[Distutils] Make ez_setup.py/easy_install $PATH aware
p.f.moore at gmail.com
Sun Sep 17 15:38:00 CEST 2006
On 9/17/06, John J Lee <jjl at pobox.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
> > Windows is probably the main offender, here, however, and I'm not sure
> > there's really a good solution there. I don't think there's a standard
> > $PATH directory that really makes sense for all circumstances, to name just
> > one issue. So, suggestions on what should happen there would be helpful.
> Perhaps easy_install on Windows should:
> 2. So that easy_install itself can be run without too much user effort,
> a. Always install easy_install.exe to C:\Python2?\Scripts, but warn if
> it's not on the path. -1 from me, it doesn't seem the "Windows way"
> to have to have PATH set correctly in order for things to work.
+1 from me to install C:\Pythonxx\Scripts. -1 on the warning. That's
the Python standard for where to install scripts/executables (whether
they be .py files or .bat files in the normal case - .exe wrappers fit
the same model). It's also what easy_install does right now, as far as
I can tell.
The "Windows way" is basically to not use the command line at all, so
there's no established best practice here. Trying to convince yourself
there is one will just result in grief (for you, or your users).
Don't get me wrong - I am a Windows user myself, and I use the command
line a lot. But I don't see any common approach, and I'm used to
tweaking my command line environment to work how I want it to. You
*can't* make things work "automatically" for me - and I won't thank
you for trying. The best you can do is act like a normal Python
package - install to C:\Pythonxx\Scripts and leave me to worry about
getting it on PATH. I don't think I'm unusual in this (in the context
of the limited set of Windows command line users).
> b. Create C:\Program Files\PJE\EasyInstall and
> C:\Program Files\PJE\EasyInstall\Scripts and install easy_install.exe
> in the latter. Add the appropriate registry key to put the latter
> "on the path":
No, no, no. -1000. That works for GUI apps, where the directory
doesn't need to be on PATH, and where there are lots of supporting
files along with the EXE. But I really don't want to have a directory
on PATH just for one or two executables.
> Of course, it would be even more Windowsy if somebody then wrote a little
> GUI that allowed you to search PyPI, select projects and click a button to
> install them. :-)
That *is* more "Windowsy".
> But the other stuff seems much more useful than point &
> click stuff: it would "just work" for the Windows easy_install target
> audience -- who surely know how to use the DOS command line, but who like
> most of us, are easily put off by complicated installation dances
> involving setting PATH etc.
Not sure how true that is. It certainly isn't for me. My idea of "just
works" is bdist_wininst. Double click on it, hit "Next" a few times,
and you're done. The key benefit of easy_install over this is that it
does dependency handling. But it does so at the cost of needing to use
the command line. I'm *still* not convinced that the trade-off is
right for me (particularly now that PJE has got setuptools recognising
"normal" single-version-externally-managed installs).
Arguably, if you have Python installed, you're already using
C:\PythonXX\Scripts, so it's either on your PATH or you've made other
arrangements. So there's no "installation dance" needed.
Please note- it was a deliberate decision to have the Python installer
*not* to add C:\PythonXX\Scripts to the PATH. You'll need to search
the python-dev archives to get the arguments, but they roughly boiled
down to a view that the installer should *not* mess with the user's
BTW, if you really want to make easy_install.exe available on the
command line without needing a PATH entry, you can do what python.exe
does: create a registry key
with a single default value of the full pathname for the executable.
Then you don't need to muck with the user's PATH at all. For more
details, search for "App Paths" in the platform SDK - it gives the
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