[Chicago] Chipy Thursday Meetup

Wed Feb 12 03:34:06 CET 2014

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>wrote:

> No for real, what if you wrote python instead of legalese with your finite
> time.
>
> What is the direst, apocalyptic, worst case scenario if Chipy doesn't have
> a code of conduct?
>

Japhy - this is -0- zilch / nada time consumer.

It's a simple decision about who we chose to be.

Period.

>
> It's a meme because a statistically significant number of people think
> this is funny.
>

All models are always wrong.   (Sometimes they are useful.)

The naiveté (or arrogance) of ignorance may find this funny.

That is not a useful model, for me.

I don't care to have that guide nor direct how we choose to be.

I don't care.

Let them laugh.
They probably laugh
at other things I don't find funny, too.
That's their prerogative.

That's not guidance for me.

I'm for:  Welcoming, open, friendly, accepting, helpful, of service.

I'm Not for: confrontative, argumentative, laughing-at-expense-of-others,
missing-cool-design-subtelties, etc.

> I'm saying, honestly, in my opinion, the general metric for success of a
> recurring event is attendance, and a group legalese discussion is not going
> to bring the boys to the yard.
>

At PyCon, we invite women, and children, and students, and LGBT friends,
... people from the world over...

I want to be kind, respectful, inviting, helpful to all there,
and have them come home and not expect less.

My kids.
My friends.

The smirking?
They have their dorms for that.
Or their own living rooms.
Or other pubs.

I may even laugh at some stuff with them.

But not this.

> I have a dream, that one day, this list is about python again.
>

I have a dream - that one day, this list will be about python _community_
 (I'm not sure "again" is needed here - this still is).

Cheers,
Yarko

>
> Cheers,
>
> Japhy
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So, not to be a dick. but that meme sucks man.  governance, positions and
>> elections may be boring, but they're also a necessity in the real world.
>>  I'm not for electing anyone to anything at the moment, its not really
>> necessary, but just shitting on the conversation from the list recently
>> doesn't really help.  As to talks not being interesting or well prepared,
>> well....its an organic user group, and that means less polish and what
>> might not be interesting to you (or whoever happens to be complaining to
>> you) could very well be incredibly interesting to someone else.
>>
>> I've spent a good deal of time visiting other user groups around the city
>> (ruby, postgres, js, etc) and this one is .....unique.  The average level
>> of knowledge (computation/maths/tech in general) is simply higher, the
>> people are friendly, there's a much higher concentration of academics (cool
>> to me) and professional scientists (also very cool to me).  I'm a nobody in
>> the python world, literally. I've been to a few pycons, etc, but there are *multiple
>> *dedicated python core devs in chicago, and sometimes they even come to
>> meetings and its nice to be able to meet them in person and chat.   If we
>> need to do some seemingly tedious work
>> (volunteering/bylaws/fill-in-necessary-organizational-task) *at the
>> meeting* where its transparent and we can avoid the sort of dust-ups
>> that come as a result of email exchanges on a list then lets do that.  Its
>> worth it.
>>
>> +1 for group discussion on governance.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>wrote:
>>
>> -1 to elections, positions, governance, everything on this list lately:
>>
>>
>> http://www.quickmeme.com/img/68/6890238a19f066b77cd019a1540447ce13036ca427bf1384555bfc847c51596a.jpg
>>
>> Biggest criticism I consistently hear about Chipy: the talks are not very
>> interesting and not very well prepared.  Maybe you could spend 30 minutes
>> coming up with talk ideas, since the group seems to be short again this
>> month.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:11 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>>
>> Elections? What would we be electing? What platforms are people running
>> on?
>>
>> I digress.
>>
>> -1 for elections.
>> +1 for a discussion about our group's governance.
>>
>> JP
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:03 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here are my discussion votes:
>>
>>
>> Pete running discussion about group governance, +1 (it's a good idea and
>> I added it to the agenda on chipy.org).
>>
>> Elections Thursday, -1.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Peter requested we talk about getting organized and I'm supportive of the
>> idea.
>>
>> So let's hold elections Thursday.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I'm in Texas right now and might get stuck here so someone
>> else (Peter?) will have to run these if I don't make it.
>>
>> Cheers, Brian
>>
>> Ps wouldn't worry to much about the state of Illinois listing. It's
>> already taken care of and has nothing to do with the bank account.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>>
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