[Cython] Cython infrastructure

[Robert Bradshaw]

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Dima Pasechnik
<dimpase+github at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Baptiste Carvello
> <devel at baptiste-carvello.net> wrote:
>> Le 20/07/2016 19:23, Robert Bradshaw a écrit :
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> I'm a big advocate of privacy, and informed consent when choosing to
>>> give any of it away (e.g. allowing linking of activities to build a
>>> (pseudonymous or not) reputation).
>>
>> (philosophical side note: "consent" is not free of coercion, and thus
>> rather irrelevant, when Github is taking over 90% of Open Source projects.)
>>
>>> [...] Personally, I'm actually quite
>>> happy to have my activities on github correlated with my identity.
>>> (Actually, it's a net plus, not a concession.)
>>
>> I understand your point, but I'd like to make a different choice.
>>
>>> Of course you can always set up any number of unrelated pseudonyms on
>>> github, delete cookies, use incognito mode, and even do everything via
>>> tor if you really want.
>>
>> No, I can't (unless I want to play cat and mouse with them, which is no
>> fun). And that is the whole of the problem, as I say in my other message.
>
> Actually, it's not clear why this is a problem. If you do not want to
> play cat and
> mouse (which means removing cookies often, etc), you would create an
> identity that
> only you know, and let this avatar do all the talking and working on github.
> There are plenty of github users out there like this, nobody sees who
> they really are.
> (github knows a working email address for them, that's basically all).
>
>>
>>> However, while "Subscribe to Github" is a perfectly reasonable answer,
>>> and one that would in practice include more people than it would
>>> exclude (compared to our current system, or many alternatives), it's
>>> not like we're going to suddenly refuse all discussions of bugs on the
>>> mailing lists. We're low enough volume to be flexible. A real bug
>>> tracker is simply more useful for tracking issues than an inbox.
>>
>> As long as the mailing list stays, any concrete difficulty can be solved
>> when it arises through a constructive discussion, so nothing is lost!
>>
>> I trust that Cython won't ever do like some other projects, which have
>> suppressed any kind of non-Github contact channel. That would be the
>> real pain.
>
> IMHO this is just spreading FUD.
> Many, many projects with presence on github have, say, google groups
> or/and non-github based bug/issue trackers as primary means of
> communication. Noone ever heard of github undermining these projects
> in any way.

I think he's concerned about projects that decide (deliberately or
not) to discontinue (or ignore) their mailing lists, only
communicating via github (or some other closed system). Or if one had
dozens of bug reports coming in a week, I could understand asking
users to always file reports in the tracker themselves, and keep
discussion there (where it's more easily filtered and keeps the main
dev list a reasonable volume). Yes, this would require a github
account, which is too much for some people.

We're keeping our mailing list(s). We require at least email address
and an online presence (no snail mail) to submit and discuss bugs.
That is too much for some people too.

It sounds like there's no objections to moving the site, everyone can
live with moving the bug tracker, and we're still up in the air on
what to do with the build farm. I'll get on the first two.

- Robert