From pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com Tue Jan 3 14:58:02 2012 From: pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com (Paul Wallenberg) Date: 3 Jan 2012 08:58:02 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] jan venue Message-ID: <1583712855.1325599082579.JavaMail.cfservice@SL5APP2> Good morning, LaSalle Network would be more than happy to host the event here in our downtown office at Lake & LaSalle. There is a large conference room on our 18th floor and we have access to it. I would just need to know what would be needed for preparation and how many people typically come to each event. Please if someone who has hosted in the past or set up an event please contact me today at 312-924-3683. Thanks, Paul Wallenberg Project Manager - Technology Services P) 312-419-1700 F) 312-419-1715 pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com lasallenetwork.com pastfive.typepad.com twitter.com/LaSalleNetwork The LaSalle Network Chicago - Oak Brook - Arlington Heights 200 N LaSalle Street, Suite 2400 Chicago, IL 60601 The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. THE LASALLE NETWORK. -----Original Message----- From:Carl Karsten carl at personnelware.com To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" ; Sent: Dec 30, 2011 07:07:00 PM Subject: [Chicago] jan venue ITA has the room reserved, but some other event wants to use the room in Jan. Anyone object to giving up the room? And on that subject: where can we meet? -- Carl K _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Tue Jan 3 16:35:34 2012 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:35:34 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan venue In-Reply-To: <1583712855.1325599082579.JavaMail.cfservice@SL5APP2> References: <1583712855.1325599082579.JavaMail.cfservice@SL5APP2> Message-ID: projector, screen, 30+ chairs, maybe a PA system, something for the presenter to set their laptop on (podium, table, upside down garbage can.) On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Paul Wallenberg wrote: > Good morning, > > LaSalle Network would be more than happy to host the event here in our > downtown office at Lake & LaSalle.? There is a large conference room on our > 18th floor and we have access to it.? I would just need to know what would > be needed for preparation and how many people typically come to each event. > > Please if someone who has hosted in the past or set up an event please > contact me today at 312-924-3683. > > Thanks, > > > Paul Wallenberg > Project?Manager - Technology Services > P) 312-419-1700 > F) 312-419-1715 > > pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com > > lasallenetwork.com > pastfive.typepad.com > > twitter.com/LaSalleNetwork > > > > The LaSalle Network > > Chicago - Oak Brook - Arlington Heights > 200 N LaSalle Street, Suite 2400 > > Chicago, IL 60601 > > The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential > and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the > intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify > us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your > computer. Thank you. THE LASALLE NETWORK. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From:Carl Karsten carl at personnelware.com > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" ; > Sent: Dec 30, 2011 07:07:00 PM > Subject: [Chicago] jan venue > > ITA has the room reserved, but some other event wants to use the room > in Jan. Anyone object to giving up the room? > > And on that subject: where can we meet? > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K From jp at zavteq.com Tue Jan 3 16:39:57 2012 From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:39:57 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan venue In-Reply-To: References: <1583712855.1325599082579.JavaMail.cfservice@SL5APP2> Message-ID: Plz make sure the garbage can is emptied before turning it upside down... On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > projector, screen, ?30+ chairs, maybe a PA system, something for the > presenter to set their laptop on (podium, table, upside down garbage > can.) > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Paul Wallenberg > wrote: >> Good morning, >> >> LaSalle Network would be more than happy to host the event here in our >> downtown office at Lake & LaSalle.? There is a large conference room on our >> 18th floor and we have access to it.? I would just need to know what would >> be needed for preparation and how many people typically come to each event. >> >> Please if someone who has hosted in the past or set up an event please >> contact me today at 312-924-3683. >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Paul Wallenberg >> Project?Manager - Technology Services >> P) 312-419-1700 >> F) 312-419-1715 >> >> pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com >> >> lasallenetwork.com >> pastfive.typepad.com >> >> twitter.com/LaSalleNetwork >> >> >> >> The LaSalle Network >> >> Chicago - Oak Brook - Arlington Heights >> 200 N LaSalle Street, Suite 2400 >> >> Chicago, IL 60601 >> >> The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential >> and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the >> intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this >> message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly >> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify >> us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your >> computer. Thank you. THE LASALLE NETWORK. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From:Carl Karsten carl at personnelware.com >> To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" ; >> Sent: Dec 30, 2011 07:07:00 PM >> Subject: [Chicago] jan venue >> >> ITA has the room reserved, but some other event wants to use the room >> in Jan. Anyone object to giving up the room? >> >> And on that subject: where can we meet? >> >> -- >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- JP Bader Principal Zavteq, Inc. @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com 608.692.2468 From pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com Tue Jan 3 22:10:45 2012 From: pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com (Paul Wallenberg) Date: 3 Jan 2012 16:10:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] New January Venue (Thursday January 12, 2012 @ 7:00 PM) Message-ID: <952134471.1325625044974.JavaMail.cfservice@SL5APP4> Good afternoon all, I wanted to write and confirm to you all that LaSalle Network will be hosting the meetup on 1/12/12 beginning at 7:00 PM. We are located at 200 N. LaSalle St. (NW corner of Lake and LaSalle). The conference room on the 17th floor will be utilized for this meeting. When you arrive please indicate to the front desk that you are there for LaSalle Network/ChiPy and they will direct you to the elevators up to the 17th floor. Food and beverages will be provided for the evening. Looking forward to seeing everyone there! Thanks, Paul Wallenberg Project Manager - Technology Services P) 312-419-1700 F) 312-419-1715 pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com lasallenetwork.com pastfive.typepad.com twitter.com/LaSalleNetwork The LaSalle Network Chicago - Oak Brook - Arlington Heights 200 N LaSalle Street, Suite 2400 Chicago, IL 60601 The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. 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I was moved. now to see if we can get topics figured out sooner. maybe next month :) -- Carl K From clydeforrester at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 17:31:37 2012 From: clydeforrester at gmail.com (Clyde Forrester) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:31:37 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F047EE9.10902@gmail.com> Carl Karsten wrote: > meeting is in 8 days - we have a venue, but no talks! > > Who is doing something interesting? > > btw, thanks for the feedback on topic importance. I was moved. now > to see if we can get topics figured out sooner. maybe next month :) > > I recently wrote a program to count the occurrences of "GATACCA" in the human genome. I can do a brief talk on that. I had to solve some interesting problems, and it provides an interesting example of text file reading, compound lists, and some objectish methods. Clyde From zitterbewegung at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 17:53:11 2012 From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:53:11 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: <4F047EE9.10902@gmail.com> References: <4F047EE9.10902@gmail.com> Message-ID: Clyde forgot to mention that since he couldn't load the whole human genome into memory he actually searches through the file on disk. At least when I talked with him I think that is what it does. ---Profile:--- http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Clyde Forrester wrote: >> > I recently wrote a program to count the occurrences of "GATACCA" in the > human genome. I can do a brief talk on that. I had to solve some interesting > problems, and it provides an interesting example of text file reading, > compound lists, and some objectish methods. > > Clyde > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From clydeforrester at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 19:21:46 2012 From: clydeforrester at gmail.com (Clyde Forrester) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:21:46 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: References: <4F047EE9.10902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F0498BA.8010408@gmail.com> "I had to solve some interesting problems..." Not being able to suck a 240MB file into memory, clean it, join it (another 240MB), and make a reverse complement (another 240MB), was one of the problems. So I went the other way and used an algorithm which would act one character at a time, in a single pass, allowing for multiple framings and such. The advantage is that it is very memory efficient. It also wound up being very scalable. As for the file layout: there are 25 text files. I loop through each file, each line, each character, in a single pass. It makes for a good textbook case example. The downside, for now, is that I can't do fuzzy matches the way I would like to. To solve that, I will probably build a machine with 16GB of memory, which will enable me to suck in the largest file at least 3 times over. Sometimes brute force is the path of least resistance. Wake me up when I can afford it. Clyde Joshua Herman wrote: > Clyde forgot to mention that since he couldn't load the whole human > genome into memory he actually searches through the file on disk. At > least when I talked with him I think that is what it does. > ---Profile:--- > http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung > > > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Clyde Forrester > wrote: >> I recently wrote a program to count the occurrences of "GATACCA" in the >> human genome. I can do a brief talk on that. I had to solve some interesting >> problems, and it provides an interesting example of text file reading, >> compound lists, and some objectish methods. >> >> Clyde From brian at python.org Wed Jan 4 20:25:46 2012 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:25:46 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Job Opportunity in Chicago - Trading Technologies Message-ID: If anyone's looking for a new job opportunity in Chicago, my soon-to-be-former employer Trading Technologies is looking for someone to replace me. It has been a great 5.5 years here - I've learned a ton, got to work on cool stuff, and made some good friends - but I'm taking a position elsewhere and want to make sure they get a good new team member. There isn't any formal job posting yet, but rather than wait on that here's a little of what I did which is likely to be in-line with what they're looking for: * Develop testing infrastructure that the quality team can use Part of my job was exposing APIs and building stuff that the testers can use to do their work. This involved a number of things from writing C extensions to wrap the product's C++ APIs to developing frameworks and tools for all types of testing. Right now the main thing has been solidifying the extensions so our quality guy (who's on this list - hi Scott!) can bulk up the regression suite. If I was sticking around, pretty soon I'd be back to working on a multiprocessing-based client simulator to help test the load and performance of thousands of clients on some beefy boxes (8, 16, 32 cores). * Enhance and maintain a historical tick database server The product I worked on records all types of trade information about tons of financial instruments, which is then served to a charting application. It's C++ on Windows, making use of boost and some new C++11 stuff, some multithreading, and Berkeley DB. This side of work has been a lesser percentage of my hybrid role of product developer and automation developer, but it's a fun and interesting spot to be in. So, it's a mix of Python and C++ with both of those technologies being on the leading edge. We've been using Python 3 since mid-2009, and like I mentioned earlier we're making use of the newer C++ features on VS2010 and are deploying to Server 2008. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. If you're interested in the position, send me a resume and I'll get you in the right hands. No recruiters. From tim.saylor at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 21:05:17 2012 From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:05:17 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: <4F0498BA.8010408@gmail.com> References: <4F047EE9.10902@gmail.com> <4F0498BA.8010408@gmail.com> Message-ID: *Amazon EC2 High-Memory Extra Large Instance* 17.1 GB of memory 6.5 EC2 Compute Units (2 virtual cores with 3.25 EC2 Compute Units each) 420 GB of instance storage 64-bit platform I/O Performance: Moderate API name: m2.xlarge Price: $0.50/hour EC2 is perfect for that kind of thing. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Clyde Forrester wrote: > "I had to solve some interesting problems..." > > Not being able to suck a 240MB file into memory, clean it, join it > (another 240MB), and make a reverse complement (another 240MB), was one of > the problems. So I went the other way and used an algorithm which would act > one character at a time, in a single pass, allowing for multiple framings > and such. The advantage is that it is very memory efficient. It also wound > up being very scalable. > > As for the file layout: there are 25 text files. I loop through each file, > each line, each character, in a single pass. It makes for a good textbook > case example. > > The downside, for now, is that I can't do fuzzy matches the way I would > like to. To solve that, I will probably build a machine with 16GB of > memory, which will enable me to suck in the largest file at least 3 times > over. Sometimes brute force is the path of least resistance. Wake me up > when I can afford it. > > Clyde > > > Joshua Herman wrote: > >> Clyde forgot to mention that since he couldn't load the whole human >> genome into memory he actually searches through the file on disk. At >> least when I talked with him I think that is what it does. >> ---Profile:--- >> http://www.google.com/**profiles/zitterbewegung >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Clyde Forrester >> wrote: >> >>> I recently wrote a program to count the occurrences of "GATACCA" in the >>> human genome. I can do a brief talk on that. I had to solve some >>> interesting >>> problems, and it provides an interesting example of text file reading, >>> compound lists, and some objectish methods. >>> >>> Clyde >>> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maney at two14.net Wed Jan 4 20:23:51 2012 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:23:51 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: <4F0498BA.8010408@gmail.com> References: <4F047EE9.10902@gmail.com> <4F0498BA.8010408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120104192351.GB22509@furrr.two14.net> On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:21:46PM -0600, Clyde Forrester wrote: > would like to. To solve that, I will probably build a machine with > 16GB of memory, which will enable me to suck in the largest file at > least 3 times over. Sometimes brute force is the path of least > resistance. Wake me up when I can afford it. Not a whole new machine, but a new mobo, Athlon II X2, and 8G of ECC RAM was only a smidge over $200 a coule weeks ago. Another $75 to max it out with 16G. I already have case, power supply, drives, etc. ... which will let the old mobo & etc. trickle down. Those silly name-brand boxes designed to make upgrades difficult - piss on them! -- If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson From dave at dabeaz.com Thu Jan 5 13:27:11 2012 From: dave at dabeaz.com (David Beazley) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 06:27:11 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7CF18739-A2C1-4015-91F0-CFB9CFD50DFA@dabeaz.com> Lately, I've been trying to wrap my brain around how parts of the PyPy toolchain work. I wouldn't mind giving a talk that puts my own spin on trying to explain how RPython actually works (assuming my head doesn't explode in the process). Cheers, Dave From sams.james at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 20:00:01 2012 From: sams.james at gmail.com (James Sams) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:00:01 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: <7CF18739-A2C1-4015-91F0-CFB9CFD50DFA@dabeaz.com> References: <7CF18739-A2C1-4015-91F0-CFB9CFD50DFA@dabeaz.com> Message-ID: <2886756.Uy8nzpCDjn@sen> On Thursday 05, January 2012 06:27:11 David Beazley wrote: > Lately, I've been trying to wrap my brain around how parts of the PyPy > toolchain work. I wouldn't mind giving a talk that puts my own spin on > trying to explain how RPython actually works (assuming my head doesn't > explode in the process). +1 I would definitely like to know more about this. -- James Sams sams.james at gmail.com From emperorcezar at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 20:05:52 2012 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:05:52 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: <2886756.Uy8nzpCDjn@sen> References: <7CF18739-A2C1-4015-91F0-CFB9CFD50DFA@dabeaz.com> <2886756.Uy8nzpCDjn@sen> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM, James Sams wrote: > On Thursday 05, January 2012 06:27:11 David Beazley wrote: > > Lately, I've been trying to wrap my brain around how parts of the PyPy > > toolchain work. I wouldn't mind giving a talk that puts my own spin on > > trying to explain how RPython actually works (assuming my head doesn't > > explode in the process). > > +1 > I would definitely like to know more about this. > > +1 = 2 Maybe I'll understand it! Maybe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex.gaynor at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 20:12:01 2012 From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:12:01 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: References: <7CF18739-A2C1-4015-91F0-CFB9CFD50DFA@dabeaz.com> <2886756.Uy8nzpCDjn@sen> Message-ID: I'm always +1 on someone who isn't me talking about PyPy. Alex On Jan 5, 2012 1:10 PM, "Adam Jenkins" wrote: > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM, James Sams wrote: > >> On Thursday 05, January 2012 06:27:11 David Beazley wrote: >> > Lately, I've been trying to wrap my brain around how parts of the PyPy >> > toolchain work. I wouldn't mind giving a talk that puts my own spin on >> > trying to explain how RPython actually works (assuming my head doesn't >> > explode in the process). >> >> +1 >> I would definitely like to know more about this. >> >> > +1 = 2 > > Maybe I'll understand it! Maybe. > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex.gaynor at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 21:12:57 2012 From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:12:57 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: References: <7CF18739-A2C1-4015-91F0-CFB9CFD50DFA@dabeaz.com> <2886756.Uy8nzpCDjn@sen> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote: > I'm always +1 on someone who isn't me talking about PyPy. > > Alex > On Jan 5, 2012 1:10 PM, "Adam Jenkins" wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM, James Sams wrote: >> >>> On Thursday 05, January 2012 06:27:11 David Beazley wrote: >>> > Lately, I've been trying to wrap my brain around how parts of the PyPy >>> > toolchain work. I wouldn't mind giving a talk that puts my own spin >>> on >>> > trying to explain how RPython actually works (assuming my head doesn't >>> > explode in the process). >>> >>> +1 >>> I would definitely like to know more about this. >>> >>> >> +1 = 2 >> >> Maybe I'll understand it! Maybe. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> If anyone's interested I'd love to give a talk on why I hate the Django ORM (background: I've worked on just about every major change to it over the last 2.5 years or so). This is a cautionary tale of API design, guessability, and all the good stuff that you only care about when you show your project to someone else :) Alex -- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire) "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emperorcezar at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 21:49:42 2012 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:49:42 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: References: <7CF18739-A2C1-4015-91F0-CFB9CFD50DFA@dabeaz.com> <2886756.Uy8nzpCDjn@sen> Message-ID: > > If anyone's interested I'd love to give a talk on why I hate the Django > ORM (background: I've worked on just about every major change to it over > the last 2.5 years or so). This is a cautionary tale of API design, > guessability, and all the good stuff that you only care about when you show > your project to someone else :) > > Alex > > +8 I know some nosql people who have a bone to pick with you. :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Fri Jan 6 00:19:21 2012 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:19:21 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video Message-ID: I am not in town for the meeting, so I can't do video. How much is it worth pulling out of the cookie jar to hire someone? (and don't ask me, I have been pondering this question for years.) -- Carl K From brian at python.org Fri Jan 6 00:25:26 2012 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:25:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 17:19, Carl Karsten wrote: > I am not in town for the meeting, so I can't do video. > > How much is it worth pulling out of the cookie jar to hire someone? > (and don't ask me, I have been pondering this question for years.) As someone who isn't either presenting or doing the video recording, I'm not sure how I'd estimate this. Without knowing the topics, as a viewer, I don't know what the value of them will be to me. So far I'm going with $0. From carl at personnelware.com Fri Jan 6 02:14:40 2012 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:14:40 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 17:19, Carl Karsten wrote: >> I am not in town for the meeting, so I can't do video. >> >> How much is it worth pulling out of the cookie jar to hire someone? >> (and don't ask me, I have been pondering this question for years.) > > As someone who isn't either presenting or doing the video recording, > I'm not sure how I'd estimate this. Without knowing the topics, as a > viewer, I don't know what the value of them will be to me. > > So far I'm going with $0. For topics I was assuming Beaz and maybe Alex (talking about what they want to talk about.) "mind numbing GIL" is my top viewed vid at 12,000 before Guideo tweeted, and hit 20k a few weeks later. No clue if PyPy will be a similar hit. -- Carl K From emperorcezar at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 03:03:58 2012 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:03:58 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The meeting is down the street from my office so I can carry a tripod and a camera down to do some some very basic recording. Nothing fancy like you Carl. :) On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > I am not in town for the meeting, so I can't do video. > > How much is it worth pulling out of the cookie jar to hire someone? > (and don't ask me, I have been pondering this question for years.) > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maney at two14.net Fri Jan 6 03:42:43 2012 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:42:43 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: References: <7CF18739-A2C1-4015-91F0-CFB9CFD50DFA@dabeaz.com> <2886756.Uy8nzpCDjn@sen> Message-ID: <20120106024243.GB4431@furrr.two14.net> On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 02:12:57PM -0600, Alex Gaynor wrote: > If anyone's interested I'd love to give a talk on why I hate the Django ORM > (background: I've worked on just about every major change to it over the > last 2.5 years or so). This is a cautionary tale of API design, > guessability, and all the good stuff that you only care about when you show > your project to someone else :) I would love to hear this. No +1 only becuase there's no chance of my getting downtown for it. :-( -- If the best we can do is make technology as dangerous, non-robust, capricious, arcane, alienating, marginal, and costly as "magic", then we have really crappy technology. -- goliard From zitterbewegung at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 03:48:35 2012 From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:48:35 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: References: <7CF18739-A2C1-4015-91F0-CFB9CFD50DFA@dabeaz.com> <2886756.Uy8nzpCDjn@sen> Message-ID: +1 to everything so +3 ---Profile:--- http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote: >> >> I'm always +1 on someone who isn't me talking about PyPy. >> >> Alex >> >> On Jan 5, 2012 1:10 PM, "Adam Jenkins" wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM, James Sams wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thursday 05, ?January ?2012 06:27:11 David Beazley wrote: >>>> > Lately, I've been trying to wrap my brain around how parts of the PyPy >>>> > toolchain work. ? I wouldn't mind giving a talk that puts my own spin >>>> > on >>>> > trying to explain how RPython actually works (assuming my head doesn't >>>> > explode in the process). >>>> >>>> +1 >>>> I would definitely like to know more about this. >>>> >>> >>> +1 = 2 >>> >>> Maybe I'll understand it! Maybe. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> > > If anyone's interested I'd love to give a talk on why I hate the Django ORM > (background: I've worked on just about every major change to it over the > last 2.5 years or so). ?This is a cautionary tale of API design, > guessability, and all the good stuff that you only care about when you show > your project to someone else :) > > Alex > > -- > "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to > say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire) > "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From bob.haugen at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 13:50:57 2012 From: bob.haugen at gmail.com (Bob Haugen) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 06:50:57 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: <20120106024243.GB4431@furrr.two14.net> References: <7CF18739-A2C1-4015-91F0-CFB9CFD50DFA@dabeaz.com> <2886756.Uy8nzpCDjn@sen> <20120106024243.GB4431@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 02:12:57PM -0600, Alex Gaynor wrote: >> If anyone's interested I'd love to give a talk on why I hate the Django ORM >> (background: I've worked on just about every major change to it over the >> last 2.5 years or so). ?This is a cautionary tale of API design, >> guessability, and all the good stuff that you only care about when you show >> your project to someone else :) I can't make it to the meeting, and apparently it won't become an overnight video either, but (as a Django user) I am really interested. Plus I think it would be valuable to more than Chipy. So Alex, if you write it up in some form before or after presenting, I will study and share it. Thanks, Bob Haugen now living in southwest Wisconsin From lister-chipy at guide.chi.il.us Fri Jan 6 14:40:35 2012 From: lister-chipy at guide.chi.il.us (Steve Kacsmark) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:40:35 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> I can do the same. I also have a hot-shoe shotgun mike which will either improve, or degrade audio quality. On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:03:58PM -0600, Adam Jenkins wrote: > The meeting is down the street from my office so I can carry a tripod and a > camera down to do some some very basic recording. Nothing fancy like you > Carl. :) > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > > > I am not in town for the meeting, so I can't do video. > > > > How much is it worth pulling out of the cookie jar to hire someone? > > (and don't ask me, I have been pondering this question for years.) > > > > -- > > Carl K > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- Six pints of bitter. And quickly please, the world's about to end. Oh yes, sir? Nice weather for it. -- Douglas Adams From tjurewicz at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 17:12:52 2012 From: tjurewicz at gmail.com (Trent Jurewicz) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:12:52 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: References: <7CF18739-A2C1-4015-91F0-CFB9CFD50DFA@dabeaz.com> <2886756.Uy8nzpCDjn@sen> Message-ID: +1! On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote: > >> I'm always +1 on someone who isn't me talking about PyPy. >> >> Alex >> On Jan 5, 2012 1:10 PM, "Adam Jenkins" wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM, James Sams wrote: >>> >>>> On Thursday 05, January 2012 06:27:11 David Beazley wrote: >>>> > Lately, I've been trying to wrap my brain around how parts of the PyPy >>>> > toolchain work. I wouldn't mind giving a talk that puts my own spin >>>> on >>>> > trying to explain how RPython actually works (assuming my head doesn't >>>> > explode in the process). >>>> >>>> +1 >>>> I would definitely like to know more about this. >>>> >>>> >>> +1 = 2 >>> >>> Maybe I'll understand it! Maybe. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> > If anyone's interested I'd love to give a talk on why I hate the Django > ORM (background: I've worked on just about every major change to it over > the last 2.5 years or so). This is a cautionary tale of API design, > guessability, and all the good stuff that you only care about when you show > your project to someone else :) > > Alex > > -- > "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right > to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire) > "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstoner2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 20:35:36 2012 From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:35:36 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] topics! In-Reply-To: References: <7CF18739-A2C1-4015-91F0-CFB9CFD50DFA@dabeaz.com> <2886756.Uy8nzpCDjn@sen> Message-ID: +1 On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Trent Jurewicz wrote: > +1! > > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote: >> >>> I'm always +1 on someone who isn't me talking about PyPy. >>> >>> Alex >>> On Jan 5, 2012 1:10 PM, "Adam Jenkins" wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM, James Sams wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thursday 05, January 2012 06:27:11 David Beazley wrote: >>>>> > Lately, I've been trying to wrap my brain around how parts of the >>>>> PyPy >>>>> > toolchain work. I wouldn't mind giving a talk that puts my own >>>>> spin on >>>>> > trying to explain how RPython actually works (assuming my head >>>>> doesn't >>>>> > explode in the process). >>>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> I would definitely like to know more about this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> +1 = 2 >>>> >>>> Maybe I'll understand it! Maybe. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chicago mailing list >>>> Chicago at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>> >>>> >> If anyone's interested I'd love to give a talk on why I hate the Django >> ORM (background: I've worked on just about every major change to it over >> the last 2.5 years or so). 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URL: From irick at uchicago.edu Sat Jan 7 23:13:08 2012 From: irick at uchicago.edu (John-Stockton Irick) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:13:08 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Tech Lawyer to read contracts? Message-ID: Y'all- Does anyone have a lawyer they're happy with? I need someone to review a contract with a quick turnaround. -js From bob.haugen at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 19:04:07 2012 From: bob.haugen at gmail.com (Bob Haugen) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 12:04:07 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Request for a programmer from a lawyer friend Message-ID: Peter Van Schaick (contact info below and in the cc) is a lawyer, friend, and all around good guy, if you can believe that about a lawyer. He does a lot of public interest legal work, for example. Anyway, he is looking for a part-time long-term programmer. Paid work. Your choice of tools. No commute. Work from wherever. I don't have time, nor the required ready skills. I told him Python would be perfect for the job, and Chipy had lots of excellent programmers. So here's his request. Contact him directly if you're interested. Peter writes: I'm continuing to do some legal work with a friend in NYC, and I've got set of problems with electronic data that I'd like to solve with a computer programmer, instead of a "litigation support" person. So I'm looking for a long-term, part-time person. Here's my immediate problem. My opponents produced an set of electronic copies of 1.3M pages of documents, instead of paper copies. There are roughly 250,000 documents, reflected in pairs of image and ocr files (tif + text). Each member of a document pair is labeled with the same number-name; they differ in that one has a tif extension; the other a txt extension. The file names are in sequential order in several dozen numbered folders. The odd fact is that about 15% of the tif files do NOT have a corresponding txt file. A file like 00523451.tif may be missing its parallel 00523451.txt file. To start, I need a list of the 60,000 tif files that do NOT have a parallel txt file. It seems that a recursive comparison routine, with a result for both match and no match, would do the trick. Next, I'd like to develop indices and search tools. I'd start with Boolean searches, and work up to proximity searches, i.e., a pair of text strings within a number of characters of each other. Can you think of someone who might be interested in helping me? I'm thinking of a paid consulting relationship. As you know, I'm comfortable working remotely with the right person. Peter van Schaick 201-388-3383 Email worklaw at gmail.com From carl at personnelware.com Sun Jan 8 20:49:11 2012 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:49:11 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: So the value of chipy videos is 0? I am hoping that's not what ya'll are saying, but that's all that has been posted. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Steve Kacsmark wrote: > I can do the same. I also have a hot-shoe shotgun mike which will either > improve, or degrade audio quality. > > On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:03:58PM -0600, Adam Jenkins wrote: >> The meeting is down the street from my office so I can carry a tripod and a >> camera down to do some some very basic recording. Nothing fancy like you >> Carl. ?:) >> >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >> > I am not in town for the meeting, so I can't do video. >> > >> > How much is it worth pulling out of the cookie jar to hire someone? >> > (and don't ask me, I have been pondering this question for years.) >> > >> > -- >> > Carl K >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > -- > Six pints of bitter. And quickly please, the world's about to end. > Oh yes, sir? Nice weather for it. > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- Douglas Adams > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- Carl K From emperorcezar at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 21:10:58 2012 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:10:58 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > So the value of chipy videos is 0? > > I am hoping that's not what ya'll are saying, but that's all that has > been posted. > How much is the value of the slides? Because someone can't come up with a number doesn't mean it's zero. Because the videos aren't sold, and chipy is free, it's very difficult to answer your question. Even an economics professor would have difficulty doing so. How much are conference videos worth maybe a better question because the sell tickets to conferences and there maybe ways to determine how many more people come to a conference because of the preceding year's videos. Almost everyone on the list is concerned with the talks being recorded, not if it's paid for or not. You posted that you couldn't come, so people offered to record, I don't think anyone actually thought you needed the number question answered. Also, a smart-ass reply. Q: How much are they worth? A: Exactly what people will pay. <3 On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Steve Kacsmark > wrote: > > I can do the same. I also have a hot-shoe shotgun mike which will either > > improve, or degrade audio quality. > > > > On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:03:58PM -0600, Adam Jenkins wrote: > >> The meeting is down the street from my office so I can carry a tripod > and a > >> camera down to do some some very basic recording. Nothing fancy like you > >> Carl. :) > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Carl Karsten > wrote: > >> > >> > I am not in town for the meeting, so I can't do video. > >> > > >> > How much is it worth pulling out of the cookie jar to hire someone? > >> > (and don't ask me, I have been pondering this question for years.) > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Carl K > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Chicago mailing list > >> > Chicago at python.org > >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > -- > > Six pints of bitter. And quickly please, the world's about to end. > > Oh yes, sir? Nice weather for it. > > -- Douglas Adams > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Sun Jan 8 21:25:40 2012 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:25:40 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: my thought goes like this: we have some money, we can spend some of it on video. what we spend on video we can't spend on anything else. how much of the pie should we cut away so that the Jan videos are nice? (good audio, some view of the screen, posted in a reasonable amount of time.) CiPy is not the PSF, but I would guess it has similar thoughts, like: "The mission of the Python Software Foundation is to promote, protect, and advance the Python programming language, and to support and facilitate the growth of a diverse and international community of Python programmers." - http://www.python.org/psf/mission/ I lean on that when trying to figure out which way to go on stuff. whatever that means. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Adam Jenkins wrote: > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Carl Karsten??wrote: > >> So the value of chipy videos is 0? >> >> I am hoping that's not what ya'll are saying, but that's all that has >> been posted. > > > How much is the value of the slides? Because someone can't come up with a > number doesn't mean it's zero. > > Because the videos aren't sold, and chipy is free, it's very difficult to > answer your question. Even an economics professor would have difficulty > doing so. > > How much are conference videos worth maybe a better question because the > sell tickets to conferences and there maybe ways to determine how many more > people come to a conference because of the?preceding?year's videos. > > Almost everyone on the list is?concerned?with the talks being recorded, not > if it's paid for or not. You posted that you couldn't come, so people > offered to record, I don't think anyone actually thought you needed the > number question answered. > > Also, a smart-ass reply. Q: How much are they worth? A: Exactly what people > will pay. > > <3 > > >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Steve Kacsmark >> wrote: >> > I can do the same. I also have a hot-shoe shotgun mike which will either >> > improve, or degrade audio quality. >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:03:58PM -0600, Adam Jenkins wrote: >> >> The meeting is down the street from my office so I can carry a tripod >> >> and a >> >> camera down to do some some very basic recording. Nothing fancy like >> >> you >> >> Carl. ?:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Carl Karsten >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I am not in town for the meeting, so I can't do video. >> >> > >> >> > How much is it worth pulling out of the cookie jar to hire someone? >> >> > (and don't ask me, I have been pondering this question for years.) >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Carl K >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Chicago mailing list >> >> > Chicago at python.org >> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chicago mailing list >> >> Chicago at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Six pints of bitter. And quickly please, the world's about to end. >> > Oh yes, sir? Nice weather for it. >> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- Douglas Adams >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> >> >> -- >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K From shekay at pobox.com Sun Jan 8 21:26:32 2012 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:26:32 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Adam Jenkins wrote: > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Carl Karsten??wrote: > >> So the value of chipy videos is 0? >> >> I am hoping that's not what ya'll are saying, but that's all that has >> been posted. > > > How much is the value of the slides? Because someone can't come up with a > number doesn't mean it's zero. Slides out of context aren't that valuable. Particularly for chipy, where the most valuable parts of the presentations aren't contained in slides. > Because the videos aren't sold, and chipy is free, it's very difficult to > answer your question. Even an economics professor would have difficulty > doing so. I think an economics prof could come up with something pretty easily by considering the time, labor, and cost of materials used. We could probably come up with a guestimate for opportunity cost. > Also, a smart-ass reply. Q: How much are they worth? A: Exactly what people > will pay. Carl and I are paying to record everything. I am less motivated than he is. -- sheila From brian at python.org Sun Jan 8 21:44:57 2012 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:44:57 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 14:25, Carl Karsten wrote: > my thought goes like this: we have some money, we can spend some of it > on video. ?what we spend on video we can't spend on anything else. > how much of the pie should we cut away so that the Jan videos are > nice? ?(good audio, some view of the screen, posted in a reasonable > amount of time.) Maybe it's just me but I have no idea how much money the group has, and I also don't know what it costs to record, edit, and host any of these videos. I trust that you and anyone else involved with the money can just figure it out and spend wisely. From emperorcezar at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 22:06:16 2012 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:06:16 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: I have no problem with the group paying for some nice videos. I just didn't think you actually wanted the question answered in a number amount when you asked. I thought the purpose of the email was to say you wouldn't be there and we needed to figure something out. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM, sheila miguez wrote: > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Adam Jenkins > wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Carl Karsten > wrote: > > > >> So the value of chipy videos is 0? > >> > >> I am hoping that's not what ya'll are saying, but that's all that has > >> been posted. > > > > > > How much is the value of the slides? Because someone can't come up with a > > number doesn't mean it's zero. > > Slides out of context aren't that valuable. Particularly for chipy, > where the most valuable parts of the presentations aren't contained in > slides. > > > Because the videos aren't sold, and chipy is free, it's very difficult to > > answer your question. Even an economics professor would have difficulty > > doing so. > > I think an economics prof could come up with something pretty easily > by considering the time, labor, and cost of materials used. We could > probably come up with a guestimate for opportunity cost. > > > Also, a smart-ass reply. Q: How much are they worth? A: Exactly what > people > > will pay. > > Carl and I are paying to record everything. I am less motivated than he is. > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Sun Jan 8 22:20:38 2012 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:20:38 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: True, sorry. I think that's what Carl intended, then Brian followed up with 0. I got a bit piqued after that. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Adam Jenkins wrote: > I have no problem with the group paying for some nice videos. I just didn't > think you actually wanted the question answered in a number amount when you > asked. I thought the purpose of the email was to say you wouldn't be there > and we needed to figure something out. -- sheila From carl at personnelware.com Sun Jan 8 22:21:33 2012 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:21:33 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: I am looking for a number. Given I am going to ask people who are my friends, it would be a conflict of interest if I came up with a hight number, and I might insult them if too low. So I would rather not be the one coming up with the number. I would like to send some emails "can you video chipy? they will pay $X." On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Adam Jenkins wrote: > I have no problem with the group paying for some nice videos. I just didn't > think you actually wanted the question answered in a number amount when you > asked. I thought the purpose of the email was to say you wouldn't be there > and we needed to figure something out. > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM, sheila miguez wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Adam Jenkins >> wrote: >> > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Carl >> > Karsten??wrote: >> > >> >> So the value of chipy videos is 0? >> >> >> >> I am hoping that's not what ya'll are saying, but that's all that has >> >> been posted. >> > >> > >> > How much is the value of the slides? Because someone can't come up with >> > a >> > number doesn't mean it's zero. >> >> Slides out of context aren't that valuable. Particularly for chipy, >> where the most valuable parts of the presentations aren't contained in >> slides. >> >> > Because the videos aren't sold, and chipy is free, it's very difficult >> > to >> > answer your question. Even an economics professor would have difficulty >> > doing so. >> >> I think an economics prof could come up with something pretty easily >> by considering the time, labor, and cost of materials used. We could >> probably come up with a guestimate for opportunity cost. >> >> > Also, a smart-ass reply. Q: How much are they worth? A: Exactly what >> > people >> > will pay. >> >> Carl and I are paying to record everything. I am less motivated than he >> is. >> >> -- >> sheila >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K From emperorcezar at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 22:29:34 2012 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:29:34 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: Depends on what they offer. If it's integrating the slides, good audio and whatnot. I'd pull $100 out of rear end since we also feed and drink them. If it's just video camera, $20. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > I am looking for a number. Given I am going to ask people who are my > friends, it would be a conflict of interest if I came up with a hight > number, and I might insult them if too low. So I would rather not be > the one coming up with the number. > > I would like to send some emails "can you video chipy? they will pay $X." > > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Adam Jenkins > wrote: > > I have no problem with the group paying for some nice videos. I just > didn't > > think you actually wanted the question answered in a number amount when > you > > asked. I thought the purpose of the email was to say you wouldn't be > there > > and we needed to figure something out. > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM, sheila miguez wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Adam Jenkins > >> wrote: > >> > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Carl > >> > Karsten wrote: > >> > > >> >> So the value of chipy videos is 0? > >> >> > >> >> I am hoping that's not what ya'll are saying, but that's all that has > >> >> been posted. > >> > > >> > > >> > How much is the value of the slides? Because someone can't come up > with > >> > a > >> > number doesn't mean it's zero. > >> > >> Slides out of context aren't that valuable. Particularly for chipy, > >> where the most valuable parts of the presentations aren't contained in > >> slides. > >> > >> > Because the videos aren't sold, and chipy is free, it's very difficult > >> > to > >> > answer your question. Even an economics professor would have > difficulty > >> > doing so. > >> > >> I think an economics prof could come up with something pretty easily > >> by considering the time, labor, and cost of materials used. We could > >> probably come up with a guestimate for opportunity cost. > >> > >> > Also, a smart-ass reply. Q: How much are they worth? A: Exactly what > >> > people > >> > will pay. > >> > >> Carl and I are paying to record everything. I am less motivated than he > >> is. > >> > >> -- > >> sheila > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianhray at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 22:41:10 2012 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:41:10 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: We spend a disproportionate amount on beer. It may help to look at how much we have available for all meeting expenses. Say we have $100.00 per meeting. We want to spend that so it satisfies each person who attends. If there are 10 people and important to them is having good drink, food, venue, a/v, and video. If equal $2 could be allocated for each. With that said, video does serve a greater purpose. It satisfies archival and external viewing. That is why I have donated my own money and found sponsors in the past. No worries, if we have a need plenty of people are willing to cover reasonable expenses. Finally, there is an element to ChiPy that simply is priceless. There is no dollar amount that can be placed on the community, expertise, and sharing. When worse comes to worse we can always drink cheaper beer. Brian Ray From carl at personnelware.com Sun Jan 8 22:48:42 2012 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:48:42 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: Is $100 is the offer? I am not even going to deal with crappy video - I have seen enough that are so bad I am guessing no one (as in 0.0 people) watch it. (meaning they start watching, and give up after a few minutes.) On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > We spend a disproportionate amount on beer. It may help to look at how much we have available for all meeting expenses. Say we have $100.00 per meeting. We want to spend that so it satisfies each person who attends. If there are 10 people and important to them is having good drink, food, venue, a/v, and video. If equal $2 could be allocated for each. > > With that said, video does serve a greater purpose. It satisfies archival and external viewing. That is why I have donated my own money and found sponsors in the past. No worries, if we have a need plenty of people are willing to cover reasonable expenses. > > Finally, there is an element to ChiPy that simply is priceless. There is no dollar amount that can be placed on the community, expertise, and sharing. > > When worse comes to worse we can always drink cheaper beer. > > Brian Ray > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- Carl K From lister-chipy at guide.chi.il.us Mon Jan 9 03:56:43 2012 From: lister-chipy at guide.chi.il.us (Steve Kacsmark) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:56:43 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: <20120109025643.GA32825@mail.guide.chi.il.us> On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 02:44:57PM -0600, Brian Curtin wrote: > Maybe it's just me but I have no idea how much money the group has, > and I also don't know what it costs to record, edit, and host any of > these videos. This was my issue exactly. I am aware that as a group we have some funds available, but as to how much is available I have no idea. I Also have no idea what reasonable video work costs. I'd certainly prefer that we have some money be used for video work, as I find our videos to be valuable. I simply don't have the knowledge to come up with what number that should be. In the event that we came to a point where no one was able to record the meeting, I offered to provide my own camera and time to ensure something was recorded. I certainly did not mean to disparage the value of Karl's, or anyone else's, work. Simply put, I find the videos valuable, and wanted to ensure there would be some for our upcoming meeting. From jp at zavteq.com Mon Jan 9 04:13:08 2012 From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:13:08 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: <20120109025643.GA32825@mail.guide.chi.il.us> References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> <20120109025643.GA32825@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: Sorry for being ignorant, but where are said videos actually stored so that us that are interested may view them? I haven't seen them on the ChiPy site. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Steve Kacsmark wrote: > On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 02:44:57PM -0600, Brian Curtin wrote: >> Maybe it's just me but I have no idea how much money the group has, >> and I also don't know what it costs to record, edit, and host any of >> these videos. > > This was my issue exactly. I am aware that as a group we have some funds > available, but as to how much is available I have no idea. I Also have > no idea what reasonable video work costs. > > I'd certainly prefer that we have some money be used for video work, as > I find our videos to be valuable. I simply don't have the knowledge to > come up with what number that should be. > > In the event that we came to a point where no one was able to record the > meeting, I offered to provide my own camera and time to ensure something > was recorded. I certainly did not mean to disparage the value of Karl's, > or anyone else's, work. Simply put, I find the videos valuable, and wanted > to ensure there would be some for our upcoming meeting. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- JP Bader Principal Zavteq, Inc. @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com 608.692.2468 From vceder at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 04:32:10 2012 From: vceder at gmail.com (Vern Ceder) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:32:10 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Poster Session Proposal Deadline Nears Message-ID: Please feel free to circulate this... Thanks. Poster Session Proposal Deadline Nears The preparations for PyCon 2012 are moving into their final phase. The talks have been announced, the tutorials are on the books, just about the only that remains is to submit a poster proposal! Do you want to share your latest Python coding experiments? Or build interest in a budding project? Do you want to present something at PyCon, but don't feel that a talk is for you? Now in its third year, the poster session has become a part of the PyCon tradition. Praised by presenters for being both an excellent opportunity to interact with interested people and a lower pressure, more accessible venue than regular talks, the poster session lets you reach more people at PyCon with less fuss than any other type of presentation. So if you have an idea that you want to get out there, or a project you want feedback on, submit a poster. For more reasons why you simply must present a poster, see Brian Curtin's earlier post ( http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/10/you-should-propose-poster.html) and for more information on the poster sessions and how to submit a proposal, visit the general description of the poster session ( https://us.pycon.org/2012/posters/) or the poster session CFP ( https://us.pycon.org/2012/cfp/). Poster proposals are being accepted on a rolling basis for one more week (or until we hit our limit of 36 posters). Submissions are coming in, so if you want to be sure of getting a spot, go to the PyCon speaker information page (http://us.pycon.org/2012/speaker/) and submit your proposal soon! I hope to see you (and your poster) at PyCon! -- Vern Ceder vceder at gmail.com, vceder at dogsinmotion.com The Quick Python Book, 2nd Ed - http://bit.ly/bRsWDW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I Also have >> no idea what reasonable video work costs. >> >> I'd certainly prefer that we have some money be used for video work, as >> I find our videos to be valuable. I simply don't have the knowledge to >> come up with what number that should be. >> >> In the event that we came to a point where no one was able to record the >> meeting, I offered to provide my own camera and time to ensure something >> was recorded. I certainly did not mean to disparage the value of Karl's, >> or anyone else's, work. Simply put, I find the videos valuable, and wanted >> to ensure there would be some for our upcoming meeting. >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > -- > JP Bader > Principal > Zavteq, Inc. > @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com > 608.692.2468 > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- Carl K From brianhray at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 14:13:22 2012 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:13:22 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] RSVP link for thursday live Message-ID: You can RSVP here... http://chipy.org/ We are still working out some small details, but this is the general looks of it. Please RSVP this is going to be the best meeting ever. Cheers, Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It > is summarizing an article by researchers from Southern Illinois University. > They empirically study how easy it is for novices to learn programming > languages, and they show that novice Perl users were unable to write > programs more accurately than those using a language designed by chance. > > I wonder how Python would fare? > > Cheers, > Mike > > -- > *mike stringer* > @mstringer > > *datascope analytics* > http://datascopeanalytics.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kirby.urner at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 17:39:06 2012 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 08:39:06 -0800 Subject: [Chicago] Randomo vs. Quorum vs. Perl (how would Python do?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Mike Stringer > wrote: >> >> Many of you may find this article interesting:?http://bit.ly/A2yqJA. It is >> summarizing an article by researchers from Southern Illinois University. >> They empirically study how easy it is for novices to learn programming >> languages, and they show that novice Perl users were unable to write >> programs more accurately than those using a language designed by chance. >> >> I wonder how Python would fare? >> >> Cheers, >> Mike >> Taking complete novices and saying Perl and random garbage are equally hard to use isn't saying much. Put me in the cockpit of a 747 (Perl) and tell me to fly it somewhere. Now put me in a car from the junkyard (Randomo). We get about as far. Now but me on a tricycle (Quorum). Wow, we get somewhere. Ergo a tricycle is better designed than a 747? I think the logic of the Quorum designers is weak but as a publicity stunt, the study holds some water. kirby From clydeforrester at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 18:29:05 2012 From: clydeforrester at gmail.com (Clyde Forrester) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 11:29:05 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Randomo vs. Quorum vs. Perl (how would Python do?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F0B23E1.10103@gmail.com> Mike Stringer wrote: > Many of you may find this article interesting: http://bit.ly/A2yqJA. It > is summarizing an article by researchers from Southern Illinois > University. They empirically study how easy it is for novices to learn > programming languages, and they show that novice Perl users were unable > to write programs more accurately than those using a language designed > by chance. > > I wonder how Python would fare? > > Cheers, > Mike It sure came off as a fluff article. They took a C-style construct, explained that it was in Java, blamed it on Perl, and speculated on what Python would do, but didn't follow through. I just did a bunch of compound loops in Perl, Python, and Ruby. None of them were the C-style loops. Clyde From steve at agilitynerd.com Mon Jan 9 19:51:00 2012 From: steve at agilitynerd.com (Steve Schwarz) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 12:51:00 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> <20120109025643.GA32825@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: As an off site viewer who can never attend a downtown meeting I greatly appreciate the presentations and the videos. They are of high quality and well done. As far as $ value. I would put setting the amount in the hands of our benevolent leader Brian. Otherwise we should rely on the kindness of strangers, non-(semi) professional video recording would be fine with me. Someone offered to record with a consumer video cam and a tripod I would hope that would be sufficient and I would also hope Carl would offer his services to process/host the video afterward. I greatly appreciate his work in shooting the video and getting the videos edited and hosted (and thanks also to anyone else who is involved). The dilemma is if we start paying videographers, why not pay presenters? organizers?... all require substantial preparation and effort and have typically been offered in the spirit of sharing with the local Python community. We are fortunate that the same people step up every month and their efforts are likely being taken for granted. I hope whoever organizes the events, presents, video tapes and does the followup work would accept my heartfelt thanks. If donations were available online and/or at meetings that money could be presented/divided/etc to whomever helped that meeting. 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Yours, Damon Wang > Cheers, Brian > > References > > Visible links > 1. http://chipy.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From carl at personnelware.com Tue Jan 10 05:06:00 2012 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 22:06:00 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] jan video In-Reply-To: References: <20120106134035.GA22556@mail.guide.chi.il.us> <20120109025643.GA32825@mail.guide.chi.il.us> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Steve Schwarz wrote: > As an off site viewer who can never attend a downtown meeting I greatly > appreciate the presentations and the videos. They are of high quality and > well done. > > As far as $ value. I would put setting the amount in the hands of our > benevolent leader Brian. Otherwise we should rely on the kindness of > strangers, non-(semi) professional video recording would be fine with me. > Someone offered to record with a consumer video cam and a tripod I would > hope that would be sufficient and I would also hope Carl would offer his > services to process/host the video afterward. It is often more work for me to do that than when I do the whole thing myself. And given I suspect the audio will be pretty poor, I am not motovated to do it. plus I won't be around to get the raw files till Jan 31/ Settling for armature video also means a pro won't do it, which in some form of accounting is a loss - I think it falls under "opportunity cost." > I greatly appreciate his work > in shooting the video and getting the videos edited and hosted (and thanks > also to anyone else who is involved). > > The dilemma is if we start paying videographers, why not pay presenters? Because we don't have to. Unless we want to, like we want to fly in Guido some day. > organizers?... all require substantial preparation and effort and have > typically been offered in the spirit of sharing with the local Python > community. We are fortunate that the same people step up every month and > their efforts are likely being taken for granted. > The are to distinct differences between video and the rest of those things: 1. real costs. I have to buy/fix cameras, laptops, mics, etc. I don't have to buy anything for chipy, but every time I take it from storage to chipy and back there is a chance of something breaking. So far a tripod latch and a laptop fire wire port have suffered. I am not sure I have used one of my projectors for chipy, but the bulbs have a limited life and cost $150+ 2. I don't get to attend the meeting like a normal person. I can't drink as much as I want, I often don't get pizza, I can't hang out and talk after the meeting, I am late to the bar. and I am only 1/2 paying attention to the talk. sometimes when I am paying too much attention, I stuff up the video. not a huge deal, but it is an issue. Organising etc takes time, but I do it when I chose, like when have time to spare. > I hope whoever organizes the events, presents, video tapes and does the > followup work would accept my heartfelt thanks. > > If donations were available online and/or at meetings that money could be > presented/divided/etc to whomever helped that meeting. I have done a few pledgie drives, it didn't work out too well - but I think if I did it every month is might get better. one of the problems I had was not knowing how much I should ask for. /me looks at OP. -- Carl K From brianhray at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 12:22:52 2012 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:22:52 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] Chipy January Meeting -- this Thursday, 7pm Message-ID: Chicago Python User Group January Meeting When: 7 PM Thursday January 12, 2012 Where: The LaSalle Network Join us this Thursday as world renowned Python author, developer, and educator David Beazley @dabeaz (http://www.dabeaz.com/) will present on his latest mind bending epic. Followed up by a talk you will love, Alex Gaynor @alex_gaynor constructive (we hope) hate for the Django ORM. These two always draw a crowd so get here early. Also this will be located at an exciting new venue. (optional) RSVP at?http://chipy.org/ Please bring your ID wether you RSVP or not. If you get get a chance please RSVP so we know how much food/drink to order. Quick Links: YES?http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/44/yes MAYBE?http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/44/maybe Topics ------ Food and Drink will be served before or after first talk, Thank you LaSalle Network! 1) Welcome from Brian Ray @brianray. A brief word from our sponsors and venue host: The Lasalle Network (http://www.thelasallenetwork.com/). 2) RPython for Pypy (:45 Forty-Five Minutes) By:?David Beazley Lately, David has been wrapping his brain around how parts of the PyPy toolchain works. His talk will try and explain how RPython actually works, "assuming my head doesn't explode in the process," he says. 3) Why I hate the Django ORM (:30 Thirty Minutes) By:?Alex Gaynor This is a cautionary tale of API design, guessability, and all the good stuff that you only care about when you show your project to someone else :) 4) occurrences of "GATACCA" in the human genome (:15 Fifteen Minutes) By:?Clyde Forrester Location -------- LaSalle Network 200 N. LaSalle St. 17th floor About the group --------------- ChiPy is made up of people of all levels of programming and Python knowledge. At every meeting we have had both beginning programmers, people who are just starting to use Python, as well as experienced Python programmers. Don't be intimidated about coming to a meeting. http://chipy.org From zanson at zanson.org Tue Jan 10 21:19:29 2012 From: zanson at zanson.org (J. D. Jordan) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:19:29 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] RSVP link for thursday live In-Reply-To: <20120109190644.GE5098@arcturus.cs.uchicago.edu> References: <20120109190644.GE5098@arcturus.cs.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: You can use: https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id Which uses your currently logged in google account or https://www.google.com/profiles/ Which uses the given account On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Damon Wang wrote: > On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 07:13:22AM -0600, Brian Ray wrote: >> ? ?You can RSVP here... >> ? ?[1]http://chipy.org/ >> ? ?We are still working out some small details, but this is the general looks >> ? ?of it. Please RSVP this is going to be the best meeting ever. > > This Google Blog post > ? ?http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2008/10/google-moves-towards-single-sign-on.html > seems to say I can use my Gmail address as an OpenID identifier, but I > just tried that with the ChiPy website and got the error "invalid OpenID." > > Does anyone know what I might be doing wrong? > > Yours, > Damon Wang > >> ? ?Cheers, Brian >> >> References >> >> ? ?Visible links >> ? ?1. http://chipy.org/ > >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From sams.james at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 18:49:57 2012 From: sams.james at gmail.com (James Sams) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:49:57 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] RSVP link for thursday live In-Reply-To: <20120109190644.GE5098@arcturus.cs.uchicago.edu> References: <20120109190644.GE5098@arcturus.cs.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <49122425.3P3Z6RjG6Q@sen> On Monday 09, January 2012 13:06:47 Damon Wang wrote: > On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 07:13:22AM -0600, Brian Ray wrote: > > You can RSVP here... > > [1]http://chipy.org/ > > We are still working out some small details, but this is the > > general looks of it. Please RSVP this is going to be the best > > meeting ever. > > Does anyone know what I might be doing wrong? Yea, this is not really intuitive, but you don't user your email address. Rather, you use Google's OpenID identifier: https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id Some kind of autocomplete/dropdown for that would be great. For whatever reason, firefox does not remember that url for me. -- James Sams sams.james at gmail.com From brianhray at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 23:38:46 2012 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:38:46 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] RSVP Reminder Message-ID: For accurate counts for food and drink if you get a chance please RSVP for tomorrow nights meeting: http://chipy.org I'm excited for this one folks! From emperorcezar at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 00:20:44 2012 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:20:44 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] RSVP Reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It really could be the best ever! On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > For accurate counts for food and drink if you get a chance please RSVP > for tomorrow nights meeting: > > http://chipy.org > > I'm excited for this one folks! > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From japhy at pearachute.com Sat Jan 7 23:52:32 2012 From: japhy at pearachute.com (Japhy Bartlett) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:52:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Tech Lawyer to read contracts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I met a guy named Tom Stevens (stevens at stevens-law.com) at a startup event, and had a few chats with him. He was sharp and pretty tech savvy, and his firm sponsors tech events and does reduced rates to young startups, etc.. I never actually used him, but I would. - Japhy On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 5:13 PM, John-Stockton Irick wrote: > Y'all- > ? ?Does anyone have a lawyer they're happy with? ?I need someone to > review a contract with a quick turnaround. ?-js > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From shekay at pobox.com Thu Jan 12 16:34:11 2012 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:34:11 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Clark/Lake stop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the meeting tonight is near the Clark/Lake stop, a stop of many colors. this observation brought to you by the weather report and people who live near el stops. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Paul v 708.479.1111 c 312.925.1294 Paul May & Associates (PMA) paul at paulmayassociates.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc www.paulmayassociates.com ----- Original Message ----- To: The Chicago Python Users Group From: Brian Ray Sent: 1/18/2012 12:48:50 PM Subject: [Chicago] 1871 Hey all: I think I mentioned to several of you a secret project I was involved in that may help support ChiPy meetings and help some of you looking for co-work space: http://www.builtinchicago.org/profiles/blogs/1871-let-s-build-something http://www.1871.com/ This is really exciting for Chicago Tech. Expect a co-work-co-hosted ChiPy / 1871 meetup in the Spring. 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What's the best approach to take here?? > > Example of data to be displayed to user (preferable if it's a scrolling > window and sortable columns): > > Make??? Model??????? Year > Ford????? F150????????? 2010 > Ford????? Mustang???? 2011 > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From kirby.urner at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 18:07:13 2012 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:07:13 -0800 Subject: [Chicago] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey David -- Just to butt in from Portland, where I'm a PPUG lieutenant under Michelle Rowley (our fearless leader), I'd say do it both ways if the goal is maximum learning. Thick client local GUI: consider Tk the presumably came with Python, quite capable. John Zelle's book is good at using it. wxPython would be a next step up to a truly full featured widget set, as wxPython is a wrapper around the venerable wxWidgets. I support using open source for maximum learning potential. Web client: writing a server application is in many ways easier as so much has been done for you in terms of human-hours. You have frameworks galore. What's more complicated is you're dealing with the network itself and the http request / response protocol, plus if you're willing they might rope you in to help fine tune Apache and before you know it, Python is but a receding memory in the rear view mirror (good sysops in short supply in many neighborhoods). Did you use Python's CSV module to read the file? Is this Python 3.x? I'm sure you'll be wanting to take it off list with the glorious details, but if you do a web version you should give us a holler so's we can all log in and buy us a Mustang, at Costco prices. Kirby On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:53 AM, david nides wrote: > I'm new to Python (don't have a programming background) and looking for some > assistance as I learn. If this is not the right place to ask this question > please point me in the right direction. Thanks! > > I have created a script that will import data from a CSV file into a SQLITE3 > database. I want to create a user interface to display some of the data > stored in the database. It can either be in the form of a GUI or web app.. > whatever is easiest! What's the best approach to take here?? > > Example of data to be displayed to user (preferable if it's a scrolling > window and sortable columns): > > Make??? Model??????? Year > Ford????? F150????????? 2010 > Ford????? Mustang???? 2011 > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From tottinge at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 19:00:43 2012 From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:00:43 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Flask is fun for doing simple web stuff. I played with it last year and had a great time. Simple and quick, not mired in subtleties and details. It's a fun way to present stuff. -- Tim Ottinger, Sr. Consultant, Industrial Logic ------------------------------------- http://www.industriallogic.com/ http://agileinaflash.com/ http://agileotter.blogspot.com/ From flaniganswake at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 19:09:14 2012 From: flaniganswake at gmail.com (Patrick Flanigan) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:09:14 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree about Flask. Easy to implement. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Tim Ottinger wrote: > Flask is fun for doing simple web stuff. I played with it last year > and had a great time. Simple and quick, not mired in subtleties and > details. It's a fun way to present stuff. > > > -- > Tim Ottinger, Sr. Consultant, Industrial Logic > ------------------------------------- > http://www.industriallogic.com/ > http://agileinaflash.com/ > http://agileotter.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.nides at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 20:21:30 2012 From: david.nides at gmail.com (david nides) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:21:30 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> Is it a learning exercise or something you just need to get done? I do have a small need for a tool. Rather then have someone else build it I want to learn to build it myself (#codeyear). I play a role on a Digital Forensics and Incident Response (DFIR) team performing investigations. A lot of the scripts we use to triage data from systems and networks are built in Python. My goal is to start developing and contributing to these open source projects. >>If it's more of a learning exercise, do you prefer to learn web things or desktop GUI things? I will probably end up doing it both ways but would be interested in hearing what would be a better starting point. Thanks, David Nides On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Chad Glendenin wrote: > Is it a learning exercise or something you just need to get done? If > it's the latter, could you just load the CSV file directly into a > spreadsheet or use an existing SQLite GUI? > > If it's more of a learning exercise, do you prefer to learn web things > or desktop GUI things? > > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:53 AM, david nides > wrote: > > I'm new to Python (don't have a programming background) and looking for > some > > assistance as I learn. If this is not the right place to ask this > question > > please point me in the right direction. Thanks! > > > > I have created a script that will import data from a CSV file into a > SQLITE3 > > database. I want to create a user interface to display some of the data > > stored in the database. It can either be in the form of a GUI or web > app.. > > whatever is easiest! What's the best approach to take here?? > > > > Example of data to be displayed to user (preferable if it's a scrolling > > window and sortable columns): > > > > Make Model Year > > Ford F150 2010 > > Ford Mustang 2011 > > > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.nides at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 20:26:13 2012 From: david.nides at gmail.com (david nides) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:26:13 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Using Python 2.7 but didn't really know what the difference was. I was planning on reading up on that this weekend before I go to far. This is the code I used to import my CSV into the db .. worked fine! with open('C:\Python27\data2.csv','rb') as infile: # csv.DictReader uses first line in file for column headings by default dr = csv.DictReader(infile, delimiter=',') to_db = [(i['date'], i['time'], i['timezone'], i['MACB'], i['source'], i['sourcetype'], i['type'], i['user'], i['host'], i['short'], i['desc'], i['version'], i['filename'], i['inode'], i['notes'], i['format'], i['extra']) for i in dr] On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:07 AM, kirby urner wrote: > Hey David -- > > Just to butt in from Portland, where I'm a PPUG lieutenant under > Michelle Rowley (our fearless leader), I'd say do it both ways if the > goal is maximum learning. > > Thick client local GUI: consider Tk the presumably came with Python, > quite capable. John Zelle's book is good at using it. wxPython would > be a next step up to a truly full featured widget set, as wxPython is > a wrapper around the venerable wxWidgets. I support using open source > for maximum learning potential. > > Web client: writing a server application is in many ways easier as so > much has been done for you in terms of human-hours. You have > frameworks galore. What's more complicated is you're dealing with the > network itself and the http request / response protocol, plus if > you're willing they might rope you in to help fine tune Apache and > before you know it, Python is but a receding memory in the rear view > mirror (good sysops in short supply in many neighborhoods). > > Did you use Python's CSV module to read the file? Is this Python 3.x? > I'm sure you'll be wanting to take it off list with the glorious > details, but if you do a web version you should give us a holler so's > we can all log in and buy us a Mustang, at Costco prices. > > Kirby > > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:53 AM, david nides > wrote: > > I'm new to Python (don't have a programming background) and looking for > some > > assistance as I learn. If this is not the right place to ask this > question > > please point me in the right direction. Thanks! > > > > I have created a script that will import data from a CSV file into a > SQLITE3 > > database. I want to create a user interface to display some of the data > > stored in the database. It can either be in the form of a GUI or web > app.. > > whatever is easiest! What's the best approach to take here?? > > > > Example of data to be displayed to user (preferable if it's a scrolling > > window and sortable columns): > > > > Make Model Year > > Ford F150 2010 > > Ford Mustang 2011 > > > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: > This video is born of the fine moments we've shared exploring the > fallacies of asynchronous programming. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg > > Garrett > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgriff1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 17:59:24 2012 From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:59:24 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] Threads vs async In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is based upon pretty much nothing but you have to figure that threads vs async in a typical language is going to boil down to pretty much the same stuff at the kernel/OS level. Also, Node is pretty cool but people treat it like it's some brand new amazing idea when it's anything but. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins < emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote: > I lost it when he went into the 2 minute comparison of node.js to a 19th > century gothic horror plot. > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: > >> This video is born of the fine moments we've shared exploring the >> fallacies of asynchronous programming. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg >> >> Garrett >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emperorcezar at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 18:08:41 2012 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:08:41 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Threads vs async In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JS catches on easily in web development because it's already a common denominator among web developers. We all should know html/js so in a way it simplified the number of languages you need to use. My problem with it is that it sides wrongly. You have three "languages" or domains of knowledge going on. Html, JS, and Python. You drop one and go with JS for the server side. I think you've dropped the best one of the bunch. Google is doing some work to make the client programming model better, with Dart and what not. I hope they succeed. At the very least I would like to see JS become the byte code of browser side programming so I can code in whatever and compile it down. I know there is some work and even success in that area, but I know it's not common place yet. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote: > This is based upon pretty much nothing but you have to figure that threads > vs async in a typical language is going to boil down to pretty much the > same stuff at the kernel/OS level. > > Also, Node is pretty cool but people treat it like it's some brand new > amazing idea when it's anything but. > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins < > emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I lost it when he went into the 2 minute comparison of node.js to a 19th >> century gothic horror plot. >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: >> >>> This video is born of the fine moments we've shared exploring the >>> fallacies of asynchronous programming. >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg >>> >>> Garrett >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From m-rich at northwestern.edu Mon Jan 23 21:19:52 2012 From: m-rich at northwestern.edu (Matthew T Rich) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:19:52 +0000 Subject: [Chicago] Videos from last meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07C8D485-5E73-405B-ACE6-660BC84BE5B1@northwestern.edu> Are these videos up yet? Thanks, Matthew On Jan 19, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Adam Cezar Jenkins wrote: Sure. Will do. 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More details are at: http://www.dabeaz.com/chicago/science.html Cheers, Dave From jrexilius at jumptrading.com Wed Jan 25 19:45:48 2012 From: jrexilius at jumptrading.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:45:48 +0000 Subject: [Chicago] Another trading job opening Message-ID: <6CAECCA2E5872B44B5D60660550F37DE0160EDC0@CHI-EXCHANGEW2.w2k.jumptrading.com> Hey gang, Thought I'd post a job opening I've got if anyone is interested. It's for a software engineer to help build an automation system. Feel free to ping me with any questions.. "This individual will be part of the infrastructure automation effort within the company. They will be responsible for developing new software components of the overall automation architecture, integrating existing system components and maintenance of the existing code base. Solid understanding of programmatic interfaces, linux systems management, networking and systems operations in a globally-distributed, high-performance environment is needed. 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URL: From carl at personnelware.com Wed Jan 25 22:03:54 2012 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:03:54 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Videos from last meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I miss you too. Audio is bad, but good enough - There are some vids out there that I have no idea what the person is saying. The bright spot on the screen - did you see that coming or did it show up when you encoded? Next moth I am going to use ChiPy to demo my system to a guy who wants to record a Judo convention. So I am going to pull out all the stops: 2 cameras, lights, dancing dogs... On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins wrote: > I really did miss Carl. :( > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Brian Ray wrote: >> >> thanks Cezar. ?Your a Pro ;) well... better than nothing. >> >> We miss you Carl! >> >> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins >> wrote: >>> >>> The videos are uploaded. Be forewarned, the audio is horrible. >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL29C578D9F2EF9F23 >>> >>> _________ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K From emperorcezar at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 22:06:53 2012 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:06:53 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Videos from last meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > I miss you too. > > Audio is bad, but good enough - There are some vids out there that I > have no idea what the person is saying. > > The bright spot on the screen - did you see that coming or did it show > up when you encoded? > > I knew it was coming. That white spot is actually the projector reflecting off the shiny wall. The venue should really have a matte screen to project onto. Sadly there wasn't much else of a place to put the camera were it wasn't obscured or too far away from a plug. > Next moth I am going to use ChiPy to demo my system to a guy who wants > to record a Judo convention. So I am going to pull out all the > stops: 2 cameras, lights, dancing dogs... > Looking forward to it. > > > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins > wrote: > > I really did miss Carl. :( > > > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > >> > >> thanks Cezar. Your a Pro ;) well... better than nothing. > >> > >> We miss you Carl! > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> The videos are uploaded. Be forewarned, the audio is horrible. > >>> > >>> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL29C578D9F2EF9F23 > >>> > >>> _________ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Wed Jan 25 22:08:11 2012 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:08:11 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] chipy site and talk data Message-ID: Anyone working on some way of wrangling talk data? This is the hard part: https://github.com/brianray/Chipy/issues/18 Once that is done I can probably do the rest. -- Carl K From pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com Wed Jan 25 22:19:20 2012 From: pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com (Paul Wallenberg) Date: 25 Jan 2012 16:19:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Videos from last meeting Message-ID: <1997197972.1327526360797.JavaMail.cfservice@SL5APP1> [scribbling notes] Matte....screen...check! Any other recommendations for the next time we host? Better beer? Thanks, Paul Wallenberg Project Manager - Technology Services P) 312-419-1700 F) 312-419-1715 pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com lasallenetwork.com pastfive.typepad.com twitter.com/LaSalleNetwork The LaSalle Network Chicago - Oak Brook - Arlington Heights 200 N LaSalle Street, Suite 2400 Chicago, IL 60601 The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. 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That white spot is actually the projector reflecting off the shiny wall. The venue should really have a matte screen to project onto. Sadly there wasn't much else of a place to put the camera were it wasn't obscured or too far away from a plug. Next moth I am going to use ChiPy to demo my system to a guy who wants to record a Judo convention. So I am going to pull out all the stops: 2 cameras, lights, dancing dogs... Looking forward to it. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins wrote: > I really did miss Carl. :( > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Brian Ray wrote: >> >> thanks Cezar. Your a Pro ;) well... better than nothing. >> >> We miss you Carl! >> >> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins >> wrote: >>> >>> The videos are uploaded. Be forewarned, the audio is horrible. >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL29C578D9F2EF9F23 >>> >>> _________ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I dis even high bitrate MP3 for music, okay? :-) Heh, just noticed the very apropos random sig quote. LOL! -- [the combination of iPod and iTunes is like] buying a 21st-century device to live in the seventies. -- Wes Phillips From emperorcezar at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 05:38:07 2012 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:38:07 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Videos from last meeting In-Reply-To: <1997197972.1327526360797.JavaMail.cfservice@SL5APP1> References: <1997197972.1327526360797.JavaMail.cfservice@SL5APP1> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Paul Wallenberg < pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com> wrote: > [scribbling notes] Matte....screen...check! > > Any other recommendations for the next time we host? Better beer? > Yep. :) I'll take free beer any day, but something away from the budmillercoors lites are better. > > Thanks, > > > Paul Wallenberg > Project Manager - Technology Services > P) 312-419-1700 > F) 312-419-1715 > > pwallenberg at lasallenetwork.com > > lasallenetwork.com > pastfive.typepad.com > > twitter.com/LaSalleNetwork > > ****** > > ****** > > ***The LaSalle Network*** > > *Chicago - Oak Brook - Arlington Heights* > **************************************200 N LaSalle Street, Suite 2400**** > ******************** > > ************Chicago, **************IL********** **60601************ > > The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it > from your computer. Thank you. THE LASALLE NETWORK. > **** > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:*Adam \Cezar\ Jenkins emperorcezar at gmail.com > *To:* "The Chicago Python Users Group" ; > *Sent:* Jan 25, 2012 03:04:00 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Chicago] Videos from last meeting > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> I miss you too. >> >> Audio is bad, but good enough - There are some vids out there that I >> have no idea what the person is saying. >> >> The bright spot on the screen - did you see that coming or did it show >> up when you encoded? >> >> > I knew it was coming. That white spot is actually the projector reflecting > off the shiny wall. The venue should really have a matte screen to project > onto. > > Sadly there wasn't much else of a place to put the camera were it wasn't > obscured or too far away from a plug. > > > >> Next moth I am going to use ChiPy to demo my system to a guy who wants >> to record a Judo convention. So I am going to pull out all the >> stops: 2 cameras, lights, dancing dogs... >> > > Looking forward to it. > > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins >> wrote: >> > I really did miss Carl. :( >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Brian Ray wrote: >> >> >> >> thanks Cezar. Your a Pro ;) well... better than nothing. >> >> >> >> We miss you Carl! >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> The videos are uploaded. 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Cheers, Dave From john at mail.npxdesigns.com Sun Jan 29 16:56:24 2012 From: john at mail.npxdesigns.com (John Jacobsen) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:56:24 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Screencast of my RPython Talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:30:57 -0600 > From: David Beazley > To: chicago at python.org > > > I have posted a video of my RPython talk from the January 12 meeting at : > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjnRLG8ATn4 > > This is a different video than the one recorded by video camera. Instead, it is a direct screen capture of my laptop along with a live audio track. If you don't mind the fact that you never see me or anyone else in the room, the slides and audio actually have pretty good clarity. This was actually a great way to view this talk (not to put down the other ChiPy videos which are also the Best Ever). Care to share how you did it (screencast software, etc.) in case others want to go down this road? John John Jacobsen http://npxdesigns.com/contact From ben.rathbone at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 17:53:50 2012 From: ben.rathbone at gmail.com (Ben Rathbone) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:53:50 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Djangonauts meetup, Wednesday February 1st 6:30pm Message-ID: The next Chicago Djangonauts meetup is Wednesday February 1st 6:30pm PRESENTATIONS Adam Jenkins presenting "non-rel stuff" Joe Jasinski presenting about Celery. Wednesday, February 1st @ 6:30pm Imaginary Landscape offices 5121 N. Ravenswood Ave. Chicago, IL 60640 773-275-9144 Bike friendly. Close to Ravenswood Metra, reasonably close to Red/ Brown line. Imaginary Landscape will host the event and provide pizza, beer and soft drinks. ***Please RSVP so that we know how much pizza/beer to buy! *** Facebook Event Page http://www.facebook.com/events/259435394127612/ Or you can RSVP through Imaginary's Contact Form: http://www.chicagodjango.com From shekay at pobox.com Mon Jan 30 00:20:27 2012 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:20:27 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Screencast of my RPython Talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Jacobsen wrote: > This was actually a great way to view this talk (not to put down the other ChiPy videos which are also the Best Ever). ?Care to share how you did it (screencast software, etc.) in case others want to go down this road? I heard he uses ScreenFlow. http://www.telestream.net/screen-flow/ -- sheila From emperorcezar at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 00:27:32 2012 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:27:32 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Djangonauts meetup, Wednesday February 1st 6:30pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ha. "non-rel" stuff. On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Ben Rathbone wrote: > The next Chicago Djangonauts meetup is Wednesday February 1st 6:30pm > > PRESENTATIONS > Adam Jenkins presenting "non-rel stuff" > Joe Jasinski presenting about Celery. > > Wednesday, February 1st @ 6:30pm > > Imaginary Landscape offices > 5121 N. Ravenswood Ave. > Chicago, IL 60640 > 773-275-9144 > > Bike friendly. Close to Ravenswood Metra, reasonably close to Red/ > Brown line. > > Imaginary Landscape will host the event and provide pizza, beer and > soft drinks. > > ***Please RSVP so that we know how much pizza/beer to buy! *** > > Facebook Event Page > http://www.facebook.com/events/259435394127612/ > > Or you can RSVP through Imaginary's Contact Form: > http://www.chicagodjango.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at dabeaz.com Mon Jan 30 14:22:48 2012 From: dave at dabeaz.com (David Beazley) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:22:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Screencast of my RPython Talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, I used Screenflow to record the screen and audio from my laptop's built-in microphone. The audio would probably be a bit better with a proper mic to capture audience questions (and to decrease typing volume), but for speaker audio, it actually came out a lot better than I expected. So far as I know, you can also record your screen and audio using Quicktime. Cheers, Dave > > From: John Jacobsen > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Screencast of my RPython Talk > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> >> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:30:57 -0600 >> From: David Beazley >> To: chicago at python.org >> >> >> I have posted a video of my RPython talk from the January 12 meeting at : >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjnRLG8ATn4 >> >> This is a different video than the one recorded by video camera. Instead, it is a direct screen capture of my laptop along with a live audio track. If you don't mind the fact that you never see me or anyone else in the room, the slides and audio actually have pretty good clarity. > > This was actually a great way to view this talk (not to put down the other ChiPy videos which are also the Best Ever). Care to share how you did it (screencast software, etc.) in case others want to go down this road? > > John > From Brian.Toby at ANL.gov Mon Jan 30 15:22:26 2012 From: Brian.Toby at ANL.gov (Brian Toby) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:22:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Screencast of my RPython Talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <501A6BD2-4311-4C23-9463-6A541EDD5C86@ANL.gov> I have used Camtasia for screen/audio recording both from Windows and Mac. Two quite different programs, but both work well. Brian On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:22 AM, David Beazley wrote: > John, > > I used Screenflow to record the screen and audio from my laptop's built-in microphone. The audio would probably be a bit better with a proper mic to capture audience questions (and to decrease typing volume), but for speaker audio, it actually came out a lot better than I expected. So far as I know, you can also record your screen and audio using Quicktime. > > Cheers, > Dave > > >> >> From: John Jacobsen >> To: The Chicago Python Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Screencast of my RPython Talk >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >>> >>> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:30:57 -0600 >>> From: David Beazley >>> To: chicago at python.org >>> >>> >>> I have posted a video of my RPython talk from the January 12 meeting at : >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjnRLG8ATn4 >>> >>> This is a different video than the one recorded by video camera. Instead, it is a direct screen capture of my laptop along with a live audio track. If you don't mind the fact that you never see me or anyone else in the room, the slides and audio actually have pretty good clarity. >> >> This was actually a great way to view this talk (not to put down the other ChiPy videos which are also the Best Ever). Care to share how you did it (screencast software, etc.) in case others want to go down this road? >> >> John >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From brian at imagescape.com Tue Jan 31 17:05:18 2012 From: brian at imagescape.com (Brian Moloney) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:05:18 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Update: Chicago Djangonauts meetup, Wednesday February 1st 6:30pm Message-ID: Here is some more information on the Djangonauts presentation tomorrow. Remember to RSVP using one of the following options (so we can gauge our beer/pizza order): Facebook Event Page http://www.facebook.com/events/259435394127612/ Or you can RSVP through Imaginary's Contact Form: http://www.chicagodjango.com PRESENTATIONS Joe Jasinski "Introduction to RabbitMQ, Celery, Django-celery, basic task types, and monitoring. This will provide a walk-through of how to get started and be productive with these tools." Adam Jenkins: "I'm going to give an introductory talk about Django-nonrel and then take questions, show some code." Hope to see you there. (Best one ever!) Brian -- Brian J. Moloney Managing Partner Imaginary Landscape, LLC Web Design | Development | Strategy (877) 275-9144 toll free http://imagescape.com http://chicagodjango.com http://twitter.com/Brian_Moloney From jp at zavteq.com Tue Jan 31 17:50:30 2012 From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:50:30 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Screencast of my RPython Talk In-Reply-To: <501A6BD2-4311-4C23-9463-6A541EDD5C86@ANL.gov> References: <501A6BD2-4311-4C23-9463-6A541EDD5C86@ANL.gov> Message-ID: I've used Adobe connect, which is also nice, and hosted. JP On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Brian Toby wrote: > I have used Camtasia for screen/audio recording both from Windows and Mac. Two quite different programs, but both work well. > > Brian > > On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:22 AM, David Beazley wrote: > >> John, >> >> I used Screenflow to record the screen and audio from my laptop's built-in microphone. ? The audio would probably be a bit better with a proper mic to capture audience questions (and to decrease typing volume), but for speaker audio, it actually came out a lot better than I expected. ? So far as I know, you can also record your screen and audio using Quicktime. >> >> Cheers, >> Dave >> >> >>> >>> From: John Jacobsen >>> To: The Chicago Python Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Screencast of my RPython Talk >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>>> >>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:30:57 -0600 >>>> From: David Beazley >>>> To: chicago at python.org >>>> >>>> >>>> I have posted a video of my RPython talk from the January 12 meeting at : >>>> >>>> ? ? ? ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjnRLG8ATn4 >>>> >>>> This is a different video than the one recorded by video camera. ?Instead, it is a direct screen capture of my laptop along with a live audio track. ? ?If you don't mind the fact that you never see me or anyone else in the room, the slides and audio actually have pretty good clarity. >>> >>> This was actually a great way to view this talk (not to put down the other ChiPy videos which are also the Best Ever). ?Care to share how you did it (screencast software, etc.) in case others want to go down this road? >>> >>> John >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- JP Bader Principal Zavteq, Inc. @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com 608.692.2468