[Distutils] Fwd: Re: PEP 517 again

[xoviat]

>  I don't recall you having said "we do sdist->wheel then fall back to
requesting wheels directly"

You're correct. I did not say that because build_sdist is required.

2017-08-24 10:21 GMT-05:00 Paul Moore <p.f.moore at gmail.com>:

> On 24 August 2017 at 16:15, xoviat <xoviat at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 2. I'm not completely clear on how pip's implementation will work - I
> > think the intention is to always build a sdist and build a wheel from
> > that, unless the backend reports it can't build a sdist, in which case
> > we ask it to build a wheel directly.
> >
> > This was the exact process that I proposed, but was told that:
> >
> >
> >> I agree that the way you want to do packaging is fundamentally
> >> incompatible
> > with build systems that do not resemble distutils. Perhaps since this is
> > distutils sig some here are too used to distutils as the only model of
> how
> > packaging might work. Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself
> do
> > not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss
> > gazes also into you.
>
> That wasn't me that said that.
>
> > There seems to be some miscommunication about the actual process being
> > proposed.
>
> Possibly - or there's some confusion about what you're proposing. I
> certainly have found your suggestions difficult to follow, and I don't
> recall you having said "we do sdist->wheel then fall back to
> requesting wheels directly". I also don't see how that's incompatible
> with systems that don't resemble distutils, so I suspect that whoever
> you quoted (which I think might have been Daniel) understood whatever
> you did say to mean something different.
>
> I know Daniel has been involved in the discussion and I don't think
> he's raised any such objection about the PEP (and he developed
> enscons, so he has direct experience of writing backends).
>
> Paul
>
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