[Distutils] Time for a setuptools_lite??

Ronny Pfannschmidt opensource at ronnypfannschmidt.de
Wed Oct 21 15:23:22 EDT 2015

i would very strongly suggest to completely avoid distutils as base for
a new tool
being based on distutils is one of the main reasons why setuptools is so
painful to develop/maintain,
its always a huge mental cost and pain to work into that huge pile of
historic spaghetti

and its even more pain to come up with useful tests

-- Ronny

On 10/21/2015 09:05 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Ronny Pfannschmidt
> <opensource at ronnypfannschmidt.de
> <mailto:opensource at ronnypfannschmidt.de>> wrote:
>     why does that have to be in setuptools ?!
> it doesn't have to be in setuptools at all -- I suppose I should have
> defined more clearly what I meant:
> setuptools_lite would be a package that does all things that
> setuptools does that we currently think it *should* do -- and nothing
> else.
> whether it's in setuptools as a special mode, forked from setuptools,
> or written from scratch is all implementation detail.
> perhaps it would be better with a different name -- maybe "buildtools"?
> But I thought for acceptance by the community, maybe saying: 
> replace all your "import setuptools" with "import setuptool_lite"
> would be clear what the intent was -- i.e. not YET ANOTHER brand new
> build system...
> Oh and it would use the same API for the parts that it still
> supported. Given all that, if I were to do it, and I'm not sure I
> can... I would probably start with setuptools and rip stuff out rather
> than start from scratch.
>     and both distutils and setuptools are very very sub-par
> well, see the other discussion about the role / necessity of
> distutils... but yes, it's certainly possible to make a new build
> system completely independent of distutils.
> -CHB
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