[Chicago] Status of recruiters on this list

Jason Wirth wirth.jason at gmail.com
Wed Mar 5 00:06:37 CET 2014


+1 to JP for including a link to the minutes. I remember something posted
about it but thought there might be an email called "Chipy Meeting Minutes"
send out after the meeting.


On Wednesday, March 5, 2014, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:

> Actually, after stewing on it for a bit, I rewrote it to avoid the
> attacking:
>
> Pete -
>
> According to the minutes (which aren't available directly from the
> website, you either have to dig around or find a previous email can be
> found here: http://www.chipy.org/pages/chipy/board/), board members are:
>
> 1) Brian R
> 2) Adam B
> 3) Adam F
> 4) Randy B
> 5) Amber D
> 6) Jerry D
>
> That said, as you pointed out, Chipy is not a PSF resource. This email
> list (chicago at python.org) is.
>
> ChiPy is a privately owned club.
>
> The chicago at python.org is FOR EVERYONE, not just ChiPy, and that said,
> I'd really like to see more people administering that email list.
>
> Honestly, over the last few weeks we have seen nasty emails chide members
> of our great community. This is not only distasteful, it does not improve
> our community. And though some rodents might have contributed to the groups
> drinking and eating, whether or not a recruiter wants to line those folks'
> pockets should not mean a recruiter should not have access to our
> community. Work pays the bills. Transparency keeps us honest.
>
> The community as a whole deserves unimpeded and unfettered access to
> information.
>
> Clearly chicago at python.org is a public list for anyone who wants to be
> involved in the python community in and around Chicago (or frankly anywhere
> in the world). That's the beauty of the internet, everyone everywhere
> should get to participate. If there are now controls in place to block the
> group from seeing what 1-2 people think are spam, then the problem is that
> private interests are trumping the group.
>
> Unfortunately, reading the minutes from the club's board meetings thus
> far, it is truly enervating that a private board thinks it gets to decide
> information is disseminated to the community. The email does not belong to
> a club, it belongs to our community.
>
> If you don't care, then you aren't paying attention.
>
> It has been hard over the last few weeks to watch the email list get
> spammed with demands that anyone wishing to participate play by dictated
> rules, or be labelled a coward. After spending a fair amount of time to
> understand this behavior, I came to a peaceful conclusion that this isn't
> personal.
>
> I love the Python community, have learned a lot from different resources,
> and enjoy meeting people who are serious about learning and sharing.
> Thankfully I understand a lot more about ChiPy, how it's perceived, and am
> ok with that.
>
> Instead of being upset, I wish remain a part of chicago at python.org, and
> that means participating in a community where there are workshops, office
> hours, learning opportunities, and even *gasp* job opportunities.
>
> If the club owners wish to maintain control of their fiefdom, that's
> perfectly fine. It's under ownership, so why shouldn't they?
>
> chicago at python.org is part of the community, and nobody has more right
> than Pete, or myself, or [insert name here], to see what's coming to the
> community. For that, we need ultimate transparency. If it isn't obvious to
> someone who sits on the board of PSF, then there is a serious problem.
>
> Regardless of how quickly the ChiPy club wishes to address this, if other
> people are interested in participating as mods of chicago at python.org,
> please request Cezar to add you to the list directly. This is your group
> too.
>
> That said, Cezar, as a person who is committed to our community, learning,
> and participating in all things Python (when applicable) I am publicly
> requesting to be made an admin of the chicago at python.org mailing list.
>
> Regards,
>
> JP
>
> python >>> import this
>
> "Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules."
> *If you aren't participating because you don't want to be bullied, then
> you are paying attention!
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Peter Fein <pete at wearpants.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > There is a current action item to review this process (moderation of
>> mailing
>> > list) by the ChiPy board. As it stands until then:
>>
>> I'm still waiting to know who the mysterious members of this board are
>> that are making these decisions on the community's behalf about how a
>> PSF resource is used.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> JP Bader
> Principal
> Zavteq, Inc.
> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
> 608.692.2468
>


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