From brianherman at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 00:51:37 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 17:51:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Potential talk: Web2Py
In-Reply-To: <C9340F22-FE7C-4B70-A580-BC7FFFC556DD@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <BANLkTinX6euFfaDTpLyeYiRB_rRF9jE7DA@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, Web2Py is an offer that I can't refuse.
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org








On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>wrote:

>
> On May 31, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Phil Robare wrote:
>
>> I'd vote for the VisIt talk (wooh - pretty pictures) but would be
>> happy having Massimo give any of these.  I've always found his talks
>> fun.
>>
>
> Is it my mafioso accent? ;-)
>
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 01:20:10 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 18:20:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Potential talk: Web2Py
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=oqT91ppTy0D7WTXFFN_aZ5ihU7A@mail.gmail.com>
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I can't refuse the offer for web2py either I would be interested.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, Web2Py is an offer that I can't refuse.
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> wrote:
>>
>> On May 31, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Phil Robare wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd vote for the VisIt talk (wooh - pretty pictures) but would be
>>> happy having Massimo give any of these. ?I've always found his talks
>>> fun.
>>
>> Is it my mafioso accent? ;-)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 21:58:53 2011
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 19:58:53 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
Message-ID: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>

ChiPy
=========================
When: 7 PM Thursday June 9, 2011
Where: Google 

Join us for the Best Meeting Ever!

Topics
------
 1. 7:00 Using OpenCV with Python and ROS (Bill Mania)
 2. 7:45 new web2py features (Massimo Di Pierro)

 
Details
-------

1. Using OpenCV with Python and ROS 
Bill Mania
A brief presentation of using the OpenCV computer vision toolset with Python and ROS. Included at the end will be a demonstration of tracking a colored object using a camera with servo-driven pan and tilt capability.
http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/4 

2. new web2py features 
Massimo Di Pierro
- wizard
- versioning
- digitally signed callbacks
- federated authentication
- multi-tenancy
http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/5 


Location
--------


About the group
---------------




From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 22:18:19 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:18:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
In-Reply-To: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
References: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi==e244iuMh9natYx7aS=n6e0G+Yg@mail.gmail.com>

Please ignore this folks, I think Carl is just testing.  We will have
more details and an official announcement as we get closer to the
meeting.

Carl, any way we can test off the list?

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
> ChiPy
> =========================
> When: 7 PM Thursday June 9, 2011
> Where: Google
>
> Join us for the Best Meeting Ever!
>
> Topics
> ------
> ?1. 7:00 Using OpenCV with Python and ROS (Bill Mania)
> ?2. 7:45 new web2py features (Massimo Di Pierro)
>
>
> Details
> -------
>
> 1. Using OpenCV with Python and ROS
> Bill Mania
> A brief presentation of using the OpenCV computer vision toolset with Python and ROS. Included at the end will be a demonstration of tracking a colored object using a camera with servo-driven pan and tilt capability.
> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/4
>
> 2. new web2py features
> Massimo Di Pierro
> - wizard
> - versioning
> - digitally signed callbacks
> - federated authentication
> - multi-tenancy
> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/5
>
>
> Location
> --------
>
>
> About the group
> ---------------
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 

Brian Ray
(773) 669-7717

From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 22:18:48 2011
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:18:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
In-Reply-To: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
References: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikbmavcF6KhRLsYswW8gpDRJCV+Zg@mail.gmail.com>

This post is the result of testing new coed:  It was spozed to only go
to Bill and Mas for review, but it went here and there instead.  This
is not the final schedule, and there will be an address.  Sorry for
the run-away code.


-- 
Carl K

From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 22:21:48 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:21:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikbmavcF6KhRLsYswW8gpDRJCV+Zg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
	<BANLkTikbmavcF6KhRLsYswW8gpDRJCV+Zg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTik1JZji04hLwd+2box7nWzdmTKSDw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
> This post is the result of testing new coed: ?It was spozed to only go
> to Bill and Mas for review, but it went here and there instead. ?This
> is not the final schedule, and there will be an address. ?Sorry for
> the run-away code.
>

Understood, thanks Carl. Also, I need to review before you send. I
promised certain people who are kind enough to buy us food they would
be mentioned.  Also, we will probably have the RSVP feature working on
http://chipy.org shortly so I want to add some directions.

Thx, Brian

From g at rre.tt  Wed Jun  1 22:22:10 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:22:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sprint location (for Erlangers)
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=ZuUgvdKOfzTeEzJW0-Nwu1fJOrA@mail.gmail.com>

Warning: does not contain Python content (but I know you guys are nice
and won't yell at me!)

I'm trying to line up some Saturday morning-to-afternoon space in or
near the loop for an Erlang sprint in June. This is just a general
free-for-all for anyone interested in hacking Erlang.

Anyone have an idea for space for 10-15 people with wifi?

Garrett

From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Jun  1 22:25:17 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:25:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi==e244iuMh9natYx7aS=n6e0G+Yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
	<BANLkTi==e244iuMh9natYx7aS=n6e0G+Yg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=cq1DxT5WccECXS80aHw-o4JcnSQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Please ignore this folks, I think Carl is just testing. ?We will have
> more details and an official announcement as we get closer to the
> meeting.
>
> Carl, any way we can test off the list?

No way at all.  What kind of crazy talk is that?

I had code like this:
if test:
  send to me
else:
  send to everyone

I was trying to add a third case: send to the presenters for review.
Apparently I don't understand elif.

>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ChiPy
>> =========================
>> When: 7 PM Thursday June 9, 2011
>> Where: Google
>>
>> Join us for the Best Meeting Ever!
>>
>> Topics
>> ------
>> ?1. 7:00 Using OpenCV with Python and ROS (Bill Mania)
>> ?2. 7:45 new web2py features (Massimo Di Pierro)
>>
>>
>> Details
>> -------
>>
>> 1. Using OpenCV with Python and ROS
>> Bill Mania
>> A brief presentation of using the OpenCV computer vision toolset with Python and ROS. Included at the end will be a demonstration of tracking a colored object using a camera with servo-driven pan and tilt capability.
>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/4
>>
>> 2. new web2py features
>> Massimo Di Pierro
>> - wizard
>> - versioning
>> - digitally signed callbacks
>> - federated authentication
>> - multi-tenancy
>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/5
>>
>>
>> Location
>> --------
>>
>>
>> About the group
>> ---------------
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> (773) 669-7717
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Carl K

From brianherman at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 22:39:39 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:39:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sprint location (for Erlangers)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=ZuUgvdKOfzTeEzJW0-Nwu1fJOrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=ZuUgvdKOfzTeEzJW0-Nwu1fJOrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinuGjNVthcWoR5dSR7ECf7SnTKtDg@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe pumping station one?
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org








On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:

> Warning: does not contain Python content (but I know you guys are nice
> and won't yell at me!)
>
> I'm trying to line up some Saturday morning-to-afternoon space in or
> near the loop for an Erlang sprint in June. This is just a general
> free-for-all for anyone interested in hacking Erlang.
>
> Anyone have an idea for space for 10-15 people with wifi?
>
> Garrett
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From jough.dempsey at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 23:46:46 2011
From: jough.dempsey at gmail.com (Jough Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 16:46:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=cq1DxT5WccECXS80aHw-o4JcnSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
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http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/4/30/5b9625d7-2a3c-4c96-bce4-7d4e63938c59.jpg

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Please ignore this folks, I think Carl is just testing. ?We will have
>> more details and an official announcement as we get closer to the
>> meeting.
>>
>> Carl, any way we can test off the list?
>
> No way at all. ?What kind of crazy talk is that?
>
> I had code like this:
> if test:
> ?send to me
> else:
> ?send to everyone
>
> I was trying to add a third case: send to the presenters for review.
> Apparently I don't understand elif.
>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ChiPy
>>> =========================
>>> When: 7 PM Thursday June 9, 2011
>>> Where: Google
>>>
>>> Join us for the Best Meeting Ever!
>>>
>>> Topics
>>> ------
>>> ?1. 7:00 Using OpenCV with Python and ROS (Bill Mania)
>>> ?2. 7:45 new web2py features (Massimo Di Pierro)
>>>
>>>
>>> Details
>>> -------
>>>
>>> 1. Using OpenCV with Python and ROS
>>> Bill Mania
>>> A brief presentation of using the OpenCV computer vision toolset with Python and ROS. Included at the end will be a demonstration of tracking a colored object using a camera with servo-driven pan and tilt capability.
>>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/4
>>>
>>> 2. new web2py features
>>> Massimo Di Pierro
>>> - wizard
>>> - versioning
>>> - digitally signed callbacks
>>> - federated authentication
>>> - multi-tenancy
>>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/5
>>>
>>>
>>> Location
>>> --------
>>>
>>>
>>> About the group
>>> ---------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Ray
>> (773) 669-7717
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Jough Dempsey
http://jough.com
312.576.6738 (mobile)

From brianherman at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 01:23:50 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 18:23:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikwNE5op2=yHV20Ek0hsuVmfdiR3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
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	<BANLkTi=cq1DxT5WccECXS80aHw-o4JcnSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTikwNE5op2=yHV20Ek0hsuVmfdiR3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimiXdTg3J36aXs+sG==Be4M+moiDg@mail.gmail.com>

LOL
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org








On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Jough Dempsey <jough.dempsey at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/4/30/5b9625d7-2a3c-4c96-bce4-7d4e63938c59.jpg
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Please ignore this folks, I think Carl is just testing.  We will have
> >> more details and an official announcement as we get closer to the
> >> meeting.
> >>
> >> Carl, any way we can test off the list?
> >
> > No way at all.  What kind of crazy talk is that?
> >
> > I had code like this:
> > if test:
> >  send to me
> > else:
> >  send to everyone
> >
> > I was trying to add a third case: send to the presenters for review.
> > Apparently I don't understand elif.
> >
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> ChiPy
> >>> =========================
> >>> When: 7 PM Thursday June 9, 2011
> >>> Where: Google
> >>>
> >>> Join us for the Best Meeting Ever!
> >>>
> >>> Topics
> >>> ------
> >>>  1. 7:00 Using OpenCV with Python and ROS (Bill Mania)
> >>>  2. 7:45 new web2py features (Massimo Di Pierro)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Details
> >>> -------
> >>>
> >>> 1. Using OpenCV with Python and ROS
> >>> Bill Mania
> >>> A brief presentation of using the OpenCV computer vision toolset with
> Python and ROS. Included at the end will be a demonstration of tracking a
> colored object using a camera with servo-driven pan and tilt capability.
> >>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/4
> >>>
> >>> 2. new web2py features
> >>> Massimo Di Pierro
> >>> - wizard
> >>> - versioning
> >>> - digitally signed callbacks
> >>> - federated authentication
> >>> - multi-tenancy
> >>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/5
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Location
> >>> --------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> About the group
> >>> ---------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Brian Ray
> >> (773) 669-7717
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carl K
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Jough Dempsey
> http://jough.com
> 312.576.6738 (mobile)
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From tim.saylor at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 03:33:36 2011
From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 20:33:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimiXdTg3J36aXs+sG==Be4M+moiDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
	<BANLkTi==e244iuMh9natYx7aS=n6e0G+Yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=cq1DxT5WccECXS80aHw-o4JcnSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Carl, FYI:
http://timsaylor.com/index.php/2010/01/20/testing-email-in-django-the-easy-way/

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> LOL
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Jough Dempsey <jough.dempsey at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/4/30/5b9625d7-2a3c-4c96-bce4-7d4e63938c59.jpg
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Please ignore this folks, I think Carl is just testing.  We will have
>> >> more details and an official announcement as we get closer to the
>> >> meeting.
>> >>
>> >> Carl, any way we can test off the list?
>> >
>> > No way at all.  What kind of crazy talk is that?
>> >
>> > I had code like this:
>> > if test:
>> >  send to me
>> > else:
>> >  send to everyone
>> >
>> > I was trying to add a third case: send to the presenters for review.
>> > Apparently I don't understand elif.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> ChiPy
>> >>> =========================
>> >>> When: 7 PM Thursday June 9, 2011
>> >>> Where: Google
>> >>>
>> >>> Join us for the Best Meeting Ever!
>> >>>
>> >>> Topics
>> >>> ------
>> >>>  1. 7:00 Using OpenCV with Python and ROS (Bill Mania)
>> >>>  2. 7:45 new web2py features (Massimo Di Pierro)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Details
>> >>> -------
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. Using OpenCV with Python and ROS
>> >>> Bill Mania
>> >>> A brief presentation of using the OpenCV computer vision toolset with
>> Python and ROS. Included at the end will be a demonstration of tracking a
>> colored object using a camera with servo-driven pan and tilt capability.
>> >>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/4
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. new web2py features
>> >>> Massimo Di Pierro
>> >>> - wizard
>> >>> - versioning
>> >>> - digitally signed callbacks
>> >>> - federated authentication
>> >>> - multi-tenancy
>> >>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/5
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Location
>> >>> --------
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> About the group
>> >>> ---------------
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Chicago mailing list
>> >>> Chicago at python.org
>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Brian Ray
>> >> (773) 669-7717
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Carl K
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jough Dempsey
>> http://jough.com
>> 312.576.6738 (mobile)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jun  2 04:58:49 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:58:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=O-mfea8EsdQi3G4SnzO4=qc8wjA@mail.gmail.com>
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The lesson here is to take testing seriously.

What I was doing: lets run the code and see what happens!   I was
expecting either a syntax error or for it to do it's test thing.  but
when we got to the police officer's station there was a third
possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was both
immediately arrested.



On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Tim Saylor <tim.saylor at gmail.com> wrote:
> Carl,
> FYI:?http://timsaylor.com/index.php/2010/01/20/testing-email-in-django-the-easy-way/
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> LOL
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Jough Dempsey <jough.dempsey at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/4/30/5b9625d7-2a3c-4c96-bce4-7d4e63938c59.jpg
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Please ignore this folks, I think Carl is just testing. ?We will have
>>> >> more details and an official announcement as we get closer to the
>>> >> meeting.
>>> >>
>>> >> Carl, any way we can test off the list?
>>> >
>>> > No way at all. ?What kind of crazy talk is that?
>>> >
>>> > I had code like this:
>>> > if test:
>>> > ?send to me
>>> > else:
>>> > ?send to everyone
>>> >
>>> > I was trying to add a third case: send to the presenters for review.
>>> > Apparently I don't understand elif.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>> ChiPy
>>> >>> =========================
>>> >>> When: 7 PM Thursday June 9, 2011
>>> >>> Where: Google
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Join us for the Best Meeting Ever!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Topics
>>> >>> ------
>>> >>> ?1. 7:00 Using OpenCV with Python and ROS (Bill Mania)
>>> >>> ?2. 7:45 new web2py features (Massimo Di Pierro)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Details
>>> >>> -------
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 1. Using OpenCV with Python and ROS
>>> >>> Bill Mania
>>> >>> A brief presentation of using the OpenCV computer vision toolset with
>>> >>> Python and ROS. Included at the end will be a demonstration of tracking a
>>> >>> colored object using a camera with servo-driven pan and tilt capability.
>>> >>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/4
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2. new web2py features
>>> >>> Massimo Di Pierro
>>> >>> - wizard
>>> >>> - versioning
>>> >>> - digitally signed callbacks
>>> >>> - federated authentication
>>> >>> - multi-tenancy
>>> >>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/5
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Location
>>> >>> --------
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> About the group
>>> >>> ---------------
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> Chicago mailing list
>>> >>> Chicago at python.org
>>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >>
>>> >> Brian Ray
>>> >> (773) 669-7717
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Carl K
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jough Dempsey
>>> http://jough.com
>>> 312.576.6738?(mobile)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



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From brianherman at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 06:47:06 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 23:47:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimqK4jL7g4R6MWY9ZO+dc+CX1_CpQ@mail.gmail.com>
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but
when we got to the police officer's station there was a third
possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was both
immediately arrested.
???
WTF

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org








On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> The lesson here is to take testing seriously.
>
> What I was doing: lets run the code and see what happens!   I was
> expecting either a syntax error or for it to do it's test thing.  but
> when we got to the police officer's station there was a third
> possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was both
> immediately arrested.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Tim Saylor <tim.saylor at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Carl,
> > FYI:
> http://timsaylor.com/index.php/2010/01/20/testing-email-in-django-the-easy-way/
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> LOL
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian Herman
> >>
> >> brianjherman.com
> >> brianherman at acm.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Jough Dempsey <jough.dempsey at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/4/30/5b9625d7-2a3c-4c96-bce4-7d4e63938c59.jpg
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> >> Please ignore this folks, I think Carl is just testing.  We will
> have
> >>> >> more details and an official announcement as we get closer to the
> >>> >> meeting.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Carl, any way we can test off the list?
> >>> >
> >>> > No way at all.  What kind of crazy talk is that?
> >>> >
> >>> > I had code like this:
> >>> > if test:
> >>> >  send to me
> >>> > else:
> >>> >  send to everyone
> >>> >
> >>> > I was trying to add a third case: send to the presenters for review.
> >>> > Apparently I don't understand elif.
> >>> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> ChiPy
> >>> >>> =========================
> >>> >>> When: 7 PM Thursday June 9, 2011
> >>> >>> Where: Google
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Join us for the Best Meeting Ever!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Topics
> >>> >>> ------
> >>> >>>  1. 7:00 Using OpenCV with Python and ROS (Bill Mania)
> >>> >>>  2. 7:45 new web2py features (Massimo Di Pierro)
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Details
> >>> >>> -------
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> 1. Using OpenCV with Python and ROS
> >>> >>> Bill Mania
> >>> >>> A brief presentation of using the OpenCV computer vision toolset
> with
> >>> >>> Python and ROS. Included at the end will be a demonstration of
> tracking a
> >>> >>> colored object using a camera with servo-driven pan and tilt
> capability.
> >>> >>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/4
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> 2. new web2py features
> >>> >>> Massimo Di Pierro
> >>> >>> - wizard
> >>> >>> - versioning
> >>> >>> - digitally signed callbacks
> >>> >>> - federated authentication
> >>> >>> - multi-tenancy
> >>> >>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/5
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Location
> >>> >>> --------
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> About the group
> >>> >>> ---------------
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Brian Ray
> >>> >> (773) 669-7717
> >>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>> >> Chicago mailing list
> >>> >> Chicago at python.org
> >>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Carl K
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> > Chicago mailing list
> >>> > Chicago at python.org
> >>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jough Dempsey
> >>> http://jough.com
> >>> 312.576.6738 (mobile)
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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From theslade at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 07:32:20 2011
From: theslade at gmail.com (Francesca Slade)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 00:32:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
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Its an Alice's Restaurant reference
On Jun 1, 2011 11:47 PM, "Brian Herman" <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> but
> when we got to the police officer's station there was a third
> possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was both
> immediately arrested.
> ???
> WTF
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
wrote:
>
>> The lesson here is to take testing seriously.
>>
>> What I was doing: lets run the code and see what happens! I was
>> expecting either a syntax error or for it to do it's test thing. but
>> when we got to the police officer's station there was a third
>> possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was both
>> immediately arrested.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Tim Saylor <tim.saylor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Carl,
>> > FYI:
>>
http://timsaylor.com/index.php/2010/01/20/testing-email-in-django-the-easy-way/
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> LOL
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Brian Herman
>> >>
>> >> brianjherman.com
>> >> brianherman at acm.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Jough Dempsey <jough.dempsey at gmail.com
>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/4/30/5b9625d7-2a3c-4c96-bce4-7d4e63938c59.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> >> Please ignore this folks, I think Carl is just testing. We will
>> have
>> >>> >> more details and an official announcement as we get closer to the
>> >>> >> meeting.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Carl, any way we can test off the list?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > No way at all. What kind of crazy talk is that?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I had code like this:
>> >>> > if test:
>> >>> > send to me
>> >>> > else:
>> >>> > send to everyone
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I was trying to add a third case: send to the presenters for
review.
>> >>> > Apparently I don't understand elif.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>> ChiPy
>> >>> >>> =========================
>> >>> >>> When: 7 PM Thursday June 9, 2011
>> >>> >>> Where: Google
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Join us for the Best Meeting Ever!
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Topics
>> >>> >>> ------
>> >>> >>> 1. 7:00 Using OpenCV with Python and ROS (Bill Mania)
>> >>> >>> 2. 7:45 new web2py features (Massimo Di Pierro)
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Details
>> >>> >>> -------
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> 1. Using OpenCV with Python and ROS
>> >>> >>> Bill Mania
>> >>> >>> A brief presentation of using the OpenCV computer vision toolset
>> with
>> >>> >>> Python and ROS. Included at the end will be a demonstration of
>> tracking a
>> >>> >>> colored object using a camera with servo-driven pan and tilt
>> capability.
>> >>> >>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/4
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> 2. new web2py features
>> >>> >>> Massimo Di Pierro
>> >>> >>> - wizard
>> >>> >>> - versioning
>> >>> >>> - digitally signed callbacks
>> >>> >>> - federated authentication
>> >>> >>> - multi-tenancy
>> >>> >>> http://2011.pyohio.org/programme/schedule/view_talk/5
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Location
>> >>> >>> --------
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> About the group
>> >>> >>> ---------------
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> >>> Chicago mailing list
>> >>> >>> Chicago at python.org
>> >>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> --
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Brian Ray
>> >>> >> (773) 669-7717
>> >>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > Carl K
>> >>> > _______________________________________________
>> >>> > Chicago mailing list
>> >>> > Chicago at python.org
>> >>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Jough Dempsey
>> >>> http://jough.com
>> >>> 312.576.6738 (mobile)
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Chicago mailing list
>> >>> Chicago at python.org
>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 15:16:35 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:16:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
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On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> I had code like this:
> if test:
> ?send to me
> else:
> ?send to everyone
>
> I was trying to add a third case: send to the presenters for review.
> Apparently I don't understand elif.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sebastian_bergmann/2282734669/

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jun  2 15:31:13 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:31:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
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On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>> I had code like this:
>> if test:
>> ?send to me
>> else:
>> ?send to everyone
>>
>> I was trying to add a third case: send to the presenters for review.
>> Apparently I don't understand elif.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sebastian_bergmann/2282734669/
>  I find your lack of tests disturbing.

You would.

Testing is such a waste of CPU cycles.  If you are going to run code
give it a chance to do something useful.  otherwise just stay in bed.


-- 
Carl K

From maney at two14.net  Thu Jun  2 16:15:12 2011
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 09:15:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
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On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 12:32:20AM -0500, Francesca Slade wrote:
> On Jun 1, 2011 11:47 PM, "Brian Herman" <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > but
> > when we got to the police officer's station there was a third
> > possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was both
> > immediately arrested.
> > ???
> > WTF

> Its an Alice's Restaurant reference

And we trust that the circles and arrows with a description of what
each one meant that they drew on him will remind him how to do testing
of email spews in the future.  :-)

-- 
Microsoft, which used to say all the time that the software business
was ruthlessly competitive, is now matched against a competitor whose
model of production and distribution is so much better that Microsoft
stands no chance of prevailing in the long run. They're simply trying
to scare people out of dealing with a competitor they can't buy,
can't intimidate and can't stop. -- Eben Moglen


From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Thu Jun  2 17:36:20 2011
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:36:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] June Topics
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=rkLwMARJLAS=McsMQADhcZ8RavA@mail.gmail.com> (Brian Ray's
	message of "Mon, 23 May 2011 21:08:10 -0500")
References: <BANLkTi=rkLwMARJLAS=McsMQADhcZ8RavA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87mxi0jle3.fsf@grumps.lan>

There's a chance I'll present on http://mediagoblin.org ... put me down
as "tentative".  I should know tonight. :)

Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> writes:

> Looks like we have a viable office location (Google). We have
> food/drink sponsors (Coupon Cabin). I think we might have some
> presentations on the table, as well (Robotics? aka OpenCV).  Can we
> confirm that last point, Bill?
>
> Who else has something they want to propose? Recall folks, we are
> planning the best meeting ever.

-- 
??????????? ????? ??????

From verisimilidude at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 23:33:08 2011
From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 16:33:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinwugzF9+2q0xRj7Z1Duc3r-=pFTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
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On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> ...
> Testing is such a waste of CPU cycles. ?If you are going to run code
> give it a chance to do something useful. ?otherwise just stay in bed.
>

When I right some code it has no known bugs in it.  Then I add tests
and it takes FOREVER to get back to that starting point.

From verisimilidude at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 23:34:27 2011
From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 16:34:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinKL=KRR=y4AVOYp_k5WqtfrHq2uQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
	<BANLkTi==e244iuMh9natYx7aS=n6e0G+Yg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<BANLkTingV6v3bpiOfh58wTqwiBEf6a7BbA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Phil Robare <verisimilidude at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> Testing is such a waste of CPU cycles. ?If you are going to run code
>> give it a chance to do something useful. ?otherwise just stay in bed.
>>
>
When I r^Hi^Hg^Hh^Ht^H write some code it has no known bugs in it.
Then I add tests
and it takes FOREVER to get back to that starting point.

(as if to prove a point)

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jun  2 23:47:45 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 16:47:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=E3ncTAG6oC=tVUmv1oK4gV3hZwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
	<BANLkTi==e244iuMh9natYx7aS=n6e0G+Yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=cq1DxT5WccECXS80aHw-o4JcnSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTingV6v3bpiOfh58wTqwiBEf6a7BbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinwugzF9+2q0xRj7Z1Duc3r-=pFTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinKL=KRR=y4AVOYp_k5WqtfrHq2uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=E3ncTAG6oC=tVUmv1oK4gV3hZwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTindOQd1_ULJaiEcwjnBEf54WzfOjA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Phil Robare <verisimilidude at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Phil Robare <verisimilidude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Testing is such a waste of CPU cycles. ?If you are going to run code
>>> give it a chance to do something useful. ?otherwise just stay in bed.
>>>
>>
> When I r^Hi^Hg^Hh^Ht^H write some code it has no known bugs in it.
> Then I add tests
> and it takes FOREVER to get back to that starting point.
>
> (as if to prove a point)
>

Lets do some math:

Think about the code you rite... what % is buggy?  I am guessing 80%
of my code works the first time.
Think about the time spent testing - 2x as long as writing?

So if we stop fixing bugs and just write more code, there will be 160%
more working code in the same amount of time.

Oh, and we can stop messing with things like bug tracking systems.

-- 
Carl K

From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Jun  3 04:56:46 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 21:56:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats to Mentoring Project Participants
Message-ID: <BANLkTim4db5wuU6LqBTk7u=qcjuwAU8eyA@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats to those of you who added recent improvement, both mentors
and mentored to chipy.org, especially, Allan and Dan and several
others who are participating in the ChiPy Mentoring Program. Now we
can RSVP for next weeks meeting on the home page http://chipy.org  or
use one of these quick links (For Yes:
http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/33/yes for maybe:
http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/33/maybe ). Yes, you must create an
account. If that bother's me email me off the list to RSVP for next
weeks meeting.

If anyone sees anything wrong with functionality of chipy.org, pls
fill out a ticket: https://github.com/brianray/Chipy/issues/new

Also, there are more changes to come next month including maps.

The official notice for next weeks meeting will most likely go out
Monday or Tues. Nonetheless, you can ensure your spot if you RSVP
today.

Thanks and congrats, Brian

-- 

Brian Ray

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Fri Jun  3 22:03:25 2011
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:03:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats to Mentoring Project Participants
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim4db5wuU6LqBTk7u=qcjuwAU8eyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim4db5wuU6LqBTk7u=qcjuwAU8eyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=m9BshwvNQOJsDFgR8qZ2gT9Nxvg@mail.gmail.com>

The site looks great!

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats to those of you who added recent improvement, both mentors
> and mentored to chipy.org, especially, Allan and Dan and several
> others who are participating in the ChiPy Mentoring Program. Now we
> can RSVP for next weeks meeting on the home page http://chipy.org  or
> use one of these quick links (For Yes:
> http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/33/yes for maybe:
> http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/33/maybe ). Yes, you must create an
> account. If that bother's me email me off the list to RSVP for next
> weeks meeting.
>
> If anyone sees anything wrong with functionality of chipy.org, pls
> fill out a ticket: https://github.com/brianray/Chipy/issues/new
>
> Also, there are more changes to come next month including maps.
>
> The official notice for next weeks meeting will most likely go out
> Monday or Tues. Nonetheless, you can ensure your spot if you RSVP
> today.
>
> Thanks and congrats, Brian
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Sat Jun  4 00:00:57 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:00:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
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References: <20110601195853.6896.20207@localhost6.localdomain6>
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On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>
> Think about the code you rite... what % is buggy? ?I am guessing 80%
> of my code works the first time.
> Think about the time spent testing - 2x as long as writing?

Tests, much like fatty food, should be used sparingly.  But testing
your dry run feature is generally a good idea :)

>
> So if we stop fixing bugs and just write more code, there will be 160%
> more working code in the same amount of time.
>
> Oh, and we can stop messing with things like bug tracking systems.
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 21:05:50 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:05:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy Google Thu June 9, 7p
Message-ID: <BANLkTikJj4WpunZkUAAxwcmvrHNsVJUqmA@mail.gmail.com>

ChiPy
=========================
When: 7 PM Thursday June 9, 2011
Where: Google

Join us for the best meeting ever!

You will need to RSVP at http://chipy.org/


RSVP Quick Links:

YES http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/33/yes
MAYBE http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/33/maybe


Topics
------
? 1. 7:00 Using OpenCV with Python and ROS (Bill Mania and Eric Kinzle)
? 2. 7:45 break (CoubonCabin)
? 3. 8:00 New web2py features (Massimo Di Pierro)
? 4. 8:30 GNU MediaGoblin for a federated media future (Christopher Webber)


Details
-------

1. Using OpenCV with Python and ROS
Bill Mania and Eric Kinzle
A brief presentation of using the OpenCV computer vision toolset with
Python and ROS. Included at the end will be a demonstration of
tracking a colored object using a camera with servo-driven pan and
tilt capability.

2. break
CouponCabin and Google will supply food and drinks. Thank you for your
contribution.

3. New web2py features
Massimo Di Pierro
- wizard
- versioning
- digitally signed callbacks
- federated authentication
- multi-tenancy


4. GNU MediaGoblin for a federated media future
Christopher Webber
Talk will discuss GNU MediaGoblin the project and the infrastructure
choices made while constructing GNU MediaGoblin, as well as
instructions on how to get involved. ?Also: discussion of what
"federation" means and why the project matters.


Location
--------
Google Chicago office,
20 W Kinzie 17th floor
Chicago, IL 60610

Map: http://bit.ly/jrU7cL


About the group
---------------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also,
ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts
in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
ChiPy Announcement *ONLY* Mailing List:
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chipy-announce>
Python website: <http://python.org>

From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Jun  7 07:32:22 2011
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 01:32:22 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Seattle PyCamp 2011
Message-ID: <4DEDB7E6.2050306@unc.edu>

University of Washington Marketing and the Seattle Plone Gathering host 
the inaugural Seattle PyCamp 2011 at The Paul G. Allen Center for 
Computer Science & Engineering on Monday, August 29 through Friday, 
September 2, 2011.

Register today at http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/seapy11/

For beginners, this ultra-low-cost Python Boot Camp makes you productive 
so you can get your work done quickly. PyCamp emphasizes the features 
which make Python a simpler and more efficient language. Following along 
with example Python PushUps? speeds your learning process. Become a 
self-sufficient Python developer in just five days at PyCamp! PyCamp is 
conducted on the campus of the University of Washington in a state of 
the art high technology classroom.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc
office: 3313 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Jun  8 15:02:19 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:02:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Wow, June ChiPy, best ever
Message-ID: <B8FD4C65-F1F0-4591-BA00-244A7D2DB913@gmail.com>

Lot's of RSVPs and excitement about the meeting tomorrow!

RSVP here so we order enough pizza:

http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/33/yes

Mark my word, spread the word ... best meeting ... ever!

Cheers, Brian Ray



From brianherman at gmail.com  Wed Jun  8 23:42:08 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:42:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib & urllib2 will read file URLs security bug!
Message-ID: <BANLkTimr=2Jcb-aEF+4+AiK6bva9CnJveg@mail.gmail.com>

http://blog.codekills.net/archives/100-Python-security-tip-urlliburllib2-will-read-file-URLs.html
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jun  9 00:11:32 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:11:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib & urllib2 will read file URLs security bug!
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimr=2Jcb-aEF+4+AiK6bva9CnJveg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimr=2Jcb-aEF+4+AiK6bva9CnJveg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=GZB5ev5tc842fW3srbfp8AO27Hw@mail.gmail.com>

squidclient -p 8000 -m PURGE
http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages.gz

"""
For security purposes, Mozilla applications block links to local files
(and directories) from remote files. This includes linking to files on
your hard drive, on mapped network drives, and accessible via Uniform
Naming Convention (UNC) paths. This prevents a number of unpleasant
possibilities, including:
...
"""

I can appreciate that a browser should be a sand box with _very_
limited access to the rest of my system.  This lets me click around
the wild whacky web and not be too worried.

I have no such desire to put such limitations on applications I run.
They get full access to whatever the OS gives them access to.  the app
can use open('/etc/passwd'), cuz I allow apps to do that.  the fact
that an app can do it using some other function doesn't bother me.

So personally I don't see what the problem is.




On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://blog.codekills.net/archives/100-Python-security-tip-urlliburllib2-will-read-file-URLs.html
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Thu Jun  9 00:18:48 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:18:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib & urllib2 will read file URLs security bug!
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimr=2Jcb-aEF+4+AiK6bva9CnJveg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimr=2Jcb-aEF+4+AiK6bva9CnJveg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinX3Py=sGLYQngquyjU5rmTUAd2oQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 16:42, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> http://blog.codekills.net/archives/100-Python-security-tip-urlliburllib2-will-read-file-URLs.html
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman


It's certainly valid to read a file:// URL. You could definitely use this
incorrectly, but that would be a bug in your program, not in urllib/urllib2.

There *was* a security bug in Python where a 302 response could redirect you
to a file:// URL but that has since been fixed:
http://blog.python.org/2011/04/urllib-security-vulnerability-fixed.html. If
you are vulnerable to this, 2.6.7 was just released (source-only), 3.1.4 and
2.7.2 are on the last planned release candidate, and 3.2.1 is about to hit
another release candidate.
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From g at rre.tt  Thu Jun  9 00:21:52 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:21:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib & urllib2 will read file URLs security bug!
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinX3Py=sGLYQngquyjU5rmTUAd2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimr=2Jcb-aEF+4+AiK6bva9CnJveg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinX3Py=sGLYQngquyjU5rmTUAd2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=5Vi-M9CdTpKDHb7s+jsZdcc-pCg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 16:42, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://blog.codekills.net/archives/100-Python-security-tip-urlliburllib2-will-read-file-URLs.html
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>
> It's certainly valid to read a file:// URL. You could definitely use this
> incorrectly, but that would be a bug in your program, not in urllib/urllib2.

I think I actually found another security bug.

http://docs.python.org/library/functions.html#open

Oh... my... GOD

From steve at agilitynerd.com  Thu Jun  9 00:41:25 2011
From: steve at agilitynerd.com (Steve Schwarz)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:41:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib & urllib2 will read file URLs security bug!
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=GZB5ev5tc842fW3srbfp8AO27Hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimr=2Jcb-aEF+4+AiK6bva9CnJveg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=GZB5ev5tc842fW3srbfp8AO27Hw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTim3f5zMo8kZZPLkAAxFregrP0vw7g@mail.gmail.com>

>
> I have no such desire to put such limitations on applications I run.
> They get full access to whatever the OS gives them access to.  the app
> can use open('/etc/passwd'), cuz I allow apps to do that.  the fact
> that an app can do it using some other function doesn't bother me.
>
> So personally I don't see what the problem is.
>
>
But it isn't too hard to see how the unwary could reveal information from
their system to outsiders. Say you:
- run a python application server as a privileged user
- use
urllib2.urlopen("some-form-url-field-entered-by-a-malicious-user").read()
and display the output in a template run by that application server.

- A user submits file:///etc/passwd or some such to the form and data is
displayed via the application server
- A user submits file:///dev/zero to the form and the application server
reads from /dev/zero until memory is exhausted/swapping makes the server
unavailable.

Yes you would never run an application server with root permission and you
always scrub user input, etc. But I think the point of the warning is to be
aware that urlopen functions similarly to open() when given a file:
protocol.

Best Regards,

Steve
Blogs: http://agilitynerd.com/  http://tech.agilitynerd.com/
Dog Agility Search: http://googility.com/
Dog Agility Courses: http://agilitycourses.com/
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From carl at oddbird.net  Thu Jun  9 00:25:07 2011
From: carl at oddbird.net (Carl Meyer)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:25:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib & urllib2 will read file URLs security bug!
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=GZB5ev5tc842fW3srbfp8AO27Hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimr=2Jcb-aEF+4+AiK6bva9CnJveg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=GZB5ev5tc842fW3srbfp8AO27Hw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DEFF6C3.2040306@oddbird.net>

On 06/08/2011 05:11 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> I can appreciate that a browser should be a sand box with _very_
> limited access to the rest of my system.  This lets me click around
> the wild whacky web and not be too worried.
> 
> I have no such desire to put such limitations on applications I run.
> They get full access to whatever the OS gives them access to.  the app
> can use open('/etc/passwd'), cuz I allow apps to do that.  the fact
> that an app can do it using some other function doesn't bother me.
> 
> So personally I don't see what the problem is.

But a browser is just an "application that you run" too, and there are
other apps people might write that ought to be sandboxed similarly,
depending where they get their URLs from and what they do with them.

The point here (IMO) isn't "OMG Python is insecure" -- urllib ought to
be able to handle file:// URLs. It's just something you need to be
keenly aware of if you're writing a Python application that uses these
functions, because if you're accepting URLs from an external source you
could potentially be opening up access to the local system, when you
think you're just accessing remote URLs.

Carl

From orblivion at gmail.com  Thu Jun  9 01:06:06 2011
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 18:06:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib & urllib2 will read file URLs security bug!
In-Reply-To: <4DEFF6C3.2040306@oddbird.net>
References: <BANLkTimr=2Jcb-aEF+4+AiK6bva9CnJveg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=GZB5ev5tc842fW3srbfp8AO27Hw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DEFF6C3.2040306@oddbird.net>
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Perhaps they could add a "Safe" variant of the function.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Carl Meyer <carl at oddbird.net> wrote:

> On 06/08/2011 05:11 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> > I can appreciate that a browser should be a sand box with _very_
> > limited access to the rest of my system.  This lets me click around
> > the wild whacky web and not be too worried.
> >
> > I have no such desire to put such limitations on applications I run.
> > They get full access to whatever the OS gives them access to.  the app
> > can use open('/etc/passwd'), cuz I allow apps to do that.  the fact
> > that an app can do it using some other function doesn't bother me.
> >
> > So personally I don't see what the problem is.
>
> But a browser is just an "application that you run" too, and there are
> other apps people might write that ought to be sandboxed similarly,
> depending where they get their URLs from and what they do with them.
>
> The point here (IMO) isn't "OMG Python is insecure" -- urllib ought to
> be able to handle file:// URLs. It's just something you need to be
> keenly aware of if you're writing a Python application that uses these
> functions, because if you're accepting URLs from an external source you
> could potentially be opening up access to the local system, when you
> think you're just accessing remote URLs.
>
> Carl
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jun  9 01:34:55 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 18:34:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib & urllib2 will read file URLs security bug!
In-Reply-To: <4DEFF6C3.2040306@oddbird.net>
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	<BANLkTi=GZB5ev5tc842fW3srbfp8AO27Hw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DEFF6C3.2040306@oddbird.net>
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On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Carl Meyer <carl at oddbird.net> wrote:
> On 06/08/2011 05:11 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>> I can appreciate that a browser should be a sand box with _very_
>> limited access to the rest of my system. ?This lets me click around
>> the wild whacky web and not be too worried.
>>
>> I have no such desire to put such limitations on applications I run.
>> They get full access to whatever the OS gives them access to. ?the app
>> can use open('/etc/passwd'), cuz I allow apps to do that. ?the fact
>> that an app can do it using some other function doesn't bother me.
>>
>> So personally I don't see what the problem is.
>
> But a browser is just an "application that you run" too, and there are
> other apps people might write that ought to be sandboxed similarly,
> depending where they get their URLs from and what they do with them.
>
> The point here (IMO) isn't "OMG Python is insecure" -- urllib ought to
> be able to handle file:// URLs. It's just something you need to be
> keenly aware of if you're writing a Python application that uses these
> functions, because if you're accepting URLs from an external source you
> could potentially be opening up access to the local system, when you
> think you're just accessing remote URLs.

I can both not care and at the same time agree with your points, which
I think takes us into a possibly interesting discussion:

So far the examples given are all about allowing random users to
submit UTIs which you then pass to urllib.   I am pretty sure that is
a bad idea even if it was restricted to URL's on the internet.
problems with this pattern: open proxy (if you relay the response) and
DOS node if you just have your server hit some other server at the
request of some untrusted user.

So given the use is at best questionable, should it matter that it has
other issues?

The people in this thread are now well aware of the issue, but is it
worth the effort to help other uninformed people?

I typically enjoy chasing issues long past the point where it benefits
me.  This seems one step beyond.  But I could be swayed.


-- 
Carl K

From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Thu Jun  9 04:13:24 2011
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 21:13:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] urllib & urllib2 will read file URLs security bug!
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=GZB5ev5tc842fW3srbfp8AO27Hw@mail.gmail.com> (Carl
	Karsten's message of "Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:11:32 -0500")
References: <BANLkTimr=2Jcb-aEF+4+AiK6bva9CnJveg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=GZB5ev5tc842fW3srbfp8AO27Hw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <871uz3ah17.fsf@grumps.lan>

It's not that it's a security bug, it's that people might just not be
thinking about it.

What if you have a web service that does some other recursive crawling
of other site based on requests, something that does recursive crawling
of a site, where it visits one URL, finds more relevant URLs from that
page, visits those URLs?  If somebody puts file:///etc/passwd (or
something worse, because these days /etc/passwd isn't usually the worst
thing you could hit) as an anchor tag, your web service might
accidentally serve up your /etc/passwd.

It's easy to say "oh well that's a feature", and it probably is!  But
it's also good to remind people about these kinds of things now and
then.  No harm anyway!

Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:

> squidclient -p 8000 -m PURGE
> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
>
> """
> For security purposes, Mozilla applications block links to local files
> (and directories) from remote files. This includes linking to files on
> your hard drive, on mapped network drives, and accessible via Uniform
> Naming Convention (UNC) paths. This prevents a number of unpleasant
> possibilities, including:
> ...
> """
>
> I can appreciate that a browser should be a sand box with _very_
> limited access to the rest of my system.  This lets me click around
> the wild whacky web and not be too worried.
>
> I have no such desire to put such limitations on applications I run.
> They get full access to whatever the OS gives them access to.  the app
> can use open('/etc/passwd'), cuz I allow apps to do that.  the fact
> that an app can do it using some other function doesn't bother me.
>
> So personally I don't see what the problem is.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://blog.codekills.net/archives/100-Python-security-tip-urlliburllib2-will-read-file-URLs.html
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>

-- 
The bottom line.

From jordanb at hafdconsulting.com  Thu Jun  9 20:36:22 2011
From: jordanb at hafdconsulting.com (Jordan Bettis)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:36:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats to Mentoring Project Participants
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim4db5wuU6LqBTk7u=qcjuwAU8eyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim4db5wuU6LqBTk7u=qcjuwAU8eyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DF112A6.5050405@hafdconsulting.com>

On 06/02/2011 09:56 PM, Brian Ray wrote:
> http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/33/maybe ). Yes, you must create an
> account. If that bother's me email me off the list to RSVP for next
> weeks meeting.

^-- this is a user-hostile design.

Especially given that you also have to confirm an email address to
create an account, and you can't login until it's confirmed, and then
after you're confirmed, you're still not logged in and you have to do
that before you can go back to the page and RSVP.

So in short the process is this:
1. Go to chypy.org
2. Press the RSVP button
3. Get an error about needing an account
4. Make an account, providing an email address and generating yet
another password in your password manager.
5. Go to your email reader and wait for the confirmation to arrive.
6. Click on the confirmation, going back to the web.
7. Find you're still not logged in, even though you were just confirmed.
8. Fetch the password back out of your manager so you can finally login.
9. Go back to the homepage and finally RSVP.

A good rule of thumb when designing software is stopping and saying to
yourself, "Would I rather stick a fork in my eye than go through the
process I just created?" If the answer is "yes," it might need a rethink.


From brentodd at gmail.com  Sat Jun 11 21:39:17 2011
From: brentodd at gmail.com (Brennan Todd)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:39:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats to Mentoring Project Participants
In-Reply-To: <4DF112A6.5050405@hafdconsulting.com>
References: <BANLkTim4db5wuU6LqBTk7u=qcjuwAU8eyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DF112A6.5050405@hafdconsulting.com>
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>
>
> A good rule of thumb when designing software is stopping and saying to
> yourself, "Would I rather stick a fork in my eye than go through the
> process I just created?" If the answer is "yes," it might need a rethink.
>
>
I went through the above process, and at no point in the entire 2-3 minute
process did I consider it more onerous than a fork in the eye. The fact that
I did have to log in again after registering was a slight annoyance - but
even then, at no point did I consider forking myself.
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From johnstoner2 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 11 22:18:52 2011
From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:18:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats to Mentoring Project Participants
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimxWmY9Lme44wzkFuBQ54dk4Ey6_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim4db5wuU6LqBTk7u=qcjuwAU8eyA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Brennan Todd <brentodd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> A good rule of thumb when designing software is stopping and saying to
>> yourself, "Would I rather stick a fork in my eye than go through the
>> process I just created?" If the answer is "yes," it might need a rethink.
>>
>
> I went through the above process, and at no point in the entire 2-3 minute
> process did I consider it more onerous than a fork in the eye. The fact that
> I did have to log in again after registering was a slight annoyance - but
> even then, at no point did I consider forking myself.

still, it could certainly be better. I went through it too, and
thought, 'oh, ugh, this stupid little dance, just to RSVP.'

I wouldn't really call it 'a fork in the eye.' I might call it
'unpolished.' Which is fine. It's new.


-- 
blogs:
http://johnstoner.wordpress.com/
'In knowledge is power; in? wisdom, humility.'

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Sun Jun 12 02:33:08 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:33:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats to Mentoring Project Participants
In-Reply-To: <4DF112A6.5050405@hafdconsulting.com>
References: <BANLkTim4db5wuU6LqBTk7u=qcjuwAU8eyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DF112A6.5050405@hafdconsulting.com>
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 13:36, Jordan Bettis <jordanb at hafdconsulting.com>wrote:

> On 06/02/2011 09:56 PM, Brian Ray wrote:
> > http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/33/maybe ). Yes, you must create an
> > account. If that bother's me email me off the list to RSVP for next
> > weeks meeting.
>
> ^-- this is a user-hostile design.
>
> Especially given that you also have to confirm an email address to
> create an account, and you can't login until it's confirmed, and then
> after you're confirmed, you're still not logged in and you have to do
> that before you can go back to the page and RSVP.
>
> So in short the process is this:
> 1. Go to chypy.org
> 2. Press the RSVP button
> 3. Get an error about needing an account
> 4. Make an account, providing an email address and generating yet
> another password in your password manager.
> 5. Go to your email reader and wait for the confirmation to arrive.
> 6. Click on the confirmation, going back to the web.
> 7. Find you're still not logged in, even though you were just confirmed.
> 8. Fetch the password back out of your manager so you can finally login.
> 9. Go back to the homepage and finally RSVP.
>
> A good rule of thumb when designing software is stopping and saying to
> yourself, "Would I rather stick a fork in my eye than go through the
> process I just created?" If the answer is "yes," it might need a rethink.


Good thing it's just a RSVP system for a local user group, created by
volunteers.
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From steve at agilitynerd.com  Sun Jun 12 17:43:09 2011
From: steve at agilitynerd.com (Steve Schwarz)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 10:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats to Mentoring Project Participants
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References: <BANLkTim4db5wuU6LqBTk7u=qcjuwAU8eyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DF112A6.5050405@hafdconsulting.com>
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Jordan Bettis <jordanb at hafdconsulting.com>wrote:

> On 06/02/2011 09:56 PM, Brian Ray wrote:
> > http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/33/maybe ). Yes, you must create an
> > account. If that bother's me email me off the list to RSVP for next
> > weeks meeting.
>
> ^-- this is a user-hostile design.


I am thankful to all who volunteered their time and effort to improve the
site and add new functionality. I appreciate all the work you have done.
I've done some Django work and played a little with Pinax. Please let me
know if I can be of assistance.

Best Regards,
Steve
Blogs: http://agilitynerd.com/  http://tech.agilitynerd.com/
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From eviljoel at linux.com  Wed Jun 15 15:09:24 2011
From: eviljoel at linux.com (eviljoel)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:09:24 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] BARcamp Chicago 2011 - July 9th & 10th - Chicago, Illinois
Message-ID: <BANLkTinOekECL4wggDP2HEjFNsm5cbVBTw@mail.gmail.com>

BARcamp Chicago 2011 - July 9th & 10th - Chicago, Illinois


What is a BARcamp?

A BARcamp is a participation oriented event focusing on some of the
best parts of conferences: between session discussions, knowledge
sharing and socializing. All the talks are given by attendees and the
schedule is decided the day of the event. The event is FREE and open
to the public.


What Can I Expect at BARcamp Chicago?

You can expect great discussions, presentations, workshops and demos
from some of Chicago?s brightest minds and technology companies.
Attendees are encouraged to participate by giving talks, asking
questions, having side discussions, sharing ideas and knowledge. Along
with talks there are people working together on projects, ideas and
companies.

You can get a better idea about what BARcamp Chicago is about by
viewing photos and videos from previous years:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/barcampchicago2008/pool/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/53392972 at N08/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-JFqkk2YOE


When is BARcamp Chicago?

BARcamp Chicago 2011 will be held from 10:00 AM on July 9th through
7:00 PM on July 10th.  BARcamp Chicago is a continuous event.  Feel
free to bring a sleeping bag and spend the night if you wish.


Where is BARcamp Chicago?

This year BARcamp Chicago will be located at our friendly neighborhood
hackerspace, Pumping Station: One.  Pumping Station: One is located at
3354 North Elston, Chicago, IL 60618.

Via public transportation, Pumping Station: One is just a 15 minute
walk from the Belmont Blue Line station.  Alternately you can take the
77 Belmont bus east from the Belmont Blue Line station to Sacramento
and walk another 5 minutes north from there.  By car, Pumping Station:
One is just a five minute drive from the 90/94 Expressway.  Free
street parking is readily available.

Better directions will be available on our website soon.


How Much Does BARcamp Chicago Cost:

Thanks to our sponsors, BARcamp Chicago is 100% FREE.  Free food and
drink will also be provided.


Website

For registration and updated information please visit our website at
http://barcampchicago.org/.  Registration is recommended but NOT
required.


Presenters Wanted!

Do you think you know something that others might like to learn about?
 Of course you do!  Consider giving a talk about it at BARcamp
Chicago.  All types of presentations are welcome as long as they are
educational and interesting.  While presentation slides are by no
means required, we will have projectors available for those who which
to use them.


BARcompany

Create a startup in a weekend!  BARcamp Chicago is not only a great
place to find business partners; it is also an excellent place to
prototype your first product.  Attendees are encouraged to work with
others to form and create a business before the end of the weekend.
At our closing event, your startup will demo your prototype to BARcamp
attendees and our judges.  Our judges will then vote on the best, most
feasible new business.

Our BARcompany winner from last year is actually a BARcamp Chicago
sponsor this year!


Sponsors

BARcamp Chicago would like to thank to thank our sponsors:  Pumping
Station: One, RuggedScents, O'reilly, PSC Group, Peapod, Google, Todd
Carothers and Technori.

If you would like to become a BARcamp Chicago sponsor, please e-mail
Kevin Harriss at kharriss at barcampchicago.org .

From ksilha at gmail.com  Wed Jun 15 17:09:55 2011
From: ksilha at gmail.com (Kevin Silha)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:09:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Seeking Freelancer
Message-ID: <BANLkTin4wj7iCoBpwJOMncH1tkpVXLa_pQ@mail.gmail.com>

I need somebody who knows a fair amount about Linux security for several
hours of freelance work.



The situation?



Trying to pass a SOAP request from Salesforce.com, through a simple proxy
built with Python/Django on a Linux server living on Amazon EC2, to AT&T to
retrieve some information to send back to Salesforce. The issues are,
Salesforce has a whitelist for Cert signers they accept preventing a direct
request, AT&T is locked down like fort knox, and I know little about
SSL/Certificates/etc.



I need someone to configure the proxy to successfully pass the request to
AT&T. I have the cert, documentation from AT&T, so this should not be too
hard for somebody who knows this stuff. I can forward the documentation to
anyone interested, and perhaps you can return an estimate.



My company really needs a few reliable resources for this sort of thing
since we run into these sort of issues from time to time. If anyone would
like a little extra work, please contact me. We are in Oak Brook.



Best Regards,

Kevin Silha



*Keystone Business Services*

1100 Jorie Boulevard Suite 370

Oak Brook IL 60523

Office: 630.401.8426

Fax: 630.839.2000

Web: http://www.mykeystonebusiness.com



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From ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com  Wed Jun 15 17:29:16 2011
From: ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com (Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.])
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:29:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Seeking Freelancer
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTin4wj7iCoBpwJOMncH1tkpVXLa_pQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTin4wj7iCoBpwJOMncH1tkpVXLa_pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DF8CFCC.5060604@contextualcorp.com>

FWIW, there's a pretty nice, FOSS, add-on for the Plone CMS that 
provides Plone CMS to Salesforce.com integration.  If nothing else, it 
could provide some help in the Python details for getting data in/out of 
SF, if you don't have that part down yet.

Plone:  plone.org
Base SF Connector add-on for Plone:  
http://plone.org/products/salesforcebaseconnector
PloneFormGen add-on for Plone (gets form data to SF with nice form-to-SF 
DB mapping UI):  http://plone.org/products/salesforcepfgadapter
SF RSVP Event Reg add-on for Plone:  
http://plone.org/products/collective.salesforce.rsvp

Cheers,
Ken Wasetis
ken <dot> wasetis <at> contextualcorp <dot> com
Contextual Corp.


On 6/15/11 10:09 AM, Kevin Silha wrote:
>
> I need somebody who knows a fair amount about Linux security for 
> several hours of freelance work.
>
> The situation?
>
> Trying to pass a SOAP request from Salesforce.com, through a simple 
> proxy built with Python/Django on a Linux server living on Amazon EC2, 
> to AT&T to retrieve some information to send back to Salesforce. The 
> issues are, Salesforce has a whitelist for Cert signers they accept 
> preventing a direct request, AT&T is locked down like fort knox, and I 
> know little about SSL/Certificates/etc.
>
> I need someone to configure the proxy to successfully pass the request 
> to AT&T. I have the cert, documentation from AT&T, so this should not 
> be too hard for somebody who knows this stuff. I can forward the 
> documentation to anyone interested, and perhaps you can return an 
> estimate.
>
> My company really needs a few reliable resources for this sort of 
> thing since we run into these sort of issues from time to time. If 
> anyone would like a little extra work, please contact me. We are in 
> Oak Brook.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Kevin Silha
>
> *Keystone Business Services*
>
> 1100 Jorie Boulevard Suite 370
>
> Oak Brook IL 60523
>
> Office: 630.401.8426
>
> Fax: 630.839.2000
>
> Web: http://www.mykeystonebusiness.com 
> <http://www.mykeystonebusiness.com/>
>
> The information contained in this email communication and its 
> attachments, if any, is the property of Keystone Business Services, 
> Inc., includes privileged and confidential materials, and is intended 
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Jun 15 19:58:34 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:58:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy *North* needs organizer
Message-ID: <BANLkTinTqRBzty63B+sYhBpA5r7M_SX6ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks:

Anyone up for organizing the ChiPy North meeting for June 23rd? I will
be out of town. Please someone step up to keep the ball rolling on
this great group.  I will give you access to the admin panel so you
have a place to add details like: venue, speakers, food...

Thanks, Brian

From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Thu Jun 16 08:10:59 2011
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 6:10:59 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] From Paul May Assoc.  Python Web Developer - Deerfield
Message-ID: <201043024752889@127.0.0.1>

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Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
 
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From 1248283536 at qq.com  Fri Jun 17 12:27:21 2011
From: 1248283536 at qq.com (=?gbk?B?ytjW6rT9zcM=?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:27:21 +0800
Subject: [Chicago] how to use multithread  to download?
Message-ID: <tencent_70513FAC09B1825B4FD54B44@qq.com>

i have written a program to download an online book:
http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/pytut/

import time
import urllib
import lxml.html
import os
time1=time.time()
os.mkdir('/tmp/python')
down='http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/pytut/'
file=urllib.urlopen(down).read()
root=lxml.html.fromstring(file)
tnodes = root.xpath("//div[@class='main']//ul/li/a")
for x in tnodes:
      url='http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/pytut/'+x.get('href')
      name=x.text
      myfile=open('/tmp/python/'+name,'a')
      page=urllib.urlopen(url).read()
      myfile.write(page)
      myfile.close()
time2=time.time()
print  time2-time1

it's slow , would  you  mind to revise it with multithread??
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 18:30:49 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:30:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] how to use multithread to download?
In-Reply-To: <tencent_70513FAC09B1825B4FD54B44@qq.com>
References: <tencent_70513FAC09B1825B4FD54B44@qq.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=dzj0KT2fsbFJzkxiQ_9K35W5Rjw@mail.gmail.com>

2011/6/17 ???? <1248283536 at qq.com>:

> it's slow , would? you? mind to revise it with multithread??
>

Generally, I am not sure making anything multithreaded in cPython will
make it faster, per see. However, in this case I can see where if some
web requests are slow you could go on with other ones so perhaps.

As always, pin point why slow. Is it network communication, I/O, cpu
time... I guess if is slow due to I/O the cPython might make a
difference; however, usually it will not so much.  You can add more
logging to get some idea.

If you do want to make multi threaded it is pretty simple. Create a
class that inherits from threading.Thread. Send in the constructor the
url you want it to grab. overwrite the run() method to do the heavy
lifting. Instantiate an instance of your class, and start(). from the
caller you want to check on completion before you exit.

There are other choices of approaches to threading like making
sub-process or using async tasks. It would be interesting to take a
couple and test with your simple example. Then present at chipy your
results ;)

You may want to think about async tasks with a framework like twisted
or something. In fact, this somewhat amusing non scientific experiment
uses twisted to run different implementations.
http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2010/03/hello.html . also, inside these
tests they show some differences based on python implementations.

Again, before you start it really would help if you take a closer look
at the problem your trying to solve. First take what you have and try
to figure out if it always takes the same amount of time overall / per
piece ..

Regards, Brian

From jesselondon at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 19:56:40 2011
From: jesselondon at gmail.com (Jesse London)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:56:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] how to use multithread to download?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=dzj0KT2fsbFJzkxiQ_9K35W5Rjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <tencent_70513FAC09B1825B4FD54B44@qq.com>
	<BANLkTi=dzj0KT2fsbFJzkxiQ_9K35W5Rjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinm9WhzBEeumdmHbTzJK10rgj8HHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would only add to that that, if you're requesting multiple resources from
the same host, you might be able to speed up the networking portion using
the urllib3 library, which supports connection pooling ?
http://code.google.com/p/urllib3/ (Threading would be another story.)

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2011/6/17 ???? <1248283536 at qq.com>:
>
> > it's slow , would  you  mind to revise it with multithread??
> >
>
> Generally, I am not sure making anything multithreaded in cPython will
> make it faster, per see. However, in this case I can see where if some
> web requests are slow you could go on with other ones so perhaps.
>
> As always, pin point why slow. Is it network communication, I/O, cpu
> time... I guess if is slow due to I/O the cPython might make a
> difference; however, usually it will not so much.  You can add more
> logging to get some idea.
>
> If you do want to make multi threaded it is pretty simple. Create a
> class that inherits from threading.Thread. Send in the constructor the
> url you want it to grab. overwrite the run() method to do the heavy
> lifting. Instantiate an instance of your class, and start(). from the
> caller you want to check on completion before you exit.
>
> There are other choices of approaches to threading like making
> sub-process or using async tasks. It would be interesting to take a
> couple and test with your simple example. Then present at chipy your
> results ;)
>
> You may want to think about async tasks with a framework like twisted
> or something. In fact, this somewhat amusing non scientific experiment
> uses twisted to run different implementations.
> http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2010/03/hello.html . also, inside these
> tests they show some differences based on python implementations.
>
> Again, before you start it really would help if you take a closer look
> at the problem your trying to solve. First take what you have and try
> to figure out if it always takes the same amount of time overall / per
> piece ..
>
> Regards, Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Jun 17 23:49:25 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:49:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] video pledge break
Message-ID: <BANLkTim0C+WKcwzMhCJ0YPGtpX8Dch5gJw@mail.gmail.com>

As promised at the last meeting, I set up a pledgie project.
http://pledgie.com/campaigns/15495

Coming up with the description was a pain.  I am only 1/2 happy with what is
there.  I am guessing it doesn't matter for people who know me and what I
do, but I am hoping to use this model for other groups like Java Script,
Erlang and maybe some dry meetings too.  real soon now I need to figure out
the details for something like PyTX.   So if you have suggestions, send them
over.

Thanks gang, now pick up the phone and pledge!   Be the first this hour and
get a coffee cup.   ...from your cupboard and make yourself some coffee, you
deserve it.


-- 
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From dale at codefu.org  Fri Jun 17 17:15:32 2011
From: dale at codefu.org (Dale Sedivec)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:15:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] how to use multithread to download?
In-Reply-To: <tencent_70513FAC09B1825B4FD54B44@qq.com>
References: <tencent_70513FAC09B1825B4FD54B44@qq.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikBcU2Ed_XFJyVmAUnodxn3vrcvkA@mail.gmail.com>

2011/6/17 ???? <1248283536 at qq.com>:
> i have written a program to download an online book:
> http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/pytut/
>
> import time
> import urllib
> import lxml.html
> import os
> time1=time.time()
> os.mkdir('/tmp/python')
> down='http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/pytut/'
> file=urllib.urlopen(down).read()
> root=lxml.html.fromstring(file)
> tnodes = root.xpath("//div[@class='main']//ul/li/a")
> for x in tnodes:
> ? url='http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/pytut/'+x.get('href')
> ? name=x.text
> ? myfile=open('/tmp/python/'+name,'a')
> ? page=urllib.urlopen(url).read()
> ? myfile.write(page)
> ? myfile.close()
> time2=time.time()
> print time2-time1
>
> it's slow , would? you? mind to revise it with multithread??

Are you sure that the person running this site would welcome lots of
parallel hits coming from you to download the book they're giving
away?  My initial reaction is that you should not parallelize this
task as a matter of politeness.  I have to believe your bottleneck
here is the HTTP request/response; there's nothing super CPU or I/O
intensive on your side.  I'd be surprised if there are more than 150
links on that page.  It can't take _that_ long to download them
sequentially, right?  I suspect many administrators would not welcome
a big flurry of parallel hits to their web site--especially not to
download a book they're giving away in the first place.

Approaching this solely as a hypothetical exercise for learning
parallel processing in Python, I think I'd use something like
multiprocessing.Pool from the standard library (Python 2.6 or later).
Probably Pool.map calling a tiny function to fetch and store each URL
(i.e. most of the inside of that loop).  Maybe using a smallish
chunksize to Pool.map.  Note that this will actually use separate
processes, not threads, but I don't see how that would matter in this
case.

But please don't use this knowledge to download this book in parallel
unless you know the people that run that site wouldn't mind.

Dale

From jchampness at alpineaccess.com  Fri Jun 17 17:56:09 2011
From: jchampness at alpineaccess.com (Champness, Jacob)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:56:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Senior Software Engineer (Django)
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From eric at intellovations.com  Sat Jun 18 03:51:42 2011
From: eric at intellovations.com (Eric Floehr)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:51:42 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] PyOhio 2011 Registration Open
Message-ID: <BANLkTikUGFTZgVsKby9CDsRzq_am4tJWng@mail.gmail.com>

All,

PyOhio 2011 registration is now officially open!

PyOhio is a two-day conference on July 30 and 31, 2011 at the Ohio
Union at the Ohio State University (same place as last year) in
Columbus, Ohio.  We have some great sponsors this year, some great
giveaways planned (official announcements soon), and from the looks of
the talk, tutorial, and panel submissions, some awesome talks this
year.  We will even have T-Shirts this year!

As always, the conference is free, and we will provide coffee, tea,
pop, and snacks.  We might need to ask for T--Shirt money, but it will
be at-cost, and optional.  But I think a T-Shirt will be an awesome
souvenir for a great weekend!

Please register at http://www.pyohio.org and then click "Register".

I look forward to seeing you at PyOhio this year!!

Best Regards,
Eric

From thatmattbone at gmail.com  Sat Jun 18 14:35:16 2011
From: thatmattbone at gmail.com (Matt Bone)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:35:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] how to use multithread to download?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikBcU2Ed_XFJyVmAUnodxn3vrcvkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <tencent_70513FAC09B1825B4FD54B44@qq.com>
	<BANLkTikBcU2Ed_XFJyVmAUnodxn3vrcvkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=4-vQ11qmWLkAHxcGrE1xU=QqwWw@mail.gmail.com>

You may be interested in this pycon talk:
http://blip.tv/pycon-us-videos-2009-2010-2011/pycon-2011-backup-is-hard-let-s-go-shopping-4897842

Which discusses how to combine asyncore and httplib.  Relevant bits
start at  ~11 minutes in.

--matt

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Dale Sedivec <dale at codefu.org> wrote:
> 2011/6/17 ???? <1248283536 at qq.com>:
>> i have written a program to download an online book:
>> http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/pytut/
>>
>> import time
>> import urllib
>> import lxml.html
>> import os
>> time1=time.time()
>> os.mkdir('/tmp/python')
>> down='http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/pytut/'
>> file=urllib.urlopen(down).read()
>> root=lxml.html.fromstring(file)
>> tnodes = root.xpath("//div[@class='main']//ul/li/a")
>> for x in tnodes:
>> ? url='http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/pytut/'+x.get('href')
>> ? name=x.text
>> ? myfile=open('/tmp/python/'+name,'a')
>> ? page=urllib.urlopen(url).read()
>> ? myfile.write(page)
>> ? myfile.close()
>> time2=time.time()
>> print time2-time1
>>
>> it's slow , would? you? mind to revise it with multithread??
>
> Are you sure that the person running this site would welcome lots of
> parallel hits coming from you to download the book they're giving
> away? ?My initial reaction is that you should not parallelize this
> task as a matter of politeness. ?I have to believe your bottleneck
> here is the HTTP request/response; there's nothing super CPU or I/O
> intensive on your side. ?I'd be surprised if there are more than 150
> links on that page. ?It can't take _that_ long to download them
> sequentially, right? ?I suspect many administrators would not welcome
> a big flurry of parallel hits to their web site--especially not to
> download a book they're giving away in the first place.
>
> Approaching this solely as a hypothetical exercise for learning
> parallel processing in Python, I think I'd use something like
> multiprocessing.Pool from the standard library (Python 2.6 or later).
> Probably Pool.map calling a tiny function to fetch and store each URL
> (i.e. most of the inside of that loop). ?Maybe using a smallish
> chunksize to Pool.map. ?Note that this will actually use separate
> processes, not threads, but I don't see how that would matter in this
> case.
>
> But please don't use this knowledge to download this book in parallel
> unless you know the people that run that site wouldn't mind.
>
> Dale
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From tonkinjs at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 21 18:40:44 2011
From: tonkinjs at yahoo.com (Jonathan Tonkin)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Several items that may be of interest to group members
Message-ID: <780935.25870.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello,

While this may not be directly related to group topics, here are several items that may be of interest to group members.

1.) (shortest first) The Chicago Chapter of the ACM is now on Facebook and Twitter.? Join our Facebook Group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=59120137059) or follow us on Twitter (username:? chicagoacm).

2.) Chicago Chapter of the ACM Planning Meeting

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 7:00 pm

Loyola University Water Tower Campus (Chicago/Michigan Area)
111 E. Pearson Street, Chicago IL 60611
Beane Ballroom (13th Floor, Lewis Towers)

Campus map: http://www.luc.edu/about/pdfs/wtc_may09.pdf

Admission: Free (General Admission, No Reserved Seats) 
Details at http://www.chicagoacm.org/.

We will be meeting to plan out the schedule of invited speakers and talk themes for the Chicago Chapter ACM monthly meetings running from Sept - June. If you have ideas or suggestions, come and share your opinions to fill the calendar with interesting events. If you cannot make it to the meeting you can email chair at chicagoacm.org. We will also be discussing the Chapter's financial status, membership fees, logistics and advertising plans.

Depending on the interests of those attending, the group will divide into two working sessions--one group (program committee) will discuss program ideas for upcoming meetings; the other (communications and membership) will talk about how the chapter can publicize itself through the website, social media and other means.

If you are interested in getting involved in the Chicago Chapter ACM, drop by on Wednesday 6/22.


Thanks,

Jonathan Tonkin
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From dean at gianthead.net  Wed Jun 22 14:13:31 2011
From: dean at gianthead.net (Dean Sellis)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:13:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy *North* needs organizer
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinTqRBzty63B+sYhBpA5r7M_SX6ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinTqRBzty63B+sYhBpA5r7M_SX6ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTintAhKt5jTeCYFgdQwwDPa96kQtPg@mail.gmail.com>

Unless I missed something it looks like the North meeting did not get
organized for tomorrow.  I would like to suggest we pass on this month's
meeting and regroup next month.  I won't be able to attend otherwise I'd be
happy to host again.

Dean

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey folks:
>
> Anyone up for organizing the ChiPy North meeting for June 23rd? I will
> be out of town. Please someone step up to keep the ball rolling on
> this great group.  I will give you access to the admin panel so you
> have a place to add details like: venue, speakers, food...
>
> Thanks, Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Jun 22 20:55:07 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:55:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
Message-ID: <BANLkTik5XOd3JzRTWM0+eM5FcAvjMEkeaA@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone have a place for us to meet?

This is not the "I want to talk" thread.  That is coming soon, and if
you start here it may make things  confusing.


-- 
Carl K

From MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com  Wed Jun 22 21:27:40 2011
From: MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com (Maxwell Friedman)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:27:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTik5XOd3JzRTWM0+eM5FcAvjMEkeaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTik5XOd3JzRTWM0+eM5FcAvjMEkeaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F41F@MSEX891.morningstar.com>

Hi All,

I think we should be able to host at Morningstar's office.  We are in
the loop at 22 W. Washington.

I will double check but I am pretty sure we will be fine.

Thanks.

-Max

-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org
[mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On
Behalf Of Carl Karsten
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:55 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed

Anyone have a place for us to meet?

This is not the "I want to talk" thread.  That is coming soon, and if
you start here it may make things  confusing.


-- 
Carl K
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From matt at mattokeefe.com  Wed Jun 22 21:41:29 2011
From: matt at mattokeefe.com (Matthew O'Keefe)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:41:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
In-Reply-To: <849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F41F@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
References: <BANLkTik5XOd3JzRTWM0+eM5FcAvjMEkeaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F41F@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTika-iffuHPXbwAWi0aD1MBhFtpnFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, we can host at Morningstar.

-Matt

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Maxwell Friedman <
MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I think we should be able to host at Morningstar's office.  We are in
> the loop at 22 W. Washington.
>
> I will double check but I am pretty sure we will be fine.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org
> [mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On
> Behalf Of Carl Karsten
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:55 PM
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
>
> Anyone have a place for us to meet?
>
> This is not the "I want to talk" thread.  That is coming soon, and if
> you start here it may make things  confusing.
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jun 23 00:45:34 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:45:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTika-iffuHPXbwAWi0aD1MBhFtpnFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTik5XOd3JzRTWM0+eM5FcAvjMEkeaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F41F@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
	<BANLkTika-iffuHPXbwAWi0aD1MBhFtpnFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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You have seating for 50,  projector and PA system, right?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Matthew O'Keefe <matt at mattokeefe.com> wrote:
> Yes, we can host at Morningstar.
> -Matt
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Maxwell Friedman
> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think we should be able to host at Morningstar's office. ?We are in
>> the loop at 22 W. Washington.
>>
>> I will double check but I am pretty sure we will be fine.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Max
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org
>> [mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On
>> Behalf Of Carl Karsten
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:55 PM
>> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
>> Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
>>
>> Anyone have a place for us to meet?
>>
>> This is not the "I want to talk" thread. ?That is coming soon, and if
>> you start here it may make things ?confusing.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com  Thu Jun 23 00:47:24 2011
From: MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com (Maxwell Friedman)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:47:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=NyYR=Ww1DKT2OHZGfoxTks5vp9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTik5XOd3JzRTWM0+eM5FcAvjMEkeaA@mail.gmail.com><849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F41F@MSEX891.morningstar.com><BANLkTika-iffuHPXbwAWi0aD1MBhFtpnFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=NyYR=Ww1DKT2OHZGfoxTks5vp9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F47D@MSEX891.morningstar.com>

Yes we do.

-Max

-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Carl Karsten
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:46 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] July venue needed

You have seating for 50,  projector and PA system, right?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Matthew O'Keefe <matt at mattokeefe.com> wrote:
> Yes, we can host at Morningstar.
> -Matt
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Maxwell Friedman
> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think we should be able to host at Morningstar's office. ?We are in
>> the loop at 22 W. Washington.
>>
>> I will double check but I am pretty sure we will be fine.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Max
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org
>> [mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On
>> Behalf Of Carl Karsten
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:55 PM
>> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
>> Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
>>
>> Anyone have a place for us to meet?
>>
>> This is not the "I want to talk" thread. ?That is coming soon, and if
>> you start here it may make things ?confusing.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jun 23 00:56:23 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:56:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
In-Reply-To: <849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F47D@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
References: <BANLkTik5XOd3JzRTWM0+eM5FcAvjMEkeaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F41F@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
	<BANLkTika-iffuHPXbwAWi0aD1MBhFtpnFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=NyYR=Ww1DKT2OHZGfoxTks5vp9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F47D@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinc1rN7rzfpogwsfUUZkvTEhqXdKA@mail.gmail.com>

google map wants to know E or W Washington:

22 Washington Street, Chicago, IL


On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Maxwell Friedman
<MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
> Yes we do.
>
> -Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Carl Karsten
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:46 PM
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] July venue needed
>
> You have seating for 50, ?projector and PA system, right?
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Matthew O'Keefe <matt at mattokeefe.com> wrote:
>> Yes, we can host at Morningstar.
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Maxwell Friedman
>> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I think we should be able to host at Morningstar's office. ?We are in
>>> the loop at 22 W. Washington.
>>>
>>> I will double check but I am pretty sure we will be fine.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -Max
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org
>>> [mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Carl Karsten
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:55 PM
>>> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
>>> Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
>>>
>>> Anyone have a place for us to meet?
>>>
>>> This is not the "I want to talk" thread. ?That is coming soon, and if
>>> you start here it may make things ?confusing.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carl K
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com  Thu Jun 23 02:23:49 2011
From: MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com (Maxwell Friedman)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:23:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinc1rN7rzfpogwsfUUZkvTEhqXdKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTik5XOd3JzRTWM0+eM5FcAvjMEkeaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F41F@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
	<BANLkTika-iffuHPXbwAWi0aD1MBhFtpnFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=NyYR=Ww1DKT2OHZGfoxTks5vp9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F47D@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
	<BANLkTinc1rN7rzfpogwsfUUZkvTEhqXdKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B3699D53-55AA-4B34-9CA0-683B3909C8A2@morningstar.com>

West, on Washington between state and Dearborn.

-Max

On Jun 22, 2011, at 17:57, "Carl Karsten" <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> google map wants to know E or W Washington:
> 
> 22 Washington Street, Chicago, IL
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Maxwell Friedman
> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
>> Yes we do.
>> 
>> -Max
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Carl Karsten
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:46 PM
>> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Chicago] July venue needed
>> 
>> You have seating for 50,  projector and PA system, right?
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Matthew O'Keefe <matt at mattokeefe.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, we can host at Morningstar.
>>> -Matt
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Maxwell Friedman
>>> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> I think we should be able to host at Morningstar's office.  We are in
>>>> the loop at 22 W. Washington.
>>>> 
>>>> I will double check but I am pretty sure we will be fine.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> -Max
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org
>>>> [mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Carl Karsten
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:55 PM
>>>> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
>>>> Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone have a place for us to meet?
>>>> 
>>>> This is not the "I want to talk" thread.  That is coming soon, and if
>>>> you start here it may make things  confusing.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Carl K
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From g at rre.tt  Thu Jun 23 02:39:54 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:39:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] "Hands On" Erlang Sprint - July 23 at Sullys
Message-ID: <BANLkTikBPxgZ=K5_k9OpMzJgA1VrB=oCgg@mail.gmail.com>

The Chicago Erlang User Group is hosting a programming sprint Sat July
23 from 11am - 3pm.

Highlights:

- Emphasis on building working software (hands on!)
- Informal tracks planned for newbies and pros
- Bring code from work for review, advice, etc. (code remains private)
- In short, awesome opportunity to advance your mad Erlang skills!

Details here:

http://www.meetup.com/ErlangChicago/events/21931861/

If you happen to already be on Meetup, feel free to RSVP, but
otherwise, just show up with your laptop. There's plenty of room and
Sully's is a great venue for food and tasty beverages.

Garrett

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 16:08:20 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:08:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
In-Reply-To: <B3699D53-55AA-4B34-9CA0-683B3909C8A2@morningstar.com>
References: <BANLkTik5XOd3JzRTWM0+eM5FcAvjMEkeaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F41F@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
	<BANLkTika-iffuHPXbwAWi0aD1MBhFtpnFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=NyYR=Ww1DKT2OHZGfoxTks5vp9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F47D@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
	<BANLkTinc1rN7rzfpogwsfUUZkvTEhqXdKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B3699D53-55AA-4B34-9CA0-683B3909C8A2@morningstar.com>
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Ok, venue/meeting added! http://chipy.org/  This is going to be great!

Do we have food from Morningstar?  If not, should we look for some?

-- Brian

From matt at mattokeefe.com  Thu Jun 23 17:14:51 2011
From: matt at mattokeefe.com (Matthew O'Keefe)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:14:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=LgtjqUU4VtBaWd_b2YUohGiK=vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTik5XOd3JzRTWM0+eM5FcAvjMEkeaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F41F@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
	<BANLkTika-iffuHPXbwAWi0aD1MBhFtpnFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=NyYR=Ww1DKT2OHZGfoxTks5vp9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F47D@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
	<BANLkTinc1rN7rzfpogwsfUUZkvTEhqXdKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B3699D53-55AA-4B34-9CA0-683B3909C8A2@morningstar.com>
	<BANLkTi=LgtjqUU4VtBaWd_b2YUohGiK=vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimx-Z1eORamRFbFkg-05_KijcGGyA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, we will sponsor food and beverages. The best ever!

-Matt

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, venue/meeting added! http://chipy.org/  This is going to be great!
>
> Do we have food from Morningstar?  If not, should we look for some?
>
> -- Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From verisimilidude at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 19:17:42 2011
From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:17:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] In depth article on Python Packaging
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=GL06Vbj3EkZmPyXN08nhAS7FTeQ@mail.gmail.com>

I just came across a link to a new book on open source development
where they invited OS lead developers to describe the structure of
their applications, challenges, solutions, lessons learned, etc. Of
interest to this list is Chapter 14 by Tarek Ziade on Python Packaging
and the development of PyPI and distutils.
http://www.aosabook.org/en/packaging.html

The book is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0
Unported license (CC BY 3.0). It seems, to me anyway, like the sort of
interesting content that would enhance the Chipy website.  Or maybe it
should only be linked to in a blog post.  What do the new website
(good job, by the way) developers think?

From brianherman at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 20:10:24 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:10:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] July venue needed
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimx-Z1eORamRFbFkg-05_KijcGGyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTik5XOd3JzRTWM0+eM5FcAvjMEkeaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F41F@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
	<BANLkTika-iffuHPXbwAWi0aD1MBhFtpnFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=NyYR=Ww1DKT2OHZGfoxTks5vp9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE58F47D@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
	<BANLkTinc1rN7rzfpogwsfUUZkvTEhqXdKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B3699D53-55AA-4B34-9CA0-683B3909C8A2@morningstar.com>
	<BANLkTi=LgtjqUU4VtBaWd_b2YUohGiK=vw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTimx-Z1eORamRFbFkg-05_KijcGGyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTik1gHJWcTzfEaMqmC+_m8YpPCqktA@mail.gmail.com>

Morningstar is awesome!
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org








On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Matthew O'Keefe <matt at mattokeefe.com>wrote:

> Yes, we will sponsor food and beverages. The best ever!
>
> -Matt
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, venue/meeting added! http://chipy.org/  This is going to be great!
>>
>> Do we have food from Morningstar?  If not, should we look for some?
>>
>> -- Brian
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From tathagatadg at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 08:07:40 2011
From: tathagatadg at gmail.com (Tathagata Dasgupta)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 01:07:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Deploy django apps to Amazon EC2 with ONE command
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=27175PHN=ofhQJgNBfRHaAocK2w@mail.gmail.com>

via HN, https://github.com/gcollazo/Fabulous

-- 
Cheers,
Tathagata
Graduate Student
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois, Chicago

From brianherman at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 08:22:35 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 01:22:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Deploy django apps to Amazon EC2 with ONE command
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=27175PHN=ofhQJgNBfRHaAocK2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=27175PHN=ofhQJgNBfRHaAocK2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinTwUGxW=WMcSJQXUFeKaOeuSDgCg@mail.gmail.com>

Neat
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org








On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta
<tathagatadg at gmail.com>wrote:

> via HN, https://github.com/gcollazo/Fabulous
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Tathagata
> Graduate Student
> Department of Computer Science
> University of Illinois, Chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 08:36:09 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 01:36:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Deploy django apps to Amazon EC2 with ONE command
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=27175PHN=ofhQJgNBfRHaAocK2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=27175PHN=ofhQJgNBfRHaAocK2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimu1WOLw869Ue3J4NrXTOX49k4cUw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta
<tathagatadg at gmail.com>wrote:

> via HN, https://github.com/gcollazo/Fabulous
>

Hey, petty cool.

I wonder how this stacks up compared to the other fabric deployment we spoke
about in the past at ChiPy. Anybody know?

This is cool because it also crosses over into cloud land. Are we interested
enough to request Tathagata makes a talk out of this!?


-- 

Brian Ray
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 08:42:12 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 01:42:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Deploy django apps to Amazon EC2 with ONE command
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimu1WOLw869Ue3J4NrXTOX49k4cUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=27175PHN=ofhQJgNBfRHaAocK2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTimu1WOLw869Ue3J4NrXTOX49k4cUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=JEdqZ36_n_yEP+g1qbX_Uq6hcEg@mail.gmail.com>

YES YES YES TALK TALK TALK !
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org








On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta <tathagatadg at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> via HN, https://github.com/gcollazo/Fabulous
>>
>
> Hey, petty cool.
>
> I wonder how this stacks up compared to the other fabric deployment we
> spoke about in the past at ChiPy. Anybody know?
>
> This is cool because it also crosses over into cloud land. Are we
> interested enough to request Tathagata makes a talk out of this!?
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From tathagatadg at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 15:42:03 2011
From: tathagatadg at gmail.com (Tathagata Dasgupta)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:42:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Deploy django apps to Amazon EC2 with ONE command
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=JEdqZ36_n_yEP+g1qbX_Uq6hcEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=27175PHN=ofhQJgNBfRHaAocK2w@mail.gmail.com>
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Oops ... too little text must have given some wrong signals ...
@gcollazo is the best person to talk about _his_ creation. I'm still a
django n00b. [http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2700120] is where
pros were discussing it...

Interestingly there was another post in HN today, "Setting up Django
with Green Unicorn, nginx, supervisord and fabric on CentOS 5.5"
[http://kencochrane.net/blog/2011/06/django-gunicorn-nginx-supervisord-fabric-centos55/].

I think the talk Brian(Ray) (too many Brian-s are intoxicated with
Python - there's probably >4 of them in chipy itself) ... was the one
let me discover ChiPy - by the funniest Carl Karsten ...
http://bit.ly/jLR2LF , right?


On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:42 AM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> YES YES YES TALK TALK TALK !
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta
>> <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> via HN, https://github.com/gcollazo/Fabulous
>>
>> Hey, petty cool.
>> I wonder how this stacks up compared to the other fabric deployment we
>> spoke about in the past at ChiPy. Anybody know?
>> This is cool because it also crosses over into cloud land. Are we
>> interested enough to request?Tathagata makes a talk out of this!?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Ray
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Cheers,
Tathagata
Graduate Student
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois, Chicago

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 05:13:36 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:13:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python User Group International Survey
Message-ID: <BANLkTik8Pmsev6FujGe8HTJdOenAn9xLkQ@mail.gmail.com>

The PSF is happy to launch today an international survey of Python user
group organizers to help it better serve the large and ever-expanding
international Python user community.

The survey contains questions on user group organization, events,
demographics, and growth. There are some questions with numerical
answers, and while your best guess is fine, you may find it helpful to
gather some statistics on your user group membership before starting
the survey (example statistics include the number of active members
and the size and topics for recent user group events).

We expect this survey to take around 30 minutes to complete. We
appreciate your time and honesty in answering these questions.

The PSF blog post announcing the survey:
http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2011/06/tell-us-about-your-user-group.html

The survey was written by Jessica McKellar (http://jesstess.com),
organizer for the Boston Python Meetup
(http://meetup.bostonpython.com), and Jesse Noller
(http://jessenoller.com/), PSF board member and PyCon chair with input
and feedback from survey specialists and others.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BWLG8SZ

The survey was pretested with a handful of user group organizers, and
their answers were phenomenal. Organizers have tons to say about these
topics, and we hope to get a lot of great, actionable data for
strengthening the relationship between the PSF and Python user groups
out of this effort.

Outreach, education, diversity and community building are critical for
Python as a community, and the Foundation - this data should greatly
assist in our targeting our resources and furthering the mission of
the Foundation in all ways.

Thank you

The Python Software Foundation
Jessica McKellar
Jesse Noller
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From JQuirk at psclistens.com  Wed Jun 22 14:50:20 2011
From: JQuirk at psclistens.com (John Quirk)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:50:20 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy *North* needs organizer
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTintAhKt5jTeCYFgdQwwDPa96kQtPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E90B2606E90C743BBF299E0E4EFC017113113@PSCILEXCH02.psclistens.com>


________________________________
From: chicago-bounces+msheetz=psclistens.com at python.org <chicago-bounces+msheetz=psclistens.com at python.org>
To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
Sent: Wed Jun 22 07:13:31 2011
Subject: Re: [Chicago] ChiPy *North* needs organizer

Unless I missed something it looks like the North meeting did not get organized for tomorrow.  I would like to suggest we pass on this month's meeting and regroup next month.  I won't be able to attend otherwise I'd be happy to host again.

Dean

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com<mailto:brianhray at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey folks:

Anyone up for organizing the ChiPy North meeting for June 23rd? I will
be out of town. Please someone step up to keep the ball rolling on
this great group.  I will give you access to the admin panel so you
have a place to add details like: venue, speakers, food...

Thanks, Brian
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From tathagatadg at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 19:14:05 2011
From: tathagatadg at gmail.com (Tathagata Dasgupta)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:14:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] How do you get up to speed with an api?
Message-ID: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi *,
Besides RTFM, test cases, how do make yourself familiar with an api
... basically discovering what hides underneath and how get things
done with it ...
I found bpython from this list, and it has been fantastic compared to
help(foo) and searching ... specifically the intellisence prompting me
whats underneath (with the doc, and even F2-ing to the original code
itself ) ...

Any tricks, tips you want to share in this respect?

-- 
Cheers,
Tathagata
Graduate Student
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois, Chicago

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 19:20:31 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:20:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] How do you get up to speed with an api?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimm82KchTN3+_X1bZ9EQnH6Hwnvnw@mail.gmail.com>

Read the source code of the api if its available. Other than that
using the API helps.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Tathagata Dasgupta
<tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi *,
> Besides RTFM, test cases, how do make yourself familiar with an api
> ... basically discovering what hides underneath and how get things
> done with it ...
> I found bpython from this list, and it has been fantastic compared to
> help(foo) and searching ... specifically the intellisence prompting me
> whats underneath (with the doc, and even F2-ing to the original code
> itself ) ...
>
> Any tricks, tips you want to share in this respect?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Tathagata
> Graduate Student
> Department of Computer Science
> University of Illinois, Chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jun 30 19:21:59 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:21:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] book for review: Standard Lib
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=W6YE9Jc98ZqVJCoi-vzurtynbEg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a copy of "The Python Standard LibraryExample" by Doug Hellmann
to give away at the next meeting.  But there is a catch: you need to
review it.   I think if it's a serious review (even bad) then we will
get more books, and we can do more reviews.  Which is good, right?>
sounds like a scam or social networking thing.

Anyway, we will figure out the details at the meeting.  Suggestions welcome.

http://www.amazon.com/Python-Standard-Library-Example-Developers/dp/0321767349/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309453765&sr=8-1

-- 
Carl K

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 19:32:08 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:32:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] How do you get up to speed with an api?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikud6P=fLNkiUMor3ST1-OqD0=7bQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:14, Tathagata Dasgupta <tathagatadg at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi *,
> Besides RTFM, test cases, how do make yourself familiar with an api
> ... basically discovering what hides underneath and how get things
> done with it ...
> I found bpython from this list, and it has been fantastic compared to
> help(foo) and searching ... specifically the intellisence prompting me
> whats underneath (with the doc, and even F2-ing to the original code
> itself ) ...
>
> Any tricks, tips you want to share in this respect?


Read the code itself. Docs, tests, and examples are all great. Actually
looking under the hood is a seemingly under-used tactic.
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From g at rre.tt  Thu Jun 30 19:39:10 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:39:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] How do you get up to speed with an api?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikud6P=fLNkiUMor3ST1-OqD0=7bQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:14, Tathagata Dasgupta <tathagatadg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi *,
>> Besides RTFM, test cases, how do make yourself familiar with an api
>> ... basically discovering what hides underneath and how get things
>> done with it ...
>> I found bpython from this list, and it has been fantastic compared to
>> help(foo) and searching ... specifically the intellisence prompting me
>> whats underneath (with the doc, and even F2-ing to the original code
>> itself ) ...
>>
>> Any tricks, tips you want to share in this respect?
>
> Read the code itself. Docs, tests, and examples are all great. Actually
> looking under the hood is a seemingly under-used tactic.

In Python, I like to write doctests for the API, which explain how to
use it. I can use the text in the doctest to clarify my thinking on
how I'd use the API. It has the benefit of QAing the library and
locking it down for regression tests down the road.

E.g.

"""
The super API is used for doing awesome things.

Let's start with a super session:

 >>> session = super.new_session()

The default values are:

  >>> session.coolness
  'Super High'
"""

You get the idea :)

From tottinge at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 21:06:42 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:06:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] How do you get up to speed with an api?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi==YeT-RwYHjBxhrz3=bad56PGzWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTikud6P=fLNkiUMor3ST1-OqD0=7bQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi==YeT-RwYHjBxhrz3=bad56PGzWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinEh5+iM7dbr0qhzp2V7vRUFaCU0w@mail.gmail.com>

1) A partner - you'd be surprised
2) A series of small projects, something you can finish but which isn't tedious.
3) Bebugging -- adding bugs in to see what the errors look like.
Really valuable training aid.
4) A Mentor to assign exercises and give explanations.

I can hardly learn anything without these. RTFM is slower for me, and
tutorials that tell you what buttons to push and what code to type are
not nearly as useful for me.  I'm more of an experimental learner, so
I need to get the basic idea and then dive in and then learn
iteratively/progressively.

-- 
Tim Ottinger, Sr. Consultant, Industrial Logic
-------------------------------------
http://www.industriallogic.com/
http://agileinaflash.com/
http://agileotter.blogspot.com/

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 21:35:18 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:35:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] How do you get up to speed with an api?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinWfZEH7Sjzw-SS2Q4j1KugV4_HtQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Tathagata Dasgupta
<tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi *,
> Besides RTFM, test cases, how do make yourself familiar with an api
> ... basically discovering what hides underneath and how get things
> done with it ...

The best way is to study an application that *uses* the API, if one
exists.  For example, if there is a website that makes Ajax requests
to the API you could use Firebug or Chrome tools to watch the API
calls that are made while you interact with the app.

> I found bpython from this list, and it has been fantastic compared to
> help(foo) and searching ... specifically the intellisence prompting me
> whats underneath (with the doc, and even F2-ing to the original code
> itself ) ...
>
> Any tricks, tips you want to share in this respect?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Tathagata
> Graduate Student
> Department of Computer Science
> University of Illinois, Chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 21:59:50 2011
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:59:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] How do you get up to speed with an api?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinWfZEH7Sjzw-SS2Q4j1KugV4_HtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinWfZEH7Sjzw-SS2Q4j1KugV4_HtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinAN4xGeJ6s-x3aHxRzFLpmpY6sMA@mail.gmail.com>

I disagree.  I think the best way is to call the API developer and
harass them repeatedly until they come over and teach you exactly how
everything works.  Then, since they won't see it coming, bash them
over the head, and chain up their unconscious body in the basement
where you will keep them for months, feeding them bread and water in
exchange for insight into their application.

I'm just saying, that's the *best* way.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Tathagata Dasgupta
> <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi *,
>> Besides RTFM, test cases, how do make yourself familiar with an api
>> ... basically discovering what hides underneath and how get things
>> done with it ...
>
> The best way is to study an application that *uses* the API, if one
> exists. ?For example, if there is a website that makes Ajax requests
> to the API you could use Firebug or Chrome tools to watch the API
> calls that are made while you interact with the app.
>
>> I found bpython from this list, and it has been fantastic compared to
>> help(foo) and searching ... specifically the intellisence prompting me
>> whats underneath (with the doc, and even F2-ing to the original code
>> itself ) ...
>>
>> Any tricks, tips you want to share in this respect?
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Tathagata
>> Graduate Student
>> Department of Computer Science
>> University of Illinois, Chicago
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jun 30 22:04:12 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:04:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] How do you get up to speed with an api?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinAN4xGeJ6s-x3aHxRzFLpmpY6sMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinWfZEH7Sjzw-SS2Q4j1KugV4_HtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinAN4xGeJ6s-x3aHxRzFLpmpY6sMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=fNwuY=G=TpwtR+cMSdn0O_H3Kdg@mail.gmail.com>

I bet you can get bugs fixed and features added too.  I like this plan.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
> I disagree. ?I think the best way is to call the API developer and
> harass them repeatedly until they come over and teach you exactly how
> everything works. ?Then, since they won't see it coming, bash them
> over the head, and chain up their unconscious body in the basement
> where you will keep them for months, feeding them bread and water in
> exchange for insight into their application.
>
> I'm just saying, that's the *best* way.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Kumar McMillan
> <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Tathagata Dasgupta
>> <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi *,
>>> Besides RTFM, test cases, how do make yourself familiar with an api
>>> ... basically discovering what hides underneath and how get things
>>> done with it ...
>>
>> The best way is to study an application that *uses* the API, if one
>> exists. ?For example, if there is a website that makes Ajax requests
>> to the API you could use Firebug or Chrome tools to watch the API
>> calls that are made while you interact with the app.
>>
>>> I found bpython from this list, and it has been fantastic compared to
>>> help(foo) and searching ... specifically the intellisence prompting me
>>> whats underneath (with the doc, and even F2-ing to the original code
>>> itself ) ...
>>>
>>> Any tricks, tips you want to share in this respect?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tathagata
>>> Graduate Student
>>> Department of Computer Science
>>> University of Illinois, Chicago
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Carl K

From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Jun 30 22:04:52 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:04:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] How do you get up to speed with an api?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinAN4xGeJ6s-x3aHxRzFLpmpY6sMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinWfZEH7Sjzw-SS2Q4j1KugV4_HtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinAN4xGeJ6s-x3aHxRzFLpmpY6sMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimAR7ZYy9SDfSsB5aPHq_ZO0CdMoA@mail.gmail.com>

I find they code better when you give them leafy greens.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
> I disagree. ?I think the best way is to call the API developer and
> harass them repeatedly until they come over and teach you exactly how
> everything works. ?Then, since they won't see it coming, bash them
> over the head, and chain up their unconscious body in the basement
> where you will keep them for months, feeding them bread and water in
> exchange for insight into their application.
>
> I'm just saying, that's the *best* way.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Kumar McMillan
> <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Tathagata Dasgupta
>> <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi *,
>>> Besides RTFM, test cases, how do make yourself familiar with an api
>>> ... basically discovering what hides underneath and how get things
>>> done with it ...
>>
>> The best way is to study an application that *uses* the API, if one
>> exists. ?For example, if there is a website that makes Ajax requests
>> to the API you could use Firebug or Chrome tools to watch the API
>> calls that are made while you interact with the app.
>>
>>> I found bpython from this list, and it has been fantastic compared to
>>> help(foo) and searching ... specifically the intellisence prompting me
>>> whats underneath (with the doc, and even F2-ing to the original code
>>> itself ) ...
>>>
>>> Any tricks, tips you want to share in this respect?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tathagata
>>> Graduate Student
>>> Department of Computer Science
>>> University of Illinois, Chicago
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
sheila

From brianherman at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 22:18:06 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:18:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] book for review: Standard Lib
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=W6YE9Jc98ZqVJCoi-vzurtynbEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=W6YE9Jc98ZqVJCoi-vzurtynbEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimW_9uRKbsmYZR0CEFHAMrpboK98A@mail.gmail.com>

Did you read it?



Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org








On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> I have a copy of "The Python Standard LibraryExample" by Doug Hellmann
> to give away at the next meeting.  But there is a catch: you need to
> review it.   I think if it's a serious review (even bad) then we will
> get more books, and we can do more reviews.  Which is good, right?>
> sounds like a scam or social networking thing.
>
> Anyway, we will figure out the details at the meeting.  Suggestions
> welcome.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Python-Standard-Library-Example-Developers/dp/0321767349/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309453765&sr=8-1
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jun 30 22:26:51 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:26:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] book for review: Standard Lib
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimW_9uRKbsmYZR0CEFHAMrpboK98A@mail.gmail.com>
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you who?

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Did you read it?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have a copy of "The Python Standard LibraryExample" by Doug Hellmann
>> to give away at the next meeting. ?But there is a catch: you need to
>> review it. ? I think if it's a serious review (even bad) then we will
>> get more books, and we can do more reviews. ?Which is good, right?>
>> sounds like a scam or social networking thing.
>>
>> Anyway, we will figure out the details at the meeting. ?Suggestions
>> welcome.
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Python-Standard-Library-Example-Developers/dp/0321767349/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309453765&sr=8-1
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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-- 
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From ghing at mcic.org  Thu Jun 30 22:30:10 2011
From: ghing at mcic.org (Geoffrey Hing)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:30:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Brief Apps for Metro Chicago talk at the next ChiPy meetup
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=t==UjJ=qAPjNOnpRg7UPDR-5qPw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I'm a developer at the Metro Chicago Information Center.  We're helping to
run the Apps for Metro Chicago competition (
http://www.appsformetrochicago.org/) that's happening now.  As part of my
work, I'm trying to drop by as many Chicago developer meetups as possible to
do a quick presentation about the competition, answer any questions that
developers may have and help link developers with community organizations or
the legacy business community (the judging rubric for the competition favors
apps that come out of these partnerships).

I'm wondering if it would be possible for me to give a brief talk about the
competition at the next ChiPy meetup?

Also, If any of you has any questions about Apps for Metro Chicago, please
feel free to post a question to http://apps4chicago.zendesk.com/ and I'll do
my best to get you a prompt answer.

Best,
Geoff
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 22:38:02 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:38:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] book for review: Standard Lib
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=X8D=gzpeQzLq4FvN10bBJOigzYw@mail.gmail.com>
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Carl have you read it?

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org








On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> you who?
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Did you read it?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Herman
> >
> > brianjherman.com
> > brianherman at acm.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a copy of "The Python Standard LibraryExample" by Doug Hellmann
> >> to give away at the next meeting.  But there is a catch: you need to
> >> review it.   I think if it's a serious review (even bad) then we will
> >> get more books, and we can do more reviews.  Which is good, right?>
> >> sounds like a scam or social networking thing.
> >>
> >> Anyway, we will figure out the details at the meeting.  Suggestions
> >> welcome.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.amazon.com/Python-Standard-Library-Example-Developers/dp/0321767349/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309453765&sr=8-1
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carl K
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 22:38:54 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:38:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] book for review: Standard Lib
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I'll take it and give a review why not it's not like I have a life or
girlfriend or anything.


Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org








On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Carl have you read it?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:
>
>> you who?
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Did you read it?
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Brian Herman
>> >
>> > brianjherman.com
>> > brianherman at acm.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have a copy of "The Python Standard LibraryExample" by Doug Hellmann
>> >> to give away at the next meeting.  But there is a catch: you need to
>> >> review it.   I think if it's a serious review (even bad) then we will
>> >> get more books, and we can do more reviews.  Which is good, right?>
>> >> sounds like a scam or social networking thing.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, we will figure out the details at the meeting.  Suggestions
>> >> welcome.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Python-Standard-Library-Example-Developers/dp/0321767349/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309453765&sr=8-1
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Carl K
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jun 30 22:49:25 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:49:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] book for review: Standard Lib
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	<BANLkTimW_9uRKbsmYZR0CEFHAMrpboK98A@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=X8D=gzpeQzLq4FvN10bBJOigzYw@mail.gmail.com>
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nope.  I just skipped to the end to see how many pages it was.

Spoiler alert!!!





1288.


On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Carl have you read it?
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> you who?
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Did you read it?
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Brian Herman
>> >
>> > brianjherman.com
>> > brianherman at acm.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have a copy of "The Python Standard LibraryExample" by Doug Hellmann
>> >> to give away at the next meeting. ?But there is a catch: you need to
>> >> review it. ? I think if it's a serious review (even bad) then we will
>> >> get more books, and we can do more reviews. ?Which is good, right?>
>> >> sounds like a scam or social networking thing.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, we will figure out the details at the meeting. ?Suggestions
>> >> welcome.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.amazon.com/Python-Standard-Library-Example-Developers/dp/0321767349/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309453765&sr=8-1
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Carl K
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 22:49:59 2011
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:49:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] book for review: Standard Lib
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	<BANLkTimW_9uRKbsmYZR0CEFHAMrpboK98A@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=X8D=gzpeQzLq4FvN10bBJOigzYw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hang in there Brian!

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll take it and give a review why not it's not like I have a life or
> girlfriend or anything.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Carl have you read it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:
>>
>>> you who?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Did you read it?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Brian Herman
>>> >
>>> > brianjherman.com
>>> > brianherman at acm.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I have a copy of "The Python Standard LibraryExample" by Doug Hellmann
>>> >> to give away at the next meeting.  But there is a catch: you need to
>>> >> review it.   I think if it's a serious review (even bad) then we will
>>> >> get more books, and we can do more reviews.  Which is good, right?>
>>> >> sounds like a scam or social networking thing.
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyway, we will figure out the details at the meeting.  Suggestions
>>> >> welcome.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Python-Standard-Library-Example-Developers/dp/0321767349/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309453765&sr=8-1
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Carl K
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carl K
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>>
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>
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 22:57:50 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:57:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] book for review: Standard Lib
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Should I come over and pick it up or pick it up at the next python meeting?


Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org








On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hang in there Brian!
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I'll take it and give a review why not it's not like I have a life or
>> girlfriend or anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Carl have you read it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian Herman
>>>
>>> brianjherman.com
>>> brianherman at acm.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> you who?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Did you read it?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Brian Herman
>>>> >
>>>> > brianjherman.com
>>>> > brianherman at acm.org
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Carl Karsten <
>>>> carl at personnelware.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have a copy of "The Python Standard LibraryExample" by Doug
>>>> Hellmann
>>>> >> to give away at the next meeting.  But there is a catch: you need to
>>>> >> review it.   I think if it's a serious review (even bad) then we will
>>>> >> get more books, and we can do more reviews.  Which is good, right?>
>>>> >> sounds like a scam or social networking thing.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anyway, we will figure out the details at the meeting.  Suggestions
>>>> >> welcome.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Python-Standard-Library-Example-Developers/dp/0321767349/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309453765&sr=8-1
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Carl K
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carl K
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 23:25:07 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:25:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] How do you get up to speed with an api?
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References: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinWfZEH7Sjzw-SS2Q4j1KugV4_HtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
> I disagree. ?I think the best way is to call the API developer and
> harass them repeatedly until they come over and teach you exactly how
> everything works. ?Then, since they won't see it coming, bash them
> over the head, and chain up their unconscious body in the basement
> where you will keep them for months, feeding them bread and water in
> exchange for insight into their application.

I stand corrected!

>
> I'm just saying, that's the *best* way.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Kumar McMillan
> <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Tathagata Dasgupta
>> <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi *,
>>> Besides RTFM, test cases, how do make yourself familiar with an api
>>> ... basically discovering what hides underneath and how get things
>>> done with it ...
>>
>> The best way is to study an application that *uses* the API, if one
>> exists. ?For example, if there is a website that makes Ajax requests
>> to the API you could use Firebug or Chrome tools to watch the API
>> calls that are made while you interact with the app.
>>
>>> I found bpython from this list, and it has been fantastic compared to
>>> help(foo) and searching ... specifically the intellisence prompting me
>>> whats underneath (with the doc, and even F2-ing to the original code
>>> itself ) ...
>>>
>>> Any tricks, tips you want to share in this respect?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tathagata
>>> Graduate Student
>>> Department of Computer Science
>>> University of Illinois, Chicago
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
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>

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 23:31:48 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:31:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] How do you get up to speed with an api?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim9wiaJ_t89j-xLxcqtWAFrvt0xXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVc51wzY+fJ3NBUmTYKH2LrngzJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinWfZEH7Sjzw-SS2Q4j1KugV4_HtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinAN4xGeJ6s-x3aHxRzFLpmpY6sMA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTim9wiaJ_t89j-xLxcqtWAFrvt0xXw@mail.gmail.com>
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I think Xe Services LLC will do the legwork for you?

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I disagree. ?I think the best way is to call the API developer and
>> harass them repeatedly until they come over and teach you exactly how
>> everything works. ?Then, since they won't see it coming, bash them
>> over the head, and chain up their unconscious body in the basement
>> where you will keep them for months, feeding them bread and water in
>> exchange for insight into their application.
>
> I stand corrected!
>
>>
>> I'm just saying, that's the *best* way.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Kumar McMillan
>> <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Tathagata Dasgupta
>>> <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi *,
>>>> Besides RTFM, test cases, how do make yourself familiar with an api
>>>> ... basically discovering what hides underneath and how get things
>>>> done with it ...
>>>
>>> The best way is to study an application that *uses* the API, if one
>>> exists. ?For example, if there is a website that makes Ajax requests
>>> to the API you could use Firebug or Chrome tools to watch the API
>>> calls that are made while you interact with the app.
>>>
>>>> I found bpython from this list, and it has been fantastic compared to
>>>> help(foo) and searching ... specifically the intellisence prompting me
>>>> whats underneath (with the doc, and even F2-ing to the original code
>>>> itself ) ...
>>>>
>>>> Any tricks, tips you want to share in this respect?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Tathagata
>>>> Graduate Student
>>>> Department of Computer Science
>>>> University of Illinois, Chicago
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