[Edu-sig] PPP

[Steve Litt]

Jason,

Could you clarify exactly what you were saying? I don't know what you were
saying, but it sure sounded interesting. If one could merge programming
with song and verse, that would indeed be a cool thing.

By the way, that poem "Long Black Veil" the basis of the song "The Night
The Lights Went Out In Georgia". There's a certain similarity.

Steve


At 04:01 PM 10/9/00 -0400, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
>Well over lunch, I came up with a really crazy idea.
>
>I was reading 'A UML Pattern Language' and contemplating the question of
>poly-fix syntaxes -  ways  to engage spoken written and language with
>programming for everyone... Paul Evitts closes by quoting a short section=
 of
>T.S.Elliot ['Little Gidding', 'V']
>http://www.umlpatterns.com/sys-tmpl/door/
>
>-------------------------------------------
>What we call the beginning is often the end
>And to make an end is to make a beginning.
>The end is where we start from. And every phrase
>And sentence that is right
>... is an end and a beginning.
>...history is a pattern
>Of timeless moments.
>
>We shall not cease from exploration
>And the end of all our exploring
>Will be to arrive where we started
>And know the place for the first time.
>Through the unknown, remembered gate
>-------------------------------------------
>
>PPP =3D The Python Poetry Project
>
>How about translating this into Python?.....
>
>I know at first it seems like sacrilege, but why not?
>
>There are many 'famous' lines and songs and not-so famous ones also which
>might be great candidates for bridging heart and science.
>
>an eclectic test clich=E9 list might include:
>-Nursery rhymes
>-Star-Spangled Banner
>- Genesis 1 [compare alternate translations:
>http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?]
>-Hamlet - ["To be or not to be"]
>-Rap song <insert class favorite here>
>-Pop song <insert class favorite here>
>- Ballad http://theband.hiof.no/lyrics/long_black_veil.html
>-Proust [Madeleine meme]
>other poems
>http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/stevens-13ways.html
>
>
>How do you relate to the kids in the CP4E class who love and know music &
>literature..?
>How do help kids see the poetry in programming?
>
>True, this is a risky experiment and could backfire. On the other hand it
>could open up the idea of programming for everyone, and help to show how we
>are always programming, especially when we use language.
>
>your improvements most welcome
>
>-Jason
>________________________________________________________________
>Jason CUNLIFFE =3D NOMADICS['Interactive Art and=
 Technology'].DesignDirector
>
>PS.
>
>..the edited quote starts thus:
>
>V
>
>What we call the beginning is often the end
>And to make an end is to make a beginning.
>The end is where we start from. And every phrase
>And sentence that is right (where every word is at home,
>Taking its place to support the others,
>The word neither diffident nor ostentatious,
>An easy commerce of the old and the new,
>The common word exact without vulgarity,
>The formal word precise but not pedantic,
>The complete consort dancing together)
>Every phrase and every sentence is an end and a beginning,
>Every poem an epitaph. And any action
>Is a step to the block, to the fire, down the sea's throat
>Or to an illegible stone: and that is where we start.
>We die with the dying:
>See, they depart, and we go with them.
>We are born with the dead:
>See, they return, and bring us with them.
>The moment of the rose and the moment of the yew-tree
>Are of equal duration. A people without history
>Is not redeemed from time, for history is a pattern
>Of timeless moments. So, while the light fails
>On a winter's afternoon, in a secluded chapel
>History is now and England.
>With the drawing of this Love and the voice of this Calling
>
>We shall not cease from exploration
>And the end of all our exploring
>Will be to arrive where we started
>And know the place for the first time.
>Through the unknown, remembered gate.
>...
>
>In its entirety at
>http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bspajs/labyrinth/LittleGidd.html
>http://www.mindspring.com/~rrbarnes/poetry/gidding.html
>
>
>
>
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