[Distutils] If you want wheel to be successful, provide a build server.

[Daniel Holth]

Maybe there could be a way to say "the most recent release that has a wheel
for my platform". That would help with the problem of binaries not being
available concurrently with a new source distribution.

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:21 PM Matthew Brett <matthew.brett at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 26 May 2016 at 01:11, Thomas Güttler <guettliml at thomas-guettler.de>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 25.05.2016 um 15:52 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
> >>>
> >>> On 25 May 2016 at 17:13, Thomas Güttler <guettliml at thomas-guettler.de>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> If you want wheel to be successful, **provide a build server**.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thomas, aside from that statement being demonstrably untrue (since the
> >>> wheel format has already proven to be wildly successful, even with
> >>> developers coping with Linux ABI fragmentation), an attitude of "give
> >>> me more free stuff, or your project will fail" is not an acceptable
> >>> tone to adopt on this list.
> >>>
> >>> The contributors here are (mainly) volunteers working on
> >>> infrastructure provided by a public interest charity, not your
> >>> personal servants to be ordered about as you feel inclined.
> >>
> >> You seem to be angry. Why?
> >
> > Thomas, I am pointing out that your current exhibition of entitled
> > behaviour across multiple venues (as represented by the specific
> > sentence I quoted) is problematic. Please stop trying to crack the
> > whip and generate an artificial sense of urgency - software
> > publication and distribution is a complex problem, and most of the
> > current challenges in the PyPI ecosystem stem from an ongoing lack of
> > funding which requires organisational change moreso than technical
> > change. While various folks are working on that, it's mostly not a
> > distutils-sig level problem, but rather a question for the PSF and for
> > commercial Python redistributors.
> >
> > If you're looking to provide information, or ask if a particular
> > solution that seems obvious to you would be feasible in practice, then
> > do that. The one thing I am asking you to STOP doing is combining your
> > questions with exaggerated hyperbole that's designed to make
> > volunteers feel bad.
>
> I just wanted to make sure that we didn't lose out on starting a
> discussion of this problem.
>
> The problem is of course caused by the runaway success of the wheel
> format, and I'm sure it can be solved in a sensible way, but however
> expressed, it's true that wheels have become so standard that we do
> need to think about automation for build and release, if we aren't
> going run into trouble.   By trouble, I mean that users will often hit
> the situation where they don't get wheels when they expect to, and get
> turned off pypi / wheels as a result.  I have personally put a great
> deal of work into building and releasing wheels, so that is something
> I'd really like to avoid.
>
> So - can I humbly ask - what is the best way to get that discussion going?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew
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