From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Jul  4 04:03:10 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 21:03:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Can Erlang do this I think not?
Message-ID: <AANLkTinGoH5zNfZ7tz5s53Jeaf7vgXw_FoeZf_9bt7Qq@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.google.com/buzz/bslatkin/6SXDRWXFWkN
*2000+ entity writes per second sustained for 8+ days straight*. That's *125
writes/sec/shard
All with fucking snakes on a motherfucking plane! (google app engine)
Well maybe some spam.
Spam.
Spam.
Spam.
Spam.

*Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jul  6 04:51:02 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 21:51:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] talk this Thurs
Message-ID: <AANLkTik8q3t-G2M6hgR0nz8ilmFhaJYkk_cqocPAT-h2@mail.gmail.com>

happy holidays... and now back to biz: who wants to talk?  Twisted
sounds like a good topic.

-- 
Carl K

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  6 05:26:09 2010
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 22:26:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] talk this Thurs
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik8q3t-G2M6hgR0nz8ilmFhaJYkk_cqocPAT-h2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik8q3t-G2M6hgR0nz8ilmFhaJYkk_cqocPAT-h2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVq8fzOrE3v72SLY5A_FMyjwePbjxjyh8W4YnH@mail.gmail.com>

Where is the meeting this thursday?

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> happy holidays... and now back to biz: who wants to talk?  Twisted
> sounds like a good topic.
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Tue Jul  6 05:35:59 2010
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 22:35:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] talk this Thurs
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimVq8fzOrE3v72SLY5A_FMyjwePbjxjyh8W4YnH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik8q3t-G2M6hgR0nz8ilmFhaJYkk_cqocPAT-h2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimVq8fzOrE3v72SLY5A_FMyjwePbjxjyh8W4YnH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilfI9VrBZIIWfx9Nq7K3a1vdSALQcrVudtS9x4Z@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Where is the meeting this thursday?
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>>
>> happy holidays... and now back to biz: who wants to talk? ?Twisted
>> sounds like a good topic.
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

I've got a talk on PyPy and Unladen Swallow (And the Speed of Python)
for PyOhio that I'm getting ready, I could do that if there's
interest.

Alex

-- 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it." -- Voltaire
"The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
"Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
want" -- Me

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Tue Jul  6 06:56:50 2010
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 23:56:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] talk this Thurs
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilfI9VrBZIIWfx9Nq7K3a1vdSALQcrVudtS9x4Z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik8q3t-G2M6hgR0nz8ilmFhaJYkk_cqocPAT-h2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimVq8fzOrE3v72SLY5A_FMyjwePbjxjyh8W4YnH@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTilfI9VrBZIIWfx9Nq7K3a1vdSALQcrVudtS9x4Z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikRpLPgrTaUuoIc8iFXg4XNP4aVIuQFvSwfrRKE@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've got a talk on PyPy and Unladen Swallow (And the Speed of Python)
> for PyOhio that I'm getting ready, I could do that if there's
> interest.

I'm not a 100% sure I can make it this Thursday but a talk on Unladen
Swallow + speedups would be very cool!

-Kumar

>
> Alex
>
> --
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
> right to say it." -- Voltaire
> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
> "Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
> want" -- Me
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jul  6 17:18:22 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:18:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] meeting Thurs 7 ITA pizza
Message-ID: <AANLkTikvD4BZJT8HmSyv9xz1xvIizQZzy5R1-hUGyrmV@mail.gmail.com>

more formal post coming later after I GSD, but for now, get your pizza order in

2 talks, these are gonna be duzies:

PyPy and Unladen-Swallow: Making your Python Fast
Presenter: Alex Gaynor
Audience: beginner/intermediate
Summary:
Python has a reputation for being a bit slow, but it doesn't have to
be that way. This talk will cover why Python is slow, and what two of
the most exciting virtual machines are doing about it.

And the long awaited Twisted talk by Daniel Griffin.

-- 
Carl K

From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Jul  6 17:24:05 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:24:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] meeting Thurs 7 ITA pizza
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikvD4BZJT8HmSyv9xz1xvIizQZzy5R1-hUGyrmV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikvD4BZJT8HmSyv9xz1xvIizQZzy5R1-hUGyrmV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikB5smxvXVy9qloTdbrGMlR0kjuDJ3iA-TR_Xrl@mail.gmail.com>

RSVP here:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA
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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Jul  7 03:17:52 2010
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 20:17:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Good to know they use Python/Django
Message-ID: <19507.54720.40078.684482@montanaro.dyndns.org>

I just signed up for Map My Ride's Le Tour Challenge.  Here's the start of
their welcome email:

    Dear <django.utils.functional.__proxy__ object at 0x16e1a090>,

    Congratulations, you are registered to participate in the 2010 Le Tour
    Challenge benefiting the American Diabetes Association (ADA).

    http://www.mapmyride.com/tdf

    ...

Nice to know they are Python folks. :-)

Skip


From brianherman at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 21:47:13 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:47:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] talk this Thurs
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikRpLPgrTaUuoIc8iFXg4XNP4aVIuQFvSwfrRKE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik8q3t-G2M6hgR0nz8ilmFhaJYkk_cqocPAT-h2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTimVq8fzOrE3v72SLY5A_FMyjwePbjxjyh8W4YnH@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTilfI9VrBZIIWfx9Nq7K3a1vdSALQcrVudtS9x4Z@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTikRpLPgrTaUuoIc8iFXg4XNP4aVIuQFvSwfrRKE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikf_TIyEe13IV-T2MD3gYc4TPfQOJCxFNGMZXCx@mail.gmail.com>

No twisted people T_T it sounds really cool. Twisted like twisted sick
python.
Does the almighty Karl Carsten know about kwisted kython?

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
Consultant
University of Chicago


On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I've got a talk on PyPy and Unladen Swallow (And the Speed of Python)
> > for PyOhio that I'm getting ready, I could do that if there's
> > interest.
>
> I'm not a 100% sure I can make it this Thursday but a talk on Unladen
> Swallow + speedups would be very cool!
>
> -Kumar
>
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > --
> > "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
> > right to say it." -- Voltaire
> > "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
> > "Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
> > want" -- Me
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 22:33:11 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:33:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy July Meeting
Message-ID: <AANLkTinvi8gobIP7FM0hjwFZjQ--9ddk_cC9W-QbLffv@mail.gmail.com>

As it turns out, this will be the best user group meeting ever!  Best Ever,
Anywhere, and you do not even need to pay admission or listen to Ads by
desperate head hunters looking for coders who code will not crash a foreign
market exchange because they improperly cast a void pointer. Best Ever,
Gang, get it!  Spread the word and join the peaceful Python fanatics for fun
and education in a nicely Air Conditioned Room, Color HD Display, Free WIFI,
HD surround sound, power windows, and  convenient down town location right
next to the Sear.. I mean Willis Tower!  Free admission. Just bring your
open ears and mind, folks!

When: 7 PM Thursday July 8, 2010
Where: ITA | TechNexus  200 S. Wacker Drive, 15th Floor Chicago, IL 60606

Metra: exit on Adams St, walk East across the bridge, first door on the
right.

Topics
------

1. PyPy and Unladen-Swallow: Making your Python Fast by Alex Gaynor

Python has a reputation for being a bit slow, but it doesn't have to
be that way. This talk will cover why Python is slow, and what two of
the most exciting virtual machines are doing about it.

2. long awaited Twisted talk by Daniel Griffin.


Sign Up
-------

If you plan to attend please add your name
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA


About the group
---------------
ChiPy is made up of people of all levels of programming and Python
knowledge. At every meeting we have had both beginning programmers,
people who are just starting to use Python, as well as experienced
Python programmers. Don't be intimidated about coming to a meeting.

Note that ChiPy is not a formal organization. We collect no dues,
elect no officers, and keep no roster. Signing up for the mailing list
carries no obligation. Nor does showing up at the meetings. Nor, at
least so far, does anything else we have done, although we always
appreciate it when our presenters show up. (They usually do!)

http://chipy.org
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 22:37:39 2010
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:37:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Good to know they use Python/Django
In-Reply-To: <19507.54720.40078.684482@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19507.54720.40078.684482@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimLat7rEUfHSetWe_vfiwNBt5GfMye44Hg3CBMe@mail.gmail.com>

You're just an object to them.  ;)

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 8:17 PM, <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> I just signed up for Map My Ride's Le Tour Challenge.  Here's the start of
> their welcome email:
>
>    Dear <django.utils.functional.__proxy__ object at 0x16e1a090>,
>
>    Congratulations, you are registered to participate in the 2010 Le Tour
>    Challenge benefiting the American Diabetes Association (ADA).
>
>    http://www.mapmyride.com/tdf
>
>    ...
>
> Nice to know they are Python folks. :-)
>
> Skip
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Jul  7 22:37:43 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:37:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy at ITA Thu July 8, 7p
Message-ID: <AANLkTil3IzsWa0QYKNF_NVhTQTca7e0GVM7wavxhatXf@mail.gmail.com>

ChiPy
=========================

When: 7 PM Thursday July 8, 2010
Where: ITA

Best meeting ever!

Topics
------
 1. 7:00 Programming with Twisted. (Dan Griffin)
 2. 7:45 Pizza (Imaginary Landscape)
 3. 8:30 PyPy and Unladen-Swallow: Making your Python Fast (Alex Gaynor)


Details
-------

1. Programming with Twisted.
Dan Griffin
- What twisted is and its purpose in life(ie the reactor pattern).
- Non-blocking network programming.
- The confusing topic of deferreds and callbacks everywhere.
- Methods for dealing with blocking APIs.



2. Pizza
Imaginary Landscape
Local Python shop wants to make sure we don't pass out from
starvation.  Return the favor by visiting http://chicagopython.com



3. PyPy and Unladen-Swallow: Making your Python Fast
Alex Gaynor
Python has a reputation for being a bit slow, but it doesn't have to
be that way. This talk will cover why Python is slow, and what two of
the most exciting virtual machines are doing about it.




Location
--------
Illinois Technology Association (ITA)
200 S. Wacker Drive
15th Floor
Chicago, IL 60606

312.435.2805
http://www.illinoistech.org

Metra: exit on Adams St, walk East across the bridge, first door on the right.

Show your ID to security.  Be on the list or they will be sad.
http://chipy.org/FrontPage#sign-up

-- 
Carl K

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 00:16:05 2010
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:16:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Good to know they use Python/Django
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLat7rEUfHSetWe_vfiwNBt5GfMye44Hg3CBMe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19507.54720.40078.684482@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<AANLkTimLat7rEUfHSetWe_vfiwNBt5GfMye44Hg3CBMe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikRnFkoMi2mzyjsjj3DPsXseEX2lyxequgMbd-o@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> You're just an object to them. ?;)

you're not even a real object, just a proxy :(

>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 8:17 PM, <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just signed up for Map My Ride's Le Tour Challenge. ?Here's the start of
>> their welcome email:
>>
>> ? ?Dear <django.utils.functional.__proxy__ object at 0x16e1a090>,
>>
>> ? ?Congratulations, you are registered to participate in the 2010 Le Tour
>> ? ?Challenge benefiting the American Diabetes Association (ADA).
>>
>> ? ?http://www.mapmyride.com/tdf
>>
>> ? ?...
>>
>> Nice to know they are Python folks. :-)
>>
>> Skip
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From brianherman at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 04:10:48 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 21:10:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Good to know they use Python/Django
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikRnFkoMi2mzyjsjj3DPsXseEX2lyxequgMbd-o@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19507.54720.40078.684482@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
	<AANLkTimLat7rEUfHSetWe_vfiwNBt5GfMye44Hg3CBMe@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTikRnFkoMi2mzyjsjj3DPsXseEX2lyxequgMbd-o@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinJNXN9z4NVNNqrfKNphgMgIDVt8ac8G7sI0IIB@mail.gmail.com>

At least we all have a memory address at 0x16e1a090.
But I guess we share that with everyone....



Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
Consultant
University of Chicago


On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > You're just an object to them.  ;)
>
> you're not even a real object, just a proxy :(
>
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 8:17 PM, <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I just signed up for Map My Ride's Le Tour Challenge.  Here's the start
> of
> >> their welcome email:
> >>
> >>    Dear <django.utils.functional.__proxy__ object at 0x16e1a090>,
> >>
> >>    Congratulations, you are registered to participate in the 2010 Le
> Tour
> >>    Challenge benefiting the American Diabetes Association (ADA).
> >>
> >>    http://www.mapmyride.com/tdf
> >>
> >>    ...
> >>
> >> Nice to know they are Python folks. :-)
> >>
> >> Skip
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 21:16:39 2010
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 14:16:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Call for Applications - PSF Sponsored Sprints
Message-ID: <AANLkTimyWt5s6K9c7XQITuMD-kjH-0C9uwX7rDlatCb3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The topic I've babbled on about the last couple of meetings is finally here.
Forwarded below is the call for sprint applications for the Python Software
Foundation sponsored sprint program.

A few questions...

1. *Would you be interested in participating?* It takes all levels of
experience to make stuff like this work, so don't be shy. You'll learn,
you'll have fun, and you'll make an impact.
1a. *When would you be interested in participating?* (loose estimate, e.g.,
"end of July")
2. *Where could this be held?* (requirements: desks, chairs, wireless)
3. *Are you or your company interested in sponsoring the sprint in any
way?*(see #2, beer, etc)
4. *What are you interested in working on?* What dependencies are holding
you back from using 3.x? Let's work on porting them. What's wrong with the
documentation? Let's fix it. Want to dig into the standard library? Let's do
it.

I would like to organize a sprint(s), however, my weekends between now and
early-August are filled, so I couldn't actually participate in said
sprint(s) until then. I'll help put together a sprint in the meantime if
there is interest in something being done in July.

Above all, I'd love to get a group together for something like this on a
regular basis. Montreal Python <http://montrealpython.org/> was the first
PSF sponsorship group because they do regular sprints. We at ChiPy, home of
the best meetings ever, surely could put together the best sprints ever.

Interested? Let me know.
Know of another mailing list that would be interested in joining us? Please
forward this!

For further info, check out http://pythonsprints.com/ - the home page for
all things PSF sprint related.

Thanks,

Brian


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jesse Noller <jnoller at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:44
Subject: [Sprints] Call for Applications - PSF Sponsored Sprints [please
share]
To: sprints at python.org


The PSF is happy to open our first call for applications for sprint funding!

Have you ever had a group of people together to hack towards a common goal?
You've hosted a sprint!

Have you ever wanted to get a group of like minded Pythonistas together to
hack
for a day? You're going to want to hold a sprint!

Whether you call them Sprints, Hackfests, Hack-a-thons, or any other name,
they're a great way to hang out with like-minded developers and work on
common
code. Sprints are an unbeatable way to build friendships and contacts that
will
last for years to come, and they're a great way to learn about something new
if
you're just starting out.

The Python Software Foundation has set aside funds to be distributed to
world-wide sprint efforts. We're anticipating 2-3 events per month focused
on
covering topics to help the entire community:

 - Python Core bug triage and patch submission (on-boarding new
contributors)
 - Python Core documentation (including process documentation) improvements
 - Porting libraries/applications to Python 3
 - Python website/wiki content improvements
 - PyPI packaging hosting site improvements
 - Contribution to other "core" projects, such as packaging related issues.

If you are interested in holding a sprint on any of the topics above and
you're
looking for some money to help out with sprint costs, we can help (up to a
max
of $250 USD). Prepare an application including the following information:

 - Date and Location: Where will the event be? What day and time?
 - Organizers: Who are the event organizers and sprint coach? Is the sprint
  being run by a Python user group?
 - Attendees: How many participants do you expect?
 - Goal: What is the focus and goal of the sprint?
 - Budget: How much funding you are requesting, and what will you use it
for?
 - Applications should be sent to: sprints at python.org with the subject
"Sprint
  Funding Application - <location>"

We encourage anyone - even those who have never held, or been to a sprint -
to
consider holding one. We will help you as much as we can with welcome
packets,
advertising, and hooking you up with required resources - anything to make
it
possible.

As part of being approved, the you will need to agree to deliver a report
(hopefully, with pictures!) of the sprint to the Sprint Committee, so we can
post it on the sprint blog and site:

http://www.pythonsprints.com

If you have any questions or need more information, contact us by email at
sprints at python.org.

More information is up on our blog:
   http://pythonsprints.com/2010/07/8/call-applications-now-open/
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From bray at sent.com  Thu Jul  8 05:07:21 2010
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 22:07:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: MapMyRun: Welcome to the Aquaphor Le Tour Challenge
References: <20100708030317.31931.34359@madison.mapmyfitness.com>
Message-ID: <0DE15974-9F98-4C9E-BB76-EFC06FE0E926@sent.com>

For the record it's fixed:



Begin forwarded message:

> From: The MapMyRun Team <no-reply at mapmyfitness.com>
> Date: July 7, 2010 10:03:17 PM CDT
> To: Bray at sent.com
> Subject: MapMyRun: Welcome to the Aquaphor Le Tour Challenge
>

> Dear Brian,
>
> Congratulations, you are registered to participate in the 2010 Le  
> Tour Challenge benefiting the American Diabetes Association (ADA).
>
> http://www.mapmyride.com/tdf
>
> Get the most out of the 2010 Le Tour Challenge by following these  
> steps.
>
> 1. Update your profile ? Add a picture and share information about y 
> our cycling with other participants.
>
> 2. Get the latest 2010 Le Tour Challenge news ? visit the Challenge  
> Hub frequently and see what is new, prizes that have been added and  
> all ADA fundraising details leading up to the official Challenge sta 
> rt.
>
> 3. Follow the 2010 Le Tour Challenge on Twitter @MapMyRIDE ? get up- 
> to-date Challenge news, changes and highlights before, during and af 
> ter the event. Share your Challenge successes by tagging your posts  
> with #letour.
>
> 4. Download iMapMyRide+ for the iPhone ? and ensure that all your Ch 
> allenge rides are verified.  iMapMyRide+ uses the built-in GPS on yo 
> ur iPhone to track your routes, distance, pace and calories burned.  
> And it automatically uploads all of your training data to MapMyRide.com 
> .
>
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/imapmyride/id30656234?mt=8
>
> Thanks again for participating and best of luck in your training  
> leading up to the start of the 2010 Le Tour Challenge
>
> Allez! Allez!
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From sergioafp at gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 20:27:51 2010
From: sergioafp at gmail.com (Sergio Pereira)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:27:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Presenter for a Python 101 talk
Message-ID: <AANLkTimoDjcT3KgMphlZoDPFNy13W1FiQsMzg4i0BURK@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I'm looking for someone that could deliver an introduction to Pyhton for a
.NET user group downtown.
Not looking for an IronPython presentation but a CPython or agnostic one. If
you can talk a little about IronPython that would be great but it shouldn't
be the focus of the talk.
This group is the Chicago ALT.NET (http://chicagoalt.net) and our members,
even though they come from .NET backgrounds, have a lot of interest in
learning about new languages and technologies that have nothing to do with
Microsoft.
We're just looking for someone that could explain the basics of Python
syntax, the tools required to use it, explain where Python is being used
with success, and what is currently popular in Python developments (like App
Engine? Django? I'm really not familiar enough yet to suggest :) )

Any takers? Contact me here or directly to avoid noise in the list:
sergioafp /at/ gmail

Cheers!
______________________________________
Sergio Pereira
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 02:42:20 2010
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:42:20 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] greetings from PDX user group
Message-ID: <AANLkTimQFxifTFrv22l8oS4UV4uV0IJ9VHLRjnd7A7-l@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings from Portland's user group (Oregon).

Looking for new open source projects?  I think the
coming thing is for universities to brag if they
"eat their own dog food."  Self-respecting
academies don't outsource the basics of
student enrollment and course offerings to
private vendor products.  That'd be my
thesis for some upcoming Lightning Talk.

In the gossip column, what I brought up last
meetup was some discussion of whether to
drop IDLE from Standard Library.  I've got
some ruminations on that on edu-sig here:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2010-July/010025.html
(IDLE mentioned somewhere in the middle).

Nice chatting with ya,

Kirby Urner

PSF '09

ps:   fond memories of Pycon 2009
Photostream:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/17157315 at N00/sets/72157616066135225/


4dsolutions.net
etc.
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From tonkinjs at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 10:05:25 2010
From: tonkinjs at yahoo.com (Jonathan Tonkin)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 01:05:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago] An item that may be of interest to group members
Message-ID: <408288.42719.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

>From Greg Neumarke, Secretary of the Chicago Chapter ACM:?

"The Chicago Chapter of the ACM is having a Summer planning meeting.

Please come if you are interested in shaping the future of the Chicago Chapter, volunteering in any way, or submitting your name to run for one of the 4 elected council positions (Chair, Vice-Chair, Secretary, or Treasurer)

We intend to meet around 6:30pm in the evening at a location in the Ogilvy/Union Station area, on a day in the last week of July that works best for most of us.?

To that end, please complete this survey about what dates you are available to attend.

http://www.chicagoacm.org/rsvp

We will decide on the final date quickly and send out another missive with specifics.

Thanks for your continuing interest in the Chicago Chapter of the ACM!"




      
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 15:33:21 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:33:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python & HTML together at last
Message-ID: <AANLkTinSyslPLnTcdE4qz1t5WFRThdD7x0zTzTocZdMl@mail.gmail.com>

*http://ironpython.net/browser/gettingstarted.html*<http://ironpython.net/browser/gettingstarted.html>
Now you can use spam bacon eggs and spam I mean python in your html inline.
Example:

<script type="text/python">
  def button_onclick(s, e):
      window.Alert("Hello from Python!")
  document.button.events.onclick += button_onclick

</script>


You don't need a server that supports python.
Just a client that supports iron python.
Yay!


Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
Consultant
University of Chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 16:21:00 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:21:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python & HTML together at last
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinSyslPLnTcdE4qz1t5WFRThdD7x0zTzTocZdMl@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinSyslPLnTcdE4qz1t5WFRThdD7x0zTzTocZdMl@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimkBEFBo-SIgOgfiD0g3J9vzvo4ydaxKO4EgAI-@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Brian, it's Brian:

That is pretty interesting. And thanks for not cursing ;)

I always wondered about other client side implementations of Python and
where they stand. Wether it be Gestalt, Silverlight, MozPython,  some
Mozilla attempts...

Speaking of Mozilla, Ian posted a while back this article
http://blog.ianbicking.org/2010/03/10/joining-mozilla/ where someone
comments, "Congratulations, Ian! Now I can see Python in the browser
happening :)"

Not sure if that is a joke or not; however, I think the IronPython way may
be the only real way besides building your own browser plugin (which I have
done btw and it was a real pain and was only suitable for demonstration and
for those who do not mind if someone else erases your hard drive).

-- The Other Brian



On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> *http://ironpython.net/browser/gettingstarted.html*<http://ironpython.net/browser/gettingstarted.html>
> Now you can use spam bacon eggs and spam I mean python in your html
> inline.
> Example:
>
> <script type="text/python">
>   def button_onclick(s, e):
>       window.Alert("Hello from Python!")
>   document.button.events.onclick += button_onclick
>
>
> </script>
>
>
> You don't need a server that supports python.
> Just a client that supports iron python.
> Yay!
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
> Consultant
> University of Chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 16:46:26 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:46:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python & HTML together at last
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimkBEFBo-SIgOgfiD0g3J9vzvo4ydaxKO4EgAI-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinSyslPLnTcdE4qz1t5WFRThdD7x0zTzTocZdMl@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTimkBEFBo-SIgOgfiD0g3J9vzvo4ydaxKO4EgAI-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik1u_xkAFdCSyF9Ko_a46t2Fzc7rJS-aVcKb__2@mail.gmail.com>

Though this approach does require silverlight to be installed.
I looked in the javascript file that it refrences and I saw silverlight.
Though I already have silverlight because I watch netflix. I like
silverlight because you can play windows movies on linux in the browser.
http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight
I don't really hear many linux people complaining about silverlight's
performance like they do about flash. Unfortunately, thats because no one
uses silverlight. :( I guess there are two kinds of products the ones that
people complain about and use and the ones people don't complain about
because they don't use them.

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/moonlight-10-brings-silverlight-to-linux.ars

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
Consultant
University of Chicago


On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> MozPython
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From chad at glendenin.com  Tue Jul 20 17:29:25 2010
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:29:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python & HTML together at last
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik1u_xkAFdCSyF9Ko_a46t2Fzc7rJS-aVcKb__2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinSyslPLnTcdE4qz1t5WFRThdD7x0zTzTocZdMl@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimkBEFBo-SIgOgfiD0g3J9vzvo4ydaxKO4EgAI-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik1u_xkAFdCSyF9Ko_a46t2Fzc7rJS-aVcKb__2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikBPBPn19ATDAB9EHjBms1rHRm5qccPTjtsYFyZ@mail.gmail.com>

What I'd really like is a way to watch streaming video that doesn't
involve a technology controlled by a corporation that obviously hates
open source and has an agenda of turning the open internet into a
closed, proprietary standard. Am I talking about Adobe or Microsoft?
Both.

ccg


On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Though this approach does require silverlight to be installed.
> I looked in the javascript file that it refrences and I saw silverlight.
> Though I already have silverlight because I watch netflix. I like
> silverlight because you can play windows movies on linux in the browser.
> http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight
> I don't really hear many linux people complaining about silverlight's
> performance like they do about flash. Unfortunately, thats because no one
> uses silverlight. :( I guess there are two kinds of products the ones that
> people complain about and use and the ones people don't complain about
> because they don't use them.
>
> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/moonlight-10-brings-silverlight-to-linux.ars
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
> Consultant
> University of Chicago
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> MozPython
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 17:39:35 2010
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:39:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python & HTML together at last
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikBPBPn19ATDAB9EHjBms1rHRm5qccPTjtsYFyZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinSyslPLnTcdE4qz1t5WFRThdD7x0zTzTocZdMl@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimkBEFBo-SIgOgfiD0g3J9vzvo4ydaxKO4EgAI-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik1u_xkAFdCSyF9Ko_a46t2Fzc7rJS-aVcKb__2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikBPBPn19ATDAB9EHjBms1rHRm5qccPTjtsYFyZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin32Ii-W15xukoZWoDV_pSvAiM05yVjF3celp33@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:29, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:

> ...controlled by a corporation that obviously hates open source...
>
> ccg


That's a slightly odd perspective on Microsoft, especially given that
IronPython and IronRuby both switched to an Apache license and IronPython is
getting closer to accepting external contributions. Plus, Microsoft recently
gave the PSF around $120,000 worth of MSDN subscriptions for core CPython
developers thanks to their Open Source Technology Center, a group focused on
making sure open source projects have the resources to operate successfully
on Windows.
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From ken at stox.org  Tue Jul 20 18:12:04 2010
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:12:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python & HTML together at last
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin32Ii-W15xukoZWoDV_pSvAiM05yVjF3celp33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinSyslPLnTcdE4qz1t5WFRThdD7x0zTzTocZdMl@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimkBEFBo-SIgOgfiD0g3J9vzvo4ydaxKO4EgAI-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik1u_xkAFdCSyF9Ko_a46t2Fzc7rJS-aVcKb__2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikBPBPn19ATDAB9EHjBms1rHRm5qccPTjtsYFyZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin32Ii-W15xukoZWoDV_pSvAiM05yVjF3celp33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1279642324.4934.31.camel@stox.dyndns.org>

On Tue, 2010-07-20 at 10:39 -0500, Brian Curtin wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:29, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com>
> wrote:
>         ...controlled by a corporation that obviously hates open
>         source...
>         
>         ccg
> 
> 
> That's a slightly odd perspective on Microsoft, especially given that
> IronPython and IronRuby both switched to an Apache license and
> IronPython is getting closer to accepting external contributions.
> Plus, Microsoft recently gave the PSF around $120,000 worth of MSDN
> subscriptions for core CPython developers thanks to their Open Source
> Technology Center, a group focused on making sure open source projects
> have the resources to operate successfully on Windows.

Microsoft does not hate Open Source, but it truly despises the GPL. They
have made their opinion quit clear in this matter.


From brianherman at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 19:02:44 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:02:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python & HTML together at last
In-Reply-To: <1279642324.4934.31.camel@stox.dyndns.org>
References: <AANLkTinSyslPLnTcdE4qz1t5WFRThdD7x0zTzTocZdMl@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTimkBEFBo-SIgOgfiD0g3J9vzvo4ydaxKO4EgAI-@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTik1u_xkAFdCSyF9Ko_a46t2Fzc7rJS-aVcKb__2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTikBPBPn19ATDAB9EHjBms1rHRm5qccPTjtsYFyZ@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTin32Ii-W15xukoZWoDV_pSvAiM05yVjF3celp33@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1279642324.4934.31.camel@stox.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin__OXLQnDCVMZDhb_uZmhiSyeFVTqo7BJVS9qo@mail.gmail.com>

Microsoft research also gives hosting and developers to the ocaml project.
They also include F# (Microsoft's version of ocaml) as a first class
language in Visual Studio 2010.

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
Consultant
University of Chicago


On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Kenneth P. Stox <ken at stox.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-07-20 at 10:39 -0500, Brian Curtin wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:29, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com>
> > wrote:
> >         ...controlled by a corporation that obviously hates open
> >         source...
> >
> >         ccg
> >
> >
> > That's a slightly odd perspective on Microsoft, especially given that
> > IronPython and IronRuby both switched to an Apache license and
> > IronPython is getting closer to accepting external contributions.
> > Plus, Microsoft recently gave the PSF around $120,000 worth of MSDN
> > subscriptions for core CPython developers thanks to their Open Source
> > Technology Center, a group focused on making sure open source projects
> > have the resources to operate successfully on Windows.
>
> Microsoft does not hate Open Source, but it truly despises the GPL. They
> have made their opinion quit clear in this matter.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 19:10:44 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python & HTML together at last
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin32Ii-W15xukoZWoDV_pSvAiM05yVjF3celp33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinSyslPLnTcdE4qz1t5WFRThdD7x0zTzTocZdMl@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimkBEFBo-SIgOgfiD0g3J9vzvo4ydaxKO4EgAI-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik1u_xkAFdCSyF9Ko_a46t2Fzc7rJS-aVcKb__2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikBPBPn19ATDAB9EHjBms1rHRm5qccPTjtsYFyZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin32Ii-W15xukoZWoDV_pSvAiM05yVjF3celp33@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:29, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
>
>> ...controlled by a corporation that obviously hates open source...
>>
>> ccg
>
>
> That's a slightly odd perspective on Microsoft, especially given that
> IronPython and IronRuby both switched to an Apache license and IronPython is
> getting closer to accepting external contributions. Plus, Microsoft recently
> gave the PSF around $120,000 worth of MSDN subscriptions for core CPython
> developers thanks to their Open Source Technology Center, a group focused on
> making sure open source projects have the resources to operate successfully
> on Windows.
>
>
Hi Brian^3,

I do think Micro$oft has parts of the business that will never get the
advantage of Copy Left (GPL etc).  I think they also have a business
perspective that makes sense to embrace open source. They also have a
business perspective (depending on who you talk to) that probably does not
like open source because they some fear what they do not understand. I think
I got all these perspectives all from different people who work and M$.
They are just a really big company that seems to be disjointed.

I choose to ignore that to some degree.  And it is not so much hate M$, I
just really like working with a language that is not controlled by any one
corporation. It allows any one person from "up strairs" to slip into a
language planning meeting and slip a business agenda into the language.

I have worked with Adobe stuff and M$ stuff especially the specs for
printing (like PDF and XPS, for example) and noticed that a lot of the same
people who embraced earlier open standards (IE the Red Book... PostScript)
also embraced open standards.  But the weird thing is that you must follow
their interpretation of these standards if you wish to make PDF or XPS. And
since the code in these libs is not open source (and can be expensive for
source license) it becomes prohibitive for anyone in the open source world
to work on software that interpolates well.  Developers end up pretty
frustrated but usually wish they would take a different corporate approach
that is more consistent.  And btw 120,000 is nice but barely a tithing.

-- Yet, the other Brian
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From samir at esamir.com  Thu Jul 22 16:55:24 2010
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:55:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Popen/subprocess/Poll Question.
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUDBOhj6ccns0qByKX5hNJweLCQJJhwgNxvp9S@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure this is something fairly silly I'm overlooking, but I've been
spending too much time on this... so I figured I should ask the powers
that be.

I'm running a process that's usually takes a while.... (in the best
case scenario a few hours... going on days occasionally)

I'm presuming I need to spawn a thread for the process so it doesn't block.

So I have something like this:

class testit(Thread):
   def __init__ (self,cmd):
      Thread.__init__(self)
      self.cmd = cmd
      self.p = sub.Popen(shlex.split(self.cmd), stdout=sub.PIPE,
stderr=sub.PIPE)
   def run(self):
      out,err = self.p.communicate()
      print out
      print err
   def getProcess(self):
       return self.p

current = testit("watch -n 5 date")
proc = current.getProcess

#### insert useful code here

current.start()
current.join()


Now, what I'm trying to accomplish is to have it print its output to a
screen AND let me capture its output.  I'd like to see the output.
I'd also like to see the output as its processing, not capture it, and
print it to screen and then write to file.

I think I need to poll it before starting the process, and register an
event so whenever stdout changes, I can pull that information and push
write to file.
Though the whole events/polling isn't making much sense to me right
now.  Any hints?


--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 17:07:21 2010
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:07:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Popen/subprocess/Poll Question.
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Using communicate is basically going to block until the process is done. You
can use a tempfile and read the temp file at some interval to print to
screen, then fseek(0) at the end to get the contents of the file. Also, if
you use PIPE it goes to memory which can really screw you up if you have a
lot of output.

To use poll you basically have to check it periodically. I do this in
twisted with a reactor.callLater(1, blah.check_process()) . You can do the
same with a while loop with a sleep in it.

Dan



On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Samir Faci <samir at esamir.com> wrote:

> I'm sure this is something fairly silly I'm overlooking, but I've been
> spending too much time on this... so I figured I should ask the powers
> that be.
>
> I'm running a process that's usually takes a while.... (in the best
> case scenario a few hours... going on days occasionally)
>
> I'm presuming I need to spawn a thread for the process so it doesn't block.
>
> So I have something like this:
>
> class testit(Thread):
>   def __init__ (self,cmd):
>      Thread.__init__(self)
>      self.cmd = cmd
>      self.p = sub.Popen(shlex.split(self.cmd), stdout=sub.PIPE,
> stderr=sub.PIPE)
>   def run(self):
>      out,err = self.p.communicate()
>      print out
>      print err
>   def getProcess(self):
>       return self.p
>
> current = testit("watch -n 5 date")
> proc = current.getProcess
>
> #### insert useful code here
>
> current.start()
> current.join()
>
>
> Now, what I'm trying to accomplish is to have it print its output to a
> screen AND let me capture its output.  I'd like to see the output.
> I'd also like to see the output as its processing, not capture it, and
> print it to screen and then write to file.
>
> I think I need to poll it before starting the process, and register an
> event so whenever stdout changes, I can pull that information and push
> write to file.
> Though the whole events/polling isn't making much sense to me right
> now.  Any hints?
>
>
> --
> Samir Faci
> *insert title*
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 17:38:49 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:38:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Popen/subprocess/Poll Question.
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On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Samir Faci <samir at esamir.com> wrote:

> I'm sure this is something fairly silly I'm overlooking, but I've been
> spending too much time on this... so I figured I should ask the powers
> that be.
>
>
This is complicated stuff. Do *not* feel bad.

I was working on something similar where I used a non-blocking Queue Server
like this one


http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en#EvwmCkrYNSE/src/queue_server.py&l=34&d=0

However, I modified the code so that the worker will periodically post back
some results to the server so the log can be displayed. You can run
Subprocess in the worker then post stuff back to the Queue.

The important elements here is how the Queue() waits by default.  Also an
important to know which *thing* your talking about when your posting
anything to the dispatching Queue server.  I changed the way the Queue and
the id handing works in my own code.

Also, I changed the way stopping stuff works. I wanted to be able to stop on
demand and not get a ghost server and make works end gracefully.  That was a
bit tricky because the code here suggests serve_forever.   I put a stop()
method on the workers and the server.  So in the Workers I sleep() and check
_stop periodically.  Likewise, when I am looking for Queue objects, put
those in loop and set the timeout Queue.get(True,10)  so that it does not
block.  Likewise, you will want to make one final call to the server to
release the socket (it may fail, which is fine). If things really get hung
on the worker or the server (or if I get impatient) I do a force stop with
psutil.

Oh, the other change I made is that I ended up using a WorkerPool Thread
that actually has a collection of Workers ready to do *something*.  It just
starts a bunch of workers that are watching polling waiting for the command
to start actually do something from the Server.  It has its own stop() which
just calls stop on all the worker threads.

Hope this helps,

-- Brian
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From maney at two14.net  Thu Jul 22 17:28:44 2010
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:28:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Popen/subprocess/Poll Question.
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On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 09:55:24AM -0500, Samir Faci wrote:
> I'm running a process that's usually takes a while.... (in the best
> case scenario a few hours... going on days occasionally)
> 
> I'm presuming I need to spawn a thread for the process so it doesn't block.

Thread-on-the-brain disease?  Why not run it as a separate process? 
Threads are just processes that can mess each other up almost without
trying.  :-/

> Now, what I'm trying to accomplish is to have it print its output to a
> screen AND let me capture its output.  I'd like to see the output.
> I'd also like to see the output as its processing, not capture it, and
> print it to screen and then write to file.

There's an Anciente Unixe command that does this very thing, named
"tee".  Just sayin'

-- 
I'm not proud.  We really haven't done everything we could to
protect our customers ... Our products just aren't engineered
for security.  -- Brian Valentine, Microsoft Senior VP
                  in charge of the Windows development team


From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 17:49:34 2010
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:49:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Popen/subprocess/Poll Question.
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You really don't need Threads or Processes if you just use poll. Just keep a
list of popen's and periodically check them with poll.



On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 09:55:24AM -0500, Samir Faci wrote:
> > I'm running a process that's usually takes a while.... (in the best
> > case scenario a few hours... going on days occasionally)
> >
> > I'm presuming I need to spawn a thread for the process so it doesn't
> block.
>
> Thread-on-the-brain disease?  Why not run it as a separate process?
> Threads are just processes that can mess each other up almost without
> trying.  :-/
>
> > Now, what I'm trying to accomplish is to have it print its output to a
> > screen AND let me capture its output.  I'd like to see the output.
> > I'd also like to see the output as its processing, not capture it, and
> > print it to screen and then write to file.
>
> There's an Anciente Unixe command that does this very thing, named
> "tee".  Just sayin'
>
> --
> I'm not proud.  We really haven't done everything we could to
> protect our customers ... Our products just aren't engineered
> for security.  -- Brian Valentine, Microsoft Senior VP
>                  in charge of the Windows development team
>
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From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Thu Jul 22 17:54:20 2010
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:54:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python & HTML together at last
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	(Chad Glendenin's message of "Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:29:25 -0500")
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<video> tag and WebM & Theora. :)

Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> writes:

> What I'd really like is a way to watch streaming video that doesn't
> involve a technology controlled by a corporation that obviously hates
> open source and has an agenda of turning the open internet into a
> closed, proprietary standard. Am I talking about Adobe or Microsoft?
> Both.
>
> ccg
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Though this approach does require silverlight to be installed.
>> I looked in the javascript file that it refrences and I saw silverlight.
>> Though I already have silverlight because I watch netflix. I like
>> silverlight because you can play windows movies on linux in the browser.
>> http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight
>> I don't really hear many linux people complaining about silverlight's
>> performance like they do about flash. Unfortunately, thats because no one
>> uses silverlight. :( I guess there are two kinds of products the ones that
>> people complain about and use and the ones people don't complain about
>> because they don't use them.
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/moonlight-10-brings-silverlight-to-linux.ars
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> Research Assistant
>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> brianherman at acm.org
>> Consultant
>> University of Chicago
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> MozPython
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
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From samir at esamir.com  Thu Jul 22 17:57:34 2010
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:57:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Popen/subprocess/Poll Question.
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Inline.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You really don't need Threads or Processes if you just use poll. Just keep a
> list of popen's and periodically check them with poll.
>
I only spawned a thread because it seemed like communicate was
blocking, so having it on a different
thread seemed simple enough.

>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 09:55:24AM -0500, Samir Faci wrote:
>> > I'm running a process that's usually takes a while.... (in the best
>> > case scenario a few hours... going on days occasionally)
>> >
>> > I'm presuming I need to spawn a thread for the process so it doesn't
>> > block.
>>
>> Thread-on-the-brain disease? ?Why not run it as a separate process?
>> Threads are just processes that can mess each other up almost without
>> trying. ?:-/
>>
>> > Now, what I'm trying to accomplish is to have it print its output to a
>> > screen AND let me capture its output. ?I'd like to see the output.
>> > I'd also like to see the output as its processing, not capture it, and
>> > print it to screen and then write to file.
>>
>> There's an Anciente Unixe command that does this very thing, named
>> "tee". ?Just sayin'

sure.  tee would work.  But I have a nice logger library that adds
those handy timestamps.. which helps me figure out when things broke
etc.

and see if it hasn't printed anything for 3 hours.. that I can
probably kill it because it's hung.

I wanted to handle the output of the program internally in my python
code.  I've use tee before, but it's not as versatile as I'd like it
to be.

--
Samir


>>
>> --
>> I'm not proud. ?We really haven't done everything we could to
>> protect our customers ... Our products just aren't engineered
>> for security. ?-- Brian Valentine, Microsoft Senior VP
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?in charge of the Windows development team
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

From pfein at pobox.com  Thu Jul 22 22:36:44 2010
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:36:44 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Popen/subprocess/Poll Question.
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On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Samir Faci wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 09:55:24AM -0500, Samir Faci wrote:
>>>> I'm running a process that's usually takes a while.... (in the best
>>>> case scenario a few hours... going on days occasionally)
>>>> 
>>>> I'm presuming I need to spawn a thread for the process so it doesn't
>>>> block.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There's an Anciente Unixe command that does this very thing, named
>>> "tee".  Just sayin'
> 
> sure.  tee would work.  But I have a nice logger library that adds
> those handy timestamps.. which helps me figure out when things broke

Hmm, you could dup() the child's stdout to a pipe and have the parent read off it... I think that would let you do what you're trying to.  Though that's a good bit more work, as you'd need to manage the fork/exec/etc. yourself.

If the lack of timestamps on your lines is getting you down, pipe the child's output through a simple script that prepends a timestamp (awk version: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21564/is-there-a-unix-utility-to-prepend-timestamps-to-lines-of-text)

But yeah, just use tee. ;-)

From tonkinjs at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 06:22:08 2010
From: tonkinjs at yahoo.com (Jonathan Tonkin)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:22:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Several items that may be of interest to group members
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Hello,

While this may not be directly related to group topics, here are several items that may be of interest to group members.

1.) (shortest first) The Chicago Chapter of the ACM is now on Facebook and Twitter. Join our Facebook Group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=59120137059) or follow us on Twitter (username: chicagoacm).

2.) 2010 Summer Planning Meeting - July 26 

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Monday, July 26, 2010
6:30 pm

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Details and RSVP: http://www.chicagoacm.org/

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From tim.saylor at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 19:20:29 2010
From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:20:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BARcamp 2010 is around the corner
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