[Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

Arthur ajsiegel at optonline.net
Sat Oct 8 22:31:53 CEST 2005

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Allison [mailto:chuck at freshsources.com]
> To: Arthur
> Cc: 'Kirby Urner'; 'David Handy'; 'Laura Creighton'; edu-sig at python.org
> Subject: Re[4]: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL
> Hello Arthur,
> Saturday, October 8, 2005, 1:25:44 PM, you wrote:
> A> I recently read Paul Graham's "Hackers and Painters"  - which was not
> the
> A> book I was expecting it to be.  It was more a book about business, and
> A> organization to do business - and less a book about programming. He
> talks
> A> unabashedly from his own frame of reference (good approach ;))- which
> A> happens to be the frame of reference of a talented programmer looking
> to use
> A> his talent to put himself beyond the clutches of financial insecurity.
> Which I think those of us on this list are.

Not all of us ;)

I know more about programming that about anyone I know in a day-to-day sort
of way.  I get paid to do development (having a decent grasp of database and
an excellent grasp of certain problem domains). I was recently pleased, and
a little surprised, when an IBM consultant working on a project at a client
where I am doing other development work came to pick my brain on something
and I was able to help him out.

But, no, I don't consider myself to be a talented programmer.

I in fact the consider myself the voice of the less than talented
programmer.  But don't think that is an inappropriate voice for this
particular list.

Though maybe the tone of voice of that particular voice could stand
adjustment, at times.


> A> He had much to say relevant to a few strains of this discussion (small
> A> business vs. large, affiliation vs., non-affiliation, etc.).
> A> But as much as I enjoy (and employ) the "personal frame of reference
> A> approach", the book is also a frustrating read on that account.
> A> Kind of like it's a 3 step approach:
> A> 1) Become a world class programmer..
> A> Thanks.
> A> Not too surprising I lost some focus when it came to the discussion of
> A> points 2 and 3.
> Ironically, my local reading group is reading that book *right now*. I
> loved Chapter 1, as it does expose a thing or two about our secondary
> educational environments.
> --
> Best regards,
>  Chuck

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