[Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

[Arthur]

kirby urner wrote:

>>Please Kirby, I am talking physics, not cartoons.  And as much as I
>>admire Mr. J. Moose - I try not to confuse the two things.
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>Awwwww, you're no fun. [Roger Rabbit voice]
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>>>Yes.  Wittgenstein took the same approach to logic:  yes it's true,
>>>but so is 0 = 0.
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>>Not sure what you mean.  If I sound like I am talking sematically, I
>>certainly don't mean to be.  I am thinking literally and  in terms of
>>practicalities, even if I am not successful in expressing it as such.
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>>We count the roses in Shakespeares.  Know the exact number.  Now what?
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>That's some Old Europe stereotype of a computer.  All these threatened
>school dons, in front of a chalkboard, worried some big metal box down
>the hall will put them out of a job.
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Please.

It's a simplification, yes.  But absent some Kayian, intelligent agent, 
computer-human mind meld process, I don't think it is qualitatively 
wrong.  And, scientifically, I am at the moment very much absent the 
mind-meld unit.  What I think is true, but cannot prove, is that nothing 
will change about that, qualitatively - ever.

And what's worse for your side:

I have said to myself for some time that if I ever got the credit card 
swiped the right way around at  the checkout *the first time*, I would 
begin to take myself more seriously.

Just went to the supermarket to pick up a few things.

And guess what I did...

Art

>Update:  I want to make TV = I want to learn multi-track editing = I
>need a computer = if I learn to program, I'll be able to make even
>*better* TV -> [back to start of loop]
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>>"The Proof and Paradox of Kurt Godel"  by Rebecca Goldstein.
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>At least not the one where Witttgenstein gets menacing next to the
>fireplace.  Popperians read that like a ghost story, scare themselves,
>whisper about "mean old LW" to their children -- a boogey man.
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>>circles for a good part of these lives - The Vienna Circle.  Goldstein
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>Yeah, LW was born into money.  Was living a glam life as a courtly
>genius, then gave it all up to go to Oxford, to leave the ordinary
>world of Muggles and their ways and join up with Slytherin, headed by
>Bertrand Russell.  His Tractatus-Logico-Philosophicus (known as TLP by
>insiders) was his young knight-in-shining-armour debut (the women back
>in Vienna swooned), then he exited stage right and wasn't heard from
>in awhile. Then he returned (surprise!), this time to teach his
>Philosophical Investigations, his mysterious PI -- a dark art, with LW
>a hooded figure, all Darth Vadery and Jedi, with a penchant light
>sabers (er fire pokers).
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>>Also no question that Einstein and Godel were peers - just by the fact
>>they chose to spend so much of their timing hanging out with each other.
>>We all need folks to chat with ;)
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>>Art
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>Yeah, Princeton.  Those were the days.  Now they point to Fine Hall
>and say Einstein worked in Fine Hall, but maybe neglect to tell you
>Fine Hall moved to Fine Tower since Einstein's day, next to Jadwin. 
>When I was on campus, Einstein's office was part of Near Eastern
>Studies or something.
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>Anyway, I think Princeton is one of the few Ivy League schools to do
>math in a skyscraper (albeit not a very tall one -- tall enough).
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>True story:  at least one of my friends got help with calculus from
>that beautiful mind guy (this was pre the Nobel).  Nash'd materialize
>in the corridor, wearing sneakers of two colors, and flutter over to
>some wide-eyed scholar, living a dream.  Anyway, he new everything
>about calculus reportedly, and much else besides.
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>Kirby
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