[Distutils] latest setuptools appears to require six in a breaking way

Donald Stufft donald at stufft.io
Wed Jan 25 19:52:13 EST 2017

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Eric Brunson <brunson at brunson.com> wrote:
> It wasn't until recently the I realized how quickly releases to setuptools and pip are being made, starting back in mid Dec when much of our dependency resolution started failing.  There were three releases in the past two days.  Four major and 22 minor releases in the past two months.  While I applaud the speed of development and the improvement in these tools, don't you feel that breaking changes should be advertised better before release or perhaps we should slow down the cadence for release?
> I think an expectation that every setuptools user in the community start their day by checking to see if there was a release in the past 24 hours is a little unreasonable.  I've spent a dozen hours since 32.0.0 resolving breakage in my own projects and assisting other developers in my org with their setuptools issues, all the while pushing setuptools as the best practice to do development and distribution.  Is this period of breaking changes a short term thing that we just have to tough out for a few more weeks?
> Thanks,
> e.

I don’t believe that pip is really releasing that quickly. We generally make 1-2 “major” versions a year that include breaking changes, 2-4 “minor” releases a year that add new features, and 6-10 patch releases that fix bugs. To me that feels like a pretty decent pace of balancing not breaking people and getting new changes into people’s hands and getting rid of broken or less optimal parts of the code.

Now, setuptools is releasing faster than pip is and whether that’s a good thing or not I don’t know. That’s a question for Jason largely :)

Donald Stufft

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