[Distutils] PEP470, backward compat is a ...

Donald Stufft donald at stufft.io
Sat May 17 16:33:51 CEST 2014


On May 17, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Donald Stufft <donald at stufft.io> wrote:

> 
> On May 16, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Carl Meyer <carl at oddbird.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> Basically, I think some acknowledgment of this problem of packages
>>>> without active maintainers (and ideally a proposed solution to it)
>>>> should be in PEP 470.
>>> 
>>> Right now the PEP's (and my) position is that it breaks because I believe that
>>> the impact of this change is being overblown. I'm attempting to gather more
>>> data now.
>> 
>> You could be right. More data would certainly be good.
>> 
>> Thanks for all your work on all this stuff!
>> 
>> Carl
> 
> So I’ve went ahead and processed the data. I did this by taking the list of projects which *only* host externally, either safely or unsafely. This ended up being a little over 1700 projects. After that I took the log file from PyPI for 2014-05-14 and looked for any hits on their simple page by pip or setuptools. I only looked for these two in order to exclude mirroring clients and the like.
> 
> The end result is that 339 projects have any hits at all, ~1400 projects did not receive any hits to their simple page in that time at all. A handful of projects received significant hits, with PIL being an obvious outlier that received ~72k.
> 
> Here are the list of projects that received any hits to their simple page which are hosted completely off of PyPI:
> 
>    https://gist.github.com/dstufft/5ebfb0d7e53194e5f89e
> 
> I feel that this validates my assumption that the vast bulk of these external projects are vestigial.
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Hmm, scratch this. these numbers may be wrong. I’m going through and spot checking them and something seems off. Will re-evaluate.

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