[Distutils] PEP 517: Build frontend responsibilities

[xoviat]

Also, I disagree with this point. I think it's still possible (and in fact
preferable) to have setuptools and pip 'test this out' with appropriate
fallbacks before opening this up to the wider community. Most people
wouldn't even notice because they wouldn't be using HEAD.

2017-08-18 15:28 GMT-04:00 Thomas Kluyver <thomas at kluyver.me.uk>:

> I wouldn't expect established tools like pip & setuptools to accept pull
> requests implementing a PEP which is still under discussion and subject to
> change. They will naturally want a stable, accepted spec before they
> consider merging code for it.
>
> We've probably all wished that the discussion could be brought to a swift
> conclusion. But there are real questions to work out, and people have many
> other things to pay attention to. I'm frustrated by how long it's taking as
> well, but there's no magic button anyone can press to make it go quickly.
>
> Thomas
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> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017, at 08:17 PM, xoviat wrote:
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> At this point, I can only offer implementations as I have been attempting
> to do (some of which are outdated because the PEP has changed), but I
> cannot make anyone pay attention to or accept my pull requests and it seems
> I cannot accelerate the discussion here.
>
> 2017-08-18 14:08 GMT-05:00 xoviat <xoviat at gmail.com>:
>
> I have attempted to implement prototype machinery here
> <https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/4589> and here
> <https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/pull/1039>, but it's been widely
> ignored IHMO because as Thomas said, the spec keeps changing.
>
> 2017-08-18 12:37 GMT-05:00 Thomas Kluyver <thomas at kluyver.me.uk>:
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> There's prototype machinery to call the hooks here, though it's outdated
> because the spec keeps changing:
> https://github.com/takluyver/pep517
>
> There's a prototype backend in a branch of flit, but it's even more
> outdated:
> https://github.com/takluyver/flit/tree/toml-config
>
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> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017, at 06:27 PM, Daniel Holth wrote:
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> Apart from the issues, can we get some prototype implementations?
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> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 13:24 xoviat <xoviat at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thomas:
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> What are the specific issues that need to be worked out?
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> Regards,
>
>
> xoviat
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> 2017-08-18 3:09 GMT-05:00 Thomas Kluyver <thomas at kluyver.me.uk>:
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> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017, at 07:09 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> > The other aspect I'm not clear on is whether or not both PEP authors
> > are otherwise happy for the current version to be *considered* for
> > acceptance
>
> Nathaniel has mentioned to me a list of issues he sees that we still
> need to work through. So I think we're going to be working on this for a
> while yet.
>
> Thomas
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