[Distutils] What does it mean for Python to "bundle pip"?

Paul Moore p.f.moore at gmail.com
Tue Aug 20 17:21:27 CEST 2013

On 20 August 2013 16:09, Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin at gmail.com> wrote:

> BTW is there any reason for numpy et al not to start distributing
> wheels now? Is any part of the wheel
> specification/tooling/infrastructure not complete yet?

Not really. It's up to them to do so, though. Maybe their toolset makes
that more difficult, I don't believe they use setuptools, for example -
that's their problem, but it may not be one they are interested in solving

The biggest issues outstanding are:

1. Script handling, which is a bit flaky still (but I don't think that
affects numpy)
2. Tags (not in general, but AIUI numpy distribute a fancy installer that
decides what compiled code to use depending on whether you have certain CPU
features - they may want to retain that, and to do so may prefer to have
more fine-grained tags, which in turn may or may not be possible to
support). I don't think that's a critical issue though.

Getting numpy et al on board would be a huge win - if wheels can satisfy
their needs, we could be pretty sure we haven't missed anything. And it
gets a big group of users involved, giving us a lot more real world use
cases. Feel like sounding the numpy community out on the idea?

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