[DB-SIG] API Enhancements
Sun, 28 Feb 1999 04:49:58 -0800
M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> It's been a long time since we've last had some discussion
> about a novelation of the API. As you probably remember I have
> a proposed spec available at:
Is it possible to get this document (or a version of it) red-lined so
that we can see the differences from the 1.0 document? I can generally
see the differences, but it would be better to clarify it.
[ I'd be willing to construct the red-lined version if you'd like
> 1. Threading
> The API spec should make some notes about the scope of thread
> safety imposed on the interfaces. Thread safety could be given
> at module level (threads all use the same module, but maintain
> their own connections), connection level (threads share modules
> and connections, cursors are not shared between threads) and
> cursor level (threads share module, connections and cursors).
> The last level is probably not feasable, but I think connection
> level could be reached.
A discussion in the API would be good. I might even say that a module
could export an attribute that states which level is supported. For
example, I know that many Win32 ODBC drivers are NOT thread-safe at all.
You must open a connection per thread.
> 2. Stored procedures
> Basically I want to revisit the discussion. The 1.1 proposal
> defines this interface:
Should be a sequence of params, and probably should be optional.
> This method is optional since not all databases
> provide stored procedures.
> Call a stored database procedure with the given
> name. The list of parameters must contain one
> entry for each argument that the procedure
> expects. The result of the call is returned by
> modifying the list contents in place. Input
> parameters are left untouched, output and
> input/output parameters replaced with the new
This should be clarified that a copy of the params is made, then
modified. The wording sounds like the method mucks with the argument
value (which it may not be able to do if the argument is a tuple or
> The procedure may also provide a result set as
> output. This must then be made available through
> the standard fetch-methods.
> Is this general enough to fit everybody's needs ? I know that
Nobody has said "no" yet, so why don't we just say it is and be done
with it. It is certainly a step better than the 1.0 spec.
> Jim Fulton would rather like an interface which returns a callable
> type... but it seems overkill to ask module writers to implement
> this just to be DB API conform.
The hope is that the modules are easy to code, and then Python stuff is
layered on top if more functionality is needed. It is "The Python Way"
> 3. A standard catalog interface
> There is often a need to connect to a database without knowing
> in advance what tables it contains and how the table columns
> are named.
> The API should define a catalog method for this purpose,
I'd say "no" and leave that to a Python-level module. In many databases,
you can get this information from special tables. Custom APIs are not
required. For those databases that require a custom API, then I'd say
the module should expose those functions as a module-specific extension.
Creating a "unified" API can then be done at the Python level. Few
programs, however, require that unified API, so it seems burdensome to
impose a unified API upon the module writers.
> 4. Optional named cursors
> The cursor constructor should be allowed to have an optional
> argument for the cursor name. This is useful for UPDATEs.
I do not understand the use or operation of this, and how it would
benefit an UPDATE. Could you elaborate?
What should the process be for moving to a new rev of the API? Marc has
been championing his changes for well over a year now, but closure
hasn't been reached.
I would recommend a "Last Call" type of approach. Set the date as (say)
March 12, receive comments until then, fold in the comments, then issue
a "Final Call" for the updated version for March 26.
The DBAPI 1.1 would be posted by Monday the 29th.
META-META :-) ... is this approach acceptable? If not, then speak up. If
nobody has an issue with the approach, then let's assume that we've
begun the Last Call phase.
Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/