From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  1 23:08:09 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:08:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue for August ChiPy
Message-ID: <CANKg38sMpHe=MNm5nKxeh4j5HGbw0umUH84khYG=A55_QwFdWQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for a venue/host for our next loop meeting on Thurs.
August 11th.  Any offers?

We have had between 75-120 consistently for the last four months. We
have attracted some interesting presentations. Generally, those who
attend the meetings walk way saying they learned something and had a
good time.

Hosting is a great way to give back as well as help make your
organization known as a friend of Python. Good for HR, PR, and can be
a great time.

Please post to the list if your interested in hosting ChiPy!  This may
be the best meeting ever. Let's make it that folks!

Cheers! Brian Ray

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 18:31:00 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:31:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2012
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwpJpf2tzxO63m6TSaxLSwVCvjNeReLOoi0NE3T=RAnu1w@mail.gmail.com>

The newly refreshed PyCon website went live this morning:
http://us.pycon.org/2012/

There's already 25 sponsors on board as of launch day, which I think is a
record. If you or your company are interested in sponsoring, see
http://us.pycon.org/2012/sponsors/info/
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 20:23:10 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:23:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2012
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwpJpf2tzxO63m6TSaxLSwVCvjNeReLOoi0NE3T=RAnu1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwpJpf2tzxO63m6TSaxLSwVCvjNeReLOoi0NE3T=RAnu1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zm_eiubdyq7LZ=j7ANPbFw88AsA8PbYmXjkLxm2MJy23w@mail.gmail.com>

This is going to be the greatest pycon ever! Since the world is ending
in December we can honestly say that!

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
> The newly refreshed PyCon website went live this
> morning:?http://us.pycon.org/2012/
> There's already 25 sponsors on board as of launch day, which I think is a
> record. If you or your company are interested in sponsoring,
> see?http://us.pycon.org/2012/sponsors/info/
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Wed Aug  3 20:30:46 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:30:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2012
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zm_eiubdyq7LZ=j7ANPbFw88AsA8PbYmXjkLxm2MJy23w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwpJpf2tzxO63m6TSaxLSwVCvjNeReLOoi0NE3T=RAnu1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zm_eiubdyq7LZ=j7ANPbFw88AsA8PbYmXjkLxm2MJy23w@mail.gmail.com>
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Are there any chicago people going to this one?
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
Consultant
University of Chicago


On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> This is going to be the greatest pycon ever! Since the world is ending
> in December we can honestly say that!
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > The newly refreshed PyCon website went live this
> > morning: http://us.pycon.org/2012/
> > There's already 25 sponsors on board as of launch day, which I think is a
> > record. If you or your company are interested in sponsoring,
> > see http://us.pycon.org/2012/sponsors/info/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 20:34:25 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:34:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2012
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01woiLFg8+iL_BgVwbCEoZgT3PV4PqdZ3Ae=oL-w97-pBzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwpJpf2tzxO63m6TSaxLSwVCvjNeReLOoi0NE3T=RAnu1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zm_eiubdyq7LZ=j7ANPbFw88AsA8PbYmXjkLxm2MJy23w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01woiLFg8+iL_BgVwbCEoZgT3PV4PqdZ3Ae=oL-w97-pBzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1z=gGYMECGbpgSW3vaNN5mEj_jLLNBHJfVZMnNWSD9QH8w@mail.gmail.com>

Note my previous email didn't mean to imply anything about any other
events. It was merely a joke.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> Are there any chicago people going to this one?
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
> Consultant
> University of Chicago
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> This is going to be the greatest pycon ever! Since the world is ending
>> in December we can honestly say that!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > The newly refreshed PyCon website went live this
>> > morning:?http://us.pycon.org/2012/
>> > There's already 25 sponsors on board as of launch day, which I think is
>> > a
>> > record. If you or your company are interested in sponsoring,
>> > see?http://us.pycon.org/2012/sponsors/info/
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 20:39:36 2011
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:39:36 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2012
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1z=gGYMECGbpgSW3vaNN5mEj_jLLNBHJfVZMnNWSD9QH8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwpJpf2tzxO63m6TSaxLSwVCvjNeReLOoi0NE3T=RAnu1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zm_eiubdyq7LZ=j7ANPbFw88AsA8PbYmXjkLxm2MJy23w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01woiLFg8+iL_BgVwbCEoZgT3PV4PqdZ3Ae=oL-w97-pBzg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> Note my previous email didn't mean to imply anything about any other
> events. It was merely a joke.
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> > Are there any chicago people going to this one?
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Herman
> >
> > brianjherman.com
> > Research Assistant
> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
> > brianherman at acm.org
> > Consultant
> > University of Chicago
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> This is going to be the greatest pycon ever! Since the world is ending
> >> in December we can honestly say that!
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > The newly refreshed PyCon website went live this
> >> > morning: http://us.pycon.org/2012/
> >> > There's already 25 sponsors on board as of launch day, which I think
> is
> >> > a
> >> > record. If you or your company are interested in sponsoring,
> >> > see http://us.pycon.org/2012/sponsors/info/
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Chicago mailing list
> >> > Chicago at python.org
> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >> >
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

I'll be there come hell or high water!

Alex

-- 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
"The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
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From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 20:42:04 2011
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:42:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2012
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwpJpf2tzxO63m6TSaxLSwVCvjNeReLOoi0NE3T=RAnu1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwpJpf2tzxO63m6TSaxLSwVCvjNeReLOoi0NE3T=RAnu1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKwoybiqYQHFwx0-DxkL2PbUDOimhzfWeS5ZPW6Z+hV_H_Jp2A@mail.gmail.com>

Looking good!

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
> The newly refreshed PyCon website went live this
> morning:?http://us.pycon.org/2012/
> There's already 25 sponsors on board as of launch day, which I think is a
> record. If you or your company are interested in sponsoring,
> see?http://us.pycon.org/2012/sponsors/info/
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 15:35:00 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:35:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chipy wants You! ... to host
Message-ID: <CANKg38tLpaQXCTu2Ugf8RvZPd7xmJ6yr01fLYBZ9xxwdHGR0aw@mail.gmail.com>

Need a place to meet... or we will have to resort to some common options like..

Sully's House, good beer
TechNexus, a jewel of Chicago tech
...

On a side note, I will ping a park district executive and ask if we
can someday use the screen they use for movies in the park and hold
our meeting outside.

This *is* going to happen. We need a great vunue... please :D

-- 

Brian Ray

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 15:43:30 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:43:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chipy wants You! ... to host
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38tLpaQXCTu2Ugf8RvZPd7xmJ6yr01fLYBZ9xxwdHGR0aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tLpaQXCTu2Ugf8RvZPd7xmJ6yr01fLYBZ9xxwdHGR0aw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 08:35, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Need a place to meet... or we will have to resort to some common options
> like..
>
> Sully's House, good beer


Resorting to a location with delicious beer? Count me in.

I think we've had it at TechNexus more than enough times to head back to
Sully's for a few, or whoever else wants to host.
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From aharrin at luc.edu  Thu Aug  4 16:10:55 2011
From: aharrin at luc.edu (Andrew Harrington)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:10:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1312452002.3342.chicago@python.org>
References: <mailman.23.1312452002.3342.chicago@python.org>
Message-ID: <CAOaxTELkCJeqYkQzyDzaM-UxhPzDyefqFtE+Vi502rK26K6Z_w@mail.gmail.com>

I missed Pycon last year for the first time in many years.  I certainly plan
on going to 2012.

Andy Harrington

Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:30:46 -0500
> From: Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] PyCon 2012
> Message-ID:
>        <CAJD01woiLFg8+iL_BgVwbCEoZgT3PV4PqdZ3Ae=oL-w97-pBzg at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Are there any chicago people going to this one?
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
> Consultant
> University of Chicago
>
>
> --
Dr. Andrew N. Harrington
  Computer Science Department
  Loyola University Chicago
  512B Lewis Towers (office)
  Snail mail to Lewis Towers 416
  820 North Michigan Avenue
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http://www.cs.luc.edu/~anh
Phone: 312-915-7982
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 16:20:30 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:20:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chipy wants You! ... to host
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwr77X9gXN+W+6+LKNOeTrVbg19Zk3taTSHb7mHx6sVcog@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAD+XWwr77X9gXN+W+6+LKNOeTrVbg19Zk3taTSHb7mHx6sVcog@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 08:35, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Need a place to meet... or we will have to resort to some common options
>> like..
>>
>> Sully's House, good beer
>
> Resorting to a location with delicious beer? Count me in.
> I think we've had it at TechNexus more than enough times to head back to
> Sully's for a few, or whoever else wants to host.
>

Sometimes the attendance is lower at Sully's. Not sure why. We also
had some of the best meeting there.


-- 

Brian Ray

From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 16:27:25 2011
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:27:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chipy wants You! ... to host
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38tFBTUBgSPX1YjkmFnEEzHVX8dgDFHUTqDXXUZfhXT8fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tLpaQXCTu2Ugf8RvZPd7xmJ6yr01fLYBZ9xxwdHGR0aw@mail.gmail.com>
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My guess is that Sully's is a bit out of the way for some people.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 08:35, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Need a place to meet... or we will have to resort to some common options
>>> like..
>>>
>>> Sully's House, good beer
>>
>> Resorting to a location with delicious beer? Count me in.
>> I think we've had it at TechNexus more than enough times to head back to
>> Sully's for a few, or whoever else wants to host.
>>
>
> Sometimes the attendance is lower at Sully's. Not sure why. We also
> had some of the best meeting there.
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From heflin.rosst at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 16:58:55 2011
From: heflin.rosst at gmail.com (Ross Heflin)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:58:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chipy wants You! ... to host
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38tLpaQXCTu2Ugf8RvZPd7xmJ6yr01fLYBZ9xxwdHGR0aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tLpaQXCTu2Ugf8RvZPd7xmJ6yr01fLYBZ9xxwdHGR0aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGy=3C6To9p85whrEcecVOg0bfqaMnxukCyBJt=Nz4M_izh5kA@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW: +1 for sully's
On Aug 4, 2011 8:35 AM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Need a place to meet... or we will have to resort to some common options
like..
>
> Sully's House, good beer
> TechNexus, a jewel of Chicago tech
> ...
>
> On a side note, I will ping a park district executive and ask if we
> can someday use the screen they use for movies in the park and hold
> our meeting outside.
>
> This *is* going to happen. We need a great vunue... please :D
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From jough.dempsey at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 17:50:59 2011
From: jough.dempsey at gmail.com (Jough Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 10:50:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chipy wants You! ... to host
In-Reply-To: <CAGy=3C6To9p85whrEcecVOg0bfqaMnxukCyBJt=Nz4M_izh5kA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tLpaQXCTu2Ugf8RvZPd7xmJ6yr01fLYBZ9xxwdHGR0aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGy=3C6To9p85whrEcecVOg0bfqaMnxukCyBJt=Nz4M_izh5kA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJtt-4ssktQM5jNMgYx0vMqPowAC1=KE-Ucpy2QiHUQd8tiiXg@mail.gmail.com>

Sully's is within staggering home distance for me, so +1.

Plus, Python + hooch = best meeting ever.

- Jough


On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Ross Heflin <heflin.rosst at gmail.com> wrote:
> FWIW: +1 for sully's
>
> On Aug 4, 2011 8:35 AM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Need a place to meet... or we will have to resort to some common options
>> like..
>>
>> Sully's House, good beer
>> TechNexus, a jewel of Chicago tech
>> ...
>>
>> On a side note, I will ping a park district executive and ask if we
>> can someday use the screen they use for movies in the park and hold
>> our meeting outside.
>>
>> This *is* going to happen. We need a great vunue... please :D
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Ray
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Jough Dempsey
http://jough.com
312.576.6738 (mobile)

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Thu Aug  4 18:01:39 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 11:01:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chipy wants You! ... to host
In-Reply-To: <CAJtt-4ssktQM5jNMgYx0vMqPowAC1=KE-Ucpy2QiHUQd8tiiXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tLpaQXCTu2Ugf8RvZPd7xmJ6yr01fLYBZ9xxwdHGR0aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGy=3C6To9p85whrEcecVOg0bfqaMnxukCyBJt=Nz4M_izh5kA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJtt-4ssktQM5jNMgYx0vMqPowAC1=KE-Ucpy2QiHUQd8tiiXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wrppdKnWWTMg65iu9gFE219GOVzo2M7u27O1cNYy0B2Yg@mail.gmail.com>

I love sullys +1! Its right next to UIC.
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org



On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jough Dempsey <jough.dempsey at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sully's is within staggering home distance for me, so +1.
>
> Plus, Python + hooch = best meeting ever.
>
> - Jough
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Ross Heflin <heflin.rosst at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > FWIW: +1 for sully's
> >
> > On Aug 4, 2011 8:35 AM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Need a place to meet... or we will have to resort to some common options
> >> like..
> >>
> >> Sully's House, good beer
> >> TechNexus, a jewel of Chicago tech
> >> ...
> >>
> >> On a side note, I will ping a park district executive and ask if we
> >> can someday use the screen they use for movies in the park and hold
> >> our meeting outside.
> >>
> >> This *is* going to happen. We need a great vunue... please :D
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Brian Ray
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 18:07:39 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 11:07:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chipy wants You! ... to host
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wrppdKnWWTMg65iu9gFE219GOVzo2M7u27O1cNYy0B2Yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tLpaQXCTu2Ugf8RvZPd7xmJ6yr01fLYBZ9xxwdHGR0aw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAD+XWwoJ3_CWwbpOTHYgRaAz=gcOYmuHrLDnBKBTfrX_UoKQvw@mail.gmail.com>

On Aug 4, 2011 11:02 AM, "Brian Herman" <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
>
> I love sullys +1! Its right next to UIC.
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman

Its near North and Clybourn.
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 18:45:28 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 11:45:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chipy wants You! ... to host
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwoJ3_CWwbpOTHYgRaAz=gcOYmuHrLDnBKBTfrX_UoKQvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tLpaQXCTu2Ugf8RvZPd7xmJ6yr01fLYBZ9xxwdHGR0aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGy=3C6To9p85whrEcecVOg0bfqaMnxukCyBJt=Nz4M_izh5kA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJtt-4ssktQM5jNMgYx0vMqPowAC1=KE-Ucpy2QiHUQd8tiiXg@mail.gmail.com>
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Google +1 to sully's!


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On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> On Aug 4, 2011 11:02 AM, "Brian Herman" <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> >
> > I love sullys +1! Its right next to UIC.
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Herman
>
> Its near North and Clybourn.
>
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 20:21:20 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 13:21:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats to Massimo
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwq-q38jRTakbKunVifo4DnVWU-c3EudHW1goxY+zXRXbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwq-q38jRTakbKunVifo4DnVWU-c3EudHW1goxY+zXRXbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwq5A7sw8Tv30JxhhD4ErBOPfMtvhD6X2eSabUV+azjJ5Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 08:57, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:

> ChiPy's own Massimo DiPierro was recently elected as a member of the Python
> Software Foundation for all of his contributions to the Python community.
>
> Congratulations!
>

I knew I was forgetting something when I did this, but I think I get a pass
since he's out west for the summer and then back east soon for school...

Alex Gaynor was also recently elected to the PSF.
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Thu Aug  4 20:25:52 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 13:25:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats to Massimo
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwq5A7sw8Tv30JxhhD4ErBOPfMtvhD6X2eSabUV+azjJ5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwq-q38jRTakbKunVifo4DnVWU-c3EudHW1goxY+zXRXbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwq5A7sw8Tv30JxhhD4ErBOPfMtvhD6X2eSabUV+azjJ5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wo=HbEO6jP=EUT3vT8vWc6RH7CJoyH=s+v0x5BhW=6iSA@mail.gmail.com>

Awww well we will have to have not only a PSF party but a coming back party
also! At SULLYS!
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org



On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 08:57, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> ChiPy's own Massimo DiPierro was recently elected as a member of the
>> Python Software Foundation for all of his contributions to the Python
>> community.
>>
>> Congratulations!
>>
>
> I knew I was forgetting something when I did this, but I think I get a pass
> since he's out west for the summer and then back east soon for school...
>
> Alex Gaynor was also recently elected to the PSF.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
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From betatim at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 21:22:59 2011
From: betatim at gmail.com (Tim Head)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:22:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Kickstarter Fund to get rid of the GIL
In-Reply-To: <BF67511A-70E0-43A7-9E34-44ABEDEC4694@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <mailman.6727.1311442625.1163.chicago@python.org>
	<91452DFD-AB44-48EA-8555-25F6279B3C10@yahoo.com>
	<CAN6vQqukGJ-DjecK3xSYk-LAL_kqDL2oEEy5EH-v7Bw6irJafw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFRnB2UbmFsiaPrg_6D__YdB2bD3Gcrex_KyV0QDcrHPBxaBRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rZrc9EB3mQK53RaOgdW-aW0=ZeDGTw3JrPuXbqrQJeTXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B27DD0B6-B1C7-45F6-80B0-328034D68CE8@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAJD01wpYyEcV0BbBx53rM3cGOd5vhHLmQjH7gCqS-hwPuhXDyw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BF67511A-70E0-43A7-9E34-44ABEDEC4694@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <CAN3x1RZfmdETnaADbwt=Jp4q0qa-BOLd=fi5iQfiRPdNMSdRMA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Massimo,

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> I can (that is what I worked on most of my life) but it would be a physics
> talk not a python talk therefore not sure if chipy is the appropriate venue.
>

Are you sure? You'd have at least my +1 on this. I've spent two years
lurking on this list since I moved to Fermilab and every month I swear
I'll go to chipy but never have. If there is a physicsy talk I'd
really really would have to.

Tim


-- 
http://tim.jottit.com/

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Thu Aug  4 21:49:59 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:49:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Kickstarter Fund to get rid of the GIL
In-Reply-To: <CAN3x1RZfmdETnaADbwt=Jp4q0qa-BOLd=fi5iQfiRPdNMSdRMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6727.1311442625.1163.chicago@python.org>
	<91452DFD-AB44-48EA-8555-25F6279B3C10@yahoo.com>
	<CAN6vQqukGJ-DjecK3xSYk-LAL_kqDL2oEEy5EH-v7Bw6irJafw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFRnB2UbmFsiaPrg_6D__YdB2bD3Gcrex_KyV0QDcrHPBxaBRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rZrc9EB3mQK53RaOgdW-aW0=ZeDGTw3JrPuXbqrQJeTXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B27DD0B6-B1C7-45F6-80B0-328034D68CE8@cs.depaul.edu>
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Me too +1 +physics +python +awesome
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org



On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Tim Head <betatim at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Massimo,
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> > I can (that is what I worked on most of my life) but it would be a
> physics
> > talk not a python talk therefore not sure if chipy is the appropriate
> venue.
> >
>
> Are you sure? You'd have at least my +1 on this. I've spent two years
> lurking on this list since I moved to Fermilab and every month I swear
> I'll go to chipy but never have. If there is a physicsy talk I'd
> really really would have to.
>
> Tim
>
>
> --
> http://tim.jottit.com/
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Aug  5 18:57:38 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:57:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sully's can Host
Message-ID: <CANKg38stpLMohT0hoyTjEYaQ367hOPajup4D_dwHaRAa2VqiiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good news... Sully's can host. Unless we come up with another option I
will confirm on Monday.

Cheers, Brian

From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Aug  5 20:22:42 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:22:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sully's can Host
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38stpLMohT0hoyTjEYaQ367hOPajup4D_dwHaRAa2VqiiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38stpLMohT0hoyTjEYaQ367hOPajup4D_dwHaRAa2VqiiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rYSkjoGn1fyrJMgQkmaQtGNrS5Wg4xcphoVp+PGpg-Xig@mail.gmail.com>

Can Massimo make it to this meeting?

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good news... Sully's can host. Unless we come up with another option I
> will confirm on Monday.
>
> Cheers, Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
sheila

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Fri Aug  5 20:53:58 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:53:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sully's can Host
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rYSkjoGn1fyrJMgQkmaQtGNrS5Wg4xcphoVp+PGpg-Xig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38stpLMohT0hoyTjEYaQ367hOPajup4D_dwHaRAa2VqiiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rYSkjoGn1fyrJMgQkmaQtGNrS5Wg4xcphoVp+PGpg-Xig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E330A003-D797-4F17-BBE1-E0DA34D54ACE@cs.depaul.edu>

I will be out of the country until Aug 22. When is the meeting?

Massimo

On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:22 PM, sheila miguez wrote:

> Can Massimo make it to this meeting?
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good news... Sully's can host. Unless we come up with another option I
>> will confirm on Monday.
>> 
>> Cheers, Brian
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Aug  5 21:06:25 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:06:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sully's can Host
In-Reply-To: <E330A003-D797-4F17-BBE1-E0DA34D54ACE@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <CANKg38stpLMohT0hoyTjEYaQ367hOPajup4D_dwHaRAa2VqiiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rYSkjoGn1fyrJMgQkmaQtGNrS5Wg4xcphoVp+PGpg-Xig@mail.gmail.com>
	<E330A003-D797-4F17-BBE1-E0DA34D54ACE@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_raBRoUEHego-Bu7N=O+=k568psFmvfqTz9hvRtvQfgE1w@mail.gmail.com>

It's the 2nd thursday of the month, so you will be away. I forgot when
you were coming back.

I was thinking it would be nice if you were there while we were at
Sullies because we could treat you to some rounds.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> I will be out of the country until Aug 22. When is the meeting?
>
> Massimo
>
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:22 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
>
>> Can Massimo make it to this meeting?


-- 
sheila

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Fri Aug  5 21:13:43 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:13:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sully's can Host
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raBRoUEHego-Bu7N=O+=k568psFmvfqTz9hvRtvQfgE1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38stpLMohT0hoyTjEYaQ367hOPajup4D_dwHaRAa2VqiiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rYSkjoGn1fyrJMgQkmaQtGNrS5Wg4xcphoVp+PGpg-Xig@mail.gmail.com>
	<E330A003-D797-4F17-BBE1-E0DA34D54ACE@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAHCs_raBRoUEHego-Bu7N=O+=k568psFmvfqTz9hvRtvQfgE1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CFFF72C1-8EFA-4E3E-B7EF-E5755D312723@cs.depaul.edu>

Thanks but I think I should be treating people!. :-)
Next time. This quarter I do not teach on Thursdays.

Massimo

On Aug 5, 2011, at 2:06 PM, sheila miguez wrote:

> It's the 2nd thursday of the month, so you will be away. I forgot when
> you were coming back.
> 
> I was thinking it would be nice if you were there while we were at
> Sullies because we could treat you to some rounds.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>> I will be out of the country until Aug 22. When is the meeting?
>> 
>> Massimo
>> 
>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:22 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
>> 
>>> Can Massimo make it to this meeting?
> 
> 
> -- 
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From bherma3 at uic.edu  Fri Aug  5 21:32:25 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:32:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sully's can Host
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wqqkicgGxQYy8Q3M3qZbRjdoTy9AK2KB4ksocBgb9eYEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38stpLMohT0hoyTjEYaQ367hOPajup4D_dwHaRAa2VqiiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rYSkjoGn1fyrJMgQkmaQtGNrS5Wg4xcphoVp+PGpg-Xig@mail.gmail.com>
	<E330A003-D797-4F17-BBE1-E0DA34D54ACE@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAHCs_raBRoUEHego-Bu7N=O+=k568psFmvfqTz9hvRtvQfgE1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CFFF72C1-8EFA-4E3E-B7EF-E5755D312723@cs.depaul.edu>
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Message-ID: <CAJD01wpFWrBj6sEBaa5xVtMeQ734s-xHefAhvtY1FUH_qqexzQ@mail.gmail.com>

I mean on A thursday

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org



On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:

> On Thursday we will have a Massive party for Massimo!
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks but I think I should be treating people!. :-)
>> Next time. This quarter I do not teach on Thursdays.
>>
>> Massimo
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 2:06 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
>>
>> > It's the 2nd thursday of the month, so you will be away. I forgot when
>> > you were coming back.
>> >
>> > I was thinking it would be nice if you were there while we were at
>> > Sullies because we could treat you to some rounds.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
>> > <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>> >> I will be out of the country until Aug 22. When is the meeting?
>> >>
>> >> Massimo
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:22 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Can Massimo make it to this meeting?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > sheila
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Fri Aug  5 21:32:06 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:32:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sully's can Host
In-Reply-To: <CFFF72C1-8EFA-4E3E-B7EF-E5755D312723@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <CANKg38stpLMohT0hoyTjEYaQ367hOPajup4D_dwHaRAa2VqiiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rYSkjoGn1fyrJMgQkmaQtGNrS5Wg4xcphoVp+PGpg-Xig@mail.gmail.com>
	<E330A003-D797-4F17-BBE1-E0DA34D54ACE@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAHCs_raBRoUEHego-Bu7N=O+=k568psFmvfqTz9hvRtvQfgE1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CFFF72C1-8EFA-4E3E-B7EF-E5755D312723@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wqqkicgGxQYy8Q3M3qZbRjdoTy9AK2KB4ksocBgb9eYEw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thursday we will have a Massive party for Massimo!
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org



On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>wrote:

> Thanks but I think I should be treating people!. :-)
> Next time. This quarter I do not teach on Thursdays.
>
> Massimo
>
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 2:06 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
>
> > It's the 2nd thursday of the month, so you will be away. I forgot when
> > you were coming back.
> >
> > I was thinking it would be nice if you were there while we were at
> > Sullies because we could treat you to some rounds.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> > <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> >> I will be out of the country until Aug 22. When is the meeting?
> >>
> >> Massimo
> >>
> >> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:22 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
> >>
> >>> Can Massimo make it to this meeting?
> >
> >
> > --
> > sheila
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Fri Aug  5 21:47:28 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:47:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sully's can Host
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Let's make a deal. I bring the pizza. After all, it works well with my accent.

On Aug 5, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Brian Herman wrote:

> On Thursday we will have a Massive party for Massimo! 
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
> 
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> Thanks but I think I should be treating people!. :-)
> Next time. This quarter I do not teach on Thursdays.
> 
> Massimo
> 
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 2:06 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
> 
> > It's the 2nd thursday of the month, so you will be away. I forgot when
> > you were coming back.
> >
> > I was thinking it would be nice if you were there while we were at
> > Sullies because we could treat you to some rounds.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> > <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> >> I will be out of the country until Aug 22. When is the meeting?
> >>
> >> Massimo
> >>
> >> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:22 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
> >>
> >>> Can Massimo make it to this meeting?
> >
> >
> > --
> > sheila
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Fri Aug  5 22:02:04 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:02:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sully's can Host
In-Reply-To: <B836676D-9651-4BEB-B441-2C3B91823F93@cs.depaul.edu>
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Massimo, you already got elected to the python executive counsel or
something.
That was your treat.
Our treat is the party.

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org



On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>wrote:

> Let's make a deal. I bring the pizza. After all, it works well with my
> accent.
>
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Brian Herman wrote:
>
> On Thursday we will have a Massive party for Massimo!
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks but I think I should be treating people!. :-)
>> Next time. This quarter I do not teach on Thursdays.
>>
>> Massimo
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 2:06 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
>>
>> > It's the 2nd thursday of the month, so you will be away. I forgot when
>> > you were coming back.
>> >
>> > I was thinking it would be nice if you were there while we were at
>> > Sullies because we could treat you to some rounds.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
>> > <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>> >> I will be out of the country until Aug 22. When is the meeting?
>> >>
>> >> Massimo
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:22 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Can Massimo make it to this meeting?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > sheila
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
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> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Sat Aug  6 06:19:03 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 23:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
Message-ID: <CAJD01wp4GpPTRmgXZMFL_R=O2ZfmrB0N_VBw2ru+1GiX2U5u3g@mail.gmail.com>

http://code.mixpanel.com/2011/08/05/how-and-why-we-switched-from-erlang-to-python/

-- 
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 21:06:25 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:06:25 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Presentations
Message-ID: <03629133-CDB2-46F8-BC6A-9FBED9F87D1F@gmail.com>


Anybody got something they can present on Thurs?


From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sun Aug  7 18:46:09 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 11:46:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Jython faster than cpython in certain situations
Message-ID: <CAB3V1znfkHUU57W8ct96uKj_T856H8Xz6UdfA2czoDM1HPwYwQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://strattonbrazil.blogspot.com/b/post-preview?token=OxvtpTEBAAA.QieBCCDLnBq4rZVDaFiptw.NaNcy4OrSIZjFoiatw9RgQ&postId=7626505614148015222&type=POST
This is pretty interesting to see that jython is starting to outpace cpython.


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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Sun Aug  7 21:00:54 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 14:00:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Jython faster than cpython in certain situations
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Pypy is also in that speed test and it smokes them both.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> http://strattonbrazil.blogspot.com/b/post-preview?token=OxvtpTEBAAA.QieBCCDLnBq4rZVDaFiptw.NaNcy4OrSIZjFoiatw9RgQ&postId=7626505614148015222&type=POST
> This is pretty interesting to see that jython is starting to outpace
> cpython.
>
>
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From g at rre.tt  Sun Aug  7 23:28:36 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:28:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wp4GpPTRmgXZMFL_R=O2ZfmrB0N_VBw2ru+1GiX2U5u3g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> http://code.mixpanel.com/2011/08/05/how-and-why-we-switched-from-erlang-to-python/

I'm looking forward to the next post: "Why We Stopped Asking Interns
to Rewrite Performance Critical Systems".

>From what I can see, the only reason for the "switch" is that no one
there knew Erlang.

But that's hardly a very fun assessment. So, at the intern's expense...

"This server needs to scale, which for Python means using asynchronous I/O"

Of course this is utter nonsense. But oh, the fine puzzles that derive from it!

"string processing is very frequently the limiting factor in networked
systems because you have to serialize data every time you want to
transfer it"

That, and waiting for *really* slow things like disks and networks.
But having blazing fast string processing is a fun problem to solve.
For interns.

Not that anyone should care because "string processing" is typically
not a bottleneck, but Erlang has a C-based JSON library that's just as
fast as the other C-based JSON libraries.

"Finally, we use a few stateful, global data structures..."

I read this a couple time before concluding it was actually a troll
script from one of the talking bear videos.

"I?ve learned a lot about how to scale a real service in the couple of
weeks I?ve been here."

Oh intern, would that I could return to my own youth -- rife with
sweet, blissful ignorance.

Garrett

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 00:18:44 2011
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 17:18:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
In-Reply-To: <CACU=p6teWq=aK6mOJu1nruWKJBX1+X1HNK_7NBDonddNhb15mA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJD01wp4GpPTRmgXZMFL_R=O2ZfmrB0N_VBw2ru+1GiX2U5u3g@mail.gmail.com>
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It seems like they could have rewritten it better in Erlang. It also seems
like if they ever want to scale past 1 process running on one core they are
going to have to figure out how to share those global stateful data
structures. Language only matters so much.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> >
> http://code.mixpanel.com/2011/08/05/how-and-why-we-switched-from-erlang-to-python/
>
> I'm looking forward to the next post: "Why We Stopped Asking Interns
> to Rewrite Performance Critical Systems".
>
> >From what I can see, the only reason for the "switch" is that no one
> there knew Erlang.
>
> But that's hardly a very fun assessment. So, at the intern's expense...
>
> "This server needs to scale, which for Python means using asynchronous I/O"
>
> Of course this is utter nonsense. But oh, the fine puzzles that derive from
> it!
>
> "string processing is very frequently the limiting factor in networked
> systems because you have to serialize data every time you want to
> transfer it"
>
> That, and waiting for *really* slow things like disks and networks.
> But having blazing fast string processing is a fun problem to solve.
> For interns.
>
> Not that anyone should care because "string processing" is typically
> not a bottleneck, but Erlang has a C-based JSON library that's just as
> fast as the other C-based JSON libraries.
>
> "Finally, we use a few stateful, global data structures..."
>
> I read this a couple time before concluding it was actually a troll
> script from one of the talking bear videos.
>
> "I?ve learned a lot about how to scale a real service in the couple of
> weeks I?ve been here."
>
> Oh intern, would that I could return to my own youth -- rife with
> sweet, blissful ignorance.
>
> Garrett
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Mon Aug  8 06:20:24 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:20:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
In-Reply-To: <CAFmpWQA4xND7Q+TYROFqcXzUvhzeXtt2qhBp1N7i1T+YpuOJ7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJD01wp4GpPTRmgXZMFL_R=O2ZfmrB0N_VBw2ru+1GiX2U5u3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACU=p6teWq=aK6mOJu1nruWKJBX1+X1HNK_7NBDonddNhb15mA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmpWQA4xND7Q+TYROFqcXzUvhzeXtt2qhBp1N7i1T+YpuOJ7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wo9qeHru3Ge1L5+-d8sUsmWfJEmaizD_ER3T5iS0B+y=w@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, guys I didn't know this was a massive troll.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It seems like they could have rewritten it better in Erlang. It also seems
> like if they ever want to scale past 1 process running on one core they are
> going to have to figure out how to share those global stateful data
> structures. Language only matters so much.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> http://code.mixpanel.com/2011/08/05/how-and-why-we-switched-from-erlang-to-python/
>>
>> I'm looking forward to the next post: "Why We Stopped Asking Interns
>> to Rewrite Performance Critical Systems".
>>
>> >From what I can see, the only reason for the "switch" is that no one
>> there knew Erlang.
>>
>> But that's hardly a very fun assessment. So, at the intern's expense...
>>
>> "This server needs to scale, which for Python means using asynchronous
>> I/O"
>>
>> Of course this is utter nonsense. But oh, the fine puzzles that derive
>> from it!
>>
>> "string processing is very frequently the limiting factor in networked
>> systems because you have to serialize data every time you want to
>> transfer it"
>>
>> That, and waiting for *really* slow things like disks and networks.
>> But having blazing fast string processing is a fun problem to solve.
>> For interns.
>>
>> Not that anyone should care because "string processing" is typically
>> not a bottleneck, but Erlang has a C-based JSON library that's just as
>> fast as the other C-based JSON libraries.
>>
>> "Finally, we use a few stateful, global data structures..."
>>
>> I read this a couple time before concluding it was actually a troll
>> script from one of the talking bear videos.
>>
>> "I?ve learned a lot about how to scale a real service in the couple of
>> weeks I?ve been here."
>>
>> Oh intern, would that I could return to my own youth -- rife with
>> sweet, blissful ignorance.
>>
>> Garrett
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 06:32:50 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:32:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wo9qeHru3Ge1L5+-d8sUsmWfJEmaizD_ER3T5iS0B+y=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJD01wp4GpPTRmgXZMFL_R=O2ZfmrB0N_VBw2ru+1GiX2U5u3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACU=p6teWq=aK6mOJu1nruWKJBX1+X1HNK_7NBDonddNhb15mA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmpWQA4xND7Q+TYROFqcXzUvhzeXtt2qhBp1N7i1T+YpuOJ7g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01wo9qeHru3Ge1L5+-d8sUsmWfJEmaizD_ER3T5iS0B+y=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1znUtebEjw=ASAC6=TmH1a_Okvjfxg7OBnkageeyzOG=cw@mail.gmail.com>

Brother don't feel bad. The best trolls are ones that don't even seem
like trolls.

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On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> Sorry, guys I didn't know this was a massive troll.
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It seems like they could have rewritten it better in Erlang. It also seems
>> like if they ever want to scale past 1 process running on one core they are
>> going to have to figure out how to share those global stateful data
>> structures. Language only matters so much.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > http://code.mixpanel.com/2011/08/05/how-and-why-we-switched-from-erlang-to-python/
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to the next post: "Why We Stopped Asking Interns
>>> to Rewrite Performance Critical Systems".
>>>
>>> >From what I can see, the only reason for the "switch" is that no one
>>> there knew Erlang.
>>>
>>> But that's hardly a very fun assessment. So, at the intern's expense...
>>>
>>> "This server needs to scale, which for Python means using asynchronous
>>> I/O"
>>>
>>> Of course this is utter nonsense. But oh, the fine puzzles that derive
>>> from it!
>>>
>>> "string processing is very frequently the limiting factor in networked
>>> systems because you have to serialize data every time you want to
>>> transfer it"
>>>
>>> That, and waiting for *really* slow things like disks and networks.
>>> But having blazing fast string processing is a fun problem to solve.
>>> For interns.
>>>
>>> Not that anyone should care because "string processing" is typically
>>> not a bottleneck, but Erlang has a C-based JSON library that's just as
>>> fast as the other C-based JSON libraries.
>>>
>>> "Finally, we use a few stateful, global data structures..."
>>>
>>> I read this a couple time before concluding it was actually a troll
>>> script from one of the talking bear videos.
>>>
>>> "I?ve learned a lot about how to scale a real service in the couple of
>>> weeks I?ve been here."
>>>
>>> Oh intern, would that I could return to my own youth -- rife with
>>> sweet, blissful ignorance.
>>>
>>> Garrett
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Mon Aug  8 06:46:15 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:46:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
In-Reply-To: <CACU=p6teWq=aK6mOJu1nruWKJBX1+X1HNK_7NBDonddNhb15mA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJD01wp4GpPTRmgXZMFL_R=O2ZfmrB0N_VBw2ru+1GiX2U5u3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACU=p6teWq=aK6mOJu1nruWKJBX1+X1HNK_7NBDonddNhb15mA@mail.gmail.com>
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 06:49:30 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:49:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
In-Reply-To: <4E3F6A17.5030105@threecrickets.com>
References: <CAJD01wp4GpPTRmgXZMFL_R=O2ZfmrB0N_VBw2ru+1GiX2U5u3g@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4E3F6A17.5030105@threecrickets.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1znV9zLtr2Nx9BTU-ka_gXCvMf1nmg-zX-ZJt_oqNZ5sfA@mail.gmail.com>

I want to  crocheti a mobius strip I will have my mommy teach me.


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On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
> On 08/07/2011 04:28 PM, Garrett Smith wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
>
> http://code.mixpanel.com/2011/08/05/how-and-why-we-switched-from-erlang-to-python/
>
> I'm looking forward to the next post: "Why We Stopped Asking Interns
> to Rewrite Performance Critical Systems".
>
> Aren't we all mere "interns" in this crazy, wonderful project called "life"?
>
> Seriously, the fact that it's so hard to got competent Erlang programmers is
> a good reason to avoid it. Except that ... is the market for Python
> programmers really that much better? That "upgrade" really does ring the
> troll bell right there.
>
> When competency becomes an issue, you should go for a boring C-like
> language: C++, C#, Java. Or, if Erlang scares you, maybe it's time to ask
> yourself if it was such a good idea to take on a software development
> project in the first place.
>
> Personally, I'm considering taking up crocheting. Anybody want to join my
> ChiKnitting group? If it gets popular, we can also have ChiKnitting North
> meetings!
>
> -Tal
>
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>

From heflin.rosst at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 06:50:31 2011
From: heflin.rosst at gmail.com (Ross Heflin)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:50:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
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ye gods... not unless I'm FAR worst then I fear in my darkest of dark
days...
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From heflin.rosst at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 06:51:30 2011
From: heflin.rosst at gmail.com (Ross Heflin)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:51:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
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*worse ... thank you scotch...
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> ye gods... not unless I'm FAR worst then I fear in my darkest of dark
> days...
> On Aug 7, 2011 11:46 PM, "Tal Liron" <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
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From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:53:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 06:54:23 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:54:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
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Yea with prolog's syntax. I love scheme and lua doesn't seem that bad.


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On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
> On 08/07/2011 11:50 PM, Ross Heflin wrote:
>
> ye gods... not unless I'm FAR worst then I fear in my darkest of dark
> days...
>
> Nothing to fear. Erlang is just Lua with message passing!
>
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Mon Aug  8 07:07:22 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 00:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
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Crocheting sounds fun. Maybe when my mom gets better from her operation she
can teach me.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yea with prolog's syntax. I love scheme and lua doesn't seem that bad.
>
>
> ---Profile:---
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
> wrote:
> > On 08/07/2011 11:50 PM, Ross Heflin wrote:
> >
> > ye gods... not unless I'm FAR worst then I fear in my darkest of dark
> > days...
> >
> > Nothing to fear. Erlang is just Lua with message passing!
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 07:30:28 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 00:30:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
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> Personally, I'm considering taking up crocheting. Anybody want to join my
> ChiKnitting group? If it gets popular, we can also have ChiKnitting North
> meetings!

Don't do it, Tal. Then you will end up pulling your hair out trying to
get some decent topics for this month's meeting(s) while Herman**2 are
busy trolling your list :P

-- 

Brian Ray

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Mon Aug  8 07:36:55 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 00:36:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
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We could have a python vs erlang thing?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Personally, I'm considering taking up crocheting. Anybody want to join my
> > ChiKnitting group? If it gets popular, we can also have ChiKnitting North
> > meetings!
>
> Don't do it, Tal. Then you will end up pulling your hair out trying to
> get some decent topics for this month's meeting(s) while Herman**2 are
> busy trolling your list :P
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 07:40:11 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 00:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
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Brother really..... *Facepalm*


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On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> We could have a python vs erlang thing?
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Personally, I'm considering taking up crocheting. Anybody want to join
>> > my
>> > ChiKnitting group? If it gets popular, we can also have ChiKnitting
>> > North
>> > meetings!
>>
>> Don't do it, Tal. Then you will end up pulling your hair out trying to
>> get some decent topics for this month's meeting(s) while Herman**2 are
>> busy trolling your list :P
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Ray
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 14:44:38 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 07:44:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> We could have a python vs erlang thing?
>

You know, that is really not all that bad of an idea. I can think of
several who can present: Dan G., Garrett, ...

Folks, Erlang VS Python theme for this Thursday. Please stand up if
you can present, today. Announcement goes out tomorrow. This meeting
*will* happen and it is going to be awwwsome! We already booked
Sully's House.

As a special presentations we will be cloning the Herman twins to make
Herman cubed.

-- 

Brian Ray

From g at rre.tt  Mon Aug  8 16:25:40 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:25:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
>> We could have a python vs erlang thing?
>>
>
> You know, that is really not all that bad of an idea. I can think of
> several who can present: Dan G., Garrett, ...
>
> Folks, Erlang VS Python theme for this Thursday. Please stand up if
> you can present, today. Announcement goes out tomorrow. This meeting
> *will* happen and it is going to be awwwsome! We already booked
> Sully's House.
>
> As a special presentations we will be cloning the Herman twins to make
> Herman cubed.

This sounds great! But I'm unfortunately out of town Thurs (in Boston
for ErlangCamp).

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 17:02:46 2011
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:02:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
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I also can't make it this month.  I would be happy to try to explain
the differences and how they complement each other at another meeting.


On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> >> We could have a python vs erlang thing?
> >>
> >
> > You know, that is really not all that bad of an idea. I can think of
> > several who can present: Dan G., Garrett, ...
> >
> > Folks, Erlang VS Python theme for this Thursday. Please stand up if
> > you can present, today. Announcement goes out tomorrow. This meeting
> > *will* happen and it is going to be awwwsome! We already booked
> > Sully's House.
> >
> > As a special presentations we will be cloning the Herman twins to make
> > Herman cubed.
>
> This sounds great! But I'm unfortunately out of town Thurs (in Boston
> for ErlangCamp).
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 17:28:02 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:28:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Erlang to Python
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Ok, so perhaps next month we can make the topic Erlang and Python.
That leaves this month wide open ... lightening talks anyone.... I
think it is time we look at some standard libraries like:

 * hashlib
 * csv dialects
 * pickle
 * re
 * mail
 * inspect
 * json
 * logging
 * urllib2
 * linecache
 * glob
 * gettext
 * pyclbr

 ... we could all find one,  pick one, and present on it for 5
minutes.  We could hand out prizes for: most obscure, best
presentation, ...

Your thoughts on a "batteries included" theme?

-- 

Brian Ray

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 17:43:51 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:51 -0500
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, so perhaps next month we can make the topic Erlang and Python.
> That leaves this month wide open ... lightening talks anyone.... I
> think it is time we look at some standard libraries like:
>
> ?* hashlib
> ?* csv dialects
> ?* pickle
> ?* re
> ?* mail
> ?* inspect
> ?* json
> ?* logging
> ?* urllib2
> ?* linecache
> ?* glob
> ?* gettext
> ?* pyclbr
>
> ?... we could all find one, ?pick one, and present on it for 5
> minutes. ?We could hand out prizes for: most obscure, best
> presentation, ...
>
> Your thoughts on a "batteries included" theme?
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 17:18:44 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:18:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN August ChiPy Monthly Meeting this Thursday at 7pm
Message-ID: <CANKg38sR7SkjPu4NeJcmjyOsH6Y+GhYJ9Xa3BehpZw8jxGSOcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Chicago Python User Group
=====================

RSVP now at?http://chipy.org/

The agenda will include lightening talks by a dozen or so members.
There will be prizes (sponsors may be adding more $$$). This will be
fun and we can hang out at the convenient roof top deck right outside
the meeting to discuss more Python and (if course) the meaning of life.

Our host for the meeting is Sully's House Tap Room & Grill.  All ages
are welcome to this Free Private Event.  For those of age, Sully?s
House offer 20 Beers on tap, and 35 Bottles - all craft and
microbrewery, specializing in Belgium, Irish and German selections.
Enjoy great Bar Food & Pizza from our Italian Oven and Daily
discounted menu specials. The host has given us a dedicated
bartender.  We will meet in the private party room on the second floor
that is well equipped with top of the line video equipment ? 100? HD
screen & full A/V Nice big space,  bring a friend. Thanks Sully's!!!

This *will* be our best meeting yet.  Put this on your calendar. All
levels welcome! New to Python, welcome. Scientist, welcome. Financial
people, welcome. Curious... come watch your friends defend their favorite
module. come on up to the second floor at Sully's this Thursday.

Forward this to others!


When: 7 PM Thursday August 11th, 2011
Where:?Sully's House 1501 N. Dayton Street Chicago, Illinois 60642
Join us for the best meeting ever!

You will need to RSVP at?http://chipy.org/

RSVP Quick Links:

YES?http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/37/yes
MAYBE?http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/37/maybe


Topics
------

We have a series of timed lightening talks about standard cPython.
Currently taken modules are:

 * CSV
 * JSON

Other suggestions:

 * hashlib
 * csv dialects
 * pickle
 * re
 * mail
 * inspect
 * json
 * logging
 * urllib2
 * linecache
 * glob
 * gettext
 * pyclbr

Take One and give a quick 5 minute demo, talk, walk through,
complaint,.. whatever.  obscure finds are welcome and may win the most
obscure reward.

If you want a non-standard module or non cPython module go for
it--those in attendance will be voting they are the ones you need to
convince, not me ;)

Take your module today by email the chipy mailing list or contact me
`brian h ray (at) gmail dot com' Cheers


Location
-----------

Sully?s House Tap Room & Grill,
1501 N. Dayton St.
Chicago, Illinois   60622

At the corner of Blackhawk and Dayton http://www.sullyshouse.com/
(2) Blocks from the North & Clybourn Red Line stop. Free street
parking available.

About the group
---------------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also,
ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts
in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
ChiPy Announcement *ONLY* Mailing List:
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chipy-announce>
Python website: <http://python.org>

From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Aug  9 17:24:03 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:24:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib2
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rbdd3iY+coAkHm3N=S4yAx1HEakTrkCsAw4mv4gQj8oOQ@mail.gmail.com>

One thing that annoyed me about urllib2 was that it throws exceptions
for any status other than 200. what! I mentioned it at work and
someone showed me some code he wrote to fix that problem. So if
someone talks about urllib2, that is my complaint and I'd like to see
their take on it.

And then someone will need to email the list about it, since there is
a reading group that is competing with chipy this Thursday unless
they've canceled. Or maybe I will show up very late and bug the
urllib2 presenter at that point.

-- 
sheila

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Tue Aug  9 17:42:10 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:42:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] GIL Detector
Message-ID: <CAJD01wpX8HNfCPx5B-zckjAFUch5grZEj2s8gW82qVyPaORMNQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://uberpython.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/the-gil-detector/

-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Aug  9 18:04:01 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:04:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib2
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rbdd3iY+coAkHm3N=S4yAx1HEakTrkCsAw4mv4gQj8oOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbdd3iY+coAkHm3N=S4yAx1HEakTrkCsAw4mv4gQj8oOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rY-KA0kTEPHjzqUHbjiMddWaWTobTgCQTQx6ZFr=CsGRA@mail.gmail.com>

I mean seriously. Anything in the 200s should not cause an exception.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> for any status other than 200. what! I mentioned it at work and



-- 
sheila

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 18:07:36 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:07:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib2
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rY-KA0kTEPHjzqUHbjiMddWaWTobTgCQTQx6ZFr=CsGRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbdd3iY+coAkHm3N=S4yAx1HEakTrkCsAw4mv4gQj8oOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rY-KA0kTEPHjzqUHbjiMddWaWTobTgCQTQx6ZFr=CsGRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1znqaF1jQ4WbNJAucDSwNO61Pf-FV1-5N25Z8Ar7mZWfbA@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe you should use this instead? http://pycurl.sourceforge.net/


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On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> I mean seriously. Anything in the 200s should not cause an exception.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>> for any status other than 200. what! I mentioned it at work and
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Tue Aug  9 18:08:20 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:08:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib2
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rY-KA0kTEPHjzqUHbjiMddWaWTobTgCQTQx6ZFr=CsGRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbdd3iY+coAkHm3N=S4yAx1HEakTrkCsAw4mv4gQj8oOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rY-KA0kTEPHjzqUHbjiMddWaWTobTgCQTQx6ZFr=CsGRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01woxZ=40qbYs-BCv3j37CG0WDQMAN=s_Qa-CGeMuV6AHrg@mail.gmail.com>

We should write a patch!

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> I mean seriously. Anything in the 200s should not cause an exception.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> > for any status other than 200. what! I mentioned it at work and
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Tue Aug  9 18:10:01 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:10:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib2
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1znqaF1jQ4WbNJAucDSwNO61Pf-FV1-5N25Z8Ar7mZWfbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbdd3iY+coAkHm3N=S4yAx1HEakTrkCsAw4mv4gQj8oOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rY-KA0kTEPHjzqUHbjiMddWaWTobTgCQTQx6ZFr=CsGRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1znqaF1jQ4WbNJAucDSwNO61Pf-FV1-5N25Z8Ar7mZWfbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wp-XU3foXd2bDnRoF6WY7U_VVq9pawZfM5cHnQFmdeT9g@mail.gmail.com>

OOO that looks much better.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> Maybe you should use this instead? http://pycurl.sourceforge.net/
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> > I mean seriously. Anything in the 200s should not cause an exception.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> >> for any status other than 200. what! I mentioned it at work and
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > sheila
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 18:09:55 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:09:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib2
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01woxZ=40qbYs-BCv3j37CG0WDQMAN=s_Qa-CGeMuV6AHrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbdd3iY+coAkHm3N=S4yAx1HEakTrkCsAw4mv4gQj8oOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rY-KA0kTEPHjzqUHbjiMddWaWTobTgCQTQx6ZFr=CsGRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01woxZ=40qbYs-BCv3j37CG0WDQMAN=s_Qa-CGeMuV6AHrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zkUoTHY25+toRbDJRbzh1GY0PsJjGgxxGGR99GgnLrkMg@mail.gmail.com>

Well the patch would be just commenting out the exceptions thrown so....


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On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> We should write a patch!
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> I mean seriously. Anything in the 200s should not cause an exception.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>> > for any status other than 200. what! I mentioned it at work and
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Tue Aug  9 18:14:00 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:14:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib2
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zkUoTHY25+toRbDJRbzh1GY0PsJjGgxxGGR99GgnLrkMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbdd3iY+coAkHm3N=S4yAx1HEakTrkCsAw4mv4gQj8oOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rY-KA0kTEPHjzqUHbjiMddWaWTobTgCQTQx6ZFr=CsGRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01woxZ=40qbYs-BCv3j37CG0WDQMAN=s_Qa-CGeMuV6AHrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zkUoTHY25+toRbDJRbzh1GY0PsJjGgxxGGR99GgnLrkMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wqGymnG7oi=iK0iXXD3g+kHHF5cLSvRi_MkYM+3W0yyqw@mail.gmail.com>

No it would be like returning an error code instead of an exception. For
example if you get a 500 error it wouldnt throw the exception instead it
would give you an integer with the http error.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> Well the patch would be just commenting out the exceptions thrown so....
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> > We should write a patch!
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I mean seriously. Anything in the 200s should not cause an exception.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>
> wrote:
> >> > for any status other than 200. what! I mentioned it at work and
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> sheila
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Herman
> >
> > brianjherman.com
> > Research Assistant
> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
> > brianherman at acm.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Tue Aug  9 18:15:37 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:15:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib2
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wqGymnG7oi=iK0iXXD3g+kHHF5cLSvRi_MkYM+3W0yyqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbdd3iY+coAkHm3N=S4yAx1HEakTrkCsAw4mv4gQj8oOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rY-KA0kTEPHjzqUHbjiMddWaWTobTgCQTQx6ZFr=CsGRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01woxZ=40qbYs-BCv3j37CG0WDQMAN=s_Qa-CGeMuV6AHrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zkUoTHY25+toRbDJRbzh1GY0PsJjGgxxGGR99GgnLrkMg@mail.gmail.com>
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I meant 200 error.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:

> No it would be like returning an error code instead of an exception. For
> example if you get a 500 error it wouldnt throw the exception instead it
> would give you an integer with the http error.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Well the patch would be just commenting out the exceptions thrown so....
>>
>>
>> ---Profile:---
>> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
>> > We should write a patch!
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I mean seriously. Anything in the 200s should not cause an exception.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > for any status other than 200. what! I mentioned it at work and
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> sheila
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Thanks,
>> > Brian Herman
>> >
>> > brianjherman.com
>> > Research Assistant
>> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> > brianherman at acm.org
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>


-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Aug  9 18:31:19 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:31:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib2
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01woE4En2m+CoQgu=D1Pxupt2fiABx+mP3KX2NEWtOyNxWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbdd3iY+coAkHm3N=S4yAx1HEakTrkCsAw4mv4gQj8oOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rY-KA0kTEPHjzqUHbjiMddWaWTobTgCQTQx6ZFr=CsGRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01woxZ=40qbYs-BCv3j37CG0WDQMAN=s_Qa-CGeMuV6AHrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zkUoTHY25+toRbDJRbzh1GY0PsJjGgxxGGR99GgnLrkMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01wqGymnG7oi=iK0iXXD3g+kHHF5cLSvRi_MkYM+3W0yyqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01woE4En2m+CoQgu=D1Pxupt2fiABx+mP3KX2NEWtOyNxWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rYfse3aefth4bwO_NG_cZFFvhAaxDGONxxjWg0CR9hOzw@mail.gmail.com>

No, 200 isn't an error. Http status codes in the 200s are not errors.
An http client should not consider anything returning status 2xx as an
exception.

I'm happy with exceptions for anything outside of the 200s.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> I meant 200 error.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
>>
>> No it would be like returning an error code instead of an exception. For
>> example if you get a 500 error it wouldnt throw the exception instead it
>> would give you an integer with the http error.



-- 
sheila

From thatmattbone at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 19:50:57 2011
From: thatmattbone at gmail.com (Matt Bone)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:50:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN August ChiPy Monthly Meeting this Thursday at 7pm
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38sR7SkjPu4NeJcmjyOsH6Y+GhYJ9Xa3BehpZw8jxGSOcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sR7SkjPu4NeJcmjyOsH6Y+GhYJ9Xa3BehpZw8jxGSOcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG0VBHtZrhE6UMrw_krS5wqEd0Hmcgk9+KTtnG=QKs-yVVQyYQ@mail.gmail.com>

I will take the turtle module.

--matt

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Chicago Python User Group
> =====================
>
> RSVP now at?http://chipy.org/
>
> The agenda will include lightening talks by a dozen or so members.
> There will be prizes (sponsors may be adding more $$$). This will be
> fun and we can hang out at the convenient roof top deck right outside
> the meeting to discuss more Python and (if course) the meaning of life.
>
> Our host for the meeting is Sully's House Tap Room & Grill. ?All ages
> are welcome to this Free Private Event. ?For those of age, Sully?s
> House offer 20 Beers on tap, and 35 Bottles - all craft and
> microbrewery, specializing in Belgium, Irish and German selections.
> Enjoy great Bar Food & Pizza from our Italian Oven and Daily
> discounted menu specials. The host has given us a dedicated
> bartender. ?We will meet in the private party room on the second floor
> that is well equipped with top of the line video equipment ? 100? HD
> screen & full A/V Nice big space, ?bring a friend. Thanks Sully's!!!
>
> This *will* be our best meeting yet. ?Put this on your calendar. All
> levels welcome! New to Python, welcome. Scientist, welcome. Financial
> people, welcome. Curious... come watch your friends defend their favorite
> module. come on up to the second floor at Sully's this Thursday.
>
> Forward this to others!
>
>
> When: 7 PM Thursday August 11th, 2011
> Where:?Sully's House 1501 N. Dayton Street Chicago, Illinois 60642
> Join us for the best meeting ever!
>
> You will need to RSVP at?http://chipy.org/
>
> RSVP Quick Links:
>
> YES?http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/37/yes
> MAYBE?http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/37/maybe
>
>
> Topics
> ------
>
> We have a series of timed lightening talks about standard cPython.
> Currently taken modules are:
>
> ?* CSV
> ?* JSON
>
> Other suggestions:
>
> ?* hashlib
> ?* csv dialects
> ?* pickle
> ?* re
> ?* mail
> ?* inspect
> ?* json
> ?* logging
> ?* urllib2
> ?* linecache
> ?* glob
> ?* gettext
> ?* pyclbr
>
> Take One and give a quick 5 minute demo, talk, walk through,
> complaint,.. whatever. ?obscure finds are welcome and may win the most
> obscure reward.
>
> If you want a non-standard module or non cPython module go for
> it--those in attendance will be voting they are the ones you need to
> convince, not me ;)
>
> Take your module today by email the chipy mailing list or contact me
> `brian h ray (at) gmail dot com' Cheers
>
>
> Location
> -----------
>
> Sully?s House Tap Room & Grill,
> 1501 N. Dayton St.
> Chicago, Illinois ? 60622
>
> At the corner of Blackhawk and Dayton http://www.sullyshouse.com/
> (2) Blocks from the North & Clybourn Red Line stop. Free street
> parking available.
>
> About the group
> ---------------
>
> ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
> Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also,
> ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts
> in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.
>
> ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 19:56:41 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:56:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Alpha version of my slides for my lightning talk.
Message-ID: <CAB3V1z=D204zq3Q1DPfB54vxgwm=6svODCY3UEDsw_aijkYFBA@mail.gmail.com>

{"knowjson" : true} -
https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0AWHfMu95Txe_ZHRrNmNjY18xNDkyaHIzY3BmY2c&hl=en_US

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug  9 20:16:22 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:16:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] mini-sprint?
In-Reply-To: <CAG0VBHtZrhE6UMrw_krS5wqEd0Hmcgk9+KTtnG=QKs-yVVQyYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sR7SkjPu4NeJcmjyOsH6Y+GhYJ9Xa3BehpZw8jxGSOcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG0VBHtZrhE6UMrw_krS5wqEd0Hmcgk9+KTtnG=QKs-yVVQyYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20033.31094.251556.493886@montanaro.dyndns.org>

Just a thought, and since I generally don't come to ChiPy meetings I can't
really push the idea, but...

In a recent message about urllib2 someone suggested, "write a patch".  How
about a mini-sprint some month?  I'm not sure how you decide what to work
on.  Maybe whatever seems to scratch the most itches?

Skip

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 20:17:42 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:17:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] mini-sprint?
In-Reply-To: <20033.31094.251556.493886@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <CANKg38sR7SkjPu4NeJcmjyOsH6Y+GhYJ9Xa3BehpZw8jxGSOcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG0VBHtZrhE6UMrw_krS5wqEd0Hmcgk9+KTtnG=QKs-yVVQyYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20033.31094.251556.493886@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zmcu5trtRfkOJ3-8bWmjTGeG4=H5gkMu_i3NsYvP551Wg@mail.gmail.com>

I like sprints. We probably should have it at Sully's or somewhere
with pizza and or beer.


---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:16 PM,  <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
> Just a thought, and since I generally don't come to ChiPy meetings I can't
> really push the idea, but...
>
> In a recent message about urllib2 someone suggested, "write a patch". ?How
> about a mini-sprint some month? ?I'm not sure how you decide what to work
> on. ?Maybe whatever seems to scratch the most itches?
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 16:40:23 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:40:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Lightning Talk Topics
Message-ID: <CANKg38vAFTQXqmRUrjOR=JzdVsz=p1xCfD8z-qudS5eZSRx40A@mail.gmail.com>

Reminder, pick a topic if you want to give a short talk tomorrow. You
can see what is taken and RSVP for the meeting here: http://chipy.org

-- 

Brian Ray

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 21:45:57 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:45:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy tonight!
Message-ID: <CANKg38ufT8LY0J4r--YjB-bVRJWNZYY02mNwL1Td4rWsnzHi1g@mail.gmail.com>

It will be a great evening for the best meeting ever. If you were on
the fence about going, this will be a small group and a perfect venue
given the nice weather.

The lightening talks can be registered at the meeting and you do not
have to RSVP but can do so if you wish http://chipy.org

Best meeting every! see you at 7pm and bring a friend.

Cheers, Brian

-- 

Brian Ray

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 00:36:07 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:36:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for PyCon 2012 Speakers
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwp3WXuQSUgYjAhjFW-YVwwMes_7Rn1WfDtQ0XeeEoE-FQ@mail.gmail.com>

With PyCon 2012 efforts off to a great start, we?re looking for you,
the people of the Python community, so show us what you?ve got. Our
call for proposals (http://us.pycon.org/2012/cfp/) just went out and
we want to include you in our 2012 conference schedule, taking place
March 7-15, 2012 in Santa Clara, CA.

The call covers tutorial, talk, and poster applications, and we?re
expecting to blow the previous record of 250 applications out of the
water. Put together your best 3-hour class proposals for one of the
tutorial sessions on March 7 and 8. Submit your best talks on any
range of topics for the conference days, March 9 through 11. The
poster session will be in full swing on Sunday with a series of 4'x4'
posters and an open floor for attendees to interact with presenters.
Get your applications in early - we want to help you put together the
best proposal possible, so we?re going to work with submitters as
applications come in.

See more details and submit your talks here: http://us.pycon.org/2012/speaker/

We?re also looking for feedback from your past PyCon experiences along
with what you?re looking for in the future, by way of our 2012
Guidance Survey at
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/pycon2012_launch_survey. The attendees
make the conference, so every response we get from you makes a
difference in putting together the best conference we can.

If you or your company is interested in sponsoring PyCon, we?d love to
hear from you. Join our growing list with Diamond sponsors Google and
Dropbox, and Platinum sponsors Microsoft, Nasuni, SurveyMonkey, and
Gondor by Eldarion. CCP Games, Linode, Walt Disney Animation Studios,
Canonical, DotCloud, Loggly, Revolution Systems, ZeOmega, bitly,
ActiveState, JetBrains, Snoball, Caktus Consulting Group, and Disqus
make up our Gold sponsors. The Silver sponsors so far are 10gen,
GitHub, Olark, Wingware, net-ng, Imaginary Landscape, BigDoor, Fwix,
AG Interactive, Bitbucket, The Open Bastion, Accense Technology, Cox
Media Group, and myYearbook. See our sponsorship page at
http://us.pycon.org/2012/sponsors/ for more details.

The PyCon Organizers - http://us.pycon.org/2012
Jesse Noller - Chairman - jnoller at python.org
Brian Curtin - Publicity Coordinator - brian at python.org

From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 18:04:56 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:04:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] "Office Hours" at Social Dev Camp
Message-ID: <CANKg38uEiHh9DAZ1ewktY+oMnM-eBvA9h0JKLz1EmkkoeNvBmA@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone interested in manning a "ChiPy" booth 27th-28th at Social
Dev Camp? Duties will include sitting in a booth and, perhaps at
times, standing and/or talking to people who approach the booth.

http://2011.socialdevcampchicago.com/user-groups-office-hours-at-sdcchi/


-- 

Brian Ray

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 21:07:06 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:07:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Walking a class tree using dir
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zkOO5tXXm3U4cMqQ=dhT6sDRUeXvvh=HVi=ASXX05UtgA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any utility that will walk through the class tree? What I
mean as follows

Given an input of a class. Lets call it Idiot
Idiot has three subclasses. Dunce , Troll and __init__
Dunce and Troll both have associated methods also.


The output would be such

idiot --> Dunce, Troll
Dunce --> Talk
Troll -> Make fun of python listserv

Is there a python program that would walk it for me and generate a
graph or a text output of all the dir's



---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Tue Aug 16 23:47:17 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:47:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] "Office Hours" at Social Dev Camp
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38uEiHh9DAZ1ewktY+oMnM-eBvA9h0JKLz1EmkkoeNvBmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uEiHh9DAZ1ewktY+oMnM-eBvA9h0JKLz1EmkkoeNvBmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wrNSDG=QhE-VqvOJaT0fejN3Dr05C7m_b4dmM519SGSSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds fun!

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is anyone interested in manning a "ChiPy" booth 27th-28th at Social
> Dev Camp? Duties will include sitting in a booth and, perhaps at
> times, standing and/or talking to people who approach the booth.
>
> http://2011.socialdevcampchicago.com/user-groups-office-hours-at-sdcchi/
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 01:28:09 2011
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:28:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Walking a class tree using dir
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zkOO5tXXm3U4cMqQ=dhT6sDRUeXvvh=HVi=ASXX05UtgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zkOO5tXXm3U4cMqQ=dhT6sDRUeXvvh=HVi=ASXX05UtgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKwoybi9JNioMxTM5gzNZ2QFagHwBcnqNHpbkrYK2Fejt2Laqw@mail.gmail.com>

Not that I'm aware of.  But this would be a good exercise for
learning, or rather trivial for most intermediate pythoners.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there any utility that will walk through the class tree? What I
> mean as follows
>
> Given an input of a class. Lets call it Idiot
> Idiot has three subclasses. Dunce , Troll and __init__
> Dunce and Troll both have associated methods also.
>
>
> The output would be such
>
> idiot --> Dunce, Troll
> Dunce --> Talk
> Troll -> Make fun of python listserv
>
> Is there a python program that would walk it for me and generate a
> graph or a text output of all the dir's
>
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 02:52:23 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:52:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Walking a class tree using dir
In-Reply-To: <CAKwoybi9JNioMxTM5gzNZ2QFagHwBcnqNHpbkrYK2Fejt2Laqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zkOO5tXXm3U4cMqQ=dhT6sDRUeXvvh=HVi=ASXX05UtgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKwoybi9JNioMxTM5gzNZ2QFagHwBcnqNHpbkrYK2Fejt2Laqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1z=3qHfoJ8L7Ee9hdOnJTsOAasSbFukVGie+4eCFEaLSeg@mail.gmail.com>

I would think it would be useful so I could get like a UML diagram of
all of the python methods etc...


---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not that I'm aware of. ?But this would be a good exercise for
> learning, or rather trivial for most intermediate pythoners.
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is there any utility that will walk through the class tree? What I
>> mean as follows
>>
>> Given an input of a class. Lets call it Idiot
>> Idiot has three subclasses. Dunce , Troll and __init__
>> Dunce and Troll both have associated methods also.
>>
>>
>> The output would be such
>>
>> idiot --> Dunce, Troll
>> Dunce --> Talk
>> Troll -> Make fun of python listserv
>>
>> Is there a python program that would walk it for me and generate a
>> graph or a text output of all the dir's
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Profile:---
>> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Aug 17 03:12:18 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:12:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Walking a class tree using dir
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1z=3qHfoJ8L7Ee9hdOnJTsOAasSbFukVGie+4eCFEaLSeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zkOO5tXXm3U4cMqQ=dhT6sDRUeXvvh=HVi=ASXX05UtgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKwoybi9JNioMxTM5gzNZ2QFagHwBcnqNHpbkrYK2Fejt2Laqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1z=3qHfoJ8L7Ee9hdOnJTsOAasSbFukVGie+4eCFEaLSeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSjjbUnvBb9kMiQWZGXW_SDZkURSvsSrY5-_Y8yN3bONhA@mail.gmail.com>

Related to this subject:

http://python.mirocommunity.org/video/4393/pyohio-2011-squinting-at-pytho

"""
Squinting at Python Objects

Presented by Brandon Craig Rhodes

Python classes can gain attributes as if by magic. Thanks to
properties, descriptors, and (if all else fails) __getattr__() and
__getattribute__(), the attempt to access obj.something can result in
arbitrary code execution. If you are wondering how your Python program
is using memory, this can result in a problem: each time you look to
see if something is there, it is, because it is pulled in dynamically
the moment you look for it. In this talk, you will learn how to prod
Python objects gently, and hopefully learn their secrets - and their
memory usage - without actually invoking code.
"""


On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would think it would be useful so I could get like a UML diagram of
> all of the python methods etc...
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Not that I'm aware of. ?But this would be a good exercise for
>> learning, or rather trivial for most intermediate pythoners.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Is there any utility that will walk through the class tree? What I
>>> mean as follows
>>>
>>> Given an input of a class. Lets call it Idiot
>>> Idiot has three subclasses. Dunce , Troll and __init__
>>> Dunce and Troll both have associated methods also.
>>>
>>>
>>> The output would be such
>>>
>>> idiot --> Dunce, Troll
>>> Dunce --> Talk
>>> Troll -> Make fun of python listserv
>>>
>>> Is there a python program that would walk it for me and generate a
>>> graph or a text output of all the dir's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---Profile:---
>>> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Carl K

From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 03:22:04 2011
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:22:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Walking a class tree using dir
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1z=3qHfoJ8L7Ee9hdOnJTsOAasSbFukVGie+4eCFEaLSeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zkOO5tXXm3U4cMqQ=dhT6sDRUeXvvh=HVi=ASXX05UtgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKwoybi9JNioMxTM5gzNZ2QFagHwBcnqNHpbkrYK2Fejt2Laqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1z=3qHfoJ8L7Ee9hdOnJTsOAasSbFukVGie+4eCFEaLSeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKwoybhFgFobf_sKPwGE2s9BwDbu4yg4iZQsC59KtKbKyWjAEA@mail.gmail.com>

Ohhh, you want something more visual.

Yeah, that would be fun.  Personally I would make something that
created a json dump, and then render it in HTML, it would be easy to
explore things / documentation, etc.

Hell you could even have it update live as your changing things.  Now
that would be neat.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would think it would be useful so I could get like a UML diagram of
> all of the python methods etc...
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Not that I'm aware of. ?But this would be a good exercise for
>> learning, or rather trivial for most intermediate pythoners.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Is there any utility that will walk through the class tree? What I
>>> mean as follows
>>>
>>> Given an input of a class. Lets call it Idiot
>>> Idiot has three subclasses. Dunce , Troll and __init__
>>> Dunce and Troll both have associated methods also.
>>>
>>>
>>> The output would be such
>>>
>>> idiot --> Dunce, Troll
>>> Dunce --> Talk
>>> Troll -> Make fun of python listserv
>>>
>>> Is there a python program that would walk it for me and generate a
>>> graph or a text output of all the dir's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---Profile:---
>>> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Aug 17 15:35:03 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:35:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Walking a class tree using dir
In-Reply-To: <CAKwoybi9JNioMxTM5gzNZ2QFagHwBcnqNHpbkrYK2Fejt2Laqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zkOO5tXXm3U4cMqQ=dhT6sDRUeXvvh=HVi=ASXX05UtgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKwoybi9JNioMxTM5gzNZ2QFagHwBcnqNHpbkrYK2Fejt2Laqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20043.50055.305255.761653@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> Is there any utility that will walk through the class tree? What I
    >> mean as follows

Have you looked at the standard module pyclbr?  Been around for a coon's
age.  Note also that, in general, a class does not know its subclasses.  You
need to build the inheritance graph bottom up.

Skip

From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Aug 17 16:08:18 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:08:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Walking a class tree using dir
In-Reply-To: <20043.50055.305255.761653@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <CAB3V1zkOO5tXXm3U4cMqQ=dhT6sDRUeXvvh=HVi=ASXX05UtgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKwoybi9JNioMxTM5gzNZ2QFagHwBcnqNHpbkrYK2Fejt2Laqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20043.50055.305255.761653@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSih2OPX3Dmf1GQnXKUKj3Pn5OCvb=5h-ow5JRroTxgg-Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:35 AM,  <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> ? ?>> Is there any utility that will walk through the class tree? What I
> ? ?>> mean as follows
>
> Have you looked at the standard module pyclbr? ?Been around for a coon's
> age. ?Note also that, in general, a class does not know its subclasses. ?You
> need to build the inheritance graph bottom up.

Start with locals() and go down, then the root of the tree will end up
at the bottom, were tree roots are normally found :)

-- 
Carl K

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Aug 17 16:28:30 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:28:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Walking a class tree using dir
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSih2OPX3Dmf1GQnXKUKj3Pn5OCvb=5h-ow5JRroTxgg-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zkOO5tXXm3U4cMqQ=dhT6sDRUeXvvh=HVi=ASXX05UtgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKwoybi9JNioMxTM5gzNZ2QFagHwBcnqNHpbkrYK2Fejt2Laqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20043.50055.305255.761653@montanaro.dyndns.org>
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    Carl> Start with locals() and go down, then the root of the tree will
    Carl> end up at the bottom, were tree roots are normally found :)

Right.  I never saw the orignal request, so I don't know what the OP's
defined setup was, but if you have a module M which defines class C and
another module N when defines class D, a subclass of C, the code is going to
have to poke around in multiple files looking for D->C references.  The
inspect module might well come in handy as well.

Skip

From dave at dabeaz.com  Thu Aug 18 20:23:35 2011
From: dave at dabeaz.com (David Beazley)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:23:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learn Python - Hack City Data - Aug 31-Sep 2
Message-ID: <179996EE-E466-444B-A4B3-1F15A329D997@dabeaz.com>

Chipy,

Just a quick note that there are still few slots in my "Practical Python (Chicago Edition)" course scheduled for the end of August.  Details at:

               http://www.dabeaz.com/chicago/index.html

This is an experimental three day class that should be a lot of fun for any Chicago resident that attends.   Basically, it's a mashup of my normal Python class with a set of hands-on exercises that do all sorts of things with data available on the City of Chicago Data Portal (http://data.cityofchicago.org).   So, you'll learn a bunch of Python along with important day-to-day information such as places you can park your fixie that are relatively free of big rats.   I think it will be cool--plus it's super cheap ;-).

Cheers,
Dave


From steder at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 23:21:00 2011
From: steder at gmail.com (Michael Steder)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:21:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Walking a class tree using dir
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zkOO5tXXm3U4cMqQ=dhT6sDRUeXvvh=HVi=ASXX05UtgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zkOO5tXXm3U4cMqQ=dhT6sDRUeXvvh=HVi=ASXX05UtgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32666DA8-2142-41B0-B91E-6B5B417231E6@gmail.com>

You could do it with `dir` but that seems unnecessary.  Have you tried using cls.mro()?

import idiot
for base in idiot.Idiot.mro():
    print "%s: %s"%(base.__name__, base.__dict__.keys()) 

~Mike

On Aug 16, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Joshua Herman wrote:

> Is there any utility that will walk through the class tree? What I
> mean as follows
> 
> Given an input of a class. Lets call it Idiot
> Idiot has three subclasses. Dunce , Troll and __init__
> Dunce and Troll both have associated methods also.
> 
> 
> The output would be such
> 
> idiot --> Dunce, Troll
> Dunce --> Talk
> Troll -> Make fun of python listserv
> 
> Is there a python program that would walk it for me and generate a
> graph or a text output of all the dir's
> 
> 
> 
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Wed Aug 24 18:25:35 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:25:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>

Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
easy C representation. It is also schemaless


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From dan at streemit.net  Wed Aug 24 18:30:46 2011
From: dan at streemit.net (Dan M)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:30:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 08/24/2011 11:25 AM, Joshua Herman wrote:
> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
> easy C representation. It is also schemaless
>
>
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I'd be interested.

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Aug 25 01:24:47 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 18:24:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSgc7H3MChOKY9KfLLdEsFk29XbBEJpbJupmXyMCzDCnVg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Joshua Herman
<zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
> easy C representation. It is also schemaless

Where's the python?

-- 
Carl K

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 03:07:11 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:07:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSgc7H3MChOKY9KfLLdEsFk29XbBEJpbJupmXyMCzDCnVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADmzSSgc7H3MChOKY9KfLLdEsFk29XbBEJpbJupmXyMCzDCnVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zmQSPE9f0tOvCmJ7MeDNzX1trQuXo6eBdkJSCp8h3fR6A@mail.gmail.com>

Good point Carl http://pypi.python.org/pypi/bson/0.3.2


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On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Joshua Herman
> <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
>> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
>> easy C representation. It is also schemaless
>
> Where's the python?
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
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>

From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Thu Aug 25 14:20:17 2011
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:20:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zmQSPE9f0tOvCmJ7MeDNzX1trQuXo6eBdkJSCp8h3fR6A@mail.gmail.com>
	(Joshua Herman's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:07:11 -0500")
References: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADmzSSgc7H3MChOKY9KfLLdEsFk29XbBEJpbJupmXyMCzDCnVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zmQSPE9f0tOvCmJ7MeDNzX1trQuXo6eBdkJSCp8h3fR6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87liuhn0n2.fsf@grumps.lan>

I'd be interested in a talk.

Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> writes:

> Good point Carl http://pypi.python.org/pypi/bson/0.3.2
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Joshua Herman
>> <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
>>> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
>>> easy C representation. It is also schemaless
>>
>> Where's the python?
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

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From sal at spoton.com  Thu Aug 25 15:42:29 2011
From: sal at spoton.com (Sal Lara)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:42:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6770285229769694029@unknownmsgid>

I would definitely be interested. But as Carl pointed out, as long as
it ties back into Python. I'm a junior dev at a MongoDB/Python shop
and MongoDB is BSON-based, and we use the pymongo library to talk to
it, so this is actually very interesting to me.

Sal Lara

Sent from my iPod


On Aug 24, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:

> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
> easy C representation. It is also schemaless
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 15:47:42 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:47:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
> easy C representation. It is also schemaless


If the talk is about implementation and whatnot, mostly involving Python,
I'd say yes. If it's about how to import it and how to call the documented
functions of the API, I'll be that guy and say -1.
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 16:07:26 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:07:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
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Yea I would probably have a small part of what BSON is and then how to use it.


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On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
>> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
>> easy C representation. It is also schemaless
>
> If the talk is about implementation and whatnot, mostly involving Python,
> I'd say yes. If it's about how to import it and how to call the documented
> functions of the API, I'll be that guy and say -1.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From jough.dempsey at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 16:22:46 2011
From: jough.dempsey at gmail.com (Jough Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:22:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zkYqqymdU2=MzbVjFxoPgt2nd-WM0Y+R8D1B9Z7sHiR0A@mail.gmail.com>
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I'd be interested in it, although I think they really missed an
opportunity by not calling it "BiSON" which would be easier to
pronounce.  B-SAHN sounds like an alien race on Star Trek (one of the
later, crappier series, not TOS or TNG).

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yea I would probably have a small part of what BSON is and then how to use it.
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
>>> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
>>> easy C representation. It is also schemaless
>>
>> If the talk is about implementation and whatnot, mostly involving Python,
>> I'd say yes. If it's about how to import it and how to call the documented
>> functions of the API, I'll be that guy and say -1.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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http://jough.com
312.576.6738 (mobile)

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 23:28:16 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:28:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zkYqqymdU2=MzbVjFxoPgt2nd-WM0Y+R8D1B9Z7sHiR0A@mail.gmail.com>
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Okay so I'm guessing the breakdown of the presentation would be like this
5 minutes What is BSON
5 minutes how to use BSON
10 minutes BSON internals probably I might have to create a toy BSON
implementation.


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On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yea I would probably have a small part of what BSON is and then how to use it.
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
>>> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
>>> easy C representation. It is also schemaless
>>
>> If the talk is about implementation and whatnot, mostly involving Python,
>> I'd say yes. If it's about how to import it and how to call the documented
>> functions of the API, I'll be that guy and say -1.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>

From maney at two14.net  Thu Aug 25 23:31:43 2011
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:31:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CAJtt-4uKTb2uzEZVLTT11nR2BgJZpmipziLuQ1iUS4PL2Ld_NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:22:46AM -0500, Jough Dempsey wrote:
> I'd be interested in it, although I think they really missed an
> opportunity by not calling it "BiSON" which would be easier to

NameConflict: bison is a parser generator

Besides, it's an acronym, modeled on another related acronym.

I could go along with the -1.  A lot of what makes JSON so interesting
is that it's NOT binary gloop.  But there's not a chance in hell (that
would be a PHP sweatshop, no?) I'll be there, so don't count it.  :-)

-- 
Trouble rather the tiger in his lair than the sage among his books.
For to you kingdoms and their armies are things mighty and enduring,
but to him they are but toys of the moment,
to be overturned with the flick of a finger. --  Gordon Dickson


From bherma3 at uic.edu  Fri Aug 26 05:50:53 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:50:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CAJtt-4uKTb2uzEZVLTT11nR2BgJZpmipziLuQ1iUS4PL2Ld_NQ@mail.gmail.com>
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In my opinion making a object serialization that sounds like startrek seems
like a great idea given all the trekies that are programmers.
I mean people that use BSAHN probably love the fact it sounds like an alien
race on Star Trek.

I am also really interested on how this ties into mongodb.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Jough Dempsey <jough.dempsey at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'd be interested in it, although I think they really missed an
> opportunity by not calling it "BiSON" which would be easier to
> pronounce.  B-SAHN sounds like an alien race on Star Trek (one of the
> later, crappier semries, not TOS or TNG).
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Yea I would probably have a small part of what BSON is and then how to
> use it.
> >
> >
> > ---Profile:---
> > http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
> >>> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
> >>> easy C representation. It is also schemaless
> >>
> >> If the talk is about implementation and whatnot, mostly involving
> Python,
> >> I'd say yes. If it's about how to import it and how to call the
> documented
> >> functions of the API, I'll be that guy and say -1.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>
>
>
> --
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Fri Aug 26 06:27:39 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:27:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python2.7 in your browser
Message-ID: <CAJD01wpa_ZAYQ=dS6LUgAPEfv-Npw+Jxkre1bM85tVgFZ9o_qw@mail.gmail.com>

Ok so some guy got python 2.7 to compile on llvm.
With llvm you can get that to compile to javascript.
<http://www.trypython.org/>
http://gumbyapp.com/

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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Fri Aug 26 06:30:11 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:30:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
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From vceder at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 16:13:14 2011
From: vceder at gmail.com (Vern Ceder)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:13:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python job opening
Message-ID: <CAAdq-khR07QOJKCMBPibS7dPm24MOoxtk0Jw58oXMsciBH4XYg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

We (Zoro Tools in Mundelein) are looking to add a Python developer to our
small team. This position would be largely involved in database wrangling
(MySQL and NoSQL), backend web server coding in Python, connecting various
cloud based SOAP services, Netsuite administration, and the like. This is a
somewhat junior position, so we're not demanding a ton of prior experience
and we're willing to train the right person in those areas if needed.

What we have:
* a small, talented team, with no bureaucracy
* a bunch of interesting problems, ripe for the picking, and the chance to
help decide how to solve them
* excellent benefits and competitive salary
* a grill and monthly cookouts

What we don't have:
* a corporate dress code
* a gym (although we do have half an empty warehouse)
* a fashionable address in the Loop :(

Email me if you have any interest or questions (or even to send a resume)
and I'll be happy to answer them or put you in touch with our recruiter,
Jennifer Briscoe. Or you can contact her directly at
jennifer.briscoe at zorotools.com

Cheers,
Vern Ceder
(Lead Developer, Zoro Tools, Inc.)


--
Vern Ceder
vceder at gmail.com, vceder at dogsinmotion.com
The Quick Python Book, 2nd Ed - http://bit.ly/bRsWDW
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From cmwelchfl at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 19:35:06 2011
From: cmwelchfl at gmail.com (Casey Welch)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:35:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python job opening
In-Reply-To: <CAAdq-khR07QOJKCMBPibS7dPm24MOoxtk0Jw58oXMsciBH4XYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAdq-khR07QOJKCMBPibS7dPm24MOoxtk0Jw58oXMsciBH4XYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN-6S04nz7EfFhb+E69XJPApGS6uOt22QWuvsq6cKNBJsf0ODg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Vern,

I was responding to your Chipy post. I was curious what level of developer
you were looking for to add to your team. I don't have any professional
experience at the moment, but I have been studying
python intermittently with Java. I'm at a fairly novice point in
programming, but I have been working with SQL as well. Would you have any
use for an intern?

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Vern Ceder <vceder at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> We (Zoro Tools in Mundelein) are looking to add a Python developer to our
> small team. This position would be largely involved in database wrangling
> (MySQL and NoSQL), backend web server coding in Python, connecting various
> cloud based SOAP services, Netsuite administration, and the like. This is a
> somewhat junior position, so we're not demanding a ton of prior experience
> and we're willing to train the right person in those areas if needed.
>
> What we have:
> * a small, talented team, with no bureaucracy
> * a bunch of interesting problems, ripe for the picking, and the chance to
> help decide how to solve them
> * excellent benefits and competitive salary
> * a grill and monthly cookouts
>
> What we don't have:
> * a corporate dress code
> * a gym (although we do have half an empty warehouse)
> * a fashionable address in the Loop :(
>
> Email me if you have any interest or questions (or even to send a resume)
> and I'll be happy to answer them or put you in touch with our recruiter,
> Jennifer Briscoe. Or you can contact her directly at
> jennifer.briscoe at zorotools.com
>
> Cheers,
> Vern Ceder
> (Lead Developer, Zoro Tools, Inc.)
>
>
> --
> Vern Ceder
> vceder at gmail.com, vceder at dogsinmotion.com
> The Quick Python Book, 2nd Ed - http://bit.ly/bRsWDW
>
>
>
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> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 20:04:31 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:04:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python job opening
In-Reply-To: <CAAdq-khR07QOJKCMBPibS7dPm24MOoxtk0Jw58oXMsciBH4XYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAdq-khR07QOJKCMBPibS7dPm24MOoxtk0Jw58oXMsciBH4XYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74077859-FC4B-4353-9483-47C80164F3C5@gmail.com>

Nice post.

Btw, would Zoro be interested in hosting a future ChiPy north meeting?

Cheers, Brian
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From cmwelchfl at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 20:08:36 2011
From: cmwelchfl at gmail.com (Casey Welch)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:08:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python job opening
In-Reply-To: <74077859-FC4B-4353-9483-47C80164F3C5@gmail.com>
References: <CAAdq-khR07QOJKCMBPibS7dPm24MOoxtk0Jw58oXMsciBH4XYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<74077859-FC4B-4353-9483-47C80164F3C5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN-6S0412FxagY-9JmtVnoK2YMR1Jz7Un5x=FSo6vFR2-r=wOg@mail.gmail.com>

sorry didn't mean to clog the group convo with my personal email.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nice post.
>
> Btw, would Zoro be interested in hosting a future ChiPy north meeting?
>
> Cheers, Brian
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 20:15:45 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:15:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python job opening
In-Reply-To: <CAN-6S0412FxagY-9JmtVnoK2YMR1Jz7Un5x=FSo6vFR2-r=wOg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ED2205AF-4DD8-4862-AD3B-DC0F35AB32D3@gmail.com>

No worries, happens all the time.

From japhy at pearachute.com  Thu Aug 25 16:47:22 2011
From: japhy at pearachute.com (Japhy Bartlett)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:47:22 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CAJtt-4uKTb2uzEZVLTT11nR2BgJZpmipziLuQ1iUS4PL2Ld_NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwoOsDay2KgcWNvGZEpyHSC=guMADMudVPgUVc-xuRDUow@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <A280CFDD-4E48-4123-AFCF-D149F80E5A55@pearachute.com>

Does anyone use it for anything other than Mongo?


On Aug 25, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Jough Dempsey <jough.dempsey at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> I'd be interested in it, although I think they really missed an
> opportunity by not calling it "BiSON" which would be easier to
> pronounce.  B-SAHN sounds like an alien race on Star Trek (one of the
> later, crappier series, not TOS or TNG).
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>> Yea I would probably have a small part of what BSON is and then how  
>> to use it.
>>
>>
>> ---Profile:---
>> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Brian Curtin  
>> <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com 
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
>>>> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability  
>>>> and
>>>> easy C representation. It is also schemaless
>>>
>>> If the talk is about implementation and whatnot, mostly involving  
>>> Python,
>>> I'd say yes. If it's about how to import it and how to call the  
>>> documented
>>> functions of the API, I'll be that guy and say -1.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Jough Dempsey
> http://jough.com
> 312.576.6738 (mobile)
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Sat Aug 27 06:32:44 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:32:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python with atomic threads kind of STM
Message-ID: <CAJD01wp6QwSz+muzy18SW9qdG4H=2JQcCWFL5YawW8oL+nu95g@mail.gmail.com>

https://bitbucket.org/arigo/cpython-withatomic/overview

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 06:34:39 2011
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:34:39 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Python with atomic threads kind of STM
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wp6QwSz+muzy18SW9qdG4H=2JQcCWFL5YawW8oL+nu95g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJD01wp6QwSz+muzy18SW9qdG4H=2JQcCWFL5YawW8oL+nu95g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFRnB2X5AU=2h4zAUZUud60i_z-jqyViExm1wc9cfqK9wNJeCA@mail.gmail.com>

Thread on the pypy mailing list where armin describes what's going on:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pypy-dev/2011-August/008153.html

Alex

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:

> https://bitbucket.org/arigo/cpython-withatomic/overview
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Sat Aug 27 09:19:27 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 02:19:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 15:23:52 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:23:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <4E589A7F.1080706@threecrickets.com>
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	<CAJtt-4uKTb2uzEZVLTT11nR2BgJZpmipziLuQ1iUS4PL2Ld_NQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Okay, well I'm in school so I think I will see if I have time to
prepare a presentation. Thanks everyone for their input.


---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
> I do! Well, it's more that I appreciate the extended JSON notation as a way
> to add type information to it when it doesn't include any in the basic spec.
> For example, sending extended JSON from server to client with information
> about dates. If you have mechanism in place to unpack it, you're good, even
> if the data doesn't originally come from MongoDB.
>
> I don't use BSON directly, but it would just as useful if you need to
> transfer JSON between two node, or store a lot of JSON data. BSON would save
> you bandwidth.
>
> -Tal
>
> On 08/25/2011 09:47 AM, Japhy Bartlett wrote:
>
> Does anyone use it for anything other than Mongo?
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Jough Dempsey <jough.dempsey at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd be interested in it, although I think they really missed an
> opportunity by not calling it "BiSON" which would be easier to
> pronounce.? B-SAHN sounds like an alien race on Star Trek (one of the
> later, crappier series, not TOS or TNG).
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yea I would probably have a small part of what BSON is and then how to use
> it.
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
> easy C representation. It is also schemaless
>
> If the talk is about implementation and whatnot, mostly involving Python,
> I'd say yes. If it's about how to import it and how to call the documented
> functions of the API, I'll be that guy and say -1.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jough Dempsey
> http://jough.com
> 312.576.6738 (mobile)
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From brianhray at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 20:56:43 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Booth at Social Dev Camp
Message-ID: <CANKg38vaAHwYrJn8wtVmtGgk6NQ26VaHoCaOuk17gFnTPDS5Fg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for those helping with the ChiPy boot at Social Dev camp today.

Just look for the sign that reads, "Best meetings ever, even better
than this one!"

We are all set up and will be here from 2-4 today. Stop in and say hello.

Brian

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 21:11:32 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 14:11:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+VOWAGwL9uvJpSm-oc=eSH4VPcTTJGbCNA-DHKrVc33HsZ5oQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Joshua Herman
<zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
> easy C representation. It is also schemaless

Disadvantages: you can't read it while trying to debug your web page.
Seriously, this would be a big deal for me. I'd have to be convinced
that the binary format is smaller than a gzipped JSON response. But as
Tal said maybe the advantages are more in its data structuring
flexibility. Sounds interesting nonetheless, +1 for a talk.

>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Sun Aug 28 03:23:19 2011
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:23:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CA+VOWAGwL9uvJpSm-oc=eSH4VPcTTJGbCNA-DHKrVc33HsZ5oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(Kumar McMillan's message of "Sat, 27 Aug 2011 14:11:32 -0500")
References: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+VOWAGwL9uvJpSm-oc=eSH4VPcTTJGbCNA-DHKrVc33HsZ5oQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87d3fqgwhk.fsf@grumps.lan>

I've wondered if the serialization / deserialization might be somewhat
faster, which could be useful if you're using bson over json in
simple-message passing in something like a multi-process actor model.  I
haven't done those benchmarks but I'd love to see the results.

Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Joshua Herman
> <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
>> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
>> easy C representation. It is also schemaless
>
> Disadvantages: you can't read it while trying to debug your web page.
> Seriously, this would be a big deal for me. I'd have to be convinced
> that the binary format is smaller than a gzipped JSON response. But as
> Tal said maybe the advantages are more in its data structuring
> flexibility. Sounds interesting nonetheless, +1 for a talk.
>
>>
>>
>> ---Profile:---
>> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

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From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 03:28:56 2011
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:28:56 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <87d3fqgwhk.fsf@grumps.lan>
References: <CAB3V1zmQjOnO0ELAsAG4txKPULKwFJc4cvZBZwC26x8W8kr0mA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+VOWAGwL9uvJpSm-oc=eSH4VPcTTJGbCNA-DHKrVc33HsZ5oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d3fqgwhk.fsf@grumps.lan>
Message-ID: <CAFRnB2ULu2qByfcjA09BSMt9HKsnaFYUtQKFid6G2rPXSLA3ng@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Christopher Allan Webber <
cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:

> I've wondered if the serialization / deserialization might be somewhat
> faster, which could be useful if you're using bson over json in
> simple-message passing in something like a multi-process actor model.  I
> haven't done those benchmarks but I'd love to see the results.
>
> Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Joshua Herman
> > <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Would anyone be interested in a talk about this ? http://bsonspec.org/
> >> Its a binary version of JSON. The advantages are fast scanability and
> >> easy C representation. It is also schemaless
> >
> > Disadvantages: you can't read it while trying to debug your web page.
> > Seriously, this would be a big deal for me. I'd have to be convinced
> > that the binary format is smaller than a gzipped JSON response. But as
> > Tal said maybe the advantages are more in its data structuring
> > flexibility. Sounds interesting nonetheless, +1 for a talk.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> ---Profile:---
> >> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>
> --
> ??????????? ????? ??????
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

If done right (and I haven't looked at it at all) it almost certainly could
be faster (or at least a binary version of JSON could be).  For example you
could do something like at the start of each JSON string, encode the number
of bytes it'll take.  Then a deserializer could just allocate a string of
the right length and memcpy, right now they have to scan the string looking
for the end (taking into account escapes, funny unicode business, and
whatever else) and then do a second pass to actually copy the data.  ints
and floats can be much more efficiently encoded, reading them becomes a
simple reinterpretation of memory, rather than an actual parse.  And I'm
sure there are other ways.

Of course this all assumes it's a sensibly designed binary format, with a
decent deserializer.  Mileage may very, this doesn't constitute legal,
medical, or retirement planning advice.
Alex

-- 
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say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Sun Aug 28 20:58:08 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:58:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python devs to help out CHIRP Radio?
Message-ID: <CA+VOWAFH5mmAN61Or_m=p5y4pyfyap03MrnTjkrN6aJugLuh+g@mail.gmail.com>

My dear ChiPynauts,
I'm looking for some devs who can provide me with a quote to work on
the open source apps that power http://chirpradio.org/ .  We don't
have much in the way of funds but in addition to compensation we can
provide tax breaks and we can offer free tickets to concerts :)

Python devs: We're looking for someone to write a web app that the
music director can use to import new music into our digital library
weekly.  We already have a strong foundation laid where mp3s are
scrubbed and cataloged.  It just needs an easy to use web front end.
The code is a modern Python project using hotness like virtualenv/pip
and has a pretty good test suite and documentation.  It was mostly
written by Googler and digital library expert Jon Trowbridge.

If someone reading this also happens to work in Android / Java, we're
looking for help getting audio working in 2.2+ devices for our Android
app https://github.com/chirpradio/chirpradio-android/  That's step
one.  After that we may iterate on audio in older devices and other
features.  The code is based on the open NPR app code and we're
looking forward to collaborating with NPR on this.  We just aren't
very good at Android ourselves :(


Here's a little more about CHIRP Radio.  We're a 501(c)(3) non profit,
we broadcast 21 hours a day and our mission is to play new independent
music that doesn't get a fair voice in radio.  We also focus on the
local Chicago music scene.  We are fully run by volunteers; there is
no paid staff.  No joke!  Thus, we only have a small budget to work
with but we've exhausted our volunteer resources for these projects
above.


thanks for reading and let me know if you have questions,
Kumar (Tech Director at CHIRP)

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Sun Aug 28 22:03:49 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:03:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python devs to help out CHIRP Radio?
In-Reply-To: <CA+VOWAFH5mmAN61Or_m=p5y4pyfyap03MrnTjkrN6aJugLuh+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+VOWAFH5mmAN61Or_m=p5y4pyfyap03MrnTjkrN6aJugLuh+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wq=raGqYtp=czjVs4P62=B3K-Whth18sW9F9U6YkwEgUw@mail.gmail.com>

What kind of concerts?

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>wrote:

> My dear ChiPynauts,
> I'm looking for some devs who can provide me with a quote to work on
> the open source apps that power http://chirpradio.org/ .  We don't
> have much in the way of funds but in addition to compensation we can
> provide tax breaks and we can offer free tickets to concerts :)
>
> Python devs: We're looking for someone to write a web app that the
> music director can use to import new music into our digital library
> weekly.  We already have a strong foundation laid where mp3s are
> scrubbed and cataloged.  It just needs an easy to use web front end.
> The code is a modern Python project using hotness like virtualenv/pip
> and has a pretty good test suite and documentation.  It was mostly
> written by Googler and digital library expert Jon Trowbridge.
>
> If someone reading this also happens to work in Android / Java, we're
> looking for help getting audio working in 2.2+ devices for our Android
> app https://github.com/chirpradio/chirpradio-android/  That's step
> one.  After that we may iterate on audio in older devices and other
> features.  The code is based on the open NPR app code and we're
> looking forward to collaborating with NPR on this.  We just aren't
> very good at Android ourselves :(
>
>
> Here's a little more about CHIRP Radio.  We're a 501(c)(3) non profit,
> we broadcast 21 hours a day and our mission is to play new independent
> music that doesn't get a fair voice in radio.  We also focus on the
> local Chicago music scene.  We are fully run by volunteers; there is
> no paid staff.  No joke!  Thus, we only have a small budget to work
> with but we've exhausted our volunteer resources for these projects
> above.
>
>
> thanks for reading and let me know if you have questions,
> Kumar (Tech Director at CHIRP)
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Mon Aug 29 00:19:44 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 17:19:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Convenience Wrapper for the Subprocess Module
Message-ID: <CAJD01wpDO3G3Hkkg8zD-HXMCkD-EDwKAv4=EthjMv-G=OMb56A@mail.gmail.com>

https://github.com/kennethreitz/envoy#readme

This is a convenience wrapper around the subprocess module.
You dont need this:
[image: in_action.png]

But you want it.

-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Aug 29 16:38:03 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:38:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
Message-ID: <CADmzSShDEsF7+6vBAofkgkoB1=FBujSuTE+sw7RMWoaQn0sThA@mail.gmail.com>

I think we have a talk.  Where will it happen?

I am going to be in Portland, so I vote we have it there.

-- 
Carl K

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 17:02:42 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:02:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSShDEsF7+6vBAofkgkoB1=FBujSuTE+sw7RMWoaQn0sThA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmzSShDEsF7+6vBAofkgkoB1=FBujSuTE+sw7RMWoaQn0sThA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38s5bKTBB+zW2Q1H-A4esgJM5oqrqP8bi4cOTMO4YPH99Q@mail.gmail.com>

I would really like someone like Morningstar for this one because we
are having a dual language/ dual screen thingy.

Also, we met some possible venues (Boeing building, ... other loop
locations!?) at the ChiPy SocialDev booth this weekend.

BTW, thanks to all those who crowded around our booth Saturday. Hope
to see some of you.

On a side note, Chicago ALT.NET organizers showed some interest in
doing a co-meeting. That could get insane...

Lots of stuff going on. Who wants to sponsor, host, talk.... currently
the topic is "Erlang VS Python" Daniel? Garrett?

This is going to be great.



On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> I think we have a talk. ?Where will it happen?
>
> I am going to be in Portland, so I vote we have it there.
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 

Brian Ray
(773) 669-7717

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 17:04:33 2011
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:04:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38s5bKTBB+zW2Q1H-A4esgJM5oqrqP8bi4cOTMO4YPH99Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmzSShDEsF7+6vBAofkgkoB1=FBujSuTE+sw7RMWoaQn0sThA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38s5bKTBB+zW2Q1H-A4esgJM5oqrqP8bi4cOTMO4YPH99Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmpWQB6sfz30Z=cCv9cVv+h6CQHG079jebMU=sjXSDyZRt4nA@mail.gmail.com>

I've begun preparing a talk on Erlang Vs Python. If Garrett or anyone wants
input or to review what im going to do i'm up for it.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would really like someone like Morningstar for this one because we
> are having a dual language/ dual screen thingy.
>
> Also, we met some possible venues (Boeing building, ... other loop
> locations!?) at the ChiPy SocialDev booth this weekend.
>
> BTW, thanks to all those who crowded around our booth Saturday. Hope
> to see some of you.
>
> On a side note, Chicago ALT.NET organizers showed some interest in
> doing a co-meeting. That could get insane...
>
> Lots of stuff going on. Who wants to sponsor, host, talk.... currently
> the topic is "Erlang VS Python" Daniel? Garrett?
>
> This is going to be great.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
> > I think we have a talk.  Where will it happen?
> >
> > I am going to be in Portland, so I vote we have it there.
> >
> > --
> > Carl K
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> (773) 669-7717
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From g at rre.tt  Mon Aug 29 17:13:20 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:13:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
In-Reply-To: <CAFmpWQB6sfz30Z=cCv9cVv+h6CQHG079jebMU=sjXSDyZRt4nA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmzSShDEsF7+6vBAofkgkoB1=FBujSuTE+sw7RMWoaQn0sThA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38s5bKTBB+zW2Q1H-A4esgJM5oqrqP8bi4cOTMO4YPH99Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmpWQB6sfz30Z=cCv9cVv+h6CQHG079jebMU=sjXSDyZRt4nA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACU=p6upB8Zsxh2V31WL6FxVx3WOCrQUpbkRxUmHwdKLsuZfmQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm up for Erlang v Python. I can talk about transitioning from Python
to Erlang at CloudBees (rationale and how it went), which could
provide some anecdotal content, as an optional supplement to Daniel's
talk. I can also throw in some coding examples of how we're using
erlport as a bridge between Erlang and Python.


On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've begun preparing a talk on Erlang Vs Python. If Garrett or anyone wants
> input or to review what im going to do i'm up for it.
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would really like someone like Morningstar for this one because we
>> are having a dual language/ dual screen thingy.
>>
>> Also, we met some possible venues (Boeing building, ... other loop
>> locations!?) at the ChiPy SocialDev booth this weekend.
>>
>> BTW, thanks to all those who crowded around our booth Saturday. Hope
>> to see some of you.
>>
>> On a side note, Chicago ALT.NET organizers showed some interest in
>> doing a co-meeting. That could get insane...
>>
>> Lots of stuff going on. Who wants to sponsor, host, talk.... currently
>> the topic is "Erlang VS Python" Daniel? Garrett?
>>
>> This is going to be great.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I think we have a talk. ?Where will it happen?
>> >
>> > I am going to be in Portland, so I vote we have it there.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Carl K
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Ray
>> (773) 669-7717
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From robkapteyn at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 19:42:03 2011
From: robkapteyn at gmail.com (Rob Kapteyn)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:42:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Convenience Wrapper for the Subprocess Module
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wpDO3G3Hkkg8zD-HXMCkD-EDwKAv4=EthjMv-G=OMb56A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJD01wpDO3G3Hkkg8zD-HXMCkD-EDwKAv4=EthjMv-G=OMb56A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33C0D678-9E8C-4285-A796-3EF95FF39F40@gmail.com>

Nice.
Simple, elegant, very pythonic.
Thanks Brian !

On Aug 28, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Brian Herman wrote:

> https://github.com/kennethreitz/envoy#readme
> This is a convenience wrapper around the subprocess module.
> 
> You dont need this:
> 
> 
> But you want it.
> 
> -- 
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
> 
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Mon Aug 29 22:58:36 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:58:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
In-Reply-To: <CACU=p6upB8Zsxh2V31WL6FxVx3WOCrQUpbkRxUmHwdKLsuZfmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmzSShDEsF7+6vBAofkgkoB1=FBujSuTE+sw7RMWoaQn0sThA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38s5bKTBB+zW2Q1H-A4esgJM5oqrqP8bi4cOTMO4YPH99Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmpWQB6sfz30Z=cCv9cVv+h6CQHG079jebMU=sjXSDyZRt4nA@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm so excited!

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:

> I'm up for Erlang v Python. I can talk about transitioning from Python
> to Erlang at CloudBees (rationale and how it went), which could
> provide some anecdotal content, as an optional supplement to Daniel's
> talk. I can also throw in some coding examples of how we're using
> erlport as a bridge between Erlang and Python.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I've begun preparing a talk on Erlang Vs Python. If Garrett or anyone
> wants
> > input or to review what im going to do i'm up for it.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would really like someone like Morningstar for this one because we
> >> are having a dual language/ dual screen thingy.
> >>
> >> Also, we met some possible venues (Boeing building, ... other loop
> >> locations!?) at the ChiPy SocialDev booth this weekend.
> >>
> >> BTW, thanks to all those who crowded around our booth Saturday. Hope
> >> to see some of you.
> >>
> >> On a side note, Chicago ALT.NET organizers showed some interest in
> >> doing a co-meeting. That could get insane...
> >>
> >> Lots of stuff going on. Who wants to sponsor, host, talk.... currently
> >> the topic is "Erlang VS Python" Daniel? Garrett?
> >>
> >> This is going to be great.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I think we have a talk.  Where will it happen?
> >> >
> >> > I am going to be in Portland, so I vote we have it there.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Carl K
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Chicago mailing list
> >> > Chicago at python.org
> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Brian Ray
> >> (773) 669-7717
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
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From matt at mattokeefe.com  Mon Aug 29 23:24:32 2011
From: matt at mattokeefe.com (Matthew O'Keefe)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:24:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
In-Reply-To: <CACU=p6upB8Zsxh2V31WL6FxVx3WOCrQUpbkRxUmHwdKLsuZfmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmzSShDEsF7+6vBAofkgkoB1=FBujSuTE+sw7RMWoaQn0sThA@mail.gmail.com>
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g at rre.tt, if you agree to premiere a new video, I'll see what I can do to
host at Morningstar. :P What is the date?

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:

> I'm up for Erlang v Python. I can talk about transitioning from Python
> to Erlang at CloudBees (rationale and how it went), which could
> provide some anecdotal content, as an optional supplement to Daniel's
> talk. I can also throw in some coding examples of how we're using
> erlport as a bridge between Erlang and Python.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I've begun preparing a talk on Erlang Vs Python. If Garrett or anyone
> wants
> > input or to review what im going to do i'm up for it.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would really like someone like Morningstar for this one because we
> >> are having a dual language/ dual screen thingy.
> >>
> >> Also, we met some possible venues (Boeing building, ... other loop
> >> locations!?) at the ChiPy SocialDev booth this weekend.
> >>
> >> BTW, thanks to all those who crowded around our booth Saturday. Hope
> >> to see some of you.
> >>
> >> On a side note, Chicago ALT.NET organizers showed some interest in
> >> doing a co-meeting. That could get insane...
> >>
> >> Lots of stuff going on. Who wants to sponsor, host, talk.... currently
> >> the topic is "Erlang VS Python" Daniel? Garrett?
> >>
> >> This is going to be great.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I think we have a talk.  Where will it happen?
> >> >
> >> > I am going to be in Portland, so I vote we have it there.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Carl K
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Chicago mailing list
> >> > Chicago at python.org
> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Brian Ray
> >> (773) 669-7717
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Mon Aug 29 23:33:12 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:33:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
In-Reply-To: <CAGWzUBvuMPscHHmcioUHxn=RvHzdzngw8Thxix69G7e5Y=CwWg@mail.gmail.com>
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OMG the huge xmas tree ornament best meeting ever!

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Matthew O'Keefe <matt at mattokeefe.com>wrote:

> g at rre.tt, if you agree to premiere a new video, I'll see what I can do to
> host at Morningstar. :P What is the date?
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>
>> I'm up for Erlang v Python. I can talk about transitioning from Python
>> to Erlang at CloudBees (rationale and how it went), which could
>> provide some anecdotal content, as an optional supplement to Daniel's
>> talk. I can also throw in some coding examples of how we're using
>> erlport as a bridge between Erlang and Python.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I've begun preparing a talk on Erlang Vs Python. If Garrett or anyone
>> wants
>> > input or to review what im going to do i'm up for it.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I would really like someone like Morningstar for this one because we
>> >> are having a dual language/ dual screen thingy.
>> >>
>> >> Also, we met some possible venues (Boeing building, ... other loop
>> >> locations!?) at the ChiPy SocialDev booth this weekend.
>> >>
>> >> BTW, thanks to all those who crowded around our booth Saturday. Hope
>> >> to see some of you.
>> >>
>> >> On a side note, Chicago ALT.NET organizers showed some interest in
>> >> doing a co-meeting. That could get insane...
>> >>
>> >> Lots of stuff going on. Who wants to sponsor, host, talk.... currently
>> >> the topic is "Erlang VS Python" Daniel? Garrett?
>> >>
>> >> This is going to be great.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I think we have a talk.  Where will it happen?
>> >> >
>> >> > I am going to be in Portland, so I vote we have it there.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Carl K
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Chicago mailing list
>> >> > Chicago at python.org
>> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Brian Ray
>> >> (773) 669-7717
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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Research Assistant
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From g at rre.tt  Mon Aug 29 23:54:06 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:54:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
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That's like in a few days!

I mean, how hilarious can an Erlang Python comparison be?

*thinks*

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Matthew O'Keefe <matt at mattokeefe.com> wrote:
> g at rre.tt, if you agree to premiere a new video, I'll see what I can do to
> host at Morningstar. :P What is the date?
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>>
>> I'm up for Erlang v Python. I can talk about transitioning from Python
>> to Erlang at CloudBees (rationale and how it went), which could
>> provide some anecdotal content, as an optional supplement to Daniel's
>> talk. I can also throw in some coding examples of how we're using
>> erlport as a bridge between Erlang and Python.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I've begun preparing a talk on Erlang Vs Python. If Garrett or anyone
>> > wants
>> > input or to review what im going to do i'm up for it.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I would really like someone like Morningstar for this one because we
>> >> are having a dual language/ dual screen thingy.
>> >>
>> >> Also, we met some possible venues (Boeing building, ... other loop
>> >> locations!?) at the ChiPy SocialDev booth this weekend.
>> >>
>> >> BTW, thanks to all those who crowded around our booth Saturday. Hope
>> >> to see some of you.
>> >>
>> >> On a side note, Chicago ALT.NET organizers showed some interest in
>> >> doing a co-meeting. That could get insane...
>> >>
>> >> Lots of stuff going on. Who wants to sponsor, host, talk.... currently
>> >> the topic is "Erlang VS Python" Daniel? Garrett?
>> >>
>> >> This is going to be great.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I think we have a talk. ?Where will it happen?
>> >> >
>> >> > I am going to be in Portland, so I vote we have it there.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Carl K
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Chicago mailing list
>> >> > Chicago at python.org
>> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Brian Ray
>> >> (773) 669-7717
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Mon Aug 29 23:57:08 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:57:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
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From tathagatadg at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 00:22:14 2011
From: tathagatadg at gmail.com (Tathagata Dasgupta)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:22:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
> Whoever wins this death match, at least it will provide all of us with some
> clojure, errr, I mean, closure.

How will the match be scored? Live counting of +1/-1 tweets by the
audience for either #erlang or #python per slide?

>
> On 08/29/2011 04:54 PM, Garrett Smith wrote:
>
> That's like in a few days!
>
> I mean, how hilarious can an Erlang Python comparison be?
>
> *thinks*
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Matthew O'Keefe <matt at mattokeefe.com>
> wrote:
>
> g at rre.tt, if you agree to premiere a new video, I'll see what I can do to
> host at Morningstar. :P What is the date?
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>
> I'm up for Erlang v Python. I can talk about transitioning from Python
> to Erlang at CloudBees (rationale and how it went), which could
> provide some anecdotal content, as an optional supplement to Daniel's
> talk. I can also throw in some coding examples of how we're using
> erlport as a bridge between Erlang and Python.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I've begun preparing a talk on Erlang Vs Python. If Garrett or anyone
> wants
> input or to review what im going to do i'm up for it.
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would really like someone like Morningstar for this one because we
> are having a dual language/ dual screen thingy.
>
> Also, we met some possible venues (Boeing building, ... other loop
> locations!?) at the ChiPy SocialDev booth this weekend.
>
> BTW, thanks to all those who crowded around our booth Saturday. Hope
> to see some of you.
>
> On a side note, Chicago ALT.NET organizers showed some interest in
> doing a co-meeting. That could get insane...
>
> Lots of stuff going on. Who wants to sponsor, host, talk.... currently
> the topic is "Erlang VS Python" Daniel? Garrett?
>
> This is going to be great.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think we have a talk. ?Where will it happen?
>
> I am going to be in Portland, so I vote we have it there.
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> (773) 669-7717
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Cheers,
T

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 00:35:48 2011
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:35:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
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I will judge which side's fanboys do a better job trolling.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Tathagata Dasgupta
<tathagatadg at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
> wrote:
> > Whoever wins this death match, at least it will provide all of us with
> some
> > clojure, errr, I mean, closure.
>
> How will the match be scored? Live counting of +1/-1 tweets by the
> audience for either #erlang or #python per slide?
>
> >
> > On 08/29/2011 04:54 PM, Garrett Smith wrote:
> >
> > That's like in a few days!
> >
> > I mean, how hilarious can an Erlang Python comparison be?
> >
> > *thinks*
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Matthew O'Keefe <matt at mattokeefe.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > g at rre.tt, if you agree to premiere a new video, I'll see what I can do
> to
> > host at Morningstar. :P What is the date?
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
> >
> > I'm up for Erlang v Python. I can talk about transitioning from Python
> > to Erlang at CloudBees (rationale and how it went), which could
> > provide some anecdotal content, as an optional supplement to Daniel's
> > talk. I can also throw in some coding examples of how we're using
> > erlport as a bridge between Erlang and Python.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I've begun preparing a talk on Erlang Vs Python. If Garrett or anyone
> > wants
> > input or to review what im going to do i'm up for it.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would really like someone like Morningstar for this one because we
> > are having a dual language/ dual screen thingy.
> >
> > Also, we met some possible venues (Boeing building, ... other loop
> > locations!?) at the ChiPy SocialDev booth this weekend.
> >
> > BTW, thanks to all those who crowded around our booth Saturday. Hope
> > to see some of you.
> >
> > On a side note, Chicago ALT.NET organizers showed some interest in
> > doing a co-meeting. That could get insane...
> >
> > Lots of stuff going on. Who wants to sponsor, host, talk.... currently
> > the topic is "Erlang VS Python" Daniel? Garrett?
> >
> > This is going to be great.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I think we have a talk.  Where will it happen?
> >
> > I am going to be in Portland, so I vote we have it there.
> >
> > --
> > Carl K
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian Ray
> > (773) 669-7717
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> T
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 01:38:06 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:38:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python devs to help out CHIRP Radio?
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wq=raGqYtp=czjVs4P62=B3K-Whth18sW9F9U6YkwEgUw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> What kind of concerts?

CHIRP gives away tickets on the air so we have a partnership with a
lot of venues in Chicago.  As part of this deal we always have an
allotment of tickets to give to staff.  They aren't always big name
bands and usually they are local bands but free is free!  I looked on
our list for the upcoming week and these are the tickets we have
access to. Hollows, Runnies, Radar Eyes, and JC Brooks & The Uptown
Sound are some of my favorite groups in Chicago right now.

Braid
Hollows
Radar Eyes
The Runnies
Royal Baths
Outer Minds
Jealousy
An Acoustic Evening With The Weepies
YAWN (RECORD RELEASE) w/ Guests
REDGRAVE (7" RELEASE)
Coupleskate
Planetsexploder
JC Brooks and the Uptown Sound


>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> My dear ChiPynauts,
>> I'm looking for some devs who can provide me with a quote to work on
>> the open source apps that power http://chirpradio.org/ . ?We don't
>> have much in the way of funds but in addition to compensation we can
>> provide tax breaks and we can offer free tickets to concerts :)
>>
>> Python devs: We're looking for someone to write a web app that the
>> music director can use to import new music into our digital library
>> weekly. ?We already have a strong foundation laid where mp3s are
>> scrubbed and cataloged. ?It just needs an easy to use web front end.
>> The code is a modern Python project using hotness like virtualenv/pip
>> and has a pretty good test suite and documentation. ?It was mostly
>> written by Googler and digital library expert Jon Trowbridge.
>>
>> If someone reading this also happens to work in Android / Java, we're
>> looking for help getting audio working in 2.2+ devices for our Android
>> app https://github.com/chirpradio/chirpradio-android/ ?That's step
>> one. ?After that we may iterate on audio in older devices and other
>> features. ?The code is based on the open NPR app code and we're
>> looking forward to collaborating with NPR on this. ?We just aren't
>> very good at Android ourselves :(
>>
>>
>> Here's a little more about CHIRP Radio. ?We're a 501(c)(3) non profit,
>> we broadcast 21 hours a day and our mission is to play new independent
>> music that doesn't get a fair voice in radio. ?We also focus on the
>> local Chicago music scene. ?We are fully run by volunteers; there is
>> no paid staff. ?No joke! ?Thus, we only have a small budget to work
>> with but we've exhausted our volunteer resources for these projects
>> above.
>>
>>
>> thanks for reading and let me know if you have questions,
>> Kumar (Tech Director at CHIRP)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 02:36:30 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:36:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python devs to help out CHIRP Radio?
In-Reply-To: <CA+VOWAFH5mmAN61Or_m=p5y4pyfyap03MrnTjkrN6aJugLuh+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+VOWAFH5mmAN61Or_m=p5y4pyfyap03MrnTjkrN6aJugLuh+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zn1wSxQAAH-C6n0+f14EMuQOdYj1U4SHuACSjgJ+5ua6g@mail.gmail.com>

I have worked with android . I have an app in the market
http://www.appbrain.com/app/redtxt/com.aconsapart.redtext . I could
see what I could do.


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On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> My dear ChiPynauts,
> I'm looking for some devs who can provide me with a quote to work on
> the open source apps that power http://chirpradio.org/ . ?We don't
> have much in the way of funds but in addition to compensation we can
> provide tax breaks and we can offer free tickets to concerts :)
>
> Python devs: We're looking for someone to write a web app that the
> music director can use to import new music into our digital library
> weekly. ?We already have a strong foundation laid where mp3s are
> scrubbed and cataloged. ?It just needs an easy to use web front end.
> The code is a modern Python project using hotness like virtualenv/pip
> and has a pretty good test suite and documentation. ?It was mostly
> written by Googler and digital library expert Jon Trowbridge.
>
> If someone reading this also happens to work in Android / Java, we're
> looking for help getting audio working in 2.2+ devices for our Android
> app https://github.com/chirpradio/chirpradio-android/ ?That's step
> one. ?After that we may iterate on audio in older devices and other
> features. ?The code is based on the open NPR app code and we're
> looking forward to collaborating with NPR on this. ?We just aren't
> very good at Android ourselves :(
>
>
> Here's a little more about CHIRP Radio. ?We're a 501(c)(3) non profit,
> we broadcast 21 hours a day and our mission is to play new independent
> music that doesn't get a fair voice in radio. ?We also focus on the
> local Chicago music scene. ?We are fully run by volunteers; there is
> no paid staff. ?No joke! ?Thus, we only have a small budget to work
> with but we've exhausted our volunteer resources for these projects
> above.
>
>
> thanks for reading and let me know if you have questions,
> Kumar (Tech Director at CHIRP)
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 02:46:20 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:46:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python devs to help out CHIRP Radio?
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zn1wSxQAAH-C6n0+f14EMuQOdYj1U4SHuACSjgJ+5ua6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+VOWAFH5mmAN61Or_m=p5y4pyfyap03MrnTjkrN6aJugLuh+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zn1wSxQAAH-C6n0+f14EMuQOdYj1U4SHuACSjgJ+5ua6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+VOWAEE+ETZiU+C1tkPnDBGeE2nR_H6N-hpYR-PY5X+6NOrAg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have worked with android . I have an app in the market
> http://www.appbrain.com/app/redtxt/com.aconsapart.redtext . I could
> see what I could do.

Thanks Joshua.  I'll follow up with you to get a quote.

>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Kumar McMillan
> <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> My dear ChiPynauts,
>> I'm looking for some devs who can provide me with a quote to work on
>> the open source apps that power http://chirpradio.org/ . ?We don't
>> have much in the way of funds but in addition to compensation we can
>> provide tax breaks and we can offer free tickets to concerts :)
>>
>> Python devs: We're looking for someone to write a web app that the
>> music director can use to import new music into our digital library
>> weekly. ?We already have a strong foundation laid where mp3s are
>> scrubbed and cataloged. ?It just needs an easy to use web front end.
>> The code is a modern Python project using hotness like virtualenv/pip
>> and has a pretty good test suite and documentation. ?It was mostly
>> written by Googler and digital library expert Jon Trowbridge.
>>
>> If someone reading this also happens to work in Android / Java, we're
>> looking for help getting audio working in 2.2+ devices for our Android
>> app https://github.com/chirpradio/chirpradio-android/ ?That's step
>> one. ?After that we may iterate on audio in older devices and other
>> features. ?The code is based on the open NPR app code and we're
>> looking forward to collaborating with NPR on this. ?We just aren't
>> very good at Android ourselves :(
>>
>>
>> Here's a little more about CHIRP Radio. ?We're a 501(c)(3) non profit,
>> we broadcast 21 hours a day and our mission is to play new independent
>> music that doesn't get a fair voice in radio. ?We also focus on the
>> local Chicago music scene. ?We are fully run by volunteers; there is
>> no paid staff. ?No joke! ?Thus, we only have a small budget to work
>> with but we've exhausted our volunteer resources for these projects
>> above.
>>
>>
>> thanks for reading and let me know if you have questions,
>> Kumar (Tech Director at CHIRP)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 03:05:11 2011
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:05:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python devs to help out CHIRP Radio?
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zn1wSxQAAH-C6n0+f14EMuQOdYj1U4SHuACSjgJ+5ua6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+VOWAFH5mmAN61Or_m=p5y4pyfyap03MrnTjkrN6aJugLuh+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zn1wSxQAAH-C6n0+f14EMuQOdYj1U4SHuACSjgJ+5ua6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+afis1Hd5Yo4UJTX8t+rKMaXQDmAFYBNwTFejmc3iTVog@mail.gmail.com>

thats a cool app Joshua.  How does the receiving phone decode it?  Do they
have to have your app installed as well?


On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have worked with android . I have an app in the market
> http://www.appbrain.com/app/redtxt/com.aconsapart.redtext . I could
> see what I could do.
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Kumar McMillan
> <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > My dear ChiPynauts,
> > I'm looking for some devs who can provide me with a quote to work on
> > the open source apps that power http://chirpradio.org/ .  We don't
> > have much in the way of funds but in addition to compensation we can
> > provide tax breaks and we can offer free tickets to concerts :)
> >
> > Python devs: We're looking for someone to write a web app that the
> > music director can use to import new music into our digital library
> > weekly.  We already have a strong foundation laid where mp3s are
> > scrubbed and cataloged.  It just needs an easy to use web front end.
> > The code is a modern Python project using hotness like virtualenv/pip
> > and has a pretty good test suite and documentation.  It was mostly
> > written by Googler and digital library expert Jon Trowbridge.
> >
> > If someone reading this also happens to work in Android / Java, we're
> > looking for help getting audio working in 2.2+ devices for our Android
> > app https://github.com/chirpradio/chirpradio-android/  That's step
> > one.  After that we may iterate on audio in older devices and other
> > features.  The code is based on the open NPR app code and we're
> > looking forward to collaborating with NPR on this.  We just aren't
> > very good at Android ourselves :(
> >
> >
> > Here's a little more about CHIRP Radio.  We're a 501(c)(3) non profit,
> > we broadcast 21 hours a day and our mission is to play new independent
> > music that doesn't get a fair voice in radio.  We also focus on the
> > local Chicago music scene.  We are fully run by volunteers; there is
> > no paid staff.  No joke!  Thus, we only have a small budget to work
> > with but we've exhausted our volunteer resources for these projects
> > above.
> >
> >
> > thanks for reading and let me know if you have questions,
> > Kumar (Tech Director at CHIRP)
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 03:36:40 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:36:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python devs to help out CHIRP Radio?
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+afis1Hd5Yo4UJTX8t+rKMaXQDmAFYBNwTFejmc3iTVog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+VOWAFH5mmAN61Or_m=p5y4pyfyap03MrnTjkrN6aJugLuh+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zn1wSxQAAH-C6n0+f14EMuQOdYj1U4SHuACSjgJ+5ua6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+afis1Hd5Yo4UJTX8t+rKMaXQDmAFYBNwTFejmc3iTVog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zkVDzex0hu_S9tMWuv=i=yUPYvRkU=BQ=y1Xdq1KWvdiQ@mail.gmail.com>

They have to have my app installed for it to decode it. Its basically
AES in password based authentication mode.


---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
> thats a cool app Joshua. ?How does the?receiving?phone decode it? ?Do they
> have to have your app installed as well?
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have worked with android . I have an app in the market
>> http://www.appbrain.com/app/redtxt/com.aconsapart.redtext . I could
>> see what I could do.
>>
>>
>> ---Profile:---
>> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Kumar McMillan
>> <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > My dear ChiPynauts,
>> > I'm looking for some devs who can provide me with a quote to work on
>> > the open source apps that power http://chirpradio.org/ . ?We don't
>> > have much in the way of funds but in addition to compensation we can
>> > provide tax breaks and we can offer free tickets to concerts :)
>> >
>> > Python devs: We're looking for someone to write a web app that the
>> > music director can use to import new music into our digital library
>> > weekly. ?We already have a strong foundation laid where mp3s are
>> > scrubbed and cataloged. ?It just needs an easy to use web front end.
>> > The code is a modern Python project using hotness like virtualenv/pip
>> > and has a pretty good test suite and documentation. ?It was mostly
>> > written by Googler and digital library expert Jon Trowbridge.
>> >
>> > If someone reading this also happens to work in Android / Java, we're
>> > looking for help getting audio working in 2.2+ devices for our Android
>> > app https://github.com/chirpradio/chirpradio-android/ ?That's step
>> > one. ?After that we may iterate on audio in older devices and other
>> > features. ?The code is based on the open NPR app code and we're
>> > looking forward to collaborating with NPR on this. ?We just aren't
>> > very good at Android ourselves :(
>> >
>> >
>> > Here's a little more about CHIRP Radio. ?We're a 501(c)(3) non profit,
>> > we broadcast 21 hours a day and our mission is to play new independent
>> > music that doesn't get a fair voice in radio. ?We also focus on the
>> > local Chicago music scene. ?We are fully run by volunteers; there is
>> > no paid staff. ?No joke! ?Thus, we only have a small budget to work
>> > with but we've exhausted our volunteer resources for these projects
>> > above.
>> >
>> >
>> > thanks for reading and let me know if you have questions,
>> > Kumar (Tech Director at CHIRP)
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Tue Aug 30 21:22:23 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:22:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
Message-ID: <3B9971BD-2106-42E3-92B4-F5E5AA2276A5@cs.depaul.edu>

I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the Chicago area.
They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working. 
Each module has:

1U form factor
3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
2GB memory
two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
1.7 A current draw
Mounted 32 per rack with sliders.  Racks are 36" deep.
Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs

If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact --- redacted ---;
They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.

Massimo

From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 21:26:04 2011
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:26:04 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
In-Reply-To: <3B9971BD-2106-42E3-92B4-F5E5AA2276A5@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <3B9971BD-2106-42E3-92B4-F5E5AA2276A5@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <CAFRnB2XzZ5xO3MFPZBSZsYTkMde_Hd2trwn+j6Es1=0eTSD8Zg@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds like  pretty good opportunity to setup some buildslaves for
someone's favorite projects' buildbots.  Were I in the city (and knew where
the hell I'd stick it) I'd happily take one :(

Alex

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>wrote:

> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the
> Chicago area.
> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
> Each module has:
>
> 1U form factor
> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
> 2GB memory
> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
> 1.7 A current draw
> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders.  Racks are 36" deep.
> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
>
> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact
> --- redacted ---;
> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
>
> Massimo
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
"The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Aug 30 21:30:50 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:30:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
In-Reply-To: <3B9971BD-2106-42E3-92B4-F5E5AA2276A5@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <3B9971BD-2106-42E3-92B4-F5E5AA2276A5@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSjb2k=FLehqpSSR0ye8nrL2FXj3ORqYPMXWQUYpnoziEQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the Chicago area.
> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
> Each module has:
>
> 1U form factor
> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
> 2GB memory
> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
> 1.7 A current draw
> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders. ?Racks are 36" deep.
> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
>
> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact --- redacted ---;
> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.


I leave tomorrow morning, come back Sep 19.  I would put one or 2 in
my basement, and give Alex ssh access.  I may use them for encoding
now and then.   Once I come back, I can arrange transportation, or if
someone can get them to PS1, or to my garrage... I can get them later.



-- 
Carl K

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Tue Aug 30 21:33:47 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:33:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
In-Reply-To: <CAFRnB2XzZ5xO3MFPZBSZsYTkMde_Hd2trwn+j6Es1=0eTSD8Zg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3B9971BD-2106-42E3-92B4-F5E5AA2276A5@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAFRnB2XzZ5xO3MFPZBSZsYTkMde_Hd2trwn+j6Es1=0eTSD8Zg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B82F0B7-2C9C-4D37-B3DC-AE268A8DD474@cs.depaul.edu>

The reason nobody wants this is that power consumption is high and you need some powerful cooling. You cannot keep a rack in a regular office or apartment. You need an equipped server room.

Massimo

On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote:

> This sounds like  pretty good opportunity to setup some buildslaves for someone's favorite projects' buildbots.  Were I in the city (and knew where the hell I'd stick it) I'd happily take one :(
> 
> Alex
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the Chicago area.
> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
> Each module has:
> 
> 1U form factor
> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
> 2GB memory
> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
> 1.7 A current draw
> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders.  Racks are 36" deep.
> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
> 
> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact --- redacted ---;
> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
> 
> Massimo
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Tue Aug 30 21:35:08 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:35:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSjb2k=FLehqpSSR0ye8nrL2FXj3ORqYPMXWQUYpnoziEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3B9971BD-2106-42E3-92B4-F5E5AA2276A5@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CADmzSSjb2k=FLehqpSSR0ye8nrL2FXj3ORqYPMXWQUYpnoziEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <395CAA6A-341A-4F1F-9ABB-24D60FFC9476@cs.depaul.edu>


On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the Chicago area.
>> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
>> Each module has:
>> 
>> 1U form factor
>> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
>> 2GB memory
>> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
>> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
>> 1.7 A current draw
>> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders.  Racks are 36" deep.
>> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
>> 
>> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact --- redacted ---;
>> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
> 
> 
> I leave tomorrow morning, come back Sep 19.  I would put one or 2 in
> my basement, and give Alex ssh access.  I may use them for encoding
> now and then.   Once I come back, I can arrange transportation, or if
> someone can get them to PS1, or to my garrage... I can get them later.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Aug 30 21:35:46 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:35:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
In-Reply-To: <0B82F0B7-2C9C-4D37-B3DC-AE268A8DD474@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <3B9971BD-2106-42E3-92B4-F5E5AA2276A5@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAFRnB2XzZ5xO3MFPZBSZsYTkMde_Hd2trwn+j6Es1=0eTSD8Zg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B82F0B7-2C9C-4D37-B3DC-AE268A8DD474@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSjBxoRTTxOrbz+qFVbvdDmrC1+NpBMH65h=RpmbTpiN8Q@mail.gmail.com>

my basement floods pretty often :)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> The reason nobody wants this is that power consumption is high and you need
> some powerful cooling. You cannot keep a rack in a regular office or
> apartment. You need an equipped server room.
> Massimo
>
> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote:
>
> This sounds like ?pretty good opportunity to setup some buildslaves for
> someone's favorite projects' buildbots. ?Were I in the city (and knew where
> the hell I'd stick it) I'd happily take one :(
> Alex
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the
>> Chicago area.
>> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
>> Each module has:
>>
>> 1U form factor
>> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
>> 2GB memory
>> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
>> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
>> 1.7 A current draw
>> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders. ?Racks are 36" deep.
>> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
>>
>> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact
>> --- redacted ---;
>> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
>>
>> Massimo
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
> say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Tue Aug 30 22:17:55 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:17:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSjBxoRTTxOrbz+qFVbvdDmrC1+NpBMH65h=RpmbTpiN8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3B9971BD-2106-42E3-92B4-F5E5AA2276A5@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAFRnB2XzZ5xO3MFPZBSZsYTkMde_Hd2trwn+j6Es1=0eTSD8Zg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B82F0B7-2C9C-4D37-B3DC-AE268A8DD474@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CADmzSSjBxoRTTxOrbz+qFVbvdDmrC1+NpBMH65h=RpmbTpiN8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01A19137-DDEC-474A-A2BD-2BA3B7FF9446@cs.depaul.edu>

Is that how you plan to provide cooling?

On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> my basement floods pretty often :)
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>> The reason nobody wants this is that power consumption is high and you need
>> some powerful cooling. You cannot keep a rack in a regular office or
>> apartment. You need an equipped server room.
>> Massimo
>> 
>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote:
>> 
>> This sounds like  pretty good opportunity to setup some buildslaves for
>> someone's favorite projects' buildbots.  Were I in the city (and knew where
>> the hell I'd stick it) I'd happily take one :(
>> Alex
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the
>>> Chicago area.
>>> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
>>> Each module has:
>>> 
>>> 1U form factor
>>> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
>>> 2GB memory
>>> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
>>> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
>>> 1.7 A current draw
>>> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders.  Racks are 36" deep.
>>> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
>>> 
>>> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact
>>> --- redacted ---;
>>> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
>>> 
>>> Massimo
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
>> say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Aug 30 22:20:00 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:20:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
In-Reply-To: <01A19137-DDEC-474A-A2BD-2BA3B7FF9446@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <3B9971BD-2106-42E3-92B4-F5E5AA2276A5@cs.depaul.edu>
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right

and later the heat will help dry out the basement.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> Is that how you plan to provide cooling?
>
> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>
>> my basement floods pretty often :)
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
>> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>>> The reason nobody wants this is that power consumption is high and you need
>>> some powerful cooling. You cannot keep a rack in a regular office or
>>> apartment. You need an equipped server room.
>>> Massimo
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote:
>>>
>>> This sounds like ?pretty good opportunity to setup some buildslaves for
>>> someone's favorite projects' buildbots. ?Were I in the city (and knew where
>>> the hell I'd stick it) I'd happily take one :(
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the
>>>> Chicago area.
>>>> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
>>>> Each module has:
>>>>
>>>> 1U form factor
>>>> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
>>>> 2GB memory
>>>> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
>>>> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
>>>> 1.7 A current draw
>>>> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders. ?Racks are 36" deep.
>>>> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
>>>>
>>>> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact
>>>> --- redacted ---;
>>>> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
>>>>
>>>> Massimo
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
>>> say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Tue Aug 30 22:26:31 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:26:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSjF3yc6VUuggOcYy1fTgD5k398bs0xV6aCGtXZiDYha2Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<0B82F0B7-2C9C-4D37-B3DC-AE268A8DD474@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CADmzSSjBxoRTTxOrbz+qFVbvdDmrC1+NpBMH65h=RpmbTpiN8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<01A19137-DDEC-474A-A2BD-2BA3B7FF9446@cs.depaul.edu>
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No kidding. Apparently they sell gas based turbines to pump heat out of large computer clusters and use it to heat water. Some universities sell back the hot water to the university and nearby buildings for a profit. The gas to run the turbines is relatively cheap compared to the electricity for regular cooling.

On Aug 30, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> right
> 
> and later the heat will help dry out the basement.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>> Is that how you plan to provide cooling?
>> 
>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>> 
>>> my basement floods pretty often :)
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
>>> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>>>> The reason nobody wants this is that power consumption is high and you need
>>>> some powerful cooling. You cannot keep a rack in a regular office or
>>>> apartment. You need an equipped server room.
>>>> Massimo
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This sounds like  pretty good opportunity to setup some buildslaves for
>>>> someone's favorite projects' buildbots.  Were I in the city (and knew where
>>>> the hell I'd stick it) I'd happily take one :(
>>>> Alex
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the
>>>>> Chicago area.
>>>>> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
>>>>> Each module has:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1U form factor
>>>>> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
>>>>> 2GB memory
>>>>> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
>>>>> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
>>>>> 1.7 A current draw
>>>>> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders.  Racks are 36" deep.
>>>>> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
>>>>> 
>>>>> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact
>>>>> --- redacted ---;
>>>>> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Massimo
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
>>>> say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Carl K
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Aug 30 22:27:57 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:27:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
In-Reply-To: <1F08B849-0C61-4A72-A760-744794F75783@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <3B9971BD-2106-42E3-92B4-F5E5AA2276A5@cs.depaul.edu>
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	<0B82F0B7-2C9C-4D37-B3DC-AE268A8DD474@cs.depaul.edu>
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	<01A19137-DDEC-474A-A2BD-2BA3B7FF9446@cs.depaul.edu>
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	<1F08B849-0C61-4A72-A760-744794F75783@cs.depaul.edu>
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ok, maybe I dont want any of this.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> No kidding. Apparently they sell gas based turbines to pump heat out of large computer clusters and use it to heat water. Some universities sell back the hot water to the university and nearby buildings for a profit. The gas to run the turbines is relatively cheap compared to the electricity for regular cooling.
>
> On Aug 30, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>
>> right
>>
>> and later the heat will help dry out the basement.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
>> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>>> Is that how you plan to provide cooling?
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>>>
>>>> my basement floods pretty often :)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
>>>> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>>>>> The reason nobody wants this is that power consumption is high and you need
>>>>> some powerful cooling. You cannot keep a rack in a regular office or
>>>>> apartment. You need an equipped server room.
>>>>> Massimo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This sounds like ?pretty good opportunity to setup some buildslaves for
>>>>> someone's favorite projects' buildbots. ?Were I in the city (and knew where
>>>>> the hell I'd stick it) I'd happily take one :(
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the
>>>>>> Chicago area.
>>>>>> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
>>>>>> Each module has:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1U form factor
>>>>>> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
>>>>>> 2GB memory
>>>>>> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
>>>>>> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
>>>>>> 1.7 A current draw
>>>>>> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders. ?Racks are 36" deep.
>>>>>> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact
>>>>>> --- redacted ---;
>>>>>> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Massimo
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
>>>>> say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>>>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carl K
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Tue Aug 30 22:39:04 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:39:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
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UIC ACM will take all of these.
You can use this as a tax writeoff.


On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> ok, maybe I dont want any of this.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> > No kidding. Apparently they sell gas based turbines to pump heat out of
> large computer clusters and use it to heat water. Some universities sell
> back the hot water to the university and nearby buildings for a profit. The
> gas to run the turbines is relatively cheap compared to the electricity for
> regular cooling.
> >
> > On Aug 30, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> >
> >> right
> >>
> >> and later the heat will help dry out the basement.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> >> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> >>> Is that how you plan to provide cooling?
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> my basement floods pretty often :)
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> >>>> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> >>>>> The reason nobody wants this is that power consumption is high and
> you need
> >>>>> some powerful cooling. You cannot keep a rack in a regular office or
> >>>>> apartment. You need an equipped server room.
> >>>>> Massimo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This sounds like  pretty good opportunity to setup some buildslaves
> for
> >>>>> someone's favorite projects' buildbots.  Were I in the city (and knew
> where
> >>>>> the hell I'd stick it) I'd happily take one :(
> >>>>> Alex
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <
> mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in
> the
> >>>>>> Chicago area.
> >>>>>> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
> >>>>>> Each module has:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1U form factor
> >>>>>> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
> >>>>>> 2GB memory
> >>>>>> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
> >>>>>> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
> >>>>>> 1.7 A current draw
> >>>>>> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders.  Racks are 36" deep.
> >>>>>> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please
> contact
> >>>>>> --- redacted ---;
> >>>>>> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Massimo
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
> right to
> >>>>> say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
> >>>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Carl K
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carl K
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 23:19:15 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:19:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
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So... you'd basically need a fork lift to pick up one of these racks?
Well, post back to the list if they consider giving away pieces
instead ;) CHIRP Radio could probably use a couple for our server
closet and/or re-purpose some drives but I have no idea how we'd
transport an entire rack of 32.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the Chicago area.
> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
> Each module has:
>
> 1U form factor
> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
> 2GB memory
> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
> 1.7 A current draw
> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders. ?Racks are 36" deep.
> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
>
> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact --- redacted ---;
> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
>
> Massimo
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Tue Aug 30 23:21:11 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:21:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
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I do not think so because you cannot expense the purchase (they are free) but you have eventually pay for disposal. Just being the devil's advocate.

On Aug 30, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Brian Herman wrote:

> UIC ACM will take all of these.
> You can use this as a tax writeoff.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> ok, maybe I dont want any of this.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> > No kidding. Apparently they sell gas based turbines to pump heat out of large computer clusters and use it to heat water. Some universities sell back the hot water to the university and nearby buildings for a profit. The gas to run the turbines is relatively cheap compared to the electricity for regular cooling.
> >
> > On Aug 30, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> >
> >> right
> >>
> >> and later the heat will help dry out the basement.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> >> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> >>> Is that how you plan to provide cooling?
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> my basement floods pretty often :)
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> >>>> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> >>>>> The reason nobody wants this is that power consumption is high and you need
> >>>>> some powerful cooling. You cannot keep a rack in a regular office or
> >>>>> apartment. You need an equipped server room.
> >>>>> Massimo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This sounds like  pretty good opportunity to setup some buildslaves for
> >>>>> someone's favorite projects' buildbots.  Were I in the city (and knew where
> >>>>> the hell I'd stick it) I'd happily take one :(
> >>>>> Alex
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the
> >>>>>> Chicago area.
> >>>>>> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
> >>>>>> Each module has:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1U form factor
> >>>>>> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
> >>>>>> 2GB memory
> >>>>>> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
> >>>>>> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
> >>>>>> 1.7 A current draw
> >>>>>> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders.  Racks are 36" deep.
> >>>>>> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact
> >>>>>> --- redacted ---;
> >>>>>> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Massimo
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
> >>>>> say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
> >>>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Carl K
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carl K
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
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> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Thanks,
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> 
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 23:23:02 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:23:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 16:19, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>wrote:

> So... you'd basically need a fork lift to pick up one of these racks?
> Well, post back to the list if they consider giving away pieces
> instead ;) CHIRP Radio could probably use a couple for our server
> closet and/or re-purpose some drives but I have no idea how we'd
> transport an entire rack of 32.


I have two 1U machines if you want, no rack, no forklift needed. I can dig
up the specs - no hard drives though.
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From david.nides at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 23:23:49 2011
From: david.nides at gmail.com (david nides)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:23:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
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I'll take a rack!

Thanks,

David Nides

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>wrote:

> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the
> Chicago area.
> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
> Each module has:
>
> 1U form factor
> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
> 2GB memory
> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
> 1.7 A current draw
> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders.  Racks are 36" deep.
> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
>
> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact
> --- redacted ---;
> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
>
> Massimo
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Aug 30 23:24:23 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:24:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
In-Reply-To: <CA+VOWAFk+Q3GR1Ctf9BXXs_za2vbWSH8AHPVWLuPHA0TQ8QMQQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I have a fork lift.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> So... you'd basically need a fork lift to pick up one of these racks?
> Well, post back to the list if they consider giving away pieces
> instead ;) CHIRP Radio could probably use a couple for our server
> closet and/or re-purpose some drives but I have no idea how we'd
> transport an entire rack of 32.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the Chicago area.
>> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
>> Each module has:
>>
>> 1U form factor
>> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
>> 2GB memory
>> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
>> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
>> 1.7 A current draw
>> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders. ?Racks are 36" deep.
>> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
>>
>> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact --- redacted ---;
>> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
>>
>> Massimo
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Carl K

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Wed Aug 31 00:23:40 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:23:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSgmoE3qhvCAsea5e6HfsRwTaG5kWERL54O=suTP501qSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3B9971BD-2106-42E3-92B4-F5E5AA2276A5@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CA+VOWAFk+Q3GR1Ctf9BXXs_za2vbWSH8AHPVWLuPHA0TQ8QMQQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Massimo basically we are rebuilding our monitor wall.
[image: wall1.jpg]
These machines will be put to good use.


On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> I have a fork lift.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Kumar McMillan
> <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > So... you'd basically need a fork lift to pick up one of these racks?
> > Well, post back to the list if they consider giving away pieces
> > instead ;) CHIRP Radio could probably use a couple for our server
> > closet and/or re-purpose some drives but I have no idea how we'd
> > transport an entire rack of 32.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> > <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> >> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the
> Chicago area.
> >> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
> >> Each module has:
> >>
> >> 1U form factor
> >> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
> >> 2GB memory
> >> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
> >> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
> >> 1.7 A current draw
> >> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders.  Racks are 36" deep.
> >> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
> >>
> >> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact
> --- redacted ---;
> >> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
> >>
> >> Massimo
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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Brian Herman

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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Wed Aug 31 00:39:19 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:39:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
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Looks like this this is no longer an option.
Please do not contact the person mentioned below.
I was not authorized to make this posting although I did not know this was confidential information.
I apologize for the members of the list for the noise this caused.

Massimo


On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:

> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the Chicago area.
> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working. 
> Each module has:
> 
> 1U form factor
> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
> 2GB memory
> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
> 1.7 A current draw
> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders.  Racks are 36" deep.
> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
> 
> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact --- redacted ---;
> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
> 
> Massimo
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 04:40:38 2011
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 21:40:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] free computers
In-Reply-To: <BD0CF8AE-7FCF-4047-A12F-D0E5FF9B85A2@cs.depaul.edu>
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Ut oh. Must be some oh so secret government operation. Now that we
know Fermilab is upgrading their servers, how can we keep America
safe?

:p

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> Looks like this this is no longer an option.
> Please do not contact the person mentioned below.
> I was not authorized to make this posting although I did not know this was confidential information.
> I apologize for the members of the list for the noise this caused.
>
> Massimo
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
>
>> I have some friends who are giving away 8 racks of 32 U1 modules in the Chicago area.
>> They were purchased in 2005 and as far as I know are fully working.
>> Each module has:
>>
>> 1U form factor
>> 3.2 GHz hyperthreaded dual Xeons
>> 2GB memory
>> two 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
>> two small, 20-80 GBytes, disks.
>> 1.7 A current draw
>> Mounted 32 per rack with sliders. ?Racks are 36" deep.
>> Power from Cyclades PM10 PDUs
>>
>> If anybody wants a rack and can arrange for transport, please contact --- redacted ---;
>> They are not giving away pieces, the basic unit is the rack.
>>
>> Massimo
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From jeremy.mcmillan at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 17:11:14 2011
From: jeremy.mcmillan at gmail.com (Jeremy McMillan)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:11:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
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References: <mailman.15.1314439202.30413.chicago@python.org>
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I don't use Mongo (yet), but I wonder if anyone really notices the cycles lost to encoding/decoding JSON?

Oh, and calling it BiSON would have been a very sloppy mistake.

http://www.gnu.org/software/bison/

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:47:22 -0700, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com> wrote:

> 
> Does anyone use it for anything other than Mongo?
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Jough Dempsey <jough.dempsey at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> 
>> I'd be interested in it, although I think they really missed an
>> opportunity by not calling it "BiSON" which would be easier to
>> pronounce.  B-SAHN sounds like an alien race on Star Trek (one of the
>> later, crappier series, not TOS or TNG).
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Yea I would probably have a small part of what BSON is and then how  
>>> to use it.
>>> 
>> 

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From japhy at pearachute.com  Sun Aug 28 04:33:25 2011
From: japhy at pearachute.com (Japhy Bartlett)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 22:33:25 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
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Yeah Tal, in other words: nobody uses BSON. :)

I just don't really see why you'd ever use it directly as a (particularly
python) dev.  It's like doing a talk about the various mysql engines, except
less useful since Mongo only uses BSON.

Just... kind of interesting, but an odd niche for a talk to a python group.
But who cares what I think?

- Japhy

On Aug 27, 2011 12:19 AM, "Tal Liron" <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:

 I do! Well, it's more that I appreciate the extended JSON notation as a way
to add type information to it when it doesn't include any in the basic spec.
For example, sending extended JSON from server to client with information
about dates. If you have mechanism in place to unpack it, you're good, even
if the data doesn't originally come from MongoDB.

I don't use BSON directly, but it would just as useful if you need to
transfer JSON between two node, or store a lot of JSON data. BSON would save
you bandwidth.

-Tal


On 08/25/2011 09:47 AM, Japhy Bartlett wrote:


>
> Does anyone use it for anything other than Mongo?
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Jough Dem...
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