From matt at mattokeefe.com  Thu Aug  1 03:13:32 2013
From: matt at mattokeefe.com (Matt O'Keefe)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:13:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Testing in Production
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raXEKmXCGdbvCVE3FRU=uMc0TqCvWvk6c3CUzCZ5TOSQg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:20 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> I enjoyed the Q&A.
>
>
> http://gizmodo.com/q-a-with-the-chicago-tribune-editors-who-put-a-cat-on-t-968979032
>
> Benton got good coverage.
>
> btw, recently I discovered the lorem tag in django!
> On Jul 31, 2013 10:44 AM, "Brian Curtin" <brian at python.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://gizmodo.com/the-chicago-tribune-has-made-the-best-internet-mistake-964073520
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 23:07:11 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 16:07:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Next ChiPy August 1st Topics / Notes / Hypotheses
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38sFVU3rts+ckhzZGrWA_9ysTrT=O8eF2sGTRTLPkT6msQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sFVU3rts+ckhzZGrWA_9ysTrT=O8eF2sGTRTLPkT6msQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ+Z=P+5BF8GGjwvFTC3=V_HoFto=VpfLDfs9ypsbaycORmOOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Related to tonight's topic, saw this:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/a-summer-of-data-hacking-social-problems


Regards,
- Yarko


On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bring some topic love. Anyone want to to give a talk about something
> Python related? Whatcha working on? Watcha love? Watcha curious about?
> Let's talk about things "data science for social good" http://dssg.io will
> find interesting. We will have a spot for the 12 projects they are working
> on, as well.
>
> Also, please note three important things to take note:
>
>
>    1. This is downtown UofC office at 303 East Upper Wacker Drive, #2300
>    Chicago, IL 60601 Not at Hyde park.
>    2. This is the FIRST Thursday August 1st. There will be no meeting the
>    second Thursday this month.
>    3. This will be the best meeting ever (fact)
>
> Cheers, Brian
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 06:46:13 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 23:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever
Message-ID: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>

Great meeting. Thanks for everyone who came out for making it happen.

As promised, here is a down and dirty application form for our mentorship
program:


https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1afXfxEPWvUVAlCVIjDaNIeVISU8rdt6aOElQHHORjSM/viewform

If you are not already working on an assignment and you are an existing
mentee/mentor, please fill out this form and we will find something that
suits you.

Regards, Brian

-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From brianhingyenkung at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 06:47:31 2013
From: brianhingyenkung at gmail.com (Brian Kung)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 23:47:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJnazsV+tOKk7HuWjNjggMvuek+S6SSu1bj3zdsMSUDXoe-aLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Can I get more information about the mentorship program? I wasn't able to
make it out tonight, but I am very intrigued.

Best,
Brian


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great meeting. Thanks for everyone who came out for making it happen.
>
> As promised, here is a down and dirty application form for our mentorship
> program:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1afXfxEPWvUVAlCVIjDaNIeVISU8rdt6aOElQHHORjSM/viewform
>
> If you are not already working on an assignment and you are an existing
> mentee/mentor, please fill out this form and we will find something that
> suits you.
>
> Regards, Brian
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
Brian Kung
My Bio <https://www.vizify.com/briankung>
<http://www.facebook.com/brian.kung>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 06:51:31 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 23:51:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever
In-Reply-To: <CAJnazsV+tOKk7HuWjNjggMvuek+S6SSu1bj3zdsMSUDXoe-aLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJnazsV+tOKk7HuWjNjggMvuek+S6SSu1bj3zdsMSUDXoe-aLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38soQp6U7FrEMAOEGqrO=oE3wLiZoMx9cweaPZ1+foiQCQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Brian Kung <brianhingyenkung at gmail.com>wrote:

> Can I get more information about the mentorship program? I wasn't able to
> make it out tonight, but I am very intrigued.
>
> Best,
> Brian
>
>
>

Right now, we have one specific opening for our mentorship program. It is
to help implement some features on chipy.org website, a django site.

Also, we will find anyone who signs up some tasks on a mentorship program
the best fits what they are looking for. Fill out the form if you're
interested. Please contact me any time and let me know how it is going.



-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 13:00:14 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 06:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38soQp6U7FrEMAOEGqrO=oE3wLiZoMx9cweaPZ1+foiQCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJnazsV+tOKk7HuWjNjggMvuek+S6SSu1bj3zdsMSUDXoe-aLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38soQp6U7FrEMAOEGqrO=oE3wLiZoMx9cweaPZ1+foiQCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01woz=088_jkPpYydw2YvqUAX43Zh5TDb4Dmba5CzgHj7Tg@mail.gmail.com>

Another Brian wow!


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Brian Kung <brianhingyenkung at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Can I get more information about the mentorship program? I wasn't able to
>> make it out tonight, but I am very intrigued.
>>
>> Best,
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>
> Right now, we have one specific opening for our mentorship program. It is
> to help implement some features on chipy.org website, a django site.
>
> Also, we will find anyone who signs up some tasks on a mentorship program
> the best fits what they are looking for. Fill out the form if you're
> interested. Please contact me any time and let me know how it is going.
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 


Thanks,
Brian Herman
college.nfshost.com
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 13:01:26 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 06:01:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01woz=088_jkPpYydw2YvqUAX43Zh5TDb4Dmba5CzgHj7Tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJnazsV+tOKk7HuWjNjggMvuek+S6SSu1bj3zdsMSUDXoe-aLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38soQp6U7FrEMAOEGqrO=oE3wLiZoMx9cweaPZ1+foiQCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01woz=088_jkPpYydw2YvqUAX43Zh5TDb4Dmba5CzgHj7Tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wpwG5XiGfRi4B-LifvPfV-OSH5NZSa-L6OaTf9ehVzkRA@mail.gmail.com>

If there is a 5th Brian we should have a Brian get together. I'll pay and I
am serious.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Another Brian wow!
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Brian Kung <brianhingyenkung at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Can I get more information about the mentorship program? I wasn't able
>>> to make it out tonight, but I am very intrigued.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Right now, we have one specific opening for our mentorship program. It is
>> to help implement some features on chipy.org website, a django site.
>>
>> Also, we will find anyone who signs up some tasks on a mentorship program
>> the best fits what they are looking for. Fill out the form if you're
>> interested. Please contact me any time and let me know how it is going.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
> college.nfshost.com
>
>
>
>
>


-- 


Thanks,
Brian Herman
college.nfshost.com
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 13:05:38 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 06:05:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Pypy is now considerd ARMfull
Message-ID: <CAJD01wqweUWXBnw_MQpfyw-voembd0qBf6kuuapHwo_mr62tag@mail.gmail.com>

http://morepypy.blogspot.com/

-- 


Thanks,
Brian Herman
college.nfshost.com
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 14:20:47 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 07:20:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ihVAWiF6bH76LoPfhPEUPM5V2J9NDT1oW7AsDCCj71r4w@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry Brian, I tend to scan instead of read.  How does one become an
existing mentee?


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great meeting. Thanks for everyone who came out for making it happen.
>
> As promised, here is a down and dirty application form for our mentorship
> program:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1afXfxEPWvUVAlCVIjDaNIeVISU8rdt6aOElQHHORjSM/viewform
>
> If you are not already working on an assignment and you are an existing
> mentee/mentor, please fill out this form and we will find something that
> suits you.
>
> Regards, Brian
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 14:43:47 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 07:43:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=ihVAWiF6bH76LoPfhPEUPM5V2J9NDT1oW7AsDCCj71r4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=ihVAWiF6bH76LoPfhPEUPM5V2J9NDT1oW7AsDCCj71r4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FD916C19-6CB8-4D4A-AC68-B823AE877A08@gmail.com>

If your already being mentored and you don't have an assignment or a mentor or want a new one, fill out the form. Just indicate this on the form.

On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry Brian, I tend to scan instead of read.  How does one become an existing mentee?
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Great meeting. Thanks for everyone who came out for making it happen.
>> 
>> As promised, here is a down and dirty application form for our mentorship program:
>> 
>>   https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1afXfxEPWvUVAlCVIjDaNIeVISU8rdt6aOElQHHORjSM/viewform
>> 
>> If you are not already working on an assignment and you are an existing mentee/mentor, please fill out this form and we will find something that suits you.
>> 
>> Regards, Brian
>> 
>> -- 
>> Brian Ray 
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 17:28:51 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:28:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever
In-Reply-To: <FD916C19-6CB8-4D4A-AC68-B823AE877A08@gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=ihVAWiF6bH76LoPfhPEUPM5V2J9NDT1oW7AsDCCj71r4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<FD916C19-6CB8-4D4A-AC68-B823AE877A08@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=igrbM5djGpCYd157DXvJvcvtOPqLcJJW=Nt8WULd1ZtLg@mail.gmail.com>

I am not formally being mentored though Carl and Sheila as well as others
at Office Hours, OpenGov and Supreme Coders have been encouraging and
informative.  Is there an entry point for a newbee in the mentee range for
Django and version control?


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> If your already being mentored and you don't have an assignment or a
> mentor or want a new one, fill out the form. Just indicate this on the form.
>
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry Brian, I tend to scan instead of read.  How does one become an
> existing mentee?
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Great meeting. Thanks for everyone who came out for making it happen.
>>
>> As promised, here is a down and dirty application form for our mentorship
>> program:
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1afXfxEPWvUVAlCVIjDaNIeVISU8rdt6aOElQHHORjSM/viewform
>>
>> If you are not already working on an assignment and you are an existing
>> mentee/mentor, please fill out this form and we will find something that
>> suits you.
>>
>> Regards, Brian
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 18:11:32 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 11:11:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=igrbM5djGpCYd157DXvJvcvtOPqLcJJW=Nt8WULd1ZtLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=ihVAWiF6bH76LoPfhPEUPM5V2J9NDT1oW7AsDCCj71r4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<FD916C19-6CB8-4D4A-AC68-B823AE877A08@gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=igrbM5djGpCYd157DXvJvcvtOPqLcJJW=Nt8WULd1ZtLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wrSZAuWpj6LoreNV4FDGXiiOyrZcO4JdJ_6_XHuMr6-Fw@mail.gmail.com>

I could help you with git and svn if you need help with version control.
This is a good book: http://git-scm.com/book


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am not formally being mentored though Carl and Sheila as well as others
> at Office Hours, OpenGov and Supreme Coders have been encouraging and
> informative.  Is there an entry point for a newbee in the mentee range for
> Django and version control?
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If your already being mentored and you don't have an assignment or a
>> mentor or want a new one, fill out the form. Just indicate this on the form.
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry Brian, I tend to scan instead of read.  How does one become an
>> existing mentee?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Great meeting. Thanks for everyone who came out for making it happen.
>>>
>>> As promised, here is a down and dirty application form for our
>>> mentorship program:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1afXfxEPWvUVAlCVIjDaNIeVISU8rdt6aOElQHHORjSM/viewform
>>>
>>> If you are not already working on an assignment and you are an existing
>>> mentee/mentor, please fill out this form and we will find something that
>>> suits you.
>>>
>>> Regards, Brian
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brian Ray
>>> @brianray
>>> (773) 669-7717
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 


Thanks,
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From maney at two14.net  Fri Aug  2 22:10:15 2013
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 15:10:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wrSZAuWpj6LoreNV4FDGXiiOyrZcO4JdJ_6_XHuMr6-Fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=ihVAWiF6bH76LoPfhPEUPM5V2J9NDT1oW7AsDCCj71r4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<FD916C19-6CB8-4D4A-AC68-B823AE877A08@gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=igrbM5djGpCYd157DXvJvcvtOPqLcJJW=Nt8WULd1ZtLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01wrSZAuWpj6LoreNV4FDGXiiOyrZcO4JdJ_6_XHuMr6-Fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130802201015.GB2909@furrr.two14.net>

On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 11:11:32AM -0500, Brian Herman wrote:
> I could help you with git and svn if you need help with version control.
> This is a good book: http://git-scm.com/book

This blog post does a really nice job of explaining the mysterious
index.  I can't recall if Pro Git covers this essential bit of
infrastructure any better than the other books and documentation.  But
the index is actually the key to several common and useful techniques
for composing good commits even when you didn't know where you were
going when you started the day's work.  Which is really about 99% of
the time IME, since if you knew just what was needed that clearly it
was probably import this_magic_library and two or three lines of code,
not a day's work!

-- 
One discharges fancy homunculi from one's scheme
by organizing armies of idiots to do the work.  -- Dennett


From brianherman at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 22:24:04 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 15:24:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever
In-Reply-To: <20130802201015.GB2909@furrr.two14.net>
References: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=ihVAWiF6bH76LoPfhPEUPM5V2J9NDT1oW7AsDCCj71r4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<FD916C19-6CB8-4D4A-AC68-B823AE877A08@gmail.com>
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Did we miss a link or something? Where is the blog post?


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 11:11:32AM -0500, Brian Herman wrote:
> > I could help you with git and svn if you need help with version control.
> > This is a good book: http://git-scm.com/book
>
> This blog post does a really nice job of explaining the mysterious
> index.  I can't recall if Pro Git covers this essential bit of
> infrastructure any better than the other books and documentation.  But
> the index is actually the key to several common and useful techniques
> for composing good commits even when you didn't know where you were
> going when you started the day's work.  Which is really about 99% of
> the time IME, since if you knew just what was needed that clearly it
> was probably import this_magic_library and two or three lines of code,
> not a day's work!
>
> --
> One discharges fancy homunculi from one's scheme
> by organizing armies of idiots to do the work.  -- Dennett
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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Thanks,
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college.nfshost.com
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From maney at two14.net  Fri Aug  2 23:14:20 2013
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 16:14:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wrC=R7kUwKHwQjNwPuUbQhgG3usmfAi13FQUAcYU1OQdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbi9Dn5A4ejPe1nJy5jYmfVuyetog5nqpSCZO9V4t9rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=ihVAWiF6bH76LoPfhPEUPM5V2J9NDT1oW7AsDCCj71r4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<FD916C19-6CB8-4D4A-AC68-B823AE877A08@gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=igrbM5djGpCYd157DXvJvcvtOPqLcJJW=Nt8WULd1ZtLg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20130802211420.GC2909@furrr.two14.net>

On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 03:24:04PM -0500, Brian Herman wrote:
> Did we miss a link or something? Where is the blog post?

Right here in the cut buffer that I forgot to unload.  :-/

http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2007/12/08/limbo-why-users-are-more-error-prone-with-git-than-other-vcses/

And his other postings from that long-ago era when DVCS was still new
to so many may be entirely relevant still for those who have only
gotten to know one VCS so far:

http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/tag/vcses/

Six years is an eternity to the internet, but things haven't really
changed that much, have they?  :-)

-- 
One lesson I've learned from my years as Linux's hood ornament is that
there's something worse: some folks can't be content to just take things
too seriously on their own.  They're not happy unless they can convince
others to go along with their obsession.  -- Linus


From brianherman at gmail.com  Sat Aug  3 15:04:26 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 06:04:26 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Summarize an article with NLTK and one python script.
Message-ID: <CAJD01woanddr+zP7w5M==wnTPd+aeR9o9NzuuAc9FS0wS+xzOw@mail.gmail.com>

https://github.com/Rotten194/summarize.py

-- 


Thanks,
Brian Herman
college.nfshost.com
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Aug  4 22:51:36 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 15:51:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Args and kwargs explained.
Message-ID: <CAJD01wrW0aJqPv1YdyXbOwQ0ixnk9vtpJ+U8z+WYtyKeSbW_iA@mail.gmail.com>

http://freepythontips.wordpress.com/2013/08/04/args-and-kwargs-in-python-explained/

-- 


Thanks,
Brian Herman
college.nfshost.com
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From maney at two14.net  Mon Aug  5 22:20:17 2013
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:20:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Study projects
Message-ID: <20130805202017.GB30496@furrr.two14.net>


Learn Python the Hard Way: Do It.  Good idea!

https://github.com/zedshaw/lpthw-study-projects

-- 
Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh'er va ivbyngvba bs
gur Qvtvgny Zvyyraavhz Pbclevtug Npg.  -- anon.


From brianherman at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 22:38:26 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:38:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Study projects
In-Reply-To: <20130805202017.GB30496@furrr.two14.net>
References: <20130805202017.GB30496@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wpRTRn8eRd+jJm43x5HtA_-nFn9NoEqagCzNnSMGQHjuA@mail.gmail.com>

I like it!


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:

>
> Learn Python the Hard Way: Do It.  Good idea!
>
> https://github.com/zedshaw/lpthw-study-projects
>
> --
> Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh'er va ivbyngvba bs
> gur Qvtvgny Zvyyraavhz Pbclevtug Npg.  -- anon.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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Thanks,
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college.nfshost.com
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From labeledloser at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 16:23:47 2013
From: labeledloser at gmail.com (Hector Rios)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 09:23:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Study projects
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wpRTRn8eRd+jJm43x5HtA_-nFn9NoEqagCzNnSMGQHjuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130805202017.GB30496@furrr.two14.net>
	<CAJD01wpRTRn8eRd+jJm43x5HtA_-nFn9NoEqagCzNnSMGQHjuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+X0G_CzxA5P4Ar8_9wEHdXCE+N2wvoAEiiECXfGCg3TspMemQ@mail.gmail.com>

These are all excellent projects. By far, my best advice to any individual
wishing to learn python even more is to just try to make some task easier.
I found myself doing a lot of command line and Windows scripting with
Python, and loved every second of it.

Hector Rios
Web Developer

*No trees were killed to send this message, but a large number of electrons
were terribly inconvenienced.*


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like it!
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Learn Python the Hard Way: Do It.  Good idea!
>>
>> https://github.com/zedshaw/lpthw-study-projects
>>
>> --
>> Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh'er va ivbyngvba bs
>> gur Qvtvgny Zvyyraavhz Pbclevtug Npg.  -- anon.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
> college.nfshost.com
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 20:47:55 2013
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:47:55 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Leveraging Python (tutorial) Etc. in Chicago (Sept 2)
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3QoBfr0T-9CBQm2udDD5Ux7Dr3rdDEoWR_guNCCFEHrVw@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Chicagoans --

(spellchecker said "Chicagoite" was improper)

Most your know about Djangocon in Chicago, coming up immanently.  I was
recruited at the last minute to replace a CSS tutorial and, not being a
Djangonaut myself, I'm using the time to do more overview of the Python
ecosystem, with my usual focus on learning Python as a stepping stone
towards learning and teaching other subjects, not just math but including
math for sure.

http://www.djangocon.us/tutorials/

You can get tickets for any of these tutorials independently of registering
for the conference.  So if you've able to escape the day job on a Monday
(Sept 2), consider signing up.  I'm planning to make it somewhat BOF-like
(though more structured).  If other educators / teachers show up, we can
"eduSummitize" a bit (like at Pycon) i.e. continue brainstorming along the
lines of Guido's CP4E.

More in the write-up.

Kirby Urner
(a Portlander -- born in Chicago though)

Python Track Mentor
O'Reilly School of Technology / ORM
(based in Sebastopol, CA)
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 20:56:55 2013
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:56:55 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Leveraging Python (tutorial) Etc. in Chicago (Sept 2)
In-Reply-To: <CAPJgG3QoBfr0T-9CBQm2udDD5Ux7Dr3rdDEoWR_guNCCFEHrVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPJgG3QoBfr0T-9CBQm2udDD5Ux7Dr3rdDEoWR_guNCCFEHrVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3Q-AAvh3b24JttLjG0EU-bZf3ni5ro40S98Zt80Xio8iQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:47 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Greetings Chicagoans --
>
> (spellchecker said "Chicagoite" was improper)
>
> Most your know about Djangocon in Chicago, coming up immanently.
>

Dang.  "Most of you know about..."  (hate typos).

Just wanted to add:  if you do sign up for my tutorial, feel free to email
me ahead of time with more of your background and interests -- even if
we've already met and talked before.  Include any web sites you want me to
look at.

It'd be interesting for me, and I think for the session as a whole, if I
had better than average first-hand knowledge of who I'd be sharing with.  I
could customize more ahead of time.

My own stash of Python-related writings is mostly here:
4dsolutions.net/ocn/cp4e.html

Also, I don't know how many seats are available and probably there's
preference given to those attending the whole conference.  I encourage
prompt action.

I'll be linking to these same two posts from edu-sig (python.org), my usual
hangout.

Kirby
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From livne at uchicago.edu  Thu Aug  8 16:18:33 2013
From: livne at uchicago.edu (Oren Livne)
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 09:18:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] multiprocessing
Message-ID: <5203A8B9.1070401@uchicago.edu>

Dear All,

- If I spawn a multiprocessed python program and need to kill it in the 
middle of the run, how can I get rid of all the child python processes 
it spawns? They don't die when I kill the manager process. To
- If I print (with a lock) from within a process' function to stdout and 
flush stdout, I still don't see the printout until after the run 
completes. How can I see process printouts in real time?

Thanks
Oren

-- 
A person is just about as big as the things that make him angry.


From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Thu Aug  8 16:54:32 2013
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 22:54:32 +0800
Subject: [Chicago] Lightweight Async HTTP Client
Message-ID: <5203B128.9060209@threecrickets.com>

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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Aug  8 17:07:30 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:07:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] multiprocessing
In-Reply-To: <5203A8B9.1070401@uchicago.edu>
References: <5203A8B9.1070401@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSh04Kk0t+rz5dWzxnjox4AT2hFOSN=GppfbGTjOxxs0Kw@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds like a problem I had that a friend fixed, and I never
really bothered to look at what he did, it just worked so I merged his
code.

https://github.com/CarlFK/dvsmon/blob/master/dvs-mon.py

Feel free to ask questions about it, cuz maybe someone else can answer ;)

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Oren Livne <livne at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> - If I spawn a multiprocessed python program and need to kill it in the
> middle of the run, how can I get rid of all the child python processes it
> spawns? They don't die when I kill the manager process. To
> - If I print (with a lock) from within a process' function to stdout and
> flush stdout, I still don't see the printout until after the run completes.
> How can I see process printouts in real time?
>
> Thanks
> Oren
>
> --
> A person is just about as big as the things that make him angry.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



-- 
Carl K

From brant.sean at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 17:18:34 2013
From: brant.sean at gmail.com (Sean Brant)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:18:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Lightweight Async HTTP Client
In-Reply-To: <5203B128.9060209@threecrickets.com>
References: <5203B128.9060209@threecrickets.com>
Message-ID: <CAPNuhQxwox7ZYCjEJFWehz=gxjT_TE0ZVk4SzqwZ+eXdmHRFtQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://github.com/kennethreitz/grequests is good.


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

>  Can anybody recommend such a library?
>
> I know both Tornado and Twisted have good client libraries, but they are
> actually too heavy for this use case, because I really just need a client
> and not a server.
>
> Plot twist: Must work on Jython.
>
> -Tal
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 17:25:52 2013
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:25:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Lightweight Async HTTP Client
In-Reply-To: <CAPNuhQxwox7ZYCjEJFWehz=gxjT_TE0ZVk4SzqwZ+eXdmHRFtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5203B128.9060209@threecrickets.com>
	<CAPNuhQxwox7ZYCjEJFWehz=gxjT_TE0ZVk4SzqwZ+eXdmHRFtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKwoybj19NYVkhADrUu9euiTfh8d9reV9W3VdrQCAeJD75V2jQ@mail.gmail.com>

Highly recommend using a gevent or eventlet solution.


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Sean Brant <brant.sean at gmail.com> wrote:

> https://github.com/kennethreitz/grequests is good.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:
>
>>  Can anybody recommend such a library?
>>
>> I know both Tornado and Twisted have good client libraries, but they are
>> actually too heavy for this use case, because I really just need a client
>> and not a server.
>>
>> Plot twist: Must work on Jython.
>>
>> -Tal
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From thatmattbone at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 17:33:54 2013
From: thatmattbone at gmail.com (Matt Bone)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:33:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Lightweight Async HTTP Client
In-Reply-To: <CAKwoybj19NYVkhADrUu9euiTfh8d9reV9W3VdrQCAeJD75V2jQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5203B128.9060209@threecrickets.com>
	<CAPNuhQxwox7ZYCjEJFWehz=gxjT_TE0ZVk4SzqwZ+eXdmHRFtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKwoybj19NYVkhADrUu9euiTfh8d9reV9W3VdrQCAeJD75V2jQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG0VBHtKwvPftrJY_yb5Q8y=yEtm96VL_wwu-sqzsZBhsCPcXg@mail.gmail.com>

gevent, eventlet, and thus grequests or erequests will not work for
Tal because of his jython requirement.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
> Highly recommend using a gevent or eventlet solution.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Sean Brant <brant.sean at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://github.com/kennethreitz/grequests is good.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can anybody recommend such a library?
>>>
>>> I know both Tornado and Twisted have good client libraries, but they are
>>> actually too heavy for this use case, because I really just need a client
>>> and not a server.
>>>
>>> Plot twist: Must work on Jython.
>>>
>>> -Tal
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 17:37:39 2013
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:37:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Lightweight Async HTTP Client
In-Reply-To: <CAG0VBHtKwvPftrJY_yb5Q8y=yEtm96VL_wwu-sqzsZBhsCPcXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5203B128.9060209@threecrickets.com>
	<CAPNuhQxwox7ZYCjEJFWehz=gxjT_TE0ZVk4SzqwZ+eXdmHRFtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKwoybj19NYVkhADrUu9euiTfh8d9reV9W3VdrQCAeJD75V2jQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG0VBHtKwvPftrJY_yb5Q8y=yEtm96VL_wwu-sqzsZBhsCPcXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKwoybh_napjNDpYqQzTxdzvO7FXMNLRgYuHgf-ZQLUGquzH8w@mail.gmail.com>

Oh yeah, I should read the whole thing next time.


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Matt Bone <thatmattbone at gmail.com> wrote:

> gevent, eventlet, and thus grequests or erequests will not work for
> Tal because of his jython requirement.
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Highly recommend using a gevent or eventlet solution.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Sean Brant <brant.sean at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/kennethreitz/grequests is good.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Can anybody recommend such a library?
> >>>
> >>> I know both Tornado and Twisted have good client libraries, but they
> are
> >>> actually too heavy for this use case, because I really just need a
> client
> >>> and not a server.
> >>>
> >>> Plot twist: Must work on Jython.
> >>>
> >>> -Tal
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 18:21:34 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:21:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Lightweight Async HTTP Client
In-Reply-To: <CAKwoybh_napjNDpYqQzTxdzvO7FXMNLRgYuHgf-ZQLUGquzH8w@mail.gmail.com>
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http://www.jython.org/docs/library/asyncore.html ?


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:

> Oh yeah, I should read the whole thing next time.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Matt Bone <thatmattbone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> gevent, eventlet, and thus grequests or erequests will not work for
>> Tal because of his jython requirement.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Highly recommend using a gevent or eventlet solution.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Sean Brant <brant.sean at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/kennethreitz/grequests is good.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Can anybody recommend such a library?
>> >>>
>> >>> I know both Tornado and Twisted have good client libraries, but they
>> are
>> >>> actually too heavy for this use case, because I really just need a
>> client
>> >>> and not a server.
>> >>>
>> >>> Plot twist: Must work on Jython.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Tal
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Chicago mailing list
>> >>> Chicago at python.org
>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>
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>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From japhy at pearachute.com  Thu Aug  8 20:17:10 2013
From: japhy at pearachute.com (Japhy Bartlett)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 13:17:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Lightweight Async HTTP Client
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wpYv6k7SrGuGU1EwoaSk6UDny1FgAYkyFb89FBnuNY-xg@mail.gmail.com>
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tornado is pretty light.. the uncompressed full library is only 1.4M, and
splitting out the client code would actually not be insane if you needed to
shave it down further.  (and the client is pretty great, imo!)

maybe all moot though, as it looks like some people have gotten it working
under jython, but nothing official.


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.jython.org/docs/library/asyncore.html ?
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah, I should read the whole thing next time.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Matt Bone <thatmattbone at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> gevent, eventlet, and thus grequests or erequests will not work for
>>> Tal because of his jython requirement.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Highly recommend using a gevent or eventlet solution.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Sean Brant <brant.sean at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> https://github.com/kennethreitz/grequests is good.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Tal Liron <
>>> tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Can anybody recommend such a library?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I know both Tornado and Twisted have good client libraries, but they
>>> are
>>> >>> actually too heavy for this use case, because I really just need a
>>> client
>>> >>> and not a server.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Plot twist: Must work on Jython.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -Tal
>>> >>>
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> Chicago mailing list
>>> >>> Chicago at python.org
>>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>>
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>
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> Thanks,
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From livne at uchicago.edu  Fri Aug  9 13:34:05 2013
From: livne at uchicago.edu (Oren Livne)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 06:34:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] multiprocessing
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSh04Kk0t+rz5dWzxnjox4AT2hFOSN=GppfbGTjOxxs0Kw@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Carl,

Thanks so much! I was not sure hwo to run this program. Is this a 
standalone server that runs in the background? At any rate, I've been 
killing them manually for now. :)

Oren

On 8/8/2013 10:07 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> This sounds like a problem I had that a friend fixed, and I never
> really bothered to look at what he did, it just worked so I merged his
> code.
>
> https://github.com/CarlFK/dvsmon/blob/master/dvs-mon.py
>
> Feel free to ask questions about it, cuz maybe someone else can answer ;)
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Oren Livne <livne at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> - If I spawn a multiprocessed python program and need to kill it in the
>> middle of the run, how can I get rid of all the child python processes it
>> spawns? They don't die when I kill the manager process. To
>> - If I print (with a lock) from within a process' function to stdout and
>> flush stdout, I still don't see the printout until after the run completes.
>> How can I see process printouts in real time?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Oren
>>
>> --
>> A person is just about as big as the things that make him angry.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Aug  9 17:03:42 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:03:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
Message-ID: <CAHCs_raLdyCitGnfPv6W+NYqOfsXeM7uQfaiuLqnzmdBANAxGw@mail.gmail.com>

okay, I don't mind marketing email from continuum about wakari because it
comes very seldomly and usually has really cool stuff. I got this today:

http://continuum.io/blog/introducing-bundles

shiny!



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From jp at zavteq.com  Fri Aug  9 17:15:02 2013
From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:15:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raLdyCitGnfPv6W+NYqOfsXeM7uQfaiuLqnzmdBANAxGw@mail.gmail.com>
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Is this like a version of maven for Python?


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> okay, I don't mind marketing email from continuum about wakari because it
> comes very seldomly and usually has really cool stuff. I got this today:
>
> http://continuum.io/blog/introducing-bundles
>
> shiny!
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Aug  9 17:53:52 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:53:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
In-Reply-To: <CAOL2cRT5fzHsAjT=06X=iVCmFyo55CKHLCKs4nJ=kWkj176=yA@mail.gmail.com>
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No, but is there such a thing? Everyone hates on Java so much but I think
we have you beat with tools like maven. UNLESS there is a tool like maven
or ivy or something for python. That would be completely awesome. Please
tell me about it.

What this thing is actually is that you can make an ipython notebook, and
have a bunch of files and stuff, and share it with people... but I don't
think you can import it magically.

I vaguely recall bookmarking something to read about that though...
http://nbviewer.ipython.org/6011986 I haven't had a chance to read all of
that. It's on my radar because I want to be able to launch jobs that run
people's code related to their published papers because this is something
related to my job.

cheers!


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:15 AM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:

> Is this like a version of maven for Python?
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> okay, I don't mind marketing email from continuum about wakari because it
>> comes very seldomly and usually has really cool stuff. I got this today:
>>
>> http://continuum.io/blog/introducing-bundles
>>
>> shiny!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> JP Bader
> Principal
> Zavteq, Inc.
> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
> 608.692.2468
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Aug  9 17:55:35 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:55:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rZ=2awh3D7LnQbZohv7v91SL+YTn2rbnVY-DtrDSv7BOA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:53 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> I vaguely recall bookmarking something to read about that though...
> http://nbviewer.ipython.org/6011986 I haven't had a chance to read all of
> that. It's on my radar because I want to be able to launch jobs that run
> people's code related to their published papers because this is something
> related to my job.
>

so I think I will end up reusing any cool methods I find out there for
doing stuff like this (I'm sure they exist) or creating one and also
suggesting to bossen that wakari and people like them are good services to
use after I evaluate them. most likely. I haven't got to that stage yet.
still have other things on my plate.


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From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Aug  9 18:11:08 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:11:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] multiprocessing
In-Reply-To: <5204D3AD.2020308@uchicago.edu>
References: <5203A8B9.1070401@uchicago.edu>
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well, you run it like any other python program:

python dvs-mon.py

Not sure running it will help, you will need python-wxgtk2.8

It runs shell commands in subprocesses and redirects stdout and stderr
into wx text boxes.  I would just look at the code that deals with
that.



On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Oren Livne <livne at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Dear Carl,
>
> Thanks so much! I was not sure hwo to run this program. Is this a standalone
> server that runs in the background? At any rate, I've been killing them
> manually for now. :)
>
> Oren
>
>
> On 8/8/2013 10:07 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>>
>> This sounds like a problem I had that a friend fixed, and I never
>> really bothered to look at what he did, it just worked so I merged his
>> code.
>>
>> https://github.com/CarlFK/dvsmon/blob/master/dvs-mon.py
>>
>> Feel free to ask questions about it, cuz maybe someone else can answer ;)
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Oren Livne <livne at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> - If I spawn a multiprocessed python program and need to kill it in the
>>> middle of the run, how can I get rid of all the child python processes it
>>> spawns? They don't die when I kill the manager process. To
>>> - If I print (with a lock) from within a process' function to stdout and
>>> flush stdout, I still don't see the printout until after the run
>>> completes.
>>> How can I see process printouts in real time?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Oren
>>>
>>> --
>>> A person is just about as big as the things that make him angry.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> A person is just about as big as the things that make him angry.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



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From tottinge at gmail.com  Sat Aug 10 23:10:08 2013
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:10:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rZ=2awh3D7LnQbZohv7v91SL+YTn2rbnVY-DtrDSv7BOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raLdyCitGnfPv6W+NYqOfsXeM7uQfaiuLqnzmdBANAxGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOL2cRT5fzHsAjT=06X=iVCmFyo55CKHLCKs4nJ=kWkj176=yA@mail.gmail.com>
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Is the combination of virtualenv and pip not what you're looking for?



On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:53 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> No, but is there such a thing? Everyone hates on Java so much but I think
> we have you beat with tools like maven. UNLESS there is a tool like maven
> or ivy or something for python. That would be completely awesome. Please
> tell me about it.
>
> What this thing is actually is that you can make an ipython notebook, and
> have a bunch of files and stuff, and share it with people... but I don't
> think you can import it magically.
>
> I vaguely recall bookmarking something to read about that though...
> http://nbviewer.ipython.org/6011986 I haven't had a chance to read all of
> that. It's on my radar because I want to be able to launch jobs that run
> people's code related to their published papers because this is something
> related to my job.
>
> cheers!
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:15 AM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>
>> Is this like a version of maven for Python?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> okay, I don't mind marketing email from continuum about wakari because
>>> it comes very seldomly and usually has really cool stuff. I got this today:
>>>
>>> http://continuum.io/blog/introducing-bundles
>>>
>>> shiny!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> sheila
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> JP Bader
>> Principal
>> Zavteq, Inc.
>> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
>> 608.692.2468
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> sheila
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From brian at python.org  Sun Aug 11 00:16:39 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:16:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
In-Reply-To: <CAN2NStkXR7dQBfeQh63OgaJs3c6LXEjkrbMk7_Ez+jvzVi1jSA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is the combination of virtualenv and pip not what you're looking for?

Do virtualenv or pip work for IPython notebooks?

From brianherman at gmail.com  Sat Aug 10 23:58:53 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:58:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
In-Reply-To: <CAN2NStkXR7dQBfeQh63OgaJs3c6LXEjkrbMk7_Ez+jvzVi1jSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raLdyCitGnfPv6W+NYqOfsXeM7uQfaiuLqnzmdBANAxGw@mail.gmail.com>
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I am confused what these packages actually have over virtual env and pip.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is the combination of virtualenv and pip not what you're looking for?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:53 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> No, but is there such a thing? Everyone hates on Java so much but I think
>> we have you beat with tools like maven. UNLESS there is a tool like maven
>> or ivy or something for python. That would be completely awesome. Please
>> tell me about it.
>>
>> What this thing is actually is that you can make an ipython notebook, and
>> have a bunch of files and stuff, and share it with people... but I don't
>> think you can import it magically.
>>
>> I vaguely recall bookmarking something to read about that though...
>> http://nbviewer.ipython.org/6011986 I haven't had a chance to read all
>> of that. It's on my radar because I want to be able to launch jobs that run
>> people's code related to their published papers because this is something
>> related to my job.
>>
>> cheers!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:15 AM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is this like a version of maven for Python?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> okay, I don't mind marketing email from continuum about wakari because
>>>> it comes very seldomly and usually has really cool stuff. I got this today:
>>>>
>>>> http://continuum.io/blog/introducing-bundles
>>>>
>>>> shiny!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> sheila
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> JP Bader
>>> Principal
>>> Zavteq, Inc.
>>> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
>>> 608.692.2468
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>>
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>>
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>
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 00:23:31 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:23:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
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http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15923789/can-i-package-the-ipython-notebook-dependencies-and-additional-modules
Hmm it seems you need virtualenv wrapper for this.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is the combination of virtualenv and pip not what you're looking for?
>
> Do virtualenv or pip work for IPython notebooks?
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From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Aug 11 07:03:09 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:03:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
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On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is the combination of virtualenv and pip not what you're looking for?
>
> Do virtualenv or pip work for IPython notebooks?

They do, this works as expected:
$ mkvirtualenv test
(test) $ pip install -r requirements.txt
(test) $ ipython notebook

But that doesn't solve the problem of easy distribution.
The root of this problem is the python thing (app, project, ..thing!)
distribution problem that pip/ve help with, but still are not what you
can get out of java land.  (assuming I understand what everyone is
talking about.)

To use pip/ve do these steps:
development box:
1. os, python version,
2. mkvirtualenv (maybe --site-packages) pip install stuff  (which may
need the compiler tool chain installed, which may require header files
or something - or do what I do and apt-get install anything that pip
is going to try to build)
3 .develop python thing,
4.  create requirements.txt.

to use python thing on another box:
production box:
1. os, python version,
2. mkvirtualenv (maybe --site-packages) pip install -r
requirements.txt  (which may need the compiler tool chain installed,
which may require header files or something - or do what I do and
apt-get install anything that pip is going to try to build)
3. use python thing.


>From what I understand of the java world:
development box:
1. os, java version,
2. similar stuff as #2 for python.
3. develop java thing
4. create jar (maybe more work than creating requirements.txt... but not much)

to use java thing on another box:
production box:
1. os, java version,
2. copy the jar onto the box.
3. use jar.

So the java development process is more work, but the deployment is
less, and about as simple as you can get.

Yes, there are ways of automating the python deployment process, which
reduces the deployment time and makes it more repeatable, but I don't
think the current tools (fabric, chef..) can be used to do anything a
simple as "copy the jar."


But but, going back to ipython notebook, it may not matter.  if 80% of
the time the person using the python thing wants source code and a
development environment, then they are going to have to setup a
development environment.

-- 
Carl K

From ken at stox.org  Sun Aug 11 07:39:31 2013
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth Stox)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:39:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
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On Sun, 2013-08-11 at 00:03 -0500, Carl Karsten wrote:
> Yes, there are ways of automating the python deployment process, which
> reduces the deployment time and makes it more repeatable, but I don't
> think the current tools (fabric, chef..) can be used to do anything a
> simple as "copy the jar."

You folks might find this of interest:

http://continuum.io/blog/introducing-bundles




From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Aug 11 08:55:13 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 01:55:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
In-Reply-To: <1376199571.17513.1.camel@cerebrus>
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On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Kenneth Stox <ken at stox.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 2013-08-11 at 00:03 -0500, Carl Karsten wrote:
>> Yes, there are ways of automating the python deployment process, which
>> reduces the deployment time and makes it more repeatable, but I don't
>> think the current tools (fabric, chef..) can be used to do anything a
>> simple as "copy the jar."
>
> You folks might find this of interest:
>
> http://continuum.io/blog/introducing-bundles
>
>

That's looking kinda cool, but one key thing I don't understand:

 Bundles shared on Wakari have access to all of the packages installed
in Anaconda.

What is Wakari and Anaconda?

>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



-- 
Carl K

From shekay at pobox.com  Sun Aug 11 17:12:54 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:12:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
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On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Kenneth Stox <ken at stox.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2013-08-11 at 00:03 -0500, Carl Karsten wrote:
> >> Yes, there are ways of automating the python deployment process, which
> >> reduces the deployment time and makes it more repeatable, but I don't
> >> think the current tools (fabric, chef..) can be used to do anything a
> >> simple as "copy the jar."
> >
> > You folks might find this of interest:
> >
> > http://continuum.io/blog/introducing-bundles
> >
> >
>
> That's looking kinda cool, but one key thing I don't understand:
>

One thing I don't understand is why didn't he notice that was the url that
started this entire thread? also, I regret using package in my subject
line. that word is just overloaded.



>  Bundles shared on Wakari have access to all of the packages installed
> in Anaconda.
>
> What is Wakari and Anaconda?
>

Wakari is a platform as a service provided by Enthought (the kickass
company) who provides Anaconda as a python distribution that has batteries
included for ipython, etc.


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From shekay at pobox.com  Sun Aug 11 17:21:07 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:21:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
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I have been using pip and virtualenv for a while now, but they seem
clunkier to me than the build/dependency-grabbing/deploy ecosystem of java.
I will admit it could be due to me being more familiar with that ecosystem
than the python one. Except for the deployment ecosystem. One install's and
compiles on production machines (psycopg2) rather than fetching packages?

I'm happier now that I know you can set up your own pypi server which can
also hit the file system.

Btw, I get annoyed at the java ecosystem too, including build and
deployment crap. Really, this is a bunch of choices people make that happen
to move annoyances around.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is the combination of virtualenv and pip not what you're looking for?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:53 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> No, but is there such a thing? Everyone hates on Java so much but I think
>> we have you beat with tools like maven. UNLESS there is a tool like maven
>> or ivy or something for python. That would be completely awesome. Please
>> tell me about it.
>>
>
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From mtobis at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 20:43:33 2013
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:43:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
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Wakari and Anaconda are not Enthought's product, they are Continuum's,
which is Travis Oliphant's company. Both are based here in Austin.

mt



On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 10:21 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> I have been using pip and virtualenv for a while now, but they seem clunkier
> to me than the build/dependency-grabbing/deploy ecosystem of java. I will
> admit it could be due to me being more familiar with that ecosystem than the
> python one. Except for the deployment ecosystem. One install's and compiles
> on production machines (psycopg2) rather than fetching packages?
>
> I'm happier now that I know you can set up your own pypi server which can
> also hit the file system.
>
> Btw, I get annoyed at the java ecosystem too, including build and deployment
> crap. Really, this is a bunch of choices people make that happen to move
> annoyances around.
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is the combination of virtualenv and pip not what you're looking for?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:53 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> No, but is there such a thing? Everyone hates on Java so much but I think
>>> we have you beat with tools like maven. UNLESS there is a tool like maven or
>>> ivy or something for python. That would be completely awesome. Please tell
>>> me about it.
>
>
> --
> sheila
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From orblivion at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 20:21:20 2013
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:21:20 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Urban Sustainability Apps Competition
Message-ID: <CAAWRcS9atrXOBd_k04z+qJkAF1AaOZ=na0dbE6Yj9yPnEU-ehw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

A friend of a friend is involved in running an urban sustainability apps
competition, put on by an organization called the Center for Neighborhood
Technology. I remember Random Hacks of Kindness got some interest here, and
this seems similar in nature. I'm not in Chicago anymore, but I thought you
guys might want to check it out.

Cheers,

-Dan

-----------

Here's the run-down:


What: Urban Sustainability Apps Competition

When: Tuesdays in October and a final round October 18th, 19th and 20th

Where: Tuesday meetings at 1871 (Merchandise Mart floor 12), final round at
TechNexus (20 N. Wacker Drive)

Why: To create apps and website that make low-to-moderate income Chicago
neighborhoods greener, more livable and more affordable

Cost: Free!

Sign-up: http://cntapps.splashthat.com/





Chicago's own neighborhood think tank, the Center for Neighborhood
Technology (CNT), is putting together an Urban Sustainability Apps
Competition. CNT is connecting community activists with coders, developers
and designers to come up with technological solutions for Chicago's
low-to-moderate income neighborhoods. Winners' creations--mobile apps,
websites and other tech tools--will reveal hidden economic assets, green
the neighborhood and make life easier, more livable and more fun.



Are you a community activist who's creative and knows the needs and assets
of your neighborhood? Are you a tech whiz who wants to make Chicago's
neighborhoods greener, more livable and more affordable? CNT wants you!



Teams will form at the digital startup incubator 1871 Tuesday evenings in
October. Then, October 18th-20th, teams will get their product ready to
pitch at TechNexus to a team of judges that includes Rayid Ghani, tech
genius and Chief Data Scientist for the 2012 Obama Campaign.



Winners are invited to pitch their new tool at CNT's 35th anniversary
Reinventing Chicago party at Red Frog Events on October 24th, and to
compete in the City of Chicago's championship apps competition in November.



Space is limited so sign up now at:         http://cntapps.splashthat.com/



If you've got questions, send a note to Edward Oser at eoser<at>cnt.org



Here's the schedule:



Tuesdays in October (Oct. 1st, 8th, 15th): 1871, 222 W. Merchandise Mart
Plaza, Floor 12



Start forming your groups and developing your ideas early! Free food and
drinks!



Friday-Sunday, October 18th-20th: TechNexus, 20 North Wacker Drive



Friday, October 18th: Celebrate the event kick-off at 7pm with food and
drinks.



Saturday, October 19th: Spend the day developing your platform. Breakfast,
lunch, and dinner will be served while you work.



Sunday, October 20th: Present your team's new tool to our guest judges from
leading tech and community organizations. Brunch at 10am | Presentations,
judging, and awards at 2pm



For more information about CNT, check out www.cnt.org to learn about 35
years of urban sustainability
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From ken at stox.org  Sun Aug 11 21:01:26 2013
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth Stox)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:01:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
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	<CADmzSSgGpZXhebWBU76ikzXk=AU=xOiYymP8eM_E5mw1pAYE2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_raASmFcwmJ4YXCLLXLUZArVNrq7AbVQVg-LLE6-2vvG2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1376247686.17513.2.camel@cerebrus>

On Sun, 2013-08-11 at 10:12 -0500, sheila miguez wrote:

> One thing I don't understand is why didn't he notice that was the url that
> started this entire thread? also, I regret using package in my subject
> line. that word is just overloaded.

OK, now I feel like an idiot. I'll go sit in the corner now.


From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 21:35:48 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:35:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
In-Reply-To: <CAKY89MW+=4ioSDNgm3o08XJKrxuEmHzr9WtMpLo5jbf9d1+G1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raLdyCitGnfPv6W+NYqOfsXeM7uQfaiuLqnzmdBANAxGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOL2cRT5fzHsAjT=06X=iVCmFyo55CKHLCKs4nJ=kWkj176=yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rZ=2awh3D7LnQbZohv7v91SL+YTn2rbnVY-DtrDSv7BOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN2NStkXR7dQBfeQh63OgaJs3c6LXEjkrbMk7_Ez+jvzVi1jSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rbZFz8O4XfbctmxnuMtdaF-aAYgSyVMi2j7=fgiaBOY1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY89MW+=4ioSDNgm3o08XJKrxuEmHzr9WtMpLo5jbf9d1+G1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wojg44KJXTCgsW5i1Kih-SekrB72Cmq_Bxs9dxzgmkX-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Oh I see you can do everything through the web browser neat.


On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Michael Tobis <mtobis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wakari and Anaconda are not Enthought's product, they are Continuum's,
> which is Travis Oliphant's company. Both are based here in Austin.
>
> mt
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 10:21 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have been using pip and virtualenv for a while now, but they seem
> clunkier
> > to me than the build/dependency-grabbing/deploy ecosystem of java. I will
> > admit it could be due to me being more familiar with that ecosystem than
> the
> > python one. Except for the deployment ecosystem. One install's and
> compiles
> > on production machines (psycopg2) rather than fetching packages?
> >
> > I'm happier now that I know you can set up your own pypi server which can
> > also hit the file system.
> >
> > Btw, I get annoyed at the java ecosystem too, including build and
> deployment
> > crap. Really, this is a bunch of choices people make that happen to move
> > annoyances around.
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is the combination of virtualenv and pip not what you're looking for?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:53 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> No, but is there such a thing? Everyone hates on Java so much but I
> think
> >>> we have you beat with tools like maven. UNLESS there is a tool like
> maven or
> >>> ivy or something for python. That would be completely awesome. Please
> tell
> >>> me about it.
> >
> >
> > --
> > sheila
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Aug 12 00:09:39 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:09:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] shared ipynb packages
In-Reply-To: <CAKY89MW+=4ioSDNgm3o08XJKrxuEmHzr9WtMpLo5jbf9d1+G1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raLdyCitGnfPv6W+NYqOfsXeM7uQfaiuLqnzmdBANAxGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOL2cRT5fzHsAjT=06X=iVCmFyo55CKHLCKs4nJ=kWkj176=yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rZ=2awh3D7LnQbZohv7v91SL+YTn2rbnVY-DtrDSv7BOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN2NStkXR7dQBfeQh63OgaJs3c6LXEjkrbMk7_Ez+jvzVi1jSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rbZFz8O4XfbctmxnuMtdaF-aAYgSyVMi2j7=fgiaBOY1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY89MW+=4ioSDNgm3o08XJKrxuEmHzr9WtMpLo5jbf9d1+G1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_raabNZP_o9Bw8W28A2GOv2G2BSRs+QsM5YuJ6MeJVu4eA@mail.gmail.com>

Doh. I feel like an idiot now.


On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Michael Tobis <mtobis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wakari and Anaconda are not Enthought's product, they are Continuum's,
> which is Travis Oliphant's company. Both are based here in Austin.
>
> mt
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 10:21 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have been using pip and virtualenv for a while now, but they seem
> clunkier
> > to me than the build/dependency-grabbing/deploy ecosystem of java. I will
> > admit it could be due to me being more familiar with that ecosystem than
> the
> > python one. Except for the deployment ecosystem. One install's and
> compiles
> > on production machines (psycopg2) rather than fetching packages?
> >
> > I'm happier now that I know you can set up your own pypi server which can
> > also hit the file system.
> >
> > Btw, I get annoyed at the java ecosystem too, including build and
> deployment
> > crap. Really, this is a bunch of choices people make that happen to move
> > annoyances around.
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is the combination of virtualenv and pip not what you're looking for?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:53 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> No, but is there such a thing? Everyone hates on Java so much but I
> think
> >>> we have you beat with tools like maven. UNLESS there is a tool like
> maven or
> >>> ivy or something for python. That would be completely awesome. Please
> tell
> >>> me about it.
> >
> >
> > --
> > sheila
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 00:04:56 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:04:56 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Urban Sustainability Apps Competition
In-Reply-To: <CAAWRcS9atrXOBd_k04z+qJkAF1AaOZ=na0dbE6Yj9yPnEU-ehw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAWRcS9atrXOBd_k04z+qJkAF1AaOZ=na0dbE6Yj9yPnEU-ehw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+bBtYD7E5arXhZ2N6xXr61HYVckaq-DF5UTKxt6Kwun0Q@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for posting this, looks really cool.

On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Dan Krol <orblivion at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> A friend of a friend is involved in running an urban sustainability apps
> competition, put on by an organization called the Center for Neighborhood
> Technology. I remember Random Hacks of Kindness got some interest here, and
> this seems similar in nature. I'm not in Chicago anymore, but I thought you
> guys might want to check it out.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Dan
>
> -----------
>
> Here's the run-down:
>
>
> What: Urban Sustainability Apps Competition
>
> When: Tuesdays in October and a final round October 18th, 19th and 20th
>
> Where: Tuesday meetings at 1871 (Merchandise Mart floor 12), final round
> at TechNexus (20 N. Wacker Drive)
>
> Why: To create apps and website that make low-to-moderate income Chicago
> neighborhoods greener, more livable and more affordable
>
> Cost: Free!
>
> Sign-up: http://cntapps.splashthat.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> Chicago's own neighborhood think tank, the Center for Neighborhood
> Technology (CNT), is putting together an Urban Sustainability Apps
> Competition. CNT is connecting community activists with coders, developers
> and designers to come up with technological solutions for Chicago's
> low-to-moderate income neighborhoods. Winners' creations--mobile apps,
> websites and other tech tools--will reveal hidden economic assets, green
> the neighborhood and make life easier, more livable and more fun.
>
>
>
> Are you a community activist who's creative and knows the needs and assets
> of your neighborhood? Are you a tech whiz who wants to make Chicago's
> neighborhoods greener, more livable and more affordable? CNT wants you!
>
>
>
> Teams will form at the digital startup incubator 1871 Tuesday evenings in
> October. Then, October 18th-20th, teams will get their product ready to
> pitch at TechNexus to a team of judges that includes Rayid Ghani, tech
> genius and Chief Data Scientist for the 2012 Obama Campaign.
>
>
>
> Winners are invited to pitch their new tool at CNT's 35th anniversary
> Reinventing Chicago party at Red Frog Events on October 24th, and to
> compete in the City of Chicago's championship apps competition in November.
>
>
>
> Space is limited so sign up now at:         http://cntapps.splashthat.com/
>
>
>
> If you've got questions, send a note to Edward Oser at eoser<at>cnt.org
>
>
>
> Here's the schedule:
>
>
>
> Tuesdays in October (Oct. 1st, 8th, 15th): 1871, 222 W. Merchandise Mart
> Plaza, Floor 12
>
>
>
> Start forming your groups and developing your ideas early! Free food and
> drinks!
>
>
>
> Friday-Sunday, October 18th-20th: TechNexus, 20 North Wacker Drive
>
>
>
> Friday, October 18th: Celebrate the event kick-off at 7pm with food and
> drinks.
>
>
>
> Saturday, October 19th: Spend the day developing your platform. Breakfast,
> lunch, and dinner will be served while you work.
>
>
>
> Sunday, October 20th: Present your team's new tool to our guest judges
> from leading tech and community organizations. Brunch at 10am |
> Presentations, judging, and awards at 2pm
>
>
>
> For more information about CNT, check out www.cnt.org to learn about 35
> years of urban sustainability
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From dnfehrenbach at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 04:10:44 2013
From: dnfehrenbach at gmail.com (Daniel Fehrenbach)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:10:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Urban Sustainability Apps Competition
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+bBtYD7E5arXhZ2N6xXr61HYVckaq-DF5UTKxt6Kwun0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAWRcS9atrXOBd_k04z+qJkAF1AaOZ=na0dbE6Yj9yPnEU-ehw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+bBtYD7E5arXhZ2N6xXr61HYVckaq-DF5UTKxt6Kwun0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAATXiXJr3mKknhmyQ_f3cEb6Tgb+FjMAF0tNsrFNnu4GfxKyCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Couldn't pass up being the third Dan to post on this. I work at the Center
For Neighborhood Technology as a developer and I'm working with the
organizers to get this together. It would be really great to see some
Chicago Python folks involved.  The earlier email lays out the details
pretty well but if you have any specific questions let me know.

thanks
Dan


On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:

> thanks for posting this, looks really cool.
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Dan Krol <orblivion at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> A friend of a friend is involved in running an urban sustainability apps
>> competition, put on by an organization called the Center for Neighborhood
>> Technology. I remember Random Hacks of Kindness got some interest here, and
>> this seems similar in nature. I'm not in Chicago anymore, but I thought you
>> guys might want to check it out.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> -----------
>>
>> Here's the run-down:
>>
>>
>> What: Urban Sustainability Apps Competition
>>
>> When: Tuesdays in October and a final round October 18th, 19th and 20th
>>
>> Where: Tuesday meetings at 1871 (Merchandise Mart floor 12), final round
>> at TechNexus (20 N. Wacker Drive)
>>
>> Why: To create apps and website that make low-to-moderate income Chicago
>> neighborhoods greener, more livable and more affordable
>>
>> Cost: Free!
>>
>> Sign-up: http://cntapps.splashthat.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chicago's own neighborhood think tank, the Center for Neighborhood
>> Technology (CNT), is putting together an Urban Sustainability Apps
>> Competition. CNT is connecting community activists with coders, developers
>> and designers to come up with technological solutions for Chicago's
>> low-to-moderate income neighborhoods. Winners' creations--mobile apps,
>> websites and other tech tools--will reveal hidden economic assets, green
>> the neighborhood and make life easier, more livable and more fun.
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you a community activist who's creative and knows the needs and
>> assets of your neighborhood? Are you a tech whiz who wants to make
>> Chicago's neighborhoods greener, more livable and more affordable? CNT
>> wants you!
>>
>>
>>
>> Teams will form at the digital startup incubator 1871 Tuesday evenings in
>> October. Then, October 18th-20th, teams will get their product ready to
>> pitch at TechNexus to a team of judges that includes Rayid Ghani, tech
>> genius and Chief Data Scientist for the 2012 Obama Campaign.
>>
>>
>>
>> Winners are invited to pitch their new tool at CNT's 35th anniversary
>> Reinventing Chicago party at Red Frog Events on October 24th, and to
>> compete in the City of Chicago's championship apps competition in November.
>>
>>
>>
>> Space is limited so sign up now at:
>> http://cntapps.splashthat.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> If you've got questions, send a note to Edward Oser at eoser<at>cnt.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's the schedule:
>>
>>
>>
>> Tuesdays in October (Oct. 1st, 8th, 15th): 1871, 222 W. Merchandise Mart
>> Plaza, Floor 12
>>
>>
>>
>> Start forming your groups and developing your ideas early! Free food and
>> drinks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Friday-Sunday, October 18th-20th: TechNexus, 20 North Wacker Drive
>>
>>
>>
>> Friday, October 18th: Celebrate the event kick-off at 7pm with food and
>> drinks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Saturday, October 19th: Spend the day developing your platform.
>> Breakfast, lunch, and dinner will be served while you work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sunday, October 20th: Present your team's new tool to our guest judges
>> from leading tech and community organizations. Brunch at 10am |
>> Presentations, judging, and awards at 2pm
>>
>>
>>
>> For more information about CNT, check out www.cnt.org to learn about 35
>> years of urban sustainability
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From livne at uchicago.edu  Tue Aug 13 17:13:44 2013
From: livne at uchicago.edu (Oren Livne)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:13:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] multiprocessing map input object creation
Message-ID: <520A4D28.6030101@uchicago.edu>

Dear All,

I have 20,000 small IbdProblem objects that I'd like to pass to a 
process pool. Even though I'm passing a generator expression to 
pool.map, it seems that it hangs for a long time before starting to send 
them to processes. Maybe all IbdProblem objects are created before 
processes start working on them. Is that how multiprocessing behaves, or 
maybe I am missing why it hangs? Is it possible to avoid this and only 
create each IbdProblem object before it's sent to a process?

Thanks,
Oren

         manager = Manager()
         lock = manager.Lock()
         po = Pool(processes=options.num_processes)
         res = po.map(process_pair, ((IbdProblem(problem, hap1, hap2, 
None, params), options, lock)
                                     for hap1, hap2 in 
read_pairs(input_file)))

-- 
A person is just about as big as the things that make him angry.


From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 20:25:18 2013
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:25:18 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Job opening: Python teacher / O'Reilly School of
	Technology
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3QaGy+XPvOo9nTtJchOQnbmEULX3Y1p8z0CVndvxaf-og@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a job opening at O'Reilly like the one I started in, and which
eventually became full time.

http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=q319VfwS&jvi=oGQLXfwY,job

I'm spreading news of it on lists where I already know we have talented
people who might be looking for something part time that uses their Python
skills.

You don't have to relocate.  I work in coffee shops, not just in my home
office.

Kirby

PS:  my tutorial at Djangocon next Sept 2 is just starting to get people.
Here's a link to that again as well:

http://www.djangocon.us/tutorials/
(you don't have to sign for the whole conference if you just want to do a
tutorial)
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From livne at uchicago.edu  Tue Aug 13 22:42:38 2013
From: livne at uchicago.edu (Oren Livne)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:42:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] multiprocessing map input object creation
In-Reply-To: <520A4D28.6030101@uchicago.edu>
References: <520A4D28.6030101@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <520A9A3E.5020304@uchicago.edu>

Solution: pool.imap()

On 08/13/2013 10:13 AM, Oren Livne wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I have 20,000 small IbdProblem objects that I'd like to pass to a 
> process pool. Even though I'm passing a generator expression to 
> pool.map, it seems that it hangs for a long time before starting to 
> send them to processes. Maybe all IbdProblem objects are created 
> before processes start working on them. Is that how multiprocessing 
> behaves, or maybe I am missing why it hangs? Is it possible to avoid 
> this and only create each IbdProblem object before it's sent to a 
> process?
>
> Thanks,
> Oren
>
>         manager = Manager()
>         lock = manager.Lock()
>         po = Pool(processes=options.num_processes)
>         res = po.map(process_pair, ((IbdProblem(problem, hap1, hap2, 
> None, params), options, lock)
>                                     for hap1, hap2 in 
> read_pairs(input_file)))
>


From brianherman at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 22:08:18 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:08:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Anyone heard of this?
Message-ID: <CAJD01woMR_dsb9kyFFRs70EwBggwng+7ZfB1b2A4HmKJWuSinw@mail.gmail.com>

Python is a popular dynamic language with a large part of its appeal coming
from powerful libraries and extension modules. These augment the language
and make it a productive environment for a wide variety of tasks, ranging
from web development (Django) to numerical analysis (NumPy). Unfortunately,
Python's performance is quite poor when compared to modern implementations
of languages such as Lua and JavaScript.
Why does Python lag so far behind these other languages? As we show, the
very same API and extension libraries that make Python a powerful language
also make it very difficult to efficiently execute. Given that we want to
retain access to the great extension libraries that already exist for
Python, how fast can we make it?
To evaluate this, we designed and implemented Falcon, a high-performance
bytecode interpreter fully compatible with the standard CPython
interpreter. Falcon applies a number of well known optimizations and
introduces several new techniques to speed up execution of Python bytecode.
In our evaluation, we found Falcon an average of 25% faster than the
standard Python interpreter on most benchmarks and in some cases about 2.5X
faster.

from: http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.6047

-- 


Thanks,
Brian Herman
college.nfshost.com
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 22:42:20 2013
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:42:20 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Anyone heard of this?
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01woMR_dsb9kyFFRs70EwBggwng+7ZfB1b2A4HmKJWuSinw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJD01woMR_dsb9kyFFRs70EwBggwng+7ZfB1b2A4HmKJWuSinw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3TCx6kKKy+qZoom=e4ZCDZgxwwAkXn-LVv_wqAJWRiSbg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Python is a popular dynamic language with a large part of its appeal
> coming from powerful libraries and extension modules. These augment the
> language and make it a productive environment for a wide variety of tasks,
> ranging from web development (Django) to numerical analysis (NumPy).
> Unfortunately, Python's performance is quite poor when compared to modern
> implementations of languages such as Lua and JavaScript. [ CITATION NEEDED
> <--- as they say in Wikipedia ]
>
>
I'd say a footnote to a bunch of benchmark studies right here would do this
advertisement a world of good.

Python is in a performance niche that's true, and can't be seen as a race
horse in all races.

Actually closer to the truth is Python-the-jockey rides atop several horses
(VMs) rather successfully, with more horses to come most probably.

But why are we talking about Lua in particular and not Erlang?   Weird.

Kirby
PPUG
(Python's Portland User Group)

(URL re our latest meeting:
http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2013/08/ppug-2013813.html
-- adding picture now...
)
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From japhy at pearachute.com  Thu Aug 15 23:48:13 2013
From: japhy at pearachute.com (Japhy Bartlett)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:48:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Anyone heard of this?
In-Reply-To: <CAPJgG3TCx6kKKy+qZoom=e4ZCDZgxwwAkXn-LVv_wqAJWRiSbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJD01woMR_dsb9kyFFRs70EwBggwng+7ZfB1b2A4HmKJWuSinw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPJgG3TCx6kKKy+qZoom=e4ZCDZgxwwAkXn-LVv_wqAJWRiSbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANTsVHLiWC1Buuxx2VmjnCKdkVGRqj8NTJGwmJRoQj7HDfz8Lw@mail.gmail.com>

There's better info on it at in their github (
https://github.com/rjpower/falcon), and it looks like it's still under
heavy development, but it's interesting!  Someone try it out and give us
some independent benchmarks.

- Japhy


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Python is a popular dynamic language with a large part of its appeal
>> coming from powerful libraries and extension modules. These augment the
>> language and make it a productive environment for a wide variety of tasks,
>> ranging from web development (Django) to numerical analysis (NumPy).
>> Unfortunately, Python's performance is quite poor when compared to modern
>> implementations of languages such as Lua and JavaScript. [ CITATION NEEDED
>> <--- as they say in Wikipedia ]
>>
>>
> I'd say a footnote to a bunch of benchmark studies right here would do
> this advertisement a world of good.
>
> Python is in a performance niche that's true, and can't be seen as a race
> horse in all races.
>
> Actually closer to the truth is Python-the-jockey rides atop several
> horses (VMs) rather successfully, with more horses to come most probably.
>
> But why are we talking about Lua in particular and not Erlang?   Weird.
>
> Kirby
> PPUG
> (Python's Portland User Group)
>
> (URL re our latest meeting:
> http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2013/08/ppug-2013813.html
> -- adding picture now...
> )
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From thatmattbone at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 00:08:34 2013
From: thatmattbone at gmail.com (Matt Bone)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:08:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Anyone heard of this?
In-Reply-To: <CANTsVHLiWC1Buuxx2VmjnCKdkVGRqj8NTJGwmJRoQj7HDfz8Lw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJD01woMR_dsb9kyFFRs70EwBggwng+7ZfB1b2A4HmKJWuSinw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPJgG3TCx6kKKy+qZoom=e4ZCDZgxwwAkXn-LVv_wqAJWRiSbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANTsVHLiWC1Buuxx2VmjnCKdkVGRqj8NTJGwmJRoQj7HDfz8Lw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG0VBHvH_ot+C=KEQJ0AgJL9mqGwH3d-8yKfaieNiwEvYZHb6w@mail.gmail.com>

As a historical curiosity, this isn't the first time someone has
compiled python to register based VM. Pynie
(https://bitbucket.org/allison/pynie) compiled python to parrot (the
perl 6 vm) which is also register based. It looks like pynie might be
on life support these days though.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com> wrote:
> There's better info on it at in their github
> (https://github.com/rjpower/falcon), and it looks like it's still under
> heavy development, but it's interesting!  Someone try it out and give us
> some independent benchmarks.
>
> - Japhy
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Python is a popular dynamic language with a large part of its appeal
>>> coming from powerful libraries and extension modules. These augment the
>>> language and make it a productive environment for a wide variety of tasks,
>>> ranging from web development (Django) to numerical analysis (NumPy).
>>> Unfortunately, Python's performance is quite poor when compared to modern
>>> implementations of languages such as Lua and JavaScript. [ CITATION NEEDED
>>> <--- as they say in Wikipedia ]
>>
>>
>> I'd say a footnote to a bunch of benchmark studies right here would do
>> this advertisement a world of good.
>>
>> Python is in a performance niche that's true, and can't be seen as a race
>> horse in all races.
>>
>> Actually closer to the truth is Python-the-jockey rides atop several
>> horses (VMs) rather successfully, with more horses to come most probably.
>>
>> But why are we talking about Lua in particular and not Erlang?   Weird.
>>
>> Kirby
>> PPUG
>> (Python's Portland User Group)
>>
>> (URL re our latest meeting:
>> http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2013/08/ppug-2013813.html
>> -- adding picture now...
>> )
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From skip at pobox.com  Fri Aug 16 05:38:22 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 22:38:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Anyone heard of this?
In-Reply-To: <CAG0VBHvH_ot+C=KEQJ0AgJL9mqGwH3d-8yKfaieNiwEvYZHb6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJD01woMR_dsb9kyFFRs70EwBggwng+7ZfB1b2A4HmKJWuSinw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPJgG3TCx6kKKy+qZoom=e4ZCDZgxwwAkXn-LVv_wqAJWRiSbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANTsVHLiWC1Buuxx2VmjnCKdkVGRqj8NTJGwmJRoQj7HDfz8Lw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG0VBHvH_ot+C=KEQJ0AgJL9mqGwH3d-8yKfaieNiwEvYZHb6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANc-5Uw=-DPgDVdr=kgqyZrP74EWO1gfPo=3vMeRjGM0G34fmg@mail.gmail.com>

There's nothing new under the sun:

http://computer-programming-forum.com/56-python/adf7f03a82faf8bb.htm

Skip


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Matt Bone <thatmattbone at gmail.com> wrote:
> As a historical curiosity, this isn't the first time someone has
> compiled python to register based VM. Pynie
> (https://bitbucket.org/allison/pynie) compiled python to parrot (the
> perl 6 vm) which is also register based. It looks like pynie might be
> on life support these days though.
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com> wrote:
>> There's better info on it at in their github
>> (https://github.com/rjpower/falcon), and it looks like it's still under
>> heavy development, but it's interesting!  Someone try it out and give us
>> some independent benchmarks.
>>
>> - Japhy
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Python is a popular dynamic language with a large part of its appeal
>>>> coming from powerful libraries and extension modules. These augment the
>>>> language and make it a productive environment for a wide variety of tasks,
>>>> ranging from web development (Django) to numerical analysis (NumPy).
>>>> Unfortunately, Python's performance is quite poor when compared to modern
>>>> implementations of languages such as Lua and JavaScript. [ CITATION NEEDED
>>>> <--- as they say in Wikipedia ]
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd say a footnote to a bunch of benchmark studies right here would do
>>> this advertisement a world of good.
>>>
>>> Python is in a performance niche that's true, and can't be seen as a race
>>> horse in all races.
>>>
>>> Actually closer to the truth is Python-the-jockey rides atop several
>>> horses (VMs) rather successfully, with more horses to come most probably.
>>>
>>> But why are we talking about Lua in particular and not Erlang?   Weird.
>>>
>>> Kirby
>>> PPUG
>>> (Python's Portland User Group)
>>>
>>> (URL re our latest meeting:
>>> http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2013/08/ppug-2013813.html
>>> -- adding picture now...
>>> )
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From brian at imagescape.com  Fri Aug 16 22:25:10 2013
From: brian at imagescape.com (Brian Moloney)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 15:25:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] DjangoCon coming to a city near you!
Message-ID: <CAJ_3hfpWMVk6_aXK+Q1uLz+YOsJUOj+T0TR7KxNfFLdX5KgD4A@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings ChiPy,

Just a friendly reminder that DjangoConUS is coming up quickly, here in the
great city of Chicago. Registration is open, the schedule is set, tutorials
ready, sprints being planned.

Check out the impressive list of tutorials, topics and speakers at
djangocon.us.  I'm looking forward to the conference and hope to see you
there.

Have a great weekend.
Brian

-- 
Brian J. Moloney
Managing Partner

Imaginary Landscape, LLC
Web Design | Development | Strategy
(877) 275-9144 toll free

http://imagescape.com
http://chicagodjango.com
http://twitter.com/Brian_Moloney
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 04:36:41 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:36:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] DjangoCon coming to a city near you!
In-Reply-To: <CAJ_3hfpWMVk6_aXK+Q1uLz+YOsJUOj+T0TR7KxNfFLdX5KgD4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ_3hfpWMVk6_aXK+Q1uLz+YOsJUOj+T0TR7KxNfFLdX5KgD4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38snjnFFV-h6agiPwRZdXAVMkHvxwT_zz1ZgnyjixnxnSA@mail.gmail.com>

We are excited djangocon is coming to Chicago.

Please let us know what we can do to help.

Also, I have spare bedroom and several reasonable crash pad options if
anyone is hard up for accommodations. Have them hit me up off the list if
they are in need.




On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Brian Moloney <brian at imagescape.com> wrote:

> Greetings ChiPy,
>
> Just a friendly reminder that DjangoConUS is coming up quickly, here in
> the great city of Chicago. Registration is open, the schedule is set,
> tutorials ready, sprints being planned.
>
> Check out the impressive list of tutorials, topics and speakers at
> djangocon.us.  I'm looking forward to the conference and hope to see you
> there.
>
> Have a great weekend.
> Brian
>
> --
> Brian J. Moloney
> Managing Partner
>
> Imaginary Landscape, LLC
> Web Design | Development | Strategy
> (877) 275-9144 toll free
>
> http://imagescape.com
> http://chicagodjango.com
> http://twitter.com/Brian_Moloney
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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@brianray
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From don at sheu.com  Sat Aug 17 17:44:04 2013
From: don at sheu.com (Don Sheu)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:44:04 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Today in 1960
Message-ID: <CAM-7wPJSdcn00H+H_W-gkkZhReJ6Q8SuHfPvg+FmTT4+VwLV1g@mail.gmail.com>

"@amhistorymuseum: Today in 1960: An RCA 501 computer prints this out using
computer language COBOL - http://t.co/K5CL5XW8rr"
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From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Aug 18 17:07:54 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:07:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Today in 1960
In-Reply-To: <CAM-7wPJSdcn00H+H_W-gkkZhReJ6Q8SuHfPvg+FmTT4+VwLV1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM-7wPJSdcn00H+H_W-gkkZhReJ6Q8SuHfPvg+FmTT4+VwLV1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSjoCyRmiiEwQGiN0sTY4+7o87wi7J+d4Wf_H2dnhPWbaA@mail.gmail.com>

http://ids.si.edu/ids/dynamic?id=NMAH-2010-1229&container.fullpage

I like how "not reference" has the note "ok to be changed to blanks"
53 years ago someone was trying to figure out how to display null



On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Don Sheu <don at sheu.com> wrote:
> "@amhistorymuseum: Today in 1960: An RCA 501 computer prints this out using
> computer language COBOL - http://t.co/K5CL5XW8rr"
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From robkapteyn at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 19:09:56 2013
From: robkapteyn at gmail.com (Rob Kapteyn)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 12:09:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Slashdot taking questions for Guido
Message-ID: <CABdKVNijOoV8KK9G6BC6Vsv7esUQgY0nU3KzwTMEN130_qmJpg@mail.gmail.com>

FYI,
http://slashdot.org is taking questions for an interview with GVR.

I just put in several serious questions -- hopefully a counterweight to the
trolls.
-Rob
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From brianhingyenkung at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 20:11:09 2013
From: brianhingyenkung at gmail.com (Brian Kung)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:11:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Slashdot taking questions for Guido
In-Reply-To: <CABdKVNijOoV8KK9G6BC6Vsv7esUQgY0nU3KzwTMEN130_qmJpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABdKVNijOoV8KK9G6BC6Vsv7esUQgY0nU3KzwTMEN130_qmJpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJnazsVk=CXgfyxPHkv2NOB8uQvT+z9Mud26GB+Y_vmf3M+Z_A@mail.gmail.com>

Direct link:
http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/13/08/19/1256259/interviews-qa-with-guido-van-rossum


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Rob Kapteyn <robkapteyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> FYI,
> http://slashdot.org is taking questions for an interview with GVR.
>
> I just put in several serious questions -- hopefully a counterweight to
> the trolls.
> -Rob
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
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From maney at two14.net  Tue Aug 20 13:21:51 2013
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:21:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Guido speaks
Message-ID: <20130820112151.GA3605@furrr.two14.net>


Just saw this late last evening, call it Guido's Sermon on Deferreds:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/python-tulip/ut4vTG-08k8/discussion

Short form: Python's Tulips still won't have 'em.

-- 
Now people have pondered this time and again (Who dies? Everyone dies)
We suspect that we're more than mere mortal remains (Oh, everyone dies)
Wise men and prophets they've all had their say
  on the nature of our afterlives
But in case there's no beer there we'll have one more round (Oh everyone dies)
 -- James Keelaghan in "Who Dies?", an upbeat song about mortality


From adam at adamforsyth.net  Tue Aug 20 16:14:14 2013
From: adam at adamforsyth.net (Adam Forsyth)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:14:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Guido speaks
In-Reply-To: <20130820112151.GA3605@furrr.two14.net>
References: <20130820112151.GA3605@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <CABrs+N-7WJzekfSkxs-3ARegZMbb9ZaFFp7ScfNFqdxqacCneg@mail.gmail.com>

Tl;dr It's not about tulip.

It is a writeup of a number of the main concepts behind Twisted deferreds.
It's quite detailed, has useful commentary, and includes code examples to
illustrate each concept.

The author of Twisted praised it almost without reservation. I'd recommend
it even if you have no interest in Async. It's an excellent example of a
technical article.
On Aug 20, 2013 8:34 AM, "Martin Maney" <maney at two14.net> wrote:

>
> Just saw this late last evening, call it Guido's Sermon on Deferreds:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/python-tulip/ut4vTG-08k8/discussion
>
> Short form: Python's Tulips still won't have 'em.
>
> --
> Now people have pondered this time and again (Who dies? Everyone dies)
> We suspect that we're more than mere mortal remains (Oh, everyone dies)
> Wise men and prophets they've all had their say
>   on the nature of our afterlives
> But in case there's no beer there we'll have one more round (Oh everyone
> dies)
>  -- James Keelaghan in "Who Dies?", an upbeat song about mortality
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
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From joe at germuska.com  Tue Aug 20 16:32:34 2013
From: joe at germuska.com (Joe Germuska)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:32:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Guido speaks
In-Reply-To: <CABrs+N-7WJzekfSkxs-3ARegZMbb9ZaFFp7ScfNFqdxqacCneg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130820112151.GA3605@furrr.two14.net>
 <CABrs+N-7WJzekfSkxs-3ARegZMbb9ZaFFp7ScfNFqdxqacCneg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A0A90C97-4EF9-4DBB-B7FD-FF7C9215FD5B@germuska.com>

This is cool.

BTW, it's being coalesced into a future Guido blog post, so this may be a better place to jump in if you want to read it:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10WOZgLQaYNpOrag-eTbUm-JUCCfdyfravZ4qSOQPg1M/edit

Joe


On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Adam Forsyth <adam at adamforsyth.net> wrote:

> Tl;dr It's not about tulip.
> 
> It is a writeup of a number of the main concepts behind Twisted deferreds. It's quite detailed, has useful commentary, and includes code examples to illustrate each concept.
> 
> The author of Twisted praised it almost without reservation. I'd recommend it even if you have no interest in Async. It's an excellent example of a technical article.
> 
> On Aug 20, 2013 8:34 AM, "Martin Maney" <maney at two14.net> wrote:
> 
> Just saw this late last evening, call it Guido's Sermon on Deferreds:
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/python-tulip/ut4vTG-08k8/discussion
> 
> Short form: Python's Tulips still won't have 'em.
> 
> --
> Now people have pondered this time and again (Who dies? Everyone dies)
> We suspect that we're more than mere mortal remains (Oh, everyone dies)
> Wise men and prophets they've all had their say
>   on the nature of our afterlives
> But in case there's no beer there we'll have one more round (Oh everyone dies)
>  -- James Keelaghan in "Who Dies?", an upbeat song about mortality
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From maney at two14.net  Wed Aug 21 03:39:55 2013
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:39:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Guido speaks
In-Reply-To: <CABrs+N-7WJzekfSkxs-3ARegZMbb9ZaFFp7ScfNFqdxqacCneg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130820112151.GA3605@furrr.two14.net>
 <CABrs+N-7WJzekfSkxs-3ARegZMbb9ZaFFp7ScfNFqdxqacCneg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130821013955.GA8535@furrr.two14.net>

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:14:14AM -0500, Adam Forsyth wrote:
> Tl;dr It's not about tulip.

This what I get for posting in haste - the smiley on that seems to be
missing.  <blink>So it goes</blink>

-- 
Maybe when you can't do anything that addresses the heart of the matter,
you have to do what you can, and if the only thing you can do is to dig
a hole in the ground, then you dig that hole with all the will and
strength and dedication at your command.  -- Joel Rosenberg, _D'Shai_


From skip at python.org  Wed Aug 21 04:38:11 2013
From: skip at python.org (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:38:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
Message-ID: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies for the largely off-topic post, but I know many people here
are heavily web-centric.  My web work pretty much ended a decade ago.

GoDaddy completely sucks.  I need to move my stuff somewhere else.  I
just have a few HTML files and want to run a small wiki.  Unix shell
access would be great, but if only a web interface is available, it
has to be better the GD's.  Who makes their customers wait a week
after enabling server error logs until they can view them?  Heck, who
turns error logs off by default?  You encounter a problem you want to
look into it now, not a week from now.

Off-list replies are fine.  I don't want to waste a bunch of bandwidth
unPythonic stuff.

Thanks,

Skip

From warren.lindsey at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 04:52:02 2013
From: warren.lindsey at gmail.com (Warren Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:52:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44EF4432-322B-400A-A7C9-97FF65FCE3B4@gmail.com>

Dreamhost has good prices and great support. Offers python, perl, ruby, MySQL and has shell access at not extra cost. Nice bonus: host multiple domains off a single account. Unlimited storage & no network quotas. 

I don't work there. Just a happy customer. 

On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at python.org> wrote:

> Apologies for the largely off-topic post, but I know many people here
> are heavily web-centric.  My web work pretty much ended a decade ago.
> 
> GoDaddy completely sucks.  I need to move my stuff somewhere else.  I
> just have a few HTML files and want to run a small wiki.  Unix shell
> access would be great, but if only a web interface is available, it
> has to be better the GD's.  Who makes their customers wait a week
> after enabling server error logs until they can view them?  Heck, who
> turns error logs off by default?  You encounter a problem you want to
> look into it now, not a week from now.
> 
> Off-list replies are fine.  I don't want to waste a bunch of bandwidth
> unPythonic stuff.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From sam.lahti at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 05:08:51 2013
From: sam.lahti at gmail.com (Samuel Lahti)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:08:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <44EF4432-322B-400A-A7C9-97FF65FCE3B4@gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
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+1 for dreamhost
On Aug 20, 2013 9:58 PM, "Warren Lindsey" <warren.lindsey at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dreamhost has good prices and great support. Offers python, perl, ruby,
> MySQL and has shell access at not extra cost. Nice bonus: host multiple
> domains off a single account. Unlimited storage & no network quotas.
>
> I don't work there. Just a happy customer.
>
> On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at python.org> wrote:
>
> > Apologies for the largely off-topic post, but I know many people here
> > are heavily web-centric.  My web work pretty much ended a decade ago.
> >
> > GoDaddy completely sucks.  I need to move my stuff somewhere else.  I
> > just have a few HTML files and want to run a small wiki.  Unix shell
> > access would be great, but if only a web interface is available, it
> > has to be better the GD's.  Who makes their customers wait a week
> > after enabling server error logs until they can view them?  Heck, who
> > turns error logs off by default?  You encounter a problem you want to
> > look into it now, not a week from now.
> >
> > Off-list replies are fine.  I don't want to waste a bunch of bandwidth
> > unPythonic stuff.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Skip
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From jsudlow at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 05:26:31 2013
From: jsudlow at gmail.com (Jon Sudlow)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:26:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <CAM63y07oFgUyhYPNUNFjLnRacRrBpSUN9X_bT=rhneqSvUiLZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <44EF4432-322B-400A-A7C9-97FF65FCE3B4@gmail.com>
 <CAM63y07oFgUyhYPNUNFjLnRacRrBpSUN9X_bT=rhneqSvUiLZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADZ0Dv8sgsFTbpO8OmV5RJt8nmcr=+AR4=UN2K-+tgaTjxiMHg@mail.gmail.com>

Get your own Rackspace cloud server ~ 20-30 bucks a month, do anything you
want.

-Jon


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Samuel Lahti <sam.lahti at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 for dreamhost
> On Aug 20, 2013 9:58 PM, "Warren Lindsey" <warren.lindsey at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dreamhost has good prices and great support. Offers python, perl, ruby,
>> MySQL and has shell access at not extra cost. Nice bonus: host multiple
>> domains off a single account. Unlimited storage & no network quotas.
>>
>> I don't work there. Just a happy customer.
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at python.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Apologies for the largely off-topic post, but I know many people here
>> > are heavily web-centric.  My web work pretty much ended a decade ago.
>> >
>> > GoDaddy completely sucks.  I need to move my stuff somewhere else.  I
>> > just have a few HTML files and want to run a small wiki.  Unix shell
>> > access would be great, but if only a web interface is available, it
>> > has to be better the GD's.  Who makes their customers wait a week
>> > after enabling server error logs until they can view them?  Heck, who
>> > turns error logs off by default?  You encounter a problem you want to
>> > look into it now, not a week from now.
>> >
>> > Off-list replies are fine.  I don't want to waste a bunch of bandwidth
>> > unPythonic stuff.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Skip
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From blue.dog.archolite at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 05:59:23 2013
From: blue.dog.archolite at gmail.com (Robert Meyer)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:59:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <CADZ0Dv8sgsFTbpO8OmV5RJt8nmcr=+AR4=UN2K-+tgaTjxiMHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <44EF4432-322B-400A-A7C9-97FF65FCE3B4@gmail.com>
 <CAM63y07oFgUyhYPNUNFjLnRacRrBpSUN9X_bT=rhneqSvUiLZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Linode is cheap and decent as well.
On Aug 20, 2013 10:27 PM, "Jon Sudlow" <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:

> Get your own Rackspace cloud server ~ 20-30 bucks a month, do anything you
> want.
>
> -Jon
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Samuel Lahti <sam.lahti at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> +1 for dreamhost
>> On Aug 20, 2013 9:58 PM, "Warren Lindsey" <warren.lindsey at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dreamhost has good prices and great support. Offers python, perl, ruby,
>>> MySQL and has shell access at not extra cost. Nice bonus: host multiple
>>> domains off a single account. Unlimited storage & no network quotas.
>>>
>>> I don't work there. Just a happy customer.
>>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at python.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Apologies for the largely off-topic post, but I know many people here
>>> > are heavily web-centric.  My web work pretty much ended a decade ago.
>>> >
>>> > GoDaddy completely sucks.  I need to move my stuff somewhere else.  I
>>> > just have a few HTML files and want to run a small wiki.  Unix shell
>>> > access would be great, but if only a web interface is available, it
>>> > has to be better the GD's.  Who makes their customers wait a week
>>> > after enabling server error logs until they can view them?  Heck, who
>>> > turns error logs off by default?  You encounter a problem you want to
>>> > look into it now, not a week from now.
>>> >
>>> > Off-list replies are fine.  I don't want to waste a bunch of bandwidth
>>> > unPythonic stuff.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Skip
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From labeledloser at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 16:15:33 2013
From: labeledloser at gmail.com (Hector Rios)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:15:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <CAAK-Xcj2qnFuaz8DxCJVnZrerzHqJ9QFsQrzEBgvoAwZZtoudw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <44EF4432-322B-400A-A7C9-97FF65FCE3B4@gmail.com>
 <CAM63y07oFgUyhYPNUNFjLnRacRrBpSUN9X_bT=rhneqSvUiLZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADZ0Dv8sgsFTbpO8OmV5RJt8nmcr=+AR4=UN2K-+tgaTjxiMHg@mail.gmail.com>
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All,

>From my experience, Linode has been the best experience, service and
support which I have received. A Small Orange is second, but I also will
suggest ChicagoVPS for a cheap (unmanaged) VPS.


{
    "name": "Hector Rios",
    "title": "Software Developer",
    "contact": [
        {
            "linkedin": "hrios10",
            "gmail": "labeledloser"
        }
    ]
}

*No trees were killed to send this message, but a large number of electrons
were terribly inconvenienced.*


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Robert Meyer <blue.dog.archolite at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Linode is cheap and decent as well.
> On Aug 20, 2013 10:27 PM, "Jon Sudlow" <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Get your own Rackspace cloud server ~ 20-30 bucks a month, do anything
>> you want.
>>
>> -Jon
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Samuel Lahti <sam.lahti at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for dreamhost
>>> On Aug 20, 2013 9:58 PM, "Warren Lindsey" <warren.lindsey at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dreamhost has good prices and great support. Offers python, perl, ruby,
>>>> MySQL and has shell access at not extra cost. Nice bonus: host multiple
>>>> domains off a single account. Unlimited storage & no network quotas.
>>>>
>>>> I don't work there. Just a happy customer.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at python.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Apologies for the largely off-topic post, but I know many people here
>>>> > are heavily web-centric.  My web work pretty much ended a decade ago.
>>>> >
>>>> > GoDaddy completely sucks.  I need to move my stuff somewhere else.  I
>>>> > just have a few HTML files and want to run a small wiki.  Unix shell
>>>> > access would be great, but if only a web interface is available, it
>>>> > has to be better the GD's.  Who makes their customers wait a week
>>>> > after enabling server error logs until they can view them?  Heck, who
>>>> > turns error logs off by default?  You encounter a problem you want to
>>>> > look into it now, not a week from now.
>>>> >
>>>> > Off-list replies are fine.  I don't want to waste a bunch of bandwidth
>>>> > unPythonic stuff.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> > Skip
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From davidkentsutton at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 16:31:21 2013
From: davidkentsutton at gmail.com (David Sutton)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:31:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <CA+X0G_Awk4-NWp+DTABPNwheLfexP-nhYkqb=DCqFu8XTGoj=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <44EF4432-322B-400A-A7C9-97FF65FCE3B4@gmail.com>
 <CAM63y07oFgUyhYPNUNFjLnRacRrBpSUN9X_bT=rhneqSvUiLZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADZ0Dv8sgsFTbpO8OmV5RJt8nmcr=+AR4=UN2K-+tgaTjxiMHg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAK-Xcj2qnFuaz8DxCJVnZrerzHqJ9QFsQrzEBgvoAwZZtoudw@mail.gmail.com>
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+1 to linode if you're comfortable setting up everything yourself.

Currently using dreamhost for a number of domain names and I haven't had
any trouble between the two.


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Hector Rios <labeledloser at gmail.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> From my experience, Linode has been the best experience, service and
> support which I have received. A Small Orange is second, but I also will
> suggest ChicagoVPS for a cheap (unmanaged) VPS.
>
>
> {
>     "name": "Hector Rios",
>     "title": "Software Developer",
>     "contact": [
>         {
>             "linkedin": "hrios10",
>             "gmail": "labeledloser"
>         }
>     ]
> }
>
> *No trees were killed to send this message, but a large number of
> electrons were terribly inconvenienced.*
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Robert Meyer <
> blue.dog.archolite at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Linode is cheap and decent as well.
>> On Aug 20, 2013 10:27 PM, "Jon Sudlow" <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Get your own Rackspace cloud server ~ 20-30 bucks a month, do anything
>>> you want.
>>>
>>> -Jon
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Samuel Lahti <sam.lahti at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 for dreamhost
>>>> On Aug 20, 2013 9:58 PM, "Warren Lindsey" <warren.lindsey at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dreamhost has good prices and great support. Offers python, perl,
>>>>> ruby, MySQL and has shell access at not extra cost. Nice bonus: host
>>>>> multiple domains off a single account. Unlimited storage & no network
>>>>> quotas.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't work there. Just a happy customer.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at python.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Apologies for the largely off-topic post, but I know many people here
>>>>> > are heavily web-centric.  My web work pretty much ended a decade ago.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > GoDaddy completely sucks.  I need to move my stuff somewhere else.  I
>>>>> > just have a few HTML files and want to run a small wiki.  Unix shell
>>>>> > access would be great, but if only a web interface is available, it
>>>>> > has to be better the GD's.  Who makes their customers wait a week
>>>>> > after enabling server error logs until they can view them?  Heck, who
>>>>> > turns error logs off by default?  You encounter a problem you want to
>>>>> > look into it now, not a week from now.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Off-list replies are fine.  I don't want to waste a bunch of
>>>>> bandwidth
>>>>> > unPythonic stuff.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Skip
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 16:36:42 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:36:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqvm_ACoHZKrSEDyjPuZM5mdMWVNoUtYHEHWV2KwTYHJKw@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.digitalocean.com/ seems to be the hotness these days. Haven't
tried them though.


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at python.org> wrote:

> Apologies for the largely off-topic post, but I know many people here
> are heavily web-centric.  My web work pretty much ended a decade ago.
>
> GoDaddy completely sucks.  I need to move my stuff somewhere else.  I
> just have a few HTML files and want to run a small wiki.  Unix shell
> access would be great, but if only a web interface is available, it
> has to be better the GD's.  Who makes their customers wait a week
> after enabling server error logs until they can view them?  Heck, who
> turns error logs off by default?  You encounter a problem you want to
> look into it now, not a week from now.
>
> Off-list replies are fine.  I don't want to waste a bunch of bandwidth
> unPythonic stuff.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 15:11:16 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:11:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <CAAK-Xcj2qnFuaz8DxCJVnZrerzHqJ9QFsQrzEBgvoAwZZtoudw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <44EF4432-322B-400A-A7C9-97FF65FCE3B4@gmail.com>
 <CAM63y07oFgUyhYPNUNFjLnRacRrBpSUN9X_bT=rhneqSvUiLZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADZ0Dv8sgsFTbpO8OmV5RJt8nmcr=+AR4=UN2K-+tgaTjxiMHg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAK-Xcj2qnFuaz8DxCJVnZrerzHqJ9QFsQrzEBgvoAwZZtoudw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wq9MPrpz8EGB68GuDmQk0cLw8rxmkw+qF5cB6+_C2PaEg@mail.gmail.com>

Amazon web services (ec2) is also a great place to host your site.


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Robert Meyer <blue.dog.archolite at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Linode is cheap and decent as well.
> On Aug 20, 2013 10:27 PM, "Jon Sudlow" <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Get your own Rackspace cloud server ~ 20-30 bucks a month, do anything
>> you want.
>>
>> -Jon
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Samuel Lahti <sam.lahti at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for dreamhost
>>> On Aug 20, 2013 9:58 PM, "Warren Lindsey" <warren.lindsey at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dreamhost has good prices and great support. Offers python, perl, ruby,
>>>> MySQL and has shell access at not extra cost. Nice bonus: host multiple
>>>> domains off a single account. Unlimited storage & no network quotas.
>>>>
>>>> I don't work there. Just a happy customer.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at python.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Apologies for the largely off-topic post, but I know many people here
>>>> > are heavily web-centric.  My web work pretty much ended a decade ago.
>>>> >
>>>> > GoDaddy completely sucks.  I need to move my stuff somewhere else.  I
>>>> > just have a few HTML files and want to run a small wiki.  Unix shell
>>>> > access would be great, but if only a web interface is available, it
>>>> > has to be better the GD's.  Who makes their customers wait a week
>>>> > after enabling server error logs until they can view them?  Heck, who
>>>> > turns error logs off by default?  You encounter a problem you want to
>>>> > look into it now, not a week from now.
>>>> >
>>>> > Off-list replies are fine.  I don't want to waste a bunch of bandwidth
>>>> > unPythonic stuff.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> > Skip
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 


Thanks,
Brian Herman
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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Aug 21 17:13:41 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:13:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wq9MPrpz8EGB68GuDmQk0cLw8rxmkw+qF5cB6+_C2PaEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <44EF4432-322B-400A-A7C9-97FF65FCE3B4@gmail.com>
 <CAM63y07oFgUyhYPNUNFjLnRacRrBpSUN9X_bT=rhneqSvUiLZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADZ0Dv8sgsFTbpO8OmV5RJt8nmcr=+AR4=UN2K-+tgaTjxiMHg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAK-Xcj2qnFuaz8DxCJVnZrerzHqJ9QFsQrzEBgvoAwZZtoudw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJD01wq9MPrpz8EGB68GuDmQk0cLw8rxmkw+qF5cB6+_C2PaEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANc-5UzihpBYAuVLjjkdHaghApMQQPGQ=JVGmuZOHxUbibZi_A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestions.  A number of sites which don't strictly cater
to flat files were mentioned, e.g. Amazon EC2.  When I was fooling around
with Django awhile ago I tried Heroku.  I liked being able to push my
changes and have the website update, but I didn't like that every push
generated a new virtual domain name.  So, a couple Django/Heroku-specific
questions:

* I assume there must be a way to get a static name, but still have the
nice "git push" feature (I know some folks don't like it, but it appeals to
me)

* Is there a Django-based wiki implementation which might fit into this
scheme (that is, not blow away the raw wiki content if I push out a new
version of the wiki software itself)?

* How would I estimate cost?  What the heck is a "dyno hour"? I'd really
hate to get everything set up and then get a bill of $100 for the first
month.

*Finally, and most important perhaps, is there a place in the Heroku
universe to ask these sorts of questions?  I can't login right now while
I'm at work.

Thx,

Skip
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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Aug 21 17:34:23 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:34:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Aug 21 17:33:07 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:33:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UzihpBYAuVLjjkdHaghApMQQPGQ=JVGmuZOHxUbibZi_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestions.  A number of sites which don't strictly cater
> to flat files were mentioned, e.g. Amazon EC2.  When I was fooling around
> with Django awhile ago I tried Heroku.  I liked being able to push my
> changes and have the website update, but I didn't like that every push
> generated a new virtual domain name.  So, a couple Django/Heroku-specific
> questions:
>

Most likely you can find some tool or scripts out there that will trigger
when you push a change and deploy your app for you, but I use heroku for
the time being because I am lazy.


>
> * I assume there must be a way to get a static name, but still have the
> nice "git push" feature (I know some folks don't like it, but it appeals to
> me)
>

What do you mean by static name? The names of my heroku apps haven't
changed when I've pushed new versions.



> * Is there a Django-based wiki implementation which might fit into this
> scheme (that is, not blow away the raw wiki content if I push out a new
> version of the wiki software itself)?
>

I don't think this would happen. A wiki is probably backed by a database,
and if you are connecting to a database in heroku, it is not going to
automatically blow away your database  when you deploy changes.

I've been learning django and working on a django site, so if you end up
having questions about heroku and django, post here. Maybe I can help. If
not, someone else likely will.



> * How would I estimate cost?  What the heck is a "dyno hour"? I'd really
> hate to get everything set up and then get a bill of $100 for the first
> month.
>

 I haven't been charged yet because I'm using the lowest possible settings
-- this can be annoying if you don't like that your app is going to go to
"sleep". Right now, I don't care. You might, so it depends.


> *Finally, and most important perhaps, is there a place in the Heroku
> universe to ask these sorts of questions?  I can't login right now while
> I'm at work.
>

Yes! https://discussion.heroku.com/ pretty cool.

Finally, if you want a statically generated blog type of thing, there are
tools like pelican or jekyl and such that allow you to write posts in
markdown or whatnot from a repo, and then you can run the equivalent of
make to compile them and push the changes. I've done this with pelican and
have a make file (it generates one for you) that I happen to use to push
changes to a github.io domain. for example, <
https://github.com/codersquid/codersquid.github.io/tree/source>. I meant to
add readme info there to make it instrunctional for people who want to
start a pelican blog hosted on github pages, but haven't spent much time on
it.

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From chad at glendenin.com  Wed Aug 21 17:49:24 2013
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:49:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rayZx5nZCunB_7q1y99hTB5Ro05p6z_3g+vJDFTd65u-w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

>
>> * How would I estimate cost?  What the heck is a "dyno hour"? I'd really
>> hate to get everything set up and then get a bill of $100 for the first
>> month.
>>
>
>  I haven't been charged yet because I'm using the lowest possible settings
> -- this can be annoying if you don't like that your app is going to go to
> "sleep". Right now, I don't care. You might, so it depends.
>

That's right, Heroku spins down your VM if it's inactive for some length of
time. I've heard that the standard trick for keeping your free Heroku site
up is to use one of those uptime services that pings the site periodically
(or does a "GET /" on port 80 or whatever) to reset the activity timer on
Heroku. I've never tried that trick, though, because so far I mostly use
Heroku for playing around with random things I don't really care about.
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From adam at adamforsyth.net  Wed Aug 21 17:32:04 2013
From: adam at adamforsyth.net (Adam Forsyth)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:32:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UzihpBYAuVLjjkdHaghApMQQPGQ=JVGmuZOHxUbibZi_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UzY=6_i6Q4BouvyzcOgLQ3QO_BQT8R8koFwPByuQYoyfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <44EF4432-322B-400A-A7C9-97FF65FCE3B4@gmail.com>
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Answers inline


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestions.  A number of sites which don't strictly cater
> to flat files were mentioned, e.g. Amazon EC2.  When I was fooling around
> with Django awhile ago I tried Heroku.  I liked being able to push my
> changes and have the website update, but I didn't like that every push
> generated a new virtual domain name.  So, a couple Django/Heroku-specific
> questions:
>
> * I assume there must be a way to get a static name, but still have the
> nice "git push" feature (I know some folks don't like it, but it appeals to
> me)
>

I'm not sure what you're talking about with the "every push generated a new
virtual domain". I'm pretty sure they're assigned when you create the app
-- at least that's what I've always experienced. You can also point a
domain at it.


>
> * Is there a Django-based wiki implementation which might fit into this
> scheme (that is, not blow away the raw wiki content if I push out a new
> version of the wiki software itself)?
>


Heroku is based around Postgres, so any normal DB-backed wiki will persist
data between deploys.



>
> * How would I estimate cost?  What the heck is a "dyno hour"? I'd really
> hate to get everything set up and then get a bill of $100 for the first
> month.
>


Each dyno is essentially one concurrent request. So long as you don't mind
waiting a few seconds for the first pageload when you haven't hit the site
for a while, and you're low traffic, you can get away with cost = $9 for
just the Postgres row limit removal + the free dyno.


> *Finally, and most important perhaps, is there a place in the Heroku
> universe to ask these sorts of questions?  I can't login right now while
> I'm at work.
>

https://discussion.heroku.com
https://discussion.heroku.com/category/python


>
> Thx,
>
> Skip
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Aug 21 18:00:51 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:00:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Adam Forsyth <adam at adamforsyth.net> wrote:

> Answers inline


alas. my similar answers were chopped liver? :)


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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Wed Aug 21 18:06:42 2013
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 00:06:42 +0800
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Aug 21 18:29:44 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:29:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
In-Reply-To: <5214E592.5080900@threecrickets.com>
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I'm using rackspace a lot because I can email Jesse about it. Just kidding,
I've only emailed him two or three times to see if we could run pyvideo on
a free open source community account. The answer is yes. I already have it
running on a rackspace account, so no brainer. I started out on slicehost,
which got acquired by rackspace.


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

>  I would also recommend RimuHosting:
>
> http://rimuhosting.com/
>
> They've grown a lot since the early days, and now offer usability and a
> feature set very similar to Linode's. They're a smaller company and offer
> better and more personal customer support.
>
> I personally use Linode, though, because I'm a tool.
>
> -Tal
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Aug 21 18:49:28 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:49:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Need a new hosting service
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>> * I assume there must be a way to get a static name, but still have the
>> nice "git push" feature (I know some folks don't like it, but it appeals to
>> me)
>
>
> I'm not sure what you're talking about with the "every push generated a new
> virtual domain". I'm pretty sure they're assigned when you create the app --
> at least that's what I've always experienced. You can also point a domain at
> it.

Two people have indicated they don't see this behavior.  Perhaps I did
something wrong.  It's been awhile, and I was just using the free
package (Sheila, I'm willing to put up with a lazy website if it's
free :-), but every time I executed "git push" it would finish with
something like "you can now view your site and xyz1234.heroku.com".
Every time, "xyz1234" changed to something else.  I guess if I somehow
had smontanaro.net associated with my Heroku account that behavior
would be different?  How do I point a domain at a Heroku site, just
the normal DNS sauce, or does some Heroku setting need to be tweaked?

Thanks all.  That's probably enough for the moment.  I clearly should
mess around again with Heroku before trying to go much farther.  If I
can mix my stuff into a Django/Heroku environment, that would be
ideal, especially if the price is the noise made by baby chickens.

Thx,

Skip

From jessica.novak at texturacorp.com  Wed Aug 21 18:12:23 2013
From: jessica.novak at texturacorp.com (Jessica Novak)
Date: 21 Aug 2013 12:12:23 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Textura Production Support Engineer
Message-ID: <1682683534.1377101543357.JavaMail.cfservice@sl10app3>











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. 


 


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At least 1 year of programming experience with Java OR Python.


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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 23:21:56 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:21:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Local company for ecommmerce site
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+bRE35ZbdRpPYv4QNTPeCGpETg7DNvPbDKapQgmo=UwBQ@mail.gmail.com>

A friend just reached out to me looking for a company to build an ecommerce
platform.  Light on the details at the moment but feel free to reach out to
me off list and I'll put you in contact.
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From pete at wearpants.org  Mon Aug 26 14:42:33 2013
From: pete at wearpants.org (Peter Fein)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:42:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Freelancer Meetup tonight
Message-ID: <CABD8qwzNMssxdUdea9F5m_z3qhtBrDmYMB-TNCD1OwTo6mmSng@mail.gmail.com>

Hiya, just a heads up about another edition of the freelancer's meetup
is tonight - 7 PM at Sully's. http://www.meetup.com/chicagodev/

-- 
Peter Fein | wearpants.org | @wearpants

I read email at the start and end of each day. IM if urgent.

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Mon Aug 26 21:31:31 2013
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 03:31:31 +0800
Subject: [Chicago] Guido van Rossum Q&A on /.
Message-ID: <521BAD13.9090106@threecrickets.com>

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From chris at sinchok.com  Mon Aug 26 23:54:50 2013
From: chris at sinchok.com (Chris Sinchok)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:54:50 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] [OT] Looking for locations for an Onion video
Message-ID: <CAADLA6i+cmwNg5xYiF6mZmAMdop8kgtRxGqn9mLbR=rR01TTWw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I work in web development at The Onion?host of the March ChiPy meeting?and
our video folks are looking for an office location to shoot at this week,
so I thought I'd drop a line to the list and see if anyone would be
interested. If you are, please shoot me an email off-list, and I'll get you
in touch with the right people.

Here's the information from our video team:

-----
This would be a short web video for the Onion Special Report series. The
headline for this story is CEO Has Special Knack For Recognizing Great
Ideas And Ruining Them.  Here is an example of
one<http://www.theonion.com/video/company-immediately-calls-job-applicant-upon-seein,31670/>
we
did a while back in an office setting. The video is usually no longer than
two minutes and will be interview based with some b-roll footage of
employees interacting with the CEO (these will be the actors we bring). The
story will be delivered to our website on Thursday, so Wednesday would
realistically be our last shoot day. It would take an hour and a half at
most and our crew of 3 would bring 4-5 actors into the office with one
camera and microphone. Because we've used our space so often, we're looking
for a different office setting for a bit of variety. Preferably, we'd love
to get a scene in a conference room and a few scenes in very typical spaces
of an office: kitchen, cubicle, break room, etc. There would of course be
no shots with your company's branding and would in no way tie your actual
work into the video. We can make the space look pretty unrecognizable. This
should be a really fun shoot and if anyone in your office would like to be
in the video, we would love to have them, and would consequently bring less
people into your space. We do realize the imposing nature of such a hasty
request, and mean to imply no pressure! But if this sounds like something
your office could have some fun with, then we would love to come shoot the
video some time at your convenience in the next two days!
-----

Thanks a lot, and I'll see you guys at the next (best ever) meeting!

Chris Sinchok
chris at sinchok.com
csinchok at theonion.com
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 02:01:03 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:01:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Guido van Rossum Q&A on /.
In-Reply-To: <521BAD13.9090106@threecrickets.com>
References: <521BAD13.9090106@threecrickets.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38vEHqPgn8fbUVnD1jZb8FGux+cURgku9sK1hHbwKuKwtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Be sure to read the Guido parts with a Dutch accent.


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

>  Fun!
>
>
> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/08/25/2115204/interviews-guido-van-rossum-answers-your-questions
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From wendygaminelli at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 12:34:41 2013
From: wendygaminelli at gmail.com (Wendy Minelli)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:34:41 +0300
Subject: [Chicago] Who's hiring?
Message-ID: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'll be moving to Chicago soon and I'm looking into job options.

My Python experience is in Web programming including Django, Werkzeug, and
Pylons. (I also do some Ruby/Rails.)

I did my homework on job boards like Dice and Indeed, and also job-offer
sites like Work for Pie and FiveYearItch, but some direct advice would be
good:

What companies are hiring Python devs in Chicagoland?

Wendy
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From lance at roytalman.com  Tue Aug 27 15:28:22 2013
From: lance at roytalman.com (Lance Hassan)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:28:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Who's hiring?
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1AAF941D1C57C14BBAAAA4F112A95BF8023CD5B4E0@DFW1MBX22.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

Contact me outside of the board, I don't like to start these things on the user boards...my direct is lance at roytalman.com<mailto:lance at roytalman.com>. You will get lots of great advice on this board as well. A lot of great members. I'm another option.

Thank You,
Lance Hassan
Roy Talman and Associates

From: Chicago [mailto:chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Minelli
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:35 AM
To: chicago at python.org
Subject: [Chicago] Who's hiring?

Hi all,

I'll be moving to Chicago soon and I'm looking into job options.

My Python experience is in Web programming including Django, Werkzeug, and Pylons. (I also do some Ruby/Rails.)

I did my homework on job boards like Dice and Indeed, and also job-offer sites like Work for Pie and FiveYearItch, but some direct advice would be good:

What companies are hiring Python devs in Chicagoland?

Wendy
________________________________
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From amy.wolcott at texturacorp.com  Tue Aug 27 16:41:17 2013
From: amy.wolcott at texturacorp.com (Amy Wolcott)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:41:17 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Who's hiring?
In-Reply-To: <1AAF941D1C57C14BBAAAA4F112A95BF8023CD5B4E0@DFW1MBX22.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>,
 <1AAF941D1C57C14BBAAAA4F112A95BF8023CD5B4E0@DFW1MBX22.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <A221EE179A9A3944B0C605B80316296A05CBBA@CH1PRD0711MB442.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Wendy,

We are hiring if you'd like to chat a bit about Textura.

Thank you!


Amy Wolcott

Textura- www.texturacorp.com<http://www.texturacorp.com>

IT Talent Acquisition

P: 773-572-6418



________________________________
From: Chicago [chicago-bounces+amy.wolcott=texturacorp.com at python.org] on behalf of Lance Hassan [lance at roytalman.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:28 AM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] Who's hiring?

Contact me outside of the board, I don?t like to start these things on the user boards?my direct is lance at roytalman.com<mailto:lance at roytalman.com>. You will get lots of great advice on this board as well. A lot of great members. I?m another option.

Thank You,
Lance Hassan
Roy Talman and Associates

From: Chicago [mailto:chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Minelli
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:35 AM
To: chicago at python.org
Subject: [Chicago] Who's hiring?

Hi all,

I'll be moving to Chicago soon and I'm looking into job options.

My Python experience is in Web programming including Django, Werkzeug, and Pylons. (I also do some Ruby/Rails.)

I did my homework on job boards like Dice and Indeed, and also job-offer sites like Work for Pie and FiveYearItch, but some direct advice would be good:

What companies are hiring Python devs in Chicagoland?

Wendy
________________________________
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 17:07:05 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:07:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Who's hiring?
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqvrcfZ4Je7uC8AEqVe-nZy8P2gx+Bomg-BmQJppVjkqNg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

If you are a recruiter, please reply directly the OP.


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Wendy Minelli <wendygaminelli at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'll be moving to Chicago soon and I'm looking into job options.
>
> My Python experience is in Web programming including Django, Werkzeug, and
> Pylons. (I also do some Ruby/Rails.)
>
> I did my homework on job boards like Dice and Indeed, and also job-offer
> sites like Work for Pie and FiveYearItch, but some direct advice would be
> good:
>
> What companies are hiring Python devs in Chicagoland?
>
> Wendy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From margie at openstack.org  Tue Aug 27 17:21:02 2013
From: margie at openstack.org (Margaret Callard)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:21:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Who's hiring?
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91CD23DE-0A7C-4535-B97A-E118EC819CCD@openstack.org>

There are not a lot of "Chicago-based" jobs for OpenStack yet, but many are home based if you check out the link below; software is based on Python.

http://www.openstack.org/community/jobs/



On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:34 AM, Wendy Minelli <wendygaminelli at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'll be moving to Chicago soon and I'm looking into job options. 
> 
> My Python experience is in Web programming including Django, Werkzeug, and Pylons. (I also do some Ruby/Rails.) 
> 
> I did my homework on job boards like Dice and Indeed, and also job-offer sites like Work for Pie and FiveYearItch, but some direct advice would be good: 
> 
> What companies are hiring Python devs in Chicagoland?
> 
> Wendy
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From stkrzysiak at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 17:12:10 2013
From: stkrzysiak at gmail.com (Steve Krzysiak)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:12:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Who's hiring?
In-Reply-To: <A221EE179A9A3944B0C605B80316296A05CBBA@CH1PRD0711MB442.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
 <1AAF941D1C57C14BBAAAA4F112A95BF8023CD5B4E0@DFW1MBX22.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
 <A221EE179A9A3944B0C605B80316296A05CBBA@CH1PRD0711MB442.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CACa0njo83syozCr6OzuC8C+sQVK-kag5yONh5JDCYCUud37bjw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Wendy,
The company I work for(Music Dealers) is hiring, but we are a PHP shop
currently.  However, I'm trying to make us polyglots and we are open(and
eager) to interviewing non-php folk!  If you're interested, ping me off
list at skrzysiak at musicdealers.com  Otherwise, welcome to Chicago and good
luck!
Regards,
Steve Krzysiak




On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Amy Wolcott <amy.wolcott at texturacorp.com>wrote:

>  Hello Wendy,
>
>  We are hiring if you'd like to chat a bit about Textura.
>
>  Thank you!
>
>  Amy Wolcott
>
> Textura- www.texturacorp.com
>
> IT Talent Acquisition
>
> P: 773-572-6418
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Chicago [chicago-bounces+amy.wolcott=texturacorp.com at python.org]
> on behalf of Lance Hassan [lance at roytalman.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:28 AM
> *To:* The Chicago Python Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Chicago] Who's hiring?
>
>   Contact me outside of the board, I don?t like to start these things on
> the user boards?my direct is lance at roytalman.com. You will get lots of
> great advice on this board as well. A lot of great members. I?m another
> option.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Lance Hassan
>
> Roy Talman and Associates
>
>
>
> *From:* Chicago [mailto:chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Wendy Minelli
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:35 AM
> *To:* chicago at python.org
> *Subject:* [Chicago] Who's hiring?
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I'll be moving to Chicago soon and I'm looking into job options.
>
>
>
> My Python experience is in Web programming including Django, Werkzeug, and
> Pylons. (I also do some Ruby/Rails.)
>
>
>
> I did my homework on job boards like Dice and Indeed, and also job-offer
> sites like Work for Pie and FiveYearItch, but some direct advice would be
> good:
>
>
>
> What companies are hiring Python devs in Chicagoland?
>
>
>
> Wendy
>   ------------------------------
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6611 - Release Date: 08/26/13
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From adam at adamforsyth.net  Tue Aug 27 17:50:59 2013
From: adam at adamforsyth.net (Adam Forsyth)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:50:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Who's hiring?
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABrs+N_408ZcanFW47AGuOVD6Y_DUbynCF=53xiCuw7bzFUv4g@mail.gmail.com>

I sent an email off-list, but for others reading this,
Braintree<https://www.braintreepayments.com/>/
Venmo <https://venmo.com/> is always hiring, though in Chicago most
developers mostly do Ruby.

If anyone's interested I'm glad to chat off-list, or find me at next
month's ChiPy at our office.


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Wendy Minelli <wendygaminelli at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'll be moving to Chicago soon and I'm looking into job options.
>
> My Python experience is in Web programming including Django, Werkzeug, and
> Pylons. (I also do some Ruby/Rails.)
>
> I did my homework on job boards like Dice and Indeed, and also job-offer
> sites like Work for Pie and FiveYearItch, but some direct advice would be
> good:
>
> What companies are hiring Python devs in Chicagoland?
>
> Wendy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From don at sheu.com  Tue Aug 27 19:04:37 2013
From: don at sheu.com (Don Sheu)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:04:37 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CACvX9QDZWXkEA1vSYQ4=486NUXquhO3q6JmNtMYVKAG04678cA@mail.gmail.com>

"@python_fun: Jacob Kaplan-Moss makes $5000 matching donation challenge to
the Python and Django community: Jacob Kaplan-Mos... http://t.co/rrRMna1y4w"
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 20:16:52 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:16:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Who's hiring?
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38sL+oFT1NnChJYx4JkfC68ieon_ens+v7zENKKH_uG6iQ@mail.gmail.com>

Reminder (ref
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2012-August/009525.html)

"We recommend a donation of $500-$1000 per hire to ChiPy from the HR
company or the Employer."


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Wendy Minelli <wendygaminelli at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'll be moving to Chicago soon and I'm looking into job options.
>
> My Python experience is in Web programming including Django, Werkzeug, and
> Pylons. (I also do some Ruby/Rails.)
>
> I did my homework on job boards like Dice and Indeed, and also job-offer
> sites like Work for Pie and FiveYearItch, but some direct advice would be
> good:
>
> What companies are hiring Python devs in Chicagoland?
>
> Wendy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
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@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From brianhingyenkung at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 01:39:05 2013
From: brianhingyenkung at gmail.com (Brian Kung)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:39:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CACvX9QDZWXkEA1vSYQ4=486NUXquhO3q6JmNtMYVKAG04678cA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvX9QDZWXkEA1vSYQ4=486NUXquhO3q6JmNtMYVKAG04678cA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJnazsX-=xPmrOf8mRXn92Tevyzt2nLcdf3BP32jg-3TEAaNEw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm grateful to be in position where I can chip in this time. I love the
default donation amounts!

Thanks for the heads up,
Brian


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Don Sheu <don at sheu.com> wrote:

> "@python_fun: Jacob Kaplan-Moss makes $5000 matching donation challenge to
> the Python and Django community: Jacob Kaplan-Mos...
> http://t.co/rrRMna1y4w"
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From szybalski at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 05:18:40 2013
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 22:18:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Easy Reports?
Message-ID: <CAKkTUv0gsYsbgR4NL6XwTejwaCb5eVA=jSYFhdhNB=hVcM=HKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Do you know if there are any packages that allow easy data analysis? I'm
currently using mssql with 200 GB of data. Writing reports for each little
variation is starting to be very annoying, not to motioned time consuming.
Very fast I now have too many reports that are no longer valid as sales
change. Is there storage that will store the data (updated once a month),
and then provide some ui to analyze it?

For example I would load the data in the most detail view into some table
or some other format. Every part of information.

Then send user to some UI page where they would say:

I want all "sales" by zipcode
....
actually lets do all sales by zipcode and city, and lets sort by $, and
another by counts.
...
looks like we are selling in 60641, lets dig in
....
group by male, female, age, show counts, show $ (sort by any of the
combinations)
....
Then Vlookup (inner join) into product  table on product_id and lets sort
by $sales/$cost...etc....
etc.

I'm looking for "group by", sum(), Avg(), sort by hitting a column name.
Is there some python package that does it ? or a combination of different
packages? R?, etc....

Thanks
Lucas
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From gang.huang at tdmgp.com  Wed Aug 28 05:43:40 2013
From: gang.huang at tdmgp.com (Gang Huang)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 22:43:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Easy Reports?
In-Reply-To: <CAKkTUv0gsYsbgR4NL6XwTejwaCb5eVA=jSYFhdhNB=hVcM=HKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKkTUv0gsYsbgR4NL6XwTejwaCb5eVA=jSYFhdhNB=hVcM=HKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <-2088183366909180474@unknownmsgid>

What you are looking for is pandas.

On Aug 27, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Do you know if there are any packages that allow easy data analysis? I'm currently using mssql with 200 GB of data. Writing reports for each little variation is starting to be very annoying, not to motioned time consuming. Very fast I now have too many reports that are no longer valid as sales change. Is there storage that will store the data (updated once a month), and then provide some ui to analyze it?
>
> For example I would load the data in the most detail view into some table or some other format. Every part of information.
>
> Then send user to some UI page where they would say:
>
> I want all "sales" by zipcode
> ....
> actually lets do all sales by zipcode and city, and lets sort by $, and another by counts.
> ...
> looks like we are selling in 60641, lets dig in
> ....
> group by male, female, age, show counts, show $ (sort by any of the combinations)
> ....
> Then Vlookup (inner join) into product  table on product_id and lets sort by $sales/$cost...etc....
> etc.
>
> I'm looking for "group by", sum(), Avg(), sort by hitting a column name.
> Is there some python package that does it ? or a combination of different packages? R?, etc....
>
> Thanks
> Lucas
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Aug 28 06:26:17 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:26:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Easy Reports?
In-Reply-To: <-2088183366909180474@unknownmsgid>
References: <CAKkTUv0gsYsbgR4NL6XwTejwaCb5eVA=jSYFhdhNB=hVcM=HKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <-2088183366909180474@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSiLX8em3v29AJHFXbrJPqzyCtB9Z7zMAz-MzD_3naXQRA@mail.gmail.com>

http://pyvideo.org/search?models=videos.video&q=pandas



On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Gang Huang <gang.huang at tdmgp.com> wrote:
> What you are looking for is pandas.
>
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Do you know if there are any packages that allow easy data analysis? I'm currently using mssql with 200 GB of data. Writing reports for each little variation is starting to be very annoying, not to motioned time consuming. Very fast I now have too many reports that are no longer valid as sales change. Is there storage that will store the data (updated once a month), and then provide some ui to analyze it?
>>
>> For example I would load the data in the most detail view into some table or some other format. Every part of information.
>>
>> Then send user to some UI page where they would say:
>>
>> I want all "sales" by zipcode
>> ....
>> actually lets do all sales by zipcode and city, and lets sort by $, and another by counts.
>> ...
>> looks like we are selling in 60641, lets dig in
>> ....
>> group by male, female, age, show counts, show $ (sort by any of the combinations)
>> ....
>> Then Vlookup (inner join) into product  table on product_id and lets sort by $sales/$cost...etc....
>> etc.
>>
>> I'm looking for "group by", sum(), Avg(), sort by hitting a column name.
>> Is there some python package that does it ? or a combination of different packages? R?, etc....
>>
>> Thanks
>> Lucas
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



-- 
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From sk8asd123 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 06:26:45 2013
From: sk8asd123 at gmail.com (Sk8asd123)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:26:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Easy Reports?
Message-ID: <ECD712BA-5E40-4F2B-B26D-4F336BC1DF99@gmail.com>

I second Pandas as I do a similar reporting project. I also use SQLAlchemy to connect to the database.

-Paige

From brianherman at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 06:05:06 2013
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:05:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Easy Reports?
In-Reply-To: <-2088183366909180474@unknownmsgid>
References: <CAKkTUv0gsYsbgR4NL6XwTejwaCb5eVA=jSYFhdhNB=hVcM=HKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <-2088183366909180474@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wosQTxjm2QO71wweQF_OVyhQB3wfVm65Rzc1kEXVQXKVQ@mail.gmail.com>

*http://pandas.pydata.org/*
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From don at drakeconsulting.com  Wed Aug 28 05:50:15 2013
From: don at drakeconsulting.com (Don Drake)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 22:50:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Easy Reports?
In-Reply-To: <CAKkTUv0gsYsbgR4NL6XwTejwaCb5eVA=jSYFhdhNB=hVcM=HKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKkTUv0gsYsbgR4NL6XwTejwaCb5eVA=jSYFhdhNB=hVcM=HKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E41CB908-C55E-4C33-A1EE-8C34F9E078F9@drakeconsulting.com>


Here are some free non-Python solutions that can talk to your MSSQL database:

http://community.jaspersoft.com/
http://www.pentaho.com/explore/pentaho-business-analytics/

Commercial, but probably the best GUI tool:
http://www.tableausoftware.com/products/desktop

Pandas is an option for a python approach, but you will probably run out of memory if you need analyze anything close to your 200GB of data on a single machine.

-Don

--
Don Drake
www.drakeconsulting.com
www.maillaunder.com
312-560-1574
800-733-2143

On Aug 27, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Do you know if there are any packages that allow easy data analysis? I'm currently using mssql with 200 GB of data. Writing reports for each little variation is starting to be very annoying, not to motioned time consuming. Very fast I now have too many reports that are no longer valid as sales change. Is there storage that will store the data (updated once a month), and then provide some ui to analyze it?
> 
> For example I would load the data in the most detail view into some table or some other format. Every part of information.
> 
> Then send user to some UI page where they would say:
> 
> I want all "sales" by zipcode
> ....
> actually lets do all sales by zipcode and city, and lets sort by $, and another by counts.
> ...
> looks like we are selling in 60641, lets dig in
> ....
> group by male, female, age, show counts, show $ (sort by any of the combinations)
> ....
> Then Vlookup (inner join) into product  table on product_id and lets sort by $sales/$cost...etc....
> etc.
> 
> I'm looking for "group by", sum(), Avg(), sort by hitting a column name. 
> Is there some python package that does it ? or a combination of different packages? R?, etc....
> 
> Thanks
> Lucas
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 16:24:59 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:24:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
Message-ID: <CANKg38scE1H68sVUi8eudzSq0ez5+=KvwyTHbbH0T8qSvY8DMg@mail.gmail.com>

... who wants to present on something *interesting* at Braintree next month.

On a side note, Asheesh and I met and he is putting together a guide to
help us organizers. He mentions a "Project Night"
http://user-groups-beta.openhatch.org/#project-night  Do we want to try
this? Alternatively, it may be nice to have Django focused meeting since
DjangoCon will happen before http://www.djangocon.us/.

Also, in some cases it may be best I am not the BDFL of every ChiPy
meeting. In other words, it may be better that I *help* with logistics,
sponsorship, and running the meeting can have a revolving door based on who
is hosting.  That would be you Adam for next Month :)  I am not completely
sold on the idea; nonetheless, we can see how it goes. Your thoughts?

With all this said, I think we are well positioned to have The Best Meeting
EVER!!! RSVP is already open http://chipy.org

Thanks Everyone! Brian Ray

PS ping me off the list or apply on http://treemice.net if you want to
anonymously start communicating with any of the jobs mentioned on this list
or from our extensive network. Revenues help ChiPy! Get the best Python job
ever!

-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 16:25:49 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:25:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38scE1H68sVUi8eudzSq0ez5+=KvwyTHbbH0T8qSvY8DMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38scE1H68sVUi8eudzSq0ez5+=KvwyTHbbH0T8qSvY8DMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38uYTvhctQFgv+99Ub3N1VCSz8zBgnL-UXR+JAr8PrSpBA@mail.gmail.com>

I meant http://threemice.net Thanks!
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From jp at zavteq.com  Wed Aug 28 17:00:32 2013
From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:00:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38uYTvhctQFgv+99Ub3N1VCSz8zBgnL-UXR+JAr8PrSpBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38scE1H68sVUi8eudzSq0ez5+=KvwyTHbbH0T8qSvY8DMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANKg38uYTvhctQFgv+99Ub3N1VCSz8zBgnL-UXR+JAr8PrSpBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOL2cRT9JiqcMfNArzb-wRmOXVQ--fnAAdufzSMFtjt7DdqZwA@mail.gmail.com>

Now would be an excellent time to buy the domain treemice.net :)


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> I meant http://threemice.net Thanks!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 17:18:45 2013
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:18:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
In-Reply-To: <CAOL2cRT9JiqcMfNArzb-wRmOXVQ--fnAAdufzSMFtjt7DdqZwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38scE1H68sVUi8eudzSq0ez5+=KvwyTHbbH0T8qSvY8DMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANKg38uYTvhctQFgv+99Ub3N1VCSz8zBgnL-UXR+JAr8PrSpBA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOL2cRT9JiqcMfNArzb-wRmOXVQ--fnAAdufzSMFtjt7DdqZwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEwvNMg8Xc3h4V47X=PCA4zTBcVjYHYf_iPGHQ40qniHj=K5-g@mail.gmail.com>

I think the DjangoCon focus is a good idea.
+1 for anything on that.

Awhile back I attended (Randy from Chipy did too) the "Global Meetup Day"
for Udacity, a MOOC that uses Python almost exclusively. I'd be willing to
give a lightning talk about Python/MOOC/continuing education stuff.



-- 

-- 
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    213.675.5294
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From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Aug 28 18:01:20 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:01:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Easy Reports?
In-Reply-To: <E41CB908-C55E-4C33-A1EE-8C34F9E078F9@drakeconsulting.com>
References: <CAKkTUv0gsYsbgR4NL6XwTejwaCb5eVA=jSYFhdhNB=hVcM=HKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <E41CB908-C55E-4C33-A1EE-8C34F9E078F9@drakeconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSg9DUAZ0+6scb0H-zfR045zbgZA-=L1ri_b52-Sj+YAZw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Don Drake <don at drakeconsulting.com> wrote:
> Pandas is an option for a python approach, but you will probably run out of
> memory if you need analyze anything close to your 200GB of data on a single
> machine.

No clue if this will work for 200G.. but here a talk about it:

http://youtu.be/D1x_O36HZwo?t=17m42s

https://github.com/rduplain/expression_file

Lazy Pandas
An experiment in lazily loading data into a Python pandas v0.12.0 DataFrame.

Load the data into pandas.
... without aggressively consuming memory.
Too large to fit into memory?

http://slid.es/rduplain/lazy-pandas

-- 
Carl K

From adam at adamforsyth.net  Wed Aug 28 22:22:44 2013
From: adam at adamforsyth.net (Adam Forsyth)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:22:44 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38scE1H68sVUi8eudzSq0ez5+=KvwyTHbbH0T8qSvY8DMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38scE1H68sVUi8eudzSq0ez5+=KvwyTHbbH0T8qSvY8DMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABrs+N9+BXG1_XYJs2LzPkx-8bOuhwbfCw0qpS98okX+9+t96g@mail.gmail.com>

I'm glad to run the meeting, and I've cleverly found a sponsor for food and
drink -- Braintree. Let me know if there are any other logistics I need to
take care of other than the normal stuff from the other times we hosted.


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> ... who wants to present on something *interesting* at Braintree next
> month.
>
> On a side note, Asheesh and I met and he is putting together a guide to
> help us organizers. He mentions a "Project Night"
> http://user-groups-beta.openhatch.org/#project-night  Do we want to try
> this? Alternatively, it may be nice to have Django focused meeting since
> DjangoCon will happen before http://www.djangocon.us/.
>
> Also, in some cases it may be best I am not the BDFL of every ChiPy
> meeting. In other words, it may be better that I *help* with logistics,
> sponsorship, and running the meeting can have a revolving door based on who
> is hosting.  That would be you Adam for next Month :)  I am not completely
> sold on the idea; nonetheless, we can see how it goes. Your thoughts?
>
> With all this said, I think we are well positioned to have The Best
> Meeting EVER!!! RSVP is already open http://chipy.org
>
> Thanks Everyone! Brian Ray
>
> PS ping me off the list or apply on http://treemice.net if you want to
> anonymously start communicating with any of the jobs mentioned on this list
> or from our extensive network. Revenues help ChiPy! Get the best Python job
> ever!
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 22:44:55 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
In-Reply-To: <CABrs+N9+BXG1_XYJs2LzPkx-8bOuhwbfCw0qpS98okX+9+t96g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38scE1H68sVUi8eudzSq0ez5+=KvwyTHbbH0T8qSvY8DMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABrs+N9+BXG1_XYJs2LzPkx-8bOuhwbfCw0qpS98okX+9+t96g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38uY81=rR3pO+JWrTZJicH5cGyZKK-498DZAhDRRATKGfQ@mail.gmail.com>

You are amazing.  This is an easy one because Braintree is so awesome. I
think my preference would be for the stand-in organizer also set a theme to
the meeting.
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From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Aug 28 22:58:09 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:58:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
In-Reply-To: <CABrs+N9+BXG1_XYJs2LzPkx-8bOuhwbfCw0qpS98okX+9+t96g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38scE1H68sVUi8eudzSq0ez5+=KvwyTHbbH0T8qSvY8DMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABrs+N9+BXG1_XYJs2LzPkx-8bOuhwbfCw0qpS98okX+9+t96g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSgpvUOB1o3_1f3=YA5KQpBVnXaxQZY-zFEigcGWQG55Dg@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.chipy.org/pages/venue/requirements/

Cut/paste into an email, send me the answers.


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Adam Forsyth <adam at adamforsyth.net> wrote:
> I'm glad to run the meeting, and I've cleverly found a sponsor for food and
> drink -- Braintree. Let me know if there are any other logistics I need to
> take care of other than the normal stuff from the other times we hosted.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ... who wants to present on something *interesting* at Braintree next
>> month.
>>
>> On a side note, Asheesh and I met and he is putting together a guide to
>> help us organizers. He mentions a "Project Night"
>> http://user-groups-beta.openhatch.org/#project-night  Do we want to try
>> this? Alternatively, it may be nice to have Django focused meeting since
>> DjangoCon will happen before http://www.djangocon.us/.
>>
>> Also, in some cases it may be best I am not the BDFL of every ChiPy
>> meeting. In other words, it may be better that I *help* with logistics,
>> sponsorship, and running the meeting can have a revolving door based on who
>> is hosting.  That would be you Adam for next Month :)  I am not completely
>> sold on the idea; nonetheless, we can see how it goes. Your thoughts?
>>
>> With all this said, I think we are well positioned to have The Best
>> Meeting EVER!!! RSVP is already open http://chipy.org
>>
>> Thanks Everyone! Brian Ray
>>
>> PS ping me off the list or apply on http://treemice.net if you want to
>> anonymously start communicating with any of the jobs mentioned on this list
>> or from our extensive network. Revenues help ChiPy! Get the best Python job
>> ever!
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 23:00:25 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:00:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSgpvUOB1o3_1f3=YA5KQpBVnXaxQZY-zFEigcGWQG55Dg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38scE1H68sVUi8eudzSq0ez5+=KvwyTHbbH0T8qSvY8DMg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CANKg38uLbFj6eht0o9u4aWeZzRDJHPjhVzBnVp2YPxjaCCFAXg@mail.gmail.com>

Carl: this is a a repeat venue. I imagine things will be the same, no?
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Aug 29 00:52:07 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:52:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38uLbFj6eht0o9u4aWeZzRDJHPjhVzBnVp2YPxjaCCFAXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38scE1H68sVUi8eudzSq0ez5+=KvwyTHbbH0T8qSvY8DMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABrs+N9+BXG1_XYJs2LzPkx-8bOuhwbfCw0qpS98okX+9+t96g@mail.gmail.com>
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Sounds reasonable.

Pull their file and run it by them to confirm, then send it over to me ;)

I am not aware of ever getting a clean set of answers, so at best I
have do dig up a buch of emails, and even then it I likely gave up and
fell back on winging it.   That works, but is more work for me.




On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Carl: this is a a repeat venue. I imagine things will be the same, no?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 05:17:28 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:17:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
In-Reply-To: <CAEwvNMg8Xc3h4V47X=PCA4zTBcVjYHYf_iPGHQ40qniHj=K5-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38scE1H68sVUi8eudzSq0ez5+=KvwyTHbbH0T8qSvY8DMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANKg38uYTvhctQFgv+99Ub3N1VCSz8zBgnL-UXR+JAr8PrSpBA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOL2cRT9JiqcMfNArzb-wRmOXVQ--fnAAdufzSMFtjt7DdqZwA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMqL=ijqDRoT8rbdysTQG7BU3-WsA5WDMcNGzvR+pV2w8rTf0g@mail.gmail.com>

+1 for a Django talk

I am stopped in chapter six of The Django Book while I prepare myself
mentally to tackle tarbell, virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper.

I have enjoyed several MOOCs while learning basic Python.


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the DjangoCon focus is a good idea.
> +1 for anything on that.
>
> Awhile back I attended (Randy from Chipy did too) the "Global Meetup Day"
> for Udacity, a MOOC that uses Python almost exclusively. I'd be willing to
> give a lightning talk about Python/MOOC/continuing education stuff.
>
>
>
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>
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>     213.675.5294
>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 05:31:53 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:31:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
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All of edx (Stanfird, Harvard,MIT) is a at core a big django solution.

Would people be interested in hearing some basics, overview of that?
 On Aug 28, 2013 10:17 PM, "Randy Baxley" <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 for a Django talk
>
> I am stopped in chapter six of The Django Book while I prepare myself
> mentally to tackle tarbell, virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper.
>
> I have enjoyed several MOOCs while learning basic Python.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think the DjangoCon focus is a good idea.
>> +1 for anything on that.
>>
>> Awhile back I attended (Randy from Chipy did too) the "Global Meetup Day"
>> for Udacity, a MOOC that uses Python almost exclusively. I'd be willing to
>> give a lightning talk about Python/MOOC/continuing education stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> --
>> Jason Wirth
>>     213.675.5294
>>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From adam at adamforsyth.net  Thu Aug 29 00:57:21 2013
From: adam at adamforsyth.net (Adam Forsyth)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:57:21 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
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Let me know off list if you want / need access to the loading dock. I can
stay around however long so there is no rush getting packed up after the
meeting.

Otherwise, answers from our events team (aka Stephanie) below.

Podium - Something for the presenter to stand behind and put his laptop on.
YES

VGA Monitor on a small table near the podium - this will be what is being
displayed by the projector.  It is nice if you have it, but not at all a
requirement.
NO

Power to podium so the laptop doesn't have to run on batteries.
YES

15 pin VGA cable from podium to projector.  HDMI is cool, but not
everyone's laptop has it, and HDMI will not be recorded.
YES

Projector and screen
YES

PA system:
Amp and speakers - built in or freestanding.  Even if this is not needed
for the audience to hear the presentation (which is hard to predict), it is
needed to get good audio for the recording.  If you don't understand,
that's OK.
YES

Wireless headset - presenters will typically type, it is hard to hold a mic
and type.
We have a wireless headset, but the sound quality isn't as good as it is
with the hand mic.

Hand held mic - The MC needs something, and often it will be handed to
people to make a 30 second announcement.
YES

Unbalanced audio input from laptop - once in a while the presenter will
want to feed the audio from their laptop into the PA system.  Holding the
hand held mic next to the laptop speakers is often good enough.
We don't have an input from the speaker into the laptop. We've used the
handheld mic before and it's worked well.


Front Of House table 30' from podium. This is where the recording will
happen - big enough for 2 people with laptops power to table
We have a number of tables that can be moved around the room and used for
this.

Balanced line level between PA and table - either from or to, depending on
who is supplying mics.
Not sure what this means.

Wired ethernet from podium to table.
Internet connection  - 1.5mbs for streaming. (optional)
We have wireless internet. We don't have ethernet ports in the room where
the presentation will happen.

Chairs for 30 - 50.  Often many people will stand, so don't worry too much.
Table or 2 in back for pizza and beer.
Garbage can for garbage.
Recycling for bottles.
We have all of the above.

When does the RSVP list need to be submitted?
24 hours in advance. We have to enter each attendees name in our visitor's
system which can take some time. That said, we can always add last minute
RSVP's the day of.

What time can we start setting up the room.
5:00 pm

How long can we stay in the room?
As long as Adam is wiling to stay.

Where can AV equipment be unloaded?
There is limited street/meter parking in front of our building. Or a paid
lot across the street.



On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> Sounds reasonable.
>
> Pull their file and run it by them to confirm, then send it over to me ;)
>
> I am not aware of ever getting a clean set of answers, so at best I
> have do dig up a buch of emails, and even then it I likely gave up and
> fell back on winging it.   That works, but is more work for me.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Carl: this is a a repeat venue. I imagine things will be the same, no?
> >
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 05:56:35 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:56:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
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I am sort of plus 1 and minus one on that.  The EdX platform seemed ok but
the 6.0 lecturers put me to sleep.  I find the testing of student's
functions interesting even when the testing process fails working code
because all possible solutions were not tested.


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> All of edx (Stanfird, Harvard,MIT) is a at core a big django solution.
>
> Would people be interested in hearing some basics, overview of that?
>  On Aug 28, 2013 10:17 PM, "Randy Baxley" <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 for a Django talk
>>
>> I am stopped in chapter six of The Django Book while I prepare myself
>> mentally to tackle tarbell, virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper.
>>
>> I have enjoyed several MOOCs while learning basic Python.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I think the DjangoCon focus is a good idea.
>>> +1 for anything on that.
>>>
>>> Awhile back I attended (Randy from Chipy did too) the "Global Meetup
>>> Day" for Udacity, a MOOC that uses Python almost exclusively. I'd be
>>> willing to give a lightning talk about Python/MOOC/continuing education
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jason Wirth
>>>     213.675.5294
>>>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 06:26:30 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 23:26:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am sort of plus 1 and minus one on that.
>

Ok...


>  The EdX platform seemed ok but the 6.0 lecturers put me to sleep.
>

The course - any particular course is not the same as the delivery and
development platform, you realize...
(don't know what you mean by "the 6.0 lecturers...")


>  I find the testing of student's functions interesting even when the
> testing process fails working code because all possible solutions were not
> tested.
>

The platform doesn't provide testing of student functions / code, the
courseware author does.
Again, I'm not sure if you're thinking in terms of the underlying system
for delivery, and how it facilitates (where it does) for course authors to
design their (basically) django apps to test student homework.

For example, why would anyone test "all possible solutions" of code ...
_ever_?

For courseware, the solution has little to do with it being a django app
underneath:   you can lint the language (enforce certain style guidelines
as part of grading),  you can run unit and interface tests on the turned in
assignments to ensure that functionality is achieved;   you can  look at
code structure and size (programmatically).   These are interesting
challenges in delivering MOOCs, but they are not about the edx django
underpinnings.



>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> All of edx (Stanfird, Harvard,MIT) is a at core a big django solution.
>>
>> Would people be interested in hearing some basics, overview of that?
>>  On Aug 28, 2013 10:17 PM, "Randy Baxley" <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for a Django talk
>>>
>>> I am stopped in chapter six of The Django Book while I prepare myself
>>> mentally to tackle tarbell, virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper.
>>>
>>> I have enjoyed several MOOCs while learning basic Python.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the DjangoCon focus is a good idea.
>>>> +1 for anything on that.
>>>>
>>>> Awhile back I attended (Randy from Chipy did too) the "Global Meetup
>>>> Day" for Udacity, a MOOC that uses Python almost exclusively. I'd be
>>>> willing to give a lightning talk about Python/MOOC/continuing education
>>>> stuff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jason Wirth
>>>>     213.675.5294
>>>>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brian at python.org  Thu Aug 29 07:05:37 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 00:05:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am sort of plus 1 and minus one on that.  The EdX platform seemed ok but
> the 6.0 lecturers put me to sleep.  I find the testing of student's
> functions interesting even when the testing process fails working code
> because all possible solutions were not tested.

The good thing is that lecturers putting you to sleep has nothing to
do with what Yarko could be talking about.

From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 07:50:34 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 00:50:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
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(precisely Brian Curtin).

Perhaps an overview of the architecture of a MOOC delivery system in
general, with edx as the example, and an instructional on installing it and
playing with yourself would be a sufficient talk / presentation for a ChiPy?

Regards,
- Yarko


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I am sort of plus 1 and minus one on that.  The EdX platform seemed ok
> but
> > the 6.0 lecturers put me to sleep.  I find the testing of student's
> > functions interesting even when the testing process fails working code
> > because all possible solutions were not tested.
>
> The good thing is that lecturers putting you to sleep has nothing to
> do with what Yarko could be talking about.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 08:21:32 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:21:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
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iirc the 6.0 was the python intro course for MIT.  The lectures put me to
sleep but may not do that to others.  That kept me though from sticking
with their class.  I went over to the Coursera class for intro python from
U of Toronto and Dr. Chuck from U of Michigan who likes to try different
MOOCs.  Both of these did the type of testing you mentioned.  I found that
testing process interesting.  The Rice course used peer review instead.
 CodeSchool I think was the other one that had you submit code to a testing
process.

I think if their is an open source MOOC in python and Django it would be
very interesting to go through The Django Book and build a course for the
book.


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I am sort of plus 1 and minus one on that.
>>
>
> Ok...
>
>
>>  The EdX platform seemed ok but the 6.0 lecturers put me to sleep.
>>
>
> The course - any particular course is not the same as the delivery and
> development platform, you realize...
> (don't know what you mean by "the 6.0 lecturers...")
>
>
>>   I find the testing of student's functions interesting even when the
>> testing process fails working code because all possible solutions were not
>> tested.
>>
>
> The platform doesn't provide testing of student functions / code, the
> courseware author does.
> Again, I'm not sure if you're thinking in terms of the underlying system
> for delivery, and how it facilitates (where it does) for course authors to
> design their (basically) django apps to test student homework.
>
> For example, why would anyone test "all possible solutions" of code ...
> _ever_?
>
> For courseware, the solution has little to do with it being a django app
> underneath:   you can lint the language (enforce certain style guidelines
> as part of grading),  you can run unit and interface tests on the turned in
> assignments to ensure that functionality is achieved;   you can  look at
> code structure and size (programmatically).   These are interesting
> challenges in delivering MOOCs, but they are not about the edx django
> underpinnings.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> All of edx (Stanfird, Harvard,MIT) is a at core a big django solution.
>>>
>>> Would people be interested in hearing some basics, overview of that?
>>>  On Aug 28, 2013 10:17 PM, "Randy Baxley" <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 for a Django talk
>>>>
>>>> I am stopped in chapter six of The Django Book while I prepare myself
>>>> mentally to tackle tarbell, virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper.
>>>>
>>>> I have enjoyed several MOOCs while learning basic Python.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the DjangoCon focus is a good idea.
>>>>> +1 for anything on that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Awhile back I attended (Randy from Chipy did too) the "Global Meetup
>>>>> Day" for Udacity, a MOOC that uses Python almost exclusively. I'd be
>>>>> willing to give a lightning talk about Python/MOOC/continuing education
>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jason Wirth
>>>>>     213.675.5294
>>>>>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 08:22:35 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:22:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
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That is the plus one.


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I am sort of plus 1 and minus one on that.  The EdX platform seemed ok
> but
> > the 6.0 lecturers put me to sleep.  I find the testing of student's
> > functions interesting even when the testing process fails working code
> > because all possible solutions were not tested.
>
> The good thing is that lecturers putting you to sleep has nothing to
> do with what Yarko could be talking about.
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 08:28:53 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:28:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
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+1

There you go. (McCloud)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCloud_(TV_series)

The character's signature
catchphrase<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catchphrase> was
"There ya go!", often received with bemusement or puzzlement by the
listener. (One exception was a character played by John
Denver<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Denver>;
at the end of the show they traded catchphrases, Denver responding "There
ya go!" to McCloud's "Far out!")


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> (precisely Brian Curtin).
>
> Perhaps an overview of the architecture of a MOOC delivery system in
> general, with edx as the example, and an instructional on installing it and
> playing with yourself would be a sufficient talk / presentation for a ChiPy?
>
> Regards,
> - Yarko
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I am sort of plus 1 and minus one on that.  The EdX platform seemed ok
>> but
>> > the 6.0 lecturers put me to sleep.  I find the testing of student's
>> > functions interesting even when the testing process fails working code
>> > because all possible solutions were not tested.
>>
>> The good thing is that lecturers putting you to sleep has nothing to
>> do with what Yarko could be talking about.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Aug 29 16:19:40 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:19:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
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I am +1 on this.


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> (precisely Brian Curtin).
>
> Perhaps an overview of the architecture of a MOOC delivery system in
> general, with edx as the example, and an instructional on installing it and
> playing with yourself would be a sufficient talk / presentation for a ChiPy?
>
> Regards,
> - Yarko
>



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From asheesh at asheesh.org  Thu Aug 29 20:36:33 2013
From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:36:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Shall ChiPy have a "project night"?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308291426550.24352@rose.makesad.us>

Hey ChiPy folks! I'm a vagabond Python community organizer, and in a diff 
thread, Brian mentioned my idea that ChiPy host a thing called a project 
night. So I thought I'd take a moment to elaborate and see what y'all 
think.

As context:

Project nights are user group meetings where attendees come with their 
laptop computers and a desire to work on something Python-related. These 
kinds of meetings are often the first thing that user groups add when they 
want to become more welcoming to newcomers. They're intended to be 
open-ended, social, and inviting. No agenda, just encouraging people to 
work on whatever they'd like and/or find other people to work with.

I explain more here: http://user-groups-beta.openhatch.org/#project-night

I'm on a mission to help more Python user groups be more interesting and 
welcoming to newcomers, so I thought I'd see here what people think. 
First, a quick request; I'm trying to gauge interest, so if you would like 
this sort of meeting, reply to me <asheesh at asheesh.org> with:

+1


The event is pretty easy to run; it requires finding a venue with laptop 
space, and then making a sign-up page that has some friendly, inclusive 
language. (And you can even copy other groups' sign-up pages if you click 
on the above link to find samples.)

Some user groups (like Boston's) run one project night and one 
lecture-style meeting night monthly. I would say, try doing one first, see 
how ChiPy likes it, and then dream about committing to a frequency.


So, second -- if there's someone on the list willing to be the organizer 
of such an event, please stand up. (-: If not, I'll have to call on 
someone. (-;

I'm on the list, and happy to discuss the idea further and take questions 
about how it works, what the goals are, etc. Hopefully many of those are 
answered at the link I gave, but who knows; that's why it says, "beta".

-- Asheesh.


From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 21:24:11 2013
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:24:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Shall ChiPy have a "project night"?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308291426550.24352@rose.makesad.us>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308291426550.24352@rose.makesad.us>
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I'm  down... But two questions...

1) Whats your definition of "night"? It's often hard for me remake nights
with my crazy schedule, Chipy meetings are hard enough (but they are so
awesome so I go out of my way), but I'd be down for organizing
weekday events, like Friday afternoons.

2) What if I don't like curry in a hurry? ;)

Jason


On Thursday, August 29, 2013, Asheesh Laroia wrote:

> Hey ChiPy folks! I'm a vagabond Python community organizer, and in a diff
> thread, Brian mentioned my idea that ChiPy host a thing called a project
> night. So I thought I'd take a moment to elaborate and see what y'all think.
>
> As context:
>
> Project nights are user group meetings where attendees come with their
> laptop computers and a desire to work on something Python-related. These
> kinds of meetings are often the first thing that user groups add when they
> want to become more welcoming to newcomers. They're intended to be
> open-ended, social, and inviting. No agenda, just encouraging people to
> work on whatever they'd like and/or find other people to work with.
>
> I explain more here: http://user-groups-beta.**
> openhatch.org/#project-night<http://user-groups-beta.openhatch.org/#project-night>
>
> I'm on a mission to help more Python user groups be more interesting and
> welcoming to newcomers, so I thought I'd see here what people think. First,
> a quick request; I'm trying to gauge interest, so if you would like this
> sort of meeting, reply to me <asheesh at asheesh.org> with:
>
> +1
>
>
> The event is pretty easy to run; it requires finding a venue with laptop
> space, and then making a sign-up page that has some friendly, inclusive
> language. (And you can even copy other groups' sign-up pages if you click
> on the above link to find samples.)
>
> Some user groups (like Boston's) run one project night and one
> lecture-style meeting night monthly. I would say, try doing one first, see
> how ChiPy likes it, and then dream about committing to a frequency.
>
>
> So, second -- if there's someone on the list willing to be the organizer
> of such an event, please stand up. (-: If not, I'll have to call on
> someone. (-;
>
> I'm on the list, and happy to discuss the idea further and take questions
> about how it works, what the goals are, etc. Hopefully many of those are
> answered at the link I gave, but who knows; that's why it says, "beta".
>
> -- Asheesh.
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/chicago<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
>


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-- 
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    213.675.5294
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 22:00:59 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:00:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy is Awesome
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ok, then - I'll start some slides, and see how this shapes up.   If I like
it, I'll register the "make a talk" on Chipy.org.   If it goes well, I'll
expand, submit for PyCon.

While I'm at it, I have a "different" talk, "What's Love got to do with
it?" - sort of encouraged by Paul Fenwick's talk at OSCON ("Fear,
Uncertainty, and Dopamine"), and further discussions with him at the
survivor's breakfast.

I'll be doing a "What's Love got to do with it" in San Francisco on Nov.
10th, and would also like to submit for PyCon (but it really deserves an
"all" audience).

If you're up for hearing it, I'd appreciate it, reactions, feedback.

What's it all about?  Love, explained for techy's, and applied to community
building, and non-human systems ("love" in your code & APIs - it works
everywhere!).    Love is functional, not attributional, that is it is
behaviors, not a feeling (http://davericho.com - see the "free book" p.72,
 about "The 5A's" - Dave will be with me in the S.F. un-talk / discussion).
   If it's functional, what are those functions?   How did they arise (e.g.
what was their purpose?)   What does this say about open source
communities?   And - hey!   Where is the manual!?!

I'll provide an overview, some chuckles, some real examples, and the
introductory portion of the manual.
~20 min?

Deal?


Regards,
- Yarko


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:19 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> I am +1 on this.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> (precisely Brian Curtin).
>>
>> Perhaps an overview of the architecture of a MOOC delivery system in
>> general, with edx as the example, and an instructional on installing it and
>> playing with yourself would be a sufficient talk / presentation for a ChiPy?
>>
>> Regards,
>> - Yarko
>>
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 22:14:12 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:14:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Shall ChiPy have a "project night"?
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+1

(with the caveats Jason WIrth already raised).

I'd also be up for an "afternoon" - but for me that would be a Thursday
afernoon (my "work from home / work on my own" days).


Regards,
- Yarko

Regards,
- Yarko


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm  down... But two questions...
>
> 1) Whats your definition of "night"? It's often hard for me remake nights
> with my crazy schedule, Chipy meetings are hard enough (but they are so
> awesome so I go out of my way), but I'd be down for organizing
> weekday events, like Friday afternoons.
>
> 2) What if I don't like curry in a hurry? ;)
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 29, 2013, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
>
>> Hey ChiPy folks! I'm a vagabond Python community organizer, and in a diff
>> thread, Brian mentioned my idea that ChiPy host a thing called a project
>> night. So I thought I'd take a moment to elaborate and see what y'all think.
>>
>> As context:
>>
>> Project nights are user group meetings where attendees come with their
>> laptop computers and a desire to work on something Python-related. These
>> kinds of meetings are often the first thing that user groups add when they
>> want to become more welcoming to newcomers. They're intended to be
>> open-ended, social, and inviting. No agenda, just encouraging people to
>> work on whatever they'd like and/or find other people to work with.
>>
>> I explain more here: http://user-groups-beta.**
>> openhatch.org/#project-night<http://user-groups-beta.openhatch.org/#project-night>
>>
>> I'm on a mission to help more Python user groups be more interesting and
>> welcoming to newcomers, so I thought I'd see here what people think. First,
>> a quick request; I'm trying to gauge interest, so if you would like this
>> sort of meeting, reply to me <asheesh at asheesh.org> with:
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>> The event is pretty easy to run; it requires finding a venue with laptop
>> space, and then making a sign-up page that has some friendly, inclusive
>> language. (And you can even copy other groups' sign-up pages if you click
>> on the above link to find samples.)
>>
>> Some user groups (like Boston's) run one project night and one
>> lecture-style meeting night monthly. I would say, try doing one first, see
>> how ChiPy likes it, and then dream about committing to a frequency.
>>
>>
>> So, second -- if there's someone on the list willing to be the organizer
>> of such an event, please stand up. (-: If not, I'll have to call on
>> someone. (-;
>>
>> I'm on the list, and happy to discuss the idea further and take questions
>> about how it works, what the goals are, etc. Hopefully many of those are
>> answered at the link I gave, but who knows; that's why it says, "beta".
>>
>> -- Asheesh.
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/chicago<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> --
> Jason Wirth
>     213.675.5294
>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From asheesh at asheesh.org  Thu Aug 29 23:28:15 2013
From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:28:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Shall ChiPy have a "project night"?
In-Reply-To: <CAEwvNMi2Wt+QfREoFWY-Nk90R=f9fGdU7gMHbwvwpy3sE0eWkg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308291712001.3656@rose.makesad.us>

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013, Jason Wirth wrote:

> I'm ?down... But two questions...

> 1) Whats your definition of "night"? It's often hard for me remake 
> nights with my crazy schedule, Chipy meetings are hard enough (but they 
> are so awesome so I go out of my way), but I'd be down for organizing 
> weekday?events, like Friday afternoons.

In my mind, one of the key distinctions between a "project night" and a 
"co-working get together" is that the former is something that a group 
puts on, with an eye toward welcoming new people into group, and the 
latter is something that friends or co-workers put together for each 
other.

Here's a pseudo-random project night info page from the Boston Python 
website: http://www.meetup.com/bostonpython/events/34664362/

According to this, 75 people attended. I imagine it'd be hard to get that 
kind of attendance for something on a weekday afternoon. And if your goal 
is to have a small get together, that is totally fine.

The reason I'm excited about "project nights" is because of their 
potential for bringing and retaining people into the group, and also 
generally setting a welcoming tone to the group, so doing that at the 75 
person scale is more interesting to me than doing it on the 10-12 person 
scale.

ChiPy people should feel very free to organize "ChiPy co-working times", 
or something like that; I just want to (if y'all are OK with it) reserve 
the term "project night" for that bigger, intentionally newcomer-friendly 
space.

Given that, I should say that it's not essential it be a night. For 
example, a weekday afternoon could work just fine. I find it helpful to 
try to think about as general an attendee as possible -- many people have 
constraints related to family or work, and the work constraints are often 
very hard to fiddle with. This is especially applicable to people who are 
hobbyist programmers while working at some non-tech job; we can offer them 
work-life salvation if only they come to our project nights, practice 
Python, and get hired by other ChiPy members. (-;

(That is to say, tech jobs are often extra flexible in this way.)

So I'd say -- if you organize the event on Friday afternoon, try to call 
it a ChiPy Co-working Event, but I hope enough people are excited about 
the bigger format.

If you run a "Project night" on a weekend, I suggest "Projects Time" or 
similar. An interesting thing about names is that, usually, no one refuses 
to come to an event because it has a straightforward name, but in my 
experience people do feel intimidated by jargon in event titles like 
"hack." So best to keep it straightforward. Once they're there, we can 
teach them the jargon.

> 2) What if I don't like curry in a hurry? ;)

I... what?

...is this a reference to my PyCon scraping tutorial, or to a place I used 
to eat lunch five years ago? If so, you have an amazing memory. If not, 
then I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. (-:



Anyway, I got some +1s on IRC and by private email! Yay! I'd say we just 
need someone to step up and decide to organize it. I'm far away (San 
Francisco) so that can't be me, but I'd be happy to mentor a person who 
wants to do that if you want to have a higher-bandwidth conversation 
(phone, Google Hangouts, Mumble, etc.). That, and we need a venue and a 
sponsor and the rest, but that comes next once we have someone in charge. 
(Could be Brian Ray, if he wants, or it could be anyone else who replies 
to this saying "PICK ME PICK ME".)

-- Asheesh.

From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Aug 30 02:27:30 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:27:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Shall ChiPy have a "project night"?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308291712001.3656@rose.makesad.us>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308291426550.24352@rose.makesad.us>
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On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Asheesh Laroia <asheesh at asheesh.org> wrote:
>> 1) Whats your definition of "night"? It's often hard for me remake nights
>> with my crazy schedule, Chipy meetings are hard enough (but they are so
>> awesome so I go out of my way), but I'd be down for organizing weekday
>> events, like Friday afternoons.
>
>
> In my mind, one of the key distinctions between a "project night" and a
> "co-working get together" is that the former is something that a group puts
> on, with an eye toward welcoming new people into group, and the latter is
> something that friends or co-workers put together for each other.

Learning over productivity.

No one should be hesitant to ask for help because they think they
would be breaking someones flow. We are not there to get things done,
we are there to learn.

It should be restricted to learning Python.  It is easy to get
derailed into trying to install Linux, or html/css browser problems.
It's great that a bunch of people are learning random things, but if
we hare concentrating on something other than Python, we are not
learning Python.

-- 
Carl K

From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 03:45:30 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:45:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Shall ChiPy have a "project night"?
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSjwHxr5zXa76T=01+XNHb0wpDb82VDbqNJJyB9uXrktSA@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> derailed into trying to install Linux, or html/css browser problems.
>

So true.


-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From brian at python.org  Fri Aug 30 05:56:16 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:56:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Shall ChiPy have a "project night"?
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On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Asheesh Laroia <asheesh at asheesh.org> wrote:
>>> 1) Whats your definition of "night"? It's often hard for me remake nights
>>> with my crazy schedule, Chipy meetings are hard enough (but they are so
>>> awesome so I go out of my way), but I'd be down for organizing weekday
>>> events, like Friday afternoons.
>>
>>
>> In my mind, one of the key distinctions between a "project night" and a
>> "co-working get together" is that the former is something that a group puts
>> on, with an eye toward welcoming new people into group, and the latter is
>> something that friends or co-workers put together for each other.
>
> Learning over productivity.
>
> No one should be hesitant to ask for help because they think they
> would be breaking someones flow. We are not there to get things done,
> we are there to learn.
>
> It should be restricted to learning Python.  It is easy to get
> derailed into trying to install Linux, or html/css browser problems.
> It's great that a bunch of people are learning random things, but if
> we hare concentrating on something other than Python, we are not
> learning Python.

I think you're suggesting something else that could also occur, but a
project night is a project night. It *is* productivity - working on a
project. Learning night or whatever you want to call it could be
another thing, or *the* thing if that's what people actually want, but
that's not a project night.

From wendygaminelli at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 07:54:37 2013
From: wendygaminelli at gmail.com (Wendy Minelli)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:54:37 +0300
Subject: [Chicago] Who's hiring?
In-Reply-To: <CABrs+N_408ZcanFW47AGuOVD6Y_DUbynCF=53xiCuw7bzFUv4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABrs+N_408ZcanFW47AGuOVD6Y_DUbynCF=53xiCuw7bzFUv4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZ=V=8e3ZVLs8DS7_fd3x5OzTdz43Uni=3+WsM1yQPypA=B5w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, everyone, for the warm welcome!

I'll be in touch with some of you soon.

Wendy


>
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Wendy Minelli <wendygaminelli at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'll be moving to Chicago soon and I'm looking into job options.
>>
>> My Python experience is in Web programming including Django, Werkzeug,
>> and Pylons. (I also do some Ruby/Rails.)
>>
>> I did my homework on job boards like Dice and Indeed, and also job-offer
>> sites like Work for Pie and FiveYearItch, but some direct advice would be
>> good:
>>
>> What companies are hiring Python devs in Chicagoland?
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From steder at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 15:43:52 2013
From: steder at gmail.com (Mike Steder)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:43:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Who's hiring?
In-Reply-To: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZ=V=8qB+DPSem9pCL38dhz-TaR7GnT8J_mbpWz1rtJ1e++Ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALnGnWmF4G4GYRL4PGbqNKpxYHvTJ1tx+Px15T260G9rLaFSYw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Wendy,

You're background makes you sound like you could be a good fit at
Threadless.  I'm the lead engineer over there and we're looking for new
engineers to help us help artists.  Hit me up at mikes at threadless.com if
you'd like to chat.

~Mike




On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Wendy Minelli <wendygaminelli at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'll be moving to Chicago soon and I'm looking into job options.
>
> My Python experience is in Web programming including Django, Werkzeug, and
> Pylons. (I also do some Ruby/Rails.)
>
> I did my homework on job boards like Dice and Indeed, and also job-offer
> sites like Work for Pie and FiveYearItch, but some direct advice would be
> good:
>
> What companies are hiring Python devs in Chicagoland?
>
> Wendy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Aug 30 18:34:26 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:34:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Shall ChiPy have a "project night"?
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqNKHjgHxNbv-DKnnutGisqbQmcTxqCmC+xwtScMH4ENA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308291426550.24352@rose.makesad.us>
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On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:


> > It should be restricted to learning Python.  It is easy to get
> > derailed into trying to install Linux, or html/css browser problems.
> > It's great that a bunch of people are learning random things, but if
> > we hare concentrating on something other than Python, we are not
> > learning Python.
>
> I think you're suggesting something else that could also occur, but a
> project night is a project night. It *is* productivity - working on a
> project. Learning night or whatever you want to call it could be
> another thing, or *the* thing if that's what people actually want, but
> that's not a project night.
>

I am with Brian here.

For example, Someone might show up who is figuring out how to use static
files (css) when hosting a django site on heroku. I am not against that
person maybe asking the room if someone has done that before.

Maybe Asheesh has advice as to whether a project night requires a library
voice?




-- 
sheila
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 18:31:43 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:31:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Insider's guide to djangocon
Message-ID: <CANKg38sPU9QDNdX8R=oiZbLRRXv6HwUFBFpcTLi6VNFSoaT9Qw@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone has some tips of things going on at or around the conference,
please post them!

For out of towners, a field trip to PS1 or some touristy things might be
fun.

-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 19:03:21 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:03:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Insider's guide to djangocon
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38sPU9QDNdX8R=oiZbLRRXv6HwUFBFpcTLi6VNFSoaT9Qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sPU9QDNdX8R=oiZbLRRXv6HwUFBFpcTLi6VNFSoaT9Qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ+Z=PKwoAAZsKrB6QQ+xU56QKBysQVK8B1usKOG4K1hBxSX3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Well, for starters  a few people are going on their own to Cubbies /
Philles game on Sunday afternoon.

tweet #djangocon if you're there, and search up for people.
Better yet, come early and lunch/beer at Casey
Morans<http://www.caseymorans.com/> and
meet fellow djangonauts (is that a word???).

Be sure to checkout the "Evening Events" on http://www.djangocon.us/...

... and keep an eye on twitter!



Regards,
- Yarko


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> If anyone has some tips of things going on at or around the conference,
> please post them!
>
> For out of towners, a field trip to PS1 or some touristy things might be
> fun.
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
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> Chicago at python.org
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From g at rre.tt  Fri Aug 30 19:17:24 2013
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:17:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chipy discount for Chicago Erlang conference (off topic)
Message-ID: <CACU=p6sJ_D+M4TVxT1PU04uCYwqNcj8WkKVQw5FTPGpaoVK+nw@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies for the off topic post, but I thought this might be of
interest to some.

The Erlang user group in town is hosting a conference in Chicago on October 4:

  http://chicagoerlang.com/?code=chipyrules

This is a one day event that focuses on scalability topics -- with
some functional programming thrown in. If you're curious to learn
about the language, it's super powers, use cases, etc. I think you'll
find this quite valuable.

I've setup a promotional code (15% off) for Chipy -- if you're
interested please use this code when registering:

  chipyrules

Again, apologies for the non Python post - if anyone is *genuinely*
offended, I'll buy you a beer at the next Chipy meeting. [1]

Garrett

[1] Offer applies to the first 12 genuinely offended individuals. You
MUST reply off list to receive this benefit. I reserve the right to
select the beer, but rest assured it will be excellent!

From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 21:11:18 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:11:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chipy discount for Chicago Erlang conference (off
	topic)
In-Reply-To: <CACU=p6sJ_D+M4TVxT1PU04uCYwqNcj8WkKVQw5FTPGpaoVK+nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACU=p6sJ_D+M4TVxT1PU04uCYwqNcj8WkKVQw5FTPGpaoVK+nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ+Z=PK7TZJCh_+D52Gh5tY0CbRyKE8mz0=mR_wPhVx6NH+1PA@mail.gmail.com>

well - if you put it _That_ way.....   "I'm *genuinely* offended!"  ;-)


Regards,
- Yarko


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:

> Apologies for the off topic post, but I thought this might be of
> interest to some.
>
> The Erlang user group in town is hosting a conference in Chicago on
> October 4:
>
>   http://chicagoerlang.com/?code=chipyrules
>
> This is a one day event that focuses on scalability topics -- with
> some functional programming thrown in. If you're curious to learn
> about the language, it's super powers, use cases, etc. I think you'll
> find this quite valuable.
>
> I've setup a promotional code (15% off) for Chipy -- if you're
> interested please use this code when registering:
>
>   chipyrules
>
> Again, apologies for the non Python post - if anyone is *genuinely*
> offended, I'll buy you a beer at the next Chipy meeting. [1]
>
> Garrett
>
> [1] Offer applies to the first 12 genuinely offended individuals. You
> MUST reply off list to receive this benefit. I reserve the right to
> select the beer, but rest assured it will be excellent!
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
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From kbuckvold at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 31 00:26:25 2013
From: kbuckvold at hotmail.com (Kari Buckvold)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:26:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for an arcpy mentor/study buddy
Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS257FEA0F98A614BB7DFECC2AA350@phx.gbl>

Hello, I am a GIS professional with about 5 years of experience who has been studying Python as it relates to ESRI's ArcGIS.  I have been studying the text "Python Scripting for ArcGIS" by Paul Zandbergen for the last two months and have learned tons, I have even created a couple of scripts on my own. But let's face it, it's hard to learn this on my own and every once in awhile, I'd like to hit the "Easy Button" for the solutions instead of hitting my head up against the wall over and over.  I'm hoping that there are some Python users here in Chicago that are familiar with arcpy who can share their expertise with me or who are also learning it so we can help each other.

I've been to one ChiPy meetup and plan to be at BrainTree on September 12th, I hope to meet some other GISers!



From asheesh at asheesh.org  Sat Aug 31 02:20:46 2013
From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 20:20:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Who will run the first Project Night?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308302001530.29691@rose.makesad.us>

A bunch of people emailed me with a +1, and it seems the consensus on this 
list is that a project night would be great.

Now, we just need someone to take the lead in organizing it. Can that be 
you?

If so, reply with a "Yeah, I'll do it" and we'll take it from there.


Keep in mind: the event will be great, and ChiPy organizers and I remotely 
are willing to help you, and afterward, everyone will remember fondly that 
you are the one who made it happen.

To get the event off the ground, I think it would take about 2-5 hours of 
effort from whoever is the lead organizer.

The steps would be:


Pre-event
---------


* Email this list saying, "Yeah, I'll do it", declaring that you'll 
spearhead getting the first Project Night off the ground.

* Optional: Have a Google Hangouts or Skype video chat with me to make 
sure we're on the same page.

* Email Brian Ray and see what venue might be appropriate. You'd need to 
find a venue what can support 20-50 people on laptops.

* Also ask Brian Ray who might be able to sponsor food for the event.

* Pick a date and time, and send an announcement to the ChiPy list and 
probably post it to http://www.meetup.com/ChiPyFans/ as well.

* If you're willing, find some other relevant groups to cross-post the 
event to. I have some ideas on this.

* Email the Chicago Python list saying you are looking for people willing 
to help newcomers by being willing to answer questions. Just getting a few 
people (2-3) would be fine. (I've already heard from one such person!)

* Create a web page (perhaps on the openhatch.org/wiki/ ) with recommend 
resources for newcomers. I can help somewhat with this! Starting point: 
https://openhatch.org/wiki/Project_night


At event
--------


* Show up to the venue a little early, and make sure food and drinks work 
out fine.

* At the venue, organize the seating into smallish groups (3-10 people per 
table), and put a white 8.5x11 sheet of paper on that table with the 
words, written with a Sharpie, "Newcomers corner".

* Optionally, also put a label on other tables, so people can self-sort 
into things they're interested in doing. Perhaps this list: "Django", 
"Non-Django web", "GIS", "Civic Hacking"

* When the event begins, stand up at the front and say: "Welcome to 
Project Night! I'm {{ NAME }}. Thanks for coming. The goal of the event is 
that people meet each other and/or work on projects related to Python that 
are interesting to them. The event is welcoming to newcomers, and so we've 
put some resources on the web and we have some people specially interested 
in helping newcomers. Can 5they stand up? Great, now all those people 
should be at the table labeled, 'Newcomers corner.' Same with the 
newcomers, if you want to be in a place where people want to help you. 
Thanks to our sponsors, {{ SPONSORNAMEHERE }}, and thanks to {{ HOSTNAME 
}} for providing space. Now, go forth and work on projects, or chat!"

* Be available for random questions about the event during the event.

* Optional: Take photos so that afterward, you can remember how 
amazingly great the event was.

* Optional: Roam around the room and ask people what they're working on, 
and if they're willing to give a ChiPy lightning talk about it. That's 
especially useful for people for whom this is their first ChiPy event.

-- Asheesh.

From kbuckvold at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 31 05:28:53 2013
From: kbuckvold at hotmail.com (Kari Buckvold)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:28:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PS, I like the idea of a Project Night
Message-ID: <BLU404-EAS34753BFAD9339CE5B7B7F16AA360@phx.gbl>

I get the daily digests and didn't see the thread about project night until now.  As a beginner, I think I would get a lot out of being surrounded by you experts!

From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 31 14:15:29 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for an arcpy mentor/study buddy
In-Reply-To: <BLU405-EAS257FEA0F98A614BB7DFECC2AA350@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU405-EAS257FEA0F98A614BB7DFECC2AA350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=iiSMxna-PJPBbwW8Ge=54D2EV-+Wzw=5POQDgiZG=9KmA@mail.gmail.com>

I hope you find some GIS folks using Python.

I think this was posted here earlier but I may have just gotten a notice on
YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u1gk4fnJM4&feature=em-subs_digest


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Kari Buckvold <kbuckvold at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Hello, I am a GIS professional with about 5 years of experience who has
> been studying Python as it relates to ESRI's ArcGIS.  I have been studying
> the text "Python Scripting for ArcGIS" by Paul Zandbergen for the last two
> months and have learned tons, I have even created a couple of scripts on my
> own. But let's face it, it's hard to learn this on my own and every once in
> awhile, I'd like to hit the "Easy Button" for the solutions instead of
> hitting my head up against the wall over and over.  I'm hoping that there
> are some Python users here in Chicago that are familiar with arcpy who can
> share their expertise with me or who are also learning it so we can help
> each other.
>
> I've been to one ChiPy meetup and plan to be at BrainTree on September
> 12th, I hope to meet some other GISers!
>
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Sat Aug 31 20:42:33 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:42:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ipython + pythontutor
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rZcdYCD=xAA8ayFJDPmAgZOzbecteCnp1UEHzM3R_P3Ng@mail.gmail.com>

Guido tweeted this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3oarDuZPL0

It shows an ipython console working with a PythonTutor instance. so cool!

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From don at drakeconsulting.com  Sat Aug 31 17:26:40 2013
From: don at drakeconsulting.com (Don Drake)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 10:26:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for an arcpy mentor/study buddy
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Interesting video, though I am really surprised she was using MySQL instead of PostgreSQL with PostGIS which is probably the best database solution for GIS projects as it has a lot of the shapely functionality provided in the database.

-Don

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On Aug 31, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I hope you find some GIS folks using Python.
> 
> I think this was posted here earlier but I may have just gotten a notice on YouTube.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u1gk4fnJM4&feature=em-subs_digest
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Kari Buckvold <kbuckvold at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, I am a GIS professional with about 5 years of experience who has been studying Python as it relates to ESRI's ArcGIS.  I have been studying the text "Python Scripting for ArcGIS" by Paul Zandbergen for the last two months and have learned tons, I have even created a couple of scripts on my own. But let's face it, it's hard to learn this on my own and every once in awhile, I'd like to hit the "Easy Button" for the solutions instead of hitting my head up against the wall over and over.  I'm hoping that there are some Python users here in Chicago that are familiar with arcpy who can share their expertise with me or who are also learning it so we can help each other.
> 
> I've been to one ChiPy meetup and plan to be at BrainTree on September 12th, I hope to meet some other GISers!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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