[Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland
ajsiegel at optonline.net
Fri Mar 10 21:46:01 CET 2006
kirby urner wrote:
>>We turn on the television and pictures appear and we are lost in the
>>pictures - the magic that is beyond our understanding or interest on
>>what is making them appear is suitably left as magic. *That's* the
>>fallacy that's going to bring us down, IMO.
>Yes, and I think Squeakland helps fight that "take it all for granted"
>mentality. Because you're in a cartoon-like space, and it it's *up to
>you* to make stuff happen (your the TV *producer* not just the
Please Kirby, I am talking physics, not cartoons. And as much as I
admire Mr. J. Moose - I try not to confuse the two things.
>>And the funny thing is I don't really disagree with him. Except that I
>>would express it a little differently - believing that the most profound
>>thing that computers will do for us is teach us what computers cannot do
>>for us. And I do think that is a profound lesson.
>Yes. Wittgenstein took the same approach to logic: yes it's true,
>but so is 0 = 0.
Not sure what you mean. If I sound like I am talking sematically, I
certainly don't mean to be. I am thinking literally and in terms of
practicalities, even if I am not successful in expressing it as such.
We count the roses in Shakespeares. Know the exact number. Now what?
Wittgenstein played a major role in the book I just finished.
"The Proof and Paradox of Kurt Godel" by Rebecca Goldstein.
Goldstein is a novelist with a heavy weight philosophy background.
Godel and Wittgenstein were not on contemporaries, but moved in the same
circles for a good part of these lives - The Vienna Circle. Goldstein
does a brilliant job of describing the nature of the problem they had
with each other. And yes it is wonderful to have a brilliant woman's
Also no question that Einstein and Godel were peers - just by the fact
they chose to spend so much of their timing hanging out with each other.
We all need folks to chat with ;)
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