[Edu-sig] RE: [Idle-dev] IDLE's save-before-run requirement

[Patrick K. O'Brien]

I can't give a whole lot of feedback except to say that I'd hate to see IDLE
abandoned. Maybe there needs to be an effort to get more people involved in
its upkeep. I'm copying this reply to the Edu and Tutor lists, because IDLE
comes up in conversations over there quite a bit. I think there might be
enough interest to motivate some folks. We certainly had things going when
we figured out how to get Python to respond to "help" in interactive
sessions. Maybe we could come up with a way to keep development of IDLE
moving along without the entire burden falling on Guido.

---
Patrick K. O'Brien
Orbtech
"I am, therefore I think."

-----Original Message-----
From: idle-dev-admin@python.org [mailto:idle-dev-admin@python.org]On Behalf
Of Wesley Chun
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:11 PM
To: idle-dev@python.org
Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE's save-before-run requirement

the subject of this message is basically to get some feedback on
having to save a script within IDLE before running it.  when i'm
making a good number of small changes to my file, doing separate
sets of keystrokes started to get old, so i hacked together a
small patch that allows you to "save-n-run."

i thought i'd get Guido's opinion b4submitting a PEP.  he suggested
i also get some more comments from here.  below is basically what i
proposed and his response.

please direct any comments to me (and/or the group).  thanks!

-wesley

> >    b4 i waste people's time by filing a PEP on IDLE,
> >    have you had any comments regarding having to save
> >    a file before being able to run it?  i find myself
> >    having to do multiple sets of keystrokes every time
> >    i make a small edit, so i just hacked up a new key
> >    binding that does a save-n-run (Shift-F5).  i fi-
> >    gure, if it's not a good idea, at least it would be
> >    a good exercise in the Tkinter chapter!  :-)
> >
> >    any thoughts?  anyway, here's a quick 1-line diff:
> >
> > ScriptBinding.py:
> >
> > 16a17,19
> > > - Save and Run module (Shift-F5) does the same but saves *and*
> > > executes the module's code in the __main__ namespace.
> > >
> > 41a45
> > >         '<<save-and-run-script>>': ['<Shift-F5>'],
> > 48a53
> > >                   ('Save & Run script', '<<save-and-run-script>>'),
> > 150a156,166
> > >     def save_and_run_script_event(self, event):
> > >         if not self.editwin.get_saved():
> > >             name = (self.editwin.short_title() or
> > >                     self.editwin.long_title() or
> > >                     "Untitled")
> > >           if name == 'Untitled':
> > >               self.editwin.io.save_as(event)
> > >           else:
> > >               self.editwin.io.save(event)
> > >       self.run_script_event(event)
>
> Nice patch.
>
> The problem is that IDLE development has virtually come to a halt -- I
> just can't find the time to work on it, and there are other good
> development environments available.  I have some ideas for reworking
> the whole save/run machinery, but no code; and I have working code
> that runs the program in a subprocess, but there's a security issue
> that makes me hesitant to check it in...
>
> I wouldn't create a PEP for IDLE -- just discuss your ideas on
> idle-sig.  Maybe enough people are interested to get me coding
> again, or to get someone else to volunteer...
>
> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)


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