[Distutils] Are there any plans to move to pip/wheels in buildout?

Randy Syring randy at thesyrings.us
Wed Dec 3 15:54:09 CET 2014

On 12/03/2014 09:47 AM, Jim Fulton wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Randy Syring <randy at thesyrings.us> wrote:
>> On 12/03/2014 09:01 AM, Jim Fulton wrote:
>>    Many users, like myself, download source releases exclusively, and
>>    to us, wheels are irrelevent.  However, users on Windows or who use
>>    systems without build tools for some reason, will experience
>>    breakage as soon as people stop creating traditional binary releases
>>    in favor of wheels.
>> Does that have to be the case?
> Yes, users of buildout on systems without build tools will experience
> breakage if packagers stop distributing any of the older binary
> formats.
> This will remain true until either setuptools grows wheel support, or
> until buildout uses something else (other than setuptools).

Ic.  I didn't catch that you were talking specifically about buildout 
support, but it makes sense now.

>> As one of the maintainers of pymssql, we are
>> in the process of figuring out what type of packages we want to ship as
>> maintainers.  Wheel's can be binary releases and, in fact, is what we are
>> going to build for Windows support going forward.  That may certainly
>> frustrate some automated processes that expect the old package types we used
>> to ship, but we absolutely want to support binary releases with wheels
>> specifically to support users that don't have build tools.
> I understand.  I assume you'll continue to supply source distributions.
Yes, absolutely.

> I don't want to dictate, but the situation is what it is. If you've
> followed this thread, I hope you can appreciate the quandary we're in.

No problem.  It's actually been a helpful discussion.  I'm glad I joined 
the mailing list and appreciate your feedback.

*Randy Syring*
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and forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36 ESV)/

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