From pycon-organizers@python.org Sun Jun 1 17:58:53 2003 From: pycon-organizers@python.org (Aahz) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:58:53 -0400 Subject: [Conferences-discuss] PyCon 2004 Message-ID: <20030601165852.GA29338@panix.com> [I'm setting Reply-To: pycon-organizers, but I'm cc'ing conferences-discuss in case anyone's there but not on the pycon list] Now that we've had two months to rest and relax, I think it's about time we started moving on next year's PyCon, particularly if we don't want to rely on YAS for processing registration. If nobody responds to this message, I'll assume nobody agrees with me. ;-) -- Aahz (aahz@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "In many ways, it's a dull language, borrowing solid old concepts from many other languages & styles: boring syntax, unsurprising semantics, few automatic coercions, etc etc. But that's one of the things I like about it." --Tim Peters on Python, 16 Sep 93 From guido@python.org Mon Jun 2 01:52:25 2003 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:52:25 -0400 Subject: [Conferences-discuss] Re: [Pycon-organizers] PyCon 2004 In-Reply-To: "Your message of Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:58:53 EDT." <20030601165852.GA29338@panix.com> References: <20030601165852.GA29338@panix.com> Message-ID: <200306020052.h520qPm32313@pcp02138704pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> > Now that we've had two months to rest and relax, I think it's about > time we started moving on next year's PyCon, particularly if we > don't want to rely on YAS for processing registration. If nobody > responds to this message, I'll assume nobody agrees with me. ;-) Right. I'm all for a repeat of the best things of PyCon 2003: the venue, the organizing team led by Steve Holden, the time of year. I really hope that we can do online registration without help this time! Now's the time to reserve the prime spot at GWU. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From ziggy@panix.com Mon Jun 2 03:24:46 2003 From: ziggy@panix.com (Adam Turoff) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:24:46 -0400 Subject: [Conferences-discuss] Re: [Pycon-organizers] PyCon 2004 In-Reply-To: <200306020052.h520qPm32313@pcp02138704pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> References: <20030601165852.GA29338@panix.com> <200306020052.h520qPm32313@pcp02138704pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20030602022446.GA4266@panix.com> On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 08:52:25PM -0400, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > Now that we've had two months to rest and relax, I think it's about > > time we started moving on next year's PyCon, particularly if we > > don't want to rely on YAS for processing registration. If nobody > > responds to this message, I'll assume nobody agrees with me. ;-) > > Right. I'm all for a repeat of the best things of PyCon 2003: the > venue, the organizing team led by Steve Holden, the time of year. I > really hope that we can do online registration without help this time! > Now's the time to reserve the prime spot at GWU. I remember talking to Meghan in September, and there was a reasonable selection of dates to choose from. The key issues were (1) choosing a good time for PyCon and (2) working around GWU's blackout dates. (e.g., most of June is blacked out for orientation or something.) Z. From altis@semi-retired.com Mon Jun 2 20:15:09 2003 From: altis@semi-retired.com (Kevin Altis) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:15:09 -0700 Subject: [Conferences-discuss] Re: [Pycon-organizers] PyCon 2004 In-Reply-To: <200306020052.h520qPm32313@pcp02138704pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: > From: Guido van Rossum > > > Now that we've had two months to rest and relax, I think it's about > > time we started moving on next year's PyCon, particularly if we > > don't want to rely on YAS for processing registration. If nobody > > responds to this message, I'll assume nobody agrees with me. ;-) > > Right. I'm all for a repeat of the best things of PyCon 2003: the > venue, the organizing team led by Steve Holden, the time of year. I > really hope that we can do online registration without help this time! > Now's the time to reserve the prime spot at GWU. > > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) Do we need to cross-post to conferences-discuss and pycon-organizers? I guess I can join pycon-organizers if you just want to have discussions over there. I think that it is reasonable to assume we will have as many or more people at PyCon 2004 as attended last March; it is hard to imagine the USA timing another invasion to coincide with the conference and the economy being in as bad shape as it was two months ago. With that in mind, do we need one or two more rooms for presentations? I definitely want to have the large room with tables and chairs available for Open Spaces each day since that was one of the great things at PyCon 2003. That room looked like it could accomodate 300-350 easily. If not, space for a slightly larger crowd than we had last March should be considered. Also, if anyone knows if/when Europython 2004 will be held that would be good to know for planning. I don't know when O'Reilly will commit to a venue and time for OSCON 2004, but I'll go ahead and ask Gina. ka From pycon-organizers@python.org Mon Jun 2 20:47:12 2003 From: pycon-organizers@python.org (Aahz) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:47:12 -0400 Subject: [Conferences-discuss] Re: [Pycon-organizers] PyCon 2004 In-Reply-To: References: <200306020052.h520qPm32313@pcp02138704pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20030602194711.GA5192@panix.com> On Mon, Jun 02, 2003, Kevin Altis wrote: > > Do we need to cross-post to conferences-discuss and pycon-organizers? I > guess I can join pycon-organizers if you just want to have discussions > over there. I'd suggest that conferences-discuss be used only for conference discussion not specific to any particular conference (or for conferences that do not have their own mailing list). So yes, please join pycon-organizers. (I only cross-posted the initial message to pick up people like you. As before, I'm setting Reply-To: so that anyone hitting reply instead of reply-all will go to pycon-organizers.) -- Aahz (aahz@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not start writing it." --Dijkstra From altis@semi-retired.com Mon Jun 2 23:34:47 2003 From: altis@semi-retired.com (Kevin Altis) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:34:47 -0700 Subject: [Conferences-discuss] how many people attended Europython and PyCon? Message-ID: What was the attendance like last year and how many people have pre-registered this year? Also, did we ever get a total for attendees at PyCon? ka From aahz@pythoncraft.com Mon Jun 2 23:57:48 2003 From: aahz@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:57:48 -0400 Subject: [Conferences-discuss] how many people attended Europython and PyCon? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030602225748.GA18590@panix.com> On Mon, Jun 02, 2003, Kevin Altis wrote: > > Also, did we ever get a total for attendees at PyCon? Do you mean actual warm body count or total registered or what? -- Aahz (aahz@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not start writing it." --Dijkstra From guido@python.org Tue Jun 3 01:57:12 2003 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:57:12 -0400 Subject: [Conferences-discuss] how many people attended Europython and PyCon? In-Reply-To: "Your message of Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:34:47 PDT." References: Message-ID: <200306030057.h530vC011425@pcp02138704pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> > What was the attendance like last year and how many people have > pre-registered this year? For PyCon, I have a detailed graph of pre-registration (see below). > Also, did we ever get a total for attendees at PyCon? You never know exactly (people don't show up and don't cancel) but we had about 235 paid registrations (maybe minus one or two cancellations or duplicates). Each * is 4 registrations. 02-06 5 5 * 02-07 5 10 ** 02-08 2 12 *** 02-09 0 12 *** 02-10 3 15 *** 02-11 9 24 ****** 02-12 6 30 ******* 02-13 2 32 ******** 02-14 11 43 ********** 02-15 4 47 *********** 02-16 3 50 ************ 02-17 1 51 ************ 02-18 1 52 ************* 02-19 7 59 ************** 02-20 3 62 *************** 02-21 0 62 *************** 02-22 1 63 *************** 02-23 2 65 **************** 02-24 12 77 ******************* 02-25 18 95 *********************** 02-26 27 122 ****************************** 02-27 20 142 *********************************** 02-28 35 177 ******************************************** 03-01 9 186 ********************************************** 03-02 0 186 ********************************************** 03-03 0 186 ********************************************** 03-04 1 187 ********************************************** 03-05 2 189 *********************************************** 03-06 0 189 *********************************************** 03-07 2 191 *********************************************** 03-08 1 192 ************************************************ 03-09 0 192 ************************************************ 03-10 0 192 ************************************************ 03-11 3 195 ************************************************ 03-12 2 197 ************************************************* 03-13 1 198 ************************************************* 03-14 2 200 ************************************************** 03-15 0 200 ************************************************** 03-16 0 200 ************************************************** 03-17 3 203 ************************************************** 03-18 1 204 *************************************************** 03-19 3 207 *************************************************** 03-20 11 218 ****************************************************** 03-21 15 233 ********************************************************** 03-22 3 236 *********************************************************** 03-23 0 236 *********************************************************** 03-24 0 236 *********************************************************** 03-25 0 236 *********************************************************** 03-26 2 238 *********************************************************** Total: 238; unpaid: 3 02-28 was the early bird deadline; 03-21 was the on-line reg deadline (some registrations on the next day due to timezone issues or delayed closing of the registration). --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From sholden@mail.holdenweb.com Tue Jun 3 13:33:19 2003 From: sholden@mail.holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:33:19 -0400 Subject: [Conferences-discuss] Re: [Pycon-organizers] PyCon 2004 Message-ID: <200306030833.AA448463028@mail.holdenweb.com> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Guido van Rossum Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:52:25 -0400 >> Now that we've had two months to rest and relax, I think it's about >> time we started moving on next year's PyCon, particularly if we >> don't want to rely on YAS for processing registration. If nobody >> responds to this message, I'll assume nobody agrees with me. ;-) > >Right. I'm all for a repeat of the best things of PyCon 2003: the >venue, the organizing team led by Steve Holden, the time of year. I >really hope that we can do online registration without help this time! >Now's the time to reserve the prime spot at GWU. > I agree we should be thinking about dates for the next event, and I have (as I've already indicated to Guido) no objection in principle to being involved, though I might want to discuss a few details when I get back to the USA in a couple of weeks. Until then don't expect me to be active in discussions, as I am attached to the Internet by a piece of wet string and currently reduced to reading mail vie Internet Exploder using a borrowed AOL account! The most important things we can do: scour all relevant calendars for conflicting dates, and decide on teh scale of the next conference. This year we hit a software developer conference, though I don't remeber the details and suspect that it didn't cost us a lot, but we do need to be aware of other events which might leech attendance away from PyCon. After we think again about numbers we should ensure that we have a relevant plan that addresses how we could handle larger numbers at the same venue (unless we want to limit attendance). It would also be good to be better prepared in budgetary terms. I gues we might look to our new treasurer in that respect? I will certainly help with the financial planning, and one of the things I would like to see is a spreadsheet that can predict the likely outcome given any particular attendance level. Shouldn't be too difficult, though I'd be happier if I'd seen a more detailed summary of this year's figures. Experience is the best teacher, however, and I think we learned a lot about what to avoid in our first year. Despite the obvious ragged edges it seems that most delegates enjoyed the conference. I'm hoping that the Yorktown High students will have a CGI-based questioannaire ready, but I'm not close enough to crack the whip on that activity just yet. Soon, though ;-) looking-forward-to-next-year-ly y'rs - steve From mwh@python.net Tue Jun 3 13:31:40 2003 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: 03 Jun 2003 13:31:40 +0100 Subject: [Conferences-discuss] Re: [Pycon-organizers] PyCon 2004 References: <200306020052.h520qPm32313@pcp02138704pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7h3smqrtk9f.fsf@pc150.maths.bris.ac.uk> "Kevin Altis" writes: > Also, if anyone knows if/when Europython 2004 will be held that would be > good to know for planning. I don't know when O'Reilly will commit to a venue > and time for OSCON 2004, but I'll go ahead and ask Gina. There is talk of Gothenbourg, but I don't suppose anything will be remotely certain until after this year's version. 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References: Message-ID: <200306060829.h568Tjbn010529@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> In a message of Mon, 02 Jun 2003 12:15:09 PDT, "Kevin Altis" writes: >> From: Guido van Rossum >> >> > Now that we've had two months to rest and relax, I think it's about >> > time we started moving on next year's PyCon, particularly if we >> > don't want to rely on YAS for processing registration. If nobody >> > responds to this message, I'll assume nobody agrees with me. ;-) >> >> Right. I'm all for a repeat of the best things of PyCon 2003: the >> venue, the organizing team led by Steve Holden, the time of year. I >> really hope that we can do online registration without help this time! >> Now's the time to reserve the prime spot at GWU. >> >> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > >Do we need to cross-post to conferences-discuss and pycon-organizers? I >guess I can join pycon-organizers if you just want to have discussions ov >er >there. > >I think that it is reasonable to assume we will have as many or more peop >le >at PyCon 2004 as attended last March; it is hard to imagine the USA timin >g >another invasion to coincide with the conference and the economy being in > as >bad shape as it was two months ago. With that in mind, do we need one or >two >more rooms for presentations? I definitely want to have the large room wi >th >tables and chairs available for Open Spaces each day since that was one o >f >the great things at PyCon 2003. That room looked like it could accomodate >300-350 easily. If not, space for a slightly larger crowd than we had las >t >March should be considered. I agree about the desirability of having Open Spaces every day, but I disagree about the desirability of having 300+ people in one room, all trying to talk about something. Nobody will be able to hear anything. Given that we expect to have more people, we need to know whether what we intend to do is to have a) about the same number, (i.e. 3 concurrent) Open Space talks, but with the expectation that there will be more people attending each talk, or b) more talks with the expectation that each will have about the same number of attendees (somewhere between that which can fit comfortably around a table, and twice that was typical) though some had more. Expect that more people will bring slides than last year. Then we need more space to suit. I think that many more small rooms would be best, but I do not know if such things are offerred. > >Also, if anyone knows if/when Europython 2004 will be held that would be >good to know for planning. I don't know when O'Reilly will commit to a ve >nue >and time for OSCON 2004, but I'll go ahead and ask Gina. We don't know yet about EuroPython, because we plan to decide things such as 'where' at Europython 2003 (at the end of the month). 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