[Chicago] Question about Machine Language.

[Lewit, Douglas]

Hi Randy,

I'm afraid to ask, but is that the "Hello World!" program in machine code?

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the correction Naomi, but that didn't really answer my
>> question.  Why don't we all just study machine language and that's it?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7 December 2015 at 13:57, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I was reading an article on the web about how all programming languages
>>>> are "Turing complete".  I believe that basically means that all programming
>>>> languages are able to communicate with the computer's CPU using the binary
>>>> codes of machine language.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Uh, that's not actually what "Turing Complete" means...  It doesn't
>>>  have anything to do with binary or machine language... from Wikipedia (
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness):
>>>
>>> "To show that something is Turing complete, it is enough to show that
>>> it can be used to simulate some Turing complete system. For example, an imperative
>>> language <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperative_language> is Turing
>>> complete if it has conditional branching
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_branching> (*e.g.*, "if" and
>>> "goto" statements, or a "branch if zero" instruction. See OISC
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_instruction_set_computer>) and the
>>> ability to change an arbitrary amount ofmemory
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_memory> locations (*e.g.*, the
>>> ability to maintain an arbitrary number of variables). Since this is almost
>>> always the case, most (if not all) imperative languages are Turing complete
>>> if the limitations of finite memory are ignored."
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Naomi
>>>
>>> Okay then.... so why don't we get rid of C, C++, Java, Python, Ruby,
>>>> Perl, Ocaml, Haskell, C#, F#, etc, etc and why don't we call just code in
>>>> machine language?  Bear in mind that I'm asking this question from the
>>>> point of view of the Devil's Advocate because I know almost nothing about
>>>> machine language.  But it's an interesting question.  It's related to the
>>>> question, "Why don't we have one universal natural language?  Let's get rid
>>>> of English, French, Spanish, German, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Arabic,
>>>> Hebrew, etc, etc, and replace them all with one universal language that
>>>> everyone understands".
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in reading your thoughts and ideas.  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Douglas.
>>>>
>>>> P.S.  Sorry to hear about the Django Study Group.  I thought Mark
>>>> Graves was very friendly and did a great job of demonstrating various web
>>>> applications using Python.
>>>>
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