# [Edu-sig] Rational Division

Ka-Ping Yee ping@lfw.org
Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:52:57 -0800 (PST)

```On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Jeffrey Kunce wrote:

> Smalltalk has a subclass of "Number" called "Fraction". When you
> write 2/3 in Smalltalk, it actually stores the numerator and the
> denominator, and the whole roundoff question is moot. (Of course
> there is a protocol for mixed-mode arithmetic.)
>
> I taught Smalltalk to a number of programmers, and this was
> always a difficult feature. The "integer vs real" dichotomy is
> so engrained in the programming culture that it was hard to
> accept a different representation. Usually, once I reminded
> them about their high school algebra classes, and how they
> dealt with fractions in equations, the concept would fall
> into place.
>
> So, what does "E" think? Does 2/3==0 or does 2/3==1
> or does 2/3=0.66..67 or does 2/3==2/3? I'm not saying
> that "E" thinks of 2/3 as a rational fraction, but I think
> we ought to do some asking before we decide on
> something else.

In E, there are two operators for division:

2 / 3  yields  0.666666

2 _/ 3  yields  0

(See http://www.eright.org/elang/grammar/expr.html.)

Note that in the current Python, if a and b are integers and
f is the floating-point result of dividing a by b, then
a/b is *not* equal to int(f).  It's equal to math.floor(f).

int() truncates, always rounding towards zero (an abomination
in my opinion!), while floor() rounds down.

-9 / 10       yields    -1

9 / 10        yields     0

but

int(0.9)      yields     0

int(-0.9)     yields     0

floor(0.9)    yields     0.0

floor(-0.9)   yields    -1.0

-- ?!ng

I never dreamt that i would get to be
The creature that i always meant to be
But i thought, in spite of dreams,
You'd be sitting somewhere here with me.

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