[Distutils] This list will soon be migrating to Mailman 3

Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com
Sat Apr 28 00:19:23 EDT 2018

On 24 April 2018 at 00:05, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm currently planning to send the migration request to
> postmaster at python.org later this week (probably Thursday evening), but
> don't have an ETA for how long the actual migration may take after
> that (as I believe distutils-sig will be one of the larger python.org
> list migrations undertaken so far).

The list migration to Mailman 3 has now been requested, and is expected to
start around 1600 UTC, Sunday April 29th. Mark Sapiro will be handling the
migration for us (Thank you, Mark!).

This will be Sunday morning for the Americas and eastern Pacific, Sunday
afternoon for Europe and Africa, and then trending on towards late Sunday
night/early Monday morning for Asia and Oceania.

The migration is expected to take an hour or two, and during that time,
mails to the list may not go through, and any settings changes through the
website may not get included in the migration.

For folks that missed the original notice of the change, I've included the
details below:

> 1. If you only ever access the mailing list via email, and never
> tinker with your subscription settings or look up threads in the list
> archives, then you shouldn't notice any real changes other than some
> of the headers on mails from the list changing a bit (such as the new
> Archived-At header appearing on each message).
> 2. If you do use the website to change your subscription settings or
> look up threads in the list archives, or have wished you had a more
> web-forum-like interface for accessing the list, then the rest of this
> email is likely to be of interest :)
> == Changes to subscription management (and list moderation) ==
> Mailman 3 relies on a more conventional user account management model
> than the historically list-centric model in Mailman 2. This means that
> either before or after the migration, folks that want to modify their
> subscription settings will need to go to https://mail.python.org/mm3/
> and register for an account.
> If you use GitLab, GitHub, Google, or Facebook, then you can go
> straight to https://mail.python.org/mm3/accounts/login/, select one of
> those options, and grant the required access to look up your email
> address. (At least for GitHub, the request will come from Mark
> Sapiro's developer key, and I believe that's the case for the other
> services as well)
> If your address on the linked service matches your subscription
> address, then you're done. If it doesn't match, then you can head to
> https://mail.python.org/mm3/accounts/email/ to register more addresses
> (and hence link any related subscriptions to your account).
> If you don't use any of those services, or simply don't want to use
> them with mail.python.org, then head to
> https://mail.python.org/mm3/accounts/signup/ to create a conventional
> username-and-password based account.
> Regardless of how you sign up, the primary authentication mechanism is
> access to the relevant email address - the old MM2 plain text email
> password isn't used at all.
> After the migration, the current
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig URL will
> automatically redirect to
> https://mail.python.org/mm3/mailman3/lists/distutils-sig.python.org/
> For a working example of what that will look like, see
> https://mail.python.org/mm3/mailman3/lists/core-workflow.python.org/
> == Changes to list archiving (and the native web gateway) ==
> After the migration, the current list archive at
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/distutils-sig/ will remain in place
> in order to preserve existing links, but will no longer be updated
> with new messages. That page will also be updated with a link to the
> new archiver/web gateway page.
> That page will be at
> https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/distutils-sig@python.org/,
> and not only features stable and predictable URLs for each post, but
> also includes a native web gateway, allowing folks to both create new
> threads and reply to existing ones using the web page, without needing
> to explicitly subscribe to the list first.
> Again, core-workflow provides an example of what that will look like
> in practice, with the new archive at
> https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/core-workflow@python.org/,
> and the post-migration legacy archive at
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/core-workflow/.


Nick Coghlan   |   ncoghlan at gmail.com   |   Brisbane, Australia
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