[Python Edinburgh] Potential Talk: Deep-Dive Into Python Classes

Graeme Urquhart g.urkhart at gmail.com
Thu Nov 11 16:41:21 CET 2010

Hey guys,

All sounds good to me. I'll certainly lend my ears!

On 10 November 2010 11:30, Mark Smith <bedmondmark at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> (I've copied this conversation back into edinburgh at python.org)
> Good list! I'd be especially interested in 'advanced django techniques' and
> 'automated deployment' and 'what's new in django 1.3'  Fancy coming up for a
> week?
> There's a corollary to the 'if you don't know why you'd need metaclasses
> then you don't need them', which is "most of the time, when you think you
> need metaclasses, you don't"
> :-)
> --Mark
> On 10 November 2010 10:35, Dougal Matthews <dougal85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Mark,
>> This certainly sounds good to me. Depending when it happens and if I can
>> come along is another matter.
>> I've got a few idea's for talks and would be quite interested in giving
>> one too. Topics including;
>> * advanced django techniques/tips
>> * automated deployment (fabric, chef, gunicorn, etc)
>> * redis (or general nosql)
>> * django internals and contributing back (or Contributing to django - an
>> outsiders view)
>> * class based views and how they are a game changer (or maybe a more
>> general "whats new in django 1.3")
>> ...and a few others. I've been pondering these with EuroPython in mind.
>> I don't think there is much need to cover class decorators. Meta-classes
>> are an interesting topic but don't really fit with the others and are rarely
>> needed. If you don't know why you'd need them, then you don't and all that
>> :)
>> Dougal
>> On Wednesday, 10 November 2010 at 09:55, Mark Smith wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I've had some ideas floating around in my head for a Python talk to give
>> some time. Would anybody be interested if I was to give a talk called
>> (provisionally) 'A deep-dive into Python classes'?
>> The kind of things I'm thinking of covering are:
>> * Understanding class attributes and instance attributes.
>> * How do methods actually work?
>> * Where does 'self' come from?
>> * Interesting tricks once you understand how methods work.
>> * How do 'classmethod' and 'staticmethod' work?
>> * The Python descriptor protocol, or 'how does @property work?'
>> I'm not planning to cover metaclasses or class decorators (although I
>> could...). I'd say the material is somewhere between intermediate and
>>  advanced, although I'd hope that anyone who came with an understanding of
>> object-orientation and the dynamic nature of Python would learn something
>> useful. Most of the stuff above has either given me useful idioms in the
>> past, or caused me problems when I was trying to be clever without a proper
>> understanding of the way object orientation works in Python.
>> I think it's good if talks are given in pairs, so if anyone else has
>> material for a talk (especially a different kind of talk!), then please do
>> let me know and we can start to talk timescales, etc.
>> --Mark
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