[Distutils] Improving Communication

[Wes Turner]

On Saturday, April 21, 2018, James Bennett <ubernostrum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pulling in a sort-of success story from another large project, I like the
> general way things happen in Django.
>
> For developers proposing an idea or fixing a bug:
>
> * There's IRC (#django-dev) for quick, synchronous-ish discussion, useful
> for someone to find a sounding board for an idea
>

#pypa (Freenode manages these)


> * There's a dev mailing list where proposals can be discussed a bit more
> formally
>

https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig (still not sure who
volunteered to manage these)

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/pypa-dev (or this)


> * There's the public ticket tracker as a place to follow work being done
>

https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/issues
https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues
https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues
https://github.com/pypa/twine/issues
https://github.com/pypa/virtualenv/issues

https://github.com/pypa/packaging-problems/issues



>
> And for users seeking help or general discussion:
>
> * There's IRC (#django) and a users mailing list
>

GitHub.com/pypa/<project>/new
  label: Question

#pypa
distutils-sig


> * There's an official-ish subreddit moderated by committers
> * And there's the rest of the internet, including Stack Overflow, which we
> can't moderate but which many experienced people in the community do pay
> attention to
>

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/pip
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/pypi
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/virtualenv
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python-packaging

Thanks to the people who host and handle these questions.


> We've avoided using GitHub issues for Django, preferring the workflow
> tools we get from our own customized Trac instance.
>
> I wonder whether something similar -- a real-time chat for
> discussion/sounding board/etc., mailing list to bring things to once
> they've been thought about a bit, public tracker for following
> work/archival purposes -- would work for packaging.
>

Should there, in addition to #pypa IRC and gitter, be a zulip topic (?) for
pypa?

AFAIU, Zulip started at Dropbox, is written in Python, supports boots, and
is functionally similar to Slack, Gitter, and MatterMost?


>
> (I am also wary of too much "process"; Django has a fair bit, and more
> than I'd ideally like, but my experience has been that process and
> participation are generally inversely correlated)
>

Better yet, fork and send a pull request (PR)?
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