[Distutils] PEP 517 again

xoviat xoviat at gmail.com
Fri Aug 25 15:31:18 EDT 2017

Do you mean in addition to the two lines proposed here? I envision the
typical use case as attempting to do something that is required to build an
sdist deep inside the backend, discovering that it cannot be done, and then
raising the proposed exception. That's (other than the two lines for the
exception, which can put in Python later) shorter than catching some custom
exception in the hook and then returning NotImplemented as a result. If you
don't use exceptions, you'll probably need to unwind the stack manually
with return values.

2017-08-25 14:25 GMT-05:00 Donald Stufft <donald at stufft.io>:

> It's silly to require every backend to write code to guard against
> possible issues when we can structure the API to prevent those issues.
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 25, 2017, at 3:04 PM, xoviat <xoviat at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Nick that exceptions are the way to do things in Python and
> with Donald that in general, Python's use of exceptions has caused
> problems. But I don't think that this forum is the correct place to discuss
> Python conventions, and so I would ordinarily say that we should just
> accept that there will be problems and use the NotImplementedError,
> assuming that "solution" doesn't cause a firestorm that delays acceptance
> for a significant period of time. The reasoning behind this is that Python
> has in general adopted this approach (Nick is right that they would have
> used NotImplementedError for binary operations except for performance
> issues) even with its problems.
> However, another solution was dismissed without much thought: using the
> "UnsupportedOperation" exception. We could for now simply require an extra
> two lines in all backends:
> class DistutilsUnsupportedOperation(RuntimeError):
>     pass
> and then put UnsupportedOperation in the "distutils" library in 3.7, with
> an eventual move to that. It's not pretty but there have been plenty of
> hacks for backwards compatibility so far (it's rare to see a project
> without some sort of compat.py file).
> 2017-08-25 13:34 GMT-05:00 Donald Stufft <donald at stufft.io>:
>> The thing being bubbled up is a backend accidentally calling an API that
>> has yet to be implemented (an error that should be reported) being bubbled
>> up and erroneously handled as the backend reporting it doesn't support
>> making a sdist (not an error, son no traceback).
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > On Aug 25, 2017, at 2:23 PM, Paul Moore <p.f.moore at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > There's little or no opportunity here for letting exceptions bubble up
>> > to the user, or passing complex data back to the frontend. Ultimately,
>> > it's pretty much immaterial which form of reporting is used.
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