>> back-to-back meetings?
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>> p.s. I like sausage pizza and beer.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Subodhini Chopde
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 19:59:18 2010
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:18 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] gsoc will make everyone love pip
In-Reply-To: <q2p3db160681004270933ze659a583tcb2c30893ad6c58d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2ia68ced641004261344h94da0c8em4a2565718cf56488@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2oae6584d31004261400h57c6152dmf7415a9713f63d2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<r2za68ced641004261417zcc1fa20anee0444bd620b3dff@mail.gmail.com>
	<n2lae6584d31004261422j9f57765fp7787500afa4cecf0@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> With pip can you finally uninstall packages?
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:27 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:17 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> [why didn't it show up in the psf section?]
>>
>>
>> > I don't show up under the PSF because Django applies as it's own
>> > organization, not as part of the PSF.
>>
>> aha.
>>
>> I don't know if everyone else in chipy would like the topic, but I'd
>> like to hear about gsoc projects related to python (like yours) and
>> was disappointed when I thought there was no one in Chicago
>> participating, and thought maybe if people were interested we could
>> invite the guy in Indianapolis.
>>
>> your thoughts? everyone else's thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

Yes the current pip release let's you uninstall packages.

Alex

-- 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it." -- Voltaire
"The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
"Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
want" -- Me

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 20:03:58 2010
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:03:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] gsoc will make everyone love pip
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Ha, I guess that would have been be easily google-able.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > With pip can you finally uninstall packages?
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:27 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:17 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> [why didn't it show up in the psf section?]
> >>
> >>
> >> > I don't show up under the PSF because Django applies as it's own
> >> > organization, not as part of the PSF.
> >>
> >> aha.
> >>
> >> I don't know if everyone else in chipy would like the topic, but I'd
> >> like to hear about gsoc projects related to python (like yours) and
> >> was disappointed when I thought there was no one in Chicago
> >> participating, and thought maybe if people were interested we could
> >> invite the guy in Indianapolis.
> >>
> >> your thoughts? everyone else's thoughts?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> sheila
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> Yes the current pip release let's you uninstall packages.
>
> Alex
>
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From dean at gianthead.net  Tue Apr 27 21:34:42 2010
From: dean at gianthead.net (Dean Sellis)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:34:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Django/Javascript Job Opening in Lake Forest, IL
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