From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 16:53:38 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:53:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue
Message-ID: <CANKg38vVbD5ZN7zTRFoYD0mtiBgwdqudRxgbgy2VLE-oXS8npQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I am looking for a venue for this month's ChiPy. There was some talk
last month about Morningstar, Adler, .... who can host this meeting? It is
going to be a great one.


-- 

Brian Ray
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From zanson at zanson.org  Tue Oct  4 18:41:01 2011
From: zanson at zanson.org (J. D. Jordan)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 11:41:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue
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Is there a proposed topic yet?

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, I am looking for a venue for this month's ChiPy. There was some talk
> last month about Morningstar, Adler, .... who can host this meeting? It is
> going to be a great one.
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From leon at chism.org  Wed Oct  5 16:37:18 2011
From: leon at chism.org (Leon Chism)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:37:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] analyte health is hiring python/django developers
Message-ID: <CAMFxcshKRf85YdunaWbmk3bSb=+KwA=VDOZ6JH=0Uningr=5FQ@mail.gmail.com>

Analyte Health is once again hiring senior level developers (and one QA
automation engineer) to join the technology team in our Chicago office.
Analyte Health is an on-line physician's practice using the power of the
Internet to create convenient, private, and patient-focused medical care for
our patients. See the full listing, and apply, at
http://jobs.analytehealth.com/apply/YEtIiX/Software-Developer.html and the
QA job listing is here:
http://jobs.analytehealth.com/apply/WyQj7v/QA-Automation-Engineer.html

At Analyte, we employ a variety of technologies to deliver our vision. Our
code is Python. Our websites are Django. We serve content using a mix of
Apache, memcached, and MySQL. We functional test our sites using Selenium
and we unit test our code. We use Jenkins (or is it Hudson...I forgot what
Larry said we should call it _this_ week) as our Continuous Integration
server and we work hard to keep it clean. We use open source solutions when
available, and we open source our own technologies when appropriate.

We are looking for senior level developers who have

* Built and maintained customer facing web applications.
* Worked with any MVC based web framework like Django, Rails, or Servlets.
* Developed production systems using dynamically typed languages like
Python, Ruby, Scala, or Groovy.
* Thrived in agile environments.
* Experience with the tools we use like fabric, apache, RabbitMQ, Selenium,
and memcached.
* Collaborated closely with clients, product owners, and other non-technical
folks.
* A desire to work in a results-driven meritocracy.
* The willingness to debate with peers who are as talented and intelligent
as you.
* A quality mindset, and a test-driven development habit.
* A demonstrated passion for advancing their own skills and knowledge.

Analyte Health is a start-up with some great benefits: besides a great
working environment and a great team, you?ll have access to an array of
insurance benefits, a 401(k) plan, catered lunches everyday, and we?ll get
you whatever hardware and software you need to do amazing things for our
patients.

No recruiters, please....we can handle this.

If it sounds interesting to you, use the links above and apply. If you have
questions, email me: leon at analytehealth.com
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 23:00:52 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:00:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Who do you want to see at PyCon?
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqZuX+Tqauq8==UuGEaib_Xw=W1NUgAJfOZ4u9k1DxNpQ@mail.gmail.com>

We're one week away from the call for proposals deadline (Oct 12) and
Doug Hellmann, of PyMOTW and Standard Library By Example fame, brought
up a good point: in addition to casting a wide net like we are, why
not go after individuals? He wrote a nice little post about it here:
http://blog.doughellmann.com/2011/10/choose-your-own-pycon-adventure.html

Even if you don't plan to go to the conference, the whole thing is
recorded, so the choice of speakers benefits the whole community.

Anyone you want to hear from?

Is Bill Mania listening? PyCon needs more robots.
Hey Kumar, what are you up to at Mozilla?
Anyone who has ever spoken at the always-better-than-the-last ChiPy
meetings: what's new?

http://us.pycon.org/2012/
http://us.pycon.org/2012/speaker/ - speaker info and the call for proposals

PyCon is in Santa Clara, CA this year, so you'll get to warm up a bit
after two years in Atlanta and two years here. Don't forget: the
financial aid program can always help you get out there.

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Oct  6 23:09:13 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:09:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue & Topic
Message-ID: <CANKg38uKo3uSgfZ6aHV9M6AoBh9KDsr5ngsjhwz-zOEuAXK=rg@mail.gmail.com>

I have been asking around off the list. I have not come up with a
really cool unique venue. We may need to stick with a really cool
unoriginal?venue like ITA. Please let me know if you come up with
anything.

On topics, the floor is now open for topics and?presenters. Here are some ideas:

* Your PyCon Talk
* All things MQ.... Rabbit, Zero, .....
* Zope... yes I said Zope. I still think it would be awsome to dive
back into Zope goodness and badness....
* Big Data stuff ...Map Reduce over Hadoop... MongoDB.?Cassandra

If you have anything on the tip of your tongue just toss it out there.
We are wide open and will gladely give honest feedback.


--

Brian Ray

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Thu Oct  6 23:12:12 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:12:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38uKo3uSgfZ6aHV9M6AoBh9KDsr5ngsjhwz-zOEuAXK=rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uKo3uSgfZ6aHV9M6AoBh9KDsr5ngsjhwz-zOEuAXK=rg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 16:09, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been asking around off the list. I have not come up with a
> really cool unique venue. We may need to stick with a really cool
> unoriginal?venue like ITA. Please let me know if you come up with
> anything.

I got one: Sully's. You have have heard of it.

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Oct  6 23:21:32 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:21:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue & Topic
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On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 16:09, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have been asking around off the list. I have not come up with a
>> really cool unique venue. We may need to stick with a really cool
>> unoriginal?venue like ITA. Please let me know if you come up with
>> anything.
>
> I got one: Sully's. You have have heard of it.


Of course I love Sully's but it is always a more intimate crowd. Also,
I did happen to speak with Paul the owner today and it almost sounded
like they have an event there Thursday.

Nonetheless, I will check on Sully's.

-- 

Brian Ray

From chad at glendenin.com  Thu Oct  6 23:27:11 2011
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:27:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38uKo3uSgfZ6aHV9M6AoBh9KDsr5ngsjhwz-zOEuAXK=rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uKo3uSgfZ6aHV9M6AoBh9KDsr5ngsjhwz-zOEuAXK=rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABetDDuHTwh0FBHdLsuKQCziU2riQ07LgA1ns=LquE0=4hmsUA@mail.gmail.com>

I just picked up a $49 license for the PyCharm Python/Django IDE while
it's on sale (50% off for 9 more days), but I'm a long-time Vim user
and have never really gotten into IDE's. If anybody here has some
experience with it (or with IntelliJ, which it's based on) and could
give a lightning talk or quick walk-through of cool stuff it can do,
I'd appreciate it.

What our BDFL Guido had to say about PyCharm a year ago:
https://plus.google.com/115212051037621986145/posts/CGh9MoWU53V

Or, if we go to Sully's and somebody is willing to walk me through it
before or after the meeting, I'll buy you a beer.

Thanks,
chad


On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been asking around off the list. I have not come up with a
> really cool unique venue. We may need to stick with a really cool
> unoriginal?venue like ITA. Please let me know if you come up with
> anything.
>
> On topics, the floor is now open for topics and?presenters. Here are some ideas:
>
> * Your PyCon Talk
> * All things MQ.... Rabbit, Zero, .....
> * Zope... yes I said Zope. I still think it would be awsome to dive
> back into Zope goodness and badness....
> * Big Data stuff ...Map Reduce over Hadoop... MongoDB.?Cassandra
>
> If you have anything on the tip of your tongue just toss it out there.
> We are wide open and will gladely give honest feedback.
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Fri Oct  7 02:24:12 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 19:24:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <CANTsVH+nYwVtK3CDCAGxz1ULzruH5iMs3R_LodYWBbJe6CF0XA@mail.gmail.com>
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From thatmattbone at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 06:44:03 2011
From: thatmattbone at gmail.com (Matt Bone)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 23:44:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CABetDDuHTwh0FBHdLsuKQCziU2riQ07LgA1ns=LquE0=4hmsUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uKo3uSgfZ6aHV9M6AoBh9KDsr5ngsjhwz-zOEuAXK=rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABetDDuHTwh0FBHdLsuKQCziU2riQ07LgA1ns=LquE0=4hmsUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG0VBHtcQ93FJvxU1k1p21LuiHU4tQt6vf=v1a9kDyu31q4vdA@mail.gmail.com>

I know we've seen zeromq with Beazley's talks, but is there any
interest in an intro-level zeromq talk?

I'm thinking a sort of
inspirational-sockets-are-hard-but-zmq-fixes-everything kind of deal?
I gave this talk with zero(mq) success at loyola:
https://bitbucket.org/thatmattbone/zmqlecture/src

Thanks,
--matt

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
> I just picked up a $49 license for the PyCharm Python/Django IDE while
> it's on sale (50% off for 9 more days), but I'm a long-time Vim user
> and have never really gotten into IDE's. If anybody here has some
> experience with it (or with IntelliJ, which it's based on) and could
> give a lightning talk or quick walk-through of cool stuff it can do,
> I'd appreciate it.
>
> What our BDFL Guido had to say about PyCharm a year ago:
> https://plus.google.com/115212051037621986145/posts/CGh9MoWU53V
>
> Or, if we go to Sully's and somebody is willing to walk me through it
> before or after the meeting, I'll buy you a beer.
>
> Thanks,
> chad
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have been asking around off the list. I have not come up with a
>> really cool unique venue. We may need to stick with a really cool
>> unoriginal?venue like ITA. Please let me know if you come up with
>> anything.
>>
>> On topics, the floor is now open for topics and?presenters. Here are some ideas:
>>
>> * Your PyCon Talk
>> * All things MQ.... Rabbit, Zero, .....
>> * Zope... yes I said Zope. I still think it would be awsome to dive
>> back into Zope goodness and badness....
>> * Big Data stuff ...Map Reduce over Hadoop... MongoDB.?Cassandra
>>
>> If you have anything on the tip of your tongue just toss it out there.
>> We are wide open and will gladely give honest feedback.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Ray
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 15:04:28 2011
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:04:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CAG0VBHtcQ93FJvxU1k1p21LuiHU4tQt6vf=v1a9kDyu31q4vdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uKo3uSgfZ6aHV9M6AoBh9KDsr5ngsjhwz-zOEuAXK=rg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFmpWQAmZ_k7Wx6ebSCenBTMs7aW7Mkc3GKHunLozFA6Y6dMSQ@mail.gmail.com>

I did something similar a while ago for Chipy north and they seemed to like
it. https://github.com/dgriff1/zeromq-chipy

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Matt Bone <thatmattbone at gmail.com> wrote:

> I know we've seen zeromq with Beazley's talks, but is there any
> interest in an intro-level zeromq talk?
>
> I'm thinking a sort of
> inspirational-sockets-are-hard-but-zmq-fixes-everything kind of deal?
> I gave this talk with zero(mq) success at loyola:
> https://bitbucket.org/thatmattbone/zmqlecture/src
>
> Thanks,
> --matt
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
> > I just picked up a $49 license for the PyCharm Python/Django IDE while
> > it's on sale (50% off for 9 more days), but I'm a long-time Vim user
> > and have never really gotten into IDE's. If anybody here has some
> > experience with it (or with IntelliJ, which it's based on) and could
> > give a lightning talk or quick walk-through of cool stuff it can do,
> > I'd appreciate it.
> >
> > What our BDFL Guido had to say about PyCharm a year ago:
> > https://plus.google.com/115212051037621986145/posts/CGh9MoWU53V
> >
> > Or, if we go to Sully's and somebody is willing to walk me through it
> > before or after the meeting, I'll buy you a beer.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > chad
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I have been asking around off the list. I have not come up with a
> >> really cool unique venue. We may need to stick with a really cool
> >> unoriginal venue like ITA. Please let me know if you come up with
> >> anything.
> >>
> >> On topics, the floor is now open for topics and presenters. Here are
> some ideas:
> >>
> >> * Your PyCon Talk
> >> * All things MQ.... Rabbit, Zero, .....
> >> * Zope... yes I said Zope. I still think it would be awsome to dive
> >> back into Zope goodness and badness....
> >> * Big Data stuff ...Map Reduce over Hadoop... MongoDB. Cassandra
> >>
> >> If you have anything on the tip of your tongue just toss it out there.
> >> We are wide open and will gladely give honest feedback.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Brian Ray
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From dean.sellis at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 16:43:09 2011
From: dean.sellis at gmail.com (Dean Sellis)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CAFmpWQAmZ_k7Wx6ebSCenBTMs7aW7Mkc3GKHunLozFA6Y6dMSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I'll second that.  This was a good intro to zeromq.


On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote:

> I did something similar a while ago for Chipy north and they seemed to like it. https://github.com/dgriff1/zeromq-chipy 
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From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Oct  7 23:31:16 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:31:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pycharm Re:  Venue & Topic
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rbx8gZZwePi-aWtRoknZkM5DH95MK9QS9Bop8fbBKb3kA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
> I just picked up a $49 license for the PyCharm Python/Django IDE while
> it's on sale (50% off for 9 more days), but I'm a long-time Vim user

thanks for pointing that out. That was cheap enough that I bought a
license for Carl for him to try out just based on how much people like
their intellij product (I say, even though I use eclipse for java). I
figure he can play around with it to see how cool it is. I'm still
using vim when I do python stuff right now.

do you have any good vim plugins or dot file stuff to share?


-- 
sheila

From chad at glendenin.com  Sat Oct  8 01:14:34 2011
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 18:14:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pycharm Re: Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rbx8gZZwePi-aWtRoknZkM5DH95MK9QS9Bop8fbBKb3kA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbx8gZZwePi-aWtRoknZkM5DH95MK9QS9Bop8fbBKb3kA@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> do you have any good vim plugins or dot file stuff to share?

For Vim newbies, I usually recommend trying Janus:
https://github.com/carlhuda/janus
It does some things that I find annoying, but it gives you a lot out
of the box and should be comfortable for TextMate refugees.

I should probably separate my vim config from the rest of my dot
files, but it's all on github: https://github.com/ccg/dotfiles
There's an install script, but it sets up a whole bunch of things besides Vim.

The main thing is to use Tim Pope's pathogen to make it easier to deal
with plugins. A few specific plugins that are worth trying:

* pyflakes.vim (static analysis for python; even gives you the red
squiggly underline in gvim when it detects a problem)

* Surround.vim (http://www.catonmat.net/blog/vim-plugins-surround-vim/)

* NERDTree (a folder & file tree in a sidebar)

* NERDCommenter

Also, exuberant-ctags works with Python and Vim (Ctrl-] to jump to the
definition of whatever is under the cursor, Ctrl-T to jump back).

There's even a Chicago Vim meetup: http://www.meetup.com/Vim-Chicago/

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Sat Oct  8 06:14:04 2011
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 23:14:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <F8DBE075-60A7-4C81-8D71-563278648EA1@gmail.com>
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would love an introductory talk on zero mq

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Dean Sellis <dean.sellis at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll second that.  This was a good intro to zeromq.
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote:
>
> I did something similar a while ago for Chipy north and they seemed to like
> it. https://github.com/dgriff1/zeromq-chipy
>
>
>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Sat Oct  8 14:52:32 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 07:52:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [LUNI] USENIX WebApps '12 Calling Garret for Movies
Message-ID: <CADmzSSi0G4Ss9FTaeukWwCxWu2=itKSpNJS3-AJ1AEGhEtpxbA@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Lionel Garth Jones <lgj at usenix.org>
Date: Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:57 PM
Subject: [LUNI] USENIX WebApps '12 Call for Papers Now Available
To: luni-announce-chicago at googlegroups.com, luni-chicago at googlegroups.com


On behalf of the Program Committee, I would like to invite you to submit
your work to the 3rd USENIX Conference on Web Application Development
(WebApps '12).

Like the inaugural WebApps '10 and '11, WebApps '12 seeks to attract
cutting-edge research that advances the state of the art, not only of
novel Web applications but also of infrastructure,frameworks, tools,
and techniques
that support the development, analysis/testing, operation, or deployment
of those applications.

Possible topics include but are not limited to:

* Storage for Web-scale applications


For more details on the submission process, advice on how to prepare a
competitive paper, and templates to use with LaTeX, Word, etc., authors
should consult
http://www.usenix.org/events/webapps12/cfp/requirements.html

-- 
Carl K

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sat Oct  8 21:31:35 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:31:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pycharm Re: Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CABetDDuLRH12Ey89muBrV2dQJQtwWS3RqFWR_uKsVWXjw8-JHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbx8gZZwePi-aWtRoknZkM5DH95MK9QS9Bop8fbBKb3kA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABetDDuLRH12Ey89muBrV2dQJQtwWS3RqFWR_uKsVWXjw8-JHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zmZ5vuPQ8FcVXvjoKQ6wSdUw6WzyT0n4D9-kFyhxNH1SA@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone have any advising editing python with emacs? Currently I'm
using what comes with default emacs.


---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
>>
>> do you have any good vim plugins or dot file stuff to share?
>
> For Vim newbies, I usually recommend trying Janus:
> https://github.com/carlhuda/janus
> It does some things that I find annoying, but it gives you a lot out
> of the box and should be comfortable for TextMate refugees.
>
> I should probably separate my vim config from the rest of my dot
> files, but it's all on github: https://github.com/ccg/dotfiles
> There's an install script, but it sets up a whole bunch of things besides Vim.
>
> The main thing is to use Tim Pope's pathogen to make it easier to deal
> with plugins. A few specific plugins that are worth trying:
>
> * pyflakes.vim (static analysis for python; even gives you the red
> squiggly underline in gvim when it detects a problem)
>
> * Surround.vim (http://www.catonmat.net/blog/vim-plugins-surround-vim/)
>
> * NERDTree (a folder & file tree in a sidebar)
>
> * NERDCommenter
>
> Also, exuberant-ctags works with Python and Vim (Ctrl-] to jump to the
> definition of whatever is under the cursor, Ctrl-T to jump back).
>
> There's even a Chicago Vim meetup: http://www.meetup.com/Vim-Chicago/
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From steve at agilitynerd.com  Sat Oct  8 22:02:15 2011
From: steve at agilitynerd.com (Steve Schwarz)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 15:02:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pycharm Re: Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zmZ5vuPQ8FcVXvjoKQ6wSdUw6WzyT0n4D9-kFyhxNH1SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbx8gZZwePi-aWtRoknZkM5DH95MK9QS9Bop8fbBKb3kA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABetDDuLRH12Ey89muBrV2dQJQtwWS3RqFWR_uKsVWXjw8-JHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zmZ5vuPQ8FcVXvjoKQ6wSdUw6WzyT0n4D9-kFyhxNH1SA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> Anyone have any advising editing python with emacs? Currently I'm
> using what comes with default emacs.
>


> Enable flymake mode and run pyflakes:
http://www.ymer.org/amir/2010/01/28/pyflakes-flymake-for-python-programming-in-emacs/

Best Regards,
Steve
Blogs: http://agilitynerd.com/  http://tech.agilitynerd.com/
Dog Agility Search: http://googility.com/
Dog Agility Courses: http://agilitycourses.com/
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From thatmattbone at gmail.com  Sun Oct  9 00:05:19 2011
From: thatmattbone at gmail.com (Matt Bone)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:05:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pycharm Re: Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CAKY2=Tfz2222j3nhi4JdMGd5uoUaYgwT3+VY2sTo5za8yHnCgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbx8gZZwePi-aWtRoknZkM5DH95MK9QS9Bop8fbBKb3kA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABetDDuLRH12Ey89muBrV2dQJQtwWS3RqFWR_uKsVWXjw8-JHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zmZ5vuPQ8FcVXvjoKQ6wSdUw6WzyT0n4D9-kFyhxNH1SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY2=Tfz2222j3nhi4JdMGd5uoUaYgwT3+VY2sTo5za8yHnCgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG0VBHs=nz3d1eERqBfP2pHaxy_DhJ_4Cvo62RwaPaAeMArS_g@mail.gmail.com>

rope is also a handy tool:
http://rope.sourceforge.net/

There are plugins for vim, emacs and more.

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Steve Schwarz <steve at agilitynerd.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have any advising editing python with emacs? Currently I'm
>> using what comes with default emacs.
>
>
>
> Enable flymake mode and run pyflakes:
> http://www.ymer.org/amir/2010/01/28/pyflakes-flymake-for-python-programming-in-emacs/
>
> Best Regards,
> Steve
> Blogs:?http://agilitynerd.com/??http://tech.agilitynerd.com/
> Dog Agility Search:?http://googility.com/
> Dog Agility Courses:?http://agilitycourses.com/
> http://www.facebook.com/AgilityNerd
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Sun Oct  9 07:00:05 2011
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 00:00:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] just in case....
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+ZZrwj5FGiF2FDeYt4kChyheZsYvhQyiUBrH8q38BC9ig@mail.gmail.com>

anyone else on the list was unaware....

that the "consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." line was from
this essay!  I had started it several times and finished it yesterday,
coming across the line.  Pretty cool.  If this is common knowledge please
forgive the noise.

http://www.vcu.edu/engweb/transcendentalism/authors/emerson/essays/selfreliance.html
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From shekay at pobox.com  Sun Oct  9 19:01:18 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 12:01:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pycharm Re: Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CABetDDuLRH12Ey89muBrV2dQJQtwWS3RqFWR_uKsVWXjw8-JHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbx8gZZwePi-aWtRoknZkM5DH95MK9QS9Bop8fbBKb3kA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABetDDuLRH12Ey89muBrV2dQJQtwWS3RqFWR_uKsVWXjw8-JHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_raQQq8FsPmX_x8MAYz1mhB2DpWQD-_jtULemjbqwpR0qg@mail.gmail.com>

I am not a vim newbie but only recently started using vim pathogen. My
github account is codersquid and I've started cleaning up my dotfiles but
they are still a mess.

I like the the NERD family of plugins and also buff explorer and a few
others. I've been trying to decide whether I like the folding settings I
have for python.  They need tweaking or need to be done away with.

I like when people share dotfiles because I'm trying to kick my vim skills
up a notch though I'm sure that means I'll be a little irked when I'm at
someone else's buffer.

How has pycharm been treating you?  Carl is not back from Pycon.de so I
don't have his impressions yet.
On Oct 7, 2011 6:16 PM, "Chad Glendenin" <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > do you have any good vim plugins or dot file stuff to share?
...
>
> The main thing is to use Tim Pope's pathogen to make it easier to deal
> with plugins. A few specific plugins that are worth trying:
>
> * pyflakes.vim (static analysis for python; even gives you the red
> squiggly underline in gvim when it detects a problem)
>
> * Surround.vim (http://www.catonmat.net/blog/vim-plugins-surround-vim/)
>
> * NERD[Foo]
>
> Also, exuberant-ctags works with Python and Vim (Ctrl-] to jump to the
> definition of whatever is under the cursor, Ctrl-T to jump back).
>
> There's even a Chicago Vim meetup: http://www.meetup.com/Vim-Chicago/
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From chad at glendenin.com  Mon Oct 10 04:45:05 2011
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:45:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pycharm Re: Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raQQq8FsPmX_x8MAYz1mhB2DpWQD-_jtULemjbqwpR0qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbx8gZZwePi-aWtRoknZkM5DH95MK9QS9Bop8fbBKb3kA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABetDDuLRH12Ey89muBrV2dQJQtwWS3RqFWR_uKsVWXjw8-JHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_raQQq8FsPmX_x8MAYz1mhB2DpWQD-_jtULemjbqwpR0qg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABetDDvY3q2rL2DcUe6qeMXTns8WTLCZL2Ur-pcbEyUOjWHrnw@mail.gmail.com>

The lead developer of PyCharm gave an intro-to-PyCharm talk at Pycon
DE. I don't suppose Carl went to that, did he? :)


On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> I am not a vim newbie but only recently started using vim pathogen. My
> github account is codersquid and I've started cleaning up my dotfiles but
> they are still a mess.
>
> I like the the NERD family of plugins and also buff explorer and a few
> others. I've been trying to decide whether I like the folding settings I
> have for python.? They need tweaking or need to be done away with.
>
> I like when people share dotfiles because I'm trying to kick my vim skills
> up a notch though I'm sure that means I'll be a little irked when I'm at
> someone else's buffer.
>
> How has pycharm been treating you?? Carl is not back from Pycon.de so I
> don't have his impressions yet.
>
> On Oct 7, 2011 6:16 PM, "Chad Glendenin" <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > do you have any good vim plugins or dot file stuff to share?
> ...
>>
>> The main thing is to use Tim Pope's pathogen to make it easier to deal
>> with plugins. A few specific plugins that are worth trying:
>>
>> * pyflakes.vim (static analysis for python; even gives you the red
>> squiggly underline in gvim when it detects a problem)
>>
>> * Surround.vim (http://www.catonmat.net/blog/vim-plugins-surround-vim/)
>>
>> * NERD[Foo]
>>
>> Also, exuberant-ctags works with Python and Vim (Ctrl-] to jump to the
>> definition of whatever is under the cursor, Ctrl-T to jump back).
>>
>> There's even a Chicago Vim meetup: http://www.meetup.com/Vim-Chicago/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 05:23:46 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:23:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Topics for Thursdays Meeting
Message-ID: <CANKg38u=qaoUcpRkt_L01GRp_t8k47wBz==gwehXNigrzhT5Jw@mail.gmail.com>

As always, we are JIT compiled best meeting ever--the ChiPy way. Some
things never change... Who can talk?

There has been some talk on this list I would like to convert into topics:

  * First look at PyCharm
  * Python in other editors/IDES: TextMate, Komodo, emacs and vim...
  * ZeroMQ and other MQs

hmmm, should we just do a bunch of lightening talks on editors... I
would really like to get something formalized to some degree
tomorrow... at least, have something to put up on the site to get
people excited. October is one of the best meeting of the year... and
will be one of our best.

Who can talk?

-- 

Brian Ray

From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Oct 10 09:29:17 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 02:29:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pycharm Re: Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CABetDDvY3q2rL2DcUe6qeMXTns8WTLCZL2Ur-pcbEyUOjWHrnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbx8gZZwePi-aWtRoknZkM5DH95MK9QS9Bop8fbBKb3kA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABetDDuLRH12Ey89muBrV2dQJQtwWS3RqFWR_uKsVWXjw8-JHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_raQQq8FsPmX_x8MAYz1mhB2DpWQD-_jtULemjbqwpR0qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABetDDvY3q2rL2DcUe6qeMXTns8WTLCZL2Ur-pcbEyUOjWHrnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSjx9MQA0jieYgj6SV=da5G22J02uXGvip4xuq0Povz0iA@mail.gmail.com>

I was there, but the talk was in German, so I have no idea what he was
saying.  Watching it was fun and the beer was good.  The video will be
up once I get to an internet connection I can hammer on.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
> The lead developer of PyCharm gave an intro-to-PyCharm talk at Pycon
> DE. I don't suppose Carl went to that, did he? :)
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>> I am not a vim newbie but only recently started using vim pathogen. My
>> github account is codersquid and I've started cleaning up my dotfiles but
>> they are still a mess.
>>
>> I like the the NERD family of plugins and also buff explorer and a few
>> others. I've been trying to decide whether I like the folding settings I
>> have for python.? They need tweaking or need to be done away with.
>>
>> I like when people share dotfiles because I'm trying to kick my vim skills
>> up a notch though I'm sure that means I'll be a little irked when I'm at
>> someone else's buffer.
>>
>> How has pycharm been treating you?? Carl is not back from Pycon.de so I
>> don't have his impressions yet.
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2011 6:16 PM, "Chad Glendenin" <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > do you have any good vim plugins or dot file stuff to share?
>> ...
>>>
>>> The main thing is to use Tim Pope's pathogen to make it easier to deal
>>> with plugins. A few specific plugins that are worth trying:
>>>
>>> * pyflakes.vim (static analysis for python; even gives you the red
>>> squiggly underline in gvim when it detects a problem)
>>>
>>> * Surround.vim (http://www.catonmat.net/blog/vim-plugins-surround-vim/)
>>>
>>> * NERD[Foo]
>>>
>>> Also, exuberant-ctags works with Python and Vim (Ctrl-] to jump to the
>>> definition of whatever is under the cursor, Ctrl-T to jump back).
>>>
>>> There's even a Chicago Vim meetup: http://www.meetup.com/Vim-Chicago/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Carl K

From wcleveland at narrativescience.com  Mon Oct 10 16:52:14 2011
From: wcleveland at narrativescience.com (Wes Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:52:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pycharm Re: Venue & Topic
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSjx9MQA0jieYgj6SV=da5G22J02uXGvip4xuq0Povz0iA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rbx8gZZwePi-aWtRoknZkM5DH95MK9QS9Bop8fbBKb3kA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAHCs_raQQq8FsPmX_x8MAYz1mhB2DpWQD-_jtULemjbqwpR0qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABetDDvY3q2rL2DcUe6qeMXTns8WTLCZL2Ur-pcbEyUOjWHrnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADmzSSjx9MQA0jieYgj6SV=da5G22J02uXGvip4xuq0Povz0iA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP-JD0+8Kq35sDELn7W7to+AadDdi6qYst=xM=rHY9qPF3EiXg@mail.gmail.com>

Just wanted to toss Sublime Text Editor into the mix.  Here is a
lightning-list of features:

-Cross platform!
-TextMate Successor, includes all the snippets, etc from TextMate
-Sleek interface with full screen and no-distractions modes
-VIM text editing mode for those coming from VIM
-Multi-select and other great automation features
-2-column, 3 column, 2-4 pane window modes and more
-Very actively developed with a strong and passionate community

Perhaps the coolest part for our interests is the embedded python
interpreter powering a huge array of plugins and packages.  For example, I'm
currently using a git plugin, a python intellisence / autocomplete, a pylint
/ pyflakes package, and a few others (Great package manager here:
http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control)

Sublime has quickly swept across my office of python devs.  If you are
trying out new editors, I strongly suggest giving it a try!

http://www.sublimetext.com/2

-Wes C

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:29 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> I was there, but the talk was in German, so I have no idea what he was
> saying.  Watching it was fun and the beer was good.  The video will be
> up once I get to an internet connection I can hammer on.
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
> > The lead developer of PyCharm gave an intro-to-PyCharm talk at Pycon
> > DE. I don't suppose Carl went to that, did he? :)
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> >> I am not a vim newbie but only recently started using vim pathogen. My
> >> github account is codersquid and I've started cleaning up my dotfiles
> but
> >> they are still a mess.
> >>
> >> I like the the NERD family of plugins and also buff explorer and a few
> >> others. I've been trying to decide whether I like the folding settings I
> >> have for python.  They need tweaking or need to be done away with.
> >>
> >> I like when people share dotfiles because I'm trying to kick my vim
> skills
> >> up a notch though I'm sure that means I'll be a little irked when I'm at
> >> someone else's buffer.
> >>
> >> How has pycharm been treating you?  Carl is not back from Pycon.de so I
> >> don't have his impressions yet.
> >>
> >> On Oct 7, 2011 6:16 PM, "Chad Glendenin" <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > do you have any good vim plugins or dot file stuff to share?
> >> ...
> >>>
> >>> The main thing is to use Tim Pope's pathogen to make it easier to deal
> >>> with plugins. A few specific plugins that are worth trying:
> >>>
> >>> * pyflakes.vim (static analysis for python; even gives you the red
> >>> squiggly underline in gvim when it detects a problem)
> >>>
> >>> * Surround.vim (http://www.catonmat.net/blog/vim-plugins-surround-vim/
> )
> >>>
> >>> * NERD[Foo]
> >>>
> >>> Also, exuberant-ctags works with Python and Vim (Ctrl-] to jump to the
> >>> definition of whatever is under the cursor, Ctrl-T to jump back).
> >>>
> >>> There's even a Chicago Vim meetup: http://www.meetup.com/Vim-Chicago/
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 17:00:24 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:00:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Topics for Thursdays Meeting
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38u=qaoUcpRkt_L01GRp_t8k47wBz==gwehXNigrzhT5Jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38u=qaoUcpRkt_L01GRp_t8k47wBz==gwehXNigrzhT5Jw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 22:23, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> As always, we are JIT compiled best meeting ever--the ChiPy way. Some
> things never change... Who can talk?
>
> There has been some talk on this list I would like to convert into topics:
>
> ?* First look at PyCharm
> ?* Python in other editors/IDES: TextMate, Komodo, emacs and vim...
> ?* ZeroMQ and other MQs
>
> hmmm, should we just do a bunch of lightening talks on editors... I
> would really like to get something formalized to some degree
> tomorrow... at least, have something to put up on the site to get
> people excited. October is one of the best meeting of the year... and
> will be one of our best.
>
> Who can talk?

I can chime in on Python Tools for Visual Studio

From g at rre.tt  Mon Oct 10 17:18:59 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:18:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Topics for Thursdays Meeting
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On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 22:23, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> As always, we are JIT compiled best meeting ever--the ChiPy way. Some
>> things never change... Who can talk?
>>
>> There has been some talk on this list I would like to convert into topics:
>>
>> ?* First look at PyCharm
>> ?* Python in other editors/IDES: TextMate, Komodo, emacs and vim...
>> ?* ZeroMQ and other MQs
>>
>> hmmm, should we just do a bunch of lightening talks on editors... I
>> would really like to get something formalized to some degree
>> tomorrow... at least, have something to put up on the site to get
>> people excited. October is one of the best meeting of the year... and
>> will be one of our best.
>>
>> Who can talk?
>
> I can chime in on Python Tools for Visual Studio

If the editors track is thin, I can put something together about
RabbitMQ vs ZeroMQ. But count me as a fallback -- hopefully we can get
a quorum on the editors.

From chad at glendenin.com  Mon Oct 10 17:27:37 2011
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:27:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Topics for Thursdays Meeting
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> I can chime in on Python Tools for Visual Studio

+1. That looks pretty impressive. I wish I'd had something like that
back when I was doing HPC stuff with MPI full-time.

From mastahyeti at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 17:34:34 2011
From: mastahyeti at gmail.com (Ben Toews)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:34:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Topics for Thursdays Meeting
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+1 for anything thats not RabbitMQ :D

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
>> I can chime in on Python Tools for Visual Studio
>
> +1. That looks pretty impressive. I wish I'd had something like that
> back when I was doing HPC stuff with MPI full-time.
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From mastahyeti at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 17:38:36 2011
From: mastahyeti at gmail.com (Ben Toews)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:38:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pycharm Re: Venue & Topic
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I'm a big fan of Sublime, but I have found the vim keybindings to be
less than fully-functional.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Wes Cleveland
<wcleveland at narrativescience.com> wrote:
> Just wanted to toss Sublime Text Editor into the mix. ?Here is a
> lightning-list of features:
> -Cross platform!
> -TextMate Successor, includes all the snippets, etc from TextMate
> -Sleek interface with full screen and no-distractions modes
> -VIM text editing mode for those coming from VIM
> -Multi-select?and other great automation features
> -2-column, 3 column, 2-4 pane window modes and more
> -Very actively developed with a strong and passionate community
> Perhaps the coolest part for our interests is the embedded python
> interpreter powering a huge array of plugins and packages. ?For example, I'm
> currently using a git plugin, a python intellisence / autocomplete, a pylint
> / pyflakes package, and a few others (Great package manager
> here:?http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control)
> Sublime has quickly swept across my office of python devs. ?If you are
> trying out new editors, I strongly suggest giving it a try!
> http://www.sublimetext.com/2
> -Wes C
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:29 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I was there, but the talk was in German, so I have no idea what he was
>> saying. ?Watching it was fun and the beer was good. ?The video will be
>> up once I get to an internet connection I can hammer on.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
>> > The lead developer of PyCharm gave an intro-to-PyCharm talk at Pycon
>> > DE. I don't suppose Carl went to that, did he? :)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>> >> I am not a vim newbie but only recently started using vim pathogen. My
>> >> github account is codersquid and I've started cleaning up my dotfiles
>> >> but
>> >> they are still a mess.
>> >>
>> >> I like the the NERD family of plugins and also buff explorer and a few
>> >> others. I've been trying to decide whether I like the folding settings
>> >> I
>> >> have for python.? They need tweaking or need to be done away with.
>> >>
>> >> I like when people share dotfiles because I'm trying to kick my vim
>> >> skills
>> >> up a notch though I'm sure that means I'll be a little irked when I'm
>> >> at
>> >> someone else's buffer.
>> >>
>> >> How has pycharm been treating you?? Carl is not back from Pycon.de so I
>> >> don't have his impressions yet.
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 7, 2011 6:16 PM, "Chad Glendenin" <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > do you have any good vim plugins or dot file stuff to share?
>> >> ...
>> >>>
>> >>> The main thing is to use Tim Pope's pathogen to make it easier to deal
>> >>> with plugins. A few specific plugins that are worth trying:
>> >>>
>> >>> * pyflakes.vim (static analysis for python; even gives you the red
>> >>> squiggly underline in gvim when it detects a problem)
>> >>>
>> >>> * Surround.vim
>> >>> (http://www.catonmat.net/blog/vim-plugins-surround-vim/)
>> >>>
>> >>> * NERD[Foo]
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, exuberant-ctags works with Python and Vim (Ctrl-] to jump to the
>> >>> definition of whatever is under the cursor, Ctrl-T to jump back).
>> >>>
>> >>> There's even a Chicago Vim meetup: http://www.meetup.com/Vim-Chicago/
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



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From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Mon Oct 10 17:39:36 2011
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:39:36 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] Topics for Thursdays Meeting
Message-ID: <115275118871681@127.0.0.1>

Where is the meeting this week?
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 17:42:40 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:42:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Topics for Thursdays Meeting
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On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com> wrote:
> Where is the meeting this week?

ITA, I think... unless something else comes up really soon.

-- 

Brian Ray

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 17:48:44 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:48:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Topics for Thursdays Meeting
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> If the editors track is thin, I can put something together about
> RabbitMQ vs ZeroMQ. But count me as a fallback -- hopefully we can get
> a quorum on the editors.

I like the editors track +1 and thanks for the MQ vs MQ idea. Let's
see how many editor talks we can get. This is going to be fun.

I can do "komodo for vim users".

-- 

Brian Ray

From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Oct 10 19:33:08 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:33:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pycharm Re: Venue & Topic
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if someone is fluent in German and patient enough for subtitles maybe
we could watch a subtitled version of the talk.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:29 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> I was there, but the talk was in German, so I have no idea what he was
> saying. ?Watching it was fun and the beer was good. ?The video will be
> up once I get to an internet connection I can hammer on.



-- 
sheila

From toba at des.truct.org  Tue Oct 11 07:24:06 2011
From: toba at des.truct.org (Eric Stein)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:24:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Topics for Thursdays Meeting
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I'd be interesting in hearing about RabbitMQ and how it contrasts with
ZeroMQ: I've used ZeroMQ in multiple languages and found it quite nice.

Eric

On 10/10/2011 10:48 AM, Brian Ray wrote:
>> If the editors track is thin, I can put something together about
>> RabbitMQ vs ZeroMQ. But count me as a fallback -- hopefully we can get
>> a quorum on the editors.
> I like the editors track +1 and thanks for the MQ vs MQ idea. Let's
> see how many editor talks we can get. This is going to be fun.
>
> I can do "komodo for vim users".
>


From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 16:12:45 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:12:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy October Meeting
Message-ID: <CANKg38tGnbkhsCYnipxic+swz_yssvdGOygZstQxGoQpmhQiOw@mail.gmail.com>

Chicago Python User Group
=====================

RSVP at http://chipy.org/

We have the best ever line up this month for ChiPy.

We are talking Message Queues and Editors this time.  Food and drink
will be provide. If you have any drink or food preferences please let
us know.

Brian Curtin is PSF and ChiPy veteran. He is an expert on running
Python on Windows. Yes the chipmunk runs many places. Brian shows how.

Garrett knows async like nobody else. His depth of knowledge and real
experiences always provide a bleeding edge presentation. A must see
talk before anyone steps into MQ land.

Brian Ray (me recently named one of top tech in Chicago
http://chicagobusiness.com/tech25) will show how to use vim for
editing Python files and Komodo for a full fledge IDE with debugging
and more. Use VIM key bindings on Komodo to take full advantage of VIM
time saving key strokes. Now VIM has three modes: beep, break stuff,
and debug :P Finally, VIM now is a great editor AND an operating
system-- take that EMACS!

Forward this to others!

When:  October 13th 2011 7 p.m
Where: ITA 15th Floor 200 S. Wacker Drive Chicago, IL 60606 312.435.2805
Join us for the best meeting ever!

ITA is close to all sorts of public transit.

IF you drive, please visit:

 http://spothero.com/ita-/-technexus/chicago-python-user-group-10-13-2011

$6 loop parking. Wow what a deal. And hey folks, written in Python.

You will need to RSVP at http://chipy.org/

RSVP Quick Links:

YES http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/40/yes
MAYBE http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/40/maybe


Topics
------

Python Tools for Visual Studio
(:20 Twenty Minutes)
By: Brian Curtin

RabbitMQ vs ZeroMQ
(:30 Thirty Minutes)
By: Garrett Smith

Komodo for vim users
(:20 Thirty Minutes)
By: Brian Ray
Now you can get an editor not lacking an operating system. yay!

About the group
---------------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also,
ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts
in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
*NEW* Like us on facebook <http://www.facebook.com/pages/ChiPy/108603439249445>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
ChiPy Announcement *ONLY* Mailing List:
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chipy-announce>
Python website: <http://python.org>

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 00:33:25 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:33:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Bitbucket drink-up at Rock Bottom - 10/25
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwoE-1QAcR+ro8ZZY3up1zEThGX7uLpE3r0qURCVB=sSuA@mail.gmail.com>

The Bitbucket team is going to be in town to 10/25 for a meetup at
Rock Bottom brewery (State/Grand). If you like beer and Bitbucket,
sign up: http://blog.bitbucket.org/2011/10/10/us-drink-up-tour-come-meet-the-bitbucket-team/

From g at rre.tt  Wed Oct 12 00:54:14 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:54:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Pimping Erlang
Message-ID: <CACU=p6uWzyPywZd2PNP7F73HW1POL1o-aBGSU62_UyKcXx=cLw@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone's slightly curious about Erlang at a deeper level, there's
an intro presentation at the Chicago Erlang User Group next Wed.

http://www.meetup.com/ErlangChicago/events/36973052/

Yo. Concurrency, bitches.

From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 16:07:22 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for Presentor for Thursday
Message-ID: <CANKg38tCL1pnsOUrbSo8U5REEmnwuwqd=H1Kk4ZbB0gD1qhGsg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys:

Garrett has a conflict for tomorrow nights meeting.

Is there anyone who can present on something? Perhaps MQ or editor related.


-- 

Brian Ray

From asl2 at pobox.com  Wed Oct 12 17:35:11 2011
From: asl2 at pobox.com (Aaron Lav)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:35:11 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for Presentor for Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38tCL1pnsOUrbSo8U5REEmnwuwqd=H1Kk4ZbB0gD1qhGsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tCL1pnsOUrbSo8U5REEmnwuwqd=H1Kk4ZbB0gD1qhGsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111012153511.GA28392@panix.com>

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 09:07:22AM -0500, Brian Ray wrote:
> Hey guys:
> 
> Garrett has a conflict for tomorrow nights meeting.

Garrett is one of the last people I'd expect to have concurrency
problems.

    Aaron (asl2 at pobox.com)


From greg at tablexi.com  Wed Oct 12 17:37:57 2011
From: greg at tablexi.com (Greg Baugues)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:37:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for Presentor for Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38tCL1pnsOUrbSo8U5REEmnwuwqd=H1Kk4ZbB0gD1qhGsg@mail.gmail.com>
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While there's no technical topic on which I can speak with authority, At
Windy City Rails I gave a presentation called *How to Be The Most
Interesting Man in the World*.

I'm a programmer turned sales guy. The presentation is about how I learned
how to talk to people by treating it as an engineering challenge, and hacks
I learned for face-to-face interaction. I'll share specific techniques for
how to start a conversation with anyone and have them feel it was the most
interesting conversation they've had all day.

You're probably looking for something more technical, but if you would like
something a little different, I'm happy to present.


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey guys:
>
> Garrett has a conflict for tomorrow nights meeting.
>
> Is there anyone who can present on something? Perhaps MQ or editor related.
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 17:44:23 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:44:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for Presentor for Thursday
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Greg Baugues <greg at tablexi.com> wrote:
> While there's no technical topic on which I can speak with authority, At
> Windy City Rails I gave a presentation called How to Be The Most Interesting
> Man in the World.
> I'm a programmer turned sales guy. The presentation is about how I learned
> how to talk to people by treating it as an engineering challenge, and hacks
> I learned for face-to-face interaction. I'll share specific techniques for
> how to start a conversation with anyone and have them feel it was the most
> interesting conversation they've had all day.
>
> You're probably looking for something more technical, but if you would like
> something a little different, I'm happy to present.
>

I actually appreciate those type of presentations.... unless we hear
any objections within the next hour or so, your on!

Thanks for stepping up to the plate... this is going to be great!

-- 

Brian Ray

From greg at tablexi.com  Wed Oct 12 18:00:03 2011
From: greg at tablexi.com (Greg Baugues)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:00:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for Presentor for Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38uSdU+KgdGNDe=bbs8SK=Lcn3Qk=61yy3u5hhrBv=pT9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Sounds like fun.

How long of a presentation are you looking for?

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Greg Baugues <greg at tablexi.com> wrote:
> > While there's no technical topic on which I can speak with authority, At
> > Windy City Rails I gave a presentation called How to Be The Most
> Interesting
> > Man in the World.
> > I'm a programmer turned sales guy. The presentation is about how I
> learned
> > how to talk to people by treating it as an engineering challenge, and
> hacks
> > I learned for face-to-face interaction. I'll share specific techniques
> for
> > how to start a conversation with anyone and have them feel it was the
> most
> > interesting conversation they've had all day.
> >
> > You're probably looking for something more technical, but if you would
> like
> > something a little different, I'm happy to present.
> >
>
> I actually appreciate those type of presentations.... unless we hear
> any objections within the next hour or so, your on!
>
> Thanks for stepping up to the plate... this is going to be great!
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 18:02:22 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:02:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for Presentor for Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CANR_tA6abRhkzQVPkkuu1KTnMNvt74eVVdNP3=TqfaWWo2P1AQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tCL1pnsOUrbSo8U5REEmnwuwqd=H1Kk4ZbB0gD1qhGsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANR_tA5fguVUv9Xytj+95DK6gLSrbT8ZiwNDmp_iA6iTwB-=7w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Greg Baugues <greg at tablexi.com> wrote:
> Sounds like fun.
> How long of a presentation are you looking for?
>

20-30 minutes will work. If you need more time, take it. We just may
need a food break since your up second.

-- 

Brian Ray

From chad at glendenin.com  Wed Oct 12 18:02:35 2011
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:02:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for Presentor for Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CANR_tA5fguVUv9Xytj+95DK6gLSrbT8ZiwNDmp_iA6iTwB-=7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tCL1pnsOUrbSo8U5REEmnwuwqd=H1Kk4ZbB0gD1qhGsg@mail.gmail.com>
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Wow, that sounds awesome. It kind of reminds me of something I read a
while back from Paul Graham (well, I think it was PG... but I can't
find it at the moment) about how he was initially afraid of doing
sales, because he's an engineer and a nerd, but found it surprisingly
easy, because he built what he honestly believed was the best product
and could simply explain to the customers why it was the best.

Anyway, +1 for communication hacks for engineers. :)


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Greg Baugues <greg at tablexi.com> wrote:
> While there's no technical topic on which I can speak with authority, At
> Windy City Rails I gave a presentation called How to Be The Most Interesting
> Man in the World.
> I'm a programmer turned sales guy. The presentation is about how I learned
> how to talk to people by treating it as an engineering challenge, and hacks
> I learned for face-to-face interaction. I'll share specific techniques for
> how to start a conversation with anyone and have them feel it was the most
> interesting conversation they've had all day.
>
> You're probably looking for something more technical, but if you would like
> something a little different, I'm happy to present.
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys:
>>
>> Garrett has a conflict for tomorrow nights meeting.
>>
>> Is there anyone who can present on something? Perhaps MQ or editor
>> related.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Ray
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> Greg Baugues
> 312.576.6701
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 18:25:51 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:25:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for Presentor for Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CANR_tA5fguVUv9Xytj+95DK6gLSrbT8ZiwNDmp_iA6iTwB-=7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tCL1pnsOUrbSo8U5REEmnwuwqd=H1Kk4ZbB0gD1qhGsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANR_tA5fguVUv9Xytj+95DK6gLSrbT8ZiwNDmp_iA6iTwB-=7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwo-H1U+RTHYoQsPGVmDckp06zvwYmStast=b9Y1RORqOA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:37, Greg Baugues <greg at tablexi.com> wrote:
> I gave a presentation called How to Be The Most Interesting
> Man in the World.

Speaking of the most interesting man in the
world...http://i.imgur.com/y3MLI.png (http://us.pycon.org/2012/)

From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 20:14:02 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:14:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Reminder RSVP to best meeting ever
Message-ID: <CANKg38u+EJyipPU3AFn7qNx5EJ5vZ7tbH74pUVKfbW2KkhTe3A@mail.gmail.com>

Remember to RSVP for tomorrow night's meeting, y'all!

  http://chipy.org

best ever! I promise or drinks are on me.

-- 

Brian Ray

From eviljoel at linux.com  Wed Oct 12 20:46:51 2011
From: eviljoel at linux.com (eviljoel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:46:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Reminder RSVP to best meeting ever
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38u+EJyipPU3AFn7qNx5EJ5vZ7tbH74pUVKfbW2KkhTe3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38u+EJyipPU3AFn7qNx5EJ5vZ7tbH74pUVKfbW2KkhTe3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANttP85i32HYcvkSQUh0jd1Z=Ea4oBb=Zr+3-gcfJ7METgmW3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Everyone hear that?  Drinks are on Brian!  ;-)


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Remember to RSVP for tomorrow night's meeting, y'all!
>
> ?http://chipy.org
>
> best ever! I promise or drinks are on me.
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 20:51:41 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:51:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Reminder RSVP to best meeting ever
In-Reply-To: <CANttP85i32HYcvkSQUh0jd1Z=Ea4oBb=Zr+3-gcfJ7METgmW3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38u+EJyipPU3AFn7qNx5EJ5vZ7tbH74pUVKfbW2KkhTe3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP85i32HYcvkSQUh0jd1Z=Ea4oBb=Zr+3-gcfJ7METgmW3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:46 PM, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com> wrote:
> Everyone hear that? ?Drinks are on Brian! ?;-)

I will provide everyone with the already free drinks always available
already at ChiPy!

-- 

Brian Ray

From tathagatadg at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 22:35:45 2011
From: tathagatadg at gmail.com (Tathagata Dasgupta)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:35:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
Message-ID: <CAB32_MNdGHBrLSAoFTfrVS+TLWFfWnesZCsY68XvjzDPRtS_Qw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello :D,
The greatest part of Chipy is probably the wonderful fun people in it.
Everyday they are sharing, writing, pushing, forking wonderful stuff
that's not really meant to be pushed through a mailing list, but
invaluable nonetheless.

http://bit.ly/oSGqCf

So I made a small gdocs form above and humbly request for your twitter
handle, blog, github and linkedin profile.

Apart from a public twitter list, a planet aggregator at chipy.org,
may be we can build fun mashups if we have the data - like "find a
Python-er near you" or integrate it with the 3 blind mice project -
after all its the best meetup group ever!

-- 
Cheers,
T

P.S.
Why no facebook? I just prefer to stay away from it
Why no google+? Ugly urls
But if some one cares its just about adding 2 columns ...

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 23:10:44 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:10:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
In-Reply-To: <CAB32_MNdGHBrLSAoFTfrVS+TLWFfWnesZCsY68XvjzDPRtS_Qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB32_MNdGHBrLSAoFTfrVS+TLWFfWnesZCsY68XvjzDPRtS_Qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zn1JuRWp_Py+2nnw55bXx1wzLL7pwJFctE0dysz4SLUGQ@mail.gmail.com>

I submitted my information and you should too!


---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Tathagata Dasgupta
<tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello :D,
> The greatest part of Chipy is probably the wonderful fun people in it.
> Everyday they are sharing, writing, pushing, forking wonderful stuff
> that's not really meant to be pushed through a mailing list, but
> invaluable nonetheless.
>
> http://bit.ly/oSGqCf
>
> So I made a small gdocs form above and humbly request for your twitter
> handle, blog, github and linkedin profile.
>
> Apart from a public twitter list, a planet aggregator at chipy.org,
> may be we can build fun mashups if we have the data - like "find a
> Python-er near you" or integrate it with the 3 blind mice project -
> after all its the best meetup group ever!
>
> --
> Cheers,
> T
>
> P.S.
> Why no facebook? I just prefer to stay away from it
> Why no google+? Ugly urls
> But if some one cares its just about adding 2 columns ...
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 20:20:21 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:20:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Last chance to RSVP for tonights meeting
Message-ID: <CANKg38t9-YBi9km3K9qhYrR9ahi7KN=YWXMFb+8rcLvcZ63ttg@mail.gmail.com>

HERE -> http://chipy.org/

I will send the host the list at 3PM.  If your not on the list, you
may have issues with security. Call 773 669 7717 my cell if this
happens. Sometimes they are cool sometimes not.

This is going to be great. See you there.

Brian

From greg at tablexi.com  Fri Oct 14 19:08:05 2011
From: greg at tablexi.com (Greg Baugues)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:08:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Last chance to RSVP for tonights meeting
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38t9-YBi9km3K9qhYrR9ahi7KN=YWXMFb+8rcLvcZ63ttg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38t9-YBi9km3K9qhYrR9ahi7KN=YWXMFb+8rcLvcZ63ttg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANR_tA54=js=k=Wwgz85BwU8StqA0ezZxW5QWE5MTxTYA4jeRw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Thanks again for the opportunity to speak last night.

I put the slides online, though I'm not sure how useful they will be as they
are mostly pictures.

Here's the clip from Heat <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb0vUHduwII>
(relevant
:40 - 3:25). He's using short open ended questions to give her permission to
keep talking, while saying nothing about himself. He's not trying to tell
her how cool he is, he's just letting her talk about things that

As long as they're talking, you can't screw it up. You don't have to worry
about saying the wrong thing, if they're bored. You don't have to even know
anything about the topic at hand. You can talk to anyone: nuclear
physicists, lawyers, football fanatics, even women....


On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> HERE -> http://chipy.org/
>
> I will send the host the list at 3PM.  If your not on the list, you
> may have issues with security. Call 773 669 7717 my cell if this
> happens. Sometimes they are cool sometimes not.
>
> This is going to be great. See you there.
>
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Greg Baugues
312.576.6701
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From greg at tablexi.com  Fri Oct 14 19:08:35 2011
From: greg at tablexi.com (Greg Baugues)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:08:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Last chance to RSVP for tonights meeting
In-Reply-To: <CANR_tA54=js=k=Wwgz85BwU8StqA0ezZxW5QWE5MTxTYA4jeRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38t9-YBi9km3K9qhYrR9ahi7KN=YWXMFb+8rcLvcZ63ttg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANR_tA54=js=k=Wwgz85BwU8StqA0ezZxW5QWE5MTxTYA4jeRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANR_tA6euRhCcQEAwJdUKRHHmtjOVujD=JGLqRTUQeRmb0nSHA@mail.gmail.com>

Slides<http://www.slideshare.net/baugues/how-to-be-the-most-interesting-man-in-the-world>
.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Greg Baugues <greg at tablexi.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Thanks again for the opportunity to speak last night.
>
> I put the slides online, though I'm not sure how useful they will be as
> they are mostly pictures.
>
> Here's the clip from Heat <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb0vUHduwII> (relevant
> :40 - 3:25). He's using short open ended questions to give her permission to
> keep talking, while saying nothing about himself. He's not trying to tell
> her how cool he is, he's just letting her talk about things that
>
> As long as they're talking, you can't screw it up. You don't have to worry
> about saying the wrong thing, if they're bored. You don't have to even know
> anything about the topic at hand. You can talk to anyone: nuclear
> physicists, lawyers, football fanatics, even women....
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> HERE -> http://chipy.org/
>>
>> I will send the host the list at 3PM.  If your not on the list, you
>> may have issues with security. Call 773 669 7717 my cell if this
>> happens. Sometimes they are cool sometimes not.
>>
>> This is going to be great. See you there.
>>
>> Brian
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Greg Baugues
> 312.576.6701
>
>
>


-- 
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From toba at des.truct.org  Sat Oct 15 22:22:23 2011
From: toba at des.truct.org (Eric Stein)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:22:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zn1JuRWp_Py+2nnw55bXx1wzLL7pwJFctE0dysz4SLUGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB32_MNdGHBrLSAoFTfrVS+TLWFfWnesZCsY68XvjzDPRtS_Qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zn1JuRWp_Py+2nnw55bXx1wzLL7pwJFctE0dysz4SLUGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E99EB7F.7020307@des.truct.org>

you.thinking += 1

Eric

P.S. Does the lack of increment and decrement operators in Python bug
anyone else?

On 10/12/2011 04:10 PM, Joshua Herman wrote:
> I submitted my information and you should too!
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Tathagata Dasgupta
> <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello :D,
>> The greatest part of Chipy is probably the wonderful fun people in it.
>> Everyday they are sharing, writing, pushing, forking wonderful stuff
>> that's not really meant to be pushed through a mailing list, but
>> invaluable nonetheless.
>>
>> http://bit.ly/oSGqCf
>>
>> So I made a small gdocs form above and humbly request for your twitter
>> handle, blog, github and linkedin profile.
>>
>> Apart from a public twitter list, a planet aggregator at chipy.org,
>> may be we can build fun mashups if we have the data - like "find a
>> Python-er near you" or integrate it with the 3 blind mice project -
>> after all its the best meetup group ever!
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> T
>>
>> P.S.
>> Why no facebook? I just prefer to stay away from it
>> Why no google+? Ugly urls
>> But if some one cares its just about adding 2 columns ...
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From dan at streemit.net  Sat Oct 15 22:26:33 2011
From: dan at streemit.net (Dan M)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:26:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
In-Reply-To: <4E99EB7F.7020307@des.truct.org>
References: <CAB32_MNdGHBrLSAoFTfrVS+TLWFfWnesZCsY68XvjzDPRtS_Qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zn1JuRWp_Py+2nnw55bXx1wzLL7pwJFctE0dysz4SLUGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E99EB7F.7020307@des.truct.org>
Message-ID: <82e7baeb-e339-4c0a-92dc-17ee70be0b49@email.android.com>

Yes. I really miss -- and ++.
-- 
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Eric Stein <toba at des.truct.org> wrote:

you.thinking += 1 Eric P.S. Does the lack of increment and decrement operators in Python bug anyone else? On 10/12/2011 04:10 PM, Joshua Herman wrote: > I submitted my information and you should too! > > > ---Profile:--- > http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Tathagata Dasgupta > <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello :D, >> The greatest part of Chipy is probably the wonderful fun people in it. >> Everyday they are sharing, writing, pushing, forking wonderful stuff >> that's not really meant to be pushed through a mailing list, but >> invaluable nonetheless. >> >> http://bit.ly/oSGqCf >> >> So I made a small gdocs form above and humbly request for your twitter >> handle, blog, github and linkedin profile. >> >> Apart from a public twitter list, a planet aggregator at chipy.org, >> may be we can build fun mashups if we have the data - like "find a >> Python-er near you" or integrate it with the 3 blind mice project - >> after all its the best meetup group ever! >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> T >> >> P.S. >> Why no facebook? I just prefer to stay away from it >> Why no google+? Ugly urls >> But if some one cares its just about adding 2 columns ... >>_____________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >_____________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago_____________________________________________
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sat Oct 15 23:06:02 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:06:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
In-Reply-To: <4E99EB7F.7020307@des.truct.org>
References: <CAB32_MNdGHBrLSAoFTfrVS+TLWFfWnesZCsY68XvjzDPRtS_Qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zn1JuRWp_Py+2nnw55bXx1wzLL7pwJFctE0dysz4SLUGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E99EB7F.7020307@des.truct.org>
Message-ID: <2EE5FAEA-0BDD-474A-B7FD-A698FAD05A07@gmail.com>

Yea, it annoys me too...
On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Eric Stein wrote:

> you.thinking += 1
> 
> Eric
> 
> P.S. Does the lack of increment and decrement operators in Python bug
> anyone else?
> 
> On 10/12/2011 04:10 PM, Joshua Herman wrote:
>> I submitted my information and you should too!
>> 
>> 
>> ---Profile:---
>> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Tathagata Dasgupta
>> <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello :D,
>>> The greatest part of Chipy is probably the wonderful fun people in it.
>>> Everyday they are sharing, writing, pushing, forking wonderful stuff
>>> that's not really meant to be pushed through a mailing list, but
>>> invaluable nonetheless.
>>> 
>>> http://bit.ly/oSGqCf
>>> 
>>> So I made a small gdocs form above and humbly request for your twitter
>>> handle, blog, github and linkedin profile.
>>> 
>>> Apart from a public twitter list, a planet aggregator at chipy.org,
>>> may be we can build fun mashups if we have the data - like "find a
>>> Python-er near you" or integrate it with the 3 blind mice project -
>>> after all its the best meetup group ever!
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> T
>>> 
>>> P.S.
>>> Why no facebook? I just prefer to stay away from it
>>> Why no google+? Ugly urls
>>> But if some one cares its just about adding 2 columns ...
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From maney at two14.net  Sun Oct 16 04:25:05 2011
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:25:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
In-Reply-To: <2EE5FAEA-0BDD-474A-B7FD-A698FAD05A07@gmail.com>
References: <CAB32_MNdGHBrLSAoFTfrVS+TLWFfWnesZCsY68XvjzDPRtS_Qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zn1JuRWp_Py+2nnw55bXx1wzLL7pwJFctE0dysz4SLUGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E99EB7F.7020307@des.truct.org>
	<2EE5FAEA-0BDD-474A-B7FD-A698FAD05A07@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111016022505.GB15569@furrr.two14.net>

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 04:06:02PM -0500, Joshua Herman wrote:
> On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Eric Stein wrote:
> > P.S. Does the lack of increment and decrement operators in Python bug
> > anyone else?

> Yea, it annoys me too...

My knee-jerk was "yeah, me too", but then I stopped and tried to
remember the last time I wanted to use any of them in Python code, and
I couldn't.  All the examples I came up with seemed to me to be
unpythonic - writing a loop that should be for range(something) the
hard way or some such.  I dimly recall doing stuff like that a decade
ago when I first started dabbling in Python, coming from a largely C
background.  Now, well, as I say, I can think of places they could be
used, but I get those loops by downcoding into C-in-Python.  -1.

-- 
Pruning and restoring a blighted tree is almost an impossible task.
The same is true of blighted computer programs.  Restoring a structure
that has been distorted by patches and deletions, or fixing a program
with a seriously weak algorithm isn't worth the time.  The best that
can result is a long, inefficient, unintelligible program that defies
maintenance.  The worst that could result, we dare not think of.
 -- Henry Ledgard (trying not to think of Windows, you think?)


From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Oct 16 08:13:50 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 01:13:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] German video help
Message-ID: <CADmzSShHz9oTAeu_E7EA_Uxib2mR_ToSBkmeJMp+qFQiFcnTXA@mail.gmail.com>

I need some help reviewing from someone who understands German, unlike
me.  Make sure that the title screen is the title of the talk that the
video is,  the unicode chars got rendered correctly, then skip to the
end and make sure that looks like the actual end.   generally takes me
about a minute.   The list is here:

http://veyepar.nextdayvideo.com:8080/main/C/pyconde/S/pyconde2011/s/3/

If you are interested, you can review and email me what you find.  Or
if you are going to do it later let me know and I'll give you a login
so you can flip the state from 'review' to 'post'  which will help
keep someone else from reviewing the same one.

-- 
Carl K

From benderbending at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 20:12:20 2011
From: benderbending at gmail.com (Brian Boyer)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:12:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Code in the public interest, make your mother proud
Message-ID: <CAM66ckLuqpaRypYSH7cA-6UwUkvD5Ubx0rVEEohNUrNWDJJ2CA@mail.gmail.com>

There's too much data, and too few hackers.

The city dropped 10 years of incredibly detailed crime information a
few weeks ago, and we've barely touched it. The state of Illinois just
released an 9500-column-wide
data set on school performance. And there may just be a few important
elections peeking over the horizon.

The Chicago Tribune needs you. Your city needs you.

Join us.

http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/2011/09/08/we%E2%80%99re-hiring-code-in-the-public-interest-make-your-mother-proud/

b

From pete at wearpants.org  Wed Oct  5 23:37:05 2011
From: pete at wearpants.org (Peter Fein)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:37:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Venue
In-Reply-To: <CAEdtD8ABJwcXvfDbgrrgf97Gy7L+CEPiufDhwRShetwh7fzYgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38vVbD5ZN7zTRFoYD0mtiBgwdqudRxgbgy2VLE-oXS8npQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEdtD8ABJwcXvfDbgrrgf97Gy7L+CEPiufDhwRShetwh7fzYgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABD8qwwGajxX_+ATJKZ67eK9BofBgyMQ1jC9KvVodVnhgci=cw@mail.gmail.com>

Can I give a short talk about Coffeescript and why it is awesome and
you should love it if you like Python and/or are a human.

Coffeescript is an alternate syntax for Javascript inspired by Python,
Ruby and Lisp. Did I mention it's awesome?
http://jashkenas.github.com/coffee-script/

--Pete

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:41 AM, J. D. Jordan <zanson at zanson.org> wrote:
> Is there a proposed topic yet?
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello, I am looking for a venue for this month's ChiPy. There was some talk
>> last month about Morningstar, Adler, .... who can host this meeting? It is
>> going to be a great one.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Ray
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From jmwebstuff at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 14 15:40:00 2011
From: jmwebstuff at yahoo.com (Julie Bell)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 06:40:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Introduction to Python Seminar - Still has space available
Message-ID: <1318599600.10996.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I still have spaces avaailable for the The Introduction to Python
(programming language) Seminar


Presenter: Vern Ceder

Saturday, October 29, 2011 10:00 AM - 1:00pm.

Doors open at 9:30.

College of Lake County
Grayslake Campus

Room T238

Space is limited ?.... ?Please reserve your space now.

Free Event

Please send me a RSVP to clcllinuxclub at gmail.com if you are planning
on coming.

If you RSVP and can't make it, please email to un-RSVP as space is
limited and someone else can use it.

Email me with Questions!
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From noeltaylo at gmail.com  Sun Oct 16 08:44:44 2011
From: noeltaylo at gmail.com (Noel Taylor)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 01:44:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] German video help
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSShHz9oTAeu_E7EA_Uxib2mR_ToSBkmeJMp+qFQiFcnTXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmzSShHz9oTAeu_E7EA_Uxib2mR_ToSBkmeJMp+qFQiFcnTXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPYFjVt8fLy04cMaBU_ssQSc0DSC=DZTBpFZJxKPVeb6kqZLWg@mail.gmail.com>

I speak German, but don't understand what I'm looking at when I follow the
link.

Are you looking for confirmation for all of these talks?  Also, clicking on
any of these links take me to a screen with lots of other links and a form
that seems to be related to a video, but if there's an actual video in there
somewhere, it's not clear to me where it is or how to watch it.

If you can help clarify, I can answer the German questions for you.

Noel Taylor

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> I need some help reviewing from someone who understands German, unlike
> me.  Make sure that the title screen is the title of the talk that the
> video is,  the unicode chars got rendered correctly, then skip to the
> end and make sure that looks like the actual end.   generally takes me
> about a minute.   The list is here:
>
> http://veyepar.nextdayvideo.com:8080/main/C/pyconde/S/pyconde2011/s/3/
>
> If you are interested, you can review and email me what you find.  Or
> if you are going to do it later let me know and I'll give you a login
> so you can flip the state from 'review' to 'post'  which will help
> keep someone else from reviewing the same one.
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Sun Oct 16 22:58:38 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:58:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Code in the public interest, make your mother proud
In-Reply-To: <CAM66ckLuqpaRypYSH7cA-6UwUkvD5Ubx0rVEEohNUrNWDJJ2CA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM66ckLuqpaRypYSH7cA-6UwUkvD5Ubx0rVEEohNUrNWDJJ2CA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9DEC140A-62C1-4E2D-B048-F4E2BD4F7B0B@cs.depaul.edu>

Where is this data? I cannot find it at the link provided.

On Oct 5, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Brian Boyer wrote:

> There's too much data, and too few hackers.
> 
> The city dropped 10 years of incredibly detailed crime information a
> few weeks ago, and we've barely touched it. The state of Illinois just
> released an 9500-column-wide
> data set on school performance. And there may just be a few important
> elections peeking over the horizon.
> 
> The Chicago Tribune needs you. Your city needs you.
> 
> Join us.
> 
> http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/2011/09/08/we%E2%80%99re-hiring-code-in-the-public-interest-make-your-mother-proud/
> 
> b
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sun Oct 16 23:01:33 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:01:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Code in the public interest, make your mother proud
In-Reply-To: <9DEC140A-62C1-4E2D-B048-F4E2BD4F7B0B@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <CAM66ckLuqpaRypYSH7cA-6UwUkvD5Ubx0rVEEohNUrNWDJJ2CA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9DEC140A-62C1-4E2D-B048-F4E2BD4F7B0B@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zmTMTS52Rh+=Ti1WrZV3DCf7N_XYc0HY44_Vp=8Bjc3Lg@mail.gmail.com>

The crime data is at this website http://data.cityofchicago.org/


---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> Where is this data? I cannot find it at the link provided.
>
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Brian Boyer wrote:
>
>> There's too much data, and too few hackers.
>>
>> The city dropped 10 years of incredibly detailed crime information a
>> few weeks ago, and we've barely touched it. The state of Illinois just
>> released an 9500-column-wide
>> data set on school performance. And there may just be a few important
>> elections peeking over the horizon.
>>
>> The Chicago Tribune needs you. Your city needs you.
>>
>> Join us.
>>
>> http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/2011/09/08/we%E2%80%99re-hiring-code-in-the-public-interest-make-your-mother-proud/
>>
>> b
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sun Oct 16 23:02:13 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:02:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Code in the public interest, make your mother proud
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zmTMTS52Rh+=Ti1WrZV3DCf7N_XYc0HY44_Vp=8Bjc3Lg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM66ckLuqpaRypYSH7cA-6UwUkvD5Ubx0rVEEohNUrNWDJJ2CA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9DEC140A-62C1-4E2D-B048-F4E2BD4F7B0B@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAB3V1zmTMTS52Rh+=Ti1WrZV3DCf7N_XYc0HY44_Vp=8Bjc3Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zmOCMfnBxktYT1Kx1VRdivYtbPrnjNhNFE5Gov739gHDw@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a direct link to the data
http://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Crimes-2001-to-present/ijzp-q8t2


---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> The crime data is at this website http://data.cityofchicago.org/
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>> Where is this data? I cannot find it at the link provided.
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Brian Boyer wrote:
>>
>>> There's too much data, and too few hackers.
>>>
>>> The city dropped 10 years of incredibly detailed crime information a
>>> few weeks ago, and we've barely touched it. The state of Illinois just
>>> released an 9500-column-wide
>>> data set on school performance. And there may just be a few important
>>> elections peeking over the horizon.
>>>
>>> The Chicago Tribune needs you. Your city needs you.
>>>
>>> Join us.
>>>
>>> http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/2011/09/08/we%E2%80%99re-hiring-code-in-the-public-interest-make-your-mother-proud/
>>>
>>> b
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>

From tathagatadg at gmail.com  Sun Oct 16 23:10:20 2011
From: tathagatadg at gmail.com (Tathagata Dasgupta)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:10:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Code in the public interest, make your mother proud
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zmOCMfnBxktYT1Kx1VRdivYtbPrnjNhNFE5Gov739gHDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM66ckLuqpaRypYSH7cA-6UwUkvD5Ubx0rVEEohNUrNWDJJ2CA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9DEC140A-62C1-4E2D-B048-F4E2BD4F7B0B@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAB3V1zmTMTS52Rh+=Ti1WrZV3DCf7N_XYc0HY44_Vp=8Bjc3Lg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zmOCMfnBxktYT1Kx1VRdivYtbPrnjNhNFE5Gov739gHDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB32_MNwvv45nDerBW80m0vS531NSPmuqjrGZawuVToeYQWE-A@mail.gmail.com>

There's a Apps 4 Metro Chicago event tomorrow at at the IBM Innovation
center ...
http://a4mchacksalon1.eventbrite.com/

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is a direct link to the data
> http://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Crimes-2001-to-present/ijzp-q8t2
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The crime data is at this website http://data.cityofchicago.org/
>>
>>
>> ---Profile:---
>> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
>> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>>> Where is this data? I cannot find it at the link provided.
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Brian Boyer wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's too much data, and too few hackers.
>>>>
>>>> The city dropped 10 years of incredibly detailed crime information a
>>>> few weeks ago, and we've barely touched it. The state of Illinois just
>>>> released an 9500-column-wide
>>>> data set on school performance. And there may just be a few important
>>>> elections peeking over the horizon.
>>>>
>>>> The Chicago Tribune needs you. Your city needs you.
>>>>
>>>> Join us.
>>>>
>>>> http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/2011/09/08/we%E2%80%99re-hiring-code-in-the-public-interest-make-your-mother-proud/
>>>>
>>>> b
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Cheers,
T

From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Oct 17 01:28:32 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:28:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] German video help
In-Reply-To: <CAPYFjVt8fLy04cMaBU_ssQSc0DSC=DZTBpFZJxKPVeb6kqZLWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmzSShHz9oTAeu_E7EA_Uxib2mR_ToSBkmeJMp+qFQiFcnTXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPYFjVt8fLy04cMaBU_ssQSc0DSC=DZTBpFZJxKPVeb6kqZLWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSgyaQJaN9quDcBvn8BHg+P+oX_neZoeUiTO6eCJS7Ugow@mail.gmail.com>

woa... here comes lots of text...  don't let it overwhelm you, it will
probably take longer to read this than actually do it.

http://veyepar.nextdayvideo.com:8080/main/C/pyconde/S/pyconde2011/s/3/E/6/

Look at the video above the "Save" button.

Make sure it is there.  I have had some problems with file names such
that the .ogv file isn't named what the rest of the system expects,
and so basically gets lost.  I clicked though the 13 that are
currently up for review, all are there, so good.

The title should be something like:
"PyHasse", eine Toolbox f?r Ranking-Probleme
Check for errors that might be caused by unicode chars getting mis-encoded.
(I just checked this one, and it matches the presenter's opening
slide, so it is good.  Not all are that easy.)

Hit the "Play" button (over over the video, it will appear in the
lower left corner)

Make sure something plays.  (will work in firefox 3+, some others, not IE.)

Make sure it starts with a title screen, and then there is a talk with
both audio and video.
If inkscape failed, it will start with a big black/whte INVALID and
fade into the talk.  if the title is ok but the video of the talk got
lost it will fade into INVALID.   audio should exist: you hear people
talking at a reasonable level.   If you have headphones, make sure
there is audio in both left and right channels  (I get a mono feed
from the sound system, but the system kinda imposes 2 channel audio,
and it doesn't always get setup right resulting in almost complete
silence.)

Check that it starts at a reasonable start.  If it is obvious that
something got cut off, or that there is an annoying amount of cruft
before the talk actually starts,  it should be fixed.

Make sure what is being talked about sounds like the title of the talk
and not some other talk.   If the presenter is identified, make sure
that matches the name.  3 of the talks got replaced, there is a chance
that some of them still have the original talk title/presenter name.
And there is the chance some presenter starts with "I was going to
talk about foo, but I changed my mind, so I am going to talk about
Bar."

Skip to the end, make sure it is the end of the same talk and that it
doesn't cut off in the middle of a sentence.

If there is a problem, put a note in the comments field, change the
state to Broked.  otherwise change the state to "Post".   Hit Save, go
back to the list and do the next one.   (make sure you are logged in,
otherwise you can enter but your data gets discarded, not very user
friendly)



On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Noel Taylor <noeltaylo at gmail.com> wrote:
> I speak German, but don't understand what I'm looking at when I follow the
> link.
>
> Are you looking for confirmation for all of these talks?? Also, clicking on
> any of these links take me to a screen with lots of other links and a form
> that seems to be related to a?video, but if there's an actual?video in there
> somewhere, it's not clear to me where it is or how to watch it.
>
> If you can help clarify, I can answer the German questions for you.
>
> Noel Taylor
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I need some help reviewing from someone who understands German, unlike
>> me. ?Make sure that the title screen is the title of the talk that the
>> video is, ?the unicode chars got rendered correctly, then skip to the
>> end and make sure that looks like the actual end. ? generally takes me
>> about a minute. ? The list is here:
>>
>> http://veyepar.nextdayvideo.com:8080/main/C/pyconde/S/pyconde2011/s/3/
>>
>> If you are interested, you can review and email me what you find. ?Or
>> if you are going to do it later let me know and I'll give you a login
>> so you can flip the state from 'review' to 'post' ?which will help
>> keep someone else from reviewing the same one.
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Oct 17 03:20:00 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:20:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Code in the public interest, make your mother proud
In-Reply-To: <9DEC140A-62C1-4E2D-B048-F4E2BD4F7B0B@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <CAM66ckLuqpaRypYSH7cA-6UwUkvD5Ubx0rVEEohNUrNWDJJ2CA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9DEC140A-62C1-4E2D-B048-F4E2BD4F7B0B@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_ravd85P_udvc_2Tb3CxLYJT0wdN5h5HSrWVgvOt5wvO1Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> Where is this data? I cannot find it at the link provided.

I didn't find it there either. I searched. maybe this?

https://research.cps.k12.il.us/cps/accountweb/Reports/download.html
https://research.cps.k12.il.us/cps/accountweb/Requests

I haven't downloaded anything yet to see what would have 9500 columns.

-- 
sheila

From david at graniteweb.com  Mon Oct 17 22:02:24 2011
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:02:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
In-Reply-To: <20111016022505.GB15569@furrr.two14.net>
References: <CAB32_MNdGHBrLSAoFTfrVS+TLWFfWnesZCsY68XvjzDPRtS_Qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zn1JuRWp_Py+2nnw55bXx1wzLL7pwJFctE0dysz4SLUGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E99EB7F.7020307@des.truct.org>
	<2EE5FAEA-0BDD-474A-B7FD-A698FAD05A07@gmail.com>
	<20111016022505.GB15569@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <20111017200224.GF7038@wdfs.graniteweb.com>

* Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> [2011-10-15 21:25]:
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 04:06:02PM -0500, Joshua Herman wrote:
> > On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Eric Stein wrote:
> > > P.S. Does the lack of increment and decrement operators in Python bug
> > > anyone else?
> 
> > Yea, it annoys me too...
> 
> My knee-jerk was "yeah, me too", but then I stopped and tried to
> remember the last time I wanted to use any of them in Python code, and
> I couldn't.  All the examples I came up with seemed to me to be
> unpythonic - writing a loop that should be for range(something) the
> hard way or some such.  I dimly recall doing stuff like that a decade
> ago when I first started dabbling in Python, coming from a largely C
> background.  Now, well, as I say, I can think of places they could be
> used, but I get those loops by downcoding into C-in-Python.  -1.

I don't find it particularly annoying, much for similar reasons.  In the
grand scheme of things, I don't think the language is crippled without
it.

On another related discussion, though; what about the difference between
pre or post fix usage(eg, --var vs var--)?  I expect most of us have
dealt with this before, but I rarely recall seeing prefix usage.  My
experience had primarily been postfix use.  Would your views on missing
it change in this case, or not?  For me, I still don't miss it.

-- 
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 23:23:58 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:23:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
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Prefix usage is better to use because postfix uses requires you to
create a copy of the variable while prefix usage is much faster and
doesn't require the copy I believe.


---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:02 PM, David Rock <david at graniteweb.com> wrote:
> * Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> [2011-10-15 21:25]:
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 04:06:02PM -0500, Joshua Herman wrote:
>> > On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Eric Stein wrote:
>> > > P.S. Does the lack of increment and decrement operators in Python bug
>> > > anyone else?
>>
>> > Yea, it annoys me too...
>>
>> My knee-jerk was "yeah, me too", but then I stopped and tried to
>> remember the last time I wanted to use any of them in Python code, and
>> I couldn't. ?All the examples I came up with seemed to me to be
>> unpythonic - writing a loop that should be for range(something) the
>> hard way or some such. ?I dimly recall doing stuff like that a decade
>> ago when I first started dabbling in Python, coming from a largely C
>> background. ?Now, well, as I say, I can think of places they could be
>> used, but I get those loops by downcoding into C-in-Python. ?-1.
>
> I don't find it particularly annoying, much for similar reasons. ?In the
> grand scheme of things, I don't think the language is crippled without
> it.
>
> On another related discussion, though; what about the difference between
> pre or post fix usage(eg, --var vs var--)? ?I expect most of us have
> dealt with this before, but I rarely recall seeing prefix usage. ?My
> experience had primarily been postfix use. ?Would your views on missing
> it change in this case, or not? ?For me, I still don't miss it.
>
> --
> David Rock
> david at graniteweb.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From tim.saylor at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 23:43:30 2011
From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:43:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
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If your algorithm requires a faster increment operator you're probably doing
it wrong.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> Prefix usage is better to use because postfix uses requires you to
> create a copy of the variable while prefix usage is much faster and
> doesn't require the copy I believe.
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:02 PM, David Rock <david at graniteweb.com> wrote:
> > * Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> [2011-10-15 21:25]:
> >> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 04:06:02PM -0500, Joshua Herman wrote:
> >> > On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Eric Stein wrote:
> >> > > P.S. Does the lack of increment and decrement operators in Python
> bug
> >> > > anyone else?
> >>
> >> > Yea, it annoys me too...
> >>
> >> My knee-jerk was "yeah, me too", but then I stopped and tried to
> >> remember the last time I wanted to use any of them in Python code, and
> >> I couldn't.  All the examples I came up with seemed to me to be
> >> unpythonic - writing a loop that should be for range(something) the
> >> hard way or some such.  I dimly recall doing stuff like that a decade
> >> ago when I first started dabbling in Python, coming from a largely C
> >> background.  Now, well, as I say, I can think of places they could be
> >> used, but I get those loops by downcoding into C-in-Python.  -1.
> >
> > I don't find it particularly annoying, much for similar reasons.  In the
> > grand scheme of things, I don't think the language is crippled without
> > it.
> >
> > On another related discussion, though; what about the difference between
> > pre or post fix usage(eg, --var vs var--)?  I expect most of us have
> > dealt with this before, but I rarely recall seeing prefix usage.  My
> > experience had primarily been postfix use.  Would your views on missing
> > it change in this case, or not?  For me, I still don't miss it.
> >
> > --
> > David Rock
> > david at graniteweb.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
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From vceder at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 23:53:48 2011
From: vceder at gmail.com (Vern Ceder)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:53:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
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On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Tim Saylor <tim.saylor at gmail.com> wrote:

> If your algorithm requires a faster increment operator you're probably
> doing it wrong.


+1


>
> --
Vern Ceder
vceder at gmail.com, vceder at dogsinmotion.com
The Quick Python Book, 2nd Ed - http://bit.ly/bRsWDW
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 00:20:53 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:20:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
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On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Vern Ceder <vceder at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Tim Saylor <tim.saylor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If your algorithm requires a faster increment operator you're probably
>> doing it wrong.
>
> +1

didn't you mean ++.

At first, I disliked this seemingly missing operator. However, I can
see where it leads to mistakes like in C. For example, an extra ++ can
cause some problems for sure. For Python, I am not sure what it means
to have unary operator that should act on pretty static things like
integers and in place. Besides,

| >>> len("i+=1") == len("i ++")
True



-- 

Brian Ray

From clydeforrester at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 00:33:33 2011
From: clydeforrester at gmail.com (Clyde Forrester)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:33:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
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References: <CAB32_MNdGHBrLSAoFTfrVS+TLWFfWnesZCsY68XvjzDPRtS_Qw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAB3V1zn1JuRWp_Py+2nnw55bXx1wzLL7pwJFctE0dysz4SLUGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<4E99EB7F.7020307@des.truct.org>	<2EE5FAEA-0BDD-474A-B7FD-A698FAD05A07@gmail.com>	<20111016022505.GB15569@furrr.two14.net>	<20111017200224.GF7038@wdfs.graniteweb.com>	<CAB3V1znyFhMktYcYamXGYufz96+uCWXigYpzQ65vr04mm0GCHg@mail.gmail.com>
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The DEC PDP line of computers had pre- and post-, increment and 
decrement built in to their op codes. Pretty slick.

The availability of this support is pretty much irrelevant to a high 
level, cross-platform language like Python.

If much higher performance or performance fine tuning is needed, custom 
hardware could be used, as well as customized libraries written in a 
lower level language like C, where those operators would be available, 
and relevant.

c4

Tim Saylor wrote:
> If your algorithm requires a faster increment operator you're probably 
> doing it wrong.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com 
> <mailto:zitterbewegung at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Prefix usage is better to use because postfix uses requires you to
>     create a copy of the variable while prefix usage is much faster and
>     doesn't require the copy I believe.
> 
> 
>     ---Profile:---
>     http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:02 PM, David Rock <david at graniteweb.com
>     <mailto:david at graniteweb.com>> wrote:
>      > * Martin Maney <maney at two14.net <mailto:maney at two14.net>>
>     [2011-10-15 21:25]:
>      >> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 04:06:02PM -0500, Joshua Herman wrote:
>      >> > On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Eric Stein wrote:
>      >> > > P.S. Does the lack of increment and decrement operators in
>     Python bug
>      >> > > anyone else?
>      >>
>      >> > Yea, it annoys me too...

From maney at two14.net  Fri Oct 21 05:00:14 2011
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
In-Reply-To: <4E9CAD3D.9020905@gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 05:33:33PM -0500, Clyde Forrester wrote:
> The DEC PDP line of computers had pre- and post-, increment and
> decrement built in to their op codes. Pretty slick.

As have many subsequent processors.  It's mostly an addressing hack for
stepping through contiguous memory, like when doing strcpy without a
builtin looping op.

> The availability of this support is pretty much irrelevant to a high
> level, cross-platform language like Python.

Totally.  If you're coming from a C-like language, feeling the lack of
++ is at most a symptom of the deeper need to stop thinking about
things one byte at a time!  <wink... but srsly, too, been there>

-- 
Obscurity is a far great threat to authors and creative artists
than piracy.  -- Tim O'Reilly


From skip at pobox.com  Fri Oct 21 16:52:06 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:52:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Chipy network
In-Reply-To: <20111021030014.GA2781@furrr.two14.net>
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    >> The availability of this support is pretty much irrelevant to a high
    >> level, cross-platform language like Python.

    Martin> Totally.  If you're coming from a C-like language, feeling the
    Martin> lack of ++ is at most a symptom of the deeper need to stop
    Martin> thinking about things one byte at a time!  <wink... but srsly,
    Martin> too, been there>

Sorry, I haven't been following this thread based on its subject (nudge,
nudge, wink, wink), but eventually stumbled on a couple messages.

I believe Guido decided to leave increment and decrement operators out of
Python largely because their behavior is confusing enough in the C world.
In a complex expression where one variable is referenced multiple times,
sometimes with an increment or decrement operator, sometimes without, it's
not immediately obvious when that modification will take place w.r.t. to all
the variable references in the expression.

Later on, when discussing what eventually became the augmented assignment
operators (+=, //=, etc) I think syntactic considerations may have also been
a consideration lobbying against the addition of ++ or -- operators.  In any
case, something like

    i += 1

avoids the semantic confusion of increment/decrement operators and is as
efficient at runtime (one load and one store of the variable).

Skip

From cloudcampdave at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 17:22:49 2011
From: cloudcampdave at gmail.com (Dave Nielsen)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:22:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Inviting PyChi to CloudCamp Chicago November 1
Message-ID: <CAPfG8HLr8YYL18cYsu2bbhxpsHzjEO63cWTGx_n=DQuhon9C-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi PyChi,

We're organizing CloudCamp Chicago Tuesday evening, November 1 5:30 to 9:00
at  Gibson?s Steakhouse 5464 N. River Road, Rosemont, IL 60018. I thought
some Python people might want to participate in this free event.

www.cloudcamp.org/chicago

Cloudcamp is being held in conjunction with IBM Cloud Forum scheduled from 2
to 5 pm.

CloudCamp is a fun, free way to learn more about Cloud Computing from your
peers in Chicagoland. it is structured as an unconference without vendor
bias. End users, IT professionals and vendors are all encouraged to share
experiences, challenges and solutions. There will be lots of networking,
food and discussion.

Does anyone have any experience with Python and Cloud Computing
together (Heroku or PiCloud?) that you could share? We have some lightning
talks scheduled but there is room for more. There are also opportunities to
share and discuss during the unconference breakout sessions. Anyone
interested in presenting a five-minute lightning talk please contact me.

For more information, refer to http://www.cloudcamp.org/chicago or contact
me.

Cheers,
Dave

Dave Nielsen
Co-founder, CloudCamp
twitter: http://twitter.com/davenielsen
gtalk: dnielsen; skype: davenielsen
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From cloudcampdave at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 19:04:24 2011
From: cloudcampdave at gmail.com (Dave Nielsen)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:04:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Inviting ChiPy to CloudCamp Chicago November 1
Message-ID: <CAPfG8HLf90XB7ZjCVL5fyJH_4LdVO85xeTzk5QLTp-mDk0EZ8g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ChiPy,

We're organizing CloudCamp Chicago Tuesday evening, November 1 5:30 to 9:00
at  Gibson?s Steakhouse 5464 N. River Road, Rosemont, IL 60018. I thought
some Python people might want to participate in this free event.

www.cloudcamp.org/chicago

Cloudcamp is being held in conjunction with IBM Cloud Forum scheduled from 2
to 5 pm.

CloudCamp is a fun, free way to learn more about Cloud Computing from your
peers in Chicagoland. it is structured as an unconference without vendor
bias. End users, IT professionals and vendors are all encouraged to share
experiences, challenges and solutions. There will be lots of networking,
food and discussion.

Does anyone have any experience with Python and Cloud Computing
together (Heroku or PiCloud?) that you could share? We have some lightning
talks scheduled but there is room for more. There are also opportunities to
share and discuss during the unconference breakout sessions. Anyone
interested in presenting a five-minute lightning talk please contact me.

For more information, refer to http://www.cloudcamp.org/chicago or contact
me.

Cheers,
Dave

Dave Nielsen
Co-founder, CloudCamp
twitter: http://twitter.com/davenielsen
gtalk: dnielsen; skype: davenielsen
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 05:04:11 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:04:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Become Famous...
Message-ID: <CANKg38t3BBR_cR5A5QQw9V4uf6xLd84guug_Jw2qtrbukChjGw@mail.gmail.com>

At least for 15 minutes...

Who wants to Host, Talk, Participate in November ChiPy!

This will be the best one ever......

-- 

Brian Ray

From brentodd at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 05:42:33 2011
From: brentodd at gmail.com (Brennan Todd)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:42:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Pythonistas group at Fitocracy
Message-ID: <CAML5DzJK4Ma76GE1DmzFeaOFLwMb3xvD2adc2VVEU8tnVx1fgw@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone is interested in joining Fitocracy, here's an invite link for the
Pythonistas group over there:

http://ftcy.co/vr2MUH

The group is small - just 6 members so far.
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 15:47:02 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:47:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Pythonistas group at Fitocracy
In-Reply-To: <CAML5DzJK4Ma76GE1DmzFeaOFLwMb3xvD2adc2VVEU8tnVx1fgw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Brennan Todd <brentodd at gmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone is interested in joining Fitocracy, here's an invite link for the
> Pythonistas group over there:
> http://ftcy.co/vr2MUH
> The group is small - just 6 members so far.


Thanks, I have always thought we should do a ChiPy swimsuit calendar
and sell it for profit.

Perhaps now we can do a before and after.

-- 

Brian Ray

From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 18:42:02 2011
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:42:02 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Pythonistas group at Fitocracy
In-Reply-To: <CAML5DzJK4Ma76GE1DmzFeaOFLwMb3xvD2adc2VVEU8tnVx1fgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAML5DzJK4Ma76GE1DmzFeaOFLwMb3xvD2adc2VVEU8tnVx1fgw@mail.gmail.com>
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I checked the website but in signing in through Facebook it said it
wanted to occasionally post stuff to FB *as me*. Um.... didn't fit my
plans, don't even know these people.

Kirby


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Brennan Todd <brentodd at gmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone is interested in joining Fitocracy, here's an invite link for the
> Pythonistas group over there:
> http://ftcy.co/vr2MUH
> The group is small - just 6 members so far.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From lifestyleignition at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 19:00:47 2011
From: lifestyleignition at gmail.com (Mark Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:00:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Pythonistas group at Fitocracy
In-Reply-To: <CAPJgG3T3W49eBFtQJP3L=dktuOC=RczR7wvoYKE+vo+VpzZNJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAML5DzJK4Ma76GE1DmzFeaOFLwMb3xvD2adc2VVEU8tnVx1fgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPJgG3T3W49eBFtQJP3L=dktuOC=RczR7wvoYKE+vo+VpzZNJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANbRTpa0m-UVrWDqCxSOSS=Z-78H8JneiW=J1rMi-NTdVE5GUg@mail.gmail.com>

I agree.  I don't like that post stuff to FB either.  I've "bounced" from
numerous sites with FB login because they ask too much.  One time where I
clicked don't allow (all the FB permissions) it actually let me uncheck the
ones I was "wary" of.  It was Gtrot I think.  I wish more sites did that
(or didn't ask for so much in the first place!)

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:42 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

> I checked the website but in signing in through Facebook it said it
> wanted to occasionally post stuff to FB *as me*. Um.... didn't fit my
> plans, don't even know these people.
>
> Kirby
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Brennan Todd <brentodd at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If anyone is interested in joining Fitocracy, here's an invite link for
> the
> > Pythonistas group over there:
> > http://ftcy.co/vr2MUH
> > The group is small - just 6 members so far.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Mark Lawrence
http://www.lifestyleignition.com
Co-Founder SpotHero Inc.
http://spothero.com
On LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-lawrence/1b/761/628>
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From dan at streemit.net  Sun Oct 30 01:46:46 2011
From: dan at streemit.net (Daniel M)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:46:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Become Famous...
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38t3BBR_cR5A5QQw9V4uf6xLd84guug_Jw2qtrbukChjGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38t3BBR_cR5A5QQw9V4uf6xLd84guug_Jw2qtrbukChjGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EAC9066.7080509@streemit.net>

On 10/28/2011 10:04 PM, Brian Ray wrote:
> At least for 15 minutes...
>
> Who wants to Host, Talk, Participate in November ChiPy!
>
> This will be the best one ever......
>
If anyone would be interested I could spend a few minutes talking about 
analyzing Flash video files using Python tools.

Dan Mahoney
dan at streemit.net

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Sun Oct 30 02:27:06 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:27:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Pythonistas group at Fitocracy
In-Reply-To: <CANbRTpa0m-UVrWDqCxSOSS=Z-78H8JneiW=J1rMi-NTdVE5GUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAML5DzJK4Ma76GE1DmzFeaOFLwMb3xvD2adc2VVEU8tnVx1fgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPJgG3T3W49eBFtQJP3L=dktuOC=RczR7wvoYKE+vo+VpzZNJg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANbRTpa0m-UVrWDqCxSOSS=Z-78H8JneiW=J1rMi-NTdVE5GUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01woRXnmnA60Wcx5UzuNiHmkFk6K667Z7ZRT-w3gcxps1sQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'll post pics on the list. Wait I'll get my DSLR.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Mark Lawrence <lifestyleignition at gmail.com
> wrote:

> I agree.  I don't like that post stuff to FB either.  I've "bounced" from
> numerous sites with FB login because they ask too much.  One time where I
> clicked don't allow (all the FB permissions) it actually let me uncheck the
> ones I was "wary" of.  It was Gtrot I think.  I wish more sites did that
> (or didn't ask for so much in the first place!)
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:42 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I checked the website but in signing in through Facebook it said it
>> wanted to occasionally post stuff to FB *as me*. Um.... didn't fit my
>> plans, don't even know these people.
>>
>> Kirby
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Brennan Todd <brentodd at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > If anyone is interested in joining Fitocracy, here's an invite link for
>> the
>> > Pythonistas group over there:
>> > http://ftcy.co/vr2MUH
>> > The group is small - just 6 members so far.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Lawrence
> http://www.lifestyleignition.com
> Co-Founder SpotHero Inc.
> http://spothero.com
> On LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-lawrence/1b/761/628>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From benderbending at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 19:34:03 2011
From: benderbending at gmail.com (Brian Boyer)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:34:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Code in the public interest, make your mother proud
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_ravd85P_udvc_2Tb3CxLYJT0wdN5h5HSrWVgvOt5wvO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<9DEC140A-62C1-4E2D-B048-F4E2BD4F7B0B@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAHCs_ravd85P_udvc_2Tb3CxLYJT0wdN5h5HSrWVgvOt5wvO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM66ck+QsZ7JPFNjF=UKKVWqTr9O5EedK4f0UNhFzLRGLZcBmg@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the confusion, and the late reply.

The data was just publicly released today:
http://www.isbe.state.il.us/assessment/report_card.htm

We got it on embargo a month ago.

In case anybody's interested, here's what we built:
http://schools.chicagotribune.com/

b

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 8:20 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>> Where is this data? I cannot find it at the link provided.
>
> I didn't find it there either. I searched. maybe this?
>
> https://research.cps.k12.il.us/cps/accountweb/Reports/download.html
> https://research.cps.k12.il.us/cps/accountweb/Requests
>
> I haven't downloaded anything yet to see what would have 9500 columns.
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 20:14:28 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:14:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Code in the public interest, make your mother proud
In-Reply-To: <CAM66ck+QsZ7JPFNjF=UKKVWqTr9O5EedK4f0UNhFzLRGLZcBmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM66ckLuqpaRypYSH7cA-6UwUkvD5Ubx0rVEEohNUrNWDJJ2CA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9DEC140A-62C1-4E2D-B048-F4E2BD4F7B0B@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAHCs_ravd85P_udvc_2Tb3CxLYJT0wdN5h5HSrWVgvOt5wvO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAM66ck+QsZ7JPFNjF=UKKVWqTr9O5EedK4f0UNhFzLRGLZcBmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+VOWAEOsC6iNmHiHCA4nhXonM-V42Crr-PaUqPm2eXH+1_pFg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Brian Boyer <benderbending at gmail.com>wrote:

> In case anybody's interested, here's what we built:
> http://schools.chicagotribune.com/
>

Now I want to cry :(
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From asif.jamadar at rezayat.net  Thu Oct 20 20:55:14 2011
From: asif.jamadar at rezayat.net (Asif Jamadar)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:55:14 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Generate Dynamic lists
Message-ID: <CC0CC2862BF94D41A65DC4511A12B493290A3727@weaver.REZAYAT.NET>

So I'm trying to generate dynamic choices for  django form. Here i'm usig formset concept (CODE is mentioned below)



Suppose i have list called criteria_list = ['education', 'know how', 'managerial', 'interpersonal', ]



now i need to generate choices as follows



list1 = [('education', 1), ('education', 2), ('education', 3), (''education' , 4) , ('know how', 1) ('know ho', 2), ('know ho', 3), ('know ho', 4)]



list2 = [('education', 1), ('education', 2), ('education', 3), (''education' , 4) , ('managerial', 1) ('managerial', 2), ('managerial', 3), ('managerial', 4)]



list3 = [('education', 1), ('education', 2), ('education', 3), (''education' , 4) , ('interpersonal', 1) ('interpersonal', 2), ('interpersonal', 3), ('interpersonal', 4)]



list4 = [('know how', 1), ('know how', 2), ('know how ', 3), ('know how' , 4) , ('managerial', 1) ('managerial', 2), ('managerial', 3), ('managerial', 4)]



list5 = [('know how', 1), ('know how', 2), ('know how ', 3), ('know how' , 4) , ('interpersonal', 1) ('interpersonal', 2), ('interpersonal', 3), ('interpersonal', 4)]



list6= [('managerial', 1), ('managerial', 2), ('managerial ', 3), ('managerial' , 4) , ('interpersonal', 1) ('interpersonal', 2), ('interpersonal', 3), ('interpersonal', 4)]





How can i achive this in python?



The above all eachh list become the  choices for each form.



Suppose i have formset of 6 forms. Then how can i assign above dynamic generates list to the choice field of each form.



I tried by using this following code but no luck





view.py



def evaluation(request):



    evaluation_formset = formset_factory(EvaluationForm, formset=BaseEvaluationFormset, extra=6)



    if request.POST:



        formset = evaluation_formset(request.POST)



        ##validation and save



    else:



        formset = evaluation_formset()



    render_to_response(formset)



forms.py





class EvaluationForm(forms.Form):



    value = forms.ChoiceField(widget=forms.RadioSelect(renderer=HorizontalRadioRenderer))



class BaseEvaluationFormSet(BaseFormSet):

    def __init__(self, *args, **kwargs):

        super(BaseEvaluationFormSet, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs)

        for form_index, form in enumerate(self.forms):



            form.fields["value"].choices = self.choice_method(form_index)

    def choice_method(self, form_index):

        list = []

        item_list = []

        criteria_list = []

        criteria_length = len(sub_criterias)-1

        for criteria_index in range(criteria_length):

            counter = 1

            if criteria_index == form_index:

                for j in range(criteria_length-counter):
                    x = 1
                    for i in range(6):
                 criteria_list.append((sub_criterias[criteria_index], sub_criterias[criteria_index]))

                        item_list.append((sub_criterias[criteria_index+ 1], sub_criterias[criteria_index+1]))

                        list =  criteria_list +item_list

                        counter = counter + 1
                        if x != criteria_length:

                            x = x + 1



            return list
















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From jason at getshortlist.com  Tue Oct 11 08:15:32 2011
From: jason at getshortlist.com (Jason Goodrich)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 06:15:32 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] Excelerate companies hiring
In-Reply-To: <CAAykNzT-jP8b=8pa0zKUa08shfs-cbEo1AA54WRmgBBeTKCdjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAykNzT-jP8b=8pa0zKUa08shfs-cbEo1AA54WRmgBBeTKCdjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAykNzRXxUMqbZfvOT24safz4p8Mq0n5ZJc6K1_9H5bX2rTN+A@mail.gmail.com>

Pythonistas,

Good news: Several Excelerate Labs companies are ramping up development.

Better news: At least three of us need additional Python/Django developers.

If you've been wanting to join a rocket ship startup, the following
companies are now boarding:

Power2Switch ? Priceline for electricity

Shortlist ? OKCupid for professional events (my company)

Food Genius ? Next Big Sound for food

If one of these grab you, just ping me: jason at getshortlist.com.

Best,
Jason
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From joegermuska at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 20:46:54 2011
From: joegermuska at gmail.com (Joe Germuska)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:46:54 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] Code in the public interest, make your mother proud
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_ravd85P_udvc_2Tb3CxLYJT0wdN5h5HSrWVgvOt5wvO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM66ckLuqpaRypYSH7cA-6UwUkvD5Ubx0rVEEohNUrNWDJJ2CA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9DEC140A-62C1-4E2D-B048-F4E2BD4F7B0B@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAHCs_ravd85P_udvc_2Tb3CxLYJT0wdN5h5HSrWVgvOt5wvO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F8F26D2C-C2EE-4FDC-95E3-F9F57D315C9B@gmail.com>

The Illinois State Board of Ed releases a "school report card" data set every year. See http://www.isbe.net/research/htmls/report_card.htm you can see what we did with that data last year at http://schools.chicagotribune.com

This year's data, which is under embargo until 10/31, has over 9500 columns, mostly because most of the statistics which are broken down by race have a new racial category, "native Hawaiian." 

If you're interested in processing any of the data which is not under embargo, you may find helpful csvkit https://github.com/onyxfish/csvkit and the schemas at https://github.com/onyxfish/ffs/tree/master/illinois/board_of_ed

Hope that's helpful.

Joe

-- 
Joe Germuska
Joe at Germuska.com * http://blog.germuska.com * http://twitter.com/JoeGermuska    

"Science's job is to map our ignorance." --David Byrne


On Oct 16, 2011, at 9:20 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>> Where is this data? I cannot find it at the link provided.
> 
> I didn't find it there either. I searched. maybe this?
> 
> https://research.cps.k12.il.us/cps/accountweb/Reports/download.html
> https://research.cps.k12.il.us/cps/accountweb/Requests
> 
> I haven't downloaded anything yet to see what would have 9500 columns.
> 
> -- 
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From dtarwood at etacuisenaire.com  Mon Oct 17 20:47:17 2011
From: dtarwood at etacuisenaire.com (Dennis Tarwood)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:47:17 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] ETA/Cuisenaire - Seeking Python developer for short-term
	project
Message-ID: <9D59C959E836954BA0075F9DC966E9D5834F83@faramir.learningresources.com>

ETA/Cuisenaire, a supplemental educational publisher in Vernon Hills,
needs a Python developer to work off-site for 1-2 months starting at the
end of October. Our preference is a freelancer available during the day,
but we'll certainly listen to skilled developers who can make time most
nights and weekends for November and early December. 

 

You should be fluent in Python and Google App Engine. Experience with
Java/JSP and user management systems is a big help, too. You'll work
with the original developer of the system here in Vernon Hills to
upgrade its capabilities as well as complete an API integration effort
with off-shore developers. We're looking for someone local to help us
because we expect we'll need to make occasional updates and would like
someone to be our system's local expert. We're not a software
development shop, so we're hoping to develop a long-term relationship.

 

If you're interested, please email me at dtarwood at etacuisenaire.com.
Please include samples of your code and your rate. Direct applicants
only, please; we already know many fine recruiters. Thanks for your
help!

 

Dennis Tarwood

Product Development Manager for Technology

ETA/Cuisenaire

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From gghoshal at brillstreet.com  Thu Oct 27 18:27:54 2011
From: gghoshal at brillstreet.com (Gayatri Ghoshal)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:27:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Exciting Job opportunity--Python Developer(Full time) -
	Chicago, IL
Message-ID: <02f501cc94c5$62337770$269a6650$@com>

Hello,

 

Hope you are doing good.

 

I am a Talent Manager with Brill Street  + Company that is headquartered in
downtown Chicago.

 

About Brill Street: 

Brill Street was created to meet the need for a more dynamic talent
development partner, an active player able to make the process both
refreshingly simple and significantly more rewarding for all participants by
cultivating a pool of smart, motivated and emerging professionals. Brill
Streeters establish an early, enriching dialogue between the world of
business and America's emerging workforce. 

This is regarding a Python Developer position with my client here in
Chicago. Kindly share a copy of your updated resume and a short biography if
you would be interested. 

Here is the job description for your review:

Python Developer, Chicago, IL

Fulltime

This position is with a maturing digital marketing industry that works with
media, technology providers, and data providers to improve clients
performance from digital media

The Software Engineer plays a vital role in helping to build technologies
and applications;  this person will work with other teams to define, design,
and develop solutions.

 

Required Skills and Experience:

.   Excellent programming skills (Python)

.   Working experience with UNIX/Linux

.   Proficiency in SQL and relational databases

.   Strong problem solving skills

.   Experience with web application frameworks (esp. Django)

.   Team player

 

Desirable Skills / Characteristics

.   Familiarity with Cloud, Cluster and Grid computing (Hadoop, Hive, Pig)

.   Databases (Relational and NoSQLs)

.   Data Visualization

.   Adept at learning and applying new technologies

.   Good project management skills

.   Linux system management

.   Entrepreneurial spirit and comfortable with working in a demanding
start-up environment

 

Education/Experience:

Qualified candidates should possess a degree in a computer science and 2-5
years of development experience with Python.

 

Look forward to a mutually rewarding association!

 

Regards,
Gayatri Ghoshal 

Talent Manager| Brill Street + Company | T:312.646.1139 |
<mailto:gghoshal at brillstreet.com> gghoshal at brillstreet.com|
<http://www.brillstreet.com/> www.brillstreet.com 

 

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