[Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

xoviat xoviat at gmail.com
Fri Aug 25 20:46:07 EDT 2017

I personally do not understand the aversion to YAML. I mean yes, the
specification is more complicated, but it's also more popular and the YAML
files will not be complex enough for a C library to help that much. And
since it's more popular, people might even prefer specifying package
metadata in a pyproject.yaml. pip could even cache a wheel of the pyyaml
package between builds that could be imported at build time with a
zipimporter rather than vendoring the package. And as a plus it's not named
after an alleged sexist.

Honestly this is not an issue that interests me very much but this rant is
because I was surprised that toml was chosen when I first found out about

2017-08-25 18:16 GMT-05:00 Nathaniel Smith <njs at pobox.com>:

> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org> wrote:
> > (The
> > community around it is sensitive to gender diversity issues and
> > wants to avoid acquiring more of a "brogrammer" image, so some of us
> > worry that any conspicuous TOML files checked into revision control
> > repositories could be seen as a tacit endorsement of the author's
> > alleged behavior at GH a few years ago.)
> I was one of the folks championing TOML during the original
> discussions, and this is an issue that also worried me a lot. In case
> it's a useful data point: I actually contacted several of the main
> rust/cargo developers, since they were the major users of TOML and are
> also well known to be sensitive to these issues, to ask if they've had
> any issues with this, and they said that they haven't heard any
> complaints.
> Obviously there's a difference between "no-one complained" and "no-one
> was bothered", and I suspect the community's existing reputation may
> affect how this is interpreted as well, but... maybe useful as a data
> point.
> Between this and the way the TOML spec appears to have been abandoned
> at v0.4 (with the admonition "you should assume that is is unstable
> and act accordingly") I've wondered if we should fork it, rename it
> "the obvious minimal language", and release our own 1.0.
> -n
> --
> Nathaniel J. Smith -- https://vorpus.org
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